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#[Emilia] New Unit Megathread
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proper plaza
alright
hidden fossil
godmillia damage is inside her first shot of burst
hidden fossil
my guess is it removes both
proper plaza
any b1 is fine
same here
A2 flashback
but just verify
can be Jackal too for fast burst
just want to check if Ade cleanses the charge dmg too
should remove both, I held the buff till next rotation
then burst with mica
debuff is gone, so does the charge dmg
it's okay
if the debuff doesn't exist
so does the buff
they are bound together
hidden fossil
@proper plaza
emilia's s1 says it updates dynamically
for her max ammo
have u tried to see what happens with liter max ammo from s1
proper plaza
tried
hidden fossil
does liter s1 make her charge damage go up then?
proper plaza
yes, and down too
hidden fossil
well
proper plaza
there's an exception
proper plaza
small indie company too
hidden fossil
isnt it more
hidden fossil
dont u get 5 from noir s2
hidden fossil
oh wait
proper plaza
proper plaza
her S1 is copium, but whatever
proper plaza
10/10/10, I know you will
hidden fossil
4 10 10
proper plaza
hidden fossil
no
proper plaza
hidden fossil
proper plaza
her basic is actually her main dmg
hidden fossil
@golden ridge buy me skill mats
proper plaza
the burst is just cherry on top
golden ridge
<@308926283482398720> buy me skill mats
You never share ur secrets and keep calling me baldsenix then say I cook poison
hidden fossil
all three are true yes
golden ridge
So no
hidden fossil
priotize support over DPS
im looking at emilia skills
they dont look too crazy scaling
while raising rem burst and s1 is guaranteed usage going forward
but ima have both at 4 4 4 for a bit
proper plaza
Kira hasn't put Rem into his sheet yet?
she's strong indeed but doesn't look too strong to me
especially we will face no core bitch this time
hidden fossil
yea well it depends
if nihlil has a core or not
at the beginning
u nvr know they might add it lol
golden ridge
im looking at emilia skills
Emilia S2 is literally 1.5% more dmg per level
Which has one of the best scaling
hidden fossil
Emilia S2 is literally 1.5% more dmg per level
im not raising shit till challenge mode comes out
watch parts die in one auto
proper plaza
yeah
the worst situation
nihi with body alone
so many stuck on Nihi for that reason
no core, no part
proper plaza
it has a lot of flaws indeed
they may not be able to noah block it
but they can definitely use Noise to negate 1 buffer
Emilia needs at least 1 buffer to pwn everyone
surreal sorrel
Nice stuff to return to
proper plaza
Noise prevents that, so now all are at 30% hp left only
surreal sorrel
Emilia overturned pre-release impressions, now she’s good at PvP as a burst gen minimum, attacker’s choice for nuking in some cases
And solid PvE with advantage against water-weak that has multiple parts and no core, like Nihilister most of her battle
proper plaza
shouldn't require more than 1 ATK buff
unless, of course, you are in deficit
too little burst and S2 lv
surreal sorrel
Maybe Rem will shock us by being top 1 burst gen 😂
surreal sorrel
She buffs RLs there’s that buffer Emilia is wanting
hidden fossil
god rem will save this game
surreal sorrel
But if Rem’s pretty bad burst gen then won’t fit in, maybe
hidden fossil
by inflating the whales who can core 7 her
icy zealot
@proper plazawuth happened to your sheet
proper plaza
icy zealot
I was comparing the charts from yesterday and today
first table in ranking is by themselves right?
the first table is dramatically different in 24 hours for every unit
Oh looking at the sim, seems you set it so Emilia is for 4 parts?
proper plaza
yep
icy zealot
so you are basically setting it up for Nihil
proper plaza
yeah, has to remove core too
icy zealot
now it makes sense
proper plaza
phase 2 has core, but good luck aiming it
nihi shakes her head like harlem shake damn it
icy zealot
So looking at your sheet, due to elem weakness, no core and 4 parts
it isnt even close
proper plaza
I haven't put teams too. For now I'm just checking which team gives a certain Nikke the most
timid sonnet
don't we need abnormal tower by now
clever mountain
thanks to Emilia, i went from Diamond 3 to Diamond 1 in Special Arena today
should i have her Burst 3 first?
i currently have her in the 2nd slot
clever mountain
no
i still use her
☕
get it right granny
by the way what cube should Emilia have?
