#[Rem] New Unit Megathread
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My man reacts with "
YOU DIDNT SPEND 600 ROCKS FOR BIS ROLLS??????????"
Even crit might be better
Happens literally every time I post something without bis rolls
Well not that much
you're blocked now just fyi so dont bother replying to me
Atk not good in OL too or only buffs ??
Can just say you dont have rocks or whatever and Id say nothing
Which crit stat do you think would be better?
More rate to close in on 100% with Volume or damage?

Need to update sticky if atk not good :/
Atk in OL is the lowest in priority. Ammo > ele > atk (probably).
Least I didn't reroll for atk specifically
Guess the crit atk piece is getting rerolled
I feel like Ele should be highest
If run with Priv, Max Ammo isn't necessary to keep stacks
She already has 2.26x herself
Adding 0.05x-0.1x to that wont do shit
ELE multiplies that by 1.25x potentially
how many ammo req to shoot 10s during full burst without reload?
One makes that 2.35x, one makes that 2.8x.
But ammo always takes the lead
Thats just how MGs work
Just call him baldsenix no need to madge
what's the skill prio for rem?

oh, my bad, thx
Who is cooking?
JKs need a water unit
Does she powercreep someone I meta or nah?
Would Dorothy go there or are we shoving Emilia or X Lud there 
Kira cooked her outdamaging S Anis and Scarlet

Link me his test pls
doro team is always changing xD
Yeah, big difference between humans and whales
I feel ya
Level 6 dispatch 
Mmmm 10/4/7 I like it
can anyone test if rem can get s1 stacks off burst w pepper/xmica?

isn't it basic meth?
- You have 10s off burst S1
- 4s later, you burst Pepper
- Your S1 refreshes, have 10s duration
- Full burst ends, so does your S1
For Xmica case
- 150 boolets ~ 7.5s
- Reload is 2s
=> 9.5s total, so yeah, Rem can do a non burst here
yea but let’s say rem has 0 stacks and pepper burst
will rem gain 1 stack of s1 even if she’s not on burst mode yet
meh idk why I thought of cooking pepper/xmica with rem. volume seems to be the best bet
doro priv feels awkward with priv cutting rem’s ammo by 150+
Resilience Rem
I don't think you can't use that instant reload trick with rem?
won't, need a lot reload for that
Priv + Resi = 70% I think?
or 80%
your reload will be shorter than cool down so you won't wind up
you can’t, insta reload is for electro units with ass+priv+resil
and if you use rem with doro priv, then no biscuit/elegg
so yep, just volume
d-alt clashes with rem (pierce sniper vs rl support)
liter has to babysit jk/bunnies
thats why u need a decent amount of max ammo
volume rem weakness is no ammo support for rem
ideal world wud actually have her in doro priv imo
biscuit benched?
it depends lol
if theres parts to splash on
machine guns basically function the best with ammo support
ammo support = max ammo buffs (OL lines, xmica), refill magazine (noir), reload speed (privaty)
its why you see modernia almost exclusively paired with noir
and guillotine with s.anis in her old comps
Base crit rate = 15%
Rem Burst from Crit = 37.8%
Volume Burst lvl 10= 31.59%
Helm s1 lvl 10= 14.64%
99.03% Crit rate
diesel off burst with rem 

shift up also noticed this when designing xlud, put refill on her s1 and reload speed on her burst
diesel s2 at 10 was old tech to achieve infinite ammo which was an extreme version of ammo support
problem was diesel has no dmg buffs
diesel treasure 

Yeah, I personally want that taunt to be longer...at at least heal off bigger pp numbers too

So she can tank train shots on high deficit
well by the time that happens
u dont need to tank train
u shud be able to one shot

True
can’t really slot in diesel+treasure with existing b1 cdr’s. too much b2 competition
first treasure is in 2 months?

so 0 cdr team or off burst b2 cdr
it is possible if a SR boss just does way too much
volume + treasure diesel is viable
anyway there should still be hope for rem+a2 despite the shitty healing distribution?

