[Zwei] New Unit Megathread

[hollow dust]

We are comparing zwein with dwife

Giving DMG zwein>Dwife

But Dwife is not only pierce DMG, she is also a bit of core DMG when attk parts and parts DMG when attack core

And the most important thing is CDR

Zwein needs a B2 CDR (for now, maybe in a future they add b0 CDR or B3)

[calm tusk]

the thing is one is cdr one isn't you really can't compare them

[hollow dust]

Yeah zwein rip

[calm tusk]

only thing working for her is feeing naga

[hollow dust]

But hey, another option to play if you really needs crown+Naga in p1

[calm tusk]

and letting us crown naga

[hollow dust]

Idk if recommend Tia zwein shelm Rh against iron weak solo raid

Only if crown+Naga +new DPS feature are too strong

Surpassing even tiga+Dwife rh

Well I was testing in shooting range so there are a lot of things to consider...

[dusk stump]

I guess this is a skip

[hollow dust]

Yeah, easy skip

[hushed talon]

If only Zwei was B2

But eh

[hollow dust]

Yeah she as B2 makes her must pull

[unique cradle]

If she was B2 she would never even be a consideration probably

For any team

[hushed talon]

[hot delta]

Does she work with ein?

Shouldnt she have two pony tails

[tardy pendant]

so

uh

1 copy is enough

[calm tusk]

might be more than necessary

[jagged agate]

wait

is Zwei a double shotgun?

so she has double the burst gen as normal?

[hushed talon]

Ein doesn't even have pierce

[jagged agate]

yeah, it looks like she has burst gen comparable to a clip SG, not a mag SG

[hollow dust]

Why not?

[unique cradle]

Crown
Naga
Blanc
S.rosanna
Leona
Heck, even Rem for RLs

DieselTr
s.Helm
Dolla

[hollow dust]

What if I want crown +naga in same team?

[unique cradle]

Marciana

[unique cradle]

Tia and what B1cdr will you use

For snowwhite

[hollow dust]

mmmmmm

[unique cradle]

Tia Miranda zwei can't be a thing

You'll need to spend volume or some shit here

[hollow dust]

I thought more in tia dwife zwein (if B2) rh

[unique cradle]

I don't think Rh takes this team lol

[hollow dust]

Naga too strong need nerf as support, she can't fucking break last qte waaaaaaa

[minor tulip]

How Zwei could be meta? Easy don't make her Elysion

[hollow dust]

Actually the real chef is syuen

[misty sierra]

Whoever taught Ingrid how to build nikkes is gonna be the game's final end villain.

[karmic beacon]

S Helm since SW is barely relevant outside of Iron raids anymore

SW doesn't get B1 CDR units

[fair rune]

the best part about Zwei is

she's a JK her shooting sound feels so sastifying

[unique cradle]

You had the usage tables right?

Can u share the sheet link in dms perhaps

[karmic beacon]

I haven't updated for this raid yet since it hasn't ended (will be adding late this evening/tomorrow). I can link, ye

[old needle]

No, she shoots twice but each gun only has 5 pellets each for the same 10 total pellets.

[past vigil]

her multiplier per pellet is actually the same as standard

despite having half the raw multis, it's per gun, so just about the same as standard

[old needle]

Ye

[jagged agate]

I went into practice mode and compared her to Naga and it seemed twice as fast

[past vigil]

naga is mag sg

compare with someone like viper

[old needle]

She has like 3.5%

[jagged agate]

Zwei is also mag

[past vigil]

dual wield mag, so it makes her a bit worse than clip sgs

[old needle]

She has higher burst gen values at 3.5% compared to normal sg at 2-2.5% but lower than clip which are like 4.5%

[jagged agate]

I was comparing with Maiden and they seemed pretty equal, but you have the numbers and I just have "time to fill burst bar"

[past vigil]

her dual guns don't let her trigger her s2 any faster either, only counts 1 gun

clip sgs are only slightly faster gen

problem is that pepper exists, so no room for zwei in pvp, pepper can snipe (highest atk snipe is better than a mini-maxwell snipe), and has higher burst gen

zwei is basically a standard mag shotgun with abnormal burst gen, very lame

[old needle]

She can buff alice or rh

[past vigil]

only really alice, rh can just buff herself

[feral yarrow]

Good to hear Zwei is shit cuz goddamn

Dual shotty pistols, just to turn her into a support char, DAFUQ?

