[Trony] New Unit Megathread

[hard sable]

[kind kettle]

no it means she's trash

or that debuff doesn't exist

to be fair the only unit can help us to clear at 49.99% deficit

won't be a dmg buff or dmg debuff

but a defense reduction

talk about misery

-100% defense, 100% uptime

or armor pierce whatever

[plucky silo]

Oh, I don't expect her to be usable in campaign at all

Just looking at possibility of taking down other Fire units in Solo Raid

Like how Wind Bringer made us use Eunhwa/Signal/Nihilister

If she's better than 2B, she has a role

[patent fern]

we use 2b cuz she not req meta buffer, but im not sure about trony

[plucky silo]

We use 2B cuz we don't have enough good Fire DPS units

[hard sable]

Facts

[modest pelican]

Guys, I think the play here is to stack crit rate and crit damage OLs so she can reach accumulated damage faster through crit fishing

[hard sable]

Is someone doing maths?

No updated pins

[frigid juniper]

2B low key sucks

[hard sable]

[plucky silo]

Math people are waiting for her actual release

cuz too many variables that are iffy atm

Distributed damage is weird

[lunar flax]

too many opportunities for snapshotting to either bless or curse her kit, for starters

but also she's a SR attacker with no pierce....

[hard sable]

no pierce SR

[lunar flax]

if she was defender or supporter no pierce is fine. It's not like Liter is held back by having the worst weapon in the game after all (SMG).

but attacker?

dead on arrival

[plucky silo]

Yeah, snapshots could be the other major factor to save her

[hard sable]

Even Dwife has pierce

[modest pelican]

The major sucky part is the accumulated damage is limited to self. Doro’s can be accumulated by the entire team

[lunar flax]

the fact her S1 clearly states "occurs if no enemy has status" makes me think that if you can outdamage the 5s (in which case skill clearly states it deals damage and ends) then you aren't gated by it

but whether it's physically possible to hit cap in 5s is another question

[modest pelican]

I don’t think it is outside burst tbh

[lunar flax]

is it possible within burst?

won't the burst raise the cap too?

it's final ATK lol

[modest pelican]

That burst increases her accumulation ratio

So instead of banking 50% per her s1, she’s banking 113%

That should help reaching cap

Basically, her damage is burst focused IMO

[lunar flax]

we aren't accounting for elemental damage

if she's hitting on element she might be really good?

[modest pelican]

That’s true. You may need to stack that OLs

[lunar flax]

since that'll boost the damage dealt but not the cap, so she'll hit cap much more reliably

[modest pelican]

Normally, she can probably get 4 fully charged shots off in 5s

Maybe quick shots can help her reach cap? Idk

In any case, I’m leaning toward skip

Seems like she needs crazy high investment

[lunar flax]

actually does the cap serve any purpose

[modest pelican]

We think the bomb doesn’t go off unless she hits cap

[lunar flax]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

[modest pelican]

That’s what it seems like right now anyway

So basically, if you can’t hit cap, you don’t get the big boom

[lunar flax]

yeah I see I see, you're right

[plucky silo]

What we need to hope for is that her final ATK is snapshot before the burst's ATK buff applies

[modest pelican]

Well, if you apply the status before going into burst, it should snapshot at old final attack, right?

[plucky silo]

Hopefully

[lunar flax]

nah the hopium is that Elemental Damage + Core Damage is enough to trigger it out of burst

go hard on her not-ATK buffs

[plucky silo]

Doubt it

With OL lines for Elemental damage, maybe

She's not getting OL gear from me tho

[lunar flax]

not just Elemental Damage

JK Core damage / Dorothy Part Damage / etc

will also help her hit the cap

[modest pelican]

Yeah. That’s why I say she’s super high investment, with not good enough returns

Rocks can go toward much better units who don’t have a gimmick like this

[lunar flax]

dumb take

but

will she do better in CP deficit where her final ATK is low as shit?

[modest pelican]

Doubt it. Her nuke will be similarly nerfed

[lunar flax]

yeah but if ATK is nerfed while core damage, part damage, elemental damage, etc is not

she might be able to hit it out of burst

when otherwise she cannot

probably no difference

well outside of boss fights she's hot garbage anyway

[modest pelican]

Also, an issue is that she’s only for bosses

[lunar flax]

since enemy needs to take 1536% without dying

yeah

[plucky silo]

Yeah, I consider her like Guillo. Could be good, but too difficult to make her good

Until we get testing, at least

[modest pelican]

And if you’re bossing at deficit, why wouldn’t you use red hood, Alice, SBS, scarlet, etc

[kind spindle]

Raid players rejoy

[plucky silo]

Yeah, I'm only looking at raids

Trony seems useless for deficit play

at first glance

[lunar flax]

Alright let's do the quick math for an ideal team

• Let's conservatively assume 50% elemental damage bonus from cubes/lines/base damage buff
• Core damage is 200%, add Naga to make it 325%
• Add Crown for 57% Damage buff

A charge shot deals 70 x 2.5 = 175% of ATK

Add other modifiers, 175 x 1.5 x 3.25 x 1.57 = 1339% of ATK

The cap to hit is.... 1536%

With some better lines or a B1 who gives non-ATK damage buffs, it might be possible to hit it in one shot????

or have I severely fucked up the math somewhere

[plucky silo]

Cap to hit is actually 3072%

Damage ratio of 50%

[lunar flax]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok so outside bosses she remains garbage

within bosses though

with a good team she should hit S1 out of burst

[plucky silo]

Hence why the snapshotting for burst is vital

[lunar flax]

so snapshotting won't matter

[plucky silo]

101% ATK gives her that effective 100% ratio

as long as S1 procs pre-burst

[lunar flax]

This is 3 charge shots in 5 seconds out of burst

very do-able

just give her non-atk buffs

e.g. damage dealt (Crown), core damage (Naga), elemental damage

[modest pelican]

Give an attacker non-attack buffs…

[lunar flax]

damage buffs which aren't ATK

[modest pelican]

She’s the only one who works that way

[lunar flax]

she's opposite of Emilia

who wants all the ATK stat buffs

[modest pelican]

So basically she has anti synergy with RH b1 and liter?

