#[Rem] New Unit Megathread

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glad hill
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Atk buff is useless yes

gray ibex
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My man reacts with "wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha YOU DIDNT SPEND 600 ROCKS FOR BIS ROLLS??????????"

glad hill
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Even crit might be better

gray ibex
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Happens literally every time I post something without bis rolls

glad hill
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Well not that much

gray ibex
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you're blocked now just fyi so dont bother replying to me

glad hill
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Why are u being so sensitive?

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People nowadays have a short fuse or what

ember plover
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Atk not good in OL too or only buffs ??

glad hill
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Can just say you dont have rocks or whatever and Id say nothing

fleet light
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Which crit stat do you think would be better?

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More rate to close in on 100% with Volume or damage?

ember plover
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Need to update sticky if atk not good :/

glad hill
ember plover
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Least I didn't reroll for atk specifically

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Guess the crit atk piece is getting rerolled

fleet light
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I feel like Ele should be highest

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If run with Priv, Max Ammo isn't necessary to keep stacks

glad hill
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She already has 2.26x herself

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Adding 0.05x-0.1x to that wont do shit

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ELE multiplies that by 1.25x potentially

novel moth
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BlancStare how many ammo req to shoot 10s during full burst without reload?

glad hill
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One makes that 2.35x, one makes that 2.8x.

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But ammo always takes the lead

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Thats just how MGs work

fossil fox
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Just call him baldsenix no need to madge

glad hill
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*Crit DMG over atk

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She already has Crit rate

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Its additive

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And diluted

lilac raven
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Wasted 12 rocks
Don't feel too good

pseudo field
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what's the skill prio for rem?

fleet light
pseudo field
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oh, my bad, thx

fleet light
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Hm, I wonder if Rem will end up with Volume this coming SR thonk

tight flame
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Who is cooking?

fleet light
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JKs need a water unit

tight flame
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Does she powercreep someone I meta or nah?

fleet light
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Would Dorothy go there or are we shoving Emilia or X Lud there Xeniathink

fleet light
tight flame
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Link me his test pls

fleet light
tight flame
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Dam

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n

fleet light
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31 million healing delusweat

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That's 120 full heals

tight flame
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doro team is always changing xD

fleet light
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12 full party heals

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Although that's also level 500+

tight flame
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Yeah, big difference between humans and whales

fleet light
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Lock that Max Ammo, reroll, and you're golden

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Good roll on 3rd slot is blessed

lilac raven
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Getting element adv is cringe

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Shit never dropping

fleet light
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I feel ya

tight flame
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Rock pity when?

fleet light
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Level 6 dispatch copium

tight flame
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Mmmm 10/4/7 I like it

solemn pine
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can anyone test if rem can get s1 stacks off burst w pepper/xmica?

restive walrus
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isn't it basic meth?

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  • You have 10s off burst S1
  • 4s later, you burst Pepper
  • Your S1 refreshes, have 10s duration
  • Full burst ends, so does your S1
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For Xmica case

  • 150 boolets ~ 7.5s
  • Reload is 2s
    => 9.5s total, so yeah, Rem can do a non burst here
solemn pine
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yea but let’s say rem has 0 stacks and pepper burst

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will rem gain 1 stack of s1 even if she’s not on burst mode yet

restive walrus
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0 will never become 1

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only when buff exists, it's increased

solemn pine
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meh idk why I thought of cooking pepper/xmica with rem. volume seems to be the best bet

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doro priv feels awkward with priv cutting rem’s ammo by 150+

wintry pier
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Doro Resilience Rem

timid wind
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I don't think you can't use that instant reload trick with rem?

restive walrus
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won't, need a lot reload for that

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Priv + Resi = 70% I think?

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or 80%

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your reload will be shorter than cool down so you won't wind up

solemn pine
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you can’t, insta reload is for electro units with ass+priv+resil

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and if you use rem with doro priv, then no biscuit/elegg

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so yep, just volume

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d-alt clashes with rem (pierce sniper vs rl support)
liter has to babysit jk/bunnies

fossil fox
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volume rem weakness is no ammo support for rem

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ideal world wud actually have her in doro priv imo

solemn pine
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biscuit benched?

fossil fox
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it depends lol

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if theres parts to splash on

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machine guns basically function the best with ammo support
ammo support = max ammo buffs (OL lines, xmica), refill magazine (noir), reload speed (privaty)

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its why you see modernia almost exclusively paired with noir

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and guillotine with s.anis in her old comps

shell dome
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Base crit rate = 15%
Rem Burst from Crit = 37.8%
Volume Burst lvl 10= 31.59%
Helm s1 lvl 10= 14.64%

99.03% Crit rate

solemn pine
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diesel off burst with rem 10head

shell dome
fossil fox
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shift up also noticed this when designing xlud, put refill on her s1 and reload speed on her burst

fossil fox
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problem was diesel has no dmg buffs

solemn pine
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diesel treasure praydoge

shell dome
fossil fox
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if diesel treasure makes her taunt 10 sec and adds a moderate dmg buff

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its joever

solemn pine
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really need that b3 cdr

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fuck, it’s gonna unlock so many b1 b2 combos

shell dome
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So she can tank train shots on high deficit

fossil fox
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well by the time that happens

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u dont need to tank train

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u shud be able to one shot

shell dome
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True

solemn pine
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can’t really slot in diesel+treasure with existing b1 cdr’s. too much b2 competition

fossil fox
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first treasure is in 2 months?

shell dome
solemn pine
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so 0 cdr team or off burst b2 cdr

fossil fox
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volume + treasure diesel is viable

solemn pine
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anyway there should still be hope for rem+a2 despite the shitty healing distribution?

fossil fox
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a2 kinda extremely dogwater

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but

bright spear
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yesn't

fossil fox
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if SR has good uptime on parts

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maybe

bright spear
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quintuple cleave surely

solemn pine
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volume rem a2 emilia xmica Dentge

fossil fox
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xmica there is dmg loss

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rather get a 3rd dps in there

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thats why the comp im hoping materializes is with doro rem b3 b3 priv AnisShrug

solemn pine
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scarlet then Kek

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not many option for off burst dps

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only scar mod

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drake is dead

restive walrus
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there's always an off burst DPS

fossil fox
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im going to try that

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leave rem at 10 4 10

solemn pine
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sneon whatthedogdoin

fossil fox
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and see if she can just barely keep guillo low enuf

solemn pine
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I already leveled her s2 to 7 pepegahammer so dum

restive walrus
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bricked

fossil fox
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idk the point of leveling up b4 solo raid

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just let others test

soft urchin
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Late response but realised my math was fucked.