yesn't
quintuple cleave surely
volume rem a2 emilia xmica 
xmica there is dmg loss
rather get a 3rd dps in there
thats why the comp im hoping materializes is with doro rem b3 b3 priv 
sneon 
and see if she can just barely keep guillo low enuf
I already leveled her s2 to 7
so dum
Late response but realised my math was fucked.
7->10 is a 16.6% increase in healing, not 10%.
So.... Slightly better.
Pretty notable but not enough to be a huge difference
Yeah
Though ATK not that big a boost to Rem, it still reliably increases her damage. Rem’s high crit rate is only when Rem bursts, but it’s up often. Crit dmg does sound like it’d be better.
Ammo & Ele indisputably best OL effects for her, then the rest is probably best treated as “whatever, if they show up they show up”
Probably not wise to reject having Ele over Atk on Rem even if you plan to use her on everything not related to counter element
Because ShiftUp trend has been to start throwing a need for counter elements at us
Things like stopping kamikaze raptures that need counter elements to destroy them
Slowly and surely this is evolving into veteran accounts wanting 1 of each element in every slot that serves a great role, until they have 5 full element choices to draw from
Not that it’s news news, most of us saw this coming a mile away back for months now
water weak or electric weak?
Try neutral
still kinda crazy xd... scarlet is core 2
and the 2 elec units buff themselves
well sanis does
No
Nonono
In reality it doesbt work
Buff: perma taunt
Yeah, perfect
me too xD
Amount of heal is equal to the half of total damage taken

any updates if ren is as good or not as good as we thougth before i got her yesterday?
- Best B2 DPS in the game
- Healing is acceptable
- RL buff is good but no meta RL who want it
TL;DR Roll her and replace Marciana to lose some healing but gain a fuck tonne of damage
should I raise rem skills first than emilia
which costume has the worst rem arms?
Any good for rem? Is 3rd line attack even worth locking for her?
Worth locking or nah?
2 stones per reroll afterwards seems steep
Her s1 already stacks so much attack
More atk does make MG units much more effective
Yeah, but ammo is the best for her
still, it's a decent roll on 3rd line. imo keep it
Ok
Lock atk and reroll
isn't atk mid for rem since she has a lot of atk buff already ?
Yes
But what else would you get?
Ammo > Ele > Whatever is pretty apt
And if you got Ammo + Atk, are you going to burn a rock to reroll it more?
Up to you but I’d probably keep it and walk away 
hmm got it
Got a black Crit Rate roll on one of my pieces, so probably just going to hang onto that 
My rolls weren’t good, I’m sad 
- Hit Rate
- Max Ammo
-
-
- Max Ammo
-
- Charge Speed
-
- Charge Dmg
- Max Ammo
- Atk (BLACK)
-
- Ele (BLUE)
- Crit Dmg
- Charge Dmg
Aw, this format isn’t nice looking
Better
Tried something and I hated it, screenshots better
Much better rolls than what I have currently 
I had hit a streak of like 9 rolls where it kept giving me RL/SR related stuff or hit rate
With nothing else useful…
RIP rocks
Down to 19, saving mode for next great thing™️
I have this atm:
- Crit Rate (Black)
- Element
- ATK
- Charge Damage
- Max Ammo
- ATK
Neat, was it a challenging stage before you used Rem?
Yeah, I'm about to have progressed an entire chapter using Rem 
idk,didn't test the stage using other nikkes 
It's not wall stage and the sync very high for chapter 16. Not really good test imo
ofc its not gonna work to any "defense" stage
rh as b1 only work to fast/normal stage
I tried to convert Rem healing as "life steal"
she has kinda like marciana life steal

