[Ein] New Unit Megathread

[amber cave]

Her potential is basically resting on the feathers attacking with true damage, which is confusing

[woeful lark]

"pretty weak" compared to Red Hood and co

[agile linden]

depends on how frequent the feathers are

[rare vine]

No, actually most units

[amber cave]

Her charge damage buffs aren't gonna do much without charge rate up

[woeful lark]

lol

[rare vine]

Even weaker than S. Sakura

[woeful lark]

Still comparing to a strong unit

[final kite]

rn it's hard to tell

[woeful lark]

How about comparing her to the units sh'es actually competing with?

[final kite]

until there are enough test cases

[hallow grove]

if her feathers attacks like 30 times per burst at lvl 10 it's viable

[woeful lark]

Call her weak compared to Maiden

[final kite]

and that ain't in shooting range

[tulip crater]

I still reckon OG Scarlet is her actual comparison benchmark

[autumn kayak]

Just give us near feather description lmao
Its orange text right

[woeful lark]

Scarlet is best comparison, yeah

or Guillo

Safe to say she's not replacing Scarlet

[amber cave]

If she doesn't outDPS Guillotine, I'll actually be surprised

[orchid fractal]

I think her attack is 3s per shot

so 10s FB = 3 x 6 = 18 only

[final kite]

and the best description for comparison is that she's scarlet that doesn't hurt herself

[hallow grove]

surely 10x3 at lvl 10 skill

[orchid fractal]

[tulip crater]

If nothing else she doesn't need protection like Scarlet or Guillo

[agile linden]

I wonder if she summons up to 6 or +6

[hallow grove]

[woeful lark]

23 shots during full burst

[tulip crater]

I don't think it is tbh

[agile linden]

it can be just 6 droness

[woeful lark]

including the last 2.6 seconds in KR vid

[agile linden]

and it would be ez skip

[rare vine]

OG Scarlet is no longer a comparison benchmark

Please stop

[woeful lark]

Yes she is

[rare vine]

Shes already borderline replaceable

She is only here cus of SAnis

[woeful lark]

Not for electric raids

[hallow grove]

yes she is

[rare vine]

SAnis gone, shes gone

[woeful lark]

Think of the context

lol

[rare vine]

Nah, use Modernia better

[woeful lark]

Nihilister had extremely high usage during Wind Bringer and is otherwise non-existent

Modernia is fire element

They aren't comparable

[rare vine]

Gatrix also used Modernia recently iirc then went back to Scarlet

If we are talking about ELEMENT advantage

[hallow grove]

cuz last raid still use scarlet

[rare vine]

Then any units designed for that ELEMENT

Will work

[woeful lark]

Generalized DPS comparisons are only useful if a unit looks to be extrmely powerful

[rare vine]

But its pointless

[woeful lark]

Ein is not that

The question is how worthwhile to pull/invest for solo raid is she

She's not limited

People who don't care about solo raid should skip and wait for collab

[final kite]

I don't think this discussion is to be sorting out the best of the best for single team

[woeful lark]

Exactly

[amber cave]

I don't have burst manuals, that alone is probably enough to convince me to skip

[rare vine]

Because Scarlet + SAnis is a broken combo.

[woeful lark]

Is she S Neon tier, 2B tier, M Priv tier, or meta

That's the question, really

[hallow grove]

ein is electric too

[rare vine]

Even at Scarlet 1:1, she doesnt synergize that well with SAnis.

[woeful lark]

S Neon: unsusable
2B: only shows up as T4/T5 in her elemental raid
M Priv: potential to become mainline meta with specific comp

[tulip crater]

I think she's got a good chance at slotting into Doro/B2/S.Anis/Ein/Priv

As a general-use SR team, replacing Scarlet. Especially if it's a boss where Scarlet's low health requires B2 being e.g. Marciana instead of Rosanna

[cold dawn]

desperately need that b2 cdr healer

[final kite]

poor sneon

[rare vine]

Sure, if she is 1.5 Scarlet.

She does replace Scarlet.

[hallow grove]

still good atk buff brotha

[amber cave]

Scarlet's main DPS issue is having to reload, which S.Anis helps with, Ein doesn't really work the same

[woeful lark]

Even if she's 1:1, if she allows for the reduction of a healer from the team, that's inherent damage gain

[rare vine]

How much is Scarlet dmg/sec?

[woeful lark]

Rosanna + Ein > Marciana + Scarlet if they're 1:1 alone

[hallow grove]

why

[tulip crater]

Yeah this is my logic

[rare vine]

324% per second.

[tulip crater]

Which is why we need feather details to now how she compares to OG Scarlet

Both on and off burst

[rare vine]

Ein is 324% per 1.3s too in Full Burst huh

[amber cave]

I'm not seeing the feathers attacking frequently enough to get close to Scarlet's DPS

[rare vine]

Meh

[amber cave]

And Ein's sniper shots, without charge rate up, will... exist

[rare vine]

Only Near Feather can save her

If Near Feather is bad, she < Scarlet

[agile linden]

she is the near feather

rest of the kit is just fluff

[final kite]

her true identity is to be a feather

[agile linden]

thats why we are trying to see the attack interval of ddrones

[autumn kayak]

They really should just give us near feather description now lmao
The skill and preview dont give any help at all

[amber cave]

But her buffs outside of near feather are so big that you'd think her normal damage is also good

[rare vine]

Purely from basic attack perspective, she is weaker than Scarlet, UNLESS damage distance bonus.

[agile linden]

ah yes, lets throw out 70% of kit

[hallow grove]

what's the point lol
her basic attack isnt for sure

[agile linden]

surely weaker than scarlet

[woeful lark]

Also throw true damage out

[rare vine]

Her near feather feels weak

[amber cave]

Her 70% of kit needs big charge rate up to actually get good damage

[stable kestrel]

What about vs Exia?

[amber cave]

It's like using Alice but removing her charge speed up

[hallow grove]

cuz we literally cant see how it works thanks to that stupid review

[amber cave]

Or rather, it's Alice on auto

What's Alice on auto gonna do?

