[Soda: Twinkling Bunny] New Unit Megathread

[tight grove]

for true

[zealous peak]

they pre-upload YT stuff

and post twitter after

[sharp widget]

That was posted yesterday tho

https://twitter.com/NIKKE_japan/status/1795062773761925347

【公式】勝利の女神：NIKKE (@NIKKE_japan) on X

【NIKKE紹介】
アリス：ワンダーランドバニー(Alice: Wonderland Bunny)

✔️製作会社：テトラライン
✔️所属部隊：アンリミテッド
✔️使用武器：SMG マイリトルキャロット

指揮官とチームを組んで「コインラッシュ」に参加。

Twitter · May 27, 2024, 12:01 PM

[tight grove]

why did they translate 'alice is a rabbit' to 'here i come' that's strange

[sharp widget]

Rather, with lack of particle, it's probably meant to be "It's rabbit Alice!"

She's presenting herself

[misty estuary]

Jaaa~ Alice usagi desu!
Roughly:
Surprise~ It's bunny Alice!

[sharp widget]

Yeah

[tight grove]

HERE I COME

[sharp widget]

So the localization makes sense, but I don't like it

It could be worse, at least

[tight grove]

its time for me to learn japanese so i don't question these things anymore

[zealous peak]

HEEEEEEEEEERE

IIIIIIIIIIII

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME

[rose mango]

[sharp widget]

There was a time when I thought that having learned Japanese was a waste of effort

[zealous peak]

@rose mango #1067857092947476521 message

[sharp widget]

then I saw how licensing was destroying the fan-translation community to milk the industry dry with garbage quality

now I'm very glad I did

[rose mango]

Answered

[fluid stag]

I just heard Alice EN

[warped kite]

does this unit work without Tove

[sharp widget]

Technically yes

But she'll work better with her

[thorny sleet]

anything works without Tove

[warped kite]

work as in

top 3 team material

[thorny sleet]

not seeing top 3 material

[warped kite]

is it really a must pull then

[sharp widget]

Think though

Iron has RH and SW

Problem is the competitive element

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure she'll beat Maxwell if put into bunnies team with Modernia

(assuming Gravedigger)

[rose mango]

In terms of meta, yes

[sharp widget]

She's more flexible than M Priv

[warped kite]

do you think she’ll see any use in UR

[rose mango]

Geez
I just realised why Aku asked

To use her, you'll need to up all of them to 10/10/10 cuz tove needs lvl9 s1

[sharp widget]

I don't see her being useful in UR

Unless we start getting mono-element URs

For people who haven't been blessed by Snow White, maybe

but if using for UR, then not a must pull since wishlist exists

[rose mango]

Yeah, no.. unless there's 2× or 3× iron weak

There's redhood
There's snowwhite
And then there's soda

[ancient aurora]

kek

[zealous peak]

Iron has
RH
SW
MW

do we really need her

[rose mango]

Well, it also depends on like
How much dps soda does lmfao

[zealous peak]

Maxwell in shambles

[rose mango]

If her dps is super high and competes with pierce units
It's tover for other units

[warped kite]

my reasoning is that if she’s too weak to compete in UR 3team format she’ll be too weak for SR pretty soon

[ancient aurora]

wait, is her burst a screenwipe?

because I need a screenwipe for tetra tower

[zealous peak]

yes but not the strongest

[rose mango]

If there's 2× iron weak
And one of them is a non pierce boss like dual ring for example

Soda >>> snow or maxwell

[fluid stag]

Well P1 last raid was Alice+SBS so no iron dps

[rose mango]

So there's use cases

[sharp widget]

Ultra

[fluid stag]

Indivilia

[sharp widget]

Oh, SR

[zealous peak]

bSoda has 628.7% screenwipe
mPrivy has 1066.66% screenwipe

so

[rose mango]

Redhood goes on one iron weak boss
Soda or snowwhite go on the other

If snowwhite goes with redhood like last UR, if we had another iron weak boss which was boss 1/2/4, she's gonna be used

[sharp widget]

P1 last raid was SW

for Indivilia

[fluid stag]

Bro pls UR is a copium

[fluid stag]

You right but just 1 team cook 3.2b

1 person

[sharp widget]

No, not just them

[rose mango]

Anyways I want my union to have sg team built now

[fluid stag]

F2p forcing his union mates to spend in SG

[fluid stag]

[dire finch]

leona need 10 10 10 too?

[sharp widget]

SBS/Alice doesn't show up until 8th highest team

[rose mango]

Akusetsu will need to bump Leona to 777

Because otherwise his account is bricked in his eyes

[zealous peak]

check maid privy thread

[warped kite]

[zealous peak]

we have pins there about tove leona

[warped kite]

dont mind me

[sharp widget]

Leona 10/7/10 iirc?

Also, for some people, UR is something that actually does need attention

[fluid stag]

The fuck with mw+xlud xD

[rose mango]

Unequal numbers are not allowed on his account

[sharp widget]

Not everyone's in the sweaty unions

[rose mango]

It needs to be 4/4/4, 7/7/7 or 10/10/10

[zealous peak]

@rose mango this still apply?

[sharp widget]

Crown

[rose mango]

Why don't you just use MoWu's skill rec

Or Austin's

[misty estuary]

The low Tove S2 is cope

[zealous peak]

oh right we have that too

[warped kite]

leaking my amazing strategy

[rose mango]

Yeah it's budget for f2p

[zealous peak]

Min / Rec / Max

[rose mango]

When tove came out I didn't have enough skill books at all, but 9/4/7 tove was enough to outdps my SAnis+scar team in UR

Not to mention, you needed to do smthng for crystal chamber raid lol

[misty estuary]

S2 is actually busted when it's up all the time, it's the main source of effectiveness for this SG team especially since it's a 0 CDR FB extension team

[rose mango]

Yeah but there's breakpoints to that S2 which gatrix calculated iirc

So leaving it at those breakpoints is kinda fine

[fluid stag]

What is the correct number to say what Party is, yellow one, blue or green (left. Middle, right)?

[misty estuary]

Breakpoints for ATK spd are semi-fake when it comes to atk spd up from what I've tested

[fluid stag]

Or usage?

