[Ein] New Unit Megathread

[rare vine]

We dont even know how fast she shoots

[woeful lark]

Gonna work on RoF now

[tranquil iris]

@plain zincsimilar to vesti's drones but aside from what
she has a ton of hidden numbers
scope tests have her better than drunklet though

[rare vine]

Wat ze fak i du not know me no sif up

[tulip crater]

I wonder how start and end of burst affects her feather firing.

Is it like a charge speed buff where it does the remaining cooldown at the slower pace?

Or is it like a skill cooldown reduction where once you have the reduced cooldown, it's reduced?

[plain zinc]

There can be no hidden damage, her kit is pretty simple

[plain zinc]

The drones, do they hit 10 times, then 16 times next burst, and so on?

[sleek olive]

is it possible zwei will be B3 CDR?

[woeful lark]

Not hidden damage

[limpid crest]

not a pilgrim. mb mb. not a limited pilgrim

[woeful lark]

The rate of fire isn't given

[frigid wind]

They just swoosh

[woeful lark]

Well, rate of fire/cooldown of drone attacks, however you want to refer to it

[rare vine]

More like dps

[brave spruce]

so people who are smart, ein or should i get shelm

[woeful lark]

S Helm

[rare vine]

Ein

[woeful lark]

Ein will spook you in a month

[rare vine]

Trust no spooks

[limpid crest]

Shelm because I trust in your standard pulls

molds will get you ein

[tulip crater]

B3 Supporter Burst: Team Cooldown Reduced By 10. Gain full burst bar at end of full burst. No Other Effect.

[sleek olive]

well if pilgrim banner usualy devs will give you lot of rainbow tickets

[rare vine]

SHelm is only good for one raid

One element raid

[sleek olive]

so if you care about collab just skip, but if you care pilgrim you can try to pull

[woeful lark]

As if Ein will be used in non-water raids

[rare vine]

Yes she will

[woeful lark]

We're comparing her to Scarlet who is practically dead

[rare vine]

Alr better than z
Scaelet

[tulip crater]

I'll probably use her because I don't have SG team, so S.Anis Electric team is a mainstay for me

[woeful lark]

That's not saying much

[sleek olive]

hmm if ein only good against water rapture then gonna skip

[woeful lark]

S Helm is the second best B2 for iron raids and a fifth CDR unit for when SG comps fails

plus is literally impossible to obtain after this banner for a year

[rare vine]

Alice and SBS now join Crown and Privaty

[sleek olive]

need tyrant boss with charge speed debuff like thermite B

[autumn kayak]

Kinda funny privaty still relevant since day 1 till now

[sleek olive]

and you can get her free

[rare vine]

Sanis team will have 3 dps

[dawn sphinx]

Very good investment and she was free

[sleek olive]

because she is only nikke with reducing ammo

[plain zinc]

Sigh, no math behind this char yet

Ain't no way we going on pure feels this time right

[oak violet]

i just woke up and playing campaign, pretty sure trix is sleeping

who else is going to look at fire rate

[plain zinc]

He is working

[oak violet]

may as well be sleeping

[plain zinc]

Indeed

[rare vine]

But if every team needs one electric

Ein or Scarlet will rotate to Blanc Noir

SAnis will be left with one

Most likely Scarlet + Priv + Doro

[plain zinc]

Is ein lesser than scar?

[rare vine]

Ein will move to Blanc Noir

[main ginkgo]

Ein max skill, 0 atk/ele

[plain zinc]

Oh she's pretty much A tier then isn't she

[plain zinc]

How much atk/ele on anis

[woeful lark]

Ein is better than Drunklet without question

[rare vine]

[main ginkgo]

45 on atk, 25 on ele

[plain zinc]

Bruh

[rare vine]

4th team is SG with PrivM

[oak violet]

tbh ive be more excited to check this can u do that instead https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003718778258980944/1265954617171382272/image.png?ex=66a3639d&is=66a2121d&hm=8b79722fa0e4dba92b3e3c4fa23acea1de547aef60508158d322bf9dc36811a9&

[limpid crest]

📸

[rare vine]

And then 5th team is Sakura Noise

OG Sakura

[plain zinc]

I saw Aku share it, I'm gonna check it right now game is updating

[plain zinc]

This mf is a maiden simp, don't listen to him

[woeful lark]

[rare vine]

She is gonna be used with Blanc Noir only in this raid

[woeful lark]

Guillo so dead

[rare vine]

Dont test with other teams

[grizzled echo]

no one is talking about Guilo

[agile linden]

nikke.gg said SS tier

must pull ong

[grizzled echo]

isn't Guilo > Scarlet ?

[plain zinc]

Just know that guillo was getting defence buffs instead of ATK buffs from crown

[agile linden]

[rare vine]

Belongs to Saku Noise team

[plain zinc]

@grizzled echo

[wintry rampart]

Already powercrept by blonde JK

[rare vine]

Or maybe just maybe

[plain zinc]

Moran

[limpid crest]

id prefer noone did so I can cope with having guilo and not ein

[tranquil iris]

this man leaves guillo at the last spot and have everything on auto btw

[woeful lark]

Guillo's there just for funzies

[rare vine]

Doro Crown SAnis Guillo Privaty

[tranquil iris]

with 3 b3s

[rare vine]

[woeful lark]

It's more that she did 80% Scarlet's damage with 60k less CP

[agile linden]

fyi 31 hit on fb 31st hit is without self attack buff from s1, and every 3 seconds is the attack interval

[rare vine]

Its going to be Mast 2B Guillo hell again

Moran Mast 2B Guillo Sakura

[tranquil iris]

smells like pre 1.0 anni

[rare vine]

No other choice

[plain zinc]

Ein smells like being overrated
Nikke.gg says she beats out scarlet in dps

While you all are saying she's lower

[limpid crest]

what

[sleek olive]

solo raid will be land eater or ch32 boss

[limpid crest]

the others here said Ein outdps drunklet.

