#[Emilia] New Unit Megathread
proper plaza
proper plaza
Nah 50% is not enough
olive scarab
If we assume 20% charge speed as a more realistic / normal example
- Burst takes 3.8 seconds
- Normal takes 0.8 seconds
- Could fire 4.75 NA in that time
- Burst goes from 4.75x to 5.12x damage
olive scarab
proper plaza
Because attack has innate 0.2s delay
olive scarab
the innate delay?
olive scarab
so many innate delays in this game
dapper oar
.
proper plaza
More attack = more delay in total
olive scarab
I see, so with 20%
- Burst takes 4 (3.8 +0.2) seconds
- NA takes 1, occurs 4 times (0.8x4 + 0.2x4)
So it's 4x vs 5.12x
dapper oar
with 56% (maximum charge speed we can effectively get without full griefing) should be right around 5 shots if u let her just shoot
.44(1-.56)+.36666(innate) = .806
dapper oar
u can get faster if u manual
dapper oar
manual still has some delay doesnt it? 
olive scarab
Stepping aside from the burst being an active demerit, let's take a hypothetical standard anti-water team of:
Liter/Blanc/Xmas Lud/Emilia/Noir
It's almost certain, that for any amount of charge speed, Noir burst will be better than Emilia
So you'd be better off swapping Emilia & Noir spots
dapper oar
with no charge speed we return to this
448.32% conversion + full burst bonus
noir is 351.64% conversion without fullburst bonus
+emilia can hit core/per part
dapper oar
i dont think i would use emilia on no part boss so i expect 2-3x generally
with 1 part+body or 2part+body
olive scarab
I'm considering her use for potentially pushing water stages
being our second decent water DPS
dapper oar
well it would still be per mob then but in campaign wave pushing theres also overflow u have to worry about
like i can sw burst a rapture and get tons of dmg but its not effective dmg
olive scarab
I won't lie I forget just how bad Noir's burst is lol
so used to burst 3 units have strong bursts that actually do stuff
dapper oar
but i think in campaign its also important to consider the burst explosion range increase
since campaign is usually more spreadout on mob layout
so u would likely be bursting anyways?
dapper oar
shes same range is a2
a2 base and s1 is the same as her base and burst at the same levels
proper plaza
around 60% charge speed. With M-san help per hit
dapper oar
around 60% charge speed. With M-san help per hit
have u ever tried m(anual)-san in co-op with an alice
proper plaza
proper plaza
RL works as "bar" so there's checkpoint
41%
60%
anything inbetween falls to 41%
41% CS, which is 13.01% from S1
dapper oar
bar?
olive scarab
Oh wow, didn't know that
dapper oar
proper plaza
so 28% from CS
proper plaza
because 3.9/0.79 needs to be INT
what does 3.7 hit RL bring me?
3 hit
what does 3.99 hit RL bring me?
3 hit
proper plaza
yep
dapper oar
ah that makes more sense
proper plaza
burst charge vs hit normal instead
anyway, the lowest you can tolerate is 28%
which is 7% from each line
dapper oar
tbf 3.99 hit gives u 3 hits + 1 hit without full burst
i dont just lose .99 charge when it ends
proper plaza
there's still full burst
whatever we do, it's still 4s during fb
but it's out of boundary
dapper oar
ya but i mean if u get 3.99 shots during full burst
proper plaza
olive scarab
because 3.9/0.79 needs to be INT
I need to go sleep, but I think my conclusion is that her burst is slightly better than Noir, but in any 1/1/3 team Emilia is likely best placed in the fifth slot.
A Doro/Rem/B3/B3/Emilia team would lead to some hilarious post-match stats. Highest DPS could be anyone (well probably Doro)
dapper oar
gatrix
dapper oar
do i 10/7/7 rem
olive scarab
skill issue
golden ridge
I did the maths.
Oh.
10/4/7
Or 10/4/10
Emilia is the one who doesnt need burst leveled unless its for Nihilister (in which case need 7)
But is it?
Does it have to be 7?
Where the fuck did @static maple get 7 from
dapper oar
i havent tested explosion range in pve
static maple
Wdym
dapper oar
7 is for pvp splash
golden ridge
Nihilister
dapper oar
iirc
static maple
Where the fuck did <@390152688605593603> get 7 from
PVE range? Nihilister needs 6
golden ridge
See 6
Why need 7
Usseless
Dont burst with her in arena and save 7 days of grinding
static maple
Bich because
PvP needs 7
So I recommend upping it to 7 regardless
golden ridge
No I don't
Id leave it at 6
7/7/6 in particular
2B ate too much
If I hadnt invested in 2B
Last raid
I would have 10/10/7 her
static maple
Who are you talking wbout
golden ridge
where did it bring you?