[lunar dune]

Does zwei have a usage case as a burst 2 for snow white comps

or is it weaker than existing options

[old needle]

Shes b1

[lunar dune]

oh lol

so she doesn't even compare to like liter or waifu d

[night turret]

She's not that good, just skip

[stable blaze]

su just wont ever make elysion good

[night turret]

The only good ones we got are D wife and maid privaty

[hollow night]

So Zwei isn't even Mid? She's just shit?

[fossil ridge]

When you dual-wielding shotguns, generate burst as fast as it counts 2 hits per shot, but the buff only counts 1 hit per shot, you know someone is high when design you.

[tawny bough]

just read snake's post, sounds like a strong case for a wishlist unit especially with collabs and 2nd anniv looming. Having someone for Tia while Naga goes permanently to Crown sounds nice but more of a luxury

[past vigil]

only reason to consider her a wishlist unit is bc she's elysion, so low competition, if she was tetra she wouldn't even be wishlist-tier

[fossil ridge]

tetra? missilis is gonna build a wall around her

[past vigil]

missilis at least has very few units, so with some accounts she might squeeze in a spot, esp if a collecter

although the missilis units are pretty good, so if going for cores, she wouldn't have a spot either

[ornate lichen]

I tried Zwei out for a bit in Solo Raid, 4/4/4 with lvl5 T9Ms

Best impression I had was she lands all her shots on a big body like Mirror Container’s center mass

Next best impression was her personal damage was double of Crown’s personal damage (but hey, Crown’s a Defender…)

I think Zwei is probably okay to invest in and run with, just that she came too late to the scene

If it was 6 months ago, we’d be seeing her a lot I think

Now idk

Now, we’re anticipating a collab and an anniversary Pilgrim

I take it back

I forgot about shotguns having hit rate issues in wave stages

[hot delta]

Why everything elysion is shit

[past vigil]

elyshit

[old needle]

Elbussyion is the 3rd best nikke manufacturer in the ark tho.

[marble ledge]

i feel attacked by SU they made this skill bad/meh

[ornate lichen]

At least it’ll help Mast a bit

That’s a rare case of Elysion synergy

[balmy cedar]

is she worth one copy if you need someone with tia if you want to go crown/naga?

for like solo raid

[ornate lichen]

The word is no

You also probably won’t feel the desire to move Naga over to Crown if the fight is weak to anything other than Electric

Naga also doesn’t have a monopoly over healing for Crown

Marciana, Rapunzel, and idk who else

[balmy cedar]

ok ty

[hushed talon]

100% crit rate build let's gooooo

[brazen frost]

thanks to glass slippers needing one shot to kill, crit is now meta guys!

[lofty ore]

more like SR more than ever with how much SR mechanics were built in to that fight

dogshit designed boss

[brazen frost]

so zwei being the fastest burst gen for pvp is fake news?

[fair rune]

so fake

[hushed talon]

shouldn't have burned 40 pulls

[wheat heath]

should have been

[craggy owl]

and Pepper burst do wwwwwwaaaayyyy more damage

devs was drunk with that 150% atk burst man wtf

[fair rune]

yeah, if it's 100% due to dual gun => 300% then it's still shit but understandable

since she, eh, deals better dmg with a burst than normal attack

[unique cradle]

If you are competitive, there is definitely possible use cases for zwei

But you can just wishlist tbh

[echo elbow]

Is Zwei can work for Tia?

[south wind]

yes she can activate Tia's S1, but you need b2 cdr with the pair

[echo elbow]

So in case Naga is being used somewhere else, I can use Tia, Zwei, Dolla/SHelm. Interesting

[hollow dust]

#1270307034826539108 message

Especially against iron weak

If there is no core only parts that team works really well

[echo elbow]

I think DKW is too cracked for the 1st time

But thanks

Seems like a viable option

[hollow dust]

Take it these comps as examples not a perfect ones

Maybe they add better B2 CDR soon

Who knows

[echo elbow]

I'd prefer burst 3 cdr tho. That can heal too. So Sakura Rosa team could work

Doro, Rosa, Sakura, Privaty, b3cdrheal

[hollow dust]

[karmic beacon]

If we get a good B2 CDR unit, it's definitely a future possibility

but pulling a standard unit for hypothetical future situations isn't a great idea

[hot delta]

Zwei?

