#[Crown] New Unit Megathread

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sharp delta
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my novel died so my crown can run

limber trout
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cdr isnt needed tho
u can just run Mpriv and its higher dps output

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and bunnies provide insnane survivability

twin panther
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Novel deadge

winter folio
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But you should know that Noir isn't that good with SG anyway, the hit rate buff only comes when you use her burst

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Which is Sugar's burst already expired

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cant stack

placid elbow
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Tbf, novel is still the best detective nikke in the game atm

limber trout
placid elbow
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30s

limber trout
old crest
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Crown meta

limber trout
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half of the hitrate is still given

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for 30s

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not all that bad

winter folio
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Only 10% for whole 30sec

limber trout
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not only when it comes in context of SG

old crest
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Glad i spend my gems correctly

winter folio
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If your SG units have few hit rate lines

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then it's usuab le

sharp delta
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im a hitrate deneyer

limber trout
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what do you even need hitrate for on upcoming boss

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Indivilia makes it 4 bosses where SG will excel

sharp delta
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if i was focusing on rolls since i dont expect 3 lines on every piece

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having an extra attack/ammo/ele

winter folio
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And again i dont feel I like the Tove's RNG

sharp delta
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would be better than hitrate

winter folio
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5% is just trash

sharp delta
limber trout
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4/13

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not that bad

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with GD and LE coming in

winter folio
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but honestly

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if u'r an 3% - 1% enjoyer

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just go Liter bunnies

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easy life

sharp delta
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is gd/LE really a sg boss

limber trout
sharp delta
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or is it just a RH SW boss

winter folio
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that's why

limber trout
sharp delta
winter folio
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just stack 3 strongest team

limber trout
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3rd strongest is actually rem and not bunnies

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thats what i wanna know

winter folio
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Honestly I don't know

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I'm not a math gamer

twin panther
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Is it just me or they made a boss called Nvidia

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Lmao

limber trout
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someone ring up skyjlv on stream

winter folio
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I found everything by playing everything

sharp delta
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its nividia

sharp delta
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so theyre coming after us and we have to fight

winter folio
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Rem with Liter last time was for ele shield

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Who's gonna be Iron in this one

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I bet u can replace Mrpiv as Sugar

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Or Mod

twin panther
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Probably mod goes and finds another home

reef field
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the new cube amplify healing ?

placid elbow
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yes

reef field
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given or taken right ?

placid elbow
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given

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according to KR text

void hill
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Is moran good buffer for crown DoroGib

reef field
placid elbow
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주는 회복량 (amount of healing given)

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체력 회복량 (amount of health recovery)
This one is hp potency^

placid elbow
soft loom
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Bunny, TiaNaga, Last bullet, Crown team

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so Team 5 is still flex

sinful aurora
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it means

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in English

novel radish
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Lol

placid elbow
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cus HP potency basically only affects incoming healing

sinful aurora
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my own test

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this is 2B lifesteal on Helm burst

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Helm equipped and didn't equip cube

placid elbow
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oh ok

sinful aurora
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the diff is, 12940/11972 = 8.08%

placid elbow
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so EN fucked this one up

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so the cube is not giving HP potency then just like KR text suggests

sinful aurora
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anyway, it's an effect exclusive for healer only

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non healer having it is like charge speed on MG

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shit

placid elbow
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level 3 effect is like +16% more healing

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pretty nice iguess

sinful aurora
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so so

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let's say, if your skill scaling is 1.69x

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then with cube lv 7

sinful aurora
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your healing skill lv 6 => lv 7

placid elbow
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Like here is d

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3.04 / 2.88 = 1.055x going from lvl 6 to lvl 7

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and then lvl 7 cube is just 1.1616x

pliant oriole
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what is blud cooking with the cubes

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🧍‍♂️

reef field
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is that to get crown healed?

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lol

mortal quarry
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guillotine is a good delivery system for all the buffs

reef field
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heal crown comp

sinful aurora
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in this case

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lv 7 with cube = lv 10

placid elbow
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nice

sinful aurora
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finally a good cube

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a lv 4 will now heal as much as lv 6.5

twin panther
balmy mortar
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limber trout
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Alrdy have bug report for this in pins

twin panther
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sky getting a good mileage from this one

limber trout
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Rezegard cooking this time around

balmy mortar
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like the thing he posted is naga s2 bug right?

placid elbow
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is good more coverage

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i see KR bros talking about this on arca too

twin panther
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inb4 ppl complain about sweating in a ass booba game

balmy mortar
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idk man but this bug is kinda insane

twin panther
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this bug nothing new when you think about it

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because same thing got fixed on a lot of healers

balmy mortar
jagged wasp
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Wat comp works best with crown?

twin panther
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for campaign its rh-crown-mod-alice-naga

jagged wasp
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Wait, is rh the burst 1?

hasty gyro
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yes

scenic star
jagged wasp
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I don’t hav Alice, is there someone else I can swap with her?

hasty gyro
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I mean you can just run liter, or any other B3 you have geared/skilled up.

twin panther
hasty gyro
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The above comp is the max sweat very high power deficit hard mode comp

scenic star
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have we tested out the new burst charge changes?

jagged wasp
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I see, thank you

severe yew
limber trout
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100% ammo more than enough Deadge

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2 OL is ideal

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Tantan was correct

severe yew
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no i mean the Cube they are using

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to push their Hp% so crown is lowest alongside Marian

ocean sphinx
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uh guys

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ran into interesting issue with maxwell

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my liter stole my maxwell buff hmmz

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liter > crown > modernia means that my sbs has lower atk than liter now

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bc liter gets crown s1, but bscar doesn't

mortal quarry
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Now everyone gets the carrot kekw

twin panther
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I heard it first time

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"my litter stole my attack buff"

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lmao

ocean sphinx
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ig whoever bursting still gets it, so not that bad

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but still

limber trout
hoary adder
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it's fine, sbs' damage is like 90% from her bursting

lean canyon
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"Account bricked, shouldn't have OLed Liter "

hoary adder
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and her burst is +100% atk

lean canyon
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I can already see the headlines

hoary adder
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if liter still steals mw buff

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at that state

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idk what to say

placid elbow
twin panther
zealous holly
placid elbow
twin panther
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for burstgen you already spam the shots

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cs means nothing

dapper sleet
severe yew
twin panther
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vigor

reef field
severe yew
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ok cause they look fcking similar from afar lol

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so the comp is to push every max HP ?