2100 gems
static maple
You would upgrade Emilia skill 1?
golden ridge
Lmao
static maple
To 10?
proper plaza
static maple
Why do you want rem burst to 10
dapper oar
hand over ur books
golden ridge
2B, Drake, and Guillo are in line for resets.
Already.
Half anniv, all back to 1 1 1.
dapper oar
i already reset 2b and never had drake 
unborn surge
Guil for elysuon tower 
proper plaza
golden ridge
Dont
golden ridge
If Rem is to stay
Then Emilia is to stay as well
And next half Anniv is gonna be SG
@proper plaza was Tove after RH?
static maple
Yeah, right after
golden ridge
When was Leona and PrivM?
One after another?
RedHood SR
Tove AR
XLud MG, XMica SMG
SBS RL
Leona SG
PrivM SG
Moran AR
Elegg MG
D Killer Wife SR
Emilia RL
Rem MG
Ram SR
SG and AR are appearing soon.
SMG too.
worldly fulcrum
dropping 2 cdr almost back to back would be crazy
static maple
dropping 2 cdr almost back to back would be crazy
Not really
They can just not drop a cdr again
Also it's half anniv lol
Doro was a cdr
Right after sakura
limber gulch
Just curious, I skimmed through the prydwen review and I’m curious why Emilia is given SS for both story ratings and also SS for PvP considering it seems like her use in PvP is far above pve use. The article even says she is only a “solid situational unit to use for campaign”?
proper plaza
because she hits very hard on mob
harder than A2
and A2 is considered very great for clearing constantly
this was when A2 dealt double dmg on S2
Emilia is even better than this, so you tell me, is she great?
note that it was 37% deficit
which serves the condition of this tierlist (>30%)
limber gulch
Ok that makes sense. Didn’t realize that there was a hard criteria for the letter rankings regarding story. It just felt like the article itself was underselling her Pve performance and praising her PvP yet they both had the same letter rating.
oak marsh
Emilia is even better than this, so you tell me, is she great?
but isnt high cp deficit in campaign all about nuke boss fast? she fail at that role though
worldly fulcrum
Not really
They can just not drop a cdr again
well i mean like dkw and then a pilgrim cdr
oak marsh
how to get to boss
use modernia burst
surreal sorrel
Emilia is S tier and above? 
proper plaza
yeah have you seen A2 clear that stage
pretty much burst then auto lol
no mald, nothing
oak marsh
maybe cuz i just want another b3 can nuke boss (not alice) when pair with mod, emi isnt that appealing
proper plaza
hidden fossil
surreal sorrel
Emilia is probably going to suck when it comes to beating up a typical wave boss
But often it isn’t the issue of killing that wave boss in a vacuum, it’s also a problem of getting there sufficiently intact… or clearing the enemies that escort it
Kind of like how Harran might be still viable for wave stages
But at least Emilia does much better against bosses that have parts you’re supposed to destroy, than Harran
proper plaza
most ver 1 Lord class bosses don't have parts
may be Laitance?
rebuilt version, well
static maple
Kind of like how Harran _might_ be still viable for wave stages
Damage too low
She just stops one shotting
Completely
Harran when 35% deficit hits
buoyant rivet
is she worth to get?
surreal sorrel
Depends on how many other great S tier or better you have
And your priorities
She’s good to get for PvP, Solo Raid, and even PvE. Check pins for more information
surreal sorrel
<:pthua:642696667338113027>
Got a better idea to blow away everyone’s minds
Emilia + A2!
wraith kraken
Emilia + A2!
Rem/A2/SBS/RH maybe with Tia will try it in campaign
Emilia is taking some time to nuke mobs
The problem as always are skill books to do fast test ...
Another idea is to burst with A2 first and let her stay in mode B with Rem sustaining her, you can then forget her and burst with 2 other DPS like SBS, Emilia ... during the fight
Anyway it's needing test
acoustic timber
Im definitely pulling for rem, but is it worth it to still pull emilia if i already have sbs and laplace as my rl b3s
surreal sorrel
The problem as always are skill books to do fast test ...