[rare vine]

Exia is support

[final kite]

if we go deeper to calculate it's all cope for now

so chill till patch

[rare vine]

She pairs better with this team compared to Summer Rosanna*

[stable kestrel]

Yeah but imagine having a massive 110% attack buff the entire time

[orchid fractal]

look mid

[woeful lark]

3,243% final attack as true damage during burst not including normal attacks

[orchid fractal]

sleep time

[stable kestrel]

Plus the damage increase debuff

[grizzled echo]

SR basic attack is

[autumn kayak]

Whats her mid name

[woeful lark]

+220% charge damage

[tulip crater]

True damage is roughly 24% more damage than normal thanks to ignoring defense right?

[urban river]

Is someone cooking nerd numbers?

[rare vine]

Her kit is obviously weak

In the current meta

[woeful lark]

Right right

[rare vine]

Because she is a filler unit

[hallow grove]

midein

[woeful lark]

I'll see your opinion in a week

[agile linden]

she is the sr unit

[amber cave]

I'm getting Trony vibes from this

[woeful lark]

She's not a filler unit

She's a raid unit

[stable kestrel]

Inb4 collab is filler too

[woeful lark]

Didn't read the patch notes?

[agile linden]

collabs are filler

[final kite]

so was D a filler

[rare vine]

Emilia was also an SR unit

[autumn kayak]

Dont worry not just you

[tulip crater]

She's a good kit because she's there to sell S.Anis

You buy one you buy the other. It's like a duo but both banners up simultaneously.

[urban river]

Lies, Emilia is a monster in pvp

[woeful lark]

And Emilia was meta for her raid

[agile linden]

every collab has their own srr

[amber cave]

I don't have Scarlet, so Ein wouldn't need to replace her to be used, but...

[agile linden]

and every collab unit doesn't live past that

[rare vine]

2B is still used to this date sometimes

[agile linden]

normal sr units survive

[stable kestrel]

Should I skill reset Rem?

[hallow grove]

yes

[woeful lark]

2B is the better of the two NieR units

A2 is the one benched for the rest of time

[final kite]

no

[tulip crater]

I'd hold off, next Collab likely to give another B3 RL is it's like the past three

[rare vine]

Ues

[urban river]

I still remember when people said A2 is better than 2b eheh

[woeful lark]

Depends on how high you have Rem

[agile linden]

yes beause 3rd best out of 3 fire dps units

[woeful lark]

If she's 10/10/10, then probably should reset

[urban river]

My rem is 10/4/4

[woeful lark]

I won't though

[agile linden]

beside that 1 person who got a good damage on last sr with 2b

[cold dawn]

Ein come with true damage but even considering pairing her with frima/laplace I don't think Rem will see the light of the day soon

[urban river]

[agile linden]

that man is insane

[hallow grove]

sure

[stable kestrel]

9/7/5

[final kite]

actually I reset rem once and downgraded her to 7/4/4

[autumn kayak]

When would they release another rl dps anyway rem stocks keep getting down even theres reset next event

[woeful lark]

I use Rem practically every union raid

[urban river]

That lad did 1b in 2b comp

[woeful lark]

And she'll be back next water-weak raid

[tulip crater]

I use Rem every water weak raid

Yeah

[urban river]

Yeah rem is p3-p4 against water weak

[hallow grove]

my sanis scarlet cope did 1b

[amber cave]

I'm gonna use Rem even more after Laplace's favorite item

[urban river]

And necessary if you aim top200

[urban river]

Whel

[tulip crater]

Tbh Re:Zero most meta Collab yet, both units still viable for water weak SR

[amber cave]

Very nice to have a RL with good DPS that isn't filled with atk buffs that dilute Rem's support

[woeful lark]

Honestly gauging Ein's strength will require seeing her feather's attack frequently outside of her burst

[tulip crater]

Her S1 works off burst so I'm hoping her feathers are decent too

[hallow grove]

10 stacks during burst for sure

[autumn kayak]

Yea hope its 10
4 to 6 kinda dumb

[amber cave]

4 to 6 is still an improvement

[cold dawn]

Big part of me hoping Ein would be mid because I don't have mats to build her

[agile linden]

chat what if the drones scale off charge damage

[autumn kayak]

How come you have 4 but summon 6 and end up with 6

[urban river]

4= skip

6=pdf ahahaa

10=pull

[amber cave]

And the skill description says the true damage from feathers is applied when they are summoned, so it's like nothing if that was true

[agile linden]

clips are 1-1-1

[hallow grove]

cuz lvl 1 burst might summon 2

[hallow grove]

this

[regal zodiac]

the motion preview shows 4, then burst has 6 so

[hallow grove]

so

[agile linden]

previews are 1-1-1

skill description are 10-10-10

[final kite]

the ultimate cope is 10 during burst indeed

since it says summon 6 in lv10

not extend it

[agile linden]

real cope is drones scaling off charge damage

[autumn kayak]

Maybe yea theres chance for this
Theres even overclock now so unit need lvl10 skill to be viable kinda works

[amber cave]

I'm not gonna have the manuals for that even if overclock exists

[regal zodiac]

true, it is in blue text in skill preview so it might change depending on lvl

[woeful lark]

Bad translation, that's how

[amber cave]

I'm not even done with Laplace and Frima, much less Ein

[final kite]

but tbh I can't afford another burst 10 mandatory unit

[tulip crater]

Still getting Rosanna to 10

Sakura too

[agile linden]

I hope we get +6 at lvl7 or something

[amber cave]

And I might pull SHelm idk

[hallow grove]

i can just skip and be happy

top 100 anyways

[tulip crater]

Level 9, S.Anis style

[autumn kayak]

Tove too

[agile linden]

leona gets maxed at 7

I can cope

[hallow grove]

no leona 10/10/10

[waxen blaze]

Waiting for judgment

[agile linden]

you have to wait until we can play with her

0 info on how drones act

[woeful lark]

Her power relies entirely on her skills

[rigid elm]

what a great sentence to quote out of context

[urban river]

No pierce, skip

[woeful lark]

Also, just realized

Yet again, Shift Up is taunting us with Manu Towers

DKW, the pierce sniper buffer, is Elysion. Maxwell is Missilis, Alice is Tetra, and the rest are Pilgrim

Frima, the true damage buffer, is Tetra. Laplace and Ein are Missilis

[autumn kayak]

True damage is alright cause the others buff still works for it
Dkw alone tho cant carry elysion with those shit dps

[woeful lark]

Diesel can also carry

[urban river]

Quiry powercreeping dwife

[woeful lark]

Burst gen meta

Ein is Better Than Elysion DPS™️/10 for sure

[autumn kayak]

Tbf if shes elysion I would just pull and build her lmao no hesitation

[oak violet]

How does ein compare to trony?