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is it enough to push higher than Crowns ? lol

reef field
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only do it if your naga can't heal crown

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could depend on everyone's gear too

severe yew
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lucky only need lvl 7

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not that bad

vocal night
ocean salmon
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I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but crown has the most hp out of most of my units since she has more ol gear than everyone else. Will she not receive rapunzels heal in that case?

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If everyone's full hp

placid elbow
ocean salmon
placid elbow
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Yes

ocean salmon
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Wow I didn't know that at all lol, thanks so much for the info 🙏

gentle sentinel
boreal junco
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and what makes you break crown ?

mild crystal
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well i don't really put them together unless is campaign team

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i guess just no need to OL crown for now lol

placid elbow
mild crystal
tacit plover
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guys after reading the chat. my brain feels like butter. What ol lines and teammate crown needs to be absolutely worth it to use with rh as main dps. mostly for all content deadge

reef field
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Hey guys, from what I´ve seen and the pinned messages, Crown and Liter/RH is the core of the team, and then some B3, for campaign?

tacit plover
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O it's already there BlancStare thank u sir

reef field
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am i bricked if i got a crown dupe? i heard the dupes fuck up the naga comp

hasty gyro
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27 rocks and all I saw was 1x attack line

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at least I got my 2x ammo

gentle sentinel
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I only got crown to 1LB, and based on Sky's video, we probably shouldn't OL crown?

lean canyon
reef field
mild crystal
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it just a bug,probably will get fixed soon, and that is only happne on naga

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use other healer= problem solved

reef field
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its a bug? i thought it was intended haha

reef field
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who should i swap for naga?

ocean sphinx
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putting maxwell before crown still results in crown s1 triggering before maxwell s1

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so my liter still steals buff hmmz

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ig crown activates before regular full burst buffs

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crown:

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maxwell

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wording diff, "at the start" vs "when entering"

lean canyon
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The only benefit of not OLing crown is that it is easier to proc her S2 with Naga's healing, but you are also lowering your own CP by doing so. She will proc her S2 by herself for around 40-50% of the battle, using Naga just means that you will have it active for 90%.

mild crystal
# ocean sphinx crown:

I think maxwell should activate first if based on skill kit since crown have to reach fb while maxwell is otw to fb?

ocean sphinx
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with position like Maxwell/Liter/Mod/Bscar/Crown

ocean sphinx
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if crown was after, then mod and bscar get maxwell buff

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but even in that position, liter steals maxwell buff, because liter got crown s1

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so I think they coded crown s1 to trigger before any typical full burst buffs

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lemme try alice, although I heard maxwell and alice s1s work a bit differently

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yeah with p1 crown p5 alice, liter also steals alice buff

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p1 alice p5 crown the same thing

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so alice and maxwell work the same way in this situation

mild crystal
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hmm

ocean sphinx
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I knew it, vigor cube to make naga heal crown wheezetao

mild crystal
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consider i don't have RH for campaign mode kinda sucks

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lol

mild crystal
ocean sphinx
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any b1 support that has atk that's close to your attackers can steal it

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since liter always bursts, so whichever b3 isn't bursting will lose buff if liter can surpass their atk using crown s1

mild crystal
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I guess not gonna buy spare body for liter

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glad my liter is not fully OL yet

tacit plover
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thats kinda messed up

ocean sphinx
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I can put vigor on liter (no dps loss) and vigor on either mod or bscar, and crown will be 2nd lowest hp for naga heals DoroThink

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might try that out

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and crown can still be 3OL

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just no boots, but it gives only hp and def anyway

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will just get my 2 ammo OL from the other 3 pieces

rocky mantle
mild crystal
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but if under full hp circumstances, naga seems bugged out instead of healing from left to right

ocean sphinx
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definitely a bug imo

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all other lowest hp healers work the same way, just naga that's different

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hope they fix

rocky mantle
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@hasty gyro this is my guear it cost me 4 rocks, the upgrade to OL was amazing (my luck was blessing)

rocky mantle
reef field
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no fucking way I can fully auto SI's just by putting crown in

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except train Im guessing

agile beacon
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whole team sits there as if they’re enjoying the scenery, like wth

tacit plover
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so when naga be fixed when can put crown boots again?

agile beacon
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I think you’ve sabotaged my brain because while I understood you I also didn’t understand you

tacit plover
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no way

placid jolt
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What's the priority in-between? What goes to 10 first?

agile beacon
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S1 governs reload speed buff, caster’s atk buff. You’re raising it mainly for the reload speed

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Burst governs massive atk dmg buff, shielding. You’re raising it mainly for the atk dmg buff

gilded trench
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k

hallow junco
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Is Crown any good?

hasty gyro
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Nah

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Hold for 2nd anni

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Barely beats Liter in damage

ocean sphinx
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No cdr in a support, and no team heals lol

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Trash unit

reef field
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this is why noir is bad

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as a dps doesn't even deal good dps

dapper sleet
tacit plover
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bro

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just think that crown is the unit that will help the most anacherino

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trust me im not coping

zealous seal
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kekw crown is new new free train, her taunt really useful in phase 1

reef field
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train's so free at some point it's going to start paying us

agile beacon
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Next thing you know, HSR train shows up and kidnaps your squad