[rare vine]

Even if she doesnt work, shes good in pvp

[sleek olive]

electric weak

[plain zinc]

@sleek olive @tranquil iris my game is updating can you gimme a better understanding on how near feathers work
And how her 300% supposed AoE works?

[dawn sphinx]

I refuse to pull her 😁

[rare vine]

She is a better 2B in PvP

Well slower wipe

But more potential dmg

[sleek olive]

same, still updating

[rare vine]

Still tauntable

[woeful lark]

Her drones literally just float around shooting things

[rare vine]

But at least some dmg isnt tauntable

[plain zinc]

[plain zinc]

Ok but even after burst ends?

[limpid crest]

so drones arent tauntable?

[plain zinc]

Can you record her
First burst and second burst
For us?

[woeful lark]

Yeah, working on it

[plain zinc]

They should be

[woeful lark]

I'm also timing attack rate

[plain zinc]

Fuck attack rate, just count number of attacks

[rare vine]

They are, but guaranteed 300% AoE dmg.

[plain zinc]

Please have damage numbers on

[woeful lark]

Always do

[limpid crest]

oh thats what you meant :c

[woeful lark]

Number of attacks = attack rate

[rare vine]

Basically tauntable AoE dmg

It is similar to 2B

[main ginkgo]

SAnis burst 2nd btw

[plain zinc]

Are you quickscoping?

[woeful lark]

Yes, but much less often

[rare vine]

Dunno about SBS

[sleek olive]

i refuse pulling Ein before devs announce what boss next solo raid

[main ginkgo]

No, full auto

[rare vine]

Does SBS require taunt to block or just immune?

[plain zinc]

Can you check quickscoping now and see if it's a DPS increase specifically for ein?

[sleek olive]

taunt, immune

distribution damage 0 damage

[rare vine]

Then SBS is slowest tauntable AoE with highest damage, 2B is fastest with lowest damage, Ein is somewhere in the middle with guaranteed 300% AoE (maybe enuf to kill someone who knows).

[frigid wind]

They generate extra burst

[tulip crater]

It's S.Anis and Ein banner up right now.

No way it's not electric weak. Making it Iron-weak just for S.Helm would be hilarious tho.

[frigid wind]

Like super fast

[limpid crest]

id take it for Laplace :)

[rare vine]

Ein 300% has 70% ATK × 55% TRUE DAMAGE buff in PvP btw.

So 465% with 70% ATK buff.

[woeful lark]

Drones can crit but don't core hit, it seems

[main ginkgo]

Spam shot

[agile linden]

I wonder how they work with parts

[main ginkgo]

Not much change

[tulip crater]

so like S.Anis or any other skill damage? Can they hit parts?

[plain zinc]

No diff damn

[oak violet]

technically u can do it with just immune if u get the target selection correct

[plain zinc]

So she's autoable

[woeful lark]

5-6 drone hits between Ein's bursts

[main ginkgo]

Cause her main dps is feather

[oak violet]

sbs's dmg target is lowest def

on all of it

[rare vine]

Oh fr? No need taunt?

[woeful lark]

Lemme test SI

[plain zinc]

I thought
480% every 1s

It definitely contributes

[woeful lark]

After I test if her drones hit parts, I'll do a full cover run vs full autofire run

[agile linden]

60% of her dps is autos at 1-1-1

[oak violet]

outside of burst charge dmg she only gets 80+250 right

330 is worse than spam

[dawn sphinx]

For PVP side keripo did some first test and she looks promising

[sleek olive]

skill investment for ein?

10-10-10?

[plain zinc]

[agile linden]

what a sr nikke does dps on burst and is useless off burst

who could have seen this coming

[celest elk]

cuz guli need too much time to reduce her hp?

[rare vine]

10 10 10 kinda maybe idk

[tulip crater]

yeah but it closes the gap and auto is so much more comfy/lets you manual someone else on the team

[woeful lark]

No part damage from drones

[oak violet]

shes not getting crown buff

[plain zinc]

S2 Depends on near feather
S1 and burst should be 10

[woeful lark]

Ignore Guillo

[plain zinc]

So
7/7/7 -> 10/10/10 prolly

[tulip crater]

so it's just straight skill damage probably

[woeful lark]

She's only there for funzies

[celest elk]

thats the same thing, how can she get atk buff from crown if her self atk buff not active

[woeful lark]

By bursting

[oak violet]

atk buff from crown is based on who bursts, u know who doesnt burst in p5?

[autumn kayak]

They really makes more 10 10 10 units cause overclock gonna be perma

[celest elk]

oh

[woeful lark]

Ein will be really good for Overlock

[frigid wind]

Yeah

[woeful lark]

Ignores the DEF up entirely

[frigid wind]

[oak violet]

ele weak overcock is shotguns atm iirc

[celest elk]

i thought crown buff is depend on atk stat

[tulip crater]

oh yeah true damage in general is gonna be great for overlock

[celest elk]

my bad

[rare vine]

Ein will be good for INTERCEPTION EX

[woeful lark]

Nope

Crown ATK buff is just who actively bursts in the chain

Those who don't get DEF instead

Everyone gets reload

[rare vine]

Tech is dumb

[tulip crater]

you're thinking of Maxwell buff, which IIRC gets assigned after Crown buff does

[plain zinc]

This will only ever be fair when a nikke based on Def comes in play

[tulip crater]

so with Crown in team burst order determines who gets Maxwell buff

[woeful lark]

Mast

[agile linden]

the real question is will they buff sr boss's def

[lilac whale]

missilis Tech finally beat Dataminers. Just Saying

[rare vine]

Yes

[lilac whale]

Dataminers cant figure out how good my Missilis Tech is

[rare vine]

Datamined skill is that boss greatly enhances DEF

[plain zinc]

Mast is caster's Def

[agile linden]

and whats the def stat of the shooting ranges boss

[rare vine]

Next solo raid

[plain zinc]

The boss is fucking out

Go check it and test it

[rare vine]

Cannot la when will u do my ch23 hard boss

[plain zinc]

You can literally see whole moveset in ch32

[celest elk]

it not the same with sr boss though?