[patent fern]

no

[lunar flax]

not anti synergy, they just don't help her hit her S1

[patent fern]

atk buff still make her s1 deal more dmg, it just not help her trigger s1 easier

[plucky silo]

Yeah, give her the buffers that better DPS units will be taking

[lunar flax]

my napkin math TL;DR

• With good supports (Crown & Naga) she can trigger S1 outside of burst for consistent DPS
• Whether that's worth giving her good supports I don't know
• ATK supports e.g. Liter will boost damage but won't help her trigger S1 outside burst which is likely crucial

[modest pelican]

I see an issue with liter + trony

[patent fern]

if def down not useless, mast is her bff

[plucky silo]

Liter's ATK buff is only 5 sec

[modest pelican]

You give her really high attack buffs, bomb snapshot triggers, liter buff falls off in 5s, trony struggles to hit accumulation cap during burst

[plucky silo]

ye

Second round of S1 would have to hit the Liter ATK buff threshold but lose the buff part of the way through

Crown giving 15 seconds of buff makes her the absolute queen

King, sorry

[lunar flax]

Trony needs Crown desperately

her huge damage buff is basically required

[plucky silo]

But is Trony worth taking Crown away from SBS/Alice

[patent fern]

xlud s1 help trony too

[lunar flax]

replacing SBS against fire-weak enemies.... maybe?

[plucky silo]

But Alice is fire

[lunar flax]

yeah replace SBS/Alice with Trony/Alice

[plucky silo]

ahh

Half to see if Trony's DPS is actually high enough for that to make a difference

SBS and RH generally deal so much universal damage that they don't care about element

Element just makes them bonkers

[sterile tapir]

tbh i doubt trony will reach SBS damage on bosses

even with ele adv

[plucky silo]

Same

I feel like she's better than I expected tho

[lunar flax]

nah she's about right for a wishlist-able B3

[kind kettle]

don't doubt

[sterile tapir]

if trony S1 wasn't just a "collect and release" but a "collect and improve" then she might be something

[plucky silo]

Seems like there's room to make her work

[kind kettle]

she wont'

[sterile tapir]

but this this straight up useless

[plucky silo]

unlike Bay

[lunar flax]

currently looks like Trony summary is gonna be:

• If you love her (foot fetishists this is you) then yes, with a good team (e.g. Crown & Naga) she can deal consistent damage both during and outside burst. Without elemental damage she needs 4 full charge shots within 5s to trigger her S1, which is very do-able.

• If you don't love her.... she will find a place against fire-weak bosses in SR, with elemental advantage (at least 2 OL lines) she should be able to trigger S1 out of burst with e.g. Bunnies for consistent damage on a mid-range team.

• Unless you're a foot fetishist or a tryhard who wants to ensure high placement next fire-weak SR, don't roll. She's too mid to waste summer gems on, being team 3/4 only when elemental advantage.

[leaden latch]

i looked at the kit and either i dont understand it or it looks kinda ass

and im too lazy to math it atm

[modest pelican]

Bay has assets

[plucky silo]

Assets of no concern to me

I'm not here for T&A

[plucky silo]

She has permanent self-fueled, limited radius Doro bursts in her S1 that only activate if she completes it. S2 relies on S1 proccing or is otherwise forgettable. Burst makes proccing S1 easier

[hard sable]

T&a?

[plucky silo]

🍈 🍈 and 🍑

[clever lance]

tits and ass

[hard sable]

Oh thanks

So why are you playing Nikke?

I'm curious now

[plucky silo]

The gameplay

[hard sable]

[fading plinth]

Yeah me too! We are all here for the gameplay.

[clever lance]

did we had a fire weak math yet

[hard sable]

Elija is here for the story

[plucky silo]

I saw ads for Nikke and thought it was a game I'd never remotely touch. Had friends pick it up and heard there's a clan system. Saw Epinel and figured I'd give it a try if I got her

[hard sable]

"saw epinel"

Loli lover

[plucky silo]

lol

Epinel isn't loli

https://tenor.com/view/basuke-hilman-wataten-noa-high-gif-22457350

This is a loli

[clever lance]

she is in the nono list

[kind kettle]

she-nono?

[plucky silo]

Yeah, because Discord guidelines are dumb

and normies are blind

Rei is the only actual loli in Nikke

[vapid gull]

yeah should reach 1500%+ in 1 attack with adequate Elemental buff

[plucky silo]

Trony, Epinel, Poli, etc. are just smol

[hard sable]

[plucky silo]

Trony's going to be expensive to make good

[hard sable]

Bro wanna live behind the jail

[plucky silo]

I'm mostly just curious about her skill scaling

[clever lance]

she might shine on fire weak math

imagine she just nukes the adds with s1 and skips shield phase

while pumping fat dps

[plucky silo]

My baseline for whether I'll dump resources into her is if she ends up beating 2B in damage

[vapid gull]

but how fast she reach her cap doesnt matter that much, cuz her S1 is just a duplicate of hetr normal attack

[clever lance]

then useless in other cases

[vapid gull]

not even close

2B in SR, once she reach full health stacks have like X2 dps

[plucky silo]

Imagine her S1 doesn't deal element like Doro's burst

[vapid gull]

it does because it's duplicating her normal attack...

(it does and it doesnt lol)

[plucky silo]

Never know with Shift Up

[vapid gull]

just use common sense

[plucky silo]

It's creating a pool of damage that's released when a certain damage is hit

That's like Doro

[vapid gull]

yes

that's like doro

[plucky silo]

It's not an enhanced normal attack like SBS

Trony just has no way of dealing damage aside from normal attacks

[vapid gull]

if doro has elemental roll
her normal attack do more damage
her brand get filled up quicker
does that makes sense?