7->10 is a 16.6% increase in healing, not 10%.

So.... Slightly better.

grim topaz
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Pretty notable but not enough to be a huge difference

soft urchin
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Yeah

peak hearth
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Though ATK not that big a boost to Rem, it still reliably increases her damage. Rem’s high crit rate is only when Rem bursts, but it’s up often. Crit dmg does sound like it’d be better.

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Ammo & Ele indisputably best OL effects for her, then the rest is probably best treated as “whatever, if they show up they show up”

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Probably not wise to reject having Ele over Atk on Rem even if you plan to use her on everything not related to counter element

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Because ShiftUp trend has been to start throwing a need for counter elements at us

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Things like stopping kamikaze raptures that need counter elements to destroy them

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Slowly and surely this is evolving into veteran accounts wanting 1 of each element in every slot that serves a great role, until they have 5 full element choices to draw from

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Not that it’s news news, most of us saw this coming a mile away back for months now

restive walrus
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Ammo => Ele => Whatever

solemn pine
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crit damage for that volume+rem cooking

bright spear
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100% crit rate build

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finally

ember plover
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holy lol , first time I try her

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I defo need that last ammo roll though

abstract valley
ember plover
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water hehe

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😛

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but still

tight flame
ember plover
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still kinda crazy xd... scarlet is core 2

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and the 2 elec units buff themselves

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well sanis does

glad hill
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Nonono

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In reality it doesbt work

glad hill
tight flame
ember plover
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good thing I didnt ever touch guillotine

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lol

tight flame
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me too xD

tight flame
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New pvp super meta

shell dome
frail spruce
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any updates if ren is as good or not as good as we thougth before i got her yesterday?

soft urchin
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  • Best B2 DPS in the game
  • Healing is acceptable
  • RL buff is good but no meta RL who want it

TL;DR Roll her and replace Marciana to lose some healing but gain a fuck tonne of damage

tight flame
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P5 saved

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Nah idk

graceful plinth
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should I raise rem skills first than emilia

still tide
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Rip marciana investment

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Elysion only

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Isnt emilia meta rl

valid lava
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For like

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Pvp

tight flame
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Wait wait

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Marciana investment....

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I mean she is 4/4/4

vestal crater
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which costume has the worst rem arms?

ivory walrus
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the pass one, the pink colour makes it stand out

vestal crater
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pay2lose

grim pagoda
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Any good for rem? Is 3rd line attack even worth locking for her?

vestal crater
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its the worst of the top 3

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but line 3 is still ok

grim pagoda
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Worth locking or nah?

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2 stones per reroll afterwards seems steep

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Her s1 already stacks so much attack

craggy crown
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More atk does make MG units much more effective

grim pagoda
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Yeah, but ammo is the best for her

abstract valley
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still, it's a decent roll on 3rd line. imo keep it

grim pagoda
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Ok

tight flame
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Lock atk and reroll

lavish cedar
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isn't atk mid for rem since she has a lot of atk buff already ?

peak hearth
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Yes

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But what else would you get?

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Ammo > Ele > Whatever is pretty apt

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And if you got Ammo + Atk, are you going to burn a rock to reroll it more?

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Up to you but I’d probably keep it and walk away KEKS

lavish cedar
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hmm got it

fleet light
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Got a black Crit Rate roll on one of my pieces, so probably just going to hang onto that deluthonk

peak hearth
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My rolls weren’t good, I’m sad sadge

  1. Hit Rate
  2. Max Ammo
    1. Max Ammo
    2. Charge Speed
    1. Charge Dmg
    2. Max Ammo
    3. Atk (BLACK)
    1. Ele (BLUE)
    2. Crit Dmg
    3. Charge Dmg
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Aw, this format isn’t nice looking

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Better

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Tried something and I hated it, screenshots better

fleet light
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Much better rolls than what I have currently yabai

peak hearth
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I had hit a streak of like 9 rolls where it kept giving me RL/SR related stuff or hit rate

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With nothing else useful…

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RIP rocks

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Down to 19, saving mode for next great thing™️

fleet light
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I have this atm:

  • Crit Rate (Black)
  • Element
  • ATK
  • Charge Damage
  • Max Ammo
  • ATK
tight knot
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this team now possible because of rem lol

peak hearth
fleet light
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Yeah, I'm about to have progressed an entire chapter using Rem ComfyBlob

tight knot
visual epoch
tight knot
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ofc its not gonna work to any "defense" stage

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rh as b1 only work to fast/normal stage

restive walrus
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I tried to convert Rem healing as "life steal"

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she has kinda like marciana life steal

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so I think she's fine

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except Guillo hates her

peak hearth
restive walrus
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Explosive heal means the value you will gain during the heal is active

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for example, Helm during her burst has 54% lifesteal

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which is insane right

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but during 180s, you only have 1/3 time having that heal

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so averagely, it's 18%

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explosive heal decides whether you can tank the boss burst
avg heal means you can heal back during boss "rests"

peak hearth
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Oh, Exp Heal is Explosive Heal and it's the Expected Heal or Face Value Heal, okay

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Snow White with 100% Kek_dog

restive walrus
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note that this "life steal" is dynamic. I put the best case for Rem

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  • Ele check
  • Best OL
peak hearth
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In reality, Snow White can only make use of the 1/8 column right?

restive walrus
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ah that 1/8 is from here

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depend on number of RL from your team, but 1/6 is more practical

peak hearth
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So Snow White will be 16.81% avg heal in reality, only

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Oh

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22.41%

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Eww, Privaty at 4.16%?

restive walrus
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Privaty hits hard

peak hearth
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Wait why is Snow White dramatically higher?

restive walrus
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Snow White shoots pea with her peashooter

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do you forget that 80% dmg of Snow is from her burst?

peak hearth
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Are you saying damage dealt by the squadmates matter in being healed by Rem?