[misty estuary]

I've looked at soline for example

[fluid stag]

[sharp widget]

Max, average, min

[rose mango]

Iirc Kos told me that soline atk speed doesn't work at all

Gatrix and Kos worked on SG tho, which works

[fluid stag]

I'm colorblind so maybe I said different colors xD

[sharp widget]

I have color deficiency as well

[misty estuary]

It does work

I've put 5 SMGs in a team together

[sharp widget]

Not sure about the left one, but middle is blue and right is red

[misty estuary]

And Soline consistently empties out a couple bullets faster

[rose mango]

Yellow blue red

[sharp widget]

Yellow, thanks

Wanted to say orange

[lucid nest]

work on SG

[rose mango]

Lowest average highest

[lucid nest]

can verify

[rose mango]

I see

[lucid nest]

it was me who recorded every single frame of Sugar from lv 1 to 10

[misty estuary]

However, the apparently atk spd that was gained was not what was advertised on the skill, it was lower

[sharp widget]

[rose mango]

Lmfao

My bad

[fluid stag]

I see yellow, blue and green maybe?

[misty estuary]

Hence atk spd breakpoints are "semi-fake"

[rose mango]

Highest, average, lowest

[rose mango]

Yellow blue red
Highest, average, lowest

[sharp widget]

If you see green for the right, you must have true protanopia

[misty estuary]

Atk spd as a buff clearly works even when a breakpoint isn't hit but its actual effectiveness is reduced from what it advertises

[fluid stag]

Well that yellow can be red if you tell me

[misty estuary]

That's the general conclusion I came too while looking at soline

[tight grove]

did you compare each skill level?

[fluid stag]

I've got a lot of problems with colors

[tight grove]

or default soline vs any other smg yeah she's faster

[rose mango]

Hmm so what you mean is that over 3 minutes that atk speed will give you an extra 3-4 bullets even if it's not a breakpoint

Over 10s, what gatrix calculated

It's not the same for sg?

[rose mango]

@lucid nest I'm correct, right?

[misty estuary]

I forgot the exact numbers so I'm not commenting on that, but if you put 5 smgs in a team with soline, you can watch how fast they empty their mags

And soline is always first

[rose mango]

Damn, fun test

[misty estuary]

The apparent gain in spd however

Is clearly less than what is advertised

My theory is that it's due to time loss on the tick function

[tight grove]

it's more interesting to know how much faster each skill up gets than knowing that she is indeed faster at skill lvl 1

if skill resets were still a thing i'd test it

got enough resets np

[misty estuary]

So the theory in my book is that breakpoints give you full benefit of the atk spd buff

And that non breakpoints gives partial benefit

Due to time loss on the tick function

[lucid nest]

I tried shooting 9 times on auto with Sugar. On each burst lv

I guess AS works better on faster Attack speed

[rose mango]

[lucid nest]

for SG, the breakpoint really exists

[misty estuary]

E.g. tick occurs and the float "overflows" partially

[rose mango]

This is gatrix breakpoints @misty estuary

From what he calculated for tove

[heavy flint]

じゃーん！アリス兎です

[misty estuary]

Yeah again from what I've seen you eventually fire extra bullets over time

And it's just most apparent with soline

Since it's a tiny amount

[rose mango]

Maybe because of her high fire rate??

In SG, fire rate is like 20× less
So it's less "possible" that you shoot faster?

[fluid stag]

Alice in Jap says: Alice is a rabbit!!! And in EN: here I cum

[heavy flint]

More like "Tada! It is Bunny Alice"

[misty estuary]

High fire rate means that it'll be more obvious when you get that extra bullet yes

[fluid stag]

My Jap sucks

[misty estuary]

Low fire rate means it takes longer to see when that benefit manifests

But from what I've seen atk spd as a stat isn't totally useless even when it doesn't hit a breakpoint, but it does seem "less effective" than advertised

[sharp widget]

Japanese content creator PESU MY has an invested Soline and has gameplay of her if you'd want to analyze that

[fluid stag]

But why they mistraslate even VA lines?

[sharp widget]

It's called localizing, unfortunately

[heavy flint]

EN bricked

[sharp widget]

Localizing =/= translating

[heavy flint]

[sharp widget]

They just make it whatever they think is most fitting

[heavy flint]

True

Coochie woochie flashbacks

[fluid stag]

imma play in Chinese rn

[sharp widget]

That's why you get deliquent guys in their young twenties using "rizz" in GBF

[heavy flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076238531371991181/1238303160536399894/nikke_2024.05.09_-_19.28.37.03.DVR.gif

[rose mango]

hmm I'll try to see if there's a way to test it with SG

To test this, need a way to keep tove S2 up 100%

[sharp widget]

~~nevermind, despite having OL gear on Soline, her S1 is still level 1 ~~

[visual niche]

soooo the thing im wondering

another Iron shill Solo raid ?

[fluid stag]

gd solo raid

[sharp widget]

Yeah, most likely another Iron raid

[heavy flint]

Oh boy I can't wait to

[heavy flint]

g!gravedigger

[wispy sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968098119717904433/1068030683806699520/317073215_1267002554120828_617060111114518390_n.mp4

[fluid stag]

With 10 circles every 5 seconds

[visual niche]

isnt the kit is like really strong ? specially paired with M.Priv

pinned message says SSS dps

[stoic tartan]

Leona can be 4 7 10

But s1 is gonna have more value after soda release

Is sugar placeholder for soda?

[fluid stag]

Welcome to "we will cry next Solo Raid" club

but not this raid

[sharp widget]

inb4 pulls Doro before B Soda/B Alice

[misty estuary]

If Alice keeps tove stacks up

Time to edit an exodia meme

ALL FIVE PIECES OF PUZZLE

[fluid stag]

Imagine if he takes doro before soda

Damn bro bought skin but he's doroless

[tight grove]

no doro rerun

smart shift up

[sharp widget]

Was worth it for the rocks

[sturdy canopy]

And I was thinking that duo characters were bad design

Now we have quintuple characters

[fierce lake]

that could have been 45 rolls and 4500 gems

[sturdy canopy]

You don't need team building just put them all together 👌

[tight grove]

tove was made for penta team

all shotgun

[sharp widget]

Except Tove

[tight grove]

except tove herself

yep

[fierce lake]

I said this before, imagine a weapon that is so bad
you need 5 brand new nikkes just to fix it

[tight grove]

pretty much all weapons at launch

assault rifles are in need of fixing too now

[misty estuary]

SG is not a bad weapon

It's just been criminally undersupported until now

[visual niche]

only "savable" smg is just supports or change weapon type in burst

thats probably it

[tight grove]

i'm not sure if we even have proper smg dps

like crow? get real

[misty estuary]

We don't

SMG is a weapon you give ppl just to make sure you know they're a buffer

[tight grove]

like mg

[analog ruin]

It would be nice to get a new weapon type. We know that Nikke handguns exist.