[patent fern]

no, cuz other nikkes also help doro

[plucky silo]

but the Brand's damage doesn't get the modifier

[vapid gull]

no but her normal attack does, and the brand is duplicating that

[lunar flax]

She has two breakpoints of note

• hitting cap within 5s, this is crucial and doing so outside burst boosts her considerably, which my math days needs either top tier supports or elemental damage and mid support

• if she can hit it in one attack she's viable outside boss fights as can do AoE against mobs

[vapid gull]

[patent fern]

doro cant fill her burst alone right?

[vapid gull]

outside boss fight is cope

[plucky silo]

She can

[patent fern]

your doro has enough dps for that...?

[lunar flax]

Yeah first one is the important and viable breakpoint outside absurd investment

[plucky silo]

3x Element, 3x ATK

[clever lance]

what happens if mob dies

does it transfer to another mob

or just pops

[plucky silo]

Just disappears

[vapid gull]

it prob just explode
like doro brand

[clever lance]

or it fizzles

[plucky silo]

S1 starts again on another mob

No, explosion is only on damage reached

which is why she's going to be bad

[vapid gull]

i think her brand works exactly like doro except others cant fill it up, that's it

[vapid gull]

you dont know that

[plucky silo]

The skills explicitly say it

Dorothy's skill is that damage is built up for a duration and released at the end of the duration

[clever lance]

the skill says it pops on 5 sec timer

wdym

[plucky silo]

Trony accumulates damage and releases damage when cap is hit

[plucky silo]

No, it's says the status lasts for five seconds

[vapid gull]

it's vague

[plucky silo]

It's not

[clever lance]

wait

[plucky silo]

Effect 3

[kind kettle]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/106275978?category=정보&p=1

a chef

I don't verify this one

[clever lance]

if it doesn't pop on 5 sec timer

[plucky silo]

Applies status for five seconds. If cap hit, release damage

[clever lance]

its so bad

can you read the jp one too

[plucky silo]

Yes

[clever lance]

I assumed its aoe if you reach the cap

[vapid gull]

it also doesnt say what happen when the timer run out, or if a full charge can refresh the timer

[clever lance]

and its not if you don't

[vapid gull]

it's vague and the demonstrator is shit

[clever lance]

it never registered to me it just fizzle

[plucky silo]

"At the time in which accumulated damage has been achieved, distributed damage to all enemies in the vicinity"

Also, the higher line in EN is a bit different from JP

EN mentions that it can pop early if damage is reached before the status ends

[next arrow]

we have less than 24h to test it out

[plucky silo]

JP just says that the damage is released whenever cap is reached

[clever lance]

its worded so scuffed ong

at least its not something that stacks dots

so does elegg work with her or nah

[plucky silo]

Pretty much no

Unless you dump massive amounts into Trony, then maybe?

At current, it seems unreliable that she'll be able to even produce distributed damage outside of burst

[vapid gull]

eleg give her like 10% dmg up

[patent fern]

doro burst said "once duration ends"

[plucky silo]

Yeah, Doro's is incredibly specific

[vapid gull]

oh it's still say caster's atk on Doro?

should be "final" attack

Alice keep bitching about the word "final" like a god damn parrot

[plucky silo]

Old screenshot

[vapid gull]

oh ok

[patent fern]

iirc doro burst was bugged too

[vapid gull]

fair

[clever lance]

this s1 skill description needs a description by itself

[hard sable]

yep

[vapid gull]

when was it

oh i remember

OL buff wasnt working

lol

[clever lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1g7ZKWJEpY

[plucky silo]

Mhm

[clever lance]

mathman uploaded

lets check

[leaden latch]

u think shift up knows whats final and what's casters? its been a year and my weapons still dont have final attack

[vapid gull]

this also made Alice whined like a bitch

he said something about RH doing final atk so she's stronger than everyone else

[patent fern]

[next arrow]

THE KING SPEAKS

[patent fern]

die cuz 0 healer

[leaden latch]

crown

[vapid gull]

her only spot is in my basem-

[lunar flax]

Nvm I forgot she isn't electric

[civic gull]

Electric shock squad... Is fire

[leaden latch]

imagine not being electric while being in squad electric shock

[next arrow]

electric shocks cause fire doe

[patent fern]

it will be useful against ele shield though

[clever lance]

more like static shock with these dps numbers

[patent fern]

full team 1 type wont work for most raid boss now...

[plucky silo]

Needs core to reach true potential

one of the main tyrants she's elementally strong against requires pierce to hit core

[civic gull]

Pierce where

[patent fern]

she just need 8 ammo?

[plucky silo]

Would've had pierce if tomorrow's raid was SR Alteisen

[clever lance]

also remember what I said, if she doesn't get piece its by design skip unit. They will not release a good sniper without pierce ever ong

[vapid gull]

9, just in case

oh well u can bastion

[hard sable]

Not here

[civic gull]

Even dkw got some pierce smh

[plucky silo]

Oh right

S1

Forgot since I always let AI control her

[hard sable]

Pierce is just a social constructivism

[clever lance]

sniper without piece is 100% skip

[vapid gull]

exia god soon trust

[plucky silo]

Crown god

[patent fern]

yulha...

or helm

[plucky silo]

Yulha and Helm are buffers

[clever lance]

they need to be new

[patent fern]

still atker

[plucky silo]

They wouldn't deal damage even with pierce

[clever lance]

like dwife, no sr without piece will be good

the pirce is just devs confirming that the unit will be useful

[plucky silo]

Crown + Naga lets Trony proc S1 every three shots on off-burst 👀

[clever lance]

without it, its just a filler

[patent fern]

pierce still help them heal more during helm burst

[clever lance]

even naga has pierce

[plucky silo]

Naga has everything

except CDR

[patent fern]

or shield

[plucky silo]

True

[clever lance]

what if you make her 300% ammo and full charge once then spamshot

[patent fern]

too much work...