In theory one could do test with trial Emilia in shooting range
You can just multiply Emilia’s final damage by the number of expected parts for a close approximation
vapid tiger
how hard we skipping @static maple ? 
static maple
how hard we skipping <@390152688605593603> ? <:ScarletHeh:1041313462200041512>
One copy
static maple
You don't PvP now? Momo left your PvP server iirc
static maple
Damn
vapid tiger
I am the evil one now
static maple
I am the evil one now
Get one copy for PvP or mlb if you wanna solo raid / prep for champs I'd say
vapid tiger
Get one copy for PvP or mlb if you wanna solo raid / prep for champs I'd say
Fk that ,I'm probably uninstalled by then
Saving for rem
Best unit
icy zealot
no overlame collab. Konosuba > Tanya > ReZero Pt2 > Do 0 more collabs > Overlame
limber gulch
yeah overlame is truly lame
unborn surge
Boku no pico collab
low egret
vapid tiger
I need albedo the rest can go
hidden fossil
Im expecting long term to have her 10 10 10
But no skill mats
We need perma full burst days
olive scarab
I keep seeing people keeping emilia's burst at lvl 4
Her Burst adds very little to her overall damage. If we ignore the range buff it's basically a Noir tier burst (ok, slightly better than Noir but not by much)
Level 6 is enough for the range buff to enable hitting multiple parts with Nihilister.
Level 7 is enough to hit all 5 enemy. Nikke in PvP
These are both niche enough that many are keeping her at 4.
icy zealot
also most are saving to dump into Rems Burst which will have greater return
proper plaza
why are we still in Noir fiesta?
each diff of Emilia burst vs 3 hits RL is 3x times Noir burst
what the hell is this barely different
mighty jewel
u use noir burst so mod doesn’t burst 
proper plaza
fact
I don't even remember Noir burst effect
it deals some forgetful dmg, meaningless hit rate
and not letting Mod burst
icy zealot
I've only used noir burst for mod. Only Minas uses it for dps
timid sonnet
how far is this true
icy zealot
how far is this true
it lines up well with what pins say and from what others are posting in many sources
S2 really carries her in PVE
hidden fossil
tbh idk how most ppl push story but from what i see in really high hard mode levels
is just tia naga mod alice rh or tia liter naga mod rh
p much no one else other than ocassionally slotting some ele in
sour ingot
Can she instant kill elite rapture in hard stage to get SS tier 
mighty jewel
Can she instant kill elite rapture in hard stage to get SS tier <:PES_ThinkAbout...
probably not if MW can’t do it either. everyone use alice for target rushing in campaign for a reason.
sour ingot
Right, that tier list look like a bait for me
sour ingot
Well my MW is shiet so have to use SW instead
But look like Emilia can't be alternative ATM
mighty jewel
if there’s 20 mobs in the screen with the target and the 20 procs of s2 hit the target, maybe
but otherwise
icy zealot
I never understood why a lot of people hate prydwen
NIKKE GG does present a lot more information, whereas Prydwen was at first very bare aside from the tier list
overall, its just opinions
but when it comes to tier list, visually, I think Prydwens is miles above the one NIKKE GG uses
as I think NIKKE GG's tier list is not visually organized well
olive scarab
Prydwen was the one which had separate tier lists for current bugged vs theoretical non bugged on game launch right?
I've always had a soft spot for them after that
hidden fossil
Nikke gg people are in my union and i still use prdywen
twin vortex
I never understood why a lot of people hate prydwen
golden ridge
how far is this true
Very true.
Prydwen is the most valid one.
Nikke.gg has always given the same review as Prydwen.
Nikke.gg even said they copied Prydwen, and that's why their reviews are mostly late. I mean 1 person vs 3 people.
It's just Prydwen has many haters.
When everything is backed up by a lot of sources.
By many top rankers in SR and campaign tryhards.
proper plaza
I will wait for Nikke.gg
nikke gg gives same review
Nikke gg is correct, prydwen bad
golden ridge
They have always had.
Look at SBS Story rating.
Literally the exact same fucking wording.
But they don't get backlashed.
People just listen to their desires and ego, my friend.
proper plaza
everytime people ask for SBS clearing, I show them 244F
icy zealot
It's just Prydwen has many haters.
golden ridge
Haters gonna hate.
proper plaza
most haven't reached that point
icy zealot
As for which one is accurate, I think they both are
proper plaza
golden ridge
Prydwen's becoming popular thanks to the controversy, however.
icy zealot
Criteria is similar enough with different takes
rugged viper
In ludmommy we believe
golden ridge
And so far, Prydwen is still leading versus Nikke.gg.
Based on web analytics.