SMG isn’t salvageable unless they make a rapture type that the MGs can’t deal with up close.

[tight grove]

what would the niche of the type be?

they are 'fixing' shotguns by giving it additional effects and a bunch of hitrate

smg fix is pretty much the same thing make it shoot straight and make it do something extra

[analog ruin]

Slow fire, high damage, close range…which is shotgun.

[lucid nest]

To be fair, do you run down in traditional fps with smg?

And even in real life, smg is also frontload and not some heavy dps

They are cheap hence they are shit

[tight grove]

smg does not sound like the type of weapon you would bring to kill off some raptures

[lucid nest]

[misty estuary]

Standard SMG is literally the weapon type with literally no benefits whatsoever, its defining feature is that it's good at nothing and bad at everything

[lucid nest]

Yeah

Creating room for real mvp

[analog ruin]

Then they should work better on bomb raptures!

[tight grove]

they do have a near niche

but everything else murders near too

[lucid nest]

Supportive gun, may be giving them built in defense reduction is better

Or slow enemy dow

[misty estuary]

ER in this game is a joke compared to core hits

Whatever benefit you gain from range not only tends to overlap with AR anyway but also the decreased hit rate for being MG offsets the advantage of effective range

Like when a rapture walks up close to an AR

Oh boy, now you don't have ER anymore! But now you have 100% core hit rate

[tight grove]

idk what the math is in this game but sniper works just fine against anything in front of me

[misty estuary]

So in actuality, your dps increased lmfao

Like this is a very old school observation

[tight grove]

smg should give lots of burst gen and make it pvp niche

[misty estuary]

That base scarlet dealt more damage to an enemy right in her face than an enemy in her effective range

So AR just poaches "being better at close range" from SMG as well

[tight grove]

ar gets reduced dmg from up close maybe she missed shots or some shit

[analog ruin]

Having SMG do something else like a debuff or the stun suggestion would be a good way to make it worth considering.

[misty estuary]

The weapon literally has no redeeming qualities, even it's slightly higher fire rate for procing stacks is canceled out by the skill needing to hit an enemy and having low hit rate at range

[analog ruin]

But that can just be skills. It should just be a standard of the SMG.

[misty estuary]

No there's no damage reducing mechanic

[tight grove]

there's none?

[misty estuary]

ER is just a flat bonus when an enemy is in the weapon types designated range

[tight grove]

smg should just gen burst 3x as fast that's an easy niche

[misty estuary]

No it doesnt

[lucid nest]

Smg needs 40 hits per sec to make up for their shitty dmg and accuracy

[misty estuary]

SMG burst gen values are trash so they generate the least burst

[analog ruin]

Instead of being the single worst?

[lucid nest]

[tight grove]

if smg could gen fast af

ppl would run that shit in pvp

[rose mango]

xMidca supremacy

[sharp widget]

X Mica literally gets 3x burst gen and it's only comfortable, not good

[tight grove]

6x!

9x!

to the moon we go

[stoic tartan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169630400016384/1153507666732273736/1695074590470371.gif

[misty estuary]

SMG is the weapon you give to supports to nerf them even harder than giving them a normal AR

Just to make sure they def can't do mechanics

[tight grove]

i'm not so sure when they give all weapon types to also all kinds of supports

[misty estuary]

I'm saying giving someone an SMG is almost always just a nerf

[tight grove]

yeah thats true

giving someone ar is also a nerf when mg exists

[gleaming creek]

aaaaaaaaaaaa godamit

why did they ruin S1 with crit damage

why not hit rate

[misty estuary]

Giving someone AR is like giving them basic rights

[gleaming creek]

jesus foken christ

[misty estuary]

Giving them SMG is making them a refugee

[tight grove]

is her 40% burst hit rate not enough?

[gleaming creek]

i guess the only thing to pray is that alice gives massive crit rate

but at the end of the day...

Crit in Nikke is foken LOL why

[misty estuary]

Leona already exists

[rose mango]

Giving them mg means making them meta

It's hard to make an MG unit bad

Especially if they're an attacker type

[tight grove]

they tried really hard with sneon by taking her mg away hahaha

[rose mango]

Sneon and aria are unique stuff lmfao

[gleaming creek]

Hola Senor Aide

Hola

[misty estuary]

Aria with an MG and a last bullet skill:

Is she stupid?

[tight grove]

sneon is an example that proves the point

she takes it away

[gleaming creek]

we got 2 horrible MG and 2 mid close to Bad MG

[rose mango]

Even product 12 is good

[rose mango]

If you tweak her kit a bit with treasure, she can become good iirc

[tight grove]

those are stat fucked not b3

rem as b3 would be real sweet

[tight grove]

why don't we get treasure kits?

we need 4 more treats

[gleaming creek]

Soda and Emma can be easily fixed

• Emma S2 activate when HP above 30%

• Emma S1 activates at 20%

• Soda S1 Needs 120 shots per stacks

• Soda S2 has 6s CD

[tight grove]

or 1 collective treasure

[rose mango]

Oh damn I'm thinking of the wrong R unit my bad

[misty estuary]

It's really simple, being MG is like getting an extra DPS skill, being SR/RL is like getting an extra support skill, and being SMG means being nerfed

[gleaming creek]

but lets get back to Soda Bunny....
WHY CRIT DAMAGE FFS

[misty estuary]

Tldr it's good

And you're overreacting

[sturdy canopy]

To incentives using leona even more

[gleaming creek]

noooo

[rose mango]

It was soldier ow

If she was mg and this percentage was higher she would be one of the best

If not the best

[tight grove]

the best r in the game

[rose mango]

Idk if she even needs to be mg

Even AR would suffice I think

Currently she's smg iirc

[sturdy canopy]

God forbid you wanna use your own character instead of their tailor made for each other ones

[tight grove]

i don't really think you are required to build a specific comp to tailer to her s1 lol

that specific loss is minimal

use crown if you want its fine

[gleaming creek]

just fix mast by turning that shitty 30s into continuous

its a simple and single word that will change everything

[misty estuary]

That'd be p mediocre

[rose mango]

I can't find the numbers xdd

But yeah ar probably wouldn't be good

[tight grove]

i'm looking forward for balice to replace rapunzel in crown teams

so i can skip this whole tove leona team 5 shit

[grizzled burrow]

anyoen find it strange shes still part of Maid for You but Mprivatey was switched to the Maid For you squad?

shes not part of the 777 squad????

