[Ein] New Unit Megathread

[autumn kayak]

Last kraken dont

[woeful lark]

And Crown's shield has near 100% uptime

We'd need a boss with Stormbringer/Mat H level damage to keep her shield down

[amber cave]

Smart

[woeful lark]

I was more joking though cuz Guillo doesn't have the DPS to be worthy of Crown

For UR, it's totally an option tho

[amber cave]

The problems of RH being one of the best DPS, I can't drop her

[woeful lark]

Someday our SR teams will just be 15 Pilgrims

[prisma bridge]

yeah right

[woeful lark]

I do Helm herself is actually uncomfortable in the swimsuit, so I don't actually like it

[amber cave]

The only reason I skipped SHelm was because of the wet shirt

[woeful lark]

The swimsuit itself sucks

[amber cave]

It's so obviously bland and not fitting for her

[woeful lark]

Same for uncensored Sakura

[amber cave]

Uncensored Rosanna....

The things we'll never be allowed to get

They just removed all the unique details of her design in the uncensor just to show that, yes, she does have large breasts

Just so people can easily see that fact

Anyways, this is off-topic

[woeful lark]

Indeed

But yeah, I like Ein's theming

I was actually afraid she'd be Tetra due to Rei being Tetra

when she completely has the Missilis look

so I was happy there (my gear supplies also were happy about it)

[amber cave]

It just happens to be that she wants to be a designer for Rushae, so she likes Tetra

[woeful lark]

I tend to like yankee characters

[autumn kayak]

Rei defender tetra
Ein attacker missilis
Zwei supporter elysion?
Fuck no we need dps not another support

[amber cave]

I want more content before thinking about more teams

There's no room for anyone anymore

[prisma bridge]

make element boss like destiny child

everyone will have to play

[woeful lark]

That'll be the ultimate endgame probably

[prisma bridge]

20 units of the same ele

[woeful lark]

Biggest thing stopping mono-element teams from happening is the presence of Pilgrims

[prisma bridge]

here you go

[woeful lark]

but if the elemental shielding system expands enough, we could see brute forcing with units like RH and SBS become impossible

Then units like Ein will be true meta

[amber cave]

The "presence of Pilgrims" can just erased by immunity phase triggers that actually take a lot of damage to break

So that you can't break them with supports

[autumn kayak]

More content like coop please
I only want to control 1 nikke

[amber cave]

But that also will never work because there are units, like Ein here, which barely deal damage with their shots

And triggers can't be broken with direct damage to boss

[prisma bridge]

shit teammates ruin coop

oh yeah and world boss

lol

[autumn kayak]

Playing alone still mald too anyway

[woeful lark]

Though right now we don't have enough Pilgrims to prevent a place for elemental DPS, so we're safe for now

Only 3 Pilgrims a year, and no guarantee of DPS

[amber cave]

We would need a new mechanic with a trigger that goes down with all damage taken by the boss, but only from element advantaged Nikkes, to make it work

To be able to kick RH, SBS and the others from being everywhere

[woeful lark]

Or the opposite approach of just scaling up ele %

Cube upgrades are going to do that naturally

There was talk earlier of comparing Ein to Modernia, but Soline outdamaged Modernia in the Grave Digger raid, and look at where Soline usually is Ele % is a huge gamechanger in Nikke

[autumn kayak]

Make it boss deal huge aoe to non ele advantage and scratch only to ele advantage one
Or hell kill at the start of battle non ele advantage nikkes

[amber cave]

Soline outdamaged Modernia? What is this madness

[woeful lark]

Yup

Close range boss

[amber cave]

I've been waiting for Soline to be good for ages, even though she's already been buffed

[autumn kayak]

Soline deal 600-700m
Mod deal 500-550m

[woeful lark]

Only time she ever will, probably

That's why solo raid boss will also be important for determining Ein's fate

[amber cave]

Maybe I need to dump lots of resources into Soline

[woeful lark]

If it actually is Land Eater, without extra DEF▲ gimmicks, I can't see Ein being that relevant

[amber cave]

Don't tell me what to do

[woeful lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091417140076228628/1265300545367969963/image.png?ex=66a10276&is=669fb0f6&hm=bed3fb19f5c728bd99162f1564ff7584aba52436f82660690f210aceb0daeaf3&

Dump resources into Diesel

[amber cave]

Too late, I already did Laplace and Frima first

[autumn kayak]

Reroll your diesel ol again
With treasure still lose cp to soline and priv need more investment dump

[woeful lark]

She only has one OL atm

[amber cave]

Actually yeah that Soline has the highest CP, what's up with that

[woeful lark]

[woeful lark]

4 OL, high skills

[amber cave]

Holy hell

[woeful lark]

+5/+3/+3/+0, 4/7/7

[amber cave]

Impressive

I need to find more people like you so that I can find the courage to do the same

Like my full OL Kilo

[woeful lark]

Nah, don't do it unless you spend a lot

Or if you don't care about high SR scores, I guess

[amber cave]

Not like I'll ever get 3% again

[woeful lark]

Although I still get within top 1% on my meme alt

Good investment + skill is enough if you're not in JP or SEA

[amber cave]

I just suck at the game

[woeful lark]

Ah, lower than I thought

[autumn kayak]

Yea add sea too
3% is madness here eventho 200 are easy lmao

[woeful lark]

Gear exp difficult

I won't be that helpful testing Ein since I won't be able to OL at first

[prisma bridge]

JP/KR/TW/NA

[woeful lark]

Nah, I'm NA and get in top 1% with +5/+5/+5/+0 Signal

[prisma bridge]

yeah sea top 3% is a bloodbath

[woeful lark]

NA is rough in the numerical ranks but casual in %

Ein likely won't be necessary for 1% in NA

[amber cave]

I don't pull dupes for anyone so my Nikkes are weak

[woeful lark]

OL lines are infinitely more important than dupes

A 4x ele % 0/3 DPS will far out-DPS a C7 with no ele %

[amber cave]

I don't know what it is, I just get smol damage

[urban river]

25*

[woeful lark]

Oops, I need sleep

[lusty willow]

It's between -23.5% to -25% ATK due to defense at C7 in solo raid. True damage is the same as awarding you this ATK back, so 70% atk becomes up to 95% effective. DEF is not a multiplicative cut, it's an additive penalty.