[burnt schooner]

1 2 3 4 5

[autumn kayak]

She looks more and more like trony with the amount of doomposting

[woeful lark]

Trony is an honorary Elysion DPS

[final kite]

imagine comparing ein to trony

I can't imagine

[hallow grove]

likely better xD

[oak violet]

Their kits actually remind me of eachother

Atk up on burst

DMG type copium extra dmg on full charge

[potent pivot]

everything nowadays only trigger on full charge

macaroni fix

[oak violet]

Ein atk buff is better than trony cuz all bursts

[tranquil iris]

yeah if only those full charge snipers are actually worth a damn to build

[final kite]

nah they focus on others

so does ein thighs

[severe rock]

Bro doesnt want to be put in a list

[hallow grove]

literally school girls ....

yeah

that school of lock event was just red flag for me

as a teacher...

[oak violet]

I was going to say I'm glad raon isn't like this

Considering his work

[hallow grove]

it's disturbing af

still gonna buy naga costume tho

[final kite]

it's disturbing cuz school of lock and not rock

[oak violet]

Some1 is going to come and say~~ "but raon sensei they're 80 years old in a kids body for lore purpose like rei" ~~

[hallow grove]

[oak violet]

[hallow grove]

first of all

they aint 80

they're kids in adult bodies more like

[orchid fractal]

they are new batch

they are not 80

not Mica, not Belorta

[oak violet]

R they 60?

[hallow grove]

[final kite]

busted

[prisma bridge]

is ein + sanis a comp now

[unique tundra]

Jesus Ein's kit is good

[woeful lark]

Except that Trony requries bizarre manual playstyle to accomplish anything

Ein looks like she can be autopiloted entirely by AI if she doesn't have to be the burst generator

[prisma bridge]

thighs enjoyer

[unique tundra]

What's the Sniper's base damage again?

[woeful lark]

Depends on the unit

Ein deals 69.04% of ATK on normal attacks

[unique tundra]

That's the usual right?

[woeful lark]

Around the usual, yeah

There's a small variance for every weapon

[unique tundra]

So like the Feathers have slightly higher ATK ratio

[woeful lark]

Usually around 2%

[unique tundra]

x4~x6

[woeful lark]

Feathers at level 10 are 90% of final ATK and true damage

Her normal attacks hit enemy DEF as usual

[prisma bridge]

same as red hood

[unique tundra]

Stronk

[woeful lark]

Although Red Hood has her S1 which takes her way up

[prisma bridge]

I mean all meta SR has the 69.04 number

[woeful lark]

Ahh

[prisma bridge]

red hood alice maxwell d killer helm dollar

exia

[woeful lark]

Example of variance would be that Admi has 67.37%

Which I think is the lowest?

[prisma bridge]

I think someone is 65

[woeful lark]

The weapon type with the highest variance is AR with Scarlet being excessively high and 2B being excessively low

[prisma bridge]

mary summer Ig

Harran is 70.89

[woeful lark]

Ah right, Summer Mary is really low

65.95%

[noble shoal]

Hmm

[prisma bridge]

yeah mary is 65.9

frima is also 65

eunhwa is the highest

71

[woeful lark]

who?

[prisma bridge]

maybe they will revive her with fav item

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[woeful lark]

Signal, Eunhwa, and Soline batch of three treasures to save Elysion but make us wait half a year to max all of them

[prisma bridge]

elysion is special in boob implanting

Tac-ti-cal

[rigid elm]

joke on you guys, all the Elysion unit that got shit on will receive broken treasures

[woeful lark]

Good

[final kite]

diesel is broken?

[woeful lark]

Diesel's tankiness is pretty crazy

[woeful lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091417140076228628/1265307152545746944/image.png?ex=66a1089d&is=669fb71d&hm=f11e5570308a1ade75496d1982a74590fbc4535196546a6b2d35e0f78ab1d2c5&

[unique tundra]

No one's utilizing Eunhwa that properly that people didn't know that she and OG Privaty are a synergy.

[prisma bridge]

in pvp yes

[final kite]

you put her in pvp?

[prisma bridge]

with treasure

[woeful lark]

She's also been doing work in Elysion tower for me

[hallow grove]

for cp whore?

DD Mast is better for dps aint it

[woeful lark]

For being unkillable

but CP does help

[prisma bridge]

for her tank

[rancid geode]

Hmm, so true dmg NIKKE doesn't sync to each other

[hallow grove]

why tank when just kill

[woeful lark]

Kill? With what damage?

[prisma bridge]

if you can do that then no reason to play noah

[hallow grove]

guillo priv mpriv

[hallow grove]

there isnt , on campaign

[woeful lark]

No burst gen

[hallow grove]

make DD work extra hour

as if diesel has extra burst gen

[woeful lark]

Use Quiry

[hallow grove]

[prisma bridge]

i'm talking about pvp

[hallow grove]

but i wasnt

[prisma bridge]

fuck you

[stone geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[hallow grove]

do it bitch

[warped delta]

Where pins

[hallow grove]

pin this

[warped delta]

[grizzled echo]

don't know why, but my inner self keeps saying Ein is Trony V2
I hope I'm wrong

[woeful lark]

Already seems better than Trony imo

[edgy urchin]

Thinking should ein for marco shoot? Gmmm

Anyways gonna skip since its non limited

Hoarding for 2nd anniversary

HOARD

[final kite]

good luck on hoarding

only collab is there in between

[dawn sphinx]

[rancid geode]

same energy

[warped delta]

Ein + Laplace

Someone cook already

[rancid geode]

Not really

currently there is no comp for True dmg team, supporter is very important

also Laplace is too expensive to unlock her meta potential...

[woeful lark]

Need Frima+ Phase 3 and Laplace+ Phase 2

More likely she'll just fit into S Anis comp rn assuming Scarlet is put into bunnies

[prisma bridge]

yeah ein + sanis in doro team

[woeful lark]

Who?