[kind kettle]

she needs 22 shot

to fill that cap

so more than 5s

oh hell nah

unless you want that funny ban message shows up

[solar cedar]

once s2 and s1 are triggered

eat some macaroons

for 5s

repeat

[plucky silo]

"I think with the full investment...she might be even with Modernia"

[hard sable]

Oh wait with modernia no ols

Make sense

[plucky silo]

And that's assuming boss with core weak to fire

[lunar flax]

Investment wise she just wants elemental damage tbh

To justify her use in SR against fire weak bosses and help trigger S1 outside burst

But also that's a lot of skill books for someone you'll only use against fire weak bosses

[plucky silo]

Could be nice in UR as well to allow us to avoid using Alice on a Centurion

[clever lance]

2b says hi

[hard sable]

Well I like characters like mpriv who are really strong against weak bosses

[plucky silo]

2B said hi to skill reset

[lunar flax]

To be clear to reliably hit S1 during an off-burst she'll likely need minimum:

• 2 Elemental lines
• Bunny tier supports

[clever lance]

dw you will invest in her again when another fire weak sr rolls in

[plucky silo]

You bet I will!

[leaden latch]

if u spam her without caring about her s1/2 how does that compare to using her s1/2

[lunar flax]

Her kit revolves entirely around her s1

[plucky silo]

Spamming would make her S1 easier to proc

[lunar flax]

Without it just take Eunwha lol

[plucky silo]

You'd just sacrifice the S2 buff

[leaden latch]

eunhwa with 101% atk buff on burst

[lunar flax]

75% more off burst, ~170% more during burst

If you give up on her S1

E.g. shooting mobs instead of a boss

That's what you're missing out on

And that's a direct damage buff like Emilias, so doesn't get diluted like e.g. ATK buffs

[leaden latch]

yea but ur getting extra raw shots compared to full charge right just needs the ammo to fuel it

[lunar flax]

Possibly worth full charge only when S1 is inactive

But realistically just always full charge

[leaden latch]

without ammo issues spam shot and at 4/s spamming is aprox 60% increase right?

[lunar flax]

If you wanna manual her to glory, you'd full charge, spam shot until S1 explodes, repeat

[leaden latch]

considering with crown 73% reload total with resil ammo isnt too bad if used in both situations

[plucky silo]

I'll probably pass on investing much into her for now

Wait until end of banner for next patch notes to see SR boss element

[lunar flax]

I'll probably wishlist her but definitely not rolling

[plucky silo]

I always give three multis for new characters cuz I like collecting

and I'd rather use wishlist for dupes

[lunar flax]

I'm hoarding to MLB summer units

[plucky silo]

Yup, I always MLB limiteds at minimum

I'll regret not getting MLB Power and Makima until EoS

[hard sable]

Bro wanna mlb summer neon

[lunar flax]

Wow I mean new ones

Hopefully second banner is the meta one again

Might pick up Sanis dupes or Shelm

[plucky silo]

My S Anis is max core, so not looking forward to spooks

[lunar flax]

Lol

[leaden latch]

u know i just read a thing that reminded me

elegg distributed dmg buff increases doro cap not the dmg

[kind kettle]

why do you cook unknown mech

[leaden latch]

imagine if trony s2 increases her s1 cap instead of dmg

[kind kettle]

[leaden latch]

[civic gull]

I hope we get summer exia, so she gets called Sexia

[kind kettle]

save your neuron

verify it tmr

[plucky silo]

Because too many people have "first hour pull" syndrome

Gotta cook early or everyone will have food poisoning

[leaden latch]

let them have food poisoning they will learn eventually

[plucky silo]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-its-raw-raw-gif-12603501

[plucky silo]

they won't tho

[kind kettle]

Bay was great one

[plucky silo]

Modernia banner: "I won't pull on Pilgrim banners again!"
Dorothy banner: "I won't pull on Pilgrim banners again!"
Red Hood banner: "I won't pull on Pilgrim banners again!"
SBS banner: "I won't pull on Pilgrim banners again!"
Crown banner: "I won't pull on Pilgrim banners again!"

[kind kettle]

caught me off guard

[plucky silo]

[kind kettle]

[plucky silo]

The Noise alt?

Or was it Naga?

[next arrow]

mod killed 120 of my rolls and made me quit for 3 months

[lunar flax]

This year's trash summer to replace Neon is gonna be Admi

If you roll her, you're gonna be Sad-mi

[plucky silo]

Not enough booba

[leaden latch]

i havent pulled on pilgrim banners since rh

[civic gull]

won't be too bad as long as we get Stove

[plucky silo]

They better not forget Sugar this time

[idle plinth]

Milk Summer skin please.

Complete the squad.

[plucky silo]

🤝

[hard sable]

Emma alt

double gacha summer skin xD

[hallow citrus]

tronmid?

[kind spindle]

I rate Trony an F, which stands for Feet.

[inland delta]

Why all bother mathing

Shes bad

[plucky silo]

Because a lot of fire characters are bad

[kind spindle]

nah, you only simp for Water NIKKE

[hexed folio]

W/o macro even Alice is mid

[kind spindle]

which I can understand, they have some... big talents

[plucky silo]

[oblique notch]

nah

alice still good on auto

[plucky silo]

Alice is fine human-controlled if you git gud

[oblique notch]

either way she's on auto for me

who wants to destroy their hands when you have a gamer chair

[inland delta]

I would only consider Trony for 1. Doro team when fire is needed.

With elegg

[plucky silo]

You'd have no healer then

Or are you suggesting knocking out S Anis?