Onslaught?
remote wind
I slapped Wingman for now 
supple dune
Wouldn't adjutant be better
sour olive
is it worth it use gold mileage for emilia? already use 40k gem and 30 ticket got 1 ssr but still no emilia
clever mountain
1 copy should be enough
olive scarab
Is Emilia doing surprisingly well in PvE or is it just PvP where like almost all rocket launchers she's meta?
mighty jewel
pve needs more testing but the problem is there's not much freedom on how to test for pve
like when you need a boss to have multiple parts that respawn fast or are tanky and so on
swift halo
https://puu.sh/K3jQU/894f121d48.png hol up, isn't +100% charge damage kinda crazy?
swift halo
well, I mean, obviously you just [REDACTED] and then you [REDACTED] and, then like maybe a buff from someone and you're good, right?
slender oak
now you explain to me how to reach 50 ammo first
Liter, Rem, Noir, OL
slender oak
Noir is 5
swift halo
Next girl released is bout to have a "double all ammo+ buffs" skill or some shit, bet 
simple rock
Next girl released is bout to have a "double all ammo+ buffs" skill or some shit...
Tove but universal
Rip tove
swift halo
austere slate
Liter adds 3, Noir is 3, Rem is 5
Noir is 5
proper plaza
39
with Tove, it can go to 45
then Sim room buff by 3 = 48
oh wingman
enough for 50
now how to reach 51 to be capped
swift halo
honestly even just the 26 from OL would put her max charge at 300 which is pretty good on it's own
especially cause ammo is already a wanted OL for RLs anyway
give her charge speed and let her go brrr?
How high can you get charge speed without buffs?
olive scarab
Rem gives some right
proper plaza
ammo?
olive scarab
Yeah
proper plaza
on auto, RL and SR scale very bad on ammo
olive scarab
Oh you're calculating charge speed now
olive scarab
SU did promise to make full charge shots raise burst more which should help that
swift halo
Oh, you're right. My main sniper is Alice so I'm used to thinking in terms of her for buffs lol
proper plaza
only MG was highlighted with Ammo
olive scarab
Make auto RL/SR more competitive I mean
proper plaza
SBS is an example of impossible to m-san
olive scarab
Right now you always manual to get quick burst refill
swift halo
SU did promise to make full charge shots raise burst more which should help that
It'll be interesting to see what comes out of that. They're basically gonna have to rebalance the whole game for that.
proper plaza
not really
they just need to put static shooting animation to all RL/SR like SBS
different with M-san and auto is that 11 frames moving in/out cover
olive scarab
A cube which speeds up going in and out of cover would be neat
swift halo
If they buff auto RL and SR burst gen, that's just a hard buff to any team that has more than one because you can only manual one at a time. All RLs and SRs just become universally better.
olive scarab
Even teams with only one
Centi setups no longer have to abandon her full charge to reduce shield CD skill
Etc etc
proper plaza
the neat of being RL and SR is their moving in/out
without it
they are basically MG/AR
with lower RoF
olive scarab
I mean RL is all about the AoE
It's why they're used for bosses with parts etc
SR... Yeah that one is just AR with longer range
But it's like how MG would love a cube which reduces wind up time
austere slate
not as much as Bastion
swift halo
MG is the black mage of Nikke. "AoEs? Mechanics? Dodging? No. There is only uptime. Healers adjust." lmao
proper plaza
trust, the moment they remove Ammo OL
austere slate
If they buff auto RL and SR burst gen, that's just a hard buff to any team that ...