Sorry, 40 seconds is too long for me to remember a B2

[prisma bridge]

double b2

[rancid geode]

Limited rerun banner also coming, feature SAnis and Shelm

for anyone lacking SAnis, this will be a tough choice to spend gems on

either Ein or Sanis, I prefer SAnis as she is more reliable

[woeful lark]

S Anis is limited. Easy choice

Even if boss is gimmicky to favor Ein, dropping rank in Solo Raid one time is more worth missing out on S Anis for another year

[prisma bridge]

sanis for sure

[woeful lark]

People scoring in numerical ranks are practically guaranteed to already have S Anis anyway, so Ein it would be for them

[prisma bridge]

no question

sanis is limited

and she hasn't been powercrept for a year

meanwhile ein is still dubious

and she will be in the pool anyway

[rancid geode]

until Shelm cuck you

[prisma bridge]

how

she's my wife anyway

[tranquil grove]

Feathers are only generated during burst. What's the point of this mechanic

Would be different if she generated them by firing, then spent them during burst

I guess like BSoda

[woeful lark]

additional feathers are only generated during burst

She has four base at all times

Just two more during burst

[stable kestrel]

the question is what do the feathers do usually?

nothing?

[burnt schooner]

yeah

why is feather stack important

isn't it just that you trigger her S2 6x on her burst?

[woeful lark]

More feathers, faster attack rate

No

You don't get six more feathers from bursting

You get two more

and their attack rate increases

She doesn't expend them to begin with

4 outside of her burst, 6 during her burst

[stable kestrel]

imagine this beating off burst scarlet

yeah probably not

[woeful lark]

Doesn't have to

[stable kestrel]

heck the more comparable nikke for the situation is treasure exia

[woeful lark]

Imagine thinking we wouldn't be using both

[burnt schooner]

feathers don't do anything off-burst

[woeful lark]

They do

Feathers passively attack things

[burnt schooner]

so the kit is just written like shit then

[prisma bridge]

really

wth with the wording

[woeful lark]

Really? We're almost two years in and people are still surprised EN wording is crap?

[burnt schooner]

nothing of what you are saying or what was shown in the video matches the kit

what the fuck are they doing

[amber cave]

The video is 1/1/1, the kit is 10/10/10

[rigid elm]

sometime it's bad, but not THIS bad

[amber cave]

They are not the same

[woeful lark]

I mean, the only discrepancy in the EN kit is the "summon six feathers"

Video being 1/1/1 doesn't matter

[stable kestrel]

so all 10 feathers go off?

[woeful lark]

There's no 10

[amber cave]

Who knows what we will actually see on release, based on how many feathers she summons based on skill level

[autumn kayak]

You guys starting this shit feathers again? I though we wait for live cause its stupidly vague

[prisma bridge]

yeah what if the skill level is different

[burnt schooner]

based on what the feathers actually do she might be pretty strong

[prisma bridge]

or crap

[stable kestrel]

but is it a skip? it's not like I need her for anything

[burnt schooner]

why doesn't her S1 just say FB

[woeful lark]

I suppose it's possible burst could scale from 2 to 6 additional feathers

[woeful lark]

Because it's before full burst

That's important

[burnt schooner]

yea i just thought about that

after sending

[rigid elm]

wait, so the feathers attack on s2 only proc if she use her burst ?

[woeful lark]

Any buffs that trigger on full burst for units with highest ATK will use her ATK with the buff

[burnt schooner]

she gets the 70% buff and THEN bursts

[woeful lark]

No

[stable kestrel]

do the feathers infinitely stack?

[woeful lark]

[woeful lark]

No

[burnt schooner]

4 off-burst
6 on her burst
4 off-burst

[amber cave]

That was the whole point that we can't know about until she releases

[prisma bridge]

yeah

[woeful lark]

They proc even off-burst

Watch the video

They just attack less often

[autumn kayak]

Its vague how its really works

[rigid elm]

this sentence say otherwise

but yeah, EN shit the bed with the localization

once again

[stable kestrel]

so is this basically way worse than modernia?

[prisma bridge]

no

[woeful lark]

Okay, to make it simple

S2 is a passive skill

[urban river]

Feathers attack is a passive more fathers more attacks

[autumn kayak]

Thats one of the reason
S2 shit wording
Burst shit preview
Basically all shit need to see live

[woeful lark]

The Japanese wording actually aligns with that

[rigid elm]

i get what you mean, it's just the wording on the translation is just shit

[woeful lark]

"While in a state of having feathers deployed, randomly attacks 1 enemy"

[urban river]

Is not that clear in the way that they write it

[woeful lark]

It's not "at the time of a feather being summoned"

but "as long as they are summoned"

[rigid elm]

which mean all the time

[woeful lark]

She has four little drones that buzz around attacking things at unknown intervals the whole fight

as it's a passive skill

[amber cave]

But the attack speed of the feathers is never mentioned, is it

[amber cave]

Which is extremely important

[woeful lark]

Think Snow White's Seven Dwarves V/VI that attack every 15 seconds

Yeah, the attack speed is what we need to know

[prisma bridge]

just use jp language

en is trash

[woeful lark]

We can see from the video that it's about 23 shots in 10 seconds during burst

Off-burst looks to be 2 per 5s

[prisma bridge]

as a yugioh player I feel very dissapointed with this EN translation

[woeful lark]

[urban river]

Moshi Moshi Facundo desu here

[stable kestrel]

so ein is a skip?

[rigid elm]

23*90% ~2070% damage from the drone alone

[urban river]

[stable kestrel]

or will I get done in by the solo raid?

[woeful lark]

If you don't care about high solo raid ranks, probably yes

[prisma bridge]

not sure

[woeful lark]

She's not limited

[urban river]

Anyway skip

[woeful lark]

She won't be meta campaign

[urban river]

[prisma bridge]

if you care about raid

[stable kestrel]

and forget pvp

[woeful lark]

She's SR

Of course forget PvP

[autumn kayak]

Kinda funny soda with that essay kits are easy to understand but this less word kits feel so shit with the wording lmao

[rigid elm]

how's her auto with the self atk buff ?

