[Kilo] New Unit Megathread

[odd solstice]

she at least takes a sizable chunk out of shooting range targets

need to mess around more

[safe wyvern]

[floral ocean]

why is her VA so bad

she hurts my ears

[rich basin]

EN VO

[bold plank]

EN VO

[tulip geyser]

i really like her event story so far.

oh and also haha EN VO

[ruby holly]

Is Kilo a nuke yet?

[tough kettle]

MidO

[odd solstice]

i need other characters i think to make her work better.

plus im still gated at 160 with the best i can do being scope lock in shooting range

but she's pretty good

not useful in every corner of the game but its like snow white lily where she'll help people a ton

[floral ocean]

Roar is testing her

Sadly i will be occupied by crown first

But her potential is there

[tulip geyser]

all i need her is to be missiles replacement

no laplace

[errant garden]

is she still d tier

[lusty kayak]

K for Kilo tier

[fathom olive]

Time to retire epinel

[tulip geyser]

Missiles tower worthy?

[timid hemlock]

@floral ocean do you still have the est burst damage on lvl 10 with sync 400?

[floral ocean]

done with cube and crown

let me check Kilo-gram

Kilo burst dmg

(5% her max hp - Enemy's Def) x Burst Modifier

ATK buff won't affect this final dmg

Mast affects this dmg normally

[timid hemlock]

is this lvl 10?

[floral ocean]

if we translate everything using ATK of Attacker as a mean

• HP of Defender = 2750% ATK
• HP of Supporter = 2500% ATK
• HP of Attacker = 2250% ATK
• Burst dmg of Kilo will be 5% x 2750% x 1150.84% = 1582.4% ATK only. This equals 70.33% hp HP of Attacker. With crit you should kill them easily even without any buff
• Without crit, you will kill them with JUST NOISE
• With Mast/Blanc, you will kill everything without protection (Moran/Bay/Noise/Noah)

lv 1

I translate all her dmg into % so you can get a hold of her potential

she nuke very hard with just Noise support

but to kill everyone, you need 2 buffers, and they must be either giving dmg modifier or HP buff because she doesn't scale on ATK, at all

[tough kettle]

Lvl1??

With lvl1 burst??

[floral ocean]

my pic is lv 1, to test

my summary is based on lv 10

[tough kettle]

So 1/1/10 is the way to go with kilo

[floral ocean]

lv 10 burst of Kilo + lv 10 burst of Noise = death to all Attackers

[tough kettle]

Can you tell with JUST noise how much burst lvl is needed to full kill at lvl400?

[floral ocean]

can always rely on % to count. Gears do change things a bit though

but you can say, if Kilo Noise kill Attacker at lv 600, they will kill at lv 1000

[tough kettle]

I see

[floral ocean]

because the higher lv you are, the less relevant gear stats become

at that point, only OL % play

else, everything follow % models, which are described above

[tough kettle]

With Noise, how much damage do you do WITHOUT CRIT

With lvl10 burst

In %

[floral ocean]

2365.7%

[tough kettle]

Like
Without noise it's 1582.4%

What is it with noise

[tough kettle]

Oh

[tough kettle]

So it kills attackers without crit

[floral ocean]

lowest lv you can do is actually noise lv 8

[tough kettle]

So kilo is definitely better than 2b for PvP

[tough kettle]

But is she tho?

[floral ocean]

2B is

let's see

ATK = 67%
Bonus ATK = 2750% x 6.16% = 169.4%
Final ATK = 67% x 2.694 = 180% ATK
Burst distributed dmg = 2439.36% / 5 * 180% = 878%

wait what does it do?

[tough kettle]

What

[floral ocean]

40% max hp of Attacker

[tough kettle]

If you add the additional damage nuke, how much is it?

[floral ocean]

0

imagine Attacker has highest max HP

what is that team?

Red Hood + Emilia + Drake + Sugar + Maiden?