No, the buffed burst gen is only for the Nikke you are controlling at the moment
proper plaza
everyone will be pretty same square
m-san or auto are the same without ammo lol
and MG doesn't scale stupidly hard anymore
then we have SBS and Red
the black sheep
swift halo
No, the buffed burst gen is only for the Nikke you are controlling at the moment
Oh did they say that's how they're gonna do it? Pretty interesting solution.
austere slate
Oh did they say that's how they're gonna do it? Pretty interesting solution.
yes
it is mentioned in the dev notes
this way PvP has no changes
swift halo
Yeah that makes sense
austere slate
that's why there won't be any nerf to base burst gen values
grave perch
No, the buffed burst gen is only for the Nikke you are controlling at the moment
I wonder if that means you can rapidly switch to nikkes for more gen
austere slate
if they are full charging
but it's mentioned it's not as good as manual spam, it will just lower the gap between auto and manual
We will provide an additional burst gauge to SR/RL characters with reticles, based on the weapon’s charge time. The additional burst gauge and charge time will increase proportionally, and this will be applicable in both manual and auto battles. However, please note that this will not apply to the other four Nikkes without reticles. This way, the characters’ performance will not be compromised. There will still be a difference between auto battle and manual battle, but it won’t cause a significant gap, minimizing the difference in experience.
grave perch
time to frame perfect swap to nikkes who are about to shoot while rapid firing another in between
proper plaza
ikr
mighty jewel
looks like a job for the Marco man
static maple
Time to setup the new gaming chair I bought
obtuse prism
checking pins, she works well depending on the parts available and/or respawn count, so how many hits/parts are we looking at? im scared of another A2 situation lols
lofty sphinx
Now to figure out how much CP diff matters
twin vortex
no penalty there
static maple
Kindly upvote this bug report, thanks
https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1220354496413044757
obtuse prism
Im ready
oak marsh
and c20, except boss
reef harbor
proper plaza
<:BlancStare:1121783303922532403> and c20, except boss
did you use xlud to brute force Plate?
oak marsh
did you use xlud to brute force Plate?
You forgot im xludless
proper plaza
oh, so mod then?
oak marsh
Yes
oak marsh
Just mod and rh
proper plaza
120 bars lack for me
oak marsh
because else how can you deal with the glass
You can use rh alice and stall too
proper plaza
do you burst with mod?
oak marsh
Yes
mighty jewel
do the trick
obtuse prism
i also didnt whale, 29 multies
Do You want a hug?
static maple
because else how can you deal with the glass
You can cheese glass with Alice rh
proper plaza
I tried stalling too
proper plaza
170 bars lacking
I guess pierce through glass armor right?
may be I will try when I have some mood
icy zealot
Do You want a hug?
im fine. it wasnt Aqua so if I got that bad luck on Aqua i would have had to spend about 1000 USD
obtuse prism
sand cloak
Word im trying to resist using emilia on defense until her collab is over
Cant let the bracket know about emilia in pvp
compact onyx
Cant let the bracket know about emilia in pvp
guys can we please join arms and do this
i see many people with no Sanis in arena
sand cloak
Emilia skipper in shamble
cold nova
Has anyone tested Emilia vs mother whale? I was wondering if Emilias s2 can bypass the 1 hp mobs via fixed damage
celest lily
Answered my own question. Burst lv 6 can hit everyone from p1 to p5 in pvp
sand cloak
Has anyone tested Emilia vs mother whale? I was wondering if Emilias s2 can bypa...
she might be good against the mob
would love to see ppl using it
static maple
Also, what does her s2 do in pvp?
Give basically 58% more damage
static maple
Undiluted?
Final damage is basically
X + 58% of X
So if your overall nuke was 100, it will now be 158
So yeah, it's straight up a 58.99% damage buff
celest lily
Give basically 58% more damage
Ah. That’s nice
And that procs on her normal attacks and burst?
static pasture
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mellow citrus
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low egret
Oh wow
icy zealot
Pls say Core 7
Average core 7 is 450.
I only got 3 copies in 290. So I bought with tickets and I'm staying at mlb
reef harbor
surreal sorrel
Average core 7 is 450.
I only got 3 copies in 290. So I bought with tickets and...
Damn, this makes me feel better about MLB in 190 👀
Idk if core 7 is worth on Emilia
Considering you’re using her as an AoE nuker, it’s important to stack ATK as much as she can, especially base ATK
surreal sorrel
But this looks like she can’t be an effective defender for damage, but is an effective attacker, and if you’re unable to win with her on the attack due to being barely short on damage… you’d just change tactics
And the payoff for the victory in PvP?