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Oh this is a work in progress

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You're using Marciana calculations

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It's still thinking the units have to deal damage, not Rem have to deal damage

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You have a lot of fun work to do on that spreadsheet Kek_dog

restive walrus
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the concept is like this

  • Heal per sec of Rem.
  • Dmg per sec of those comparison characters
  • Heal of rem / dmg per sec of character = Life steal expected
velvet ginkgo
peak hearth
velvet ginkgo
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will need to bring someone like dolla for the cdr though

peak hearth
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I don't think that's correct?

restive walrus
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urghh no

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you can think of these % here as "life steal" provide by Fake Helm

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or Fake Marciana

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then look up the "real" Marciana

fleet light
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So how much they'd be healing themselves if Helm/Marc were on the team

restive walrus
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to see the "level" of lifesteal

fleet light
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as opposed to how much Rem heals them?

peak hearth
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Oh

restive walrus
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most of the time, Rem < Helm

peak hearth
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So basis for comparison using Marc or Helm, I see

restive walrus
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but Rem seems to ~ Marciana

spark pulsar
fleet light
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Yup

restive walrus
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yeah, lifesteal is more complicated than my previous healing sheet

peak hearth
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Did you factor in Helm's 40s cd while Rem's having 20s cd?

restive walrus
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for normal healer, I can just slap it like this

restive walrus
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  • Explosive Heal: Decide whether you can face tank boss attacks or not, especially chip dmg
  • Avg heal: The amount of heal you will gain, through 180s
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because Helm burst is 40s, so 1/3 uptime

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Rem burst is 20s, aka 2/3 uptime

restive walrus
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delete redundant data to make it less oppressive

peak hearth
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2/7 is if 1 RL and 1 Rem, right?

restive walrus
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yep

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that's why other chars have nothing there

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they are not RL

peak hearth
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Looks good, seems RL is the way to go, otherwise just Rem by herself and not counting on her healing to save anyone's ass on short notice

restive walrus
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because dmg is dynamic (depend on team, ele, skill lv), so Rem "lifesteal conversion" may vary depend on my input

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for example, this is S2 Lv 10. I will lower it to lv 4 to see the loss

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then without ele check

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etc...

peak hearth
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Boss turns invulnerable, requires Fire Code to deal damage to it

Boss invulnerable phase lasts 10 seconds

Squad takes constant heavy AoE damage

RIP Rem healing Kek_dog

restive walrus
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this just means, you can kinda "expect" her heal to a certain level, compared to other "lifesteal" givers (Marci, Helm)

peak hearth
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This kind of thing can still happen, as well, anything which screws with Rem dmg uptime

restive walrus
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yep

spark pulsar
restive walrus
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Rem deals 0 dmg = 0 heal

spark pulsar
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Are you sure?

restive walrus
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Scarlet has no team

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but I doubt it matters

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Scarlet doesn't scale well with team anyway, except bunnies

spark pulsar
restive walrus
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in this situation, she has ele check

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so she deals double Scarlet dmg

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that's why her "lifesteal" looks double too

spark pulsar
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Explosive heal comparison:
Marciana lvl4: 7.96%
Rem s2 lvl10: 11.74%

I'm not sure about this

spark pulsar
restive walrus
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yep

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but if boss "doesn't have" core

spark pulsar
restive walrus
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this value is lower

spark pulsar
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But Marciana is still the same

spark pulsar
restive walrus
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this is without core

spark pulsar
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So we can match it with nihilister

restive walrus
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I just expect new raid boss has no core

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dream

spark pulsar
restive walrus
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this is when I remove 1 line of ele

spark pulsar
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She can keep scarlet alive

restive walrus
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lose about 4%

spark pulsar
restive walrus
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no ele at all, no core

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no ele but core on

spark pulsar
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This makes sense, kinda

restive walrus
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emilia value is extremely low because I expect her to deal x5 dmg this raid

spark pulsar
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So rem s2 lvl10 is a must I guess?

restive walrus
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against Blacksmith

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wait Bsmith has core

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Bsmith but no core

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dunno about that, I need to index her value first

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but yeah, at lv max, she can roughly heal like Marciana if raid is fire

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which is nice

spark pulsar
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Damn, 10/10/10 unit basically lol

fleet light
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Good thing I did that. kek

fair totem
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ngon ko ae

restive walrus
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bruh

spark pulsar
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Edited skill recs

peak hearth
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What if the Rem is doing much less, or much more, damage per hit contrary to the sheet?

restive walrus
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then the "lifesteal" conversion changes, also

peak hearth
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Like here the heal is 490,419 in Avg Heal. How was this 490,419 determined?

restive walrus
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dmg per bullet x 60

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dmg is during her burst

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come to think of it, the 1/3 and 1/2 gotta be non burst version

peak hearth
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So it’s calculated with the assumption Rem has 30 stacks of atk buff and resulted in healing for this total value over the entire battle?

restive walrus
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yeah, 30 stacks averagely (first 10s ramp up + 170s with 30 stacks)

peak hearth
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How accurate is this total value, I mean.. if I copied the Rem mirrored in the sheet and shot the same enemy you’re reflecting in the sheet, I’d actually arrive at around 490k healed for a single RL?

restive walrus
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nope, you won't