[tight grove]

balice/boda don't work for 777

mpriv worked for maids

not joining the squad vs joining the squad

[grizzled burrow]

well based on the event looks like alice and soda will be helping the casino so that means they will be working for them

[tight grove]

i have not seen alice lift a single finger

and her story is 'checking out the clowns' or some shit

[sturdy canopy]

They don't want them to work with blanc

Simplest answer

[tight grove]

summer/winter versions don't leave their squads either

only mpriv ever did

[zealous peak]

no kit

[tight grove]

57m

[sturdy canopy]

[grizzled burrow]

kinda dumb :/

[sturdy canopy]

Kit is usually 1 day before the patch anyway

[tight grove]

whats dumb is mpriv joining the squad temporarily

it gave everyone false hope

[sturdy canopy]

So they just put one of them earlier

[rose mango]

Not dumb, only 2 alts ever changed their squad names

Not surprising, nothing to make a big thing out of

[tight grove]

i do get it though everyone wants to get rid of bnoir i'm as sad as you guys are

[torn thunder]

@rose mango can i skip both bunnies if I'm missing leona and don't have tove built?

[tight grove]

imagine skipping sss tier

[rose mango]

You realistically can replace Leona with dolla

Tove dolla soda flex flex

But imo you should pull her and start investing in SG team

If you don't care about raids, soda is an ez skip

Soda is also usable in PvP so

Remember that

[torn thunder]

I have maiden for that

[tight grove]

reset maiden

[grizzled burrow]

just making an observation, like what constitutes for squad changes and what doesnt? skins its whatever but if Soda was in 777 squad it wouldve helped me out lol

[tight grove]

put skills into boda

[rose mango]

Nah it's different

[tight grove]

you think bsoda works for 777 but i highly doubt that

why would she enter her own competition then? makes no sense

[rose mango]

"what constitutes for squad changes"

There's no consistency for this
It's common sense that an already broken unit shouldn't be made more broken

And as Raoul said

Soda enters the coin rush bunny competition
Doesn't take part as the 777 squad member

[misty estuary]

Why she isn't 777 is so that they can still sell rogue

[grizzled burrow]

at this point from what you said i doubt rouge will join lol

unless rouge is underwhelming enough that it wont make the bunny girls even more broken

[tight grove]

bblanc will get yeeted from union raid before rouge releases

[grizzled burrow]

i mean school girls are the better duo, esp now with crown working with naga. power creep is gonna be a bitch later on.

mayeb thats when rouge comes in

[misty estuary]

Bunnies are already weaker than JKs and Crown

[tight grove]

it won't take much

rouge is almost here

[misty estuary]

Like Naga and Crown are fighting for best B2 and Blanc is clearly 1 tier below

Tho that's partially bc Noir is weaker than Tia

And Crown gets to pick and choose who she wants as a partner

[rose mango]

Blanc is technically weaker than both crown and Naga too tho

I mean, her heals are better and she has indom

But the damage buffs

Clearly weaker

[misty estuary]

I said partially bc

Not fully bc

Blanc def has better heals and mechanic ignoring

[rose mango]

Yeah agreed

Way too much cushion

To fall on

[grizzled burrow]

i think they know duo pairs can only go so long before power creep or better units come out. they will prob add in a 3rd nikke to each duos later on that buff them up more to catch up. prob why they are holding back with releasing them

i can def see bunny girls slowly drop in tier when better duos come out then boom rouge is out and they are top tier again

[rose mango]

Only one of them will become top tier
Either noir or blanc

At least
From what I think

[misty estuary]

Crown Naga and Blanc are the best b2s by far

Everyone else is significantly worse

So preferably Rouge just needs to be B3 or CDR B1

[grizzled burrow]

thats what i was thinking but she has to be good enough to compete with liter other wise its jus the usual Liter, bunny girls, two DPS

and if shes B3 she has to comepte with mord, RH, scarlet etc. itll be tough

[misty estuary]

Her competition isn't liter

It's volume

She just needs to be better than volume

The bar isn't that high considering she starts with the benefit of being 777

[grizzled burrow]

oh the ole "i dont need to be the best, i just need to be better than you" strategy

[tight grove]

whack how volume was considered cope liter at release but still meta today

[misty estuary]

It's just bc they aren't release B1 CDRs v often

[tight grove]

i think we have like 7 cdr now

8? 9?

[grizzled burrow]

D alt was the last one, she doesnt compete with them on CDR?

[misty estuary]

After JKs and before DKW it was impossible to have any decent comp flexibility with B1s at all

Now it's slightly better

[rose mango]

In order of release

Liter Volume Dolla
Sakura
Dorothy
Helm: Aqua Marine
D: Killer Wife

If you wanna be technical
Noir and redhood are cdr as well

[tight grove]

haha redhood has insane cdr

b1 twice np

[misty estuary]

Yeah unfortunately dolla is more than underwhelming in terms of actual buffs

And s.helms buffs only work when the enemy is weak to iron

And then sakura has meme buffs

Over time B2 somehow became a stronger position than B1 in terms of bench supports

Sakura might become better if they added a 40s b1 that doesn't blow ass and isn't a pure tank like noise

E.g. RH but all she does is B1

[rose mango]

PvE almost dead anyways
Champs soon

[misty estuary]

[rose mango]

Soda is prep for champs

First clip SG after 12 months

[misty estuary]

PvP is gonna be so fun for all us whales who can't practice any team to figure out what's good because we're just synchro diffing everyone in our bracket

[tight grove]

you don't need to be first place to have fun

who here is first place in solo raid?

[misty estuary]

Me.