It doesn't matter.
icy zealot
And so far, Prydwen is still leading versus Nikke.gg.
i go to gg for skill data and cube/overload to look at what they say
but i just learned a couple days ago pry has skill data now too
golden ridge
i go to gg for skill data and cube/overload to look at what they say
That's all right.
icy zealot
and, once again, the presentation for skill data on pry is better
proper plaza
prydwen won't have skill per lv. Something I can guarantee
icy zealot
at the end of the day, use what you like.. I use both for different reasons
golden ridge
Prydwen just needs reconfirmation from Skyjlv, Timmaeus, and maybe Kira/Austin, or other creators.
icy zealot
Having multiple opinions on a "tier list" can be healthy. And tier lists dont really capture where the player is at anyways in the righ way
golden ridge
People listen to creators more.
golden ridge
Most.
icy zealot
didnt even know who sky was until a few days ago
I know tim cause he has a cool discord with cute stickers
golden ridge
Thats dumb
icy zealot
Thats dumb <:wahahaha:1008472874513870882>
nah its not dumb. I dont watch those kind of people for any game. I am not their audience so makes no sense for me to know them
remote wind
icy zealot
regardless. I look forward to seeing how Nikke.gg rates emilia
and cant wait to see how rem truly interacts with her
icy zealot
who runs it
icy zealot
sounds good
simple rock
People listen to creators more.
i usually avoids cc cuz above all most cc want the view/clicks so their review mostly on the opposite side of both ends (OP vs useless) cuz its more clickbaity than just "eh its okay"
i trust google spreadsheet created by discord theorycrafters more XD (though i think some cc also involved in this works)
icy zealot
i usually avoids cc cuz above all most cc want the view/clicks so their review m...
thats my take too. I dont want to sit through a 2 minute conversation begging you to like and subscribe, then going on some stupid tangent before getting to the meat
which i wont accuse sky or tim doing because i dont know them
but at the end of the day, people DO like it because they like the "personality" and the entertainment, so they have value. At the end of the day, they make money on it, and some make a LOT. They have charisma, so they are pretty good.
obtuse prism
sky do extensive test, you can thrust him
golden ridge
Tim and SkyJlv are pretty neutral
Zxous is pretty biased
And likes following drama/trends
terse portal
golden ridge
On the other hand we have one more
icy zealot
I dont judge them as bad. I just dont care for it. They are successful in something I couldnt ever do. So they are better than me in that aspect. I can admit that
simple rock
i watch sky video once, jesus christ he indeed do the speeadsheet shenanigans which is good
but for tim personally i found him can be a bit clickbaity sometimes
icy zealot
the whole Emilia thing though
proper plaza
Sku has Altros to back him up, his review is definitely worth listening to
icy zealot
i see so many damn clickbait titles
golden ridge
Tim is a generic comtent creator
icy zealot
id rather just lurk here ask questions and harass @proper plaza until he tells me
proper plaza
but lastest Sky video was 5 days ago, so it could be outdated
simple rock
but lastest Sky video was 5 days ago, so it could be outdated
damn 5 days ago info is considered outdated, this update cycle is crazy XD
golden ridge
damn 5 days ago info is considered outdated, this update cycle is crazy XD
Any first day review is always outdated
simple rock
fair enough
proper plaza
hit so many targets
simple rock
what i enjoy the most in the discord though, seeing real time shift from mocking a char kit pre release to praising it post release XD
and vice versa
golden ridge
what i enjoy the most in the discord though, seeing real time shift from mocking...
Excuse me
Im never wrong
I didnt shittalk Emilia
I was the only one who said Emilia was broken
My review is never wrong
Valkin's probably not wrong but he takes 30 days
And Austin says every char is mid except Elegg and Moran
Which are kinda mid
golden ridge
- Never trust Austin.
- Always trust me.
- Never trust Snake.
- Consider trusting Gatrix when he is arguing without his sheet as proof.
- Trust Valkin 99% of the time.
simple rock
golden ridge
He gave an L advice once in maincord.
proper plaza
proper plaza
look at this baldsenix
golden ridge
Prydwen will get 90% dislikes.
proper plaza
golden ridge
What Valkin said was:
- Mod doesn't need hitrate OL.
And everyone somehow agrees.
- Forgets the fact that in Campaign, you are out of Burst half of the time.
proper plaza
that sounds like Austin
golden ridge
that sounds like Austin
No.
Austin wouldn't say that.