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look at her OL

fleet light
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Perfect stats

peak hearth
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Hold my beer, let me pull out my 1,000 rocks and get these

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Okay… so uh, how about turning off OLs? 👀

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Same with Helm and Marciana

restive walrus
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helm and Marciana lifesteal can't be affected by OL or whatever

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30% is 30%

peak hearth
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Nice, 2/3 less work for you pepesmile

restive walrus
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do you understand the sheet?

peak hearth
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I’ve been using the screenshots, KEKS

restive walrus
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oh well, sc it is

peak hearth
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I do understand so far

restive walrus
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cuz I see that "removing OL" for Helm and Marci

peak hearth
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Just concerned whether the heals listed reflect reality for most of us who can’t get 1 good OL roll to save our lives

restive walrus
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I think we are in different road

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practically, this is what you will get with no ele roll

restive walrus
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ammo doesn't affect the heal per sec, only ATK is

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oh well, 58% atk may affect it too

peak hearth
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Example, let’s say Rem has no dmg gains and just pure Ammo. Then her dmg dealt would be way less than what you show.. especially if the player has 0% ele rolls or - even if they had it - were using it against a non-weak target

restive walrus
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let me remove both ATK and ele

fleet light
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Ammo would affect it since it affects how quickly she gets max stacks thonk

restive walrus
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yeah but this is just heal per sec

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we omit the reload time etc...

peak hearth
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Indeed but ultimately the main advice to everybody is ammo, so we’re likely to see more getting ammo than not

restive walrus
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which S2 lv do you want?

peak hearth
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I’m also concerned about where this damage number is coming from, like.. who’s the target being shot?

restive walrus
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4/7/10?

peak hearth
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7 should be good

restive walrus
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a solo raid boss with 30k def

peak hearth
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I mean 10’s also fine but since you asked, why not 7

restive walrus
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final result for you

peak hearth
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Then we can find out if Rem heals are an impossible copium

restive walrus
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no ele, no ATK

peak hearth
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restive walrus
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boss is fire

peak hearth
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Is this

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7% freaking avg heal?

restive walrus
peak hearth
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I’m doomed

restive walrus
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yeah, on normal case, her heal is 20~33% of Marci

fleet light
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Of course my alt gets better rolls than my main kek

peak hearth
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Seems like Rem really, really needs every dmg gain advantage she can get

restive walrus
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solo heal Rem is stressful

peak hearth
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At least it’s still higher avg than Marciana

restive walrus
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you need to stack a lot on her to work it out

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on Snow White?

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because on Sanis

peak hearth
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Which means she can keep RLs alive, probably, if it’s not a burst heal that’s needed

restive walrus
fossil fox
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Rem god

tight flame
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Yep she is

spark pulsar
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Rem is a skill manual whore

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10/10/10, my god deadge

fossil fox
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and needs 4 max ammo to feel good

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i have 4 rocks only

tight flame
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Nah 10 overall

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Ain't no way

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X4 Max ammo and X4 ED

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Ain't no way x2

peak hearth
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I’m partway there. X3 max ammo, x1 ed, x1 atk kekw

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But I’m probably doomed to never reroll any of her gear again kekw

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It’s why I hounded T-Swift a bit with adjusting his sheet to show more realistic results

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Now I know I can’t embrace the dream of Rem the Healer all that seriously

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RLs sure, maybe I’ll force Laplace to tank SR bosses with Rem healing her

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Or Rem can do the tanking kekw

steep heath
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should i pull? i only have sbs , and no b2 or emilia , i dont have any tickets to pull , so Im running low on gems

peak hearth
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Despite the recent remarks about healing you may have seen just above, that’s healing

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Rem is indisputably doing a lot of damage

steep heath
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do abnormal units ever come back? is there any change to get a2?

fossil fox
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Rem is one of the units where if u dont get now u r bricked

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Under 1% chance of a rerun

peak hearth
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Bricked surely is an exaggeration, all ShiftUp has to do is release a few more good B2s Kek_dog

steep heath
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planning to pull her , but only have 1 good rl unit

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and emilia does not fully convice me

peak hearth
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She can be used with 0 RL units

spark pulsar
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fixed

peak hearth
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And if you have Laplace, she might become that good RL after treasure arrives

tender loom
abstract valley
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AKSHUALLY Modernerd

peak hearth
fossil fox
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first rem OL

abstract valley
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AYO

subtle lantern
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Is A2 a stable in Rem team? Or is she not used anymore?

tight flame
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Ban

mossy tide
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Now she's out

quiet cosmos
steep heath
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can I replace naga for rem? for b1 I would still use liter , so the buff to cover repair is covered , but would the drop of damage would be too much?

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or does it all comes down to the scenario , weather when a sg becomes more useful than a mg

timid wind
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Rem god, now need 3 more rock to upgrade OL wahahaha

tight flame
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Nah I can't see those rolls

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My first roll in blue ram was charge dmg and speed

lavish cedar
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she can be part of s anis team no ?

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doro/rem/sanis/scarlet/priv

spark pulsar
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Ok yeah

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Waiy

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Wait

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I may have trolled and misjudged some stuff

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Well, I'm not 100% sure if I did but maybe

spark pulsar
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Skill recommendations:
Starting -> Min -> F2p -> High
1/1/1 -> 7/4/4 -> 10/4/7 -> 10/4/10

About S2:
S2 is Rem's healing ability.
The major part about S2 is that Rem's heal depends on her damage output. It is absolutely crucial to get good OL lines on her, especially Ammo + Elemental/Atk to boost her attack as much as possible.

It is more worth it in my opinion to boost Rem's damage than to upgrade her Skill 2. Rem is the first nikke about which I would say, get dupes for Rem to get her to MLB to stabilise her heal.
If you lack dupes, you may upgrade s2 to lvl7 at best, otherwise do not upgrade it more than 4. The value increase per skill books required is not worth it in my opinion. So keep Rem's skill 2 at 4. It is better to upgrade her skill 1 and burst, and keep S2 at a low value. It is better to work on her OL gear than to upgrade her skill 2, due to how less S2 affects the overall heals.