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Time to pull for Crown, Red Hood, Alice, and Liter all over again

surreal leaf
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So based on what I'm seeing about crown + naga
We shouldn't level crown's gear or mlb her until naga gets fixed?

agile beacon
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If you intend on forcing it, yeah

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Basically 0LB crown in just lvl0 T9M or even T9 gear

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Then check across your team to make sure nobody has more HP than Crown

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I think it’s not good, seems awfully wrong to have to do these shenanigans but up to you

delicate ore
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yeah, def not doing that

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once bug is fixed, I'll use naga with crown

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until then, i don't really have to

lean canyon
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the worst part of all is that it negatively impacts your CP at lower levels, My team went from 190k to 180k when I removed Crown's T9M level 5 gear

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AT higher levels gear tends to become less impactful

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but HECK I am not doing that either

reef field
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crown still activates her buff

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uptime just isn't 100%

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it's not that big of a deal in campaign where you are in control of when the boss spawns

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bit of clever gaming and you can time it

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and that's only if your really need it but from what i see most players don't push hard anyway

tardy heart
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no wonder i felt like i dont have the max experience in naga team when pushing campaign.

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rip mlb crown

reef field
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is it a bug? mlb crown shouldnt be penalizing players wtf lmao

agile beacon
dusky goblet
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crown has very bad posture

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they should make a chiropractor nikke to help her

agile beacon
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It’s a snapshot

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Like how Helm does have a straight back usually

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Same deal when Soline’s in your commander room receiving advise while having you at gunpoint

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She’s actually not doing that “in reality” hehe

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Same thing goes for clothes

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Bunnies going out to battle in casino entertainer costume… no

rough haven
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Did anyone file a bug report about naga’s healing mechanics not working correctly? Crown would benefit tremendously if that were fixed

agile beacon
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Yeah, Snake did

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I think multiple regions sent in reports, it’s a guess

rough haven
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Nice. I hope they fix it. I already bricked my crown by giving her high OLs

agile beacon
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Mine’s lvl0 OLs but is 5CB which is much worse to have

rough haven
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Yeah, gear at your level doesn’t really do much

gentle sentinel
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Yeah, I'm waiting until they get it fixed. Thankfully I didn't upgrade armor on crown yet

rough haven
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I was trying to pad my cp lol

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Now I’m paying the price

agile beacon
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I’m sure they’ll fix Naga healing priority since Snake showed evidence that ShiftUp intended otherwise

rough haven
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Ok good

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When healing priority is fixed, then what? Crown goes in p1?

gentle sentinel
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I do hope they can fix it soon before the next SR releases

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Otherwise I'll be worried

rough haven
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Rapunzel doesn’t need to worry about that. She works fine

agile beacon
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And she was fixed

rough haven
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I see

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So there is hope that they fix naga soon

agile beacon
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We’re actually enjoying Rapunzel with a fix we hope Naga would receive

gentle sentinel
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Like the same results

copper shell
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i mean wouldnt' mlb also just brick your crown

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at least at my level (sync 400)

mortal quarry
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the brick only affects campaign pushing anyway, and only minorly

lament orbit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_WB03eFqsw&ab_channel=skyjlv
wait did I brick myself by full ol crown? I need to for the atk% and max ammo rolls

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Is it because Naga has a different heal rule with everyone at full HP? as sky says, it should be going from left to right

rough haven
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No one cared about naga’s bug until crown showed up

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Yup

gentle sentinel
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I see

tall berry
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saw this, gotta share here

agile beacon
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They foresaw this

ocean sphinx
small bloom
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Does that mean my Crown is bricked?

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she's full OL and MLB

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Or it's "bricked" if you wanna pair her with Naga?

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...Imma backread

agile beacon
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But for UR/SR you don’t need to worry about it

small bloom
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I see..

agile beacon
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And it’s not like campaign is hopeless with a so called bricked Crown

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You can just use Rapunzel or whatever

small bloom
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Well, she did bump my numbers against the Water boss over at the shooting range

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By a lot

gentle sentinel
ocean sphinx
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thx shiftup

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bought 1.5 anniversary pack

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in the 10 standard pulls

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account saved

copper shell
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im full autoing hard mode right now

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have not been able to do that for months

ocean sphinx
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now I can run crown naga and still have enough burst gen

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I'm not dreaming am I?

agile beacon
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I’m thinking about resetting someone’s skills to pump Rapunzel to 10/10/10

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And maybe giving Rapunzel OL gear

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Too soon?

winter folio
agile beacon
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I could skill reset Rem kekw

thorn dagger
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i started testing out in the shooting range and i heard naga is the best meta team with crown, Liter, RH and Mord

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but when i tried to use noir instead of naga i do more dmg in total, this is on a solo boss tho

copper shell
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tove will be buffed

languid wind
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So in order for her s2 to proc with naga she has to be one of the two lowest hp units in team?

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Ah I see but even wo 100 percent uptime with her s2 wont a comp with naga still yield more damage than with rapun or pepper?

ocean sphinx
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yes, if you can utilize core dmg

languid wind
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I mean ig when manual gameplay pushing in huge deficits units like privaty and maxwell will prob be a good flex situationally

thorn dagger
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first ever pay 2 lose nikke lmao

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i mean its not bad since its only naga but still for a game where meta gets you alot of progress this is such a wierd design

ocean sphinx
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I expect them to fix naga

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Reasons why:

  1. bc whales complain
  2. read #1
  3. read #2
  4. precedent has it be left to right, like all other healers
agile beacon
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So I fought a tough stage that I couldn’t beat with Rapunzel in team

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Then tried it with Naga in team because I realized that hey, gas raptures were hurting everyone, worrying about healing Crown in p1 is out the window unless I could fully heal everyone. That wasn’t happening

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I almost won, but still lost