[tough kettle]

Choose a defender then

If u add additional dmg

How much DPS is that to the defender

[floral ocean]

792% x 1.5 x 180% = 2138.4%

should kill Defender immediately

[tough kettle]

I thought defender was 2750 tho

[floral ocean]

because 2138.4 + 878 > 2750

[tough kettle]

Oh

[floral ocean]

did you just ignore the distributed dmg

[tough kettle]

Yeah forgot

So she's another AoE nuker we have now

[tough kettle]

Let's say you're fighting SAnis
How much more dps do we need to kill her?

[floral ocean]

her buffer is kinda weird

with Noise buff?

[tough kettle]

I assume we need to add blanc as well as noise to kill SAnis?

[tough kettle]

Yes

[tough kettle]

Also
Just to confirm

Is noise a better buffer than blanc?

[floral ocean]

yes

and Sanis should have 5% hp left

[tough kettle]

Iirc it wasn't the same case for 2b

[floral ocean]

so 1 RL can even kill her

[tough kettle]

I see
So 4rl SAnis teams will easily die

[floral ocean]

• Kilo: 5% max hp x modifier
• 2B: (Base ATK + 6.16% max HP) x modifier

the first receives full effect from Noise

the 2nd only gains partly because her base ATK is not affected by HP boost

[tough kettle]

Ooh

Ok understandable

Goddamn

Kilo ain't half bad

Just needs a shitton of burst gen I guess

I'll probe keripo to read into it

[floral ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183730346588635157/1232892875755225190/NIKKE_2024-04-25_11-05-15.mp4?ex=662b1c77&is=6629caf7&hm=8b5937d49bdfe62b598e6bddfc7074e3b75a83fa41e2efbfacb0c24cfee79d2d&

demo

4/4/10 Kilo

from Rroar

[tough kettle]

I wanna try to understand one thing
Kilo absolutely doesn't suffer from the 2b curse right?
Because she has no buffs going into the game except for that shield.

Say, Rosanna removes her shield, will kill still do the nuke?

[floral ocean]

I don't think her shield is a "buff"

and it's actually very hard for Defender to be "highest ATK" if you don't put ATK on her

and don't put ATK on her, she doesn't scale any ATK

[tough kettle]

That's true

[floral ocean]

her DPS is shit, especially on 30 ammo per sec

the only reliable way to counter her are

• Noah/Bay protection
• Scarlet S2 (break the shield)

[tough kettle]

That is very true

[tough kettle]

And jackal to increase feed

Burst fast = win

[floral ocean]

for a free unit, she's actually very decent

[tough kettle]

Like a blanc + Emilia

[tough kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231192433748869162/1231858969715146762/GLvrQ1laUAA9554.png?ex=66387d11&is=66260811&hm=d96589c9427c285ded1a5c1051b918c68b0679b5f64faa7e56c307c809be3702&

As a direct comparison to harran it seems like Kilo is a better Nikke than her

Taking into account the possibility that Kilo doesn't lose her shield:

• Higher AoE damage than Harran
• Shield to protect herself against one shots

She suffers from the same problem of not having damage outside of burst, but I think whatever damage she does, it's higher than Harran's

So for campaign and PvP both
Kilo is a good, Usable nikke.

Kindof like SmolWhite for campaign. Maybe exactly like smolwhite.

[glad barn]

imagine kilo usable in pvp

[keen wing]

I believe pairing her with biscuit is useless because of the shield mechanic, yes?

[blissful nebula]

Emil burst just ignores shield skills?

[floral ocean]

it's a RL

it hits at the same time Shield + Cover + Body

it doesn't ignore, it consumes

[blissful nebula]

Oh bruh

[floral ocean]

better than Scar burst

Scar burst ignores shield

you will die with shield on

pretty hilarious

[timid hemlock]

@floral ocean ping

pong

Kilo vs SmolWhite, you have numbers?

