[Crown] New Unit Megathread

[limber trout]

This is tested and verified

Multiple times

[placid elbow]

alright, ill take your word for it

[limber trout]

Easiest way to test is with SG in shooting range
Turn auto aim on and off

You can also test it with redhood Alice over 3 min if you want

It should be similar results

[dapper sleet]

i already tested it

snake is correct

turn off auto aim gives hit rate to all 5 units lol

[mortal quarry]

bug report time?

[sinful aurora]

which bug?

[placid elbow]

ok i see, i was expecting it to be like the burst gen increase for RL SR where the camera has to be on them for it to work. or that letting the AI control it counts as setting that unit to auto aim.

[winter folio]

this should be better, forgot about Naga

[clever sand]

#1231191857761882173 message
I did something similar testing crown with snipers, doing 34-35 hits with Alice you easily outdmg RH

And yeah 34-35 hits is possible with your hands, no macro or shits like that

Well nobody who plays meta says that, but you know Alice needs a lot of conditions to outdmg rh

But now with crown those conditions are almost reduced to idk... Good atk lines?

Funny thing, with crown even xlud and modernia outdmg rh

[cedar oasis]

i dont get it, u said first is alice second is rh but theres 4 results

oh burst order

[clever sand]

changing privaty and Maxwell as buffer

[grizzled tiger]

you tested using res cube on x lud/mod ?

[cedar oasis]

its legit the same damage

alice and rh

ur just breaking ur fingers with one of them

for some reason

[clever sand]

Bastion xlud, resi mod

Xlud is instant reload

[clever sand]

Well actually my Rh has more atk lines than my alice

2 more

[cedar oasis]

shouldn't that be the main thing u mentioned instead of showing them both do almost equal damage

[clever sand]

Sure, because I'll break my finger in solo raid xD

[cedar oasis]

i still think the difference is minimal

even with the atk line

[clever sand]

Is not that hard, Alice doing more hits per burst than fixed 32 hits Rh, Alice will win always

[cedar oasis]

the damage begs to differ

[clever sand]

well always depends in your ols lines

In my case Alice has 50% elemental and 18% atk

Rh 40% atk, 0% ele

[cedar oasis]

i guess my point was red hood was always be a better option since shes effortless, and the slight damage increase u might get from alice is not worth the strain of spamming autos 24/7

the way u said it makes it sound like alice completely destroys rh and while i said essentially the opposite (hypocritical ig xd), thats just misleading

[clever sand]

Completely destroys sounds bad, nobody said that

[cedar oasis]

"with Alice you easily outdmg RH"

Sure

[clever sand]

out damage is like, well she hits more times than rh

She will win

[cedar oasis]

Nah thats not what it means

outdamage is doing more overall damage

[clever sand]

[cedar oasis]

not simply hitting more shots

you exaggerated it

the difference is minimal not to mention its aids to spam her

nothing about that is easily more damage output than rh

[clever sand]

Minimal in my case with less atk% and no macro

[cedar oasis]

wasn't using macros a taboo topic a while ago?

[clever sand]

nah, people still use that shit

[cedar oasis]

is it allowed?

[clever sand]

obviously no lol

[cedar oasis]

i remember this server banning people for talking about it

[clever sand]

You r risking ban

[cedar oasis]

exactly

so u can't make that an arguement

[clever sand]

Oh, well we can said m-chan

[cedar oasis]

that's not the intended gameplay

more similar to cheating

[clever sand]

Sure, problem is who knows who is using m chan

[cedar oasis]

shiftup surely

[clever sand]

Let me tell you something

My Alice in gals with rh

[cedar oasis]

i like how we're arguing about this in a crown thread

[clever sand]

Is like 75-80% of Rh dmg

but now with crown she is equal and can surpass Rh with better lines

[sinful aurora]

[clever sand]

In my case

cuz my Alice has 14 bullets

Don't blame me gatrix

I just wake up

[lean canyon]

I know this isn't the most impressive 1 shot, I just got Snow White yesterday, but it is the first time I 1 burst GD ever with RH

[limber trout]

Better for casual gameplay, sure
But Alice is better in ideal gameplay

[cedar oasis]

Yeah I guess

[sinful aurora]

51.46%x344%x1.7755x33
vs
69.04%x357%x1.5512x number of Alice shot

36 hits during 10s or gtfo

[ocean sphinx]

very interesting convo to be listening in on, after getting my RH only days earlier

[sinful aurora]

even if I put 32 hits for RH, Alice still needs 35 shots

[clever sand]

Nah I can't 36 with my boomer hands bro

[ocean sphinx]

btw is there a way to tell how fast you can spam on alice without actually having to invest into her

[limber trout]

What about 40

[ocean sphinx]

I assume shooting at 100% cs feels different than at lower cs

[limber trout]

Yes

[clever sand]

Monster

No wait

M-onster

[cedar oasis]

yo we need this emote here

actually peak

[sinful aurora]

shit

I thought Liter burst gives ammo

it does, but only hollow ammo

[clever sand]

hallow

[clever sand]

Haha Bro is cooking 40 shoots in 10 secs

[sinful aurora]

without Noir, you won't be able to fill this hollow ammo

anyway, I can only shoot 35 due to Crown

[placid elbow]

its simple, just ask them if they use it

[clever sand]

Me 34- if I don't touch my balls 35

[sinful aurora]

which is only 29% better than auto (27)

[soft loom]

Crown just killed today's SI at 80% burst cycle... meaning the cycle is not fully run out yet, and she is lv 7 skills...