[lilac whale]

its about time we get a boss with massive defense if true

[plain zinc]

Oh cuz of true damage

[rare vine]

Eunhwa will be like True Dmg buffer B2

[fast salmon]

finally defense debuffs wont be useless

[sleek olive]

could true damage somehow bypass 1-hit mobs?

[lilac whale]

I mean I read somewhere that Defense in general is just not great on bosses to begin with, which is why there is the issue of defense down not being greast

[woeful lark]

Okay, gonna do two runs to compare total DPS vs drone DPS

[tulip crater]

protect the wall is the worst

no matter how high your CP still takes 90 seconds

[rare vine]

They are

[sleek olive]

usually these mobs are high def

[rare vine]

DEF buff/debuff is additive

[woeful lark]

Mast's DEF▼ is the exception since hers is based on her own

[final kite]

so is it time for zwei to greatly boost true dmg once again?

[rare vine]

If boss +300%, reduce -30%, it becomes +270%

Whats the point

[celest elk]

too much 1 type buff in 1 team is bad...

[woeful lark]

Mast can reduce UR bosses' DEF to zero

[rare vine]

Nah dead

Useless garbage

[limpid crest]

because Mast is best

[final kite]

clay seems garbage without a doubt

[main ginkgo]

Invest on Mast and Elegg

[rare vine]

Elegg will be used for sure next raid

[tranquil iris]

mast gives me mast

[cold dawn]

Hey, don't be so mean to Clay, she helped save my gem stash

[rare vine]

Ok heres the teams

[limpid crest]

same with trony

[final kite]

she took out 50k gems and 200 gold tix from me

[autumn kayak]

They somehow change clay skill description but not the effect or numbers whats the point

[final kite]

I have a right to blame her

[autumn kayak]

What did they think if they explain and make better wording make us gonna use her?

[rare vine]

• Liter Blanc Noir Ein Modernia

• DWife Tia Naga Alice SBS

• Dorothy Elegg Biscuit SAnis Privaty

• Tove Leona PrivM BSoda BAlice

• Pepper Dolla XLudmilla RedHood Scarlet

• Moran Mast 2B Guillo Sakura

Whatever.

Imma sleep.

[frigid wind]

So 10-7-10?

[limpid crest]

my toveless ass will run a mast team

[frigid wind]

Currently at 10-7-8

[toxic mauve]

I dont have Leona

[limpid crest]

at least Leona is replaceable

[toxic mauve]

who?

[cold dawn]

You don't have crown?

[grizzled echo]

no Crown

[rare vine]

Oh shit

[burnt schooner]

Elegg

[cold dawn]

Can't believe kisenix bench crown

[rare vine]

[final kite]

crownless is a myth

[sleek olive]

diesel with fav item can omit healer

[limpid crest]

Benching Crown is best idea Kisenix has made

[rare vine]

The last time I did solo raid was before Crown

[sleek olive]

as she will tank and auto heal

[rare vine]

I have been asking people to help with my raid

Im too lazy

To grind

[sleek olive]

except AoE attack

[tranquil iris]

breaking news: prydwen writer doesn't play ze game

[rare vine]

We need to know if solo Crown is enough

[plain zinc]

WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS

THIS GAME IS TAKING 7 YEARS TO UPDATE

[burnt schooner]

took me 20 minutes

[plain zinc]

Ok Mr german

[burnt schooner]

[plain zinc]

I don't have good net cuz apparently 100mpbs is shit

[limpid crest]

took me probably 20 minutes or something

but i pre updated so this is a skill issue on your part

[rare vine]

• Liter Blanc Noir Ein Modernia

• DWife Tia Naga Alice SBS

• Dorothy Elegg Biscuit SAnis Privaty

• Tove Leona PrivM BSoda BAlice

• Volume Crown XLudmilla RedHood Scarlet

• Moran Mast 2B Guillo Sakura

[limpid crest]

ah man i have to use tia. I was going to reset her <.<

one day

[rare vine]

Eh it depends if boss has core ig

[limpid crest]

true

[rare vine]

Xlud benched if no core

I mean

[toxic mauve]

you can free Liter with frima amd bench volume.

[rare vine]

Where CDR

[toxic mauve]

IDK

[burnt schooner]

lol

[limpid crest]

tf you mean idk

[woeful lark]

AFK (no normal attacks) | Auto-Fire (Charge Attacks) | Full Manual (Quick-Fire)

At 7/7/7, quickfire is way more damage

Gonna see how Maxwell and Alice affect her

Cuz she's getting 440% during her burst

No charge speed hurts

[tulip crater]

yeah I feel best should be quickfire outside burst, auto during

especially if can get any chargespeed

[woeful lark]

Although the high damage with quickfire may also just be that Crown + Priv + Res Cube = infinite ammo during burst

[rare vine]

• Liter Blanc Noir Ein Modernia
• DWife Tia Naga Alice SBS
• Dorothy Crown SAnis Scarlet Privaty
• Tove Leona PrivM BSoda BAlice
• Moran SummerRosanna RH Guillo Sakura

This is probably better.

[woeful lark]

With reloads, probably would drop DPS quite a bit

Not sure why you're putting Ein in bunnies when she doesn't benefit from max ammo much

I'd stick Scarlet there and put Ein with S Anis

if one ignores Maxwell

[agile linden]

were you on her while you did auto full charge

[woeful lark]

Yes

[agile linden]

because that misses core hits

[rare vine]

Well no

Mast is dead

Summer Rosanna replaces her

[woeful lark]

Not until we see boss gimmicks

Mast may end up necessary if the DEF is enough of a problem

Like core being unhittable if DEF isn't shredded/ignored

[rare vine]

Mast won't help

[frigid wind]

inb4 Land Eater SR boss

Oh God...