[floral ocean]

Jogging rn

But smoll white should have an edge on dps

While clearing is on kilo side

[tough kettle]

Smolly is clearly better ST DPS

but Kilo AoE >>

It is pretty straightforward that Kilo AOE > Harran AOE

[tulip geyser]

is anyone using this over laplace for missiles

[heavy pier]

mlb has higher cp than lb0 laplace

could be a factor

[tough kettle]

I got a core 3 laplace

But I'm blue CP so even if I use drake I win

[tough kettle]

Good for PvP

[tough kettle]

Shotguns will always be relevant in pvp

And in PvE because of tove

[tough kettle]

Sugar mpriv atlesst

[tulip geyser]

What about missiles tower?

Think she can replace laplace?

[tough kettle]

Yes

[safe wyvern]

question is if a MLB 4 4 4 0 OL kilo can beat a 4 4 4 0 OL core 7 laplace

[tulip geyser]

Gonna be really annoying to manuel her lol

Blocking almost whole screen

[fathom olive]

wao core 7 laplace

[tough kettle]

Kilo = harran

laplace < harran

[tough kettle]

generally speaking

laplace will come back in against bosses

kilo will take care of AoE requirement

[violet sonnet]

Well Laplace can take care of AOE stuff.. just gotta aim beam everywhere

[ruby holly]

So Kilo is the best free unit so far?

[floral ocean]

still < Crown

[tough kettle]

Free unit

[floral ocean]

for those who pulled her with free ticket

[tough kettle]

Mf

[rich basin]

I did pull her from free ticket

but nothing for 90 pulls afterwards

https://tenor.com/view/man-destroys-pc-harold-slikk-new-computer-haroldslikk-escortedcomputer-gif-23496313

[fathom olive]

Lucksack

gib me 1 from free roll pls

[errant garden]

is she still D tier

[tough kettle]

Patience

[errant garden]

waiting for u to call her better than harran how can i be patient

😐

[fathom olive]

She better than harran ||trust||

Can't core 7 harran as easy anyway

[keen cobalt]

Story (low deficit): S
Story (high deficit): A
Boss (solo): B
Boss (adds): A
PvP: SS
♿

[safe wyvern]

[tough kettle]

Why Bin solo boss tho

She's pretty bad in

ST dps

[keen cobalt]

[errant garden]

sleep with a one eye opened from now on lil bro

:Madge:

[sacred vapor]

do we put robot in missiles tower

[rich basin]

possibly yes, if there are Glasses and you need a screenwipe

[keen cobalt]

Kilord

Kamilo

[tough kettle]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/guide-kilo

waiting for nikke.gg

then closing thread

[sick ermine]

Wait, is Kilo really this good in PvP?

[floral ocean]

read it

[timid hemlock]

no

gib TLDR

[floral ocean]

may you never pass 18k

[floral ocean]

[timid hemlock]

[floral ocean]

[sick ermine]

I can't right now, I'm in the middle of lesson, pls give tldr

[floral ocean]

it's complicated

[fathom olive]

Ok i read

So i can get to top 1000 champion

[urban ridge]

It's been a week and no info on if Kilo is a must pull or not? Smh

[floral ocean]

check the review

[tough kettle]

Rei remains the only unit whose Megathread was never made

Anchor's Megathread was deleted

Helm, xAnne, Laplace were also never made

Damn

[rich basin]

damn stronger than mpriv huh?

[compact stirrup]

Anne deserves a megathread

[slow briar]

Who's better for Misillis tower actually? Kilo or Laplace?

[tough kettle]

Kilo for wave
Laplace situationally or Vs bosses

[rich basin]

kilo if there's glasses in the stage too

the other mg option is just elegg

[ruby holly]

All hail Kilo the meta of free units!

I'm so proud of her.

[safe wyvern]

Think crowns burst pic is in here btw

The description

[tough kettle]

yeah it is

itll be fixed tmrw cuz anti is grinding hsr right now i believe

[odd solstice]

glad others are starting to see her value. I believed the Japanese guy with his math and when kilo had a higher base hp than blanc that meant good things.