[clever sand]

Don't worry I agree with Alice>rh

[clever sand]

[clever sand]

Cofcofcof 9seconds cofcof

[sinful aurora]

38 hits

[clever sand]

You can hit 38 manual?

fym what a tryhard

[soft loom]

I build elemental team just for fun

[clever sand]

[clever sand]

Wait isn't 51% Rh in burst?

me getting away before gatrix blames me

[ocean sphinx]

isn't RH 32 shots?

at least that's what I count in my tests from the audio

[limber trout]

33 with full frames

[ocean sphinx]

does that mean my game isn't at 60 fps...

I can only hear 32 shots every time

[placid elbow]

Ye 33 #1167462163527499928 message

[sinful aurora]

oh 51% true

I forgot her burst scales differently

[clever sand]

[ocean sphinx]

game needs a fps indicator

[sinful aurora]

Alice auto = Red Hood auto

27 shots

Alice manual > Red Hood, always

[ocean sphinx]

is that assuming no alice reload

[sinful aurora]

let's say if you reload once during 10s

-2s dps

you still shoot at least 33 ~ 34 shot

and you only need 17 ammo to do that

[lean canyon]

my alice with 1 max ammo line

[sinful aurora]

because the reload is initial reload hence I can use Bastion here

=> you can use Bastion with 12 ammo Alice to achieve 18 ammo

[ocean sphinx]

idk how bad I'll be at alice spam, and don't think there's a way to tell other than building her

so imma just assume I suck at it and use rh instead

I only have gears to 2OL either of them anyway

[clever sand]

Me shooting 34 hits and doing same DMG

[ocean sphinx]

how fast can a typical alice user shoot

[clever sand]

Another question, final atk scales better than simple atk? Or the difference is irrelevant...

[sinful aurora]

elaborate

[ocean sphinx]

the vid of 100% reload speed alice on prydwen, I heard ~30 shots

[sinful aurora]

how many shots can you hear here

[ocean sphinx]

I see like 39 or so

[sinful aurora]

yeah, 38

[ocean sphinx]

no audio, so can't hear

[sinful aurora]

oh true

I forgot I never turn on sound

can't let you hear those ASMR licking

[ocean sphinx]

safe to assume I prob can't get 30+ on alice

so if I ever build her (with all the new units I get, prob never), she'll just be bscar support in raids

[sinful aurora]

40 is safe

45 will risk a ban

[ocean sphinx]

oh wait the alice vids I saw were on nikke.gg

[sinful aurora]

and the diff is only 10%

btw, normal non crown Alice should hover around 33 hits only

because you are bound to reload at least once

[clever sand]

32-33 hits?

[sinful aurora]

38

[ocean sphinx]

how much is a decent avg player expected to get

[clever sand]

where's audio?

[sinful aurora]

33

as I said above

33 with 2 ammo lines

[ocean sphinx]

that seems quite high

[sinful aurora]

and Bastion

[ocean sphinx]

or does valkin only use skill-issued ppl's vids

https://nikke.gg/alice-complete-guide/

[sinful aurora]

he just demonstrated the possibility

[ocean sphinx]

I counted like 30 hits for the 100 reload speed comp

and it already looks faster than I can do

[winter folio]

Alice needs alot of condition to be really strong and above RH

Ammo + cs lines , macro, reload timing

[ocean sphinx]

is there like a website or something that I can see how I would do on an alice bc I can't think of any other way

[winter folio]

Meanwhile RH is much comfort

[ocean sphinx]

doubt a typical SR/RL would be a good enough indicator

[winter folio]

Ngl, I spent over 100 rocks for Alice and she still cant hit ideal lines

[sinful aurora]

hm, beside Crown, Priv, cube and admi

is there anything else buff your reload speed?

not self, but teammate

[hoary adder]

xrupee

[winter folio]

Idk, surely we have but not a meta/strong unit

[sinful aurora]

oh wait

nice

let me show you

[ocean sphinx]

why can't shiftup just change alice burst so that it's basically like RH burst

make it the same as it is rn, but lock it at like 35 shots full auto during full burst or something

[winter folio]

If they change surely players will riot

[ocean sphinx]

maybe even 40 if they wanna make it powercreep

[winter folio]

Because we have spent thousands dollars for her

[ocean sphinx]

she'll still be good, if not better for most ppl

[winter folio]

If they can give back rocks then they can adjust Alice

[hoary adder]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[sinful aurora]

if your reload speed is lower than 110% but higher than 100%, Alice will then reload 0.5s after ammo is dropped.
In a meantime, normal hold to shoot weapons will only consume 0.367s

[agile beacon]

They had their chance to make us not have to manual Alice for burst gen

But they require us to select Alice to get it

I’m not happy with that but oh well

[ocean sphinx]

burst gen is only like half the problem, they're just ignoring the spamming-during-burst thing entirely

it should be an even easier fix, since it's basically only relevant for alice

just make her full auto during burst if she has 100% CS and set the fire speed to about as good as the top 1% of alice players can get

idk what that would be, probably high 30s

[winter folio]

Or they just can

Ban mouse device, let player use touch pad/sketch pad

[ocean sphinx]

I used to be pretty good at a shooter game back in the day, using the mousepad on my laptop

if they don't mention anything about this for dev note, they prob just consider the job done

ig not to piss off the alice elitists who don't want other alice users to be up to their lvl

[clever sand]

for SU is simple, make Alice 350% to 250% and fix to 32 hits per burst

And it's over for alice

hahaha

yeah I know

I spent like 50 rocks in alice

And still meh ols

[twin panther]