[urban river]

3 pilgrim per year

So solo raid full pilgrim around eos

[lusty willow]

I also highly recommend against trying to compare units purely on their self buff merits

Comparing SW against self buffers will always lead to misleading results

[woeful lark]

Mhm

SW without even just Yulha creates a drastic difference in damage potential

[lusty willow]

When evaluating a units dps, you should evaluate multiplier per second and self buffs separately

Multiplier per second indicates how well the character will scale with team + self buffs, self buffs is the guaranteed baseline effectiveness

[plain zinc]

Ahh okok

[lusty willow]

The one thing you can compare more directly is to shove in full burst/core damage multipliers if you assume there is no crit

That part can be integrated into multiplier per s

[plain zinc]

That's what I was trying to do
5000% nuke right? Without any atk buffs

So that's 5000×2 = 10k%?

[lusty willow]

Sure but if it hits core then it's not that simple

[prisma bridge]

yep that's true

and ol lines give a lot of cp

[plain zinc]

Oh, right
True

[lusty willow]

If it hits core then you say 2.5x + 1.5x = 4x if there's no effective range

With effective range on both you say 4.6x

Skill damage only gets 1.5x if it's non initial damage

And if you have doll or Naga you add more core damage to that 4.6x

[plain zinc]

I was trying to keep all those multipliers away cuz then it isn't so easy to calculate for me
I was just gonna wait for her release tbh cuz we dk how her feathers are supposed to work

[lusty willow]

I'm also waiting bc the feather mechanics aren't clear

[woeful lark]

Need to know how much they shoot

[plain zinc]

And how often

[urban river]

[woeful lark]

Er yeah, that's what I meant

[plain zinc]

Cuz to me it feels like some shots may be shot after FB ends

[woeful lark]

bad wording

Burst looks potent, but I'm concerned about her damage otherwise

[prisma bridge]

just assume she has 10 feathers

[woeful lark]

Nah, level 10 skills and the video mechanics pretty much prove that out of burst, we're stuck with four

What that means for damage loss compared to when she's bursting is completely unknown

[lusty willow]

Burst direct damage is weak, the question is mainly when the feathers attack

She basically lives or dies depending on these feather mechanics

[woeful lark]

23 shots in 10s assuming S2 damage an burst's true damage buff would be 3,243% final damage as true damage

but feathers look really lazy outside of burst

[rancid geode]

You know, they should have come up with a better name than just "Feathers" for drones...

[lusty willow]

DRAGOONS

https://tenor.com/view/strike-freedom-gundam-seed-destiny-dragoon-dragoons-gif-2681256672370319346

[rancid geode]

[amber cave]

Time to use her with BSoda to ensure her off-burst time is as high as possible

Maybe Ein should ask Maxwell to upgrade her feathers

[rancid geode]

Maxwell equips wings and Feathers

[dawn sphinx]

She would be SSS with this animation when you are watching her demo you don't feel any power of her feathers

[stable kestrel]

Will land eater mean we won't have to deal with element barrier?

[lusty pine]

What's the Landeater again, SR or UR?

[stable kestrel]

SR
UR version doesn't have it

[final kite]

next sr is landeater?

[sly drum]

we don't know

[still storm]

Wish it's landeater, I wanna jam out to that music again

[lusty pine]

Did we already have a SR Landeater in the past?

Goldfish memory here

All the CoOps, URs, Campaign, Tower, and Event Challenges are a jumble

[still storm]

I think we do? I remember it had an elemental shield (my memory might be mixing this with the UR variant tho)

[lusty willow]

You should never assume an SR boss won't have special mechanics to differentiate it

At this point elemental shields are a staple that hasn't been missing since post-Chatterbox I believe

[oak violet]

Didn't they have ele shields pre CB as well I recall mw having ele shield but no qte and bs/harvester having qte ele shield

I don't recall train or modernia I don't think they did tho

But yea ele shield is basically expected

[plain zinc]

First SR had ele shield

And then second did too

Third didn't

[lusty pine]

Landeater SR had reruns?

I genuinely thought SR bosses haven't had a real rerun yet

Oh wait you were talking about SRs in general, not Landeater only

[plain zinc]

Blacksmith has reran, no other boss

[lusty pine]

😂 He's calibrating his death laser on us

[urban river]

Ohh those raids without shield

Where you needed good healers

[oak violet]

didnt harvester have a sheild?

MW had shield during adds

but no QTE

ya harvester also had a shield during adds with no QTE i think?

alteisen, modernia and ultra didnt have shields

[plain zinc]

Ahh I forgot about it

You just didn't need ele based teams during harvester

But it still had the ele shield

[potent pivot]

so feathers only attack on summon or what?

[regal zodiac]

Gonna have to wait till shes out

[lusty pine]

Was there a combat video already?

I forgot to look at it, off I go

Oh wow

I’m blind

And maybe many others

They already explained what the feathers do

Her attack frequency increases according to the number of Near Feathers.

Since she’s a Sniper Rifle, this means giving her charge speed

Ein is literally self-buffing with everything known to Nikke

For damage, at least

And if the video is to be believed, the 6 gained from burst doesn’t stack with the 4 from battle start

And the 6 disappears after burst ends, going back to 4

And, it looks like the 6 fires sequentially

Because you can see flying feathers during the burst, as if they’re attacking with swoops

Kinda pointless for them to fly around doing nothing for 10 seconds, so it likely is sequential attacking

6 shots over 10 seconds, basically

We still need to know how much charge speed each one gives Ein, assuming it just isn’t dumb description

And we still need to know if during the 6 summoned feathers, if it’s at most 6 or is really 10 (for the increased attack frequency buff part)

[gritty meadow]

is she DoA

ein

[sleek olive]

hmm charge speed debuff like thermite B

or hitrate debuf on Obelisk

[woeful lark]

False

That's bad EN wording

[lusty pine]

RIP

[woeful lark]

If we were getting Charge Speed, we'd see it

Most likely it refers to feather attack rate

[woeful lark]

Also bad EN wording

[orchid fractal]

100% CS 460% CD

Alice could never

[woeful lark]

It's a passive skill. Feathers attack as long as they're summoned (which is minimum four base)

We just have no idea how often they attack

[orchid fractal]

shoot so fast mtf wanna fine me

[limpid crest]

Pull because True Damage team is best team.