[rare vine]

Mast reduces DEF based on caster's

[woeful lark]

Yes, which is good

[rare vine]

As I said

DEF is ADDITIVE

Not multiplicative

[toxic mauve]

[rare vine]

+500% -30% = 470%

[woeful lark]

And?

[rare vine]

Lol

And u know what

ATK > DEF

Cus Dmg = atk - def

[woeful lark]

If Mast's DEF is higher than the boss', that's 100% strip

[toxic mauve]

we got baited so hard, now they will release stellarblade collab 8)

[rare vine]

They are indeed

[agile linden]

can you do quick fire with auto on

[rare vine]

Tbh shiftup has one of the worst char design teams

Lmao

[toxic mauve]

then, true damage is useless.

just put mast :/

[woeful lark]

Need five teams

Also, Mast can struggle keeping max stacks

Which ruins the whole thing

[rare vine]

I bet ya Mast wont be used

Maybe she will

But most likely not

[woeful lark]

Gotta see how boss works

Like Kraken made Red Hood cry

[rare vine]

Not how see

Its almost 75% chance she wont make it

Regardless of boss

[toxic mauve]

true :v

[woeful lark]

Nice random %

[rare vine]

I only see 2 reasons of running it

Biscuit Mast if u dont have Elegg

[toxic mauve]

she's so useless there, I used RH every raid but this time eh

[rare vine]

And 2B Guillo team

Nothing else

[toxic mauve]

what's eleg skill again?

def shred

[rare vine]

Just pure dmg no skill

Actually distributed dmg+

[toxic mauve]

distribute

[woeful lark]

Sure, after I finish this Alice run

[toxic mauve]

never built her.

I'm more into Ein, Trony design 8)

[rare vine]

U can say Mast is more investment friendly

So maybe a lot will use Biscu Mast

But rarely on top 5

[oak violet]

thats asuming u have ammo rolls too

[woeful lark]

Alice provides considerable damage to auto Ein

[oak violet]

no ammo/reload support i sus auto 330 might be higher just cuz reload issues

[cold dawn]

But too bad Alice is married to SBS already

[woeful lark]

Unless SBS is wrecked by boss mechanics this time

[rare vine]

Nice cp diff

[woeful lark]

[oak violet]

can u do a really boring test for me

[woeful lark]

CP diff doesn't matter

[oak violet]

ein full cover the whole time vs ein shooting

[woeful lark]

What are you on?

I'm not comparing damage to Alice

[oak violet]

then u can see the drone dmg vs gun dmg

[tulip crater]

they already did, scroll up

[oak violet]

oh

[rare vine]

Oh its alice vs non alice as support

[woeful lark]

Look at the post I replied to

[woeful lark]

[oak violet]

where

ah

[woeful lark]

#1265253631146463233 message

Drones are actually only a smart part of damage, interestingly

[tulip crater]

like 20 comments up

[woeful lark]

At least, with my underinvested Ein

No OL gear at all, as I'm dry on gear exp

7/7/7 on skills

[rare vine]

7/7/7 is unfair ngl

[autumn kayak]

Yea always exp problem
Gear exp doll exp

[woeful lark]

Gonna quickfire with auto on now

[rare vine]

Unfair testing

[woeful lark]

How?

[rare vine]

Anyone with Crown and Priv have inflated basic attack%

Because never reload*

[woeful lark]

Yes, that goes for all units

[rare vine]

Try again with Blanc Noir or Tiga

[woeful lark]

Both B3s get that advantage

[rare vine]

And be sane

[frigid wind]

Stupid game froze

[rare vine]

No ure not understanding

[cold dawn]

If Ein is with litter bunnies, she will help with burst gen, and with enough ammo lines she only need to reload less (?)

[woeful lark]

Tiga gives advantage cuz of core hits

[frigid wind]

Tried to spam with her outside of FB

[rare vine]

U want to compare EIN vs EIN

Not EIN vs other units

[woeful lark]

???

That's not what I'm testing

[rare vine]

???????

[woeful lark]

[rare vine]

Ure testing DMG with basic attacks and without

But Crown Privaty inflates her basic attack proportion

[woeful lark]

Unless she's top DPS this raid because of boss gimmicks

Then she would be

[tulip crater]

Doro/Crown/S.Anis/Ein/Privaty is a valid team, especially for electric weak

[woeful lark]

I'm assuming core is only hittable by true damage

[celest elk]

true dmg meta?

[woeful lark]

because Shift Up loves their SR gimmicks

[rare vine]

Nope

Scarlet will be used

[orchid fractal]

90%

[woeful lark]

Oh, we have SR moveset already?

[celest elk]

90% * 3 stack

[tulip crater]

Are these tests not to work out whether Ein replaces Scarlet?

for this, being one of her more realistic uses?

[rare vine]

Just 90% bro

[orchid fractal]

normally, def = 20% ATKA

[celest elk]

what about those icon?

[cold dawn]

Maxwell possibly benched in this raid?

[woeful lark]

She has multiple glass slippers

[orchid fractal]

so 270% more = 3.7 x 20% = 74% atk reduction

[rare vine]

U can destroy glass slipper with one attack

[orchid fractal]

damn, I bet normal attack of Alice deal 1 dmg

[celest elk]

but it not spawn instant...

that why i said 3, instead of 4

[rare vine]

Not with Tiga

[tranquil iris]

is that some respawning destroyable parts I see

[celest elk]

you break 1st glass really fast but need to wait it respawn

[woeful lark]

Btw, regarding this, I'll test a few runs again using only CDR and selfish units, as bunnies, Tiga, and Crown all actually bias towards normal attacks

[rare vine]

Cant someone just full demo a Mirror Container run

Whoever hasnt killed boss yet

[woeful lark]

I can when I work on story

But yeah, will take a bit of time

[rare vine]

Atk buff maybe or maybe not

Anything without atk buff is benched possibly

[woeful lark]

Maxwell may work with Ein depending on how the teams work out

[rare vine]

Like new summer units

[oak violet]

does anyone have ein's burst gen on hand is it still 2.9

[frigid wind]

Here's mine with Maxwell. My Ein is just 2 OL atm

I think this run was 9-7-7

in terms of investment

[rare vine]

Whats Naga doing

[frigid wind]

For Crown

[rare vine]

This is not campaign

U wont run Naga Crown in solo raid

[woeful lark]

We might

[frigid wind]

Oh, right

[rare vine]

Ure insane

[frigid wind]

[woeful lark]

Why are you talking about team comps for SR when you haven't even been doing SR recently?