Talking about Alice ol's

Got this yesterday

[clever sand]

well personally I preferred ammo over atk before crown

[twin panther]

I have 3 full pilgrim attacker sets and I don't have 1 full tetra attacker set yet

[clever sand]

But now I'm not that sure

[twin panther]

[clever sand]

And ending with Alice Rh riot in my opinion

In dmg Alice was always better

but

Rh has more flexibility

[ocean sphinx]

if you had to use only 1 in campaign, would alice still be better

bc rh does have that b1 utility

[clever sand]

and for example

[twin panther]

I think rh is poor man's alive and rich man's litter

[clever sand]

Rh fit better in gals team than alice

but Alice+SBS>eh xlud/mw

[ocean sphinx]

what about letting alice auto there

[clever sand]

but now with crown something I'd changing

Nah Alice auto is trash

[ocean sphinx]

how fast does auto alice shoot assuming 100% reload speed

[clever sand]

gatrix said 27 hits

Tag him

[ocean sphinx]

@sinful aurora

[clever sand]

[ocean sphinx]

I got ghosted

[clever sand]

Our maths boy leaves us

I can't test in my phone

Shit fps

I need my 4090 i9 13900

[twin panther]

Nikke is a mobile game that bricks on above average phones

[clever sand]

my phone is 3 years old, is tover for me

[twin panther]

With that phone actually Tove comps might be best on it

[clever sand]

Ahahah

I didn't build mpriv comp

I'm building snow and if I got some rocks during this days before SR, I'll look some ele lines in rh

[twin panther]

Snow best girl yes I agree

[clever sand]

Scar sure

Well in iron weak scenario you can

but yeah you lose her B1 so idk

Liter B1 is 🚮 in hard deficit

[hoary adder]

[clever sand]

[lean canyon]

Rn at CH29 I have found myself using Dwife more than liter because her CDR takes so long to ramp up

[clever sand]

[twin panther]

When you think about it you usually run 3 burst at max

[lean canyon]

Been clearing at the 2nd lowest cp so far in global

Not even that you only use 3 burst. Waiting 2 seconds to use your 2nd burst is a death sentence in these freaking stages

[clever sand]

Wait for the Chinese guy with 150k cp

[twin panther]

Tbh I'm getting walled because I don't have scar rn due to electric shield bombers

I should be able to dodge them but skill issue I guess

[clever sand]

Scarletless

[twin panther]

I tried mpriv and she does nothing to them

[clever sand]

And Sanis?

[twin panther]

who that

[clever sand]

summer anis

no way

[lean canyon]

ASS

[clever sand]

Ain't oooo fkng way

[twin panther]

yes way

[lean canyon]

[clever sand]

looil bricked account

[twin panther]

my best ele is guilly at this point

[clever sand]

go play azur lane Buddy is tover for u

[twin panther]

I swear getting gated by 1 element is fucked up

[clever sand]

Summer gonna be a hell for you

[twin panther]

my rng is this game is so doomed

[clever sand]

[lean canyon]

I just want S.Anis so I can properly set up a Doro priv team for SR

[twin panther]

I have 3.5 pilgrim sets and I can't get a full tetra set yet for attackers

I did around 200+ pulls on both tia and dwife and had to spark tia back then

[lean canyon]

I did almost 10 pulls today for crown, so that brings me to 147 pulls with 0 crowns so far

[twin panther]

I learned my lesson

always spark the meta units and pull for others

[twin panther]

@sinful aurora with 2 ammo lines you mean 12 ammo right

[sinful aurora]

yeah

[sinful aurora]

27

the interval between hit is 22 frames

so 10 x 60 / 22 = 27 round down

[twin panther]

so I'm bricked on 11 ammo with 2 lines

wait

do I even need max ammo with crown resi ?

[clever sand]

Reroll issues

[clever sand]

My auto Alice has 50% of my auto rh

[ocean sphinx]

Wait that's not that much worse than avg 33 hits though?

[clever sand]

Imma try in PC in home

[ocean sphinx]

Auto Alice is only 20% worse?

Or around there

[sinful aurora]

yes, manual Alice is cucked by your own ammo

[clever sand]

24 hits alice, 27 rh

Fuck my smartphone

Wind weak

Dwife outdps privaty

[hoary adder]

naga patched?

[twin panther]

I can't belive I'm being gated by the sub stages of ch 27 at 190 cp

just because ele

[sinful aurora]

nice

the bug remains

[robust gulch]

[sinful aurora]

I guess she heals privaty

self proc okay

[hoary adder]

did your priv get hit by 1 damage rapture attacks?

[robust gulch]

Can Naga buff Crown now?

[sinful aurora]

noice

may be priv was damaged

[hoary adder]

noice

how the hell do I turn off hdr all the time

stupid ass windows

made all ss and clips too bright

[lilac spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/betterttv-cat-flashbang-cat-flashbang-gif-5308085858038487275

[clever sand]

Yay

[robust gulch]

So It's over or wait another patch?

[clever sand]

[hoary adder]

[glacial fossil]

[limber trout]

It's fixed?