[calm tusk]

we pulled tove

[karmic beacon]

you did

I just let her spook me ~~and my alt is still suffering without her as a result ~~

[calm tusk]

I also pulled on leona

good old days of sg cope

[karmic beacon]

It took B Soda for me to believe

and B Soda did not let me down

[calm tusk]

funny thing is

[karmic beacon]

She carries the SG comp on her bountiful chest

[calm tusk]

bsoda can't be replaced so mpriv is on thin ice

[karmic beacon]

Yeah, Leona/M Priv probably boned unless Electric Raid

Problem with Zwei is that, unlike Tove, she doesn't have the potential to start a new comp

She's just a Tia activator

They can give us cover repair units at any point

[calm tusk]

they gave us like 3

in 2 years

I'm also skipping due to collab but man I'm scared

[karmic beacon]

Thankfully we'll see collab kits before Zwei banner ends

so anyone wanting to actually try for Zwei on her rate up can rest more easily

Up until now, collab units have always only been niche useful at best

[unique cradle]

if u skip zwei youll have to use miranda which is basically zwei anyways

so skip zwei

and sleep peacefully

zwei isnt gonna get u top 200

[karmic beacon]

Not now, at least

[unique cradle]

not ever

i dont think she has it in her

[karmic beacon]

I think if we got a DKW-style B2 CDR unit, we could see Tia/Zwei used in raids where RH is gimped

but that's the only situation I can think of

[calm tusk]

bunnies almost got kicked out this raid

if we get another half decent support package it might come true

and imagine if they make a b3 that fist sw

[unique cradle]

bunnies arent going anywhere from SR anytime soon

[karmic beacon]

Bunnies weren't even close to getting kicked out

They either were merged with SG comp again or put with RH and/or Scarlet for the most part. They were pretty important

Noir is still one of the only two B3s with 100% usage in top 50

even RH doesn't have 100% (because one madman managed to get top 50 vs Chatterbox without her)

[calm tusk]

half of the pure sg players kicked bunnies totally out

problem was doing pure sg was giga whale

[karmic beacon]

Uh no

Bunnies had 100% usage in top 50

Tove 93.3% and B Soda 91.7%

Leona 37.7%

Pure SG comp was not highly used compared to bunnies

X Lud, Modernia, and Maxwell, the units we most often put with bunnies, were the ones who took the hammer

[calm tusk]

I guess last day changed a lot

[karmic beacon]

Always does, yeah

[vagrant vapor]

You just reminded me I need to start investing in the SG comp

Ffs SU gives us more free sources of these

[silent kiln]

im still doubting sg

[night turret]

I'm pretty much good on my SG build

[hidden sluice]

lol why ? 3 raids in a row with sg team on top, SU must be cooking mechanics for new meta teams

[night turret]

Ikr, since both bunny soda and bunny alice really helped with the SG build, since we didn't have a reliable healer to put in that build, until we got BAlice

[silent kiln]

so much to build i don't want to start investing and then get fucked. = rem.

dont even use rem now for 3-4 raids

[hidden sluice]

you can start investing in tove then bsoda, since they are a backbone for this team and not getting replaced soon

[night turret]

Yea, since crown came out, rem got benched

[hidden sluice]

but it's your choice

[silent kiln]

with zwei, sw could be back in raid finally?

[night turret]

But yea, if you want to start on your SG build, you may work on Tove

[hidden sluice]

zwei is just like miranda, not much diff in terms of damage

[night turret]

Yep

[hidden sluice]

and you need cs on SW for crit buff if using her

[ornate lichen]

I haven't worked on B.Soda. I should...

[wheat heath]

Ok but hypothetically what if you didnt have the tove

[vagrant vapor]

Then get tove

Or don't use the sg team at all

Tove is the foundation of the team

Without tove B.Soda cannot effectively get her stacks back

[night turret]

Indeed, she's currently the best SG buffer

[jagged agate]

lul, my Liter is still only burst 9

[brazen frost]

so skip right? no hope as a sw supporter

[craggy owl]

not like no hope but can skip

[brazen frost]

just wanna see if she can replace miranda or sth

both 20s b1

[vagrant vapor]

She gives you more "consistent" SW runs, while Miranda in comparison would give you more damage but much more malding.