[urban river]

Good

[prisma bridge]

the more detail the better

[woeful lark]

Makes up for her being a sniper

[stable kestrel]

how does it compare to Exia?

[burnt schooner]

RH be like:

[urban river]

Exia is B1 why are you comparing her to exia?

[woeful lark]

RH is an exception

[burnt schooner]

just trolling

[woeful lark]

Pilgrims in general are exceptions

Even Isabel

She's an exception to Pilgrims being strong

[stable kestrel]

just for the normal charge shots

[prisma bridge]

Instead of saying "base is 4. summon 2 more when you burst. and reset to 4 after burst". it said "summon 4. summon 6"

[amber cave]

Harran the exception

[prisma bridge]

lol

[stable kestrel]

wat about harran

[urban river]

Oh idk

[amber cave]

Nihilister the exception

[woeful lark]

Well I do admit it's possible we could get 10 at skill level 10

That may not be wrong

The JP is vaguer there

[urban river]

Maybe Ein needs Maxwell

[woeful lark]

Uses a different wording

[prisma bridge]

well yeah

that's why we need to see it in practice

[urban river]

And tbh seems possible add Maxwell in ein's comp in solo raid

[rigid elm]

at best she'll be decent

[woeful lark]

May go +2/+3/+4/+5/+6

[rigid elm]

S- in good case

[woeful lark]

Nah, if she can get 10, she'll be very strong

[autumn kayak]

And thats the summary
Mid or strong based on number of feathers

[woeful lark]

And a skip if you don't care about Solo Raid either way

Non-Pilgrim, non-limited DPS are never going to be a high priority outside of raid

M Priv and B Soda are the same

[woeful lark]

SG Comp doesn't exist outside of raids

[rigid elm]

Ein's leg in burst animation is wacky af

[urban river]

Only raid player is building SG comp

[woeful lark]

Supports make the comps in this game, so they're the ones that typically hurt more to skip

(for non-limited)

[urban river]

Crown, gals, bunnies, doro and p5 xD

[rigid elm]

imagine missing Crown

[woeful lark]

And DKW

[rigid elm]

bricked on everything

[woeful lark]

Well skipping Pilgrims is always a bad idea

The only bad Pilgrims never had banners

[urban river]

Imagine someone pushing hard mode without rh

[rigid elm]

all the pilgrims banner so far are all meta definer

[woeful lark]

As they honestly should be

[rancid geode]

You can spend on limited rerun banner to get SAnis, or even MLB her

[autumn kayak]

But she have banner too

[urban river]

Alice is good b3 but if you have less than 30 bullets with Alice kick her of the comp in hard mode

[rigid elm]

SAnis work fine with 1 copy

she's a supporter so extra dupe don't mean that much anyway

[woeful lark]

• New players should focus S Anis & S Helm > Ein
• Anyone who thinks they will could care about the collab should save
• Anyone who cares about Solo Raid can probably make the decision to pull or not themselves, as they wouldn't have good scores in SR if they couldn't already

Nah, if you use her in arena, extra dupes means CP padding

[rigid elm]

by how much though

[woeful lark]

Biggest reason I hold a high rank in my rookie arena is cuz of my C7 S Anis

[rigid elm]

yeah that's c7

i dont have that kind of gems

[woeful lark]

I see people copy my comp with higher CP is still lose

cuz MLB or one copy

but yeah, Nikke in general never requires more than one copy

[urban river]

Maybe they reroll ammo in sanis

[woeful lark]

One copy is fundamental.
Three copies for those who obsess over max bond (MLB for Pilgrims, of course)
MLB for lobby BG
More than that for whales

[rigid elm]

4 black ammo lines on SAnis

[heavy sparrow]

[amber cave]

I never bothered to pull more than 1 copy so my pulls have been piling up

[rigid elm]

for CP padding

[autumn kayak]

And theres noir in the team

[woeful lark]

I have some union mates who are really into anime, so I've heavily cautioned to just take a hit to rank this SR

Incoming collab with units that never come back

Rerun banners of units that will take a year to return

Standard banner nikke

[prisma bridge]

I'm about to get core 7 alice

[rigid elm]

even if they're standard, you shouldn't skip if you want the unit

[amber cave]

If that Alice banner returned, I would probably do unwise things

[rigid elm]

never trust the wishlist it's a scam

[woeful lark]

It is a scam

but spooks in other banners aren't!

[urban river]

Wishlist is a meme

[woeful lark]

Skipped Quiry and MLB'd her while rolling for RH

[amber cave]

I pulled Trony and I already got one more before I actually used her

[rigid elm]

if Ein is comparable to drunk Scar i'll pull

[urban river]

Trony was one easy skip

[rigid elm]

Clay was the easiest skip i've ever seen

[amber cave]

Trony plays like Alice so I had to pull

[urban river]

Imagine clay p5 in this raid

[rigid elm]

a 40 sec b2 with no cdr that's not named Biscuit

yeah sure

[urban river]

Smg

XD

[rigid elm]

also that

[prisma bridge]

not really

her design makes me felt unease

[autumn kayak]

They really fuck it up with smg+normal atk
What did they even expect with this combo

[rigid elm]

SMG actually have really good doll stat upgrade

it's just SMG are shit

[urban river]

Question is

Ok she is electric

The best one is sanis because buff

But midlet

Is too mid

Let's compare her to something better

[rigid elm]

you compare her to all the meta dps

of course she will be mid

SAnis and her is still a bread n butter combo

[urban river]

Maybe I'll skip idk

Wanna see how good are her passives

[rigid elm]

we might have a privm situation again, where she's good but need too many enabler

[burnt schooner]

@urban river d-dad? IS THAT YOU?!