[hoary adder]

apparently yesn’t, check maincord thread

[dusky tusk]

[limber trout]

Were you trolling or what 😭

[hoary adder]

I POSTED A VID

SCROLL UP

[clever sand]

Yes

[hoary adder]

[clever sand]

I posted a video too

Come one snake, 9 seconds video don't be silly

[limber trout]

I don't know your guyses hp
I'll check it myself

According to gatrix it's not fixed

[twin panther]

it works

can confirm

[clever sand]

Full old 5/5/5/0 crown

[limber trout]

Nuh uh

[hoary adder]

FUCKIN

FLASHBANG

[robust gulch]

My C4 and OL+5*4 say there's no turing back

[limber trout]

Why are you trying to blind me

[hoary adder]

idk, windows

is acting up

ever since I did an os reinstall

[limber trout]

I'll have my lawyer contact you for intent to harm

[limber trout]

If you know who MoWu is, he had a solution for it

Ask him what it was

[hoary adder]

@hushed acorn

[glacial fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[clever sand]

@limber trout
Crown has the highest HP in my team

[limber trout]

Fixed

[reef field]

So i leveled max hp cube to 7 just so they fix it ????!!

[limber trout]

For reference, if you cover everyone, you won't have that fkn problem of getting damage taken so you are all 100% hp

with crown in p3/4/5, it doesn't work

It's fixed

[hoary adder]

[sinful aurora]

for anyone who is still having bug like me

you have to clear Cache

[hoary adder]

put it on kilo and use her for pvp

[agile beacon]

Oh that reminds me, time to clear cache

[clever sand]

[reef field]

I already leveled def cube

game updated

good to see it's fixed well done

[sinful aurora]

hm the diff is just gay

[delicate ore]

i am not sure i understand the bug and the fix.

Naga's S2 needs to affect anyone on the team, so that Crowns S2 gives the whole team increased ATK?

Why / how did the bug happen previously?

[reef field]

crown 600/700 hp
alice 500/500 hp

naga heals alice

cuz alice lowest hp

now it heals crown

[clever sand]

Goodbye Tia

[delicate ore]

ok, but why is that a problem if Crown gives the whole team increased ATK?

[reef field]

read her s2 skill

i don't know 100% from the top of my head

crown's s2

[reef field]

naga used to not heal crown

now it heals crown

[delicate ore]

to me, "Activates when recovery takes effect." means if anyone is recovered 😄 lol

so this means only when Crown has been recovered?

ok, good to know 😄

[reef field]

yes crown specifically

[west moth]

Oh so the bug was fixed before I was able to rush to chapter 30, damn

[delicate ore]

ok, so we tested this, by putting Crown on P1, and everyone was full health, and in the case of everyone having full HP, the recovery happens from P1 -> P5

and we saw it work

ok, good to know that too 😄

[lone notch]

patch is already delivered?

[delicate ore]

yes

[hushed acorn]

What's up

Is it the flashbang in win 11 issue?

@limber trout

[limber trout]

Yes

[hushed acorn]

Well ig I have to wait for them to show up

Or do we just make it a post somewhere

For win11 users

[boreal junco]

pog first time I attempt this

is this the beast team for the purpose if you need max damage ( so no elegg) or is there someone better than privaty

[rough haven]

What about Tia instead of priv?

[boreal junco]

naga you mean ?

[sinful aurora]

piercing the core of GD is kinda ehh

[boreal junco]

ya

I mean she still provides more than 20% akt no?

even if it's her atk

[clever sand]

[soft loom]

Just use RH and slowly kill Grave and enjoy your sadist side

[late bison]

Thanks to naga fix I can clear 21-32 hard without so much malding.
crown taunt+invincible is very good tanking that one deadly phase, but died to the rocks next after that

[lone notch]

still can’t clear sinister even after naga patch

[clever sand]

[hoary adder]

win10. happens after I reinstalled pc

[astral marlin]

Is a defenders stat lower than an attacker or it depends on the unit?
My emilia has 79k cp and my crown is 77k
Both are mlb, max OL 5, but emilia is on 9/9/10 while crown is full 10/10/10
Both are respectively max bonded, so its just kinda surprising how her stats are drastically lower, never invested on a defender as much i have done on an attacker until now soo yea somebody might be able to help me on this one, sankyu

[twin panther]

also mg's has lower cp value

[reef field]

weapon type and role type have different stats and that affects cp

you can see it when you compare lvl 1 characters with each other

[lean canyon]

The doomposting is finally over

[quartz pond]

HP goes Defender (100%), Supporter (90%), Attacker (81%)
ATK goes Attacker (100%), Supporter (83%), Defender (66%)

DEF is weird since it's based on weapon, so:

1. DEF AR (100%) → RL (97.5%) → SG (95.9%)
2. SUP AR (90.8%) → RL (88.6%) → SG (87.2%)
3. DEF SMG (86.1%) → SR (84%) → MG (83.6%)
4. ATK AR (81.8%) → RL (79.8%) → SG (78.5%)
5. SUP SMG (78.3%) → SR (76.3%) → MG (76%)
6. ATK SMG (70.4%) → SR (68.7%) → MG (68.4%)

Then the math gets more complicated cuz gear for different classes provides different stats

[reef field]

they leave room for crown's successor in the future

attacker crown

[placid elbow]

Seems more less the same. Gear gives the same ratios of atk and hp.