[oblique notch]

sanis can go play with tove

[inland delta]

No, we throw Biscuit away

[plucky silo]

Still lacking a healer

Doro/Elegg/S Anis/Trony/Privaty

[inland delta]

Noooooooo

We throw Privaty away

[plucky silo]

That seems like a bad idea

RIP CDR

[oblique notch]

without priv why even sanis/doro

[plucky silo]

Doro would still make sense because Elegg

[oblique notch]

rip it apart team up differently

[plucky silo]

But yeah, might as well switch S Anis for someone who benefits Trony

[inland delta]

Nothing

Technically only 2B

Which tanks

[willow field]

Marciana

[plucky silo]

Yeah, I was simply responding to Kisenix specfically mentioning Elegg

I'd put Marciana there as well

[inland delta]

That team is gonna score less than Biscu Eunhwa lmao

[plucky silo]

Probably

[inland delta]

Doro Elegg 2B Trony Privaty

Bad idea

Food poisoning

Anyways trony bad

[willow field]

ez skip

[inland delta]

Needs leveled skills to work

10/10/10 even

[willow field]

Need to recuperate from the damage Crown has done to my stash

[plucky silo]

Yeah, I'm planning to enjoy looking at the skill scaling

[snow tapir]

https://youtu.be/G1g7ZKWJEpY?si=fqzxYDCFiKFmaKtu

All you need to know about trony is here

Such a good video

[snow tapir]

Trony deniers in shambles

Tantan was right

Trony takes over 2b

[hallow citrus]

[snow tapir]

One thing he points out is that she needs non ATK buffers

So:

• blanc's damage taken
• Naga's core damage + Tia's attack damage
• crowns attack damage

I'll list everything and elaborate when I find the time

But sky basically did everything

All it needs is proper testing and team comp theorycrafting

Find a place for trony to fit in

[hallow citrus]

Snake looks like feet enjoyer

[red portal]

Snakes dont have feet

[snow tapir]

Some major keypoints are:

• trony maybe needs core, non core she may suck ass. If she's on elements, it might save her from being useless tho.
• requires as much offensive non-ATK buffs as possible to improve the frequency and damage per nuke
• peak damage is comparable to marian

Now we await gatrix

I think sky skipped over some key points here now that I rewatched the vid, I'll think about it later

But he's more or less right

From what I see at least

[opal forum]

So ez skip?

[snow tapir]

Idk

Yet

[plucky silo]

For F2P, heavily investing doesn't look worthwhile atm

[snow tapir]

Why

[plucky silo]

Because she's raid only and strong element is important

[snow tapir]

Huh

[patent fern]

you think she reliable without ele bonus?

[plucky silo]

He said she'd maybe reach Modernia with 10/10/10 on boss with core and strong element

[snow tapir]

So raids are a bad reason to pull for now?

There's 3 contents in the game dude

[plucky silo]

That's not exactly F2P friendly

[snow tapir]

Campaign, raid and PvP

[patent fern]

no, but if it just for 1/5 raid...

[plucky silo]

Yes, and if next raid isn't fire weak

waste of resources

[snow tapir]

She seems f2p friendly to me if I really think about it

[plucky silo]

Better off saving for the next banner which will be featured for June SR

[snow tapir]

I think she'll do fine in campaign too

[civic gull]

[warped hill]

maybe needs core, may suck ass without core

Seems F2P friendly

[plucky silo]

Most F2P probably don't have Crown fully upgraded yet

She's a much higher priority

[snow tapir]

Oho

I misspoke

I meant tower

[plucky silo]

That makes more sense

[snow tapir]

Im pretty much the worst budgeter for things as f2p

Its fair to say that having spent on no resources ever, f2p shouldn't have a huge problem to pull a meta unit (if she's meta)

If she's mod level damage, you should pull her

That's that

[plucky silo]

Oh, I'm not saying skip

I'm saying don't heavily invest yet

[patent fern]

just focus on general dps first if you f2p

[snow tapir]

F2p doesn't mean newbie

If you've been playing for a while, you probably have 4 teams set

[leaden latch]

i save books to spend on soloraid tbh

but my sw buffers r still 444

[patent fern]

how many ppl has almost perfect alice/mod/rh/sbs...

[leaden latch]

that was hard last SR

[snow tapir]

Not me

But that's OL rolls

That's different

[hard sable]

Perfect Alice mod rh SBS lol

overloaded yes but perfect

[plucky silo]

Yeah, anyone Over Zone and onward should have majority of core units' skills right by now

[hard sable]

[plucky silo]

(assuming they have the luck to own them)

[lunar flax]

Yeah owning is the bigger issue

I'm a day 1 player (who took breaks) and still don't have SW for example. So SW teams just aren't viable for me.

[snow tapir]

Still don't have nero xd

[patent fern]

i think nikke req 777 and 6/12 lines is f2p friendly, more than that to do her job is expensive

[snow tapir]

Still have never pulled jackal

Xd

Got biscuit 10 months after her banner

Such is F2p lyf

Hence why I spend 50 on every banner

[lunar flax]

Waiting for the next duo before I try to wishlist them and D killer wife lol

[patent fern]

if this part req s1 lvl10... its jover

[lunar flax]

If only the cap goes up.... Is lvl1 not better? Lol

Unless lvl1 cap is even higher, lol

[plucky silo]

That would be hilarious

More potential damage, but you can't achieve it

So warped

[lunar flax]

Well if it can be reapplied next shot as it reads currently

It's not even more potential damage

E.g. let's say you double the cap

You could've just procced S1 twice for same effect

[patent fern]

you cant proc s1 twice at same time

[plucky silo]

?

[lunar flax]

If S1 raises cap with levels like Doro.... Don't fucking touch it

????

Let's say you have boss

[lunar flax]

Low cap - every shot explodes dealing ~70% more damage

High cap, every fourth shot explodes dealing ~70% of the four shots

The status goes away when you hit cap, since it says it ends when it deals damage

[plucky silo]

Ahh, that's what you meant

Gotcha

I just meant more potential damage per explosion, not total DPS

[lunar flax]

Ahh roght

Right

I guess if cap is too low you might miss out

E.g. if dealing 1500 ATK and cap is 1000, you miss out on the bonus for a third of it

[leaden latch]

imagine if ur cap is like 100 dmg too high

and u have to shoot an extra time

[lunar flax]

Yeah Trony is really gonna wish her S1 could be toggled up and down lol

So cap is slightly lower than X shots of damage during burst

Where X is 1-4

[plucky silo]

That's where I don't think she's friendly to invest. It's gonna be tricky to get her adjusted right, and you'll definitely need to understand your supports' investment levels, too

Requires brain work

[smoky goblet]

there's pretty much no chance that the 50% isn't lower at s1

they've learned to not make kits that discourage investment

you will burn those books

easiest example I can think of is sanis, in her preview, being clip sg meant she didn't need to raise her burst like at all to get 1shot reloads. then boom on release oops not clipsg, gotta take her to 9