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Then tried it with Marciana

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Surprisingly, I did better consistently and then I finally won

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Rapunzel: 4/4/1 in T9Ms
Naga: 10/10/10 in T9Ms
Marciana: 4/4/4 in T9Ms

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I think it was something about Marciana consistently triggering Crown’s Royal Attire atk dmg buff

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Lifeleech also helped since my carries ate that up

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The stage was a good pressure test of it all

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0.7105 of recommended power. That’s 29% deficit

sudden depot
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would yall say crown is 10/10/10?

sand vortex
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Guys. Is it ok to lv5 all 4 gears for crown?

sand vortex
sudden depot
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thx 👍

sand vortex
agile beacon
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And in fact now that I’m finding wins with Marciana I’ve already rebenched Rapunzel

sand vortex
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And u are too much of a big whale in pvp so u dont need OL

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I see

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:ShiftyDerp:

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I thought u were one of my people

agile beacon
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Dolphin soul 🐬

sand vortex
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Hmm

agile beacon
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Also I’m rethinking whether Naga is the right fit

sand vortex
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If I use Scarlet

agile beacon
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For campaign pushes

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Because if you encounter a stage like I did where whole team keeps taking damage after damage

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You lose all ability to control whether Crown is being healed…

sand vortex
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Time to put core 2 Soda in my wishlish

agile beacon
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You basically need a full team healer

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Like Summer Mary or Marciana

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Or, well, yeah, Soda

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I think Soda’s the worst of the full team healing options though

sand vortex
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MG tho

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Against glasses

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She is

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Heal per 12 seconds

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:TimiProud:

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She is not even limit break

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And she is 3rd lowest HP in my team

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Red Mod Lit Nag

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Time to reset her skills

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10 1 10

ocean sphinx
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unless you use a healer that can actually heal enough to make a difference in a stage, which is what I assume happened with marci on the farters

agile beacon
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Yea, lifeleech is intensely great on high dmg carries. Modernia visibly zoomed from half hp to full hp

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It made a difference, even with Naga’s help I still took too much damage and Naga was inadequate at healing the team

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Naga could only heal 2 at a time every 5 shots

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I did almost win once, but it was more to the timing of the team wipe than actually killing the enemies

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Because I had near-wiped in a way that caused enemy waves to stall and I limped to battle time up but lost control of base by 1 second

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Contradictorily, if I didn’t have that mishap occur, I smoothly killed my way into facing more gas raptures and they annihilated my low health team kekw

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So indeed, Marciana made the difference, I reached that deathly situation with 3 fairly healthy, Crown, Red Hood, Modernia

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Liter almost dead, and Marciana having just died

ocean sphinx
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crown too flexible, just change the flex slot to whatever is best

agile beacon
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Poor gal couldn’t heal herself well with her own lifeleech kekw

ocean sphinx
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only thing stopping me from experimenting a lot with flex slot is that most of my options are really low cp hmmz

lone notch
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even crown couldn't carry me against sinister deadge

ocean sphinx
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didn't they change sinister moveset

lone notch
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another month to camp

ocean sphinx
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remember something about it in the patch notes

lone notch
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it's patched so it doesn't disappear when shooting ballz

ocean sphinx
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ah

agile beacon
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Had to switch to Naga just to do more damage

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So I guess there’s no perfect partner in campaign for Crown

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Heavy armor base defense this time

ocean sphinx
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probably need a unit that combined marci and naga s1s to have a more solid spot

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marci for very consistent heals on crown regardless of dmg the team has taken, and then some other form of dmg boost like core dmg

restive palm
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maybe cinderella the new Naga x marci fusion B3

lone notch
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wait for chime with stable heal and cdr CopiumAnimated

winter folio
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u guys really serious about Naga not healing Crown

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And really want to nerf Crown's HP down

balmy mortar
winter folio
lone notch
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what the fuck is 603 sync

balmy mortar
gentle sentinel
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Meanwhile this one Japanese guy is lv 700 and max core

lone notch
gentle sentinel
agile beacon
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I had to beat a stage using SBS, Alice, Modernia, Crown, Liter

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So I think my conclusion is going to be, Crown is a Swiss Army knife

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She goes into whatever comp you need to win with for campaign

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There won’t be a perfect 1 comp to run with forever

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That and ShiftUp devs are pure evil

ocean sphinx
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BlancStare that means she's flexible af, and so SSSS tier

elfin burrow
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I've been trying to put together a good auto team for clearing normal campaign (so no hard mode manual shenanigans like RH B1)

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Might try pepper tbh just to see if it's cope or she's actually good with Crown

mortal quarry
#

don't use peppa in campaign with crown

elfin burrow
#

Guess I'll just use Liter as per usual

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Can't take Doro because I went all in on ATK rolls for her OL and now she steals Maxwell's buff lol

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Or is that because Crown S1 occurs first buffing her ATK MedeaThink

mortal quarry
#

a lot of guys had the same issue
dude in here had liter of all things stealing carrots and mw buff

soft loom
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4 OL gears: Crit rate/dmg, DEF, Charge speed and Hit rate.

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My luck went all into Crown's banner it seems...

elfin burrow
#

Against other elements though her damage seems ok at best

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Still a support at the end of the day

mortal quarry
#

she has great damage for a pure support though

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wish moron shot as hard as her

elfin burrow
#

It's decent to have, in terms of her normal attacks I'm just more excited to havea MG support - I still don't have Modernia so stages with those enemies can fuck me hard

soft loom
#

Crown to her teammates: "I'm giving you all support."
Slam the whole castle onto them
Crown smirks

agile beacon
# elfin burrow Who is your B1? RH?

My team was Crown, Liter, RH, Modernia, Marciana when heavy healing was needed. Edge of beatable content… Like 5-8 gas raptures beating up your team.