so I think she's fine
except Guillo hates her

What are those percents in the red and green rows for each character?
Explosive heal means the value you will gain during the heal is active
for example, Helm during her burst has 54% lifesteal
which is insane right
but during 180s, you only have 1/3 time having that heal
so averagely, it's 18%
explosive heal decides whether you can tank the boss burst
avg heal means you can heal back during boss "rests"
Oh, Exp Heal is Explosive Heal and it's the Expected Heal or Face Value Heal, okay
Snow White with 100% 
note that this "life steal" is dynamic. I put the best case for Rem
- Ele check
- Best OL
In reality, Snow White can only make use of the 1/8 column right?
ah that 1/8 is from here
depend on number of RL from your team, but 1/6 is more practical
So Snow White will be 16.81% avg heal in reality, only
Oh
22.41%
Eww, Privaty at 4.16%?
Wait why is Snow White dramatically higher?
Snow White shoots pea with her peashooter
do you forget that 80% dmg of Snow is from her burst?
Are you saying damage dealt by the squadmates matter in being healed by Rem?
Oh this is a work in progress
You're using Marciana calculations
It's still thinking the units have to deal damage, not Rem have to deal damage
You have a lot of fun work to do on that spreadsheet 
the concept is like this
- Heal per sec of Rem.
- Dmg per sec of those comparison characters
- Heal of rem / dmg per sec of character = Life steal expected
Nvm got the answer
Pepper B1 does stack/refresh duration of the stacks, making it super consistent (won't be screwed by bad timing rem reload)
Wait... you're really saying Rem's shared healing causes squadmates to have to deal damage to be healed?
will need to bring someone like dolla for the cdr though
I don't think that's correct?
urghh no
you can think of these % here as "life steal" provide by Fake Helm
or Fake Marciana
then look up the "real" Marciana
So how much they'd be healing themselves if Helm/Marc were on the team
to see the "level" of lifesteal
as opposed to how much Rem heals them?
Oh
most of the time, Rem < Helm
So basis for comparison using Marc or Helm, I see
but Rem seems to ~ Marciana
He converted rem into helm burst basically
Yup
yeah, lifesteal is more complicated than my previous healing sheet
Did you factor in Helm's 40s cd while Rem's having 20s cd?
yep, that's why "Average Heal" exists
- Explosive Heal: Decide whether you can face tank boss attacks or not, especially chip dmg
- Avg heal: The amount of heal you will gain, through 180s
because Helm burst is 40s, so 1/3 uptime
Rem burst is 20s, aka 2/3 uptime
delete redundant data to make it less oppressive
2/7 is if 1 RL and 1 Rem, right?
Looks good, seems RL is the way to go, otherwise just Rem by herself and not counting on her healing to save anyone's ass on short notice
because dmg is dynamic (depend on team, ele, skill lv), so Rem "lifesteal conversion" may vary depend on my input
for example, this is S2 Lv 10. I will lower it to lv 4 to see the loss

then without ele check
etc...
Boss turns invulnerable, requires Fire Code to deal damage to it
Boss invulnerable phase lasts 10 seconds
Squad takes constant heavy AoE damage
RIP Rem healing 
this just means, you can kinda "expect" her heal to a certain level, compared to other "lifesteal" givers (Marci, Helm)
This kind of thing can still happen, as well, anything which screws with Rem dmg uptime
yep
It feels false that rem > Marciana for scarlet
Rem deals 0 dmg = 0 heal
Are you sure?
Scarlet has no team
but I doubt it matters

Scarlet doesn't scale well with team anyway, except bunnies
Yeah but if you just want to have a passive DPS in 1-1-3
in this situation, she has ele check
so she deals double Scarlet dmg
that's why her "lifesteal" looks double too
Explosive heal comparison:
Marciana lvl4: 7.96%
Rem s2 lvl10: 11.74%
I'm not sure about this
Oh so if rem has ele advantage with core hits, this is the case?
What if you remove one of ele advantage and core hits
this value is lower
Rem's value is lower
But Marciana is still the same
At the very least, can you send heal without core?
this is without core
So we can match it with nihilister
Hmm that's good then ig
this is when I remove 1 line of ele
She can keep scarlet alive
lose about 4%
Remove all ele but turn on core higs
This makes sense, kinda
emilia value is extremely low because I expect her to deal x5 dmg this raid
So rem s2 lvl10 is a must I guess?
against Blacksmith

wait Bsmith has core
Bsmith but no core

dunno about that, I need to index her value first
but yeah, at lv max, she can roughly heal like Marciana if raid is fire
which is nice
Damn, 10/10/10 unit basically lol
Good thing I did that. 
ngon ko ae
Edited skill recs
What do you use to determine the Rem damage dealt?
What if the Rem is doing much less, or much more, damage per hit contrary to the sheet?
then the "lifesteal" conversion changes, also
Like here the heal is 490,419 in Avg Heal. How was this 490,419 determined?
dmg per bullet x 60
dmg is during her burst
come to think of it, the 1/3 and 1/2 gotta be non burst version

So it’s calculated with the assumption Rem has 30 stacks of atk buff and resulted in healing for this total value over the entire battle?
yeah, 30 stacks averagely (first 10s ramp up + 170s with 30 stacks)
How accurate is this total value, I mean.. if I copied the Rem mirrored in the sheet and shot the same enemy you’re reflecting in the sheet, I’d actually arrive at around 490k healed for a single RL?
Perfect stats
Hold my beer, let me pull out my 1,000 rocks and get these
Okay… so uh, how about turning off OLs? 👀
Same with Helm and Marciana
Nice, 2/3 less work for you 
I’ve been using the screenshots, 
oh well, sc it is
I do understand so far
cuz I see that "removing OL" for Helm and Marci
Just concerned whether the heals listed reflect reality for most of us who can’t get 1 good OL roll to save our lives
I think we are in different road
practically, this is what you will get with no ele roll
.
ammo doesn't affect the heal per sec, only ATK is
oh well, 58% atk may affect it too
Example, let’s say Rem has no dmg gains and just pure Ammo. Then her dmg dealt would be way less than what you show.. especially if the player has 0% ele rolls or - even if they had it - were using it against a non-weak target
let me remove both ATK and ele
Ammo would affect it since it affects how quickly she gets max stacks 
Indeed but ultimately the main advice to everybody is ammo, so we’re likely to see more getting ammo than not
which S2 lv do you want?
I’m also concerned about where this damage number is coming from, like.. who’s the target being shot?
4/7/10?
7 should be good
a solo raid boss with 30k def
I mean 10’s also fine but since you asked, why not 7
Then we can find out if Rem heals are an impossible copium
no ele, no ATK
…
boss is fire