No cope no bias

I dont understand her kit at all though :c
EN words everything so weird

[potent pivot]

can you guys get kr/jp translation in here

[woeful lark]

S1:

At the start of battle, affects self:

Deploy 4 Near Feathers
When entering Burst Stage 3, affects self:
ATK up 70.12% [10 second duration]

S2:

If in a state of Near Feathers having been deployed, affects 1 random enemy:

Near Feather Attack: Final ATK 90.81% true damage
When a full charge attack is performed, affects self:
Charge Damage +80% [lasts for 1 shot]

Burst:

Affects self:

Deploy 6 Near Feathers
True Damage Up 55.3% [10 secomd duration]
Charge Damage +140.68% [10 second duration]
Affects 10 enemies with the highest DEF:
300.02% final ATK as true damage

[limpid crest]

Somehow that makes sense

[woeful lark]

I'd hope so. It's not machine translation

[oak violet]

i read it for the first time properly

"when enter burst stage 3" is self burst right?

or is that all bursts

i forget, sneon had one that was self burst and one that was full burst with different wording

[potent pivot]

what's the cd on s2?? ok I have a Near Feather up, then what? everytime ein does a full charge the feathers attack?

[tulip crater]

It's after anyone uses a B2, so she gets the buff before her B3 deals damage, unlike full burst skills

Also triggers before Maxwell's buff selects highest ATK ally

Any B2 except treasured viper that is

[toxic mauve]

lol

[toxic mauve]

This is broken for a standard character

[lusty pine]

Somehow that also didn't help. The S2 has no cooldown listed, so what, every instant or second they fire a shot? And, full burst did deploy 6 feathers (showed 6), then after it ended went back to 4. Still missing crucial information or clarity

So if I have to guess, what's wrong here? The answer is perhaps... S2 meant to say all feathers fire a shot every full charge attack

Which, if is the case, makes Ein a hyper carry thirsting hard for charge speed

[tulip crater]

It said number of feathers affects frequency

So I don't think it'll be related to charge speed

[lusty pine]

What, an unlisted cooldown on the feather attack?

That also makes sense

Bad on ShiftUp though

[tulip crater]

Feather has text to appear when tapped

It'll say something like "deploys one feather every 10/feather seconds"

[lusty pine]

We need to drown ShiftUp with demands for them to show any and all hover text information in kit announcements

Otherwise it's going to be some shady stuff like Liliweiss S2: "Liliweiss will perform SMASH when receiving damage" and the word is orange. Rampant speculation all the way from kit announce to character banner launch.

[tulip crater]

It would be cute if having Isabel in the team gave her +5 "feathers"

[lusty pine]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1047834285287166013/threads/1265555996957212692

Upvote and save our future cooks

[heavy sparrow]

Hmmm I might skip since I already have Laplace with fav doll and Maxwell

Seems her kits is mostly focused on mobs rather than solo boss

[tulip crater]

It's only her burst which suffers against solo boss, similar to OG Scarlet's kit

[heavy sparrow]

Now the real question if that kit works in pvp too

Are five Nikkes considered “enemy units”?

[woeful lark]

Isn't listed

That's the very information we're waiting on through testing

[woeful lark]

I don't think a cooldown is listed because the feathers are floating around all the time. Info is probably either not stated or in the tooltip

Worst cade scenario is that they only fire once per two bursts, which would make her worse than Trony

[lusty pine]

What’s the actual wording?

For that part that said attack frequency in the update notes

[rare vine]

Before burst

[delicate halo]

Ein is a dogs name

[woeful lark]

Just attack frequency

Not "hers"

Attack frequency wouldn't even make sense to use over charge speed Just quickfire for higher attack frequency

[limpid crest]

thats mean :c

dont say that about Ein

[crude breach]

Is she any good

[woeful lark]

Need testing to know

Kit doesn't provide critical info we need

[lyric vault]

We should have a rough idea once the datamine is out

[woeful lark]

I don't think so Datamining generally doesn't give us super specific details about how kits function

That stuff is figured out through testing

[lyric vault]

I meant mostly the numbers

As to what would be the optimal way of playing her yes, that'd be up for test

[rigid elm]

number is not that impressive, so it's all depend on the drone's attack frequency now

[tranquil iris]

I hate splitscaling bullshit like this

[woeful lark]

Numbers are through testing I've never seen datamining pull detailed numbers like the rate at which the drones are going to fire

[agile linden]

if they explained drones we could have

[ebon marten]

I see this thread doesn't have a pin yet,
any consensus on Ein and her place in the meta?

[agile linden]

because of the drones we can't lab out the char

we don't know whats their attack interval and how they scale off from their counts

[regal galleon]

basically if the drones fire a lot she’s good if they dont she’s bad

just test her in shooting range after the patch and see

[prisma bridge]

we can't do feelcrafting

[dawn sphinx]

tldr: we are just waiting the release of the unit in game to see how she performs
A good summary

[ebon marten]

the description doesn't give clear info on how Near Feather works
and that's like 70% of her kit

and due to her massive self ATK buff on S1 and 1sec fast reload time
Ein doesn't benefit much from pairing with SAnis

nothing more from me, I'll wait

[prisma bridge]

[woeful lark]

I should be on break right when patch is out and plan to pull her, so I'll be around to quickly report findings

Should have enough mats without opening crates to 7/7/7

Not enough gear exp to OL though, so don't expect damage reports from me immediately

(damaged can be paper math'd out, anyway)

[still storm]

near feather seems to be just a one time thing nuke that regens at the start of the battle and every burst?