[urban river]

Hahahahaha forgot you are german

[rigid elm]

she might be outshine by another true damage dps down the line, like bsoda to PrivM

[urban river]

Bsoda is a monster in her comp

[woeful lark]

We don't have anyone better for electric tho

[urban river]

Damn electric is fucked

[rigid elm]

yeah, we still miss that element defining dps unit for Electric

[woeful lark]

Electric is Midlet, S Anis, Guillo if safe, and M Priv if SGs work

[urban river]

[rigid elm]

RH / SBS / Xlud / Mod or Alice, those are considered BIS for their respective element

[woeful lark]

That's why Ein is actually notable

[rigid elm]

we dont have a comparable unit for electric

[woeful lark]

Meanwhile Iron is so crowded that even a decent DPS like Smol White doesn't stand a chance

[urban river]

Then let's compare Ein with mod

[autumn kayak]

One is mod one is mid

[rigid elm]

i forgot Bsoda is also iron

[woeful lark]

No need to compare a raid-only unit to Mod

[rigid elm]

damn it's stacked af

[urban river]

Iron is shift up favorite element

[rigid elm]

water is dogshit until xlud arrived

[urban river]

Rh, bsoda, snow, Maxwell, plappy

Rem is decent

Fire is Alice, mod, emmmm Alice again xD

[woeful lark]

2B always comes back for a short spotlight during fire-weak raids

cuz Fire's in a terrible place, too

[rigid elm]

can't be worse than electric and water

[woeful lark]

Just Alice, Mod, and 2B

[rigid elm]

you have...privaty and helm for water

[urban river]

Trony

[autumn kayak]

Mod alice dkw 2b
Need 1 more

[rigid elm]

yulha

[urban river]

Dps

[woeful lark]

Oh, if we're not just talking DPS, then Water is perfectly fine

We have tons of good water supports

[urban river]

Guys dps

Damage dealers

[rigid elm]

of course we're talking dps

[woeful lark]

DKW got mentioned, so

[rigid elm]

element mater less for support

[urban river]

Dwife is broken because Rh and Alice are broken

Pierce is broken

[rigid elm]

very few code specific buffs from support

only SMary come to my mind

[autumn kayak]

If only dps then something like
Iron > Fire = Wind > Water > Elec

[rigid elm]

it's usually type related - atker defender supporter

[woeful lark]

Iron: SW, MW, B Soda, RH, Sugar (SG Comp), Soline (Close Range)
Electric: Midlet, S Anis, Guillo (if safe), M Priv (SG Comp), Ein
Water: X Lud, Rem, Viper (SG Comp/Close Range)
Wind: SBS, S Sakura, Guilty (SG Comp), Noir (Close Range)
Fire: Alice, Mod, 2B

[rigid elm]

Soline is kinda underrated as a dps

[woeful lark]

SMG just doesn't have much of a chance to shine

[urban river]

Only b3 xlud is alone damn

Imagine people who skipped ludmommy

[woeful lark]

Brid's not terrible, but she's not worth the investment required to make her work

[urban river]

AR terrible weapon

Midkura kit saved her

[woeful lark]

Oh, Viper can be added for SG Comp/Close Range

[urban river]

[autumn kayak]

Most ar kits are still launch kits
They kinda hoping normal atk ar do decent damage but reality says otherwise
They need some kind of magic like substained, distributed damage or something

Or change weapon
But dont change it to rocket like some summer failure

[amber cave]

"Firing speed up" is just a really good stat, and the weapon types that can get it are RL and SR

MGs are lucky because they have higher hit rate than ARs despite also firing faster

[woeful lark]

Charge Speed you mean?

SMG/AR can get attack speed up, too, technically. It's just they haven't given it to us aside from Soline

[amber cave]

Oh yeah, she does have that, a grand 7%

[woeful lark]

And of course Tove/Sugar give us that for SG

Most weapons are bad, too

Trony had great kit

but killed by weapon

Ein's kit isn't reliant on her weapon, so she has a lot more hope

[amber cave]

?

[woeful lark]

similar to how S Sakura's also wasn't

[woeful lark]

You could sit Ein behind cover the entire fight and her feathers will still do their thing

Just how S Sakura could sit behind cover and still apply DoT

[amber cave]

Trony wasn't "killed" by her weapon, she just doesn't have high enough numbers and multi-target pierce accumulation

[woeful lark]

meanwhile Trony has to actually fire since her kit is reliant on her using charged/normal attacks

[woeful lark]

Her numbers were fine

Make her an MG and she'd be OP as heck

[amber cave]

If Trony could pierce core and body and accumulate damage on multiple spots at once, like Alice and RH get tons of free damage from piercing, she'd be a lot better

[woeful lark]

Yes, because sniper rifles are bad without pierce

[autumn kayak]

Ein dont have it you know

[woeful lark]

Yes, but she's a "mage" type

Her damage is coming from skills

not normal attacks (as much)

[urban river]

Sniper itself is a bad weapon

[woeful lark]

[urban river]

In this game

Low charge, no burst gen

[woeful lark]

All weapons are bad honestly base

[autumn kayak]

All are bad

[woeful lark]

MG only good when you have max ammo OLs

[urban river]

Not mg

[woeful lark]

When the game first came out, MG was considered worst weapon

[urban river]

Mg pierce is like the best weapon in the game

[rigid elm]

MG is good but the doll buff is absolute trash

[woeful lark]

Without max ammo OLs, reload slaughters DPS

[autumn kayak]

Kits in the end decide it
Theres last bullet mg you know

[woeful lark]

Yes, and Aria is bad for damage

[rigid elm]

you can manipulate mg reload or mag

[woeful lark]

Used only for her shield

[autumn kayak]

Man kinda nostalgic first union raid using her to block mod laser

[amber cave]

Well, it also comes with how Nikke content is designed

[rigid elm]

MG suffer from fps issue

[woeful lark]

The whole reason we need to know feather RoF is because no one's expecting anything from her normal attacks

[rigid elm]

suffer the most i mean

[amber cave]

We never really got competitive modes based on rapture spam, long-distance small enemies only, etc.