Of course my alt gets better rolls than my main 
Seems like Rem really, really needs every dmg gain advantage she can get
solo heal Rem is stressful
At least it’s still higher avg than Marciana
Which means she can keep RLs alive, probably, if it’s not a burst heal that’s needed

Rem god
Yep she is
I’m partway there. X3 max ammo, x1 ed, x1 atk 
But I’m probably doomed to never reroll any of her gear again 
It’s why I hounded T-Swift a bit with adjusting his sheet to show more realistic results
Now I know I can’t embrace the dream of Rem the Healer all that seriously
RLs sure, maybe I’ll force Laplace to tank SR bosses with Rem healing her
Or Rem can do the tanking 
should i pull? i only have sbs , and no b2 or emilia , i dont have any tickets to pull , so Im running low on gems
From pins, #1219557066142777354 message
Despite the recent remarks about healing you may have seen just above, that’s healing
Rem is indisputably doing a lot of damage
do abnormal units ever come back? is there any change to get a2?
Rem is one of the units where if u dont get now u r bricked
Under 1% chance of a rerun
Bricked surely is an exaggeration, all ShiftUp has to do is release a few more good B2s 
planning to pull her , but only have 1 good rl unit
and emilia does not fully convice me
She can be used with 0 RL units
fixed
And if you have Laplace, she might become that good RL after treasure arrives
Actually its 50/50.
Either it happens or it doesnt
AKSHUALLY 
99% chance it happens.
It doesn’t happen? Blame your bad luck.

AYO
Is A2 a stable in Rem team? Or is she not used anymore?
Ban
Now she's out
I got max ammo and hit rate 
can I replace naga for rem? for b1 I would still use liter , so the buff to cover repair is covered , but would the drop of damage would be too much?
or does it all comes down to the scenario , weather when a sg becomes more useful than a mg
Rem god, now need 3 more rock to upgrade OL 
Ok yeah
Waiy
Wait
I may have trolled and misjudged some stuff
Well, I'm not 100% sure if I did but maybe
Skill recommendations:
Starting -> Min -> F2p -> High
1/1/1 -> 7/4/4 -> 10/4/7 -> 10/4/10
About S2:
S2 is Rem's healing ability.
The major part about S2 is that Rem's heal depends on her damage output. It is absolutely crucial to get good OL lines on her, especially Ammo + Elemental/Atk to boost her attack as much as possible.It is more worth it in my opinion to boost Rem's damage than to upgrade her Skill 2. Rem is the first nikke about which I would say, get dupes for Rem to get her to MLB to stabilise her heal.
If you lack dupes, you may upgrade s2 to lvl7 at best, otherwise do not upgrade it more than 4. The value increase per skill books required is not worth it in my opinion. So keep Rem's skill 2 at 4. It is better to upgrade her skill 1 and burst, and keep S2 at a low value. It is better to work on her OL gear than to upgrade her skill 2, due to how less S2 affects the overall heals.
Trust in her to heal herself and 1-2RLs who are paired with her, which should be more than enough to keep 2-3 units alive against a solo raid boss that targets "highest ATK".
It is probably for the best that Rem is not used without RL units, so that she may be able to heal 2-3 out of 5 units in a team
That said, I think it's also highly probable that liter is used for rem to give cover heal to the team 
Otherwise you'll have to use some mid nikke
I like 1\1\1
imma decide how much to invest in s2 after try SR
I don't have enuf boolets
People with low dupes/not good enuf ol might have to run healer with rem 
No joke
Good OL with core 7 would make a world of diff
Helm probably the ideal choice
Quiry finally meta!! /s 
do I need another healer with MLB rem
Get good OL rolls and I think it's sufficient with the 8% extra stats
That's 8% extra heals, should be enough I hope