[tight grove]

same shit really

[rose mango]

Lmfao

[old sentinel]

I looked at the kit essay and it showed up as a giant blur, as if it was all censored. Because my brain automatically protected me from reading

[rose mango]

Bro really asked this at the worst possible time

[tight grove]

or the best time

i remember a certain someone winning in eu

[rose mango]

Let me just pin that gatrix summary

[misty estuary]

Fun is subjective as well

Like pvp is about fighting other players

If I can't practice then I'm just running random shit

If I'm just running random shit that's not fun

[tight grove]

i do agree that has been lame design

[rose mango]

S1

• Start with 50 stacks, equally 66% crit dmg only during FB
• Give 10.51% Attack Damage to self and another DPS

S2:

• When any1 uses B3, FB is prolonged by 5s max.
• Each shot during FB deals additional 137.06%

Burst:

• Reduce 17 stacks, needs to refill with 51 shots during FB to have no loss of stacks
• Deals okayish 628.7% aoe
• Give self 38.91% Hit rate
• Give self 65.25% ATK

[rose mango]

Should've been synced from the very start

[misty estuary]

P much

[tight grove]

union raid too or am i asking for too much

[misty estuary]

Sync is an insanely stupid mechanic to begin with

[tight grove]

it just doesn't fit this game

[rose mango]

Regardless, the worst part of PvP is something most people don't even know about:

What I will say about PvP is that in the end, if it's 2 good players up against each other, the match is decided by pure rng

Which is funny

To me at least

[misty estuary]

That's all gacha pvps, I don't know how extreme it is here compared to others

Every gacha pvp I've ever played or researched always comes down to an rngfest at the end of the day and it's just about win percentage

And how volatile that rng is

[tight grove]

rocket whiffs are insane rng

[misty estuary]

Volatility is the main metric to compare with

[tight grove]

i'm not sure how the championships work but if it's an elimination bracket it won't be win%

1 loss you're out

[misty estuary]

Formats is never win percentage

[rose mango]

In Nikke, the winning chances of attack should be 99% essentially if you focus on PvP units like you do on raid units

If you know the counters, the match is decided on the 1% chance of whiffing, target skipping, residual targeting, and recently that bug where one bullet literally carries over to the next round and gives the team extra burst gen.

[misty estuary]

I'm talking about theory

[misty estuary]

Yeah then that's better than other gachas

In other gachas there's some strategy, but at the end of the day, sometimes all of your CC just doesnt land and all of the other guy's CC does

[rose mango]

Champs will be fun tbh

I will have fun at least

[tight grove]

i hope the rooting system is in place

with decent rewards

[misty estuary]

I'm only gonna have fun if they give some ability to practice

like for example, the very obvious and classic friend battle system

[grizzled burrow]

i wonder what alices kit is gonna say to make them be a specific duo pair with each other.

Maybe something to do with Sodas B3/FB since Sodas kit revolves around that

[mighty relic]

Is she still worth pulling for if I don't have Leona/mpriv/tove

Or should I just WL

[foggy anchor]

Wl

[tight grove]

pull

it's fine to wl but at least pull her from wl

don't be an idiot who gets cucked

[foggy anchor]

Yeah

She's good but she needs suitable supports to make her great

[tight grove]

i think leona is not that required

leona is wanted for mpriv

but bsoda and tove work fine without both of those

go built a tove bsoda and something else team it will still be good

[fluid stag]

balice crown boda

[foggy anchor]

BAlice, Tove, Blanc, Noir, BSoda

I'm calling it

[tight grove]

balice tove bblanc bnoir bsoda

[misty estuary]

That's a bad comp

[fluid stag]

boda

bsoda sucks

boda sounds good

[mighty relic]

Will def keep Tove on my WL then

[foggy anchor]

BSoda = Black Screen Of Death Ahhh

[tight grove]

Man i dont get her mechanics

[grizzled burrow]

she buffs teammates with abit of dmg and she gives her self hit rate and crit with decent aoe dmg while having a prolonged FB each time ANYONE full bursts

[sweet panther]

what dont u get

[rose mango]

She shoot
She do big pp DPS
Tove help her attack faster, hence even more dps

Thank you for coming to ted talk

[tight grove]

bruh im blind but where she gets stacks

[sweet panther]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130700065279836251/1245105001886515210/image.png?ex=665789e5&is=66563865&hm=8cc5efd9420eede1675ead00570ccf9c87cd455e5c463e8987458c303382e3a7&

[rose mango]

The 2nd line of her skill 1

[tight grove]

ic

[sweet panther]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_5pIviQNZ-kP_FEODnS0ZIuwt3-OMLGS2_Q&s

[grizzled burrow]

some one doesnt read their terms and conditions

[tight grove]

i read them and press decline

[gleaming creek]

So she starts with 50 coins
loses 17 per burst usage
have amount requirement to active effect
but... anywher mentioned how she gains or am i bad at reading

[tight wadi]

s1

[gleaming creek]

unless thats the S1 crit damage shit?

ah ok

[gleaming creek]

i was unsure but okay

[charred swan]

I think a mod needs to pin this

I have seen countless ppl asking how is she going to get charges back today

[gleaming creek]

how is she gonna get charges back please?

[charred swan]

who knows

[gleaming creek]

dang

[charred swan]

we would acquire the knowledge if we had a place to pin them

[gleaming creek]

i guess ill pin this on my server

[grizzled burrow]

The kit doesnt say it but the video does. She gains stacks every reload

idky its not on the kit

but she only gains stacks during FB when she reloads it seems

[sweet panther]

she doesnt gain stacks every reload she gains stacks every 3 normals during full burst

[charred swan]

you really typed this huh

[grizzled burrow]

that reads as if she just gains crit dmg up to a total of 50

[sweet panther]

yes thats what the stacks do

the golden coin is the stacks

u can look at mast as well

[rose mango]

Bro read up

This is like the 10th consecutive time Kos is explaining

[manic bear]

Guys how does she gain stacks

[stoic tartan]

isnt coke kinda black? b. soda = coke

pull coke guys

[grizzled burrow]

but this one doesnt say continuosly, Sodas can make you think after just activating 3 times your crit alone will just keeping going up consistently cuz you just had to shoot 3 times. and you dont have to do anything else

[sweet panther]

continously = duration = 3s from mast

[stoic tartan]

i just looked at this kit a bit more

she seems kinda busty i mean busted

[rose mango]

Tldr:

• What is "golden chip"?
• It is the name of soda's stacks (that she can gain back during full burst).
• They have no expiry.
• When the Stage/round starts, golden chip stacks are at maximum possible stacks, which is 50.
• when soda bursts herself, stacks drop by 17, hence 50 becomes 33.
• every 3 shots during full burst, the stack count goes up by 1!