And we know with SW is either go big or go home

[brazen frost]

ah yes the crits

[craggy owl]

"consistent" run but you have to fire off SW in split second after full charge

kinda sus

imagine raids like Indivilia where overlapping part exists for a few frame so you had to do frame perfect full burst on top of frame perfecy release

[brazen frost]

thanks elysion for providing breaks

in pulling

[hushed talon]

https://youtu.be/JstnLVB1zaI?si=ja82wgTA3ZzecWYx

[fair rune]

btw

Zwei is x2 shot

so 29.95% lv 1 ~ 59.9% ATK

this boss is not pierceable, but she still has x2 dmg here

[south wind]

double guns double fun

[fair rune]

this is Alice

to prove that boss is not pierceable

so her burst peak should be 300% ATK

which is still shit

but well, she won't lose to 1 single attack anymore

[ornate lichen]

Tbh I rate her burst shot as being as bad as Summer Neon burst in practical application

I think they gave her that kind of burst just to make sure Zwei has a mediocre burst

[wheat heath]

cant you just tap fire it?

so you can go back to having low but better damage?

im probably being dumb and forgot something

[fair rune]

well

her burst takes 1.5s

which is 2 SG

so you exchange 400% ATK

for 300% ATK

but with full pierce buff

it should have slightly higher dmg than 2 SG (450%)

[hollow dust]

Anyway skip, gatrix

We must pilot the Eva gatrix

[marble ledge]

isnt that 3sg, fire rate = 1.5 per second = 0.5 per shot = 1.5s is 3 shots

also double checked her conversion should be x2 since theres 10 pellets but conversion text is for 5(1 of her 2 guns)

so 100.75*2*3=604.5%

excluding reloads

[fair rune]

0.5s

are you putting her with Tove?

[marble ledge]

thats just standard shotgun fire rate no?

1.5 shots per second

oh i guess it should be .75s

[fair rune]

I don't know what you are talking about, and I guess you don't know either

man, Tr... I mean I'm so savage

[marble ledge]

1.5 shots per second = .75seconds per shot = 1.5s for 2shots

y u no follow morning brain math

[hollow dust]

So must pull

[past vigil]

went and double checked... kosmiu is right

SG is closer to 0.75 sec per shot rather than 0.5 sec, in both pvp and pve

[past vigil]

doesn't that mean pvp burst gen charts are just wrong then? bc they still go off of SG shots being 0.5 sec per shot

[marble ledge]

idk that was based off NGA so i asume they had it right

and its worked so far

realistically the .5 timeline isnt exactly a .5

[karmic beacon]

Don't the SD models have different speeds than the Live2Ds? Or is that just Alice?

[marble ledge]

but more of a "it happens between 2 and 3"

cuz RLs iirc arent exactly 1s either its a weird thing

[past vigil]

oh yeah, RLs aren't 1 sec either, higher

RL is about 1.2 sec in pvp, SG is about 0.6 sec

so in context of 1RL = 1.2 sec, yeah the charts are fine

ugh this sucks, frame-based pvp speed when

[marble ledge]

when im not lazy and also figure out a good way to display jackal/scarlet feeding with it tbh

or some1 else can do it

was when i first made a sheet and considered doing it

frame calc would also mean potentially solving charge speed

[fair rune]

what makes you think

1 RL is 1s?

[past vigil]

I thought it was close enough that it's fine

[marble ledge]

tbf i blame this misconception in the community on shift up

[hollow dust]

[ornate lichen]

Silly people, thinking that 1 sec means 1 sec

[karmic beacon]

I mean, it's not wrong

Just doesn't take into consideration the time to go into/out of cover

[grave galleon]

RL is 1.3s

Or 1.4s

I dont remember

I think 1.4s

Ot 1.367s

The anim is 22 frames

[mild stump]

cuz animation?

[unique cradle]

.

[vagrant vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079397917435101247/1441258720226050281/doalert.gif

[errant creek]

Swear to Allah if zwei is the only one with good treasure imma kms

I got Moran and centi sr15 and privaty with just the tip (sr5)

guess who got no dolls no ol no skills

[marble ledge]

why did u upg before

[errant creek]

already had em sr15 for arena

i probably can sr15 one more so hoping for priv

[slow gulch]

I bet they just slap true damage to zwei so shes viable this month raid
Also for potential future ein buffer

[hushed talon]

Nah

They'll give her bigger Pierce multipliers

[thin blaze]

Ok, who invested Laplace, get your ass back here

[split root]

[woeful roost]