A rank swap which is usually a couple more tickets or a couple more gems
So for MCB you’re getting more dmg on PvP in the case you would fail to kill if you were merely 0LB or MLB
All to get more arena tickets for redundant elemental codes that you’re probably already drowning in 
Or for a couple more gems which won’t help you if you’re beneath a whale in SP arena anyway
Better off looking at the PvE part and deciding if she’s worth MCB there
static maple
sand cloak
maturing stage rei > emilia > folkwang
really considering MLB for emilia since shes good in pvp, but would 1 copy of emilia be enough to nuke shot with a single buffer compared to MLB?
worldly fulcrum
really considering MLB for emilia since shes good in pvp, but would 1 copy of em...
i dont think either could nuke with a single buffer
worldly fulcrum
yeah
core 7 is like
25% more base attack than lb 0
so…
maybe it works with maxed rh buffing?
though you’d probably need dupes on her
i dont think its really worth it tbh
for just pvp you might get what
400 crystals more?
if we say you spend 150 for max lb
45,000 crystals spent
for a 400 increase?
game will EoS before you even see half of that investment back
terse portal
Average core 7 is 450.
I only got 3 copies in 290. So I bought with tickets and...
Average core 7 is 450 pulls? Oh god.
hidden fossil
Isnt it 550
molten blaze
Is her Must Pull Status still valid?
static maple
Everything the pin says is valid
mighty jewel
analog ether
@static maple @cloud raft question : what are some good team comps for emilia if a lower level player were to use them in campaign ?
Normal ofc
static maple
Show their box in #pve-team-building
analog ether
thanks bro
olive scarab
Dumb question just for fun, has anyone checked if Emilia's damage goes down with Privaty in the team reducing max ammo?
mighty jewel
eh the +charge damage is not that meaningful anyway
+2% per 1 ammo is kinda what
her s2 is the main course
olive scarab
I'm more just curious if her "buff" can become negative
E.g. lvl1 burst Emilia with Privaty should result in a negative total max ammo buff
olive scarab
Oh wait I've misread it
It's not 2% for every ammo after default
It's 2% for every ammo
So she gets 12% from the get go
Which privaty would then reduce to 6%
olive scarab
Yeah I was thinking this could a fun niche of buff vs debuff
And how the game handles it
But it never hits 0 / goes negative
It was never about practical relevance to Emilia herself, I know it's marginal difference
While we're talking about max ammo and how it works
I assume +100% max ammo doesn't give Maxwell/SW a second shot of burst?
hidden fossil
Dont think those update dynamically
But i wudnt be surprised if it bugs out one of these days
Shit up coding
olive scarab
I mean even if they had +100% when they activate burst
Wouldn't have to be dynamic since they're third in the burst order
Might try it later if I remember with a Liter/Noir meme team
hidden fossil
Yea i was thinking u can maybe bug it with noir refill
olive scarab
Would need to hit +100% since ia assume max ammo rounds down
olive scarab
Not a bug tho?????
It's a weapon swap
With max ammo of 1
+100% ammo would mean ammo of 2
Perfectly legal
Affects self. Change the Weapon in use: Charge Time: 2 sec Damage: 813.42% of final ATK Full Charge Damage: 300% of damage Max Ammunition Capacity: 1 round(s) Additional Effect: Pierce
Why list it as a weapon if you can't apply max ammo to it 
We know charge speed & damage both work
Unlike normal ST burst damage
proper plaza
strange
olive scarab
Yeah in theory enough OL lines on SW or Maxwell should massively buff their burst, but I guess it's hard coded because surely someone would've noticed by now if getting over 100% worked.
Stuff like Noir +5 max ammo would also be broken as fuck
proper plaza
urghh I don't know, numbers look small as heck
main slate
Ooof I was too fast I think
main slate
Not enuf damage
Problem solved 
weary whale
what investment for pvp ? for pve I guess if I have the top dogs already she's not outing anyone right ? also ol nah ?
sand cloak
Problem solved <a:yeaboi:842497313461239820>
Investment?
mighty jewel
what investment for pvp ? for pve I guess if I have the top dogs already she's n...
even outside of her icbm attack, she has really good burst gen, she can easily replace one of the clip shotguns whose only function was as burst battery
pepper, maiden, sugar, drake
icy zealot
Problem solved <a:yeaboi:842497313461239820>
vernal violet
Is her OL line priority ammo > atk > ele/charge dmg/spd I assume?
static maple
Is her OL line priority ammo > atk > ele/charge dmg/spd I assume?