[plucky silo]

Idk, Bay was very low investment for me

[smoky goblet]

after seeing sky's vid, good to see my napkin math was pretty accurate, really want those jks or equivalent

[plucky silo]

Yup, or Crown

Crown's especially nice since her near 100% uptime on buffs gives Trony more consistency

[smoky goblet]

sounds like you missed out on some earlier convo, she can't blow up in one shot, the first shot applies the debuff but applies no %, shown in the vid

so at minimum 2 shots

and that's probably not unless hyperwhaled to have element like mad, I'd expect 1+2 shots for standard (jk/crown) teams

[plucky silo]

Yeah, lowest number I saw him note was 1.8 shots for Crown/Naga on her burst

But I think that was with only 60% from element

so OL lines could push that to 2 shots

[lunar flax]

oh thanks for heads up, high cap makes more sense then since first shot is essentially "wasted" so more shots per explosion will help with that

[next tundra]

Not the first time video failed to do the skill justice or simply shed no light on the kit

Trony sounding like she lands somewhere between Julia and Laplace

Until tests confirm actual damage performance and impact

Like how big is the AoE radius, and how effective her damage really is on killable stuff or the boss when she’s bursting

[buoyant chasm]

too much text to read: how is she so far paper wise, analysis people?

Great?
Acceptable?
Mid?
Skippable?

[mystic bloom]

Good for those who don't have SW?

[hard sable]

Dorodable

[buoyant chasm]

souka

ill skip and get in standard

[sterile tapir]

@snow tapir verdict?

[hard sable]

He is waiting for the feetback

[mystic bloom]

[snow tapir]

None yet

[sterile tapir]

[clever lance]

porbably its a skip

but we need to see how she works in game

[hard sable]

if meta solo raid i'll pull

[main axle]

i hope it's a skip

[lunar flax]

What if meta only against fire weak SR bosses? Because that's what it's looking like

[hard sable]

maybe skip

[tight rune]

T-Rony, I swear if she raps...

[mystic bloom]

LUL

[next tundra]

If she is meta

It's a non-piercing Sniper anyway...

Definitely going to still lose to the other piercing snipers that are already meta

[ionic wraith]

she’ll be meta against whale in tower

[oblique notch]

after alice/mod fire is lacking she'll be meta in raids for her element

[shut scroll]

So... the question remains, pull or skip? Is she good?
Not that I care, I still want to get RH in my roster...

[opal forum]

maybe trony is slightly better than harran for the early game, but when you get to chapter 17 or so it'll be a massive dropoff

[next tundra]

It just depends too much on test results

We’ll see

[tender jolt]

that probably isn't accurate. Harran drops because her skills don't scale and by ch17 you start reaching 7-10 on others. Trony (and most new units really) don't share that misfortune. If she is of any use early, she would scale into later chapters as well.

Tho the kit doesn't seem like story material, same issues as dorothy.

[inland delta]

Are u a new maid or did u change name

[mighty walrus]

was a maid before even n3x and frankyhub

[inland delta]

He

[next arrow]

Maint just started

[willow field]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/968098119717904433/1232631058747625494/Bay-Spin.gif

IT'S BAY O'CLOCK MFER

[topaz quartz]

whats the general verdict?

[next arrow]

dunno yet, lemme board my time machine

[fair saffron]

general verdict is that her shooting animation is off due to her oversized head

[flat ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663946192849207314/1238699899432861696/1610601519140974592.gif

[kind spindle]

general verdict is that you guys cause more trauma to Trony by sending her to the battle field.

https://tenor.com/view/shame-ring-bell-walk-got-gif-5554002

[wanton dew]

general verdict: gotta sole your support and put your foot down and roll

[kind spindle]

Trony belongs to a bedroom.

that sound kinda wrong

but hot somehow

[pseudo cradle]

Sending Trony to frontline to die

[kind kettle]

lv 1 value

[next arrow]

what the fuck????

they didn't think of scaling the accumulate damage per shot on s1>??

alright, lvl 1 s1 strats then

[keen fjord]

Doubt they think and test that hard lmao

[next arrow]

We too big brain

[proper sky]

Then it definitely deals damage after 5s even without hitting cap

[next arrow]

IT DOES

I JUST TESTED IN GUIDE RANGE

TRONY'S MARK DOES DAMAGE WHEN EXPIRING

EVEN WITHOUT HITTING CAP

BRAVE NEW META

[kind kettle]

50 pulls

wrong trony

shortest you can do is 1170+17

if you know what I mean

so 4 shots within 5s is doable

[molten niche]

hows the new feetured character trony

[proper sky]

Then attack buffs should be slightly better than other types of buff

If we don't count diminishing return from burst self buff

Because less mark refreshes = better dps

[kind kettle]

ah I understand her S1 now

3 effects are the elaboration

I thought I had to hit it 3 times to trigger 3 effects

silly me

[mild token]

Smh

They tought doro's kits are too vague

[civic gull]

what's her best comp

also with scope lock sim room testing on boss, I wouldn't even call her a dps from my initial tests

can't hit cap

[next arrow]

ok so I got her gameplan somewhat

[civic gull]

she definitely needs OLs to be good

[next arrow]

You'll want to max out S1 no matter
BECAUSE a higher cap means you'll apply it less
applying marks less means less wasted shots

[mild token]

Well..yeah, since she require full charge

You can't just quickshot

[proper sky]

Yea but idk about maxing unless you have too much spare books on your hands

[mild token]

That's the problem

Is she worth the investment

[willow field]

Is she good?

[civic gull]

Left is Auto, Right is my scuffed attempts at full charge to apply, then spam shots to reach cap asap

seems like she is another manual unit if you want to get the most out of her dmg

optimal manualing might be something like doing a full charge every 2 sec (for S2 uptime), and spamming shots inbetween

someone could try it with crown priv reload cube for infinite ammo

[golden lichen]

So, what's early status for now

Like, pre-analysis

[limpid ferry]

She good?