[woeful lark]

Mhm

[autumn kayak]

Lmao yea this too
Not skill issue but device issue

[woeful lark]

If we got a "Survival" style game mode with swarms of enemies, we'd see A2 come back strong

Low FPS is lethal in this game

[autumn kayak]

Can cope for that surface exploration

[amber cave]

We never got content that disables stuff, either, other than overclock

Which I would like to see make some impact in the game once it arrives permanently

[woeful lark]

RL is amazing if we have to deal with lots of targets, but, aside from PvP, endgame content is all bossing

[autumn kayak]

Pvp should have ban too each week or something

[woeful lark]

The only meta RL has 1/10 the AoE of normal RLs

[amber cave]

And Laplace, which has more

But, again, single target bosses and all

[woeful lark]

True, although her meta status for bossing has yet to be established in practice

[amber cave]

SBS was just an idiotic release, which was to be expected

[woeful lark]

Just Pilgrim things

[amber cave]

There is nothing reasonable about that DPS

[urban river]

Well tbh if you can pierce the core so core+body Alice and Rh destroy sbs

Imo SBS is not that broken

[autumn kayak]

They kinds fumbled and confused with her
Her release time are same time as lots of complain about macro right
They want to make something different but in the end creating a monster lmao

[woeful lark]

SBS is broken. RH and Alice are just moreso

Alice was a balance error, and RH got unreasonably buffed after people cried

[amber cave]

I will never understand if they are actually opposed to macros, because they released Trony

[urban river]

[rigid elm]

i dont think RH buff was unreasonable

[amber cave]

RH buff was definitely unreasonable

[woeful lark]

I think the amount of buff was, not the buffing of her itself

[amber cave]

She was too weak, and then became far too strong, which was kind of expected

[woeful lark]

Her skill level 1 is higher than the previous level 10 was

[rigid elm]

at least we got a coffin dance meme out of it

[amber cave]

And she doesn't even let you change her shooting speed, you just hold down the mouse button and she outDPS your entire box except for SBS

[woeful lark]

SBS does full damage as an AI. So comfy

Ein looks to be the same

[rigid elm]

sbs is even more broken

[autumn kayak]

Crown almost got the dance too
Imagine if 40 secs were real

[urban river]

Well guys pilgrim are 3 per year, imo this powercreep is ok

[amber cave]

I never liked the AI-favored Nikkes, I want to play the game

[rigid elm]

with Crown's kit, she will definitely be meta even with 40 sec

[woeful lark]

But we can only play one Nikke at once

[rigid elm]

just not usable for campaign

[woeful lark]

Like SBS and Alice being paired together is important since Alice needs to be manual

[amber cave]

But what matters for DPS Nikkes is their burst, so you can switch back and forth

[woeful lark]

If SBS did too, it would be a nightmare

[amber cave]

Even if SBS was manual-focused, you could focus both her and Alice

[woeful lark]

You'd lose DPS doing that

[amber cave]

Compared to what?

[woeful lark]

Staying on Alice the entire time

[amber cave]

If SBS performed like Alice does on auto, you'd have to switch

[urban river]

You have to spam Alice her normal attack is one of the lowest in game

[woeful lark]

Which would be bad, yeah

Alice has mid-high attack for a sniper rifle

[amber cave]

Because of the effort required?

[woeful lark]

No, because it's impossible

[rigid elm]

I'm sure there are some psycho mfs out there manual sbs

[woeful lark]

You can't quickfire two Nikkes at the same time

[amber cave]

Of course, it's a compromise

If SBS/RH of DPS was only possible on manual, you'd have to make do with what you have

But it's all auto-focused

[woeful lark]

RH still requires half manual

Only SBS is full auto

(in fact, most people lose damage manually controlling her)

[amber cave]

For what, burst charging?

[woeful lark]

and if you let RH full auto, you lose damage cuz AI aim is bad

[urban river]

Backing to Ein's thread

[autumn kayak]

Rare chance when AI win

[woeful lark]

Quickfire is higher DPS than full charge

[urban river]

So we are comparing her to midlet

Ok I got it

[woeful lark]

Ein wants to full charge tho

[urban river]

[woeful lark]

Midlet and Guillo are the most reasonable comparisons

unless someone wants to cope that she'll have use outside of raids

Her role is being an Electric Element DPS

[autumn kayak]

Theres use
In land eater anomaly boss with absurdly high def

[woeful lark]

If it's Land Eater

Not confirmed yet

[urban river]

Liberalio

Or water bringer

[woeful lark]

Or whoever grabby hands McGee is in the story preview image

[autumn kayak]

The anomaly one
Not solo raid
Well even in anomaly the only one mentioned are only ultra and indi I guess

[woeful lark]

Ohh

Well Anomaly Intercept is next month

[urban river]

Well her entire kit is feathers atk so idk xD

[woeful lark]

Ein will be in standard banner by then

[urban river]

Seems like a boss with no core no parts

[woeful lark]

Plus, we can choose boss in AI

so if one requires Ein and someone doesn't own her, just don't fight that boss

[amber cave]

Oh yeah, there's the new intercept thing coming, I forgot about it

[urban river]

Everyone choosing ultra hehe

[woeful lark]

Yeah, Ultra big punching bag for RH and SW

[prisma bridge]

I'll choose blacksmith

[amber cave]

I wonder if each boss will have different rewards

[prisma bridge]

ez

[autumn kayak]

Get ein for the title

[urban river]

Blacksmith is from normal ex interception

Not the new one

Anomaly interception

[autumn kayak]

What if land eater drop defender ultra drop support and indi drop attacker
Rocks should be from all tho

[rigid elm]

Whitesmith for anomaly interception

[woeful lark]

Thinking of raid comps, though:

Tiga has Naga, so electric covered ✅
Bunnies would use Liter/Volume/DKW, so electric not covered ❌
S Anis Dorovity is base electric ✅
Crown would use Liter/Volume/DKW, so electric not covered ❌

If SG Comp is viable, we have M Priv ✅
If SW Comp is viable, electric not covered ❌

Pretty much need to consider what electric units to slot in to find out where Ein would go

Unless we end up going Doro/Crown/S Anis/Ein or Scarlet/Privaty

[prisma bridge]

probably

[urban river]

Seems a boss no core no parts

[autumn kayak]

Midkura ded tiga dead again

[woeful lark]

Tiga definitely not dead

[urban river]

This ain't casual thread, sorry buddy

[woeful lark]

Naga deals a lot of personal damage and is pierce electric

[prisma bridge]

this is research lab

[woeful lark]

Unless we're getting Water Bringer, Naga's gonna have a fun time

[autumn kayak]

I mean not first place or second place in 5 team rank
Maybe around 3-4 right if like last kraken

[urban river]

Research lab is meta slaves home

[warped delta]

is dead when you move naga out of tiga team for crown

[urban river]