good OL means higher ammo?
More ammo
More ele
More atk
Ammo > ele > atk
be big brain and just get higher lvl on s2 instead of sinking rolls on mlb
going from 4->10 is overall less effective probably?
I feel like that's the case
Or at the very least
7->10 is definitely boss damage dependant
Just roll with this take for now
Keep at 4, wait for TruRays / Enikk to show how good of Rem is needed
who’s trueray
How much of dmg different between MLB and C7? And can the gap be close by OL?
Going from 4->7 is a 20% increase in healing (30% damage to 36%)
Going 7->20 is a ~16.6% increase (36 to 42%)
So core 7 should be equivalent to about 3 skill levels of S2, of we keep the math simple (of course core 7 also comes with increasing her damage, while S2 only increases healing)
Core 7 Rem with lvl 10 S2 was tanking 17-33 Sinister until the AoE bombing
And I was pretty deep in red
Can you record and show
Ultimately had to use Tia tho
Can you tell CP as well
TLDR if you're following guides and strata written by people with a 10/4/10 core 7 Rem:
-
with a single Rem, raise S2 to 9 for equivalent healing
-
with MLB Rem, raise S2 to 7 for equivalent healing
With core 7, leave it at 4?
When I get off work, yeah. I don't remember the stage's CP (was it 511k?), but my party CP was 368k
Damn
Depends how much healing you want
But yeah 3 levels of S2 boost healing by slightly more than mlb->core 7
It's not negligible, healing is just usually sufficient at 4 so not seen as necessary investment
29% deficit

I'll double check on my next break
I switch my campaign comp per stage, so CP varies
Guess so
I have 100 rolls left 

If your Rem isn't healing enough in a setup that's supposed to work - try raising to 7 for healing equivalent to the core 7 whale who made the team comp
If 4 is enough though no reason to overheal
is it worth just going for rem after getting one copy or is she good without any more dupes
she benefits from dupes more than most Nikke do, since her two main roles are DPS & Healer, both of which scale with dupes

healer also scales with dupes bruh
they scale on max hp
more dupe = more max hp
I'll be more specific then
all of Rem's abilities scale with her own stats. No "boost ally atk by x%" or "increase ally core/part/etc damage", etc etc
her healing also scales purely from her own stats, unlike e.g. Helm whose healing scales with her allies' stats
personally I split Nikke into "scales on self" and "scales on allies", and use it as a way of deciding whether to get dupes.
e.g. Blanc is a lower priority for dupes imo, because only her healing (and shield) scale with her own stats, while her kit's main benefit, the DMG down and indomitability provided by her burst, both don't care about her own stats at all.
Liter is an even better example
SSS Tier support - but dupes only help by increasing her CP, her entire kit boosts allies, with benefit scaling based on the allies' stats (not her own)
even her cover repair scales based on the allies' max HP not her own
very nice of you guys to get people to dump their reserves before half anni
doing shiftup's job for them, teehee

yeah my personal suggestion would be:
- If you have some spare, roll your gems etc. on Rem dupes up to MLB
- Keep all gold mileage for expected half-anni pilgrim banner
but that's based on my own low-spending account's gem income


i can only 545 rem for now
so poor
with MLB Rem, raise S2 to 7 for equivalent healing
propaganda to mlb
before half anni

next pilgrim better be trash
so can raise chars we have instead

the gap between an mlb and c7 dps can be closed by a high atk ol line. so spend pulls or get lucky on lines.
Isnt gap getting more irrelevant the higher level you are
no, it’s the other way
but the gap doesn’t feel too important because good ol lines is still the biggest gap maker
lb0 with perfect lines will clap c7 with decent lines twice over
SR be like 4x elemental damage black lines where 
core max = 20% ATK OL
but Core max + 20% ATK OL? That's a 44% ATK OL

just core max
until next time

give me your credit card and I'll do it 
he calls his money dong 
think of it as an additional 22% element OL line, that is not diluted by anything, and applicable everywhere
a very expensive 22% OL line
Rip collab never rerun
Ppl after this forever bricked
At least me have 1 copy

Can't believe they make collab meta now
I will never forgive shiftup
when have they release a trash pilgrim. only probably rh before her release
Isabel, harran
when treasure
Yeah, as long as people aren't buring all gold mileage on these characters, they're fine for anniversary
Plus not like Pilgrims are limited
Only rolled 2 star RH during banner and she's core 5 now 
Better to use gems/vouchers here than on aniversary
did u use mileage?
For whom?
rh
Nope
how da hell she core 5, thats insane luck
alot of gems dumped probably
Shud b skill resets in april
Looking forward to those
Skill reset every 3 month 
Oh right, GD today. When I get home, I'll record healing levels. 
Miranda for me
My guillos 4 10 4 so not much gain from that
4 10 10
Ill prob do my 4 10 7 sakura too