[ebon marten]

speculation
permanently 4, and 4+6 during burst

[limpid crest]

perma 4. 6 during burst

not 10

[urban river]

Yeah kit translation sucks

[woeful lark]

Might be 10 with levels

We don't know yet

Video footage is 1/1/1, so, if additional feathers scale from +2 base to +6 max, we could see 10 feathers

If the feathers disappeared after attacking, then it would be safer to assume 6 at burst, but she always has four feathers base

[still storm]

when near feather count reaches 20, ein will release an insta kill nuke that deals 1000000% damage based on your final attack to all enemies

[neat island]

Pet-o in japanese

[delicate halo]

Theres a nikke named zwei?

[noble shoal]

Yea, I'm expecting her to be playable

[regal galleon]

she only has 4 fingers on each hand

[wicked marsh]

Any evaluations on her so far?

[wicked marsh]

God I hope she's good so I can justify my impulsive pulling

[still storm]

she'll probably be decent? kit seems to be all about nuking

[ebon marten]

not a translation error
I always cross reference different languages
just a trash skill description

[urban river]

Damn worse than expected

[rigid elm]

Skill level are at 10 in kit description

[regal galleon]

demos are at 1/1/1

[rigid elm]

i was refer to the number of feathers

they might increase atk spd with increase level, we dont know that yet

[regal galleon]

they were referring to the total feathers being 10…

i was also referring to the number of feathers

[rigid elm]

ah okay my bad then

my eyes aren't what it used to be after 1.5 years play Nikke

[regal galleon]

[wintry rampart]

And I can insert 4 fingers too

[regal galleon]

[wintry rampart]

[rancid geode]

Prediction: hold up the pull until whale finish Ein.

[woeful lark]

Skill level is 6 in skill description

There's no clear indicator if 4 and 6 are additive or not

Hopefully it is, but there's the possibility she just changeds to six summoned during burst and the other stats are what scale

If they want her to sell well for solo raid, she better get 10

[orchid fractal]

even if it's 10, I don't think it will be anything impressive

[urban river]

https://tenor.com/view/are-ya-winning-son-gif-18099517

How is the cook going?

[woeful lark]

If it's better than Maiden and more reliable than Guillotine, she's a winner in my books

That's the standard she needs to beat

[agile linden]

I know I'm coping but saying it won't be impressive with 0 info

is just...

[woeful lark]

It's not zero info. Just incomplete info

[agile linden]

her kit is drones and we don't know what they do

[woeful lark]

Her normal attack DPS is already able to be calulated, and we know how much damage the drones deal

Just don't know how many times they fire

[agile linden]

and one might say the s2 is just a damage on summon, they might have another attack modifier

for themselfs

[woeful lark]

Not too difficult to run hypothetical numbers on what RoF of 10 drones would need to beat to compete with Pilgrims

I think she'll definitely have niche use like Overclock where enemy DEF is inflated

but when considering a collab in four weeks, pulling now on a standard unit isn't too attractive, putting her at a disadvantage

In the case of a friend of mine, the question is S Anis/S Helm or Ein

Ein would have to be crazy strong to take priority over S Anis

[rare vine]

Nah, Gatrix doesnt want to datamine for us

I wont do analysis too

[urban river]

They attack

[agile linden]

wow genius

[orchid fractal]

9:30

meeting till 11:30

lunch break

14h meeting till 18h

and dude said why I didn't do stuff for him

[frigid wind]

Who pulling?

[rigid elm]

dont know who's pulling, i'm not pulling out

[frigid wind]

[rancid geode]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-fbiopenup-carlwhitman-gif-19586039

[woeful lark]

I'll pull when updated

Oh wait, one more hour... I'm an idiot

Timed break wrong

[agile linden]

starts waiting faster

[torn nest]

hope it's a trap

[agile linden]

I want my summoner dps to be goood

🙏

[neat island]

juvenile is crazy. i'm good.

[agile linden]

@woeful lark servers up

[hallow grove]

i count 30+ drone shots in 1 burst
that's definitely viable in S.R

[agile linden]

bro...

just say the numbers

wtf

[hallow grove]

eh im doing sloppy math but

her damage is on par with sakura in a vacuum with no team burst

[agile linden]

shooting range auto alice and no burst mod with 1 full cycle

[hallow grove]

but sakura has no self atk buff right? so sakura is stronger with OL and team

[agile linden]

so its like 75% of alice ?

[hallow grove]

idk

40 shots Alice is higher ofc

if there's core or pierce

[prisma bridge]

Lol

[agile linden]

so thats the full 3 mins of scuffed shooting range

drones seems ok

[hallow grove]

80% of 40 shots Alice in vacuum

[agile linden]

that seems decent

ngl

[hallow grove]

with no core no pierce

[prisma bridge]

Is this no ol no burst

[agile linden]

I mean its scuffed I know its just reference to start with

because we know shit about the drones

[agile linden]

no ol bursted with ein and alice

[hallow grove]

that's literally scopelock

what else do you want lol

[stone raptor]

Wait Sky full test and review

[agile linden]

no scope

auto yeah

trying to see raw numbers

[hallow grove]

drone attacked like 4-5 times off-burst in 10 sec

[rancid geode]

Ein's OL would be generic atk and element, she primary depend on Feathers

[agile linden]

we can assume alice damage from auto anyways

[prisma bridge]

Even with manual my alice will still weaker with my boomer hand

[hallow grove]

we can just calculate lol

[agile linden]

how do I calc the damage from levels

[hallow grove]

from what

[agile linden]

I want to scale up the lvl200 free one to my 280

its just attack but idk where to find att scaking for levels

[hallow grove]

alice damage is easy to calc tho

just

[agile linden]

do we have that chart

[hallow grove]

40 shots X her atk X charge damage

[final kite]

idk what to say

[hallow grove]

ein is good leggoo

[final kite]

it's uhh

[prisma bridge]

Hmm

[agile linden]

litterallly "uhh" unit

[final kite]

idk

[prisma bridge]

Not bad unit

[hallow grove]

you should use Admi to simulate ammo OL

[agile linden]

at least we know its not trony bad

[final kite]

it's either ein is good or scar is mid

[hallow grove]

is 1.5x scar dmg not enough lol

but i recommend you use admi there

[agile linden]

no ol's tho

maybe around 1.2-1.3 scar

[rigid elm]

dwife buff Ein a bit with sniper shot

[quartz yacht]

4/4/4 lv5 manu

[agile linden]

she doesn't have a pierce buff

dwife buffs attacks with "pierce" property not sr's

[tidal cove]

How does she perform with Clay?