Trust in her to heal herself and 1-2RLs who are paired with her, which should be more than enough to keep 2-3 units alive against a solo raid boss that targets "highest ATK".

spark pulsar
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It is probably for the best that Rem is not used without RL units, so that she may be able to heal 2-3 out of 5 units in a team

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That said, I think it's also highly probable that liter is used for rem to give cover heal to the team Think

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Otherwise you'll have to use some mid nikke

tight flame
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I like 1\1\1

graceful plinth
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imma decide how much to invest in s2 after try SR

flat hinge
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I don't have enuf boolets

restive walrus
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roll

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keep rolling in the deep

spark pulsar
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No joke

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Good OL with core 7 would make a world of diff

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Helm probably the ideal choice

graceful plinth
spark pulsar
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That's 8% extra heals, should be enough I hope

graceful plinth
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good OL means higher ammo?

spark pulsar
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Ammo > ele > atk

flat hinge
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be big brain and just get higher lvl on s2 instead of sinking rolls on mlb

spark pulsar
spark pulsar
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Or at the very least
7->10 is definitely boss damage dependant

spark pulsar
graceful plinth
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who’s trueray

timid wind
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How much of dmg different between MLB and C7? And can the gap be close by OL?

soft urchin
# spark pulsar going from 4->10 is overall less effective probably?

Going from 4->7 is a 20% increase in healing (30% damage to 36%)

Going 7->20 is a ~16.6% increase (36 to 42%)

So core 7 should be equivalent to about 3 skill levels of S2, of we keep the math simple (of course core 7 also comes with increasing her damage, while S2 only increases healing)

fleet light
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Core 7 Rem with lvl 10 S2 was tanking 17-33 Sinister until the AoE bombing

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And I was pretty deep in red

spark pulsar
fleet light
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Ultimately had to use Tia tho

spark pulsar
soft urchin
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TLDR if you're following guides and strata written by people with a 10/4/10 core 7 Rem:

  • with a single Rem, raise S2 to 9 for equivalent healing

  • with MLB Rem, raise S2 to 7 for equivalent healing

fleet light
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When I get off work, yeah. I don't remember the stage's CP (was it 511k?), but my party CP was 368k

soft urchin
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But yeah 3 levels of S2 boost healing by slightly more than mlb->core 7

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It's not negligible, healing is just usually sufficient at 4 so not seen as necessary investment

restive walrus
fleet light
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I'll double check on my next break

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I switch my campaign comp per stage, so CP varies

graceful plinth
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nani

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I need lv7 s2 mlb?

spark pulsar
timid wind
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I have 100 rolls left deadge

spark pulsar
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Keep it at 4 for now

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Let's see how many rolls we need

timid wind
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Cope for 7 copy in 100 rolls

graceful plinth
soft urchin
# graceful plinth I need lv7 s2 mlb?

If your Rem isn't healing enough in a setup that's supposed to work - try raising to 7 for healing equivalent to the core 7 whale who made the team comp

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If 4 is enough though no reason to overheal

sick sable
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is it worth just going for rem after getting one copy or is she good without any more dupes

soft urchin
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she benefits from dupes more than most Nikke do, since her two main roles are DPS & Healer, both of which scale with dupes

restive walrus
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healer also scales with dupes bruh

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they scale on max hp

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more dupe = more max hp

soft urchin
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I'll be more specific then

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all of Rem's abilities scale with her own stats. No "boost ally atk by x%" or "increase ally core/part/etc damage", etc etc

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her healing also scales purely from her own stats, unlike e.g. Helm whose healing scales with her allies' stats

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personally I split Nikke into "scales on self" and "scales on allies", and use it as a way of deciding whether to get dupes.

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e.g. Blanc is a lower priority for dupes imo, because only her healing (and shield) scale with her own stats, while her kit's main benefit, the DMG down and indomitability provided by her burst, both don't care about her own stats at all.

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Liter is an even better example

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SSS Tier support - but dupes only help by increasing her CP, her entire kit boosts allies, with benefit scaling based on the allies' stats (not her own)

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even her cover repair scales based on the allies' max HP not her own

fossil fox
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Basically core 7 her or dont talk to me

restive walrus
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base

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it's the only way

flat hinge
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very nice of you guys to get people to dump their reserves before half anni
doing shiftup's job for them, teehee

restive walrus
soft urchin
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yeah my personal suggestion would be:

  • If you have some spare, roll your gems etc. on Rem dupes up to MLB
  • Keep all gold mileage for expected half-anni pilgrim banner
restive walrus
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What do you say when a B2 wannabe DPS?

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Mid

soft urchin
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but that's based on my own low-spending account's gem income

restive walrus
tight flame
still tide
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RedSTARE i can only 545 rem for now

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so poor

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with MLB Rem, raise S2 to 7 for equivalent healing

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propaganda to mlb

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before half anni

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next pilgrim better be trash

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so can raise chars we have instead

tight flame
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I don't want to max core a character who I don't like

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Gonna save until 1.5 anni

solemn pine
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the gap between an mlb and c7 dps can be closed by a high atk ol line. so spend pulls or get lucky on lines.

still tide
#

Isnt gap getting more irrelevant the higher level you are

solemn pine
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no, it’s the other way

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but the gap doesn’t feel too important because good ol lines is still the biggest gap maker

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lb0 with perfect lines will clap c7 with decent lines twice over

crystal nimbus
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SR be like 4x elemental damage black lines where Doro

restive walrus
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core max = 20% ATK OL

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but Core max + 20% ATK OL? That's a 44% ATK OL

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just core max

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until next time

crystal nimbus
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give me your credit card and I'll do it Doro

solemn pine
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he calls his money dong frogstare

restive walrus
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Wow Rem Tier 0

solemn pine
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leona bahahaha

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there are still tove copers out there

paper lion
dreamy spire
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a very expensive 22% OL line

restive walrus
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can you just

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do 1 multi?