[fluid stag]

hi guys im here cuz idk how boda gain stacks

[grizzled burrow]

mast gets a debuff that lasts 3s if you shot two more times you get another stack. her duration doesnt mean you get stacks its the amount of times she shoots. the debuff only has a 3s duration to use to get more

[stoic tartan]

what is a stack can someone explain

[rose mango]

Forget mast

[fluid stag]

[rose mango]

Forget everything else

[grizzled burrow]

again why ppl are asking about soda cuz the way ppl interperate it

[rose mango]

Just read this

[stoic tartan]

PULL COKE

[fluid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/please-give-me-coke-i-need-coke-gif-12215723029240037631

[stoic tartan]

wat do we call her tho

i think B. Soda is the cleanest

[fluid stag]

boda

[stoic tartan]

B. Soda & B. Alice

[rose mango]

What do we call Alice and soda together

Bunnies

[stoic tartan]

im p sure they will be tied, like an unofficial duo

kinda like doro priv

[fluid stag]

baldlice and boda

[rose mango]

What do we call blanc and noir together

Bunnies

[sweet panther]

crit 2 times condition = attacking 3 times for soda condition

3s duration for mast = continously duration for soda

pls

its literally the same layout

[fluid stag]

they are still p3

[rose mango]

Bro leave mast out
Not needed
Just tell them what the stacks are
Brain gets confused when thinking more than one nikke probably

The name of stacks is golden chip, the rest of the tldr is pinned

[sweet panther]

it was an example

[fluid stag]

Poor mast

[zealous peak]

@rose mango What is "golden chip"?

[fluid stag]

Poor little mast

[copper cairn]

will Rupee be good with her?

[fluid stag]

tia rupee

[stoic tartan]

what's a chip

[copper cairn]

[stoic tartan]

no

[zealous peak]

https://tenor.com/view/chips-salt-snack-time-evening-snacks-eating-chips-gif-17724121181388042780

[copper cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/lays-chips-potato-chips-chips-food-junk-food-gif-17736103

[zealous peak]

now i'm hungry

[stoic tartan]

dam its actually joever if b. alice is B0 lol

exodia comp

[fluid stag]

ligma

[zealous peak]

what's ligma

[rose mango]

Holy cursed

[livid plinth]

Rupee mains eating good tonight

[stoic tartan]

why rupee mains

oh the iron stacker

rupee still F tier

[livid plinth]

She cant refresh her own stacks

[stoic tartan]

thats why we see b. alice kit

which is gonna be like

[livid plinth]

Nuh uh

Let me cope

[stoic tartan]

max stack all teammates

and then we have tove comp exodiia

[rose mango]

+10 stacks everytime soda succs my pp

Trust

[livid plinth]

Isabel saved

Alice will fix isabel

[grizzled burrow]

Golden Chip has multiple passive functions, each having certain conditions for Golden chip to do something. based on the amount of stacks. And someone can easily interpret that one of the conditions to activate its affect is to just shot 3 times and for its crit to keep going up. why ppl asked about how it stacks. cuz it just doesnt deliberaly say you gain specifically get stacks from it. it only talks about its effect.

i know how it works now but others are obv just as confused so ty for the simplification

[livid plinth]

Hoping that Alice is a b3 so you can still run leona

[fluid stag]

Plot twist baldlice b1

[livid plinth]

:0

[rose mango]

Benchlice

[livid plinth]

I hope alice is bad

So I don't have to pull her and can save for summer

[rose mango]

Bunny duo into summer

Funny

Thanks shitup

[fluid stag]

This year we got 1 summer event

2 banner +4 reruns

good luck new players

[rose mango]

We have enuf time for 2 summer events

[livid plinth]

The copium is too much

[rose mango]

Ggs fr

[stoic tartan]

its joever if b. alice is a b1 b2 or b3 that needs to burst

[livid plinth]

Yeah

[rose mango]

Being a b3 is fine?

[stoic tartan]

we need b0.5 b1.5 or b2.5

[rose mango]

mPriv burst is skippable, kinda, no?

[stoic tartan]

want to burst m.priv and b.soda

[livid plinth]

We do

[fluid stag]

Plot twist balice is good B1 but not in SG cope

[sweet panther]

b2 is probably fine too tbh

[livid plinth]

Its called reset bursts

[stoic tartan]

with so much crit rate/dmg, u want to burst leona and m. priv lol

[rose mango]

And Leona burst is crit

[stoic tartan]

yes

crit is fine here

[livid plinth]

Like tia and rupee

[rose mango]

It's fine but you'd want to rather live

[livid plinth]

First reset burst 2 unit

[rose mango]

Soda overall would give enuf of a DPS buff

Ideally she's b0

But B2 or b3 is ok

[livid plinth]

Yeah

[rose mango]

Just don't be b1

Cuz B1 means unusable

[stoic tartan]

b1 = cry

[livid plinth]

Unless she is just that good

[sweet panther]

b1 but stack increase on passive so we just dont burst her

[rose mango]

But then she also needs to heal enough

[stoic tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/seto-kaiba-yu-gi-oh-exodia-destroy-powerful-explosion-gif-16036946

rem after b. soda/b. alice banner

[rose mango]

Summer units gon be RL ig

RUMANI

Clip RL attacker

[sweet panther]

when do i get my ssr summer rapi

[stoic tartan]

wheres @opal lantern

[rose mango]

We already have that 🤓

[stoic tartan]

i miss him

[rose mango]

He cooked for like 2 hours

[stoic tartan]

bald chef

[rose mango]

When thread was made

[sweet panther]

kisenix not cooking tove unit im let down

[rose mango]

He believed in tove when no one else did

Who knew

The cope was real

[stoic tartan]

wdym

i believed in tove too

4 OL her on release

[rose mango]

On release?

Damn

[stoic tartan]

yes

proof is in tove chat

[rose mango]

I thought only kisenix did that

I don't remember

[fluid stag]

Plot twist balice b3 who re-enter in b3

[sweet panther]

https://imgflip.com/i/8s192r

i read tove and i knew it was something

but we were missing

stuff

[stoic tartan]

we need b. alice to be B0.5, and her burst to be "increases all allies stacks by 10" or some shit

[rose mango]

Damn, update will be giving tactics academy as well

Sync slots

[stoic tartan]

tsuki cooking

[rose mango]

bro been typing

[sweet panther]

ima go eat my bbq bye

[fluid stag]

Maybe she maintains whole buffs during burst?

[sweet panther]

ping me when alice kit shows b2

[stoic tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-exodia-gif-7604005

[misty estuary]

What if Rouge was B1 CDR with the following burst:

Wild Card: After B3 is activated, consume this buff to additionally reactivate the effect of a different B3 that is currently on cooldown. If no other B3 is on cooldown, then consume this effect to re-enter Burst Stage 3 instead.