[rigid elm]

ah okay

[agile linden]

clay mentioned

[quartz yacht]

you brick your team the moment you put clay in

[tidal cove]

Damn, I guess even the true damage dealer doesn't help her

[frigid wind]

She good?

[prisma bridge]

Clay is hot

[woeful lark]

How are burst number of drones?

[autumn kayak]

They buff clay
Change the skill desc only lmao not the numbers

[prisma bridge]

But her number is sad

[woeful lark]

6 base and scaling to 10?

Always 6?

[agile linden]

btw 6 drones max

starts with +6 I think in burst

[fallow stirrup]

between 4 and 6 most of the time

[prisma bridge]

Only 6 at lv10?

[hallow grove]

142% of scarlet

[frigid wind]

[hallow grove]

should be higher after OL cuz ein has less atk self buff

[woeful lark]

Ah yeah, just got her and levelled burst to 7

It's bad EN as expected

[agile linden]

bad en

[prisma bridge]

So only 6

[woeful lark]

But yeah, I'll work on calculating drone RoF at 1/1/1 and 7/7/7 when I get home in two hours

[hallow grove]

1.42 scarlet is viable

[agile linden]

so I have to pull for her

[autumn kayak]

Yea at least she decent

[agile linden]

and sanis

[woeful lark]

Ssems like she's healthy so far tho

[agile linden]

[autumn kayak]

Totally useable

[woeful lark]

We knew she'd be decent cuz raid feature

Question is which SR team she deserves

[fallow stirrup]

anything with summer anis i suppose ?

[frigid wind]

Is she good enough to cover my Scarletless ass?

[agile linden]

ok the banner is doomed and blessed

[hallow grove]

liter blanc noir ein modernia
and doro marciana scarlet sanis priv

[agile linden]

got noah and punzel but she took 50 to get home

[fallow stirrup]

i think same typing Eins is better

[jaunty timber]

1/1/1 ein after 1 full burst

[fallow stirrup]

well for boss

[jaunty timber]

Absolute frima treasure w

[fallow stirrup]

healer as well flex B3 slot

[jaunty timber]

Yeah im thinking rapunzel there

Frima is 1/5/5 btw

Phase 3

Im resetting 2B

[lusty pine]

Ein mechanic is cool as heck

I’m stomping normal with her taking point just goofing off

[frigid wind]

Fuck it I'm pulling

[lusty pine]

She’s doing triple the dmg of Red Hood on normal because her drones are killing everything before RH can shoot once, rofl

Not important stuff but funny

[hallow grove]

yeah if you build Ein then u can just throw Scarlet under the bus for raid from now on

but use both for electric raid obv

[fallow stirrup]

yea she raid much better than Scarlet

and being charge, better energy generation

[lusty pine]

(And cool drones)

[fallow stirrup]

and looks cool

[lilac trout]

her drones also give energy

[lusty pine]

Seems they really wanted to “fix things” for Vesti mechanics

[autumn kayak]

Scarlet burst need to change to be relevant in pve

[lusty pine]

And this resulted in Ein

[jaunty timber]

Scarlet treasure when

She's benched

[fallow stirrup]

what is laplace investment here

[lusty pine]

Scarlet did well

[jaunty timber]

5/5/5

[lusty pine]

She lasted 1 year and 9 months or so

[jaunty timber]

4 OL

[lusty pine]

True warrior

[jaunty timber]

50% ele, not having treasure yet

[foggy veldt]

True dmg team is here
Frima Ein Zwei Laplace B1 new SR team 5

[lusty pine]

Marciana taught her well

[autumn kayak]

Zwei good cdr please

Or healer that hit hard lmao

[lusty pine]

Zwei doesn’t look like a healer at all

[lilac trout]

she looks like a dps

[lusty pine]

She basically screams attacker for now

[frigid wind]

ok I got her

in 40 pulls

[foggy veldt]

True dmg buffer

[frigid wind]

along with Clay

[lusty pine]

Not bad. 20 for me

[frigid wind]

Nice

[lusty pine]

It’s a relief

Last time it was 190 for 1 copy

[frigid wind]

I had to pull tbh

I have been Scarletless for too long

[cold dawn]

scarlet demoted to PVP only

[frigid wind]

I need something other than S. Anis as my electric dps

Guillotine is just for tower shenanigans

She's too risky for raids

[lusty pine]

Who do I bench for Ein in Missilis Tower?

[cold dawn]

now Dorovaty SAnis team has Ein as burst gen

[jaunty timber]

Kilo

[lusty pine]

Maxwell or Laplace?

[jaunty timber]

Or laplap

[cold dawn]

Missilis tower is fixed with lap treasure

[jaunty timber]

You need that one hit kill and someone who clear the way for her

[burnt schooner]

scope lock, fire weak, full auto

time to start trolling

[rare vine]

Scarlet is not rip

She will be used with her and SAmis

[fallow stirrup]

and just eins ans summer anis burst instead

[rare vine]

And Frima

[fallow stirrup]

scarlet is the flex

[fallow stirrup]

basically this + Scarlet

[lusty pine]

As intended when melee Nikkes were manufactured and tested

[foggy veldt]

that flex spot is for zwei

[jaunty timber]

Ehhh

Can frima heal tho

[fallow stirrup]

and summer anis instead of lapalce

[rare vine]

Nah

[lusty pine]

Surprisingly a good healer but takes manual I think. She’s like Noise

[rare vine]

Laplace out, SAnis in, Scarlet in

Laplace move

[cold dawn]

or use Exia treasure for ultimate electric team

[lusty pine]

If she spams shots she doesn’t heal much. Her burst is a heal I think

[fallow stirrup]

yea.. i inda said that myself lol

[jaunty timber]

So frima can only buff ein?