444
I think shes dead
Extra dead on next dps release
Miranda is a single dps buffer
Single dps comps dont exist anymore imo
Novel fine to leave there for now
Do you agree with this list?
What is OL? I need nikke a dictionary
same
Overload
what is rem skill investment requirement
office lady
Oversea land
Olfactory Liquefication
I read the pins, but what does RL stand for?
Rocket Launcher
from all of these new updates and changes, is rem 0 mlb worth getting?
or she has to be like 10/9/10 in order for her to work?
She seems like she is super high investment, but are the returns very worth it?
also, if I am not top 0.1% in raids, and I need survivability honestly, is having Rem really the best for me, instead of Marciana if she allows for more survivability for my team?
like Marciana helps me pass some Health check all raid bosses have, and enables me 400m dmg
If I use rem in that case, i won't be able to survive let's say and I can't even get that additional dmg she brings from 400-700M dmg
with this in mind, is rem worth getting?
The less dupes you have, the more exclusively a DPS unit Rem becomes
You need higher S2 investment to make up for the lack of dupes to make her healing work, and she's still not a potent healer for non-RLs unless the boss is weak to Water and/or has an exposed core
Boss is fire*
Er yeah, thanks
lvl 200-locked with no elemental advantage and without hitting core

So not even my core +1 won't be enough. Man 
Mlb should be enuf
Core 7 is only for if you're aiming for top 50 or smthng
Alright 👍
example above actually looks good since that was scope-locked at the worst case scenario
in actual practice what boss would she actually struggle to heal against? i get her healing is low but i imagine if someone like biscuit can keep a team alive every 40 seconds, surely her healing twice in that amount of time will be alright no?
(considering she has decent OLs)
Ultra, probably
That's the only one I can think of though
Phase 2 hurt if you couldn't clear the projectiles
Yeah, I agree. I also couldn't get my stacks maxed until near the end cuz 1) lack of Max Ammo lines atm and 2) was too focused on watching HP myself to actually fight well
yeah i can see that but tbh ultra i struggled to heal with most teams
Birb

so simple
Birb
I don't know why CC keeps thinking she's a great healer or something
she is excellent against slow yet steady dmg
but against explosive shit like Birb

I see. I was hesitant since I wanted emilia as well for collection's sake, but I got her on my second single so I'll try getting a rem dupe with the last 5 rbw tickets from login
my biscuit managed to heal birb fairly alright
idk why im comparing to biscuit idek what their healing is like when u compare them
during biscuit heal, I felt invincible
next 30s lasted forever

my Biscuit had highest ATK
so boss shot the shit out of her

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Rem with Helm is hilarious 
Volume Rem Marci dps dps will practically invincible I guess

lifesteal on top of heal sharing
means your shitty dps like volume/marci can actually be healed by huge dps
Uhh alba doing it now
Tx tho
Nice 2nd lifeleech buffer can make Rem healing crazier
Others heal and share the healing 
I like it
Max HP healing won’t’ be shared though, right?
Like Noise’s self heal shots
they're working on it right now in #nikke-spice-chat
i like seeing big green numbers
thats like my bank acount going up

i have typed enough daily messages for xp
xp
skip rem 
Rem is skippable but the FOMO is strong with Rem
Goodness
Because we might see enough tears to fill a lake in a few months
I got Rem to MLB, OL’d her, she’s decently passable at 3 max ammo, 1 atk (black), 1 ele (blue). Whales with great OLs will laugh at this Rem but this is somewhat representing the average guy’s luck. More so that I got MLB and not 0LB.
And I had gone ahead and gotten her skills to 10/7/10 (before the advisory to leave S2 at 4)
I didn’t mind, I hoard skill books anyway
Nice
My dumbass going full OL, 10/10/10, and Core 7 on release.

No turning back now on that
So, I just used her in Interception Ex vs Blacksmith, she did alright. The damage was respectable. After all, when battle starts Rem’s at 0 stacks, and I used SBS and XLud anyway, Rem was just around
SBS + Alice + XLud + Rem + Liter (or was it D.Wife? I forgot)
35m (SBS), 6m (Alice), 15m (XLud), 8m (Rem), whatever (Liter/D.Wife)
Water-weak target
14 seconds fight
I thought it was funny that Rem outdamaged the non-bursting Alice, and it probably only happened because Alice didn’t get a chance to burst
I barely hear anyone talk about XLud
40k gems spent on MLB and I now have buyer's remorse
I already moved on Rem she will be 1/1/1 for now because too much investment to shine and no rocks and other priorities + keep some skills for half anni
I understand you
is rem suddenly not worth it now or something?
where would T-Bill rank rem in the dps ranking?
Water: top 5
Non water: roughly top 8
just wondering how fast she can be powercrept as a dps
Top 5 is powercreep??