4 ele
4 atk
2 ammo
2 charge speed (~8 to 8.5% charge speed is ideal with max lvl1 s2, adjust accordingly)
Total ideal rolls
icy zealot
are we seeing Charge Speed outperform Charge Damage
im assuming so since most are gonna Auto with her
in that case, if you arent giving her Bastion/Resil (due to overpopulation) what cubes are giving the most performance
static maple
are we seeing Charge Speed outperform Charge Damage
She already has 1500% charge damage
8-8.5% charge speed with max lvl1 will make her shoot 3 shots in 2.5rl, helping you shoot considerably more shots in 3 minutes
icy zealot
And cube?
static maple
And cube?
Bastion/reslience
Both are fine
Adjutant isnt bad either
There's no like
Bad cube tbh
She doesn't need any cube
Bastion > resil > adjutant (for PvP?) > Quantum (for niche PvP teams) > wingman
I guess
icy zealot
Yeah adjutant was what i was after
since my Bastion/Resil is already taken up
does her Burst lock her speed? So no speed affects it or it does slightly
static maple
does her Burst lock her speed? So no speed affects it or it does slightly
No, it's just additive to other speed effects
icy zealot
thats not as bad as I thought. thanks Snake for the results. She does decent numbers for middle players
proper plaza
Her auto hits as hard as a2 during burst but less targets in worst case
So you can run emil non burst in pvp
Should still hit like an isekai worker
A truck
Im cooking a team of noah pepper red hood rapu emil. You burst with red which forces them to answer with biscuit wall, but then silent dmg is from emilia will catch them off guard
3 rl btw
vernal violet
4 ele
4 atk
2 ammo
2 charge speed (~8 to 8.5% charge speed is ideal with max lvl...
pin this?
icy zealot
@static maple there was something i was wondering.
from the treasure preview, Frima was supposedly going to get a new stat that increases Effectiveness of True Damage
Do you think it will affect Emilia
icy zealot
should tell that to Prydwen then
lists her as "true damage"
im honestly just interested in seeing how she will rank on all the tier lists. I like these things
proper plaza
icy zealot
and this totally wasnt a bait post to get you to say she wasnt true damage to point out pry
icy zealot
proper plaza
icy zealot
Imagine if Frima does work though
would be wild
you know, when we even see what the hell they want to do with treasures in the first place I guess
then we can wait for Emilia's Treasure
twin vortex
you mean laplace no
icy zealot
● Laplace: enhancement to true damage
● Diesel: enhancement to Taunt and survival ability, increase of damage enhancing buff
● Frima: enhancement to EFF of true damage
● Exia: expansion and enhancement of applicable targets
Could 100% be a typo
let me check JP
●ラプラス：防御を無視したダメージの特性強化
●ディーゼル：挑発と生存能力強化およびダメージ増加バフの追加
●プリム：防御を無視したダメージの効率特性強化
●エクシア：攻撃力増加効果の適用対象拡大および強化
Basically says the same thing
"Enhanced damage efficiency characteristics that ignore defense"
icy zealot
makes sense. i just wanted to check frima in jp to see if it was a typo to begin with
mighty jewel
if mast can reduce a rapture's def to 0, is it true damage?
proper plaza
main slate
Investment?
Mine is lv 4 abnormal gears and 4/6/6 works fine but still plan to upgrade her more
vernal violet
4 ele
4 atk
2 ammo
2 charge speed (~8 to 8.5% charge speed is ideal with max lvl...
why do you need charge speed
static maple
8-8.5% charge speed with max lvl1 will make her shoot 3 shots in 2.5rl, helping ...