[rare vine]

Laplace will move idk where

[jaunty timber]

Damn im not really into manualling

[fallow stirrup]

dosnt her burst heals also

need to check

[jaunty timber]

Phone user lazy me

[lusty pine]

If the need for heal is only light, can just let Frima auto and use the heal from burst only

[kind sandal]

Probably not the most optimal team but

[quartz yacht]

liter and anis is a brick

[celest elk]

why not use crown b2?

[jaunty timber]

I should have laplap treasure ready by this SR

[hallow grove]

it's to simulate scarlet ammo OL

in that team scarlet attacks 70-90 hits/ burst

[lusty pine]

Boss fight time!

61m Ein, 1/1/1 T9Ms
63m Red Hood 10/10/10 OLs

Normal and was a stomp of Crystal Chamber

[charred sky]

wow

[jaunty timber]

The future is here

[agile linden]

chamber is tanky af

understandable

[charred sky]

luckily im almost 1k gold tickets so not worried

[lilac trout]

btw does she has a cap on her feathers?

[stone raptor]

No place in UR

[lusty pine]

To be fair, Red Hood only got through half her burst. Boss died

But still nailed three pillars doing it

[agile linden]

doesn't ein take scars place on that team

[fallow stirrup]

use both

og scar is the flex slot here

tripple burst 3 setup is possible

[lusty pine]

sleepy

like Frima

[neat island]

should i put my mats to sanis or ein?

[agile linden]

so... what did they changed on frima skills

[neat island]

can only max out one damn

[jaunty timber]

She now provides true damage buff

[fallow stirrup]

True damage

quite a chun too

[jaunty timber]

S2 and burst are the main focus imo

[agile linden]

I meant this

[jaunty timber]

Eh the effects remain the same

Nothing to worry about

[frigid wind]

I need rocks

can't full OL

[autumn kayak]

Need gear exp
Can only ol 1/4 now

[rare vine]

Someone pls confirm if Near Feather is tauntable in PvP

[hallow grove]

no

[stuck prawn]

She's good, right?

[agile linden]

she loses drones by time

and 1 is minimum

[stuck prawn]

I feel like this by itself is enough to make her in the top 25% of of attackers lmao

[limpid crest]

<.<

[stuck prawn]

Team blonde lol

Miranda is an Honorary Blonde

[agile linden]

2:33 2:27 2:21 is the time she loses each feather from s1

[hallow grove]

top 25% doesnt say anything ....

[stuck prawn]

It's one skill out of her whole kit

not even her burst

[agile linden]

her drones give burst gen

so pvp viable ?

[stuck prawn]

huge if true

[rare vine]

It is

[hallow grove]

i said no i aint confirming it

[agile linden]

s1 scaling feels low

so budged build is 4-7-7 or something

[balmy plume]

Hmm

How is she tho ?

Overall

[agile linden]

feathers are whack they have duraitons appearantly which it states nowhere

so wait a bit

[jaunty timber]

She's great

[balmy plume]

[azure sapphire]

did someone test if her burst hits 10x vs boss?

[jaunty timber]

Make good use of sanis's electric buff

[agile linden]

max 6 drones

[stuck prawn]

I think she's gonna see SR play. It might only be vs elec weak, but we'll see. Possible chance BIS for tower climbing. I also predict that true damage is going to become more important by the end of the year and her status will get a big boost from that.

[agile linden]

minimum is 1

[balmy plume]

[hallow grove]

it doesnt

[rare vine]

Ein is just 2B in PvP but scales off ATK

[azure sapphire]

oh

[rare vine]

And is better 2B

[hallow grove]

her burst gen is fine ish
better than SG mag
worst than SG clip

[azure sapphire]

that 10 hit burst was the only saving grace

she is mid I guess

[hallow grove]

so can the drones be taunt? @rare vine

[rare vine]

?

[rare vine]

Yes.

[hallow grove]

shame

[stuck prawn]

I think, at the minimum, we will eventually see a meta "true damage" team sorta like we saw a shotgun team with bunny soda, and Ein will have a place in it. That assumes that the devs don't introduce some kind of mechanic or something that boosts TD's usefulness (like the way elemental shields require you to have at least one unit of a particular element, for example), in which case she 100% gets play.

[agile linden]

can she be sub gen for burst with drones ?

[azure sapphire]

she is definitely an upgrade for missilis tower

[neat island]

is her burst gen like nihilister?

[rare vine]

Someone claims 1.5 standard SR approximately

[agile linden]

maybe on the sanis team

🤔

[waxen blaze]

She seem promising

[hallow grove]

worst than clip SG

[urban river]

Midhood

[agile linden]

sneon is broken

nerf pls

[lusty pine]

Final boss of Normal atm, Ein bursted first. RH killed with burst. 1/1/1 Ein, T9Ms, vs Max RH

[unique tundra]

that's one well-raised SNeon

[hallow grove]

where tf is sakura

on the bench

who even built her?

[agile linden]

sr teams ?