[urban ridge]

I dont see the pin :<

making me go to Prydwen 😩

[keen wing]

@tough kettle Wait, is it wise to pair Kilo with Biscuit? If she gets shot to half health, won't she fail to execute her burst AOE anyway?

@floral ocean

[compact stirrup]

let them sleep xd

[safe wyvern]

no

@tough kettle wake up mf

@floral ocean u too

[tough kettle]

Scarlet S2 and other AoE bursts don't touch her shield

They only hit her hp

Because shiftup

You'll have to be smart with positioning

[keen wing]

hmm so just gotta avoid direct fire then

[tough kettle]

Yea

[velvet wing]

Uh

@tough kettle aint that crowns burst

[tough kettle]

Bro just wait a few hours it'll be fixed

[velvet wing]

Sure thing, just thought it was funny due to feeling my own facial expression change slowly realizing "wait a minute...."

[mossy forge]

So what’s the summary conclusion of Kilo’s usefulness?

Is she worth bringing to Missilis Tower over Laplace?

[mossy forge]

Oh, I see

I’m too tired to think about Kilo

Sounds like a worthy bring if dealing with hit count shields in a wave stage in Missilis Tower

But how much damage does Kilo do with basic attack?

Since Kilos does no additional damage unless her burst is used

As bad as 2B basic attack?

[lusty kayak]

as bad as a defender MG with no steroid of their own

think of diesel

[trim trout]

kilo at least easily replaces epinel right

[tough kettle]

No personal damage

Only AoE

She is genuinely just like harran

Except Harran is buffed from ATK buffs
And kilo is buffed from hp buffs

[mossy forge]

Yeah I’ll just not mention her then

[outer onyx]

i wanna see kilo vs proper scarlet + jackal team with x.ann and no blanc or something for super fast burst

[odd solstice]

scarlet has the edge with just standard attack damage tbh

but I hear they're comparable on burst

[outer onyx]

nice

[tulip geyser]

i wouldnt like to put kilo in defense cause shes purely mg :/

[trim trout]

kilo makes epinel obsolete in missilis tower right? even if both have no skill invest?

[safe wyvern]

who been using epinel in missilis tower

[trim trout]

I've used her sometimes when I need aoe clear

is it safe to say that I'll never have to use her again? at no invest her nuke and kilo nuke feel like they do about the same to mobs

although epinel does have that self buff that needs stacking

[mossy forge]

Epinel is someone I would anticipate putting into graveyard bench sooner or later. She’d only come out for Wind required QTEs

Missilis Tower so far has been better served by focusing on Maxwell and Laplace

I can’t say it’s a completely bad idea to keep your Epinel because afaik there’s exactly 1 very good Wind carry - BS.Scarlet

Noir’s there too but SG that wants to pair with Blanc, not exactly flexible especially if you’re now using Crown

I should look at Kilo PvP

[trim trout]

if epinel's only use case now is for raids, then I don't need her in synchro

was just curious if there's still a reason to keep her in synchro for missilis tower

[autumn gazelle]

I only have minimal epinel investment for tower

[heavy pier]

How good is Kilo for PvE content for newer players?

I wanna know if its worth recommending kilo for like 1 week old players or sth

[tulip geyser]

Theres much better option

Only for tower and pvp

[feral oar]

She's pretty potent even with low investment

I cleared Ch 29-30 with minor red CP using Kilo, and she was consistently keeping up with my better invested DPS units if I timed burst correctly

Tho a big drawback is the likely need to reset if she gets targeted and barrier drops before burst

[heavy pier]

i know there are better options im asking in a special case , imagine new player 1month account or sth , they dont have alot of skill mats , nor alot of units

[heavy pier]

i see

[feral oar]

I don't think more than 4/4/4 is desirable unless one has very bad B3 luck and is F2P

[crimson horizon]

she's like wayyyyy more valuable than Rei, and good screenclear is hard to come by