6015 is about 66.66% of 9021
And 7518 is 83% of 9021

[sinful aurora]

and when you reach lv 600

they provide little to nothing stat

[placid elbow]

Yea cus lvl scaling is exponential and gear is just flat stat

[reef field]

shift up did mention that they found a new way to rob whales out of their resources

by making excess t9m gear useful

could be related to making stats useful at higher levels

[sinful aurora]

I just need %HP OL

for now, if Scarlet burst kill you at lv 600

it kills you at lv 1000

and lv 2000

nothing will change that

[reef field]

leave scarlet alone

if she gets robbed out of her position as pvp queen she's dead fr

scarlet pvp support

[blazing kestrel]

we need OL 2 with new interception

which hopefully will be a little challenging

[clever sand]

no plsss

Let me end ol 1

fuck rng

[placid elbow]

they actually had it b4, but switched it out for chrge spd and crit dmg

[limber trout]

Damn would've been busted

[zealous seal]

💀 cs is good though

[sinful aurora]

dat 20% max HP

there's this one too lmao

[reef field]

charge speed was an untested mistake

thank you very much shift up

[placid elbow]

https://nikke.gg/december-8-patch-notes-rundown/

lmao

[limber trout]

This is an absolutely WILD set of changes

I am GLAD I wasn't cooking back then
Hell naw

[clever sand]

No fkng way

We lost charge speed?

[wheat sierra]

No way

[clever sand]

Rh ded again

[wheat sierra]

Different universe where Alice not 100% crg spd

[clever sand]

Oh fuck Alice ded

The world where everyone is ded

[wheat sierra]

But yeah Alice is shift up biggest mistake

Macro issue, 1 million crg damage % etc

[limber trout]

Alice is genuinely the biggest mistake

[clever sand]

I wanna se that earth 23546

[limber trout]

Bring back the 1 million bug

I wanna set new records

[clever sand]

We're living in earth 23545

[severe yew]

comparison kinda wild

[clever sand]

Midlet

[limber trout]

SBS didn't even increase

[clever sand]

[limber trout]

Naga got buffed more than midlet

[severe yew]

eh

it did tho

or you mean the range difference

[clever sand]

Neutral?

[limber trout]

This is a before and after bug fix right?

[severe yew]

yea on Iron weak so ignore SBS for now

even tho she wild for having that much on non ele advantage

[clever sand]

Rh 571m in iron weak

[severe yew]

no good ele dmg lines

sooo yea

[clever sand]

I feel you bro, mine has 0 ele

[severe yew]

need more rocks

[clever sand]

Well maybe 8% from cube

[severe yew]

OH SHIT

aight so add 8% from cube into that.

[sinful aurora]

I hate shooting range boss

no part to pierce

and Lehu has no ele too

[clever sand]

No ele RH club

Rh alt MG pierce when?

[severe yew]

RH skin first :3

[plain glen]

best i could do

[twin panther]

Uhh

Either crown or Blanc doing nothing here

[astral marlin]

many thanks, raoul included

[clever sand]

Mine is better and full auto

[plain glen]

doesn't crown's buff take effect on full burst?

[quartz pond]

The ATK buff, yes

[placid elbow]

S1, but you want to use her burst skill anyways

[zealous seal]

its permant after 1st burst though, cuz 15s duration

[quartz pond]

The attack damage buffs are from her own burst and from healing

[hoary adder]

no cdr team says hi

[frozen charm]

if tia is getting shafted, is there a place for her in any of the SR teams?

or is she perma shafted even in UR

[placid jolt]

Pretty sure we'll use Tiga in SR and UR

[frozen charm]

tia's kit doesnt seem to do anything other than regen cover and give us a shield

[placid jolt]

tia gives a massive attack buff

[frozen charm]

ah

[frozen charm]

can you give an example?

feels kind of a waste to use tia since ur forced into 2-1-2

[clever sand]

well tiga is not disbanded in UR SR

you need 5 teams

[placid jolt]

...we've been using tiga 2-1-2 for months

[frozen charm]

sure because the 2 bursts 3 allowed for that

[placid jolt]

we don't have enough good B3s anyway

[frozen charm]

now if tia moves elsewhere it will be different

[placid jolt]

tia isn't being decoupled from naga in raids

[clever sand]

tia stays with naga in ur sr lol

[frozen charm]

i thought Crown+naga is better

[placid jolt]

sure, if you're only going to run one team

[clever sand]

sure that could be team party 1

but you lose tia shield every burst rotation

remember shield is broken rn

[placid jolt]

but you have 5 teams in SR. wasting tia's attack buff is probably not the way

[clever sand]

crown fit everywhere actually

is not like ohhh naga is bound with crown now in raid content

[reef field]

my bruh

crown in 1 team and tia naga in another

this way we maximize our output

until 1 day when we get kick off tia and crown+naga is team 5

if possible we do run 1-1-3 with crown yes just like you said

maximum dmg

[clever sand]

well if crown with her 15 secs shield can keep alive the team

maybe, just maybe

you can run b1 cdr, crown sbs alice and privaty

[frozen charm]

hm well i guess i have a team in mind already

[frozen charm]

volume?

[clever sand]

why not doro

[reef field]

i'm thinking about old school doro crown b3 b3 priv

[frozen charm]

double flashbang

[reef field]

crown yeeting out biscuit/b2

[frozen charm]

[clever sand]

rip eyes

[reef field]

i can taste the power already

[clever sand]

i fell you bro

[reef field]

2 b2's gone

[clever sand]

that 15 secs shield is something mmmmmmm

delicious

shield stil active when you are charging the bar for another burst round

[reef field]

it is possible but it would surprise me if somebody made a team that's like tia liter b2 b3 b3 and b1 crown naga b3 b3 lol

i wonder how much uptime tia loses with just liter as the cover repair nikke

do we have any kind of dps simulator sheets? put in the nikke and watch the numbers fly from a theoretical standpoint?