[sterile tapir]

that looks absolutely terrible

almost being outdamaged by Crown

[willow field]

[kind kettle]

I don't know why we still use dmg chart in shooting range as example

but okay

[sterile tapir]

Trony patch is 380 MB

right

[willow field]

380mb of feet

[faint talon]

mine was 400 something mb

[civic gull]

you go OL and max out trony skills then

[kind kettle]

shooting range provides 10/10/10

[civic gull]

I'm not even pulling her until we figure out if there's even a case where she's good, and how much it takes to get it there

from what I can tell, she needs OL, or a super specific team comp

maybe with a dose of manual as well

[wanton robin]

I got a feeling that she needs high investment

[hybrid flume]

Is she better like S1 at just skill lvl 1? So she can reach the cap quicker?

[green oxide]

you'll waste shots reapplying S1 if you cap out too fast

[hallow citrus]

tromid

[wanton robin]

she needs like charge speed coz I don't think quickscoping her is the play

[shy tide]

Trogod: free train

[hallow citrus]

free train?

[kind kettle]

huh

[hallow citrus]

i just core 7ed her for free train

[kind kettle]

wait why

how

[shy tide]

Nice

[kind kettle]

[willow field]

[kind kettle]

oh wait

I need to test the cap, not this random dmg

okay, her S1 snapshots the ATK buff for sure

let's see the interaction with Maxwell

[kind spindle]

Skip or feet, I mean pull. Skip or pull?

[hybrid flume]

I just feel its better to do many 900% in a few full charges than doing 1500% ish in like more full charges 🤔

[ionic wraith]

mentat is testing the feet and

idk

[civic gull]

[kind kettle]

it snapshots buff like Maxwell/Privaty/Alice too

[hybrid flume]

I think she is better off with units that increase enemy damage received, or increased damage on core or part hit. 🤔

[next arrow]

4/7/7 4ol trony vs 10/4/10 4ol alice

trony is lb0

alice lb3

[willow field]

Damn

[next arrow]

prob can catch up to alice if she has more skill lvls

[proper sky]

Auto alice?

[next arrow]

manual no macro

grandpa gamer chair

[proper sky]

[sterile tapir]

this manual looks slower than auto lol

[next arrow]

I can do a full auto run rn

[kind kettle]

okay I think I grab the whole mechanic of her

[modest pelican]

[modest pelican]

Why is your trony damage so much higher than other people’s?

[kind kettle]

• On Auto, AI can only shoot 3 times before 5s run out.
• On manual, 4 shots are doable with 1170+17 ms
• S1 always pops dmg
• When mob dies under S1 accumulated dmg (must be higher than 0%), it explodes and deals distributed dmg to other mob
• Burst changes ratio from 50% of your dmg => 112.83%
• S1 snapshots ATK. If you have atk buff after S1 is landed, that instance wont be increased
• S1 scales with Maxwell, Privaty, Alice buff normally
• S1 doesn't scale from dmg up/debuff, only ATK
• Distributed dmg on her S2 stacks additively with Elegg burst.
• If you gain S2 buff during accumulating S1, the cap will increase, not your current accumulated dmg. For example, you are accumulating 93% dmg over the cap. You gain S2 buff => 93% turns into 73% instead. If you stop here, dmg explosion will be the same in both 93% and 73% case. Only the cap is increased

tell me any curious about her and I will try testing it

in a meantime, gotta cook some sheet

[sterile tapir]

hell yeah accumulation is additive

[modest pelican]

So…pull or skip? That’s the big question

[civic gull]

how does it work with atk dmg

[kind spindle]

So Trony is a definition of "feet licking good"

[civic gull]

or is that part of dmg up

[hybrid flume]

S1 prolly exploded quicker since damage increased but cap does not increase

[kind spindle]

She deal good dmg, but we are testing her against meta

[modest pelican]

Okay

Her bomb popping without hitting max accumulation is a game changer for her

[next tundra]

AoE size?

[kind kettle]

= Anis burst

[modest pelican]

So not that big

[wanton robin]

also the auto-bot can miss

[next arrow]

because I actually somehwat invested in her and my account is f2p lvl

[next arrow]

alice on full auto for this team

grandpa hands

[civic gull]

auto trony as well? or manual

[kind spindle]

Shiftup drop a meta after a meta

[next arrow]

auto on trony

with this setup, if she core hits, she can pop a lvl 4 mark

in a single shot

but then again, this is with ele advantage

[civic gull]

that's pretty damn dissappointing then

auto-alice tier isn't exactly meta

[next arrow]

I posted a manual alice run earlier, but it isn't macro

[civic gull]

someone with high invest trony needs to try out the infinite ammo comp and try a full charge then spam shots every 2 sec or something like that

with my limited testing and scuffed first attempt at mixed spam/full charge spam, did better than auto

and that's with no OL since scope lock, so ammo issues

[civic gull]

so atk dmg doesn't work on her?

[kind spindle]

Dmg taken is best, but ATK is well, that you can only take

[plucky silo]

It is for fire raids

[kind spindle]

ATK, Element, Ammo

Too bad Trony crit rate is shit, or else crit dmg would be a better option

[hallow citrus]

midny

[proper sky]

It does

S1 is just a record of your own damage

[civic gull]

[proper sky]

So any dmg buff increases s1 dmg

The only thing not increasing is dmg cap

[maiden geyser]

so for average cummander who cant have max core everything, trony is a sure skip

[civic gull]

doesn't seem very good for her then, was hoping that maybe crown and tia atk dmg buffs didn't work or something, to explain the low dmg

atm my only hope is on some crazy mixed full charge/spam rotation, probably in an infinite ammo setup

I ain't gonna throw all my resources into a unit that's at best equal to auto alice

[mild token]

Well..if it's meta unit, it should be easy to tell

[hybrid flume]

Does Trony first hit, the one applying S1 counts to the stack already or not?