[hushed talon]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-eye-roll-annoyed-awkward-awkward-silence-gif-8519527199733944803

[hollow oxide]

Here for when Zwei gets good

[errant creek]

Here for when she gets declared dead again

[calm tusk]

I hope she dies in a ditch

[brazen frost]

[errant creek]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-dorowhip-gif-13339968757220517040

[hollow oxide]

Milk - Diesel - Frima - Viper - Poli

all absolutely brainDead treasures

[errant creek]

diesel is funny in PvP sometimes

[unique cradle]

3 -> 2 -> 1

[karmic beacon]

78.63% crit on whole team

130% pierce damage buff

No cdr still puts her in a weird place, and SU hates pierce usually

[slow gulch]

You count the base 15%?

[hollow oxide]

presumably yes

[karmic beacon]

Yup

Hence the "on" rather than "for"

[hollow oxide]

gotta leave some room for OL
i guess

[slow gulch]

Hmm I guess with sw s2 she can guaranteed with her

[hollow oxide]

doesnt look anything fancy tho

[slow gulch]

Lmao lvl7 s2 sw skill are 22% crit rate

[hollow oxide]

not even giving her CDR

[slow gulch]

Ok thats a nice stop

[karmic beacon]

Also the crit rate change from 5s to 10s

Means SW doesn't have to worry about charge speed

Don't need CDR with S Helm existing

[slow gulch]

Sw s2 can make it guaranteed too I guess its fine

[karmic beacon]

Also better for SWHA

Get crit rate OLs and basically watch all of SWHA's missiles crit forever

[waxen galleon]

Hmmm... ZweiT will work with Nayuta regardless of att OL, since all allies get that one round crit buff?

[slow gulch]

Thats true
Nayuta need about 22% crit from somewhere tho

[waxen galleon]

oh wait, it's just the pierce dmg up is for one round but not crit rate buff

[rotund zenith]

sadge SU didn't make Zwei re enter b1

[grim condor]

So, how good is Zweig?

[blazing galleon]

Is SW s2 crit rate proccing when she starts her charge in fb? It says "when attacking during fb" so I assume it does

[marble ledge]

u have to wait for a missile

to hit the dumb boss

@blazing galleon

[blazing galleon]

Fml why SU

[split root]

any other use cases for her besides just being dedicated og sw buffer

can only think of one other infinite ammo piercer and it's grave

[woeful roost]

who

was it

[unique cradle]

Kindly wait for the update to actually arrive

[woeful roost]

[main hound]

so she's ass still? or this is the original kit?

[unique cradle]

Well she's not ass

She's BiS milk and redhood

Idk about the others

[main hound]

80 pierce damage with 33 critrate but no cdr... idk...

[karmic beacon]

Look at how it stacks

It's +130% pierce damage with +63% crit

[main hound]

but pierce so dead, idk if that's enough

[main hound]

My pierce team does like 1B in raid with Liter/Grave/Alice/RH/support... while other teams do at least 2B, shotgun 3B...

so I need Liter's atk and cdr on top of 200% pierce damage to keep up with other teams 💀

[teal quartz]

Zwei > Miranda

[woeful roost]

[lofty ore]

[marble ledge]

can u do again with grave/bade

also is that shooting range?

core vs part would skew towards crit

cuz core shot crit is worth less than crit on 1part+body shot

[teal quartz]

Ultra AI

[marble ledge]

ah

pretty good then

how does it look with grave/bade?

different buff numbers on b2 (usual sr b2)

[marble ledge]

still better

+maxwell gain

[teal quartz]

you dont have to do jiggle Miranda buff with holdover

[marble ledge]

yea

[teal quartz]

so long fight it will be more better

And Zwei can do some sustain strat

@marble ledge atk dmg and pierce dmg same multiplier ?

[slow gulch]

Its same
Only dist damage are diff

[marble ledge]

yes

[teal quartz]

With Zwei maybe can replace Grave

[versed grotto]

zwei gives 63% crit rate right? is that + sw own crit rate enough for 100%?

[marble ledge]

dmg taken up time?

[teal quartz]

atk or dmg taken

[marble ledge]

whos big atk

brid?

[teal quartz]

that's too low

[marble ledge]

bade?

[unique cradle]

With who though

Bade also give atk damage

[teal quartz]

im thinking

[unique cradle]

Crown Nayuta SRosanna

These 3 are only ones

That are 20s b2

[teal quartz]

Mast?