Otherwise, I used Rapunzel or Naga instead of Marciana. All these three came in clutch for me depending on stage. Only Naga was 10/10/10, the other flexes were 4/4/1 or 4/4/4.

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I’m finally stuck

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They threw another 5-8 gas raptures base defense at me and I’m at 33% deficit. Can’t win, tried

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Turns out I’ve been calculating deficit wrong

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Corrected it and no wonder I was losing out. 49.6% kekw

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… also means my other deficit calculations were wrong, they all underestimated kekw

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Time to idle game harder

sinful aurora
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not sure if you know

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but Red won't gain more than 1 stack by bursting B1 B2 B3

visual wasp
sinful aurora
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this is 1 stack S1, probably round up/down somewhere leading to 2k dmg diff

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but it's very small

agile beacon
#

T-Rix can you show me how to calculate deficit? I’m too tired and I think my head’s on backwards

sinful aurora
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2 stacks S1 will be 2m3

agile beacon
#

Team Power divided by Stage Power?

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Stage Power divided by Team Power?

sinful aurora
#

Deficit = 1 - Team Power/Requirement

visual wasp
sinful aurora
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already counted that

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don't you see "Crown's ATK"?

visual wasp
#

i cant read apparently

agile beacon
#

1 - 941,542 / 1,408,725 = 0.33163534.

33%

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Okay so it was actually 33% and I just confused myself for no reason

ocean sphinx
agile beacon
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Crown’s? Yes

ocean sphinx
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so if rh bursts once, does she get both?

agile beacon
#

I doubt it

sinful aurora
#

no

agile beacon
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It’s only checking if someone DID a burst

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If yes, give ATK

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If no, give DEF

ocean sphinx
#

oh ok

sinful aurora
#

this is eh, may be the team to deal with Bronchus

ocean sphinx
#

so nothing special with rh at all

agile beacon
#

Doesn’t matter if the unit had 9 other possible bursts the team ignored at the time

sinful aurora
#

Blanc 39% dmg will make up for 36% dmg up of Crown

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while providing heal

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to proc Crown S2

ocean sphinx
#

DoroThink dps where

sinful aurora
#

downside is very obvious

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Alice / Red has to carry the shit out of this team

ocean sphinx
#

rouge will save the blanc thumbsupanis

sinful aurora
#

it's a team to deal with Bronchus/Heavy heal required

agile beacon
#

I wouldn’t have the damage to kill the gas raptures fast enough, I bet

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Either I’d be too slow on first 2, then try to Red Hood burst 2-5 at once

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Or I’d be fast enough on first 2, then too slow on the next 3

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RIP

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They even added an extra high HP 3rd gas rapture for no reason

elfin burrow
agile beacon
#

Like, 2 are minibosses (Subtargets)

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But the 3rd one in the same dropped pack… is a regular Soldier

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And has more hp than the minibosses kekw

sinful aurora
#

60s

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it will be

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Blanc Crown Crown Blanc

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not Blanc Crown Blanc

elfin burrow
#

Yeah, assuming you need to burst four times

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I figured by then you're either dead or won

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Also on red not getting multiple stacks: does this mean it's better to use her B1 with the other DPS's burst instead of doubling up with RH->Crown->RH?

agile beacon
#

RH dmg is relatively weak when she’s not bursting

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Also there’s a CD issue

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If RH ever does her B3, she has a CD ongoing which blocks her B1

elfin burrow
#

This would likely be opening with RH->Crown->B3

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To then do B1->Crown->RH

agile beacon
#

Lately I’ve had to use RH B1 second, or even third

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So first cycle doesn’t use RH B1

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Oh

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I think I understand your point now

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I say it doesn’t matter

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You’re talking about giving Defender’s ATK buff to a B1

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What does it matter if the Liter missed out on one cycle?

elfin burrow
#

My point was just that it we use RH with other B3, both get the Crown buff

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Maximising Crown S1

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And whether that's worth sacrificing RH buffing her own burst to nuke the boss

agile beacon
#

Oh

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Yeah, probably still not worth because Red Hood’s B3 is just too good

elfin burrow
#

With the logic that an off-burst RH will do more damage than Liter

agile beacon
#

It’s very situational though, so hard to say what would be the tipping point for someone beating a stage

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As for raid bosses, basically if there’s one part on the boss, most likely RH is going to hog her own B1 for her B3

elfin burrow
#

Would have to test to see how much damage loss from giving RH B1 to e.g. Alice instead

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And how much gained by giving off burst RH crown S1

cursive coral
#

not sure which Nikke to use for last , i have Rapunzel and Naga , i might switch Moderina with Rose scarlet

tardy heart
#

Max

elfin burrow
#

I'd default Naga and swap for Rapunzel if dying quickly

cursive coral
elfin burrow
#

Max Naga S1 first if you haven't

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Damage > Healing when it comes to skill investment

cursive coral
elfin burrow
#

Ahhhh

cursive coral
#

almost MLB

elfin burrow
#

I'd say 4/4/1 then focus on raising S1

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Most of the time you'll kill enemies fast enough you don't need healing/at high deficits many enemies 1-shot anyway

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Since you don't have Tia you'll only run her with Crown so burst is irrelevant and can stay LVL 1

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I guess can boost to 4 just for the CP if pushing story

cursive coral
twin panther
#

crown itself is better than bunny duo as a buffer

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fyi

elfin burrow
#

Yeah a Crown of equal skill & equipment will do better than bunnies

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Add Naga for core damage buffs and watch your damage explode

cursive coral
#

with lvl 1 naga skills

winter onyx
#

I overload her T_T, can we make petition to request gear reset.

twin panther
#

its a naga bug

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just upvote the bug report and hope for a naga fix

elfin burrow
#

I'll be honest even with the bug I think OL is worth

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You're rarely at max HP if running Naga as only healer

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It feels a lot like a shooting range exclusive issue