I would definitely recommend

[odd solstice]

same. kilo is that character that can likely keep them alive if theyre struggling at the beginning of the game

even at like level 15 her shield is nonsensically tanky

i wouldnt call her a dps by any means but with an aoe burst and a near constantly regenerating shield i think she's a great starter.

she also doesnt need luck to obtain

[fathom olive]

good to invest to max when still newbie anyway, can just reset later if ever get better nikke

[heavy pier]

are all the shields 'affect self'?

would not invest at all into that

not even as a new player

[odd solstice]

shields are more often than not "affects all allies"

[mossy forge]

Do ATK buffs even help Kilo’s burst?

[odd solstice]

no they dont

[mossy forge]

RIP

[odd solstice]

it only scales on hp

[heavy pier]

do i not understand these dumb shields

and is it all allies?

[mossy forge]

• Activates when entering battle
  • Affects self (Kilo)
    • Creates shield equal to 21.12% (of final Max HP?)

Shields only Kilo.

[odd solstice]

kilos shield only shows up for her

[mossy forge]

This sort of stuff, helps to break it down into indented bullet points

[odd solstice]

shes one of a kind I think since I cant think of anyone else with a personal shield

[mossy forge]

Also when you trigger shield, you can look at Nikkes’ hp bars. Blue bar is the shield. You should see only Kilo having it

This can be muddied if other characters shield the team though

Like Crown

I wonder if shields stack

[odd solstice]

normally group wide shields dont

[mossy forge]

Crown shield + Kilo shield = Kilo have mega blue bar?

[odd solstice]

but weirdly kilos shield stacks with another shield

[mossy forge]

Which shield is damaged first?

[odd solstice]

the other shield that isnt hers

[mossy forge]

I hope other than Kilo’s first, right?

Nice

[odd solstice]

just means when kilo bursts she'll almost always have a shield up

glad the devs considered that

[sacred vapor]

we got a real gigachad

[mossy forge]

Imagine if they added a new Nikke in a combat suit twice TALOS’s size

We’d be blind

I think they’ve got to add see through units option

… ruins the whole idea though?

[floral ocean]

they need to allow me see through Crown+ Doro burst

[mossy forge]

Did you try turning off bloom? It might alleviate some of it (not entirely, sorry)

[safe wyvern]

u gotta turn balanced for combat effects lol

-_______-

[empty moon]

https://tenor.com/view/betterttv-cat-flashbang-cat-flashbang-gif-5308085858038487275

[spark vapor]

I'm pretty sure crown shield stacks with tia shield, as that's what my current si mod auto run does. stacks both shields, then just facetanks both lasers while dpsing the whole time to kill before tele

crown shield goes down first, then tia shield, iirc

I wouldn't expect either shield to be strong enough to survive a mod laser, but I didn't really check to be sure

I'm guessing it's something like whoever's shield goes up later is the 'outer' layer and thus gets destroyed first, so for kilo who puts hers up at the start of battle, would be the innermost layer

[odd solstice]

nah ive tested that bit

whenever kilo generates her shield it goes behind any current shield

really hard to time but thats what i saw at least

[mossy forge]

Guys. TALOS is SSS tier at cracking jokes

[boreal whale]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-kilo-gif-14038144825665038127

[weak terrace]

How long does she need to say up on the surface to become a pilgrim

[crimson horizon]

if inherit are any indication, 3-4 years?

[mossy forge]

What originated that term anyway?