Unless he specifically mentions for bossing it's fine.
hidden fossil
And Austin says every char is mid except Elegg and Moran
moran was morgod for 30 days shut it
hidden fossil
idk how u guys play campaign lol
golden ridge
Thats what he said.
hidden fossil
u dont need hit rate evne for campaign
golden ridge
u dont need hit rate evne for campaign
Actually you do
hidden fossil
at this point i just assume u guys r playing wrong
golden ridge
hidden fossil
@golden ridge wat do u think about
emilia into mother whale
should be busted right?
im on the campaign boss for mother whale in hard mode
maybe i wait till rem comes out and fight and record
liter rem a2 emilia noir?
wait
no noir
olive scarab
You'll know Nikke GG is stealing when it steals the typos too
Lowers her charge time considerably to increase charge damage for one shot.
If Nikke GG also accidentally says Emilia's burst lowers charge time, as opposed to lowering charge speed or increasing charge time, we know they're pure thieves without doubt
hidden fossil
@tribal grail better not catch u plagiarising
tribal grail
Time to plagiarize
Pretty sure Prydwen's web analytics counts for literally the whole domain
tribal grail
although i am surprised according to the web analytic that
around 44ish%? view nikke.gg and the rest for prydwen in the tier list
when my tier list is
visually extremely inferior
Not even my most viewed thing on nikke.gg either
mighty jewel
what is
i wonder if the advise cheatsheet table that I yoinked to a personal google sheet and have it in a pinned tab count as views
tribal grail
Welp, time to actually do work or something
tribal grail
although i am surprised according to the web analytic that
around 44ish%? view n...
it's time for me to expand to HSR
AHHAHAHAHAHHA
that's great.
tribal grail
Absolutely based ads
mighty jewel
i'm surprised they even do ads
surreal sorrel
Nikke.gg still has no tier for Emilia, Prydwen has S and SS tiers for Emilia
I have no idea what tier she is because of her niche as RL like A2, but would say whatever tier A2 was, it should be absolutely at least the same in PvE and better in PvP for Emilia
Nikke.gg has Story/Boss at S+/S for A2
ocean widget
Emilia for most people rn is probably mid cuz saving mats and gear exp for Rem 
proper plaza
Re:mid
dapper oar
im still confused what u mean 
proper plaza
Just do it
ocean widget
Emilia's performing much better than I'd expected with low investment, so that's nice at least
ocean widget
I call it first
What do you think is going to underperform compared to expectations?
surreal sorrel
Did anyone test if Emilia’s burst selfbuff is considered a debuff?
Does Ade backstab Emilia like she does A2?
surreal sorrel
I view that as a pure bug, ShiftUp needs to get up and reclassify this better
ocean widget
I mean, this has existed since Cocoa came out. 
And Privaty shows that it's not a bug, but simply how they decided to implement the skills coding-wise 
cuz unless I'm remembering wrong, Privaty's ATK buff remains even if the Max Ammo debuff is cleansed
surreal sorrel
I say it’s a bug, and the reason is most likely because they added on dispels later
In other words, dispel (or more aptly named “cleanse”) didn’t exist in the game at all
proper plaza
What do you think is going to underperform compared to expectations?
She has insane base
But same like guillo
Too hard to buff her
ocean widget
But considering she's primarily a healer that outdamages any other healer, doesn't that make her auto-meta?
oak marsh
elegg?
ocean widget
Novel's been dead for a few raids now, no?
mighty jewel
novel is kinda dead because there's not enough cdr b1's
dapper oar
my highest atker is limping
mighty jewel
or any cdr b3
ocean widget
Also because Novel is garbage overall
mighty jewel
if there's a b3 cdr, pepper+novel can be a thing
ocean widget
Good burst (once she actually gets stacks), but completely useless as a Defender and deals no damage
mighty jewel
pepper heals and make novel stack up faster
ocean widget
She's literally just her burst
dapper oar
She's literally just her burst
thats like all our snipers tbf
mighty jewel
but ofc that means you manual pepper
ocean widget
thats like all our snipers tbf
Which is why B2 snipers don't exist (aside from circle-popper Eunhwa last raid)
mighty jewel
dolla as a b2 sniper 
ocean widget
If Dolla didn't have CDR, 🚮
surreal sorrel
I’ll just wait for Rem kit, it sounds good, detailed analysis can wait ‘til people find out whether the hype is real 
oak marsh
Which is why B2 snipers don't exist <:kek:798677933253853245> (aside from circl...
you forgot best b2 for pil tower?
ocean widget
<:pain:1009044093315330111> you forgot best b2 for pil tower?