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Where damage matters but enemies barely attack you

ocean sphinx
#

yeah it's not that big of a deal

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but they should still fix

royal heath
#

you guys need to calm the fuck down on the bricking and dooming of crown investment

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the bug lies on naga's heal alone

winter onyx
elfin burrow
#

OL meanwhile let's Crown last longer before she does, which is of more importance

royal heath
#

crown BY HERSELF can have nearly 50% uptime on her S2 21% attack damage buff

twin panther
#

except naga

ocean sphinx
#

naga bug is what's keeping me from trying for more crown copies

elfin burrow
royal heath
#

it's not the end of the god dam world if you don't have 100% uptime thanks to naga heals

ocean sphinx
#

gonna sit at lb0 until they fix it Doro

#

they giving me reason to not pull, I appreciate that

elfin burrow
#

Lowest HP% yeah

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Anyway the youtubers are scaremongering

royal heath
#

but yeah all these people falling for the youtuber clickbaiting title of BRICKING deadge

elfin burrow
#

Slightly more S2 uptime when you're already doing well (no damage) is not worth a squishy Crown

royal heath
#

you know what's bricking? not rolling for a limited nikke that is meta which luckily they haven't made any limited super broken

ocean sphinx
#

once the whales start complaining, it'll get fixed

twin panther
#

tbh its yt meta

ocean sphinx
#

I expect a fix like next week when they release crown gacha

elfin burrow
#

It's shooting range meta

twin panther
#

its viewers fault just getting baited on titles

elfin burrow
#

In actual gameplay it only affects the first 10 seconds before the team starts taking damage

twin panther
#

also meme shitposts helps

ocean sphinx
#

crown gives no buffs until she bursts, unlike tia

winter onyx
cursive coral
#

if i am using Crown with RH and Rose Scarlet , should i switch from Reload cube ?

ocean sphinx
#

so having atk dmg buff before first burst is nice, unless you just spam burst gen

#

also it's good for fights where the only hits you'll take are 1 shots hmmz

elfin burrow
#

So imo even with bug OL/dupe Crown is worth it

ocean sphinx
#

main reason to OL/dupe is for cp stacking imo

#

otherwise just better to try for lowest hp

elfin burrow
#

Nah she takes a lot of damage in the half second after her taunt ends

#

It's a real issue

royal heath
#

honestly if it weren't for the free pulls I would have MCB'd her already deadge

ocean sphinx
royal heath
#

need to wait to see if I get evenly remotely lucky

twin panther
ocean sphinx
#

but if they don't, now crown gets reliable heals for a while kekw

twin panther
#

smh

royal heath
#

unlike most people spamming their gold mileage at the drop of a hat

#

I was super stingy with mine and when crown leaks came out waay back last year

#

I hard commited to saving up for MCB

winter onyx
royal heath
#

I doubt I will get even 1 dupe from the pulls but hey you never know

ocean sphinx
#

just to make sure, crown s1 doesn't buff b3 nukes like scarlet right?

twin panther
#

it should right

royal heath
twin panther
#

wait scar doesn't also get the full burst damage buff

#

man, no wonder she is midlet

royal heath
#

instant nuke bursts don't get full burst condition buffs

twin panther
#

am I mixing it with another thing but does 2b get the full burst damage

royal heath
#

pretty sure her main burst doesn't no idea on the 2nd nuke part

balmy mortar
elfin burrow
ocean sphinx
elfin burrow
#

The 15 seconds duration is insane

tranquil girder
#

pull for dupes?

ocean sphinx
#

was just curious bc it seems like crown s1 triggers before typical full burst buffs

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so was wondering if it's early enough to buff scar nuke copege

elfin burrow
#

It does seem to fuck up Maxwell/Alice lol

royal heath
#

should be easy to test that no?

elfin burrow
#

I think that might be from 15s duration tho

royal heath
#

just run1 comp with crown and 2nd comp with no crown

elfin burrow
#

Not from it triggering first, but at time of Maxwell calc, Liter still having the previous buff

ocean sphinx
#

ik crown s1 triggers before both maxwell and alice buffs

#

I'm the guy whose liter keeps stealing buffs hmmz

royal heath
#

LMAO

elfin burrow
ocean sphinx
#

doesn't matter position either

elfin burrow
#

Or is it only second onward from buff remaining

ocean sphinx
#

yeah

#

I checked the buffs a second after first burst

#

liter always steals it from my bscar, who isn't bursting

elfin burrow
#

Oh wow, amazing

ocean sphinx
#

doesn't matter if crown in p1, mw/alice in p5, or flipped

elfin burrow
#

I have same issue but assumed it was just short burst cycle rip

royal heath
#

I should check if my liter is capable of stealing 2 highest attack buffs kekw

elfin burrow
#

With Crown ATK she likely can

sinful aurora
#

exactly 36.24%

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Crown S1 doesn't apply here

#

I guess all B3 nuke is B3

royal heath
#

thanks gatrix

sinful aurora
#

and happens BEFORE Full Burst

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while Maxwell S1, Crown S1 is "Full Burst"

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so they happen AFTER Scar Nuke

elfin burrow
#

Well, Maxwell/SW/Emilia can benefit from Crown S1 lol

sinful aurora
#

they overlap Full Burst time

royal heath
#

yeah as long as they're not instant nuke B3s

elfin burrow
#

Summer Anis

royal heath
#

it's instant nuke B3s that get shafted hard

sinful aurora
#

Scarlet burst happens immediately so it happens before FB

#

even with slight delay like Kilo

#

it's still "before" FB

#

only 2B and Guillo are delay enough

royal heath
#

oh is 2B's actually delayed enough BlancStare

sinful aurora
#

the 2nd part

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the first part nah

royal heath
#

ah okay the 2nd part kekw

elfin burrow
#

Honestly considering swapping out my Maxwell now that my B1 keeps stealing her buff

royal heath
#

I guess in a way that does mean most instant nuke B3s will never really become meta unless they do more DPS outside of that nuke

elfin burrow
#

AoE nuke B3 basically exist for the capture/protect stages anyway

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Otherwise you just target boss and nuke them with single target dps

twin panther
#

and when you think about it best aoe nuke for campaign is still a2 or something like that

elfin burrow
#

Scarlet probably not a good combo with Crown since she'll keep stealing heals / will die easily huh

ocean sphinx
sinful aurora
ocean sphinx
#

this buff stealing might actually be more helpful

sinful aurora
#

if the nuke is VERY DELAY

ocean sphinx
#

it should guarantee whoever is bursting gets the buff

sinful aurora
#

like

#

super duper delay

#

will it gain Full Burst bonus?