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actually 3 are wasted

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pull single 7 times

still tide
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Rip collab never rerun

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Ppl after this forever bricked

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At least me have 1 copy

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Can't believe they make collab meta now

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I will never forgive shiftup

glossy pond
still tide
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Need to save rolls

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Pls make next pilgrim meh

restive walrus
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Pilgrim, meh

still tide
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prayge or just sidemeta

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Not needed if have rh and friends

glossy pond
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they never on banner

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lol

still tide
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MADGE when treasure

fleet light
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Yeah, as long as people aren't buring all gold mileage on these characters, they're fine for anniversary

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Plus not like Pilgrims are limited

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Only rolled 2 star RH during banner and she's core 5 now akkoShrug

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Better to use gems/vouchers here than on aniversary

glossy pond
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did u use mileage?

fleet light
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For whom?

glossy pond
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rh

fleet light
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Nope

glossy pond
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how da hell she core 5, thats insane luck

fleet light
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2/3 to Core 5 was purely spooks

glossy pond
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alot of gems dumped probably

fleet light
#

Only Pilgrim I've used mileage on was OG mod banner

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But I'm also a small 🐳

fossil fox
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Shud b skill resets in april

fleet light
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Looking forward to those

timid wind
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Skill reset every 3 month deadge

fleet light
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Oh right, GD today. When I get home, I'll record healing levels. deluthonk

fossil fox
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Miranda for me

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My guillos 4 10 4 so not much gain from that

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4 10 10

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Ill prob do my 4 10 7 sakura too

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444

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I think shes dead

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Extra dead on next dps release

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Miranda is a single dps buffer

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Single dps comps dont exist anymore imo

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Novel fine to leave there for now

queen pagoda
restive walrus
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of course

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not

queen pagoda
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What is OL? I need nikke a dictionarykekw

restive walrus
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Overload

golden ridge
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what is rem skill investment requirement

restive walrus
golden ridge
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im just new here

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sorrry

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i saw it already ty btw

peak hearth
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Olfactory Liquefication

twin urchin
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I read the pins, but what does RL stand for?

restive walrus
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Rocket Launcher

frail spruce
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from all of these new updates and changes, is rem 0 mlb worth getting?

or she has to be like 10/9/10 in order for her to work?

She seems like she is super high investment, but are the returns very worth it?

also, if I am not top 0.1% in raids, and I need survivability honestly, is having Rem really the best for me, instead of Marciana if she allows for more survivability for my team?

like Marciana helps me pass some Health check all raid bosses have, and enables me 400m dmg
If I use rem in that case, i won't be able to survive let's say and I can't even get that additional dmg she brings from 400-700M dmg

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with this in mind, is rem worth getting?

fleet light
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You need higher S2 investment to make up for the lack of dupes to make her healing work, and she's still not a potent healer for non-RLs unless the boss is weak to Water and/or has an exposed core

grim pagoda
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Boss is fire*

fleet light
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Er yeah, thanks

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lvl 200-locked with no elemental advantage and without hitting core

craggy crown
spark pulsar
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Core 7 is only for if you're aiming for top 50 or smthng

craggy crown
flat hinge
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example above actually looks good since that was scope-locked at the worst case scenario

jade roost
#

in actual practice what boss would she actually struggle to heal against? i get her healing is low but i imagine if someone like biscuit can keep a team alive every 40 seconds, surely her healing twice in that amount of time will be alright no?

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(considering she has decent OLs)

fleet light
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That's the only one I can think of though

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Phase 2 hurt if you couldn't clear the projectiles

fleet light
jade roost
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yeah i can see that but tbh ultra i struggled to heal with most teams

restive walrus
#

Birb

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so simple

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Birb

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I don't know why CC keeps thinking she's a great healer or something

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she is excellent against slow yet steady dmg

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but against explosive shit like Birb

sick sable
jade roost
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my biscuit managed to heal birb fairly alright

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idk why im comparing to biscuit idek what their healing is like when u compare them

restive walrus
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during biscuit heal, I felt invincible

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next 30s lasted forever

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my Biscuit had highest ATK

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so boss shot the shit out of her

fleet light
#

※08:12 最強ノベルが誕生してしまった…(5秒持続のミスです)
ロケランバフを十全に活かすのもいいけど分配回復の仕様的に"ロケランを多めに入れない"って選択肢もとれるのが面白いですね!
とはいえまさかここまでカタログスペック通りに強いとは…

ギロチンとか紅蓮の攻撃力を上回れれば編成の自由度が格段に上がりそうですが流石にそこまでの育成はハードルが高そうですね

"バーストⅡでここまでの火力を出せる"ってことの評価が若干不明瞭だったり

ギルティが近いんですがそっちは純粋な火力でギミック対応力は低めでしたし…
もしかしたら2軍がブラノワから入れ替わるまであるかもしれないし逆に全然伸びない?ってなるかも…?

とはいえ色々な役割を持てるのでアタッカー面でコケても他の強みを活かして長く生...

▶ Play video
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Rem with Helm is hilarious kek

restive walrus
#

Volume Rem Marci dps dps will practically invincible I guess

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lifesteal on top of heal sharing

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means your shitty dps like volume/marci can actually be healed by huge dps

spark pulsar
#

Is anyone nikke rn

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And can check smthng out

fleet light
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On alt account atm, but I can easily switch to main if needed

spark pulsar
peak hearth
#

Nice 2nd lifeleech buffer can make Rem healing crazier

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Others heal and share the healing KEKS

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I like it

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Max HP healing won’t’ be shared though, right?