[orchid fractal]

damn

[echo ravine]

is ein modernia level?

[woeful lark]

Teams aren't nearly as rigid as they used to be

[rare vine]

I am this server's certified poison cook.

[frigid wind]

[woeful lark]

Fair enough

[rare vine]

Austin misses me all the time when I don't give food poisoning.

[woeful lark]

I wonder how influential Exia+ will be

[rare vine]

0

DoA

[urban river]

Exia strong

💪

[final kite]

seems good against elec weak

[rare vine]

No heal

[vocal lodge]

So…any verdict on ein?

[rare vine]

Uninstall Nikke counts?

[urban river]

Nah

Still good game

[rare vine]

L

Im not in the mood of writing her review

[urban river]

Where's baldsnake?

[rare vine]

L

[echo ravine]

[woeful lark]

Manual Quick-Fire (Auto-Fire On)
Manual Quick-Fire (Auto-Fire Off)
Auto-Fire Full Charge (Camera Focused)
Auto-Fire Full Charge (AI Camera)
AFK (No Normal Attacks)

Hehe, definitely different results without Crown

[echo ravine]

i wonder if she will be as good as modernia with an item and decent gear

[woeful lark]

Generally same performance aside from auto-fire on quickfire (which is of course terrible)

[frigid wind]

Full auto vs Wind Boss

10-7-9 investment

[woeful lark]

90k/190k from drones, 100k from normal attacks for me

[toxic mauve]

charge speed improves her alot?

[woeful lark]

Hard to test accurately, unfortunately

Gotta use Alice then another selfish DPS unit

[frigid wind]

A little yeah, here's a run with Alice on full auto vs the Water boss

[woeful lark]

Otherwise, Maxwell vs two units that can equal her ATK buff

[frigid wind]

Man I need rocks by tomorrow

[urban river]

We need maths reference

[frigid wind]

[urban river]

Manual Alice?

[frigid wind]

Auto, on manual she did 300m more

[urban river]

I don't like full auto test

Is ok as reference but not realistic numbers at the end

[frigid wind]

Yeah

My first run was 7-7-7 Ein with Liter, Crown, S.Anis and Priv and did 1.55b

on full auto

And when I upgraded her to 9-7-8 the overall dmg somehow got worse

[urban river]

[frigid wind]

lower than 20m

S.Anis pellet issue

[urban river]

Midnis

[woeful lark]

The point with Alice isn't to compare if she's stronger than Alice or not, but to see how well Alice supports her

so full auto's fine

[urban river]

I meant manual ein

Ein thread

[woeful lark]

But Ein's performance is looking to be even auto full charge vs manual quickfire unless you're using Crown

[frigid wind]

Yeah

[urban river]

Auto isn't perfect core hit

[frigid wind]

tried to spam outside of FB

[urban river]

[amber cave]

Okay, Ein looks decent enough to pull for my Scarletless account

[woeful lark]

Doesn't have to be

[frigid wind]

Oh, well that explains stuff

[woeful lark]

Look at my results

[lyric nebula]

Ein = Scarlet?

[woeful lark]

Ein > Scarlet

Doesn't hurt herself, either

[lyric nebula]

About time

[frigid wind]

Hello fellow Scarletless

[urban river]

Scarlet>ein, cuz PvP meta

[amber cave]

Might put her with SAnis or with Laplace

[autumn kayak]

Mirror container like mod
Core are part so after destroyed its no more

[lyric nebula]

Do ein and alice work together??

[amber cave]

SBS is better with Alice

But yes

[lyric nebula]

hmm

Should i mileage her

i dont wanna

[amber cave]

Ein would have good damage from her shots, if she had charge speed up

[lyric nebula]

i think its waste

Yep

[prisma bridge]

nah

[shrewd rock]

is she worth it?

[woeful lark]

In the hypothetical situation in which Shift Up makes a boss that disables SBS and strengthens Ein (e.g. this next raid potentially), it may work out to pair SBS and Ein

[prisma bridge]

worth what?

[woeful lark]

Unlikely

but there's a chance

[shrewd rock]

pull

[lyric nebula]

Nah

pull what u want

[frigid wind]

Unless you're Scarletless

[lyric nebula]

i honestly just pull for meta (except for s.sakura)

[amber cave]

Okay, I have her

[prisma bridge]

it depends

[frigid wind]

Nice

[amber cave]

0LB 4/4/4 Ein here we go

[knotty sluice]

What's the scoop

is she shit or alrite

[frigid wind]

She's alright

[lyric nebula]

yeahh

[frigid wind]

[knotty sluice]

so maybe wait a day or two?

[lyric nebula]

Just pull scarlet

😁

[knotty sluice]

i'm really not into pulling unless they're meta/useful

[limpid crest]

yup makes sense to me

[knotty sluice]

and i'm already gonna have to pull s helm

after being a year late

[prisma bridge]

shelm is not a must

[lyric nebula]

Anybody know what next collab is?