[marble ledge]

wat if u go crazy

right

[teal quartz]

OG Mast

[marble ledge]

zwei offburst

[teal quartz]

yeah

[marble ledge]

shelm burst with miranda or atk b1

90% pierce dmg offburst

prob miranda right cuz u lose crit?

i guess thats about the same as grave

with less gen

[unique cradle]

Miranda SHelm sw b3 zwei

Crazy team ngl

[teal quartz]

let me try

seem not that really good

Brid is even worse than Grave

BAde it is

Currently Miranda gives highest

But have to wait until challenge mode

Miranda > BAde > Grave > XBrid

SW really needs atk buff

@marble ledge

[marble ledge]

[teal quartz]

Also Zwei unlock the OL limit between SW MW

SW now can go really high atk on OL without worrying about MW

[lethal wharf]

MW?

[viscid stirrup]

Maxwell

[hollow oxide]

motherwhale

[viscid stirrup]

So shes good in general for any piercer not just single shot

[calm tusk]

Did sky nuke the Nike chat ?

[split root]

it is time for laplace to shine

[viscid stirrup]

Well laplace just got a friend in takina and frima has always been there

Also with how fast laplace ticks she gets a lot less value from zwei

[calm tusk]

Can you also do the same team but MirandaT

[viscid stirrup]

So yea zwei should handily beat her at 10/10/10

[calm tusk]

Hmm, after moran I can get her I guess. Unless someone proves that priv is good. I'm not convinced

And tyvm for the test

[marble ledge]

a large amount of lap should also be from the procs

rather than full pierce like max/rh

[viscid stirrup]

Skipping 2 bursts for selegg on both

Priv skip bottom, helm skip top

[calm tusk]

is that even good tho

Are we that desperate in water

[viscid stirrup]

Definitely good enough to have a spot somewhere in water SR

[ornate latch]

Can you test SG team replacing Drake?

[marble ledge]

beats guillo/phantom

surely

[viscid stirrup]

I mean sure but if u run zwei u cant run cdr

So u either run bsoda or cope no cdr

[ornate latch]

Thought this was the priv thread

[calm tusk]

Lmao

[ornate latch]

If you have Priv, try: Tove, Grave?, sDoro, Priv, Soline vs Drake

[calm tusk]

is this the cope iron SG team

Wait zwei is elec nvm

[viscid stirrup]

I dont have priv treasure

[viscid stirrup]

60ed 7/7/7 julia hol up

this for comparison

[left stag]

Liter on Priv?

Liter add max ammo yknow

[viscid stirrup]

well it isnt my test

but liter boosts helm and elegg quite a bit since they have frontloaded damage so its still better to run her than someone else

[grave galleon]

PRIV first

Offburst god

Some teams want her

[ornate lichen]

og Dorothy gets a second lease off the bench?

[grave galleon]

Leona gives crit rate.

[ornate lichen]

And why are my sentence ending emojis being deleted

[grave galleon]

Idk if Helm's crit buff affects SW's shot.

Can anyone test?

Its technically normal attack but 1 shot.

Helm may become the better pairing now

[teal quartz]

[grave galleon]

Best comp is ZweiTr SHelm SW Maxwell MastM

PrivTr will take MastM slot in Crown

Nvm someone test her

[hot delta]

is zwei good

i guess not

[karmic beacon]

She is for pierce units only

[hollow oxide]

only for SW

[viscid stirrup]

Shes better than liter/dkw/miranda for RH as well if ur willing to use shelm on the same team, so for pierce bosses in UR

[woeful roost]

Midhood

[viscid stirrup]

Midhood only needs pierce ro equal or outperform rapi so on bosses like iron math or stormbringer she isnt mid anymore

[calm tusk]

point me the boss who had a long pierce uptime

[marble ledge]

ultra

[viscid stirrup]

Just listed 2 as well

[calm tusk]

iron math and stormbringer xdd

is that what once in a year

[viscid stirrup]

We had strombringer in December

like once every 3 months shift up throws a bone at pierce

[grave galleon]

ZweiTr Dolla MiharaBC Maxwell MastM

ZweiTr Dolla SWHA Maxwell MastM

SW variant

Wait

MirandaTr Dolla MiharaBC Maxwell ZweiTr might be better

no guaranteed crit though

[karmic beacon]

[grave galleon]

Zwei needs to burst for crit rate

I have been fooled

[karmic beacon]

Yup

Was about to say

Volume is useless if she doesn't burst, but Zwei needs to burst for full buffs

[grave galleon]

ZweiTr Dolla MiharaBC Maxwell MastM vs ZweiTr Nayuta MiharaBC HelmTr CDR

waiting for one lost player to test these

I think MastM better

but zero heals

It will be Siren Crown RRH HelmTr PrivTr

and this comp

MastM grants super nice buffs

ZweiTr Leona Doropity is worth exploring too

ZweiTr Leona Doropity DrakeTr SolineFT best water weak?