ocean sphinx
#

so if you run bscar alice mod, with mod and bscar highest atk

#

crown should make sure alice steals buff whenever alice is bursting

#

when normally she'll never get buff

sinful aurora
#

Alice burst has own 50% ATK

#

I don't know if carrot can be stolen

ocean sphinx
#

oh right

#

maxwell then

royal heath
#

yeah luckily alice and SBS have attack buff on their burst

sinful aurora
#

anyway, the highest delay nuke I've seen

#

is Yulha burst

royal heath
#

so they 100% for sure get the highest attack buffs

sinful aurora
#

2.01s delay

ocean sphinx
#

I can test with my maxwell

sinful aurora
#

and it still doesn't have full burst bonus

#

I guess it snapshots the moment before FB

royal heath
#

yeah I assume it snapshots

sinful aurora
#

I even tested the normal shot

#

it's increased by FB

#

but the nuke isn't

royal heath
#

yeah so I guess dorothy's burst is a good way to see what bypasses the snapshotting for instant burst damage

elfin burrow
#

I don't think it's worth

ocean sphinx
#

yeah it works for maxwell, with crown she steals buff when she's bursting

#

I mean, if you wanna use maxwell to burst, but running 2 other higher atk dps for some reason, crown makes sure maxwell always gets her own buff on the snipe hmmz

#

pretty niche situation tbh

elfin burrow
#

Crown stocks will really skyrocket when we get a Def-scaling DPS to replace Modernia

#

Or an attacker Nikke with a .5 burst

worthy coral
twin panther
#

b3 hold dps nikke

#

will be the 2nd anni powercreep

#

mark my words

ocean sphinx
#

oh yeah my liter easily steals buffs, even with lvl 7 crown s1 deadpanda

#

don't think I can ever prevent it

#

crown makes my liter atk go from 38.7k to 54.5k

#

my two dps have 46-48k atk

elfin burrow
#

Yeah I'm thinking in gonna just run Crown/Naga/Liter/RH/B3 who isn't Maxwell or Alice

#

B1 stealing buff feels bad

#

Liter probably stealing Naga S2 as well lol

ocean sphinx
#

oh god, liter is gonna steal mod buff when bscar is bursting

elfin burrow
#

Swap to Doro for better B1 damage? Lol

ocean sphinx
#

that'll actually hurt, since mod does great off-burst dmg

elfin burrow
#

Maxwell and Alice low-key bad synergy for Crown

#

Naga S2 as well

#

Dunno if there's any way to avoid it

ocean sphinx
elfin burrow
#

Other than RH->Crown->other B3

ocean sphinx
#

with rh, might be possible

#

at least for like 2-3 rotations

elfin burrow
#

Yeah could abandon RH as a B3 entirely and aim for two rotation clears

#

RH->Crown->Modernia then RH->Crown->Alice or something

ocean sphinx
#

1st rotation: Liter Crown Mod (RH loses buffs, no big deal)
2nd rotation: RH Crown RH (Mod keeps buffs)

#

third rotation should be fine too

elfin burrow
#

Is this taking Maxwell, Alice, or Naga for the buffs?

ocean sphinx
#

naga, but should apply to maxwell or alice flex too

elfin burrow
ocean sphinx
#

just making sure that whenever liter bursts, mod also bursts

#

should work for like 2-3 rotations depending on whose burst you wanna use first

elfin burrow
#

There is a cursed alternative

sinful aurora
elfin burrow
#

Manual Naga to trigger it right before bursting

sinful aurora
#

is there anyway to speed up SI

elfin burrow
ocean sphinx
#

ig it's mostly a mod problem anyway, since the other dps don't do much outside of burst

elfin burrow
#

If we fully invest Crown will she steal over Liter?

ocean sphinx
elfin burrow
#

Crown dps probably not far off an off-burst B3

ocean sphinx
#

if you can get her atk higher, then sure

#

I don't think I have a chance at that for my acc

#

my liter is core 2 wahahaha

#

crown is lb0, and highest I'll go is mlb

elfin burrow
#

Just make sure Liter has no ATK lines

#

And Crown does

ocean sphinx
#

oh yeah atk lines

#

DoroThink maybe

elfin burrow
#

Core 2 is only +12% right?

#

Plus bond

ocean sphinx
#

keeping crown low invest rn until they fix naga

elfin burrow
#

Let's say +14%

#

About three ATK lines might push your Crown over

#

Oh wait

#

Defender vs support

ocean sphinx
elfin burrow
#

Forget bricking your crown

#

Don't raise your Liter headpiece or you'll brick her crown comps medeaheh

ocean sphinx
#

what would a RH/Crown/Mod/Bscar/Naga rotation look like DoroThink

ocean sphinx
elfin burrow
#

2 cycle max
RH->Crown->Mod
RH->Crown->Bscar

ocean sphinx
#

so mod loses buff second rotation to rh

elfin burrow
#

I mean alternative is making mod burst for nuking boss which ...