[next arrow]

@civic gullI tested your approach vs full auto alice

[civic gull]

does seem to be a slight dmg increase

[mild token]

But the fact that we need so much setup, and sacrifice main team potential is....meh

[next arrow]

I mark with charge shots and then manual snaps until it pops

[civic gull]

maybe if optimized, could get a bit more dmg

can you test it with same comp but full auto trony as well?

since prev tests were with naga instead of priv

[next arrow]

yes

but priv won't do much I think, since if I'm not snapshotting

[ionic wraith]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/106322734?target=all&keyword=버스트&p=1
so distribution dmg increase skill like doro is not good to trony causing s1 hit max limit harder

[next arrow]

ok I think I get her now

You'll still want as much lvl on s1 as possible

to prevent some 'damage overflows'

basically if you're on 84% and then you land a full charge, some of the stored damage will be wasted

[plucky silo]

Hm, so the skills were written poorly even in JP this time

[kind kettle]

[kind kettle]

define work

[vapid gull]

how's testing so far?

[civic gull]

assuming no other buffs, would full uptime atk% buff, full uptime atk dmg buff, and full uptime dmg taken debuff with same values be the same result

[vapid gull]

it does, of course

[next arrow]

@civic gullfull auto on everyone

[civic gull]

so a pretty smol dmg increase then, but still noticeable

[vapid gull]

for trony? attack% would Triumph if assuming same conversion value

[trail dragon]

I wouldn't just say you want as much lv on s1 as possible, I think there's a sweet spot where you still proc her s1 with the same number of shots as lv1 s1 but with less damage overflow

[kind kettle]

should be same value eon

the cap is there

[vapid gull]

simply manual to revent overflow

[kind kettle]

but with dmg debuff/atk dmg

you reach the cap faster

[hallow citrus]

[civic gull]

[kind kettle]

in fact, my Trony can not reach cap on Trony Elegg Liter Privaty Centi team

[vapid gull]

you reach cap faster and had to spend an extra shot without damage duplication to remark

so it's less

[mild token]

probably bad test but...this is sad
i want trony to replace 2B at least

[vapid gull]

elegg doesnt buff trony that much

13% as pre-calc

[kind kettle]

cuz her buff stacks additively

with that 51%

since with decent "clicking", you can do exactly 4 hits within 5s

and 1 shot to reapply the shit

I expect 10-15-20 ammo for her

or 66.67% - 150% - 233% ammo up

higher ammo may make weird rotation (shoot debuff => reload => shit happens)

[next arrow]

from my testing, she's basically a second alice

which is not bad by any means

[kind kettle]

auto Alice?

[next arrow]

and manual with grandpa hands

sorry kids but winners don't use macros

[neat epoch]

I got pulls to spare I'll just grab a copy just in case

[next arrow]

she'll struggle against bosses with parts
just because she doesn't have pierce and dis damage doesn't hit parts

[kind kettle]

sound like SBS

does she look struggle to you

[next arrow]

sbs is sbs

[vapid gull]

72% of scarlet

pretty close to prediction

someone said 80% yesterday

[hallow citrus]

[civic gull]

[next tundra]

So Trony is good

But not Pilgrim good

Feet hounds will be pleased, at least…

[oblique notch]

scarlet's on that edge herself

but this easily looks good enough for counter element raids

[next arrow]

Mhhm fire is good

Aside from Alice and mod(and now trony) what do we have?

[sterile tapir]

2B A2

[wise raven]

i love "%scarlet" is a unit measurement for how good their damage capability

[maiden geyser]

how much is sbs in terms of scarlet percentage

[willow field]

Scarlet for scale

[maiden geyser]

Scalet

[willow field]

RH is now the unit of measurement

[oblique notch]

since scarlet herself

is on the edge of being team 5 in sr

comparing characters to her is great if they don't meet up they gone

[dusty dock]

Is she better than Laplace in M tower?

[solar cedar]

to skip or not to skip??

[snow tapir]

Skip

[snow tapir]

No theorycrafting needed

Kilo better

[maiden geyser]

when free ssr better than new banner

[snow tapir]

If anyone pulled trony, can they come forward

I wanna run a team in PvP

And see

[maiden geyser]

glad they didn't pull sth like bunnies right after .5 anni

[snow tapir]

How good she is

[maiden geyser]

ask @kind kettle

[snow tapir]

[kind kettle]

dmg is 50% more than Alice per shot but shoot 4 times lower

so... Half of Alice?

kinda

non pierce too

[proper sky]

Dw they do next patch

[maiden geyser]

summer soon

[neat epoch]

18k gems 50 ticks 640 golden I am going to pull just for fun lol , probably will stay uninvested

[willow field]

Imagine saving for summer and ending up getting core 7 S. Neon

[maiden geyser]

bricked account

[willow field]

[kind kettle]

peak Trony should be

hmm

peak Scarlet but halved

bye

[maiden geyser]

is she peak in arena too?

[snow tapir]

Bruh

Halved

[maiden geyser]

i mean, it's good they're letting us breathe

after crown another good unit would've been shit

[snow tapir]

[snow tapir]

Mlb screen is nice for coomer bait @thorn gale

[maiden geyser]

lmao

[snow tapir]

Sadly she's bad

[maiden geyser]

this is a unit just for the feet guys

[kind kettle]

her S1 on proc will give burst gen

so every 5s or roughly 4 RL, you gain 2.8%

oh wow I seriously need a battery at 4 RL

[solar cedar]

but is she worse than 2b for fire weak raid

[clever lance]

that was a rule already

[white sedge]

I haven't used 2b since her release, seems like a skip to me

[kind kettle]

you can think of her S1 as 2 ways condition:

• Increase her dmg by 40%
• If you reach the cap, deals the dmg (mostly during her burst)

problem is, normal SR is shit

so even when you increase their dmg by 40%, it's still shit

heck, Exia with 84% ATK up equally 84% dmg up non buff is better

[clever lance]

I love how we get explanation for the unit even if its a skip

but trony just got "skip" as the pin

is so funny to me

[maiden geyser]

I like it

drives the point of how shit she is

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/515672319444910090/1089958519404494848/brick_the_rat_sleep.gif

[snow tapir]

Others got a skip explanation?