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Like Noise’s self heal shots

abstract valley
fleet light
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Looking forward to bullying SI Blacksmith after reset

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But for now, sleep sleepy

bright spear
#

thats like my bank acount going up

spark pulsar
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Elevated access

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Congrats

bright spear
#

i have typed enough daily messages for xp

lament ravine
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Is that what that is

#

huh

dreamy spire
mossy tide
#

Good, I can skip rem and finally wait for red hood return

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It better be great

abstract valley
#

skip rem BlancStare

peak hearth
#

Rem is skippable but the FOMO is strong with Rem

mossy tide
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Goodness

peak hearth
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Because we might see enough tears to fill a lake in a few months

mossy tide
#

I'm so glad I didn't fall to hype, and just kept saving

peak hearth
#

I got Rem to MLB, OL’d her, she’s decently passable at 3 max ammo, 1 atk (black), 1 ele (blue). Whales with great OLs will laugh at this Rem but this is somewhat representing the average guy’s luck. More so that I got MLB and not 0LB.

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And I had gone ahead and gotten her skills to 10/7/10 (before the advisory to leave S2 at 4)

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I didn’t mind, I hoard skill books anyway

mossy tide
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Nice

grim topaz
#

No turning back now on that

peak hearth
#

So, I just used her in Interception Ex vs Blacksmith, she did alright. The damage was respectable. After all, when battle starts Rem’s at 0 stacks, and I used SBS and XLud anyway, Rem was just around

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SBS + Alice + XLud + Rem + Liter (or was it D.Wife? I forgot)

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35m (SBS), 6m (Alice), 15m (XLud), 8m (Rem), whatever (Liter/D.Wife)

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Water-weak target

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14 seconds fight

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I thought it was funny that Rem outdamaged the non-bursting Alice, and it probably only happened because Alice didn’t get a chance to burst

sick sable
#

I barely hear anyone talk about XLud

agile needle
#

40k gems spent on MLB and I now have buyer's remorse

harsh garden
#

I already moved on Rem she will be 1/1/1 for now because too much investment to shine and no rocks and other priorities + keep some skills for half anni

harsh garden
crystal imp
#

is rem suddenly not worth it now or something?

fossil fox
#

Bunch of trolls here

solemn pine
#

where would T-Bill rank rem in the dps ranking?

spark pulsar
fossil fox
#

No rem = brick

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Rem god

solemn pine
#

just wondering how fast she can be powercrept as a dps

spark pulsar
solemn pine
fossil fox
#

Im more surprised theres even still discussion on if shes good

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I guess ppl dont have 4x max ammo yet

spark pulsar
spark pulsar
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Rem is kinda safer than others since she's b2?

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B1 cdr healer when?

solemn pine
#

nah b3 cdr first

spark pulsar
solemn pine
#

just b3 cdr

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would unlock so many b1 b2 combos

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centi, diesel, admi, pepper, novel, cocoa/xmica and so much more

spark pulsar
# solemn pine just b3 cdr

Preferably someone who gives some sort of reload/ammo buffs to relieve mod from being hardstuck with Doro/bunnies

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midti, possibly good unit, midmi, midper, good unit, bad/mid

solemn pine
#

the cdr-centric meta is kinda boring but SU can’t do anything about it other than add more cdr options

fossil fox
#

No dmg buffs

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Admi reload speed kinda bait

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Xmica novel combo tho

soft urchin
crystal imp
#

what teams are most optimal for rem?

solemn pine
#

centi can be niche against high damaging attacks
diesel+treasure with 10s taunt, can enable guillotine again
cocoa can dispel/cover repair

not everything needs to be direct dmg buff. smary, noise for example are frequently used

crystal imp
#

is SBS her main pairing?

spark pulsar
soft urchin
#

is alice actually good for a Rem team? She only buffs two DPS right?

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wouldn't you want someone with a all-party buff

spark pulsar
restive walrus
#

Alice shouldn't lose her S1 buff during her own burst

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same as SBS

#

outside their burst rotation, their dmg is poo poo anyway

#

min maxing can be a thing

#

but Alice SBS Rem Liter is actually not bad at all

spark pulsar
#

It's possible that A2 is run with helm as well
Her damage is not bad on nihil

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And well
RETURN OF SNEON??

soft urchin
#

I gotta test this to confirm it's dynamic because if so the english TL is wrong - it should say highest final attack if all the DPS characters can get Alice S1 when they burst and boost their own ATK

restive walrus
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Neon non burst

spark pulsar
#

Damage buff no?

restive walrus
#

I did run some meth with Kos back then

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and no, she's just shit

solemn pine
#

but her damage is also divided by 5 LUL

restive walrus
#

need like Mother Whale or Train lmao

spark pulsar
restive walrus
#

her burst dmg screams dmg loss

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that's 7s

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if only we could end it immediately

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that shitty burst I swear

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Neon has the most broken S1 and S2, but to trigger them you have to use the worst burst

spark pulsar
#

Her S2 is non self burst at least

restive walrus
#

ah true, that's why it's not really impressive

spark pulsar
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Biggest troll in nikke history tbh

restive walrus
#

the amount is okayish

crystal imp
#

im totally convinced they let a new dev handle s neon

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her kit is so badly designed

restive walrus
#

nope, it's clearly intended. Sanis should be the same, except she is Anis

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no limited unit should be that broken

crystal imp
#

one person can't be designing all the skills

restive walrus
#

that's true

spark pulsar
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Summer neon > summer anis imo

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Anis was alrdy hot

Neon turned from mid to hot

crystal imp
#

i wanna know what they were smoking on the math with her burst

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it made zero sense but whatever

solemn pine
#

frogstare neon’s not allowed to be good tbh. she’s the worst char out of the trio.

fleet light
#

Skills (in order of screenshots): 10/10/10, 10/4/8, 4/4/7, 10/10/7

restive walrus
#

ele advantange?

fleet light
#

Blacksmith, so ye

restive walrus
#

oh nvm, bsmith is kinda bad boss for her. She needs ramp up

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I mean bad because we are too strong now

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we kill it too fast

fleet light
#

Yeah, but I think that's good damage coconsidering gear diff aSataniaMuhaha

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Also looks good for Emilia since she kept up with X Lud at low investment