.
vernal violet
took around 9 rocks, im really not planning on rolling for cs, so i dont know how much im losing
static maple
took around 9 rocks, im really not planning on rolling for cs, so i dont know ho...
not neccesaary bruh
these are amazing rolls
better off rerolling super meta units instead
vernal violet
i rerolled top right piece and got 10% atk and less cs
vernal violet
better off rerolling super meta units instead
most of my meta units are already giga invested
gonna save the 
's for rem now
mighty jewel
so anyone tested emilia vs alteisen's mass parts yet?
her s2 can proc many times?
or at least triggered from hitting multiple parts?
surreal sorrel
her s2 can proc many times?
Yes, her S2 is per struck things
She launches the “rocket”, and if it hits train body, launcher, gun turret 1, gun turret 2, then her S2 procs on all of them at once, dealing to each of them S2 proc damage resulting from the individual damage it took.
It was described as being effectively a damage increase
So if S2 proc deals 40% damage, then it’s basically saying Emilia deals +40% more damage after all calculations
icy zealot
is Emilia a must pull?
frozen mist
thanks
surreal sorrel
Let’s talk a “friend” out of MCB Emilia:
Against:
- Can’t bring her to any manufacturer towers.
- Plenty of powerful Nikkes to focus on:
- Red Hood, Maxwell, Snow White (Iron)
- Alice, Modernia (Fire)
- BS.Scarlet (Wind)
- W.Ludmilla (Water)
- Scarlet, S.Anis, Guillotine, M.Privaty (Electric)
- Consumes resources for skills/gear:
- Skill mats
- Gear fodder
- Credits
- Future Nikkes may compete with Water Nikke carry role
- Future Nikkes may be simply superior even if not Water
- If you really need a maxed Water RL, Vesti’s still available
- Emilia is still tactically effective even if not maxed
- Damage unlikely to be great if hitting only 1 target with no parts
- Wide AoE may be a problem with fail rings or targets you want kept alive
- Rumor is it’s an average of 550 pulls to MCB a Nikke with 2% pickup
- 550 * 300 = 165,000 gems!
For:
- PvP
- Solo Raid
- Much better than Vesti, the only other serious Water RL
- Nemesis of Nihilister boss battles she can participate in
- Can’t slow-recruit Emilia over months with wishlist
- Uses Abnormal Attacker Gear which might be gathering dust…
The Againsts are winning by a landslide so far
surreal sorrel
He wants to MLB Emilia?
MCB
compact onyx
Let’s talk a “friend” out of MCB Emilia:
Against:
- Can’t bring her to any manu...
the track record for water dps in this game kinda
supple dune
Is Ram a must pull?
Yes
gloomy goblet
i add another pro: using that useless abnormal attacker gear
if next attacker char you want to recruit is another pilgrim, good luck
static maple
Let’s talk a “friend” out of MCB Emilia:
Against:
- Can’t bring her to any manu...
2 and 3 are weird excuses
2 is acceptable but 3 isn't 
4 and 5 are also excuses
Cuz it's more probable that we won't even get a B3 in half anniv
mighty jewel
4 and 5 are also excuses
Cuz it's more probable that we won't even get a B3 in ...
shiftup: 
weary whale
investment for pve/pvp ? worth to pve invest If I already have the big units ?
supple dune
4 and 5 can be applied to every released nikke
slender oak
check pins
weary whale
but is she worth in pve if Im already deep with the optimal invested team ? or I should just give her 4/7/7 for pvp and call it a day ?
or maybe just 4/4/4 for pvp
static maple
but is she worth in pve if Im already deep with the optimal invested team ? or I...
4/7/7 yeah
I think I put my rec investment as
1/1/1 -> 4/4/7 -> 4/7/7 -> 7/10/10
4/7/7 is f2p rec
4/4/7 is minimum
ocean orbit
I'm gonna wait for the eventual Rem/Emilia/Vesti theorycrafts.
sage pond
She should always be good for bosses with parts even the parts are paper unlike A2. Pretty good invest imo
surreal sorrel
2 and 3 are weird excuses
Whose side are you on?!
slender oak
Rem > Emilia 
slender oak
imma go recruit a new one
static maple
The difference between rem and Emilia is that
Rem may get outdated for union raids at some point or the other
But Emilia will always stay relevant
surreal sorrel
Isn’t this the same argument people used for A2?
supple dune
Me see
Me like
Me want
Me roll
Me fail?