[woeful lark]

Also depends on the boss

If it's Land Eater, Tiga is T2 minimum

S Sakura is also in business

[autumn kayak]

Only you have naga with 4 element fuck you

[woeful lark]

Majority of the fight is spent shooting the giant potato in its regening cores

[stone geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[urban river]

Last raid some lads tried Naga crown

[prisma bridge]

because sbs alice is 1st team and sakura is 2nd team

obv

[urban river]

But they lose Rh DMG on gals comp

[prisma bridge]

g!pepper

[stone geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1008459787857567744/1181267414772617246/Dr._Pepper.png?ex=65807002&is=656dfb02&hm=81d8c089fe1eea9b2822602861de7683ef7dcfe05903a4e503a2079831108424&

[woeful lark]

4x with one black line

[urban river]

So not worthy

[autumn kayak]

Thats why I said dead

[woeful lark]

Naga also wouldn't be bursting if Crown is there, so that's loss

[urban river]

If no core maybe crown Naga could works

[prisma bridge]

not really

no part then sakura is out

[urban river]

No core no parts means bye bye Rh and Alice xD

I meant as DMG

[woeful lark]

If Land Eater, we'd probably see:

• Doro/Crown/S Anis/Scarlet/Privaty
• Tia/DKW/Naga/RH/X Lud
• Volume/Blanc/Scarlet/Noir/Modernia
• Tove/Leona/B Soda/M Priv/Maiden (?)
• Liter/S Ros/S Saku/Ein/Maxwell

[urban river]

Not kicked

[autumn kayak]

I know
But if with no core too I bet sanis comp or even sg mpriv replace sakura as the second best

[urban river]

I have to invest in mpriv

I hate my f2p status on books and resources

[burnt schooner]

use bAlice, Drake or something in SG team. mPriv will provide ele

[woeful lark]

Don't need B Alice

[urban river]

B Alice was a bait

[burnt schooner]

you never know what they gonna cook

[woeful lark]

And Maiden would contribute more than Drake

I've had Maiden outdamage Guillotine vs Land Eater before

[urban river]

Maiden is 10/1/1

[autumn kayak]

Balice is just for less mald
For max damage 3 dps obviously still better

[urban river]

7/1/1 f2p

Yeah bald comps top 50 tryhard don't use heal

[burnt schooner]

leveling maiden

[autumn kayak]

Wheres the treasure units I dont see anyone

[burnt schooner]

WH

[urban river]

You don't wanna use lappy over rh

[woeful lark]

I'm a practical tester when it comes to number crunching, so I can't estimate usefulness of any of the treasure units until the raid itself

[urban river]

Trust me

[amber cave]

Ah yes, comparison to Red Hood for viability

[woeful lark]

Also waiting on a doll for Frima+

[urban river]

I can't believe solo raid carrying the whole game and their revenue

They have to add more end game competitive content

[amber cave]

They are, as we speak

[prisma bridge]

they are doing that

now increase element disadvantage and voila new mode

element boss

[amber cave]

I really want overclock to give a good amount of burst manuals on high difficulty

So that players need to restrict their teams and apply debuffs to actually get maxed skills on everyone at a good pace

[plain zinc]

Where is gatrix comments

Sbow

Ping me where they are

[urban river]

Ahahaha

Gatrix is playing a moba

[woeful lark]

#1265253631146463233 message

[urban river]

[woeful lark]

There

Can't actually come up with numbers this time until release cuz no tooltip on feathers

[autumn kayak]

Lmao you support ein but give him that

[woeful lark]

I mean, Gatrix and Kisenix both have turned around on their initial impressions before

[plain zinc]

Aite then

[woeful lark]

And putting raids aside, "mid" honestly will probably be where she stands

I think she'll be a solid Electric unit, but that just makes her a raid unit

I don't see her doing anything worthwhile in PvP or campaign, and, since true damage still get smashed by CP penalty, Laplace+/Maxwell still surperior for Missilis Tower

Hard to argue in favor of a non-limited unit that may only be used in 20% of raids when collab is around the corner

[regal zodiac]

ah didn't know that, only reason i was thinking of pulling her is cause i'm stuck in ch 28rn

[woeful lark]

S Anis and S Helm both have reruns, too, and they're both higher priority for those who don't own them

I'm definitely pulling and investing in her, but I take solo raid seriously and spend money on the game

(plus, I like her, and that's what matters most )

I've been waiting for Ein to come out for a looooong time

[prisma bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-them-to-sandwhich-me-bunny-girl-senpai-thigh-enjoyer-mai-sakurajima-sakuta-azusagawa-gif-27255614

[woeful lark]

Not interested in that part

In fact, I think they screwed up by making her firing/cover pose too thicc compared to her basic standing illustration and burst

[amber cave]

Not surprising, given the game it is

[autumn kayak]

Her backside looks like tia reason I give her a minus

[woeful lark]

Yeaah

I don't look at the combat poses tho

[prisma bridge]

then what part

[amber cave]

I can't even tell the difference in their firing poses at first glance

[woeful lark]

Only the lobby ones

[woeful lark]

The personality and feathers

[prisma bridge]

[woeful lark]

I don't play this game for lewd like most people

[prisma bridge]

yeah right I like helm for personality too

[amber cave]

Amazing

[prisma bridge]

[woeful lark]

In fact, if a clone of this game came out with that part removed, I'd jump ship to that immediately

Unfortunately that one would EoS quickly without the funds from the horni

[amber cave]

If I were to pull Ein to use her in raids, her most likely place would be with SAnis, but that would mean she replaces Guillotine and that's unnaceptable

[woeful lark]

I think S Helm's shirt drying was the best part

[prisma bridge]

I play this game for both

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https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[amber cave]

Because I love the chuuni woman to death

[woeful lark]

Use Guillo in Crown comp

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https://tenor.com/view/helm-nikke-burst-marian-modernia-gif-1283849944327279170

[woeful lark]

Crown keeps her alive

She stays at 1hp

[amber cave]

Wha

[woeful lark]

Win-win

[amber cave]

How does that work

[woeful lark]

Shields

[amber cave]

As if the bosses couldn't just punch through shields

[woeful lark]

Shield-gating prevents damage to hp