[ocean sphinx]

tia can work without cover repair as long as the team has only 1 primary dps

since she can just burst every other rotation, syncing with the dps

[reef field]

yeah we don't want that dps loss in sr

[clever sand]

Imagine disband tiga in SR, what a pain

[zealous seal]

naga crown and tia rupee

[clever sand]

No pls not that copium

[quartz pond]

T1 and T2 will probably be Tiga and Crown teams, T3 bunnies, T4 Dorovity, T5 flex (Snow White if she's not in higher team? )

[clever sand]

Personally I like the liter gals Rh snow team idea

But 4 iron in one team...

[quartz pond]

Pretty sure we'd get more damage splitting them

Snow White provides nothing to RH, meanwhile Maxwell does

Iron is plentiful enough that I don't think we need to worry about doubling up too much

[clever sand]

Yeah gals dwife Rh mw is one good comp

I bet for doro crown SBS Alice privaty

Yeah, no healer

[quartz pond]

Volume/Crown/SW/Yulha/Rapu?

Idk

We'll see when we figure out how much Indivilia violates our Nikkes in challenge mode

[clever sand]

Well is crown raid

if she don't heal, maybe isn't necessary

[quartz pond]

inb4 she only deals damage every 15s to time up with Crown taunt

[clever sand]

Maybe 15 secs shield is enough

idk how many times indivilia makes an AOE unstoppable

[quartz pond]

I'm just curious if Crown team will be T1 or T2

Can she surpass Tiga

(probably since Iron raid)

[clever sand]

her raid

Is like ultra, Rh doing 5b alone

[quartz pond]

That's also RH

M Priv was in T4 for Crystal Chamber raid

[clever sand]

lol SU cook an interesting SG team but they forgot CDR and healing

[zealous seal]

before vs after this patch

[clever sand]

And instead of that they put RNG in B1

[quartz pond]

People didn't complain enough like they did to get RH buffed

[agile beacon]

The problem is most commanders are thinking of the wrong massive part of Tia

[lean canyon]

g!tia

[hollow hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1009794171265101854/1155593908533854258/RDT_20230925_002854.mp4

[ocean sphinx]

found a very niche setup today

idk if worth using, but maybe

if you do a crown/liter/rh/mod/naga rotation

and you rh>crown>rh burst your first rotation

you can liter burst next rotation asap, but there's usually a few sec delay on crown b2, but since naga is there, you can just burst with naga instead

no longer have to deal with cdr delay, but you lose dmg

probably better to just use dkw instead of liter, but interesting possibility you can do regardless

[reef field]

you can also do a liter/crown/b3 rotation first and then a rh naga rh rotation

liter crown b3 will come off cd

not many stages actually require a tight burst after burst rotation though it's why rh double b3 tianaga teams also worked and were meta despite having 0 cdr

[reef field]

crown my beloved king

[soft loom]

reroll in a nutshell

[elfin burrow]

Once saw someone get the exact same single line & number from a reroll

Which tbh should be illegal

Like just code it that if the reroll is identical to current it rolls again

[clever sand]

If one day SU increases the fps to 120 for example, something changes in mg shoots per second?

[lilac spoke]

tfw you rerolled into 2 black lines but it's still trash (Crown)

[small bloom]

Something change alright, and it's my phone's internal temp

[placid elbow]

Yea itll be 70 shots/second

[clever sand]

[soft loom]

I'm trying to reroll before Raid arrives 😭

[clever sand]

Damn

[soft loom]

Currently only have 1 Elem atk

other stats are shit...

[ocean sphinx]

I'd had a case where it was exact same before

[dapper sleet]

anyone know how many free pulls we got

15 more

surely i get 4 crowns in 15 1% pulls

[soft loom]

I got 4 Crowns in 100 pulls

[dapper sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-jerry-mouse-gif-14324680

[copper shell]

[agile beacon]

How’s your luck doing?

I was 2 crowns in what 220 pulls, I forget, then gave up and mileaged

[dapper sleet]

i havent pulled her yet lol

ticketed to core 4

[sinful aurora]

Tia pls

[ocean sphinx]

if only she could join in

[rough haven]

RNG cucked me by 1 ammo. Gotta keep rerolling ammo lines

So, I have 3 pieces with ammo as the only worthy stat. Does attack and ED really make a big difference for crown, seeing as she’s a defender with low attack? Trying to see if it’s worth burning more rocks trying to get ammo + attack/ED

[clever sand]

More FPS when?

[winter folio]

Tia still need Naga

Also SR is about you play with 5 perfect comps

Not making a strongest to break 4 others

So in SR, still Tia Naga

Crown Naga only available in HC

Also Tia Naga can make u less worry about surviving

Overall, SR UR are where u have to make 3-5 strong comps, not making 1 strongest meanwhile breaking the others

Please don't listen to people who told you to reset Tia, all in Crown Naga

[twin panther]

yeah cover regen taunt and shield is useless

[lone notch]

I'm doing hard with crown mod sbs rh rapunzel

it's goat squad

[jovial quartz]

don't listen to reason, reset tia, brick your account

[mortal quarry]

this, you can always level her back up

[hoary adder]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mod-discord-kick-mute-gif-495505587681287181

[elfin burrow]

I wouldn't reset Tia, but UR will likely soon have Crown/Naga as one of the three teams, as more good Nikke are added.

[crisp atlas]

Why not put crown on doro team who's consistently the lowest damaging team

I cant understand who in their right mind would separate tiga in raids

That only offsets the dmg spread even more and and brings no benefit

[quartz pond]

Since when is Doro team lowest damaging?

[lean canyon]

[twin panther]

since everytime

[crisp atlas]

?