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Healing was pretty okay, too. She saved Volume from sure death thonkHappy

spark pulsar
#

Over 36s it's kinda troll

#

Dk how much she actually healed

fleet light
#

It prevented a character from dying who would've died

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That's enough™️

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But yeah, she couldn't keep stacks at all cuz of BS hopping around

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Oh right, I got rocks. Time to pray

#

Lock or drop? delupanik2

peak hearth
spark pulsar
peak hearth
#

Consider the alternatives

spark pulsar
peak hearth
#

Instead of Rem who takes all that, you could put in Marciana who can be 4/4/4 in T9Ms (No OLs)

uneven fulcrum
peak hearth
#

And there are also other alternatives, though less ideal. Novel is still around. She would be 4/4/10 in T9Ms (No OLs), or 4/4/7

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Meanwhile, Rem is 10/4/10 and wants strong OLs Kek_dog

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And you can't slow-grow her breakthroughs after collab ends

fleet light
#

Novel needs Max Ammo OLs to speed up her stacking tho thonk

peak hearth
#

Oh okay Kek_dog

spark pulsar
#

Sneon should be better than rem if you give Sneon an attack buffer like Maxwell if both are max invested

fleet light
#

But otherwise, yeah, Novel is a lot cheaper

peak hearth
#

Also if you're in a squad that uses a B2 CDR, that B2 CDR could potentially just steal the slot for the sake of CDR

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Which means you're using Dolla or Summer Helm

fleet light
#

Imagine having S Neon invested delusweat

spark pulsar
#

Hidden trump card of someone incoming for top position in SR?

restive walrus
#

because Neon and Rem both have no self buff related to ammo, hence they will shoot the same, reload the same under same amount of boolet.

#

we only need to compare the dmg per boolet

spark pulsar
#

@restive walrus come to think of it
Isn't Sneon just a better dps on any raid than rem?

restive walrus
#

how so?

spark pulsar
#

Otherwise SNeon with Maxwell > Rem DPS wise

restive walrus
#

because Rem is supporter, she only has 83.33% atk compared to Attacker. That's her "penalty".

Dmg per boolet: (They have same modifier)

  • Rem: 83.33% x (1+126.6%) x (1+10% element adv) = 207.7% ATK
  • Neon: (1+60% ele) x (1+30% ATK) = 208% ATK
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this raid, Neon needs 30% to match Rem

#

now on electric boss, no ele is in play

#
  • Rem: 83.33% x (1+126.6%) = 188% ATK
  • Neon: sm
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Neon needs like 88% ATK buff to match

#

not mention, Neon needs 3 rotation to ramp up her S2

peak hearth
#

Didn't that prove S.Neon is worse?

#

Where's going to get 88% atk buff from?

#

Plus you're ignoring Rem's crit rate buff

fleet light
restive walrus
#

just don't invest Neon

spark pulsar
restive walrus
peak hearth
#

S.Neon is a bad cook by the same chef that wanted 13.9% Red Hood final attack before he was forced to make it 27.8% final attack by concerned interns Kek_dog

restive walrus
#

then we don't even burst her

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he was right

#

she's our B1

flat hinge
#

after rh's fiasco shitup has never shown damage numbers again in showcases wahahaha

agile needle
peak hearth
#

Did you know, I got MLB A2 in 90 pulls? You didn't, but now you do!

#

That's almost 30k gems, and is considered very good rate

craggy crown
#

Yeah, it's if you want to gamble your 30k gems

spark pulsar
#

30k = 100 pulls

4 copies = 4% rate from 2% banner rate up

craggy crown
#

I got rem to core +1 in 8 tries thankfully

spark pulsar
#

You were fucking lucky as fuck

peak hearth
#

190 for Emilia - about average, to be MLB

#

300 for Rem - I was cursed

spark pulsar
restive walrus
#

30 for Base Rem

peak hearth
#

I don't know? I looked it up before but forgot. Should be somewhere below 550

restive walrus
#

never core max

craggy crown
spark pulsar
peak hearth
fleet light
#

550 without mileage, 450 with, no?

peak hearth
#

Indeed, mileage changes the story

#

Could even mileage right at 400 if you got to 9

#

Also if you count in mileage

#

550 is 2 and a portion of mileage

#

Whereas if you instead burned mileage to get all 11 copies, you spend 11 mileage's worth... 2,200 gold mileage gone

#

If you convert this to pulls, it's using 550 pulls to get MCB, or using 2,200 pulls to get MCB

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It's a bit of flawed logic here but is meant to illustrate things

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Put another way, if you successfully use average rate to MCB 4 different characters off pickup banners, you've earned yourself a 5th free MCB from pure gold mileage spending

fleet light
#

Yup

spark pulsar
#

Very hard to reach 550 pulls as f2p

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Unless they do a non meta drought

peak hearth
#

MLB rate here

spark pulsar
spark pulsar
peak hearth
fleet light
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MCB isn't intended to be a F2P goal in the first place thonk

peak hearth
spark pulsar
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Pretty BS

fleet light
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A free to play game that lets F2P players easily max characters is a game going into EOS very quickly kek

spark pulsar
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I got 1 copy of RH in 210 pulls

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Lol

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It broke me as f2p

fleet light
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Oof

craggy crown
fleet light
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I got her first multi deluyab

spark pulsar
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So I had to go 200 pulls into her banner

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Lol

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Saved up so much just to go empty

agile needle
spark pulsar
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I'm always gonna pull on normal banners and just ticket 1%

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The rates are rigged bros

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There's no way rate up is real

agile needle
craggy crown
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Indeed. Sometimes rate ups aren't as trustworthy sadge

still tide
timid wind
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600K yen huhcat

grim topaz
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That's nearly $4,000 USD wtf

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No, no way. I refuse to believe that LOL

timid wind
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Ya

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Probably spent too much on raw gem.

restive walrus
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damn