[sweet panther]

b1 cdr but needs to be in 777 squad

now u can use noir burst +b3

[stoic tartan]

[tight grove]

rouge just needs 'can add +1 nikke to your squad' skill

[sweet panther]

make the duo a trio

[tight grove]

make it conditional

[misty estuary]

Also 2nd effect:

Lucky 21: Activates upon entering full burst, and if 3 of bursts activated were from allies in the same squad. Additionally re-activates the effect of bursts of characters from the same squad (considered as a separate effect to their normal bursts)

[tight grove]

if blanc then x if bnoir then y but both then nothing

[fluid stag]

Where are my cheap kits 4/4/4 and functional

[sweet panther]

back in 2022

[misty estuary]

Actually that skill is OP and def needs a nerf, time to add a minor nerf

[opal lantern]

During Full Burst*

[rose mango]

This is kinda broken tho

[misty estuary]

There we go

[misty estuary]

yeah it's extremely broken

double uptime on Alice burst is better than getting a big ass atk buff

was more so trying to think of something creative

which tbh the Lucky 21 idea would be pretty cool

[rose mango]

Maybe this works? But it's still busted

[misty estuary]

If that was the only effect and then Rouge's own buffs were meh

then JKs still stronger

[rose mango]

Rouge blanc noir and then Alice ×2

Maybe if rouge doesn't have any buffs that she gives herself it's fine

[misty estuary]

mainly doubling up bursts would be gamebreakingly OP

especially on an element focused boss

so tbh it's not something I actually would want to see

but I thought it was a cool idea

tbh the Lucky 21 effect is already strongk just by itself

[rose mango]

Yeah, it is

Tbh there's a lot of stuff they haven't tried out yet regarding skills

A lot of creativity can be done, which other games have

And nikke doesn't yet

[misty estuary]

adding another Blanc burst to incentivizing Noir burst plus doubling the hit rate would be funny af

tbh I think that idea is p cool since it's once per 2 cycles

I like the idea of Rouge incentivizing Noir, although the big downside to that

is a trios

as if comping wasn't restrictive enough

[rose mango]

Ideally I wanna bench noir for a better b3

[misty estuary]

but I liked mainly the idea of a B1 buffer that doesn't do something generic but instead does something based on who she's working with

[rose mango]

Just push modernia to some other ammo supporter

Somehow

Release a new ammo support shiftup pls

[misty estuary]

Modernia Soda time

20s full burst

[rose mango]

20s goes hard tho
Sad that we don't have any buffs that last 20s

[misty estuary]

well 20s doesn't go that hard considering you now have to pay reburst time

and even 15s buffs have expired by then

[rose mango]

Yeah I mean I get that

It's just that 20s mod burst in campaign would go hard
If there were any buffs that lasted 20s xD

Apart from crowns buff, there's nothing else

[misty estuary]

imagine the funniest shit

Soda D Modernia

20s full burst into another 20s full burst

[rose mango]

Haven't heard of D in months now
Since Elegg dropped

[misty estuary]

Waiting for D treasure that turns her SMG into an MG

[rose mango]

Surprised they didn't advertise any of the treasures

Weird

[misty estuary]

Same model but her gun now shoots a converging laser

[rose mango]

Even changed the name

[misty estuary]

Okay but honestly though collectibles are like lowkey

What I'm cautiously optimistic for this patch

Like I really REALLY wanna know

What they do

[rose mango]

+5% crit dmg and that's when I go to sleep

[tight grove]

if nothing else at least a universal upgrade for all nikke

[misty estuary]

Pain

[tight grove]

favorite item could be underwhelming

[misty estuary]

Favorite item I'm keeping my expectations low

Laplace needs a LOT to even be remotely usable

[rose mango]

Exia

All that matters

[misty estuary]

Honestly Exia is a wild card

[rose mango]

Nah trust

[misty estuary]

Easiest buff

Change the def down

To damage taken

Frima looks unsalvageable

[rose mango]

Hmm no

Frima looks salvageable

For pvp

30% hp up at lvl10

Make that 50 and she's noise at home

[misty estuary]

Imagine all these buffs

Are just for pvp

I figured it out

Laplace treasure will give her a special effect

It will turn her into loudmouth

And will just kill any nikkes she fires her loud mouth laser at

Only works in pvp.

[tight grove]

laplace clip upgrade

[rose mango]

Clip RL, new type of gun

Ez meta

[unkempt axle]

so is soda a must pull based off just being good herself or based off you have tove/mpriv/leona invested?

[opal lantern]

forgot to top up monthlies

[rose mango]

Not herself, she's one of the pieces of the puzzle of the SG team

As it stands:

• Tove Leona soda MPriv marciana

[unkempt axle]

sigh figured

i have none of them invested

LOL

[opal lantern]

bro just removes alice

[tight grove]

balice stans in shambles

[rose mango]

It's a full team so you need to start with tove
Tove: 9/7/7
Leona: 4/7/4
Then go with
Soda: 7/7/7
maidPriv: 7/7/7

[tight grove]

i really should wait until tomorrow before i say this but i think with jsut tove/soda/balice ppl are good and either pick up the others with wish list or wait for better characters its np

[unkempt axle]

rip skill books

[rose mango]

Ok man, go ahead and leak the kit

[sweet panther]

Alice kit doko

[opal lantern]

Tove burst not 10 is a sabotage

[rose mango]

Actually, maybe keep soda at 7/7/7 too for now, I don't know her scaling yet

[opal lantern]

this is what I call Snake's "I want to invest but not seriously"

if u guys do this

100% will be disappointed

[rose mango]

It's called minimum investments

And they work fine

[opal lantern]

no

their minimum investments are worse than other teams with fewer investments

[rose mango]

I'm not a whale and I'm not spending a single penny above those investments either

[opal lantern]

they need high investments to work

not minimum

they are outclassed by many teams at minimum investments

[rose mango]

This was enuf to outdps my scar SAnis combo so I'm happy

[rose mango]

Against elec weak

[fluid stag]

Time to reset midnis

Finally

Oh wait pvp still exist

[rose mango]

Electric weak still exists

[fluid stag]

oh fuck electric weak is fucked

[unkempt axle]

watching soda's motion demo, her badonkers are insane

[fluid stag]

Well if you tryhard PvP or need to maintain you top1 status

Anis MLB is good

[sturdy canopy]

Feature creep

[torn thunder]

Should I take a massive gamble and wait for summer, collab, or anniversary?