[quartz pond]

lolwut

[twin panther]

I mean she outdamages the trash bin team thats team 5

but doro is the lowest damage team compared other good setup

[quartz pond]

False

[crisp atlas]

lol i said consitently, not always

[quartz pond]

Doro team has never been T5

[crisp atlas]

If you're gonna bring up an example of doro biscuit in crystal chamber to prove your point then idk what to say

[quartz pond]

Doro team outdamaged bunny team last raid

It's consistently T3

Not T5

[crisp atlas]

There has never been a fixed team 5

[quartz pond]

You didn't say fixed team

[crisp atlas]

Therefore the concept of team 5 doesnt exist

[quartz pond]

Also in S12 we had JKs, SBS, Doro, bunnies, and SW

[crisp atlas]

You cant compare to something that doesnt exist lmao

[quartz pond]

Those are fixed comps

[crisp atlas]

Do those comp apply in other seasons?

[quartz pond]

SW comp has appeared consistently

Bunnies and JKs have

[twin panther]

like in the last few raids

[crisp atlas]

But not a staple team

[twin panther]

doro teams above only the sw and her trashes

[quartz pond]

And my point remains that you didn't say fixed teams in your first statement

which makes it erroneous

[twin panther]

sw is usually team 5 because she uses the nikkes no other dps could

[crisp atlas]

That contributes nothing to the argument lol

[quartz pond]

Miranda/Dolla/Snow White/Yulha has been used consistently

[crisp atlas]

Your counter argument is that doro team isnt the lowest dmg team bc it surpasses a cope comp that changes every season

[quartz pond]

Tove/Leona/M Priv is a consistent team comp now

[crisp atlas]

Ok?

[quartz pond]

Yes, because your statement is essentially saying that Doro is on the chopping block

[crisp atlas]

How many people ran shotun comp?

Lmao you're literally putting words in my mouth

[quartz pond]

No, I'm using the words you said

You're adding words you didn't say

[crisp atlas]

Did i?

[quartz pond]

You added "fixed"

Changes the meaning entirely

[crisp atlas]

Or do you have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old

[quartz pond]

Team vs comp

Big difference

[twin panther]

I mean the "fixed" comps were implied, at least Idid

[crisp atlas]

Ok how about this

[twin panther]

not everyone can be proficient in every language

just be nice and try to argue not insult

[crisp atlas]

Im sorry i didnt specify the context to be UR comps specifically

Which the previous message was talking about

In case you didnt notice i added "splitting tiga" in my message which the previous person referred to

[quartz pond]

Ahhhhh, I missed that context since it wasn't a direct reply, thus the resulting conversation

UR is definitely Tiga > Bunnies > Doro

and definitely agree that splitting Tiga is silly outside of campaign

I hope no one is resetting Tia

[reef field]

nope, not at all
if crown naga can do one hit kill then it's worth the split

[crisp atlas]

idk a certain streamer seems determined to make that work

[quartz pond]

I mean, any comp can do one hit kill if you're a high enough level in UR

[twin panther]

if crown with naga overperfroms over 2 teams like the ultra raid with rh they can be split

[hoary adder]

ur teambuilding might get chaotic with crown in the mix

[reef field]

yeah and that applies to everyone

[quartz pond]

I OHKO'd level 8-10 Cucumber last raid with Doro team

[reef field]

for you

[quartz pond]

Rem helped a lot with that tho

Won't work nearly as well outside of Fire bosses

meanwhile Crown works for everything

[reef field]

and if you're optimizing for time anyway, your team will also only have to do half hits so uneven damage isn't big deal

[quartz pond]

Sadly my union is still only at 20 active players, so we can't afford half-hits

[crisp atlas]

You're talking about top 1% of the playerbase

Well 5% now ig but thats not the majority

[reef field]

I am pointing out one scenario where that will work since you made a general statement why you shouldn't split tia and naga at all and clearly there are legit use cases

[quartz pond]

Fair

I'm in a position where I pretty much have to OHKO with all three teams no matter what, so I'm always thinking about maximizing overall damage

[reef field]

I'm more interested in when Dorothy will finally get booted off UR teams

[quartz pond]

When we get B1 CDR Chime

so 2.5 anni

[reef field]

dunno maybe next UR

[quartz pond]

We did get DKW from normal manufacturer's, so it's possible

but until anyone can fit into the DKW/Liter/Doro zone, Doro's here to stay

[twin panther]

I think doro will survive unless they print a b1 that compliments crown

[hoary adder]

doro has teamwide parts bonus damage

that niche is pretty hard to powercreep

her only downside is her cdr needs priv

doro crown for SR might work because that parts damage is a separate multiplier on top of crown's buffs

but I'm not convinced the team can sustain without a healer

[quartz pond]

Why wouldn't you have a healer?

Crown provides more DPS than bunnies alone, so you can throw in any healer you want

Doro/Crown/S Anis/Priv/Marc, Rapu, etc.

[hoary adder]

helm stays with SW?

hmm

[quartz pond]

Will really depend on how the fight works out

With Crown's taunt being somewhat infrequent, it could be that Indivilia won't actually deal a lot of consistent damage, but rather infrequent, big hits

in a similar vein to Nihilister doing practically nothing as long as you have cover, Crown invinicibility + barrier may make the fight relatively easy

...or she could be like Stormbringer and just rip us apart

[clever sand]

Sanis sucks

Mid unit mid dps

the new doro team is doro, crown, SBS Alice, privaty/healer

[sinful aurora]

[clever sand]

Gatrix I don't wanna be the judge but isn't this datamine, is it?