Is it an anime or some game

[knotty sluice]

I was hurting for her in the last raid

[limpid crest]

Shelm is only a must if you really like SR

and need iron

[knotty sluice]

yeah I like to ensure a sub 3% slot

[lyric nebula]

Its the same company😭

[knotty sluice]

I know KW:D replaced her in tower

[limpid crest]

probably stellar blade

[knotty sluice]

they said it was a famous series

[prisma bridge]

stellar blade is famous

[frigid wind]

Tekken

[knotty sluice]

SB was cool but I don't think it qualifies as "famous"

[frigid wind]

[prisma bridge]

[limpid crest]

well... it was in the media :)

[frigid wind]

Please don't be an anime collab

[knotty sluice]

hopefully it's Final Fantasy so we can get Tifa just like Tekken

[frigid wind]

Unless it makes sense

[frigid wind]

Wut

[prisma bridge]

devil may cry is also good

[frigid wind]

[knotty sluice]

that's the meme since SF got actual good collabs

[frigid wind]

inb4 the famous series turns out to be Pokemon

And we get thicc Charizard

[limpid crest]

id like a granblue collab but thats just because ive been playing relink recently

[knotty sluice]

gonna give charizard a gat

[frigid wind]

[woeful lark]

Who has shown that she's worse than Scarlet?

[limpid crest]

^

[shell mauve]

core doesn't respawn then ? rip SW

[woeful lark]

I think I'm the only person posting results where Scarlet wins, and that's cuz it's C5, +5/+5/+5/+4 OL, 10/7/10 Scarlet vs 0/3, +4/+0/+3/+0 T9M, 7/7/7 Ein

[limpid crest]

i mean she is worse in pvp. surely that makes her worse in raids :)

[woeful lark]

Bet she's better in PVP vs Noah than Scarlet is

[limpid crest]

true

didnt noah just get gigabuffed btw (pvp)

[knotty sluice]

wait what

how?

[final kite]

what the fuck

[frigid wind]

WHAT

[cold dawn]

I don't think Ein can outdamage my scarlet anytime soon, by any chance and stroke of luck, she is my highest CP unit.
~~and she's on the verge of getting benched ~~

[frigid wind]

OH CMON

[final kite]

noah got buffed with faster regen?

[limpid crest]

Noah moving up on the tier list lets go

[knotty sluice]

Holy fuck noah so stronk SSS tier

[frigid wind]

Faster than Emilia?

[cold dawn]

Noah has burst gen below Emi and above Lap treasure

[limpid crest]

no

[prisma bridge]

huh when did they buff her?

[limpid crest]

if it was faster than Emi pvp would be scary

[knotty sluice]

wait does this mean that soline got buffed too

[grizzled echo]

2x burst gen

[knotty sluice]

who?

never heard of her

[frigid wind]

[limpid crest]

and Soline :)

[frigid wind]

WHAT

[limpid crest]

oh i have never once used quency

[frigid wind]

WHAT THE FUCK

[prisma bridge]

this patch?

[knotty sluice]

wait so are they doing double damage now too???

[final kite]

what in the gods name fuck

[knotty sluice]

[green wraith]

[main ginkgo]

God Soline buffed

[earnest pulsar]

Its arena only, nobody using those 3 for arena

[tulip crater]

sounds like they were doing half damage this whole time in pvp and nobody noticed because they're all shit

[fast salmon]

wtf

[rigid elm]

CROW BUFF ???

[limpid crest]

every day 1 RL is getting closer

[final kite]

including me like no one ever noticed that was a bug

[woeful lark]

(reminder this is the Ein thread)

[tulip crater]

Noah people use in pvp but I guess not for damage

[final kite]

after 1.5 years have passed

[limpid crest]

essentially the same

[tulip crater]

Noah teams might have slightly better burst gen now? lol

[limpid crest]

Noah doubled

[fast salmon]

damn so you're telling me the double gun units werent just a visual thing and actually suposed to have diff mechanics?

[tulip crater]

Noah is doubled, but the team's burst gen will mostly be RL

[cold dawn]

can't believe soline went from teamkiller to damage machine now

[final kite]

now I can understand why ein is good against noah def

[limpid crest]

nah she still shit

[tulip crater]

oh yeah she's dual-wield RL

[limpid crest]

Still waiting on pascal bug to be fixed

one day

[tranquil iris]

they must have fixed it to prep people for zwei

[final kite]

and who the fuck could even imagine noah was dual wielder

[tulip crater]

Zwei is PvP only unit confirmed? lol

[oak violet]

double clip sg

36 by 2rl

[final kite]

nah she would be good in general cuz she's clearly smarter than ein

[knotty sluice]

lmao is that the thinking woman meme

https://tenor.com/view/math-hmm-processing-gif-10273186

good shit shiftup

[final kite]

they're good at implementing memes

just too good

fishing event was the pinnacle

[woeful lark]

Not a raid unit

Dead on arrival

[limpid crest]

she will be cdr no cope

[rigid elm]

let's not jumping the gun here

[limpid crest]

nah she will probably be bad dps :c

[rigid elm]

yeah, we need bad dps for Elysion tower

cuz they have none

[limpid crest]

another one to the pile

[agile linden]

she will save ein

[limpid crest]

how do you save a good unit

what is there to save

@vestal warren helm indeed

[orchid fractal]

I have a question

[crisp bane]

check if the core have 100% uptime

[orchid fractal]

have you cleared C27 yet

[final kite]

how shitty is its phase 2

[orchid fractal]

try Ein too

Electric

[final kite]

you can buy 12 rocks

[orchid fractal]

whatchu mean

12 rocks

never lie

buy mats too

they sell everything in shop

think

[woeful lark]

Gear exp is such pain

Gear exp is the worst thing possible to buy in the shop

[orchid fractal]

I have like

[shell mauve]

I had a question about the core having 100% uptime, but someone said it's a part and then it goes down after destroying. Another question is whether the boss has any grouped parts and if we can "exploit" with SW

[orchid fractal]

so many exp

ah I guess why

you try lv 5 every gears

[final kite]

and also gear exp is the biggest problem for me to givel OLs

[orchid fractal]

I only stop at 2

[woeful lark]

I don't either

I only +5 critical units

I just OL too many units

[limpid crest]

i just used my 4X rocks and got jack all from them so i couldnt test Ein if i wanted to

[final kite]

I'm just trying to give OLs to few chars like 5 raid teams and 3 arena teams and 4 tower teams

but for christ's sake leveling OL gear is worse than piece of shits

[tulip crater]

they fixed PvP for her, so she's intended for PvP

track record of pvp focused units is.... uh.....