Im more surprised theres even still discussion on if shes good
I guess ppl dont have 4x max ammo yet
RedHood, Alice
SBS
xLud
Modernia
SAnis, Rem
SW, MaidPriv
Maxwell
Emilia, 2B, Scarlet, Guillotine
This is somewhat the usability ranking id say
Rem is kinda safer than others since she's b2?
B1 cdr healer when?
nah b3 cdr first
B3 SG healer cdr?
just b3 cdr
would unlock so many b1 b2 combos
centi, diesel, admi, pepper, novel, cocoa/xmica and so much more
Preferably someone who gives some sort of reload/ammo buffs to relieve mod from being hardstuck with Doro/bunnies
midti, possibly good unit, midmi, midper, good unit, bad/mid
the cdr-centric meta is kinda boring but SU can’t do anything about it other than add more cdr options
Centi diesel admi cocoa wudnt get unlocked tbh
No dmg buffs
Admi reload speed kinda bait
Xmica novel combo tho

double down on Isabelle's kit and make a Nikke who's super strong but only outside of full burst
what teams are most optimal for rem?
centi can be niche against high damaging attacks
diesel+treasure with 10s taunt, can enable guillotine again
cocoa can dispel/cover repair
not everything needs to be direct dmg buff. smary, noise for example are frequently used
is SBS her main pairing?
Liter Rem SBS b3 flex
I'm assuming Alice is B3 with flex undecided
is alice actually good for a Rem team? She only buffs two DPS right?
wouldn't you want someone with a all-party buff
And well
Volume Rem B3 B3 flex
Crit synergy
Alice shouldn't lose her S1 buff during her own burst
same as SBS
outside their burst rotation, their dmg is poo poo anyway
min maxing can be a thing
but Alice SBS Rem Liter is actually not bad at all
It's possible that A2 is run with helm as well
Her damage is not bad on nihil
And well
RETURN OF SNEON??
I gotta test this to confirm it's dynamic because if so the english TL is wrong - it should say highest final attack if all the DPS characters can get Alice S1 when they burst and boost their own ATK
but her damage is also divided by 5 
need like Mother Whale or Train lmao
But the part damage bufffff
her burst dmg screams dmg loss
that's 7s
if only we could end it immediately
that shitty burst I swear
Neon has the most broken S1 and S2, but to trigger them you have to use the worst burst
Her S2 is non self burst at least
ah true, that's why it's not really impressive
Biggest troll in nikke history tbh
the amount is okayish
nope, it's clearly intended. Sanis should be the same, except she is Anis
no limited unit should be that broken
one person can't be designing all the skills
that's true
Probably fired next day
Hottest char design out of all counters imo
Summer neon > summer anis imo
Anis was alrdy hot
Neon turned from mid to hot
i wanna know what they were smoking on the math with her burst
it made zero sense but whatever
neon’s not allowed to be good tbh. she’s the worst char out of the trio.
More useful than anis lorewise

Skills (in order of screenshots): 10/10/10, 10/4/8, 4/4/7, 10/10/7
ele advantange?
Blacksmith, so ye
oh nvm, bsmith is kinda bad boss for her. She needs ramp up
I mean bad because we are too strong now
we kill it too fast

Yeah, but I think that's good damage coconsidering gear diff 
Also looks good for Emilia since she kept up with X Lud at low investment
Healing was pretty okay, too. She saved Volume from sure death 
224k heals 
Over 36s it's kinda troll
Dk how much she actually healed
It prevented a character from dying who would've died
That's enough™️

But yeah, she couldn't keep stacks at all cuz of BS hopping around

Oh right, I got rocks. Time to pray
Lock or drop? 
imo, Rem is a tough choice for many average players because she burns resources. Skills, rocks, for the B2 spot. I think the discussion has gone from "Is Rem Remgod?" to "Is Rem a good healer or a bad healer?" to "Is Rem actually worth the heavy investment treatment?"
No lock
Consider the alternatives
4/4/4 Marciana is the only alt
Instead of Rem who takes all that, you could put in Marciana who can be 4/4/4 in T9Ms (No OLs)
Thats some rotten luck