Bruh

ZweiTr is so strong

Any one who has Zweei other than Shinononono

ZweiTr Dolla MiharaBC Maxwell MastM
ZweiTr Leona Doropity DrakeTr SolineFT

Kindly test these two.

Thank you.

SU cooked.

[viscid stirrup]

I would test but I dont have enough mats to lv10 s2

So no 100% crit

[grave galleon]

You got ADa's use rate

[karmic beacon]

I have all units' usage rates

60.75% average across all raids she's been in so far

Maxwell/Helm used for Miranda/Nayuta comp, so Ada lost her seat

Ada most likely had much higher usage below top 50 in Only One due to her being significantly safer than the alternatives used for max damage ceiling; the top scores used Maxwell, X Ludmilla, or X Guillo

[grave galleon]

Did not work

sad

But someone tested with Phase 2

[grave galleon]

Hmm

I dont think Ada has a place in Wind weak

She does have a place everywehre else

considering SS for now but also Maxwell

Maxwell S*

The only element where Ada doesnt see use is Wind

but S rank is fair since she is an enabler

important one though

[grave galleon]

*It might work if u have 4x crit dmg lines

[viscid stirrup]

only lv7 zwei, for the middle team add like 500m forgor to burst

[grave galleon]

Hmm thanks

so Zwei is bad

back to A

[grave galleon]

phase 3 though?

[viscid stirrup]

yes

[grave galleon]

do u get full crit rate already

[viscid stirrup]

no im at 90% with mmast

including base crit as well

[grave galleon]

Ig it wont make up 5b

I think I overlooked thepart that MiharaBC alt rotation doesnt have dmg if she is in burst

so no point not playing MirandaTr crit

[viscid stirrup]

part of the problem is that mmast also desyncs with mihara

[grave galleon]

manual Maxwell?

[viscid stirrup]

yes

manualed burst too so that maxwell wouldnt take a mast burst

so mihara wasnt always gewtting 3 stack mast or mast at all

[grave galleon]

I think Miranda is just straight up better

back to A tier she goes

[viscid stirrup]

well she did do more damage on mast team, its just not using nayuta is inting

[grave galleon]

Mihara deals more with Mihara

Miranda*

thats whts important

[viscid stirrup]

another use case for zwei crit is julia

but thats ab it

[grave galleon]

I dont think shes going to revive

but maybe?

with SW?

instead of buffing SW, use double DPS?

[viscid stirrup]

definitely not worth it with enough parts

[grave galleon]

wdym not worth

[viscid stirrup]

better to scale sw more on a boss like MW for example

theres prob a breakpoint tho

[grave galleon]

Julia might end up dealing more

than buffing SW

but there is also Eve

what B2 does Iron team use

[viscid stirrup]

for UR?

[grave galleon]

SW Miranda

SR

[viscid stirrup]

grave

[grave galleon]

hmm

[viscid stirrup]

compilation of tests, rh should gap liter teams when zwei is maxed

julia dmg difference is minimal between all comps

julia 60/30 p3 rh 90/30

[grave galleon]

Grave is a bad choice here

that team barely has any ATK buff

[viscid stirrup]

realistically other b2s r in higher demand

[grave galleon]

maybe use something else

[viscid stirrup]

grave also has zwei synergy

[grave galleon]

what synergy

Pierce?

[viscid stirrup]

yea

[grave galleon]

she alraedy has too much atk dmg though but idk

[viscid stirrup]

well ik for a fact running like bade would b a big dps loss

would have to b a more contested b2

maybe xbrid? ill run an auto rq

[grave galleon]

I just remathed

its not that big of a difference at the end anyway

Grave wins I think

Julia scales with both, but she can get ATK from OL

RH has similar ATK & ATK DMG values

actually more ATK even

cus from OL

[viscid stirrup]

yea

atk benefits julia a lot more

[vagrant vapor]

https://youtu.be/xF_oLbbLHzY

[grave galleon]

Mihara?