[autumn kayak]

We dont have enough about everything in this game

[rigid elm]

what i meant was Zwei

[woeful lark]

Same for Sunburnt

[toxic mauve]

In nikke everything is coincidence, like every boss happens to be weak to the new released unit. so it's a coincidence they fix the pvp.

[woeful lark]

They fixed dual weapon Nikkes in arena because they're about to release another

Can't have her bricked on release

since she'll be bricked in PvE already

[sly drum]

so what's the consensus? should I feel bad about being too broke to pull for Ein and Zwei?

[toxic mauve]

never thought about dual weapons doing double damage, i thought it was character flavor.

[woeful lark]

Unelss you care about solo raid a ton, nope

[sly drum]

lmao nice

[woeful lark]

Ein may also end up pretty heavily useful in Electric-weak Overclock, but I don't see her being a campaign unit

[final kite]

zwei is still unknown

[toxic mauve]

pull for both, highschoolers are 🤤

[woeful lark]

We're looking at above Drunklet and below/even with non-burst Modernia

so not campaign material

[final kite]

but you're gonna make ein even lonlier if no zwei

[sly drum]

sure bruh just gimme 80k gems, that'll help cover what sanis and shelm stole for one copy of em each, not even mlb

[final kite]

[toxic mauve]

I secured my Ein first lmao.

Because Ein>S.anis

[oak violet]

have u guys considered how cute she is tho dont arrest me officer its a meme

[sly drum]

it sucks as a new player cuz these summer reruns basically destroyed my stash

if i didnt have to pull for the reruns I'd be staring at my new ein rn

[woeful lark]

Yeah, I have a friend who may not get Ein because of the need to get S Anis/S Helm and the looming collab ahead

At least Ein's not limited

[sly drum]

yep, wishlist nikke

[toxic mauve]

20days left you'll get her.

[woeful lark]

Would be nice if Ein and Zwei get added to spook list in time for collab

[sly drum]

i mileaged sanis cuz i was tired after 150 pulls

shelm came to me in 20

[final kite]

they'll added once banner is gone

just like the others

[woeful lark]

It's only every app update

Not after banner

[final kite]

you mean patch

[woeful lark]

Not just normal patches

App updates

[limpid crest]

if I didnt have to pull for reruns id be staring at the same nothing since i got nothing

[woeful lark]

Earlier this year we had like four Nikkes suspended in the void

[final kite]

did we get app updates every time for new banner since 1.5 anniv

I can't remember

but they were all added after banner was gone

[woeful lark]

I don't think so

Crown wasn't added until after Trony's event iirc

[toxic mauve]

it would be funny stellar blade collab will be released after Zwei

[final kite]

yea

[woeful lark]

Collab is guaranteed to be after Zwei

[final kite]

so I thought it was for non limited only

[orchid fractal]

I buy her with tickets. She belongs to this Daddy now

[final kite]

they got a good reason not to add the newest pilgrim into mald

[woeful lark]

3w events are usually the app updates

[orchid fractal]

[toxic mauve]

shiftup baited everyone so hard.

[woeful lark]

So when we have the strings of 2w events, it can take a while

[toxic mauve]

okay you want S.anis? how about you'll get the banner with new meta unit 8)

[woeful lark]

Ein won't be added next patch for Zwei's event, but probably when collab event starts along with Zwei

[final kite]

we'll see if ein is added after her event is out and zwei comes in

[oak violet]

[final kite]

otherwise imma sadge

[orchid fractal]

I mean, gotta reclaim the cost you know

if she can't fight

she will fight something else

somewhere else

[oak violet]

https://tenor.com/view/federal-investigation-gif-22271245

[limpid crest]

somehow this reminded me to see if Rupee bug still exists

i bet that it does

[final kite]

full auto of 9/9/9 0lb ein against c2 scarlet with one more ele line

[prisma bridge]

lol eim costs me 70 pulls

[shell mauve]

i wonder if we can triple pierce at 1:45

glass slipper + body + core

[potent pivot]

anyone tested ein on pvp yet?

[orchid fractal]

a lot

[limpid crest]

yup

[potent pivot]

and?

[orchid fractal]

and they stopped testing

what do you expect?

people still test to this point?

[potent pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759678417452269588/1258110273211072532/Cat-punch-gif.gif

[plain zinc]

#raid-planning or smthng man

[woeful lark]

It's in there

[plain zinc]

@orchid fractal did you check ein yet

People be spamming is __ good

Again

[orchid fractal]

may be 30min more

if only we could skip stage

[woeful lark]

Oh right, for recording videos, any particular comp you want me to use?

Not sure how diluted you want stuff from buffs

[plain zinc]

I don't really know lol

[plain zinc]

Liter Crown Ein Scarlet S.Anis

[woeful lark]

S Anis off-burst?

[plain zinc]

Give scar bastion cube

[plain zinc]

Yeah

[woeful lark]

Bastion? Not Resilience?

[plain zinc]

Give scar bastion
Give ein resil

[plain zinc]

Yeah, I think crown + anis is alrdy 100%

[woeful lark]

Wait, S Anis gives reload to others?