Me Mileage ticket
Me happy
lethal slate
Rem may get outdated for union raids at some point or the other
But Emilia will...
How come, what's the explanation for this?
static maple
Isn’t this the same argument people used for A2? <:deadge:1014951072072216626>
Emilia is a better A2
static maple
How come, what's the explanation for this?
The explanation is simply that Emilia is forever meta for PvP
She's greater for PvP than rem is for pve
static maple
Even if Emilia is powercrept in PvP, she doesn't lose her place
She has a very high position meta wise
Like, keripo put her as S tier
That puts her only below 4 units in pvp
surreal sorrel
My “friend” is going to MCB her at this rate, you all are as evil as Syuen
lethal slate
thanks
supple dune
Wish i was a rich as her too
oak marsh
Rem may get outdated for union raids at some point or the other
But Emilia will...
you mean if i can only get 1... better pick emi?
static maple
Well, it depends on what your priorities are
If you have any will to compete in raids, you go with rem over emilia
strong vine
hrmm i have A2 and emilia and both sukk for pvp and pve
only good for boss fight
will try both later also after Rem release
icy zealot
hrmm i have A2 and emilia and both sukk for pvp and pve
Can I ask why Emilia "sucks for pvp"
As that contradicts findings the most
static pasture
he didnt read, thats why
icy zealot
It's okay if he didn't read; but I'd still like to hear his opinion
hidden fossil
“Im 700k cp down and my emilia didnt one shot enemy. She sucks”
past summit
My 1/1/1 emilia cant one shot, how
slender oak
F-tier unit 
wide cloud
Hey you leave him alone, i had a similar experience. I took like 4 months farming a good t3 set for my alice and she still doesn't do anything. Tier lists aren't always right.
slender oak
alice is the most well-known endgame unit that doesn't work without lots of investment
hidden fossil
If your alice isnt doing anything then u prob doing something wrong
After 4 months of investment
The unit single handedly forced shift up onto this full charge mechanic on kits
surreal sorrel
If your alice isnt doing anything then u prob doing something wrong
Idk who’s on what page so I’ll just toss out that I think he was being sarcastic since he said he farmed “t3 set” instead of T9M
Don’t mind me if everyone was already on the same page, I’d be the one on the wrong page…
cloud raft
wide cloud
Idk who’s on what page so I’ll just toss out that I think he was being sarcastic...
Thank you
I'd think adding that in with the other like 3 previous messages above mine using sarcasm that it wouldn't be that hard to get but...some are competing with Moran for gullible levels it seems
strong vine
Can I ask why Emilia "sucks for pvp"
as u know, currently her skill is for self buff and her burst is useless in pvp. Power can do better than her in pvp
mighty jewel
icy zealot
as u know, currently her skill is for self buff and her burst is useless in pvp....
I would ocnsider looking at some of the things in this channel. Currently Emilia's burst is considered one of the strongest, and she hard counters many stall comps involving Noah
She has the ability to 1 shot the entire team, although for survival you will most likely want to pair her with someone like Blanc for Indom
proper plaza
What's A2 attack during S1 (aka burst)?
same speed as RL due to burst
Attack: 63% x 360% + 40%
proper plaza
Emilia
61.3% x 280% x 159%
mighty jewel
oh you’re being rhetorical
proper plaza
now you do the math
mighty jewel
proper plaza
if A2 attack is weaker than Emilia, and A2 during burst is consider "great DPS"
what is Emilia?
icy zealot
as u know, currently her skill is for self buff and her burst is useless in pvp....
Power is good because it gives a bonk for 1 target, but Power is only a 1 target bonk that can be blocked or shielded. So while she is good, she is also not anywhere near what the power of Emilia can do. Not to mention Emilia's Burst Gen, her scam S2 which eats shields and still hits, and her decent splash
proper plaza
Emilia is so strong that you can even run her non burst
icy zealot
take some time to read and educate. The PVP community likes emilia
icy zealot
or you guys just got trolled
even if we are being trolled, its a great topic to bring up
oak marsh
i want more ppl like him in my barrack, ez gems biweekly
icy zealot
so that new readers (there are a lot coming to the discord lately) can read
strong vine
Pvp is about team comp and burst gen. With correct team all unit can be counter . To invest her solely for pvp (currently) she gonna be the next 2B
I will test again after Rem release
it might change my opinion
hidden fossil
surreal sorrel
Pins answered everything already, try something not in pins
hidden fossil
How did you figure out how to tie your shoes growing up
surreal sorrel
Pins say Emilia is meta-changing in PvP
icy zealot
its fine. If they are trolling, they opened up discussion and we are able to make things more visible for new members
If they are serious, they are at least attempting conversation and we have shared the info we could. It is up to them at this point.