I think you do sg bunnies once again

and fit in sw

[autumn kayak]

Just realize we dont have any good b1 elec

[agile linden]

also ein on sanis team

[hallow grove]

you dont need to do SG bunnies

[cold dawn]

ein on sanis, scarlet back to old bunnies with mod

[hallow grove]

leona is SG buffer

unless you do SG bunnies
Liter Rossanna Ein Maxwell Mod

but ein steal maxwell buff both burst

[hallow grove]

no

[onyx reef]

while the drone give burst gen, but the first drone shoot after 5s for some reason, so cant rely her for burst gen in pvp i guess

[cold dawn]

I guess so, Scar needs the reload more so she canstay with sanis and priv,
Ein can do auto, so might just give her max ammo roll and stay with bunnies for ammo up

[final kite]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/112124642
TLDR
7/7/7 for minimum
estimated power in doro sanis priv team = around 1.05~1.12 scarlet

[urban river]

So, mid

[sly drum]

wishlist unit

[hallow grove]

just gonna stick with liter blanc noir mod ein

[final kite]

yes scarlet is now mid

[urban river]

Mid better than bad

[final kite]

so ein looks clearly bis in elec raid and we'll see after that

[hallow grove]

yeah i guess 7/7/7 with some basic OL will do

4 rocks 7/7/7

[limpid crest]

Ill probably 10/7/7 and see from there

[rare vine]

SG not viable next raid

[frigid wind]

Yes

[foggy veldt]

Just when I invested tove and soda

[hallow grove]

what's next raid

[rare vine]

We suspect long range

[foggy veldt]

Long Range, good
for
snipe

[hallow grove]

what about long range?

my SG is long range

if next raid is fire, i slot in drake

[crisp bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

how many Hitrate do you have on that baby from OL

[hallow grove]

32% or so

[crisp bane]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-американскийпсихопат-кристианбейл-american-psychopath-christian-bale-gif-17867735

[agile linden]

sg ? more like mg

[hallow grove]

if i slot in drake then dont need to use hit rate cube

[agile linden]

I'm pretty sure next raid is ele weak

[hallow grove]

then SG team still strong with priv

[neat island]

are we definitely seeing ein be used for this raid?

[hallow grove]

100%

[burnt schooner]

this is Ein thread

[neat island]

hows her damage compared to laplace

maybe is about time to replace her

for missiles

[urban river]

Who is Cooking?

[hallow grove]

i still dont know how laplace works

[neat island]

[urban river]

No sCOpE

[hallow grove]

standard team

sbs team kinda sus

[urban river]

Who is cooking Ein's dmg

[hallow grove]

i got no other electric to fit in

[agile linden]

assumed ele weak raid with qte

[hallow grove]

and my SBS and Alice gonna have higher attack than her

[urban river]

So 1-1 red hood, got it

[hallow grove]

so i think it's pretty safe

[orchid fractal]

what's her interval

just finish long ass meeting

fml

I should quit this job

[agile linden]

31-34 hits on burst

3 sec on off burst

[hallow grove]

her drones attack 30+ hit on burst

[orchid fractal]

see, I don't think it affects anything

Noah gen normal burst

only 1/2 dmg

[rare vine]

And 1/2 burst then

🤔

[frigid wind]

The drones can also crit

[fallen onyx]

What does Ein want for Cube?

[frigid wind]

I went with Adjutant

[fallen onyx]

ok ty

[agile linden]

anything with high ele damage tbh

[hallow grove]

wait is higher level cube implemented yet?

[urban river]

So nobody pulled for her?

[hallow grove]

what's the new cube effect then

[urban river]

wanna see numbers

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shake-gif-19831790

[agile linden]

chill, reseting sb for mats

[urban river]

Scope...

[hallow grove]

oh i reset miranda yulha

[urban river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shake-gif-19831790

[hallow grove]

yes

and

not gonna be using them till iron raid

[agile linden]

NO WAY

I'M OUT OF CREDITS

[frigid wind]

Full Auto 9-7-8, 2 OL(out of rocks) with one ammo and atk line

vs Water boss btw

[hallow grove]

i wanted to OL my leona but guess ein first

[rare vine]

Resilience

[frigid wind]

I say this is worth it for my Scarletless ass

[fallen onyx]

[agile linden]

hmm

non ele adv

[rare vine]

Someone test this

[agile linden]

full atuo

[rare vine]

And screenshot

Frima Dolla Ein SAnis Scarlet

[agile linden]

7-7-7 with 1 att lin

[neat island]

does ein wants to full charge all the time?

[rare vine]

[neat island]

after a near feather is summoned

and bursting

[woeful lark]

September

[frigid wind]

I dun have Scarlet

[neat island]

what boss element?

[agile linden]

boss is water weak

none of them has ele adv

aka fire boss

she is almost equal to mod I guess

might be

[subtle crown]

23%ele dmg

she actully working

wtf how

[royal spruce]

7/7/7 4x ele OL no dupes vs lightning weak boss

[agile linden]

another full auto

yeah, she is mod that needs to burst

[charred sky]

" I wish ein is bad , need to pull for sanis"

well well LUL

[agile linden]

pulled both

[rare vine]

So weak

[rare vine]

So strong

Whats the difference

[iron sluice]

Guys so

Pull for her

Or not?

[agile linden]

wdym

elaborate a bit

[rare vine]

She is strong in ur example

[tranquil iris]

3 days later sky will rec that she's a must pull

[subtle crown]

what's your stats

[agile linden]

she is equal to sanis in that comp too

whats the sanis/mod %

oh that

idk

[subtle crown]

what's your ein stats

[agile linden]

I mean its 1 att roll vs 2 att rolls

mod has 2

[tranquil iris]

I need to remind you guys again that mod's dps in guild shooting is inflated

because of 100% exposed core

[subtle crown]

i mean dups? skill ?

[agile linden]

oh 7-7-7 no dupes

[subtle crown]

daafuq

[agile linden]

no

10-10-7

[subtle crown]

oh okay

[royal spruce]

my sanis has no elemental tho but 4x atk kekw

but mlb

[agile linden]

sbs has 3 att

also its full auto so mod just stop shooting when boss jumps

[final kite]

hmmmmmmm

idk if I wanna go further than 7/7/7

or should

[agile linden]

idk if she is better than scar

maybe if you're whale enough test 10-10-10 then reset if you stilll have one left

[final kite]

so far there are two things to be considered

one is that she has a potential to be a better dps than scarlet in elec raid and the other is she won't be used much outside elec raid unlike bsoda

[winged cobalt]

should I pull for AnisSS or Ein?