And there are also other alternatives, though less ideal. Novel is still around. She would be 4/4/10 in T9Ms (No OLs), or 4/4/7
Meanwhile, Rem is 10/4/10 and wants strong OLs 
And you can't slow-grow her breakthroughs after collab ends
Novel needs Max Ammo OLs to speed up her stacking tho 
Oh okay 
Sneon should be better than rem if you give Sneon an attack buffer like Maxwell if both are max invested
But otherwise, yeah, Novel is a lot cheaper
Also if you're in a squad that uses a B2 CDR, that B2 CDR could potentially just steal the slot for the sake of CDR
Which means you're using Dolla or Summer Helm
In upcoming raid at least
Imagine having S Neon invested 
Hidden trump card of someone incoming for top position in SR?
because Neon and Rem both have no self buff related to ammo, hence they will shoot the same, reload the same under same amount of boolet.
we only need to compare the dmg per boolet
@restive walrus come to think of it
Isn't Sneon just a better dps on any raid than rem?
Like, only when rem is buffing RLs is where she's better than SNeon against water
Otherwise SNeon with Maxwell > Rem DPS wise
because Rem is supporter, she only has 83.33% atk compared to Attacker. That's her "penalty".
Dmg per boolet: (They have same modifier)
- Rem: 83.33% x (1+126.6%) x (1+10% element adv) = 207.7% ATK
- Neon: (1+60% ele) x (1+30% ATK) = 208% ATK
this raid, Neon needs 30% to match Rem
now on electric boss, no ele is in play
- Rem: 83.33% x (1+126.6%) = 188% ATK
- Neon:

Neon needs like 88% ATK buff to match
not mention, Neon needs 3 rotation to ramp up her S2
Didn't that prove S.Neon is worse?
Where's going to get 88% atk buff from?
Plus you're ignoring Rem's crit rate buff
Miranda + Maxwell 
41% Maxwell
40% atk from OL 
S.Neon is a bad cook by the same chef that wanted 13.9% Red Hood final attack before he was forced to make it 27.8% final attack by concerned interns 
after rh's fiasco shitup has never shown damage numbers again in showcases 
I'm not sure 30k gems for MLB is a good rate or not, but it definitely feels bad watching my stockpile disappear
Well, it's rng
Did you know, I got MLB A2 in 90 pulls? You didn't, but now you do!
That's almost 30k gems, and is considered very good rate
Yeah, it's if you want to gamble your 30k gems
It's double the normal rate ..
30k = 100 pulls
4 copies = 4% rate from 2% banner rate up
I got rem to core +1 in 8 tries thankfully
You were fucking lucky as fuck
What is normal core 7 rate
30 for Base Rem
I don't know? I looked it up before but forgot. Should be somewhere below 550
Tf
550 is too much
Yeahhh, immediately after that, I told myself to stop and "I'm out"
Goddamn
See
550 without mileage, 450 with, no?
Indeed, mileage changes the story
Could even mileage right at 400 if you got to 9
Also if you count in mileage
550 is 2 and a portion of mileage
Whereas if you instead burned mileage to get all 11 copies, you spend 11 mileage's worth... 2,200 gold mileage gone
If you convert this to pulls, it's using 550 pulls to get MCB, or using 2,200 pulls to get MCB
It's a bit of flawed logic here but is meant to illustrate things
Put another way, if you successfully use average rate to MCB 4 different characters off pickup banners, you've earned yourself a 5th free MCB from pure gold mileage spending
Yup
This is so cursed
Very hard to reach 550 pulls as f2p
Unless they do a non meta drought
MLB rate here
Realistic
What's mlb rate for 1%?
360 pulls?
You can play with this at https://dskjal.com/statistics/chance-calculator.html
The probability of hitting one or more when loot box of hitting probability p% is performed n times. etc.
MCB isn't intended to be a F2P goal in the first place 
Close enough
A free to play game that lets F2P players easily max characters is a game going into EOS very quickly 
Oof
Same, I gambled on her banner and it was the worst luck I had
I got her first multi 
Problem was I had 0 mileage
So I had to go 200 pulls into her banner
Lol
Saved up so much just to go empty
I had to build up my mileage on her banner, then spend my mileage on her, too
Ive straight up decided as f2p, you should never pull on 1%
I'm always gonna pull on normal banners and just ticket 1%
The rates are rigged bros
There's no way rate up is real
I started playing at Nier. I hadn't spent a single mileage before her banner. I'm silly lucky I got through SBS and Modernia rerun with as few pulls as I did, too, since I didn't have any mileage for that, either
Indeed. Sometimes rate ups aren't as trustworthy 
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