#

You can't B3 with RH against boss unless you have a B1

ocean sphinx
#

well in that setup, at least with crown you make sure whoever is bursting gets flex slot buff

#

eh, ig it's not that big of a deal in most campaign cases, if you just run liter crown mod rh flex

#

if you don't use mod, not even an issue at all

elfin burrow
#

I think answer is keep Liter headpiece at OL1

#

And run something like the above

#

Accepting that when bursting with RH, Crown will get Naga's S2 /Maxwell/Alice buff instead of mod

#

Or are there any good B3 with large enough self ATK buffs to bypass Crown's

ocean sphinx
#

alice and bscar when they're bursting

elfin burrow
#

Modernia gives herself an ATK buff she might be fine after first cycle actually

ocean sphinx
#

xlud as well

#

oh? oh yeah forgot mod self buffs

#

yeah like 30%

#

should be perma if you got hit rate roll

#

lemme actually test it

#

and see if liter can steal

#

yeah if you charge your first burst fast enough, liter can steal from mod

#

but if slow enough, mod s2 kicks in and she keeps it

#

or second rotation onwards

#

how many seconds does it take for a MG to do 200 shots from start of battle?

elfin burrow
#

Or is damage taken and damage dealt separate?

ocean sphinx
#

iirc they're separate

#

honestly mod should be fine if it's naga flex, since she rebuffs every 5 shots

#

so liter might steal the first one maybe, but the future ones mod will get

#

maxwell and alice buffs mod might lose if she doesn't burst first rotation

#

yeah I think in general it's fine

elfin burrow
ocean sphinx
elfin burrow
#

Oh Mod self atk

ocean sphinx
#

yeah

#

once it kicks in liter has no chance

#

another reason to keep hit rate roll on mod wahahaha

#

to make sure she never loses that buff

elfin burrow
#

Non issue then

ocean sphinx
#

well somehow things sorted themselves out, glad it wasn't a big deal

small bloom
#

Does Helm also proc her s2?

ocean sphinx
#

needs to burst again to reproc

#

so not very consistent

mortal quarry
#

delete other weapons other than mg and change all nikkes to mg Doro

hardy forge
#

Soo, is OLed crowns mean my crown naga comp is cooked

wooden raptor
worthy coral
#

🅱️

pallid fiber
#

Guys, how important are dupes for Crown? Because her ATK buff doesn't depend on her stats, right?

slender tulip
#

her S1 buff depends on her own stats

limber trout
#

mid

slender tulip
#

but people are going nuts right now cuz Naga heal targeting is bugged so "DO NOT LIMIT BREAK OR YOU BRICK YOUR TEAM" kekwwa

limber trout
#

ez skip

pallid fiber
sleek anchor
#

So would it be recommended to go liter crown naga alice red hood?

#

Over tia lit nag rh alice?

#

And if so, should i spend mileage to mlb crown?

clever sand
#

B tier PvP skip

normal grail
#

Did i brick my crown if i OL

#

Nikke gg saying dont OL

thorn dagger
twin panther
#

wow I can't belive prydwen is this washed. They really put a b2 pilgrim buffer meta unit into b tier

#

smh

thorn dagger
twin panther
#

I hope someone unironically complains about the B tier on there

thorn dagger
#

Idk what the dmg ratio is for MLB and no OL/No gear to No MLB and OL gear. I haven’t seen anyone test that. But my guess is no MLB is stronger

twin panther
#

it would be take two of sbs one

quartz pond
#

The comp with Naga will still work even if you have dupes

#

You'll just miss out on some damage if Crown doesn't take any hits

#

Not like the team is suddenly bad kek

twin panther
#

even in the case of 0 heals on crown

#

that comp has better stats compared to any other team

winter onyx
clever sand
#

Wow with crown even modernia and xlud outdmg RH

thorn dagger
#

Crowns abilities do seem pointless in pvp. Her shield or dmg jus won’t cut it in pvp

twin panther
worthy coral
twin panther
#

remember when sbs was in SS tier for late story and commenters lost their mind

limber trout
limber trout
#

She was always S

#

And she will stay there

twin panther
#

wait it was S

#

I swear she was SS

#

wait let me see my stash

limber trout
reef field
twin panther
#

is she better than blanc damage taken in here

#

any mathers

reef field
#

defender so biscuit synergy

#

taunt

#

immortality

#

good buffs

#

just held back by mg

twin panther
#

more like 30 fps locked pvp

calm cosmos
#

What substats are good for crown?

reef field
soft loom
#

"The Gatling Lance
Let's first start with her special targeting system. Crown, unlike other combatants, has the ability to sense enemies that have "camouflage". These are raptures that cannot be normally targeted by non-manually controlled units. In other words, in order to hit them, you must manual your unit. Thankfully, this is not the case with Crown. She is able to "see through" this camouflage and can automatically assault these key targets, making it easier to coordinate attacks in a semi-piloted environment."
Is this state anywhere in her profile inside the game?

hoary adder
soft loom
#

Other NIKKE: "It's not fair" SyuenCry

quartz pond
thorn dagger
#

Wonder why now all of a sudden they make it to where a NIKKE can auto target those type of raptures. Just to give more meat into her kit or is this going to be important in future boss fights

twin panther
#

I hope it won't be a real mech in bosses

mellow phoenix
#

It is the mech in this solo raid

limber trout
#

Crown SW Redhood Maxwell elegg

#

One spot left

#

Tia?

twin panther
#

where are you fitting sw then

#

its a sw 1 shot team

limber trout
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One shot team

twin panther
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I replaced blanc already

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crown did better

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with 20 sec cd

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what a joke

limber trout
twin panther
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I have to build my elegg too

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I pulled her back then but I don't remember if she was any good

limber trout
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If any newbie is worried about naga

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Watch skyjlv latest vid

mortal quarry
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the bricked fiasco is overblown deadge

severe yew
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just wait for another unit to heal like rapunzel with CDR and a little buff here and there