Noah? 
ocean widget
Yeah, Dorothy + Noah + Mod burst = permanent burst chain 
My shard is dead anyway, so towers are 
mighty jewel
dapper oar
rem prob the strongest SS in that list
proper plaza
I will suggest dropping all current SS to S
dapper oar
dapper oar
engraved on tomestone "not duo" - gatrix 2024
dapper oar
i think marciana having a spot there really shows u the state of b2 non duo
proper plaza
I actually want to make it like this
D and Doro feel like clown comparing to Liter and Tia
dapper oar
i think d is pretty good
due to current meta
surely she will get either rh alice or maxwell
right
proper plaza
which supports 2 units
dapper oar
or multiple of them
dapper oar
Only good cuz of our good snipers atm 
ocean widget
Wait for Crown pierce RL 
dapper oar
How does pierce rl even mean
surreal sorrel
I actually want to make it like this
Dorothy downshift by 1 tier makes sense.
D.Wife downshift by 1 tier… I disagree and agree. Maybe make her SS+ if it exists, or leave her rounded up to SSS.
dapper oar
I think if/when rh and Alice aren't as
ocean widget
Dorothy being incompatible with ammo increases makes her automatically below Liter imo
ocean widget
Liter can go into practically any team
dapper oar
people used to ride Doro because of her dmg
Wait til they tell u the burst hits parts
dapper oar
surreal sorrel
good because of 2 units
Also good because of the ability to bless squad with 2nd burst cycle no-waiting burst compared to using Liter/Volume/Dorothy
dapper oar
I think if our parts were like blacksmith
Where they exist the whole time
Doro is pretty good
surreal sorrel
Something I want to ask as well, do we downgrade other units if something comes out that powercreeps them?
dapper oar
They just kinda murdered all the parts HP since she came tho
surreal sorrel
Say something is released that does double everything Red Hood can do
worldly fulcrum
doro has the issue of basically no supporting capability
dapper oar
Something I want to ask as well, do we downgrade other units if something comes ...
I say yes
dapper oar
It's better to knock down tiers than flood ur sss
To the point where it has no meaning
proper plaza
we demoted A2 because Emilia is just better A2
yep
that's why D and Doro
will be D
I mean SS
worldly fulcrum
liter and D can move between technically any team
surreal sorrel
Liter moves into S Anis team
S Anis shoots Liter, “get your filthy max ammo buff away from me!”
lyric herald
she only has one team
doro doesnt just have one team shes just much better in that team so theres no reason to put her elsewhere especially since other teams can benefit from buffer supports
surreal sorrel
How much weaker does Dorothy get if she is in a max ammo squad? Like bunnies?
Let’s focus on the pure CDR part
lyric herald
ive used her with bunnies in campaign plenty, most of the time my cdr was just fine
surreal sorrel
So probably Dorothy is also “technically any team” fine too
dapper oar
it depends how much of a malder u are
my d at lvl 7 was not fine for me
i saw 1s cd
lyric herald
i gotta say tho i dont have my noir skill maxed that gives ammo so maybe there is some misplay if its a maxed skill, i think i have it on 6?
surreal sorrel
The lack of cover repair and instant gratification on burst is why she can’t handle Smol Liter
lyric herald
damn u really see cd with level 7? 
i didnt last union raid on the alice sbs team
ocean widget
Dorothy with bunnies (maxed Noir) with a high burst gen unit like Alice will see potentially up to 5s delay
if you're using a slow-gen comp like Modlet, then it doesn't cause much issue
I can't stand Dorothy with bunnies
worldly fulcrum
doro gets potentially cucked a lot yeah
lyric herald
if u play it well it really is not that bad
if u burst right when doro reloads u can get x2 cdr back to back
full burst i mean
like u start the burst and she goes on reload
then u full burst
and get another
lyric herald
shes a 60 ammo unit its really not that hard to do
dapper oar
ya but if u delay ur full burst by 1-2s
u basically lost 1-2s of cdr
since ur next burst cycle is delayed 1-2s ect
lyric herald
im pretty sure u dont miss a full burst rotation overall but maybe im wrong i havent tested it properly 
lyric herald
but either way i wouldnt really put her with bunnies in most cases anyway, as u say its better to just do red hood now
dapper oar
over 3 min boss fight i would expect some loss if u even delay 1s asuming ur team has the gen
proper plaza
it's so simple
Doro during fb = 1 ~ 2 proc S1 max
Doro during FB with priv = 3 ~ 4 proc S1, max
golden ridge
Rem is def SSS
golden ridge
U have no power
proper plaza
rugged viper
Can Emilia with good overloads one shoot chatterbox or blacksmith in SI EX?