Clearly Snow White and others weren’t called Pilgrims before falling out with the Ark

[weak terrace]

because they went up surface too long

hence the question for akilo

[mossy forge]

I don’t think it has to do with time away though

Kilo is clearly with Missilis, so odds are she won’t be changing Manufacturers ever

Which means, for anyone hoping to see a new Kilo, they can only pray for an alter that’s still with Missilis, or an Over-Spec that’s also still with Missilis. Or for ShiftUp to break with current precedent and unveil a character banner that swapped manufacturers

[feral oar]

Pilgrims in Nikke lore are Nikkes that travel the surface who are unaffiliated with the Ark and use technology beyond what any one of the Big Three can do

Kilo would qualify by using the first half since she's basically defected to live in the Kingdom, while she doesn't qualify by the second half

but second half is inconsistent anyway since SBS shouldn't be a Pilgrim by that logic; she was a mass-produced Nikke until Snow White gave her the equipment she made (which I assume qualifies as Pilgrim-grade )

I guess if the melee-type mass produced Nikkes were a joint-project by the Big Three, then she'd qualify

[mossy forge]

Can view it as having broken free or escaped the authority of the original manufacturer. So if, for instance, Tetra created Rapunzel, she's no longer affiliated with them in any way at all much less acknowledging their authority

So perhaps Kilo can go Pilgrim after all, but I don't think she's interested in defiance and likely would revert back to the status quo of chain of command if she goes back to the Ark

She wanted to be more useful and to keep Talos safe, afaik

Which could either be a point of breaking with the Ark or getting some vindictive reintegration if she comes back even better than before

[feral oar]

Just need to shove Chatterbox core in Talos and make her overspec

Give her dragon-head hands for flamethrower MG

Not only the robot blocks the screen but now her bullets too

[crimson horizon]

i think the better "pilgrim" classification is if their current form was made outside the Ark. Goddess, Old Tales and Inherit were all made outside the Ark (since the ark didn't exist back when goddess/old tale was made and inherit's equipment was made in eden).
So if Kilo stays in Crown Kingdom and obtains a new form without going back to the Ark, the new one will be classified as a Pilgrim.

[weak terrace]

Snowwhite was Elysion
and likely RedHood too
the rest idk
the VATICAN could have been some Missilis

[weak terrace]

Male core into Female robot
no way

[weak terrace]

But Old tales should be part of Fairy Tale nikkes

Following the success of the first prototype of the modern Nikkes: Liliweiss. The United Forces of Humanity alongside the Big Three would utilize the technology and ingenuity derived from Liliweiss, allowing them to create the "Grimms Model."

meaning they're originally from within the Ark as well

The second generation of Grimms are known as the "Old Tales." They are the successor to the Goddess squad, whose specifications are equally strong if not stronger than their predecessors. Abe is the lead researcher in the creation of the Old Tales.[12] However, before they could debut as newest members of the Grimms Model, Cinderella would become corrupted, turning into the Heretic "Anachiro" and began slaughtering her fellow teammates and soon, finding herself fighting humanity.[13]

Following the events that transpires the corruption of Cinderella and the subsequent operation to destroy the Rapture Queen, any information or database related to the Old Tales were wiped out. The Central Government would deem them as "failures."[14]

[crimson horizon]

???? but operation ark guardian was after the entire anachiro stuff

[weak terrace]

Dont forget
SW was also Elysio

[feral oar]

That's retcon'd out

We were specifically told that both rounds of fairy tale models used combined tech of Big Three

Which we also now basically can assume from new story chapters mean they probably had ||DEEP/VTC|| tech

[weak terrace]

did they

they just removed the MMD entirely

[mossy forge]

Just take it with a grain of salt, really. If they felt like it, they can simply write a Nikke lost all but their brain, Nimph got vapaused, and now they rebuilt her under another manufacturer

So nothing is set in stone, story fiction being story fiction

[weak terrace]

Official: Nikkes are as Heavy as Tanks

Also Official: Nikkes be sitting on Commander's Laps

[crimson horizon]

also official: commander is basically ||superhuman||

[tough kettle]

It's like Thor's hammer

You gotta be worthy to not get squished

[weak terrace]

Are the nikke's Asses Mjolnir?

or AM I the mjolnir

[crimson horizon]

they're mjolnir and you're thor
unless mass produced nikke, even thugs in the outer ring play with them

[weak terrace]

But i want them to be my donuts

of which i can put my shwarma in