[sturdy canopy]

At this point I belive most of the player base didn't even read skill descriptions and just wait for prydwen and nikkegg review

[misty estuary]

I can't answer this question lol

not enough context

Shift Up learned how their own game works

Honestly, Soda is like

finally

FINALLY

an example of a unit that Shift Up

actually has a clear design expectation for and meets its goals

like the actual first 10/10 design in terms of establishing a purpose and meeting its needs

the previous unit in this category was S.Anis but B.Soda surpasses that

[upper atlas]

it certainly looks like that, but we'll see if this is moreso the case once B. Alice's kit release, or if it's just a fluke lol

[tight grove]

i don't think it's a fluke regardless of how alice turns out

balance team knows what they're doing for pve

[gleaming creek]

i dunno meng, Crit stats still shit in nikke... shes almost perfect cut Crit Damage? ew

[opal lantern]

any1 here on windows 11?

[misty estuary]

I already said the crit damage is good

[gleaming creek]

no, im legaly blind, send bacon prayer so i can reread

[misty estuary]

well it is, in fact, good

[gleaming creek]

now fix old soda

[torn thunder]

now fix or delete crown

[torn thunder]

it's more consistent that maiden's lmao

[gleaming creek]

180 → 120 shots for buffs
12s → 8s CD effect
12.71% → 31.91% heals

[torn thunder]

I'm planning to skip bsoda because my Tove isn't built and I'm missing Leona

[gleaming creek]

fr fr you pull SG DPS only if you got the support built up OR cuz your pp orders you

any SG that dont have high asf Hit Rate, Fast Reload & ATK buffs will suffer without tove &/or Leona

and for now only Naga Noir Sugar has 2 or 3 of these

Anis being special and needs Privaty for her S2

... can add her cuz she self-pog too

Guilty bricked by Union Chips

[analog ruin]

Guilty's reload is really bad too.

[upper atlas]

i'm in a similar boat, not enough resources to dedicated what is pretty much, nearly entirely a fresh new team. Even if I do start investing into them, there's the future problem of them being possibly powercreeped already. If any case, I might end up just resetting blanc/noir if the numbers on B.Soda/B.Alice/Tove is ridiculously high

[analog ruin]

I felt bad resetting her, but she hasn't seen much use.

[torn thunder]

and all of that so you can have a team 5 to that can be fine for every solo raid? no thanks, investment is too high

[gleaming creek]

being B2 is a curse for her too

[torn thunder]

I'm in chapter 21 hard mode lmao

[gleaming creek]

Thats the main issue of the game, high investment but poor ressource gains

Can only place your bets on units that have 90% of what they need in their own kits

[torn thunder]

Meme theory: the entire theme of the game and its story is scarcity

especially the mindset around it

[gleaming creek]

meme theory? more like core story crisis

70% of the campaign or event is "skk, we ran out of mayonaise, go fetch some on the surface"

[torn thunder]

Scarcity doesn't have to be about physical resources

[gleaming creek]

dang i read scarce city

[torn thunder]

what about scarcity of purpose, which leads Pathfinder to fall into Sixo's hands

or scarcity of morals, which leads Mary to turn Alice and many others into Nikkes

[gleaming creek]

hmmm

i dunno about all of pathfinder...

[analog ruin]

It's socio-economic disparity more than scarity.

Soverigns and the Three Manufacturers have everything. Everyone else has nothing.

[torn thunder]

and ofc somehow the Rapture Queen has even more than anything the Ark has of value

[analog ruin]

The citizens in the Ark don't want to get pushed to the Outer Rim.

But they all will in time.

[torn thunder]

Define Outer Rim as anywhere outside the Ark?

[analog ruin]

The Raptures have a solution to the problem of endless economic growth.

[torn thunder]

say if the Ark ceases to exist?

[tight grove]

most people are enjoying the ark from the events i see

[analog ruin]

Some people happily leave the Ark, even if it dooms them.

[tight grove]

how can businesses even run without people

there are loads of tetra entertainers

[analog ruin]

They don't know the Ark is going to run out of resources, and the Sovereigns do.

[summer lily]

only one i have played where that wasn't the case really was kings raid cuz it was a real time action pvp mode with your 4 characters. some units did have some really stupid rng in their kits though lol

[tight grove]

i think we'll be fine with some bullshit story

[summer lily]

like a unit that had a 15% chance to stun on every instance of damage they dealt

[analog ruin]

Personally, I think Mustang built Tetra to rip off as many Sovereigns as possible.

[torn thunder]

so it will be a matter of time before citizens are sacrificed to the power source, a la Frostpunk child the the Generator?

[fluid stag]

[tight grove]

what does sovereign even mean i never heard that word i lore

[analog ruin]

The ultra wealthy.

[tight grove]

cental government?

[gleaming creek]

SHOGUN

[tight grove]

i'm not sure any ark citizen is an ultra wealthy

[analog ruin]

Rupee's job is to make videos of shopping sprees on super expensive items that normal Ark citizens can't afford, which she happens to sell at the mall she owns.

"Sovereigns are distinguished by their specially-ordered citizen chips, which often use organic materials or are custom work by famous designers."

Replay Anis' bond story. It's episode 3.

[tight grove]

aight

[torn thunder]

all jokes and lore aside

I'd rather wait

if I do worse at a solo raid, probably gravedigger, so be it

[tight grove]

like a quarter of a percent worse you'll manage

[analog ruin]

I still use Sugar as a backup on Special Interception and Event Challenges with GD. She's still mechanically one of the best counters to it.

[torn thunder]

This is unlike D Killer Wife, I thought people will laugh at me for spending 170 pulls for mlb

[tight grove]

pretty sure we're all in the who cares what we do category

free top ranks

[fluid stag]

If gd prepare to suffer motion sickness

[torn thunder]

What I'm scared SU will do is make collab Stellar Blade release a hyper broken wind DPS

[tight grove]

at least they can rerun her

not that i think they would

[analog ruin]

They might. Once soon and again when the PC version is launched.

[torn thunder]

can we finally have some s-risk depression story? Say if Gatekeeper was near the Ark?

[misty estuary]

new unit releases ranked according to their design and tuning on release (so pre-buff RH):

couldn't find her on the tiermaker I was using

[opal lantern]

Crown is in no way innovative.

[misty estuary]

I disagree

[opal lantern]

And Rosanna being down there means this is quite biased.

Rosanna is actually quite nicely designed.

Nero too.

[misty estuary]

They def put good thought into where Crown could land and what buff packages she can offer to enable potential teams and shake up the meta beyond just sloting directly into something like Dorothy Priv and calling it a day

[misty estuary]

again this is by release

Rosanna can't do her job on release

Nero too

and I'm p sure afaik nero is still trash

[opal lantern]

She can. Just that the tech hasn't been discovered.

[misty estuary]

dunno about Rosanna

[opal lantern]

Nah, Nero is used.