[sinful aurora]

damn true

let me delete Crown

[clever sand]

[sinful aurora]

but Nvidia is from the PV

so it's safe

[clever sand]

Yep

[sinful aurora]

wait this one is mined too by werd

[clever sand]

Well if something happens I see you in prydwn server

[clever sand]

[lean canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012288696336273428/1234372018040733766/CrownEH.gif

[autumn beacon]

he probably just squeezed past 16-18, cleared 16-28, then came back to 16-18 later. I did that a bunch in the past, and it doesn't sound like they patched it out yet

way simpler explanation than multiple accounts esp since he sounds legit otherwise, as long as you know about squeezing anyway

although squeezing is kind of a dumb name given what you're doing, I'd call it more phasing through 👻

[reef field]

moonwalk has long been patched out

[autumn beacon]

this isn't moonwalk, this is squeezing, different technique

I squeezed like 5 different stages last time alice was bugged, that's way more recent than when moonwalk was patched

[reef field]

that makes sense but i wouldn't call the squeezing method 'phazing through'

moonwalk was phasing through

[autumn beacon]

it's still phasing through, because I'm literally going straight through the enemy not squeezing to the side

it just takes 20 minutes to do instead of like 5s or however long moonwalk took

[tardy heart]

you know what i dislike about this team with tia in campaign. Have to wait for her burst cd if not using modernia burst

[jagged wasp]

Wat options for OL gear do crown need?

[hoary adder]

if you really want to minmax: 1-2 ammo, 4 ele, 4 atk
but most people would be fine with 1-2 ammo and nothing else

[jagged wasp]

Ok, would the other 2 slots be hit rate or could add in one of ele n another atk?

[tacit plover]

I got charge speed in. The 4 old for crown

So sad

[sinful aurora]

even without OL, as long as you have resi lv 7+ and S1 lv 10

it's not too bad

860 ammo requires 14.3s shooting relentlessly
or 16.1s with 3 reload

[rough haven]

How long to get 860 shots with this?

[sinful aurora]

read

[rough haven]

Are you assuming 300 ammo mag?

[sinful aurora]

yep

300 with 3 reloads

[rough haven]

Isn’t it 2 reloads?

You don’t need to reload the first 300

[sinful aurora]

sure

how about the 2nd trigger?

and the 3rd?

[rough haven]

Yeah that goes up to 3 each

Her reload is 0.6s each?

[sinful aurora]

yeah

[rough haven]

That’s really fast for an MG

[sinful aurora]

max S1 + resi cube

0.6s means you never wind up

[rough haven]

I see

Maybe I should’ve kept my ED instead of going for third ammo

Ah well

I’ll just get over 860 bullets and trigger once every mag

[sinful aurora]

I rmb write this in the review

[tranquil flume]

there goes your +200mil SR score

[sinful aurora]

"ammo is for smoother shooting experience"

[tranquil flume]

[sinful aurora]

because I verified the downtime in shooting range myself

[rough haven]

I don’t think crown does crazy damage by herself…

[sinful aurora]

the diff between ammo/no ammo is so small

[rough haven]

But I could be mistaken

[sinful aurora]

what a shitty broken ass character

she can deal dmg

but why do you spend rock to build a max - Midlet's level of DPS

[rough haven]

?

So she doesn’t deal enough to warrant rocks?

[sinful aurora]

depend on your goal

but for me, it's too hard to fish for ATK/Ele/Ammo roll on her

I spent like 7 rocks on her

all shit

[rough haven]

I spent about 10 or less

[sinful aurora]

I accepted my charge speed charge dmg hit rate Crown

and stop throwing rocks on her

down with the shame, nake king

[rough haven]

I have 3 ammo, 1 atk, 1 ele

I might roll for higher numbers on them tho

[lean canyon]

I got 3 hit rates with 2 defense

[long magnet]

So far I got 3 ele, 2 attack and 1 ammo on my 3 gear, 4th is coming soon

[twin glacier]

Sounds very useful…

[gaunt sail]

I dont see any pins is crown good so far?

[gaunt sail]

What pins

Mobile discrimination

[sinful aurora]

tap Setting

[gaunt sail]

Ok thanks this updates stupid

[agile beacon]

Crown skin gacha is up and some of us can’t even buy the final pull

[jovial quartz]

That reminds me, @limber trout you bought them bathrobe yet?

[royal heath]

snake gave in and whaled

[hoary adder]

Shift Up with its bug

we're taking your money but not giving you the skin

[sinful aurora]

[agile beacon]

I tried another gacha and it has the same live2d doing a random of 3 different motions

Every skin feels like a $60 skin

[void hill]

all lore skin will be gacha huh

[reef field]

let's put story character development behind gacha skin

nice one SU

[severe yew]

oh damn

Solo raid 2nd half song

[plain glen]

is it anything like the 1st half

[severe yew]

completely different song

is the same song they used in the Part 2 event story PV in youtube

[soft loom]

Wow!!

[small bloom]

Damn..

[glacial fossil]

time to flood in THE crown team at the lowest cp. 41% cp deficit

[sinful aurora]

[glacial fossil]

hey. it's not the lowest but still pretty low no?

one guy even beats me to it

[dapper raptor]

How do you stack up royal attire faster?

beside... upgrading the skill 2

[crisp atlas]

Reduce reloads with max ammo OL

And play the game on 60 fps

[dapper raptor]

I've been trying to RNG alteisen with crown invis for hours

[elfin burrow]

Surely you can manual Crown to trigger her invis when you want

A pain sure, but theoretically possible

[limber trout]

Worst Nalaniko performance be like