[grave galleon]

So shes SS material

Cindy got a huge hit though

[karmic beacon]

Liberalio and SWHA both compete for her spot

We only really have room for one neutral unit in peak scores

[grave galleon]

Cindy S tier letsgo

[karmic beacon]

For top 3% goers, Cindy still better than most elemental niche units

[grave galleon]

I cant decide Priv's rating

She will definitely have 100% use rate

Close to Helm

But is use rate enough to determine

[karmic beacon]

I'm giving her SS

But for me, Rapi is the only SSS B3, and I'm not likely to give another unless we get more dual element or alternative burst stage units

Drake, Helm and Mihara are my only SS (Mihara above SWHA/Liberalio/Cindy only because of her ability to be used off-burst with basically no harm), and Privaty easily stands on their tier imo

[grave galleon]

Drake SS is wild and where Dorothy

SWHA not SSS? wild

[karmic beacon]

A for solo raid

[grave galleon]

Bloc-

[karmic beacon]

I look a lot at future proofing

rather than the current status quo

[grave galleon]

Yeah but thats not how u uh tier based on future proofing

SWHA is best Neutral atm

And give dmg taken

That dmg taken itself is enuf to mean shit

[karmic beacon]

Yes, but best neutral is like T5 in 4 elements

[grave galleon]

She can replace supports and compensate with dmg

[karmic beacon]

unless you're Mihara

Her support function is much weaker than Privaty's

[grave galleon]

With Moran we will get more Neutral use

And SGs might be out

For Wind and Iron

Gone

[karmic beacon]

Unless we get strong SGs next wind-weak and iron-weak raids

but yeah, those tiers are pre-new treasure wave

You're right that Moran might shift things greatly, as unfortunately treasures are the one thing that are entirely unpredictable

but SG comp getting kicked out only justifies my A rating for S Doro

[grave galleon]

How about Raven?

[grave galleon]

Thanks

[karmic beacon]

[grave galleon]

Is this sheet public

[karmic beacon]

Yeah, but just DM'd you the link

[grave galleon]

Can u test zwei grave rh alice dwife

Or Volume

And doropity

[viscid stirrup]

Well zwei bad for doro I can tell u that

But I cant test alice, my power is out aint tryna sweat alice on mobile, unless u just wanna c rh damage

[viscid stirrup]

Similar to shelm too much dmg up

But alice boosting rh here

[grave galleon]

So this is better than Julia?

Hmm but it has core

[grave galleon]

10437m is ur highest with Julia

Hmmm Julia better at the end huh

Oh thats auto Alice

Hmmm

[grave galleon]

No, I just wanna see which one is better for SR

RH Alice or RH Julia but core present or not will skew

RH gets like a huge boost here and Alice

[split root]

I made a poor life decision, i maxed zwei treasure first
Surely theres no way we go through an iron sr where sw is benched right?? Right?? Right??

[brazen frost]

surely there’s a time frame where all 10 halos align and the boss isn’t invul/have 700% def up

[errant creek]

Mirror container 2.0 baybee

[grave galleon]

@viscid stirrup Thanks

I heard SWHA may be better with Zwei than Miranda, can you, in Water weak, prove this?

[viscid stirrup]

Just did 1 SW + 1 Guillotine burst

7/7/7 zwei so I think at 10/10/10 should match or beat miranda

[grave galleon]

Thanks. Miranda is cheaper

[tropic sparrow]

What if.... I already have Zwei at 10/10/10?

wtf why did the screenshot go back to gear...

[grave galleon]

Now that I think about it. Rather than Julia, why isnt LaplaceTr better since both pierce at the end anw

Does the true dmg count as pierce dmg though

[viscid stirrup]

im plan ning to use her on another team, but lapalce does counts as pierce

laplace also doesnt rly ebenfit as much from zwei as she ticks too fast for the single shot buffs

[grave galleon]

Guys. You can use Zwei's Burst first then Volume in the next rotation for no reason.

Nvm not worth

just mald RNG

[woeful roost]

this new zwei skins has nothing under the skirt but it does has boobas under the top, no nipples tho

[karmic beacon]

Yeah, that makes sense for the rigging

[night turret]

And seeing the toes