Chatty has 3 parts and blacky 2
worldly fulcrum
probably not
iirc only SW nuke can do that
and hers isn’t as good as maxwell’s right
rugged viper
I mean, I'll continue using Rh cuz she is auto free everything
But more options are always good
oak marsh
Can Emilia with good overloads one shoot chatterbox or blacksmith in SI EX?
4x atk 4x ele + wait 30s for yulha s2 lvl10, maybe
tribal grail
My rather unraised Emilia
Dealt 30m on BS
Surely
With
70% more ED and skill levels
slender oak
snake is gone for a while 
sand cloak
You know what they should put in order from best to least for each tier in nikke gg
gloomy goblet
solemn kelp
I mean, I'll continue using Rh cuz she is auto free everything
wat kinda comp do you run to accomplish auto train?
golden ridge
<@390152688605593603>
Its just prydwen haters
sacred citrus
I’m stealing this
humble bluff
damn prydwn said emelia better than A2, cap or nah
mighty jewel
check if it's written by chatgpt
proper plaza
he ran the math then said burst doesn't gain much dmg compared to just shoot
burst just deals double dmg compared to normal shooting and not much
I guess SS is mid, in the end
mighty jewel
ah yes the squarespace of Nikkeverse
tribal grail
You know what they should put in order from best to least for each tier in nikk...
you know what
that should be a thing
that should've been done ages ago
tribal grail
he ran the math then said burst doesn't gain much dmg compared to just shoot
comparing it to other Nikkes with much more valuable bursts
yeah, not much
sand cloak
you know what
that should be a thing
🙏
tribal grail
I told the person that handles the tier list already
well make it exist rather
Also planning a char page reformat
but no idea when he'll get that done
i always have to poke him for stuff
dude just forgets
because he handles other websites
tribal grail
check if it's written by chatgpt
i fucking wish
i can just chat gpt and call it a day
fuck
these reviews take me like a 2 hours to write
that's like
so long
olive scarab
https://nikke.gg/emilia-best-builds-teams-and-how-to-play/
team 4/5 solo raid is still having an identity crisis.
Whoever wrote this, amazing job
Only Good Water Element AoE DPS as of now, which does add variety when tackling element based content, more specifically campaign
Vesti last seen lying dead in a ditch, rip
proper plaza
damn
the amount of empathy comments in Nikke.gg thread are so many
in a meantime
I don't even want to click the Prydwen thread in leddit
tribal grail
> team 4/5 solo raid is still having an identity crisis.
Whoever wrote this, am...
I'm
Literally here
icy zealot
Team 4/5 is more in shambles for the less invested/F2P or newer players
so it isn't an inaccurate statement
olive scarab
I'm
Literally here
Wow expecting me to pay attention to names in a discord server smh
olive scarab
Team 4/5 is more in shambles for the less invested/F2P or newer players
I mean what are the burst 1 options for starters
- Liter
- D Waifu version
- Doro
- Volume
- Miranda???
hidden fossil
i talk to snake and snake talks to sgay and sgay talk to me uwu
tribal grail
hidden fossil
tho sgay extra gay lately
icy zealot
I mean what are the burst 1 options for starters
- Liter
- D Waifu version
- D...
Yes, but to have a good team 4/5, you need to have a lot of resources for investment. Even now its still difficult. Most High tier whales /medium spenders dont have this issue, but a majority of the playerbase still suffers having a team4/5 they arent just blindly throwing at the boss
Burst 1 commons include also SMary and pending the fight some use Sakura
icy zealot
Team 1-3
1b+ damage
Team 4-5
400M~
most people I know still barely struggle to get 200m
400m+ is not common in the regular playes
olive scarab
I think team 4/5 are partly in crisis because that's where you adjust based on boss
While teams 1-3 are strong regardless of element etc
icy zealot
These guides are great, but dont forget, most people that arent spending or are light spenders
Still struggle to get key units
Team Comps are often based on having some solid investment, not 1/1/1 or 4/4/4.
Lots of people still struggle to even get T9M equipment
The units that do well in there tend to require too much for them to be able to play, or are just flat out awkward to begin with
then, their team 4/5 dies within the first QTE because they cant survive past it or break the turret enough. Skill issue? I mean, if they are playing at a high high level, sure, but a lot of times its dozens of resets.
So, I think its a fair writing that team 4/5 is basically dead until we get ez units
olive scarab
Breaking turrets is giving me trauma from the damn orb boss which summons turrets everywhere.