I totally didn't pay attention to that

[plain zinc]

Oh it's
93

Give resil to both ig

Fuck it

[woeful lark]

Manual quickfire Ein or auto-charge Ein? Cuz the former will deal way more damage with Crown

[plain zinc]

Auto

Full auto

[woeful lark]

Hai yo~

Compressing video now since it's too large

[hollow plume]

Auto should be just fine

[woeful lark]

With Crown, quickfire is much more potent

#1265253631146463233 message See here

[tranquil iris]

yeah but
who uses crown with ein in real scenarios

[woeful lark]

Potentially everyone this raid

We'll only know once the raid happens

[orchid fractal]

with FC, it's roughly 0.8 hits per sec

in exchange for 330%

fast tap is 4 hits per sec, with 100%

I guess we all see which is better

[woeful lark]

DPS Unit Info (my main account's electric units have terrible OL luck, so my alt may have better results barring level):

Ein:

• Dupes: 0/3
• Skills: 7/7/7
• Gear: T9Ms, +4/+0/+3/+0

Scarlet:

• Dupes: Core 5
• Skills: 10/7/10
• Gear: OLs, +5/+5/+5/+4
• ATK: 18.7%
• Element: +0%
• Max Ammo: +113.2%

S Anis:

• Dupes:
• Skills:
• Gear:
• ATK: 35.98%
• Element: +9.54%

Spread was like this

[hollow plume]

If your Ein is 7/10/10 the results may change

[woeful lark]

Potentially

[hollow plume]

1650% vs 1600% within 4s

[woeful lark]

Not putting in that much investment until challenge mode SR

[tranquil iris]

it's literally 0OL ein vs full OL core 5 drunklet

[woeful lark]

Yeah, Ein is strong

I'm going to be getting her OL gear asap, but unfortunately timegated

Recently OL'd Exia and Diesel

[hollow plume]

No idea how these indicators work

how much is 1

how long does 1 last

[woeful lark]

4 are permanent

Two are during her burst

They just tell you how many drones are buzzing around

[hollow plume]

U sure ?

[woeful lark]

Scope covers them up

[hollow plume]

[woeful lark]

Hm

Definitely one of the least well explained kits we've gotten

[hollow plume]

I assume Duration is diminished per new ones

and 4 is enough to get cycled to another burst where u're refreshed back to 6

[cold dawn]

Misillis industry too strong for lab

[hollow plume]

Small window where u have 3 drones

[woeful lark]

I'll use her in campaign while I'm using meme teams and see if I can figure out anything

[cold dawn]

yeah, sometimes they goes down to 2

or I must be blind

[hollow plume]

if u dont burst for a while i assume

[woeful lark]

Actually, good idea

I'll burst once then not burst anymore

[slender veldt]

the feathers can go down to 1

[woeful lark]

Actually, I just won't burst

[slender veldt]

sky tested them earlier

[autumn kayak]

Maybe its atk times based not duration based

[cold dawn]

drone out of batteries

[woeful lark]

Yup

Lemme count the attacks

[slender veldt]

said it was like 25s for 1st feather to drop then drops faster for each 1

[hollow plume]

Time based

[woeful lark]

Yup, 25s (35s mark)

[orchid fractal]

so every 25s you have to burst once

[woeful lark]

Second dropped at 27s left, so 12.5s

Wait no

Tired brain

8s for second

[plain zinc]

So it's constant shooting?

[cold dawn]

from sky's stream

[woeful lark]

The drones are kind of lazy outside of burst

[frigid wind]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[frigid wind]

But still give quite a nice chunk of burst energy

[woeful lark]

3 attacks in the first 10s

[orchid fractal]

during burst, they shoot around 34 times (but only 31 within FB)

[woeful lark]

3 (4th at last second) in the second 10s

[potent pivot]

this is what isabel was supposed to be

[river tusk]

ein big forehead must pull

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dogs-nikke-gif-27684711

[orchid fractal]

so, each feather shoots around 5 hits per 10s or 1 hit per 2 sec

while out burst, it's 1 hit per 3s

[prisma bridge]

lol he's playing zzz at the same time

[woeful lark]

Then only 2 hits at 3 feathers

Ah no, I'd missed one

Yeah, 1 hit per 3s

[potent pivot]

they should swap ein's and isabel's kit

[frigid wind]

btw what graphic settings are you on? For some reason those 4 drones won't appear on my screen

[woeful lark]

Highest

[regal stratus]

is Ei strong for early and late?

[plain zinc]

Dk

Need to math her bossing first then we worry about campaign

[woeful lark]

She's not feeling very strong in normal campaign for me

[cold dawn]

even Liter got strong competitor in dkw

[woeful lark]

Mod, Red Hood, and Alice are irrelevant for the question of good early or not

Can't assume people have those

[cold dawn]

yeah same, liter mostly on boss only

[woeful lark]

Late, definitely not a campaign unit

S Sakura felt great to use in campaign

[waxen blaze]

Ein first impression seem positive, i'm gonna pull for her i guess

[woeful lark]

although the team comp doesn't help for comfy

[hollow plume]

So does she suck bad in PvP ?

[frigid wind]

Can't test properly on Rookie, the people on my bracket 100k diffs me

[waxen blaze]

Bruh, why i got pilgrims but Ein

120 pull but she's not home yet
my fund for anniv, gone

[limpid crest]

I used 1XX pulls on SAnis and got an Emma and a lot of Mihara

i am broke

[agile linden]

midkura

[wicked marsh]

Is she good?

[limpid crest]

worst SSakura team and saying Midkura

thats so mean

[wicked marsh]

If ever she's good she might replace my Scarlet on my Anis/Doro/Priv team

[agile linden]

zwei will save ein

[wicked marsh]

[limpid crest]

Ein isnt bad

[wicked marsh]

Welp, time to pull then

💳

[agile linden]

she is around scar

[woeful lark]

She's better than Scarlet

[limpid crest]

she is a good b3 in pvp and is better than scarlet

[agile linden]

but you know scar is bottom team 5

[wicked marsh]

I need a Scarlet replacement anyways cuz her goofy ass won't let me get dupes

[woeful lark]

And she doesn't hurt herself!

[wicked marsh]

Also my Doro team is like the bottom of my teams atm

I ain't even joking

[limpid crest]

Imagine having doro

[agile linden]

scar self damage means nothing

you run healers either way

[urban river]

the kek team

[wicked marsh]

She's always like at half health even with my Rem so she always dies first