[final kite]

if you don't have sanis go for her rn

and forget ein

[winged cobalt]

nice, got her one the first 10x

[wanton talon]

[agile linden]

from sky's stream

exia umh

[sly drum]

got it, pull exxxia

[agile linden]

1-1-1

testing for 5 work days

ong

[sly drum]

what's the point of this edging?

the fuck

[limpid crest]

I like this idea

he should do that

[agile linden]

thats why his stats comes out right tho

at least he is not posting a vid 10 mins after banner drops

[limpid crest]

ok?

[agile linden]

and says "must pull xxx killer"

[limpid crest]

oh no someone does more testing in order to make sure its all correct and not misleading? I see no problem

you want it to be a minute after banner drops?

[agile linden]

but to be fair he proceeds really slow

[celest elk]

extra info is nice but i prefer someone test main dish first...

[agile linden]

he can't go back to main dish

[final kite]

any vids saying xxx is a must pull are all scam

[frigid wind]

[limpid crest]

wdym

Neon is must pull

[autumn kayak]

Really meta tho
Element right
But not the chara itself but cause of ol

[agile linden]

I mean, neon is like modernia

[woeful lark]

The right isn't wrong

Bursting with either is bad

[agile linden]

and they shaped the end game meta by bein bait before sanis

[limpid crest]

[woeful lark]

Okay, let's see how far I can invest in Ein

[iron sluice]

Dropped 18k on her and nothing

While Sanis came in 10x

[limpid crest]

you are playing a gambling game

what do you want

[iron sluice]

I wish my acc wasn't so cursed

[sleek olive]

how's the verdict?

[frigid wind]

She's good for my Scarletless butt

[woeful lark]

Scarlet is dead

[frigid wind]

[woeful lark]

(aside from PvP)

[sleek olive]

so must pull?

[frigid wind]

Yes, especially with xAnne and Rosanna

[woeful lark]

If you care about this coming solo raid, yes

[autumn kayak]

If ein this good but meanwhile zwei so bad then Ingrid really should just getting replaced

[woeful lark]

Otherwise, she's not limited, so you could just wait for spook

[sleek olive]

zwei hmm

i cannot saying for now

[fast salmon]

i just woke up, is ein good?

[limpid crest]

ye

[woeful lark]

Not Ingrid's fought Zwei was released off-raid

Ein is new Drunklet

Drunklet but doesn't kill her liver

[fast salmon]

how do the feathers even work

[frigid wind]

Yes

[frigid wind]

Well, think of it as summons

[woeful lark]

They just zoom around and shoot stuff

[frigid wind]

like a diff unit

[clever ledge]

is she a must pull?

[woeful lark]

It's Vesti's burst

[fast salmon]

ok

[sleek olive]

missilist at least has decent dps besides Matis

[limpid crest]

extra AI units

[frigid wind]

They shoot more on burst

[woeful lark]

Must pull for hardcore raiders

[sleek olive]

need broken favourite item

[frigid wind]

The drones also give extra burst charge

[fast salmon]

is it worth using her on true dmg comp or is she just gonna replace scarlet

[tulip crater]

summons are still random during burst thoughm unlike AI units who focus your crosshair, right?

[woeful lark]

For those who care about collabs, not a must pull

especially if F2P

[frigid wind]

Since this is confirmed, Imma try it out on pvp later

and use her as a battery

[limpid crest]

1 RL team will one day be real

[tulip crater]

I mean a RL should still give more battery

[frigid wind]

Imma try her on my Rosanna comp

[fast salmon]

well time to do like 30 pulls on ein banner

[celest elk]

except pilgrim banner

[woeful lark]

Nah

Pulling is bad

Use mileage

[tulip crater]

This is my plan

[final kite]

end game meta

[cold dawn]

milage first on pilgrim, if good, proceed to empty gem stashes

[frigid wind]

Can't call it gambling if it's guaranteed

[woeful lark]

Pull on S Anis, mileage on Anachiro

(or pull on collab for those who care)

[tulip crater]

why use mileage or crystals when you can gamble it all on wishlist

[frigid wind]

out of all the collab units only Emilia did some service to my account until now

[tulip crater]

Rem & 2B are useful for element-weak raids, but yeah Emilia is the only actually viable kit

[brave spruce]

like modernia pull pull pull pull core 7 that shit 🗣️ 🔥

[tulip crater]

Power dead in a ditch

[tranquil iris]

who>

[tulip crater]

I still see Makima in PvP sometimes

[frigid wind]

I rarely see her on my bracket these days

SBS shits on her

[woeful lark]

Rem is more viable than Emilia outside of PvP

[final kite]

he's telling the truth tho

[woeful lark]

Also, A2 is very helpful for certain campaign missions

[frigid wind]

Emilia is also viable in Hard Mode

[woeful lark]

So is Rem

[brave spruce]

anyways hows ein

[frigid wind]

Oh

[frigid wind]

She's good for my Scarletless butt

So yeah

[tulip crater]

what RL is Rem supporting? Treasure Laplace? Emilia?

[rancid geode]

Hmm, so between Ein and Sanis, which banner better?

[woeful lark]

SBS, Laplace+, A2, Emilia I guess

[autumn kayak]

Obviously anis

[woeful lark]

Emilia's never worked in hard campaign for me, but

[rare vine]

Zwei is surely b2 dmg buffer

[tulip crater]

Emilia in hard you need to manual so you can abandon her burst when necessary

if you don't have time to charge just spam shots after burst and her normals still get the same range buff

[woeful lark]

although technically any unit is viable in campaign if you wait fast enough

[limpid crest]

Cdub

[frigid wind]

Just spam shots

[autumn kayak]

What if shes attacker
What buff that need rocket charge in the burst

[frigid wind]

use burst to screen wipe

[rare vine]

No we know she is support

[fast salmon]

zwei is gonna be the b2 true dmg comp is missing

[rare vine]

B3 support maybe

[plain zinc]

@rare vine gimme breakdown on math

[tulip crater]

CDR B2 lets gooooooooo

[limpid crest]

Quiry

[plain zinc]

How does near feather work

[limpid crest]

:)

[autumn kayak]

Yea supporter but why she need to charge and change weapon in her burst