As a phone players they spawn off screen so often, I don't see them until they've started firing 
On the flip side some definitely feel easier to aim on the smaller screen
Would be interesting to compare which bosses are easier on horizontal vs vertical mode
tribal grail
Because now
They have to pull rem and MAYBE emilia
On a surprise collab
And God knows how many people are yor up
I mean d: killer wife
deft herald
Ha, weakass Emilia and my team don't have Emilia or one-shot NIKKE type.
Top 10 pvp btw.
I fail to get Emilia...
icy zealot
I fail to get Emilia...
its a bad comp
to begin with
so they deserve to lose
and judging from the damage, probably didnt invest in her properly
proper plaza
that comp actually had idea
probably inspired by Keripo
the idea is: Emilia hits like isekai worker - a truck
so you just use Privaty to stall while Emilia shoots
golden ridge
and judging from the damage, probably didnt invest in her properly
She doesnt even burst...
icy zealot
She doesnt even burst...
rip
olive scarab
Emilia not bursting is probably better in PvP unless you're explicitly trying to counter a Noah
Just use her for damage and burst gen
tight terrace
that
and
tier list always makes controversial shit
like 99% game i know
199%*
me checking the site
rugged viper
Red hood is everywhere, powercreep when?
Imagine try +40% deficit in campaign without rh
icy zealot
people are just really salty over the stupidest shit
and taking it out on the collab because their waifu didnt get in the collab
mighty jewel
yea man, my felix didn't get in the collab
tribal grail
My review:
Don't pull her
Comment: don't get tricked into pulling her
My tier list numbering admittedly is pretty flawed atm
Should find a way to fix that so it's a bit more
Clear
9 is simply too high to give a "good" nikke
Auster is such a fiend for making this system
icy zealot
My Review:
Pull if she cute
golden ridge
I am planning to reformat Prydwen tier list to allow for 2 dimensional ratings, as an alternative option and a renewed design of tier list.
Since the current one is evaluated as strength + usability, it does not reflect the real world.
The redesign will separate strength & usability, allowing users to understand which units are universally good or have niche potential.
tight terrace
proper plaza
tight terrace
Sss red hood pvp
that was a general tier list. not for pvp exclusively
static maple
Since the current one is evaluated as strength + usability, it does not reflect ...
No you're not
tight terrace
it doesn't matter if your judgement is the issue
golden ridge
No you're not
Hush
fleet swan
hey how good is emilia for pvp?
slender oak
god
fleet swan
for pvp is 4/4/4 good enough? no OL
slender oak
hey how good is emilia for pvp?
slender oak
for pvp is 4/4/4 good enough? no OL
iirc you want burst at least on lvl 6 so she hits all enemies
fleet swan
i see
i dunno if i can afford burst books though
4th best burst gen?
whos the other 3? jackal centi and noah?
slender oak
Anis = Jackal > Centi > Emilia
surreal sorrel
The redesign will separate strength & usability, allowing users to understand wh...
You can have a character that deals 9,999,999 fixed damage to everything on screen, four times a second, for 3 minutes, activates at battle start, and it’d be SSS+ tier for strength but F tier for usability if the only place you could deploy this OP unit was in Union Shooting Range.
Are you talking about something like this?
Somehow you’ve managed to confuse me 👀
When you talk about real world, seems like you’re saying you want to factor in whether the unit is realistically deployed as part of popular meta squads?
I think it’s probably excessive
Just rate by usability
Hence, the OP unit I mentioned, just give it F tier for all but Union Shooting Range
You’d have to do something like divide by role and grade there if you wanted to encapsulate all possible usability situations
Something like this. 👀
CDR | BUFFER | TANK | HEALER | DPS
Good luck 👀
ocean widget
What I think would be nice to see is a tier list that shows tier scaling of sort based on investment. A big issue with meta comps for majority of players, especially F2P, is resource availability
Like a Snow White or Alice with little skill investment is pretty much useless, while a Helm at 4/4/4 pretty much does her job
So system with essentially the "Skills 10" as the basic display with a secondary/tertiary "Skill 4" and "Skill 7" display on the individual page could be nice
wraith kraken
yes right, it's why my Alice is still 4/1/4 and ofc no OL gears so she is far to be SS tier on my side and not sure she will be one day at the rythm we are getting skills mats and with likely strong units coming
I understand the business purpose of their pack to sell skills but it's also to the detriment of the fun to build many teams and play/test what we want and not only Meta units
surreal sorrel
So something like 3 skill thresholds? But what about combination of skill levels? 😑
hidden fossil
Rem god