For now, enjkoy the information provided by our amazing testers and check the pins!
surreal sorrel
What cubes are best for Emilia? Surely not Wingman in PvE?
I was going to slap on Resilience by default if the occasion arose
surreal sorrel
The ammo thing is based on max ammo, right?
proper plaza
yep
proper plaza
because the gain is meaningless
surreal sorrel
Oh, because we’re stuffing her full of max ammo
proper plaza
surreal sorrel
Quick Battle is an excellent pilot too, now I don’t have to worry about 5 minute fights between Noises
Okay, so Emilia PvE cube is Bastion or Resilience
PvP is still the usual rocket launcher worries for cubing
proper plaza
if you burst with her, any cube is fine
if you don't burst with her
- If you use her as battery: Quantum
- If you use her as better A2: Bastion
icy zealot
im using charge speed cube atm
seems to produce good results
but only because Bastion/resil are too full
surreal sorrel
So far PvP’s best cubes are Resilience, Bastion, Quantum, and Vigor
+and Wingman
slender oak
waiting for the day when prydwen team recommendations don't look like a mess
proper plaza
sour ingot
Emilia's stock up now? or still Emidlia?
olive scarab
Lowers her charge time considerably
I wish her burst did this
sour ingot
olive scarab
Thanks for review though, reading it now 🙂
sour ingot
I just wish she has the same use as 2B not A2 for solo raid
rugged viper
proper plaza
Egod?
static maple
Whenever nikke.gg posts their review, someone please post it here, thanks
I won't be here
proper plaza
Egod clears campaign, Egod solo carry boss parts, and Egod also clears people in PVP, be it with her burst or not
sour ingot
Emilia
rugged viper
Good bye snake
sour ingot
sour ingot
Seem worth for mlb now
proper plaza
the shit part is, her burst never triggers S1
not lose much
except I have to change my sheet
sour ingot
olive scarab
In AUTO, you can perform 3 Full Charge attacks in place of this enhanced blast, which means the maximum damage difference is (1+~5.2x)/3 = ~2.067
Where is the 1+ coming from, shouldn't it just be 5.2/3?
As in, either you have someone else burst and fire 3 shots for 3x damage, or Emilia bursts and deals 5.2x damage with one slow shot?
Am I reading that right?
If so, then in PvE there's no reason to ever use her burst unless you want the range buff, better to let someone with a better burst go instead.
Even if the 1+ is coming from somewhere, dealing an extra three shots worth of damage.... Isn't great for a burst 3
Feels like she's a Modernia moment where majority of the time you have her in slot 5 not bursting
static maple
<@390152688605593603> wrote that
No this is kisenix math
proper plaza
@golden ridge wrote that
for me, the diff is
- 280% x 61.3% x 1.59 x 3 + 1 x 103% x 61.3% (release burst immediately)
vs - 1550% x 61.3% x 1.59%
static maple
As in, either you have someone else burst and fire 3 shots for 3x damage, or Emi...
No no
The comparison is between
Releasing nuke early // Releasing nuke with full charge
It's not between someone else bursting and Emilia bursting
Iirc
proper plaza
Burst: 1510.74% ATK
Tap then full charge x3: 881% (58% of burst value)
that's... quite steep
static maple
for me, the diff is
- 280% x 61.3% x 1.59 x 3 + 1 x 103% x 61.3% (release burst...
The release burst immediately doesn't get ×1.59
proper plaza
58% dmg of burst version
static maple
Almost ×2
proper plaza
yeah better burst
static maple
for me, the diff is
- 280% x 61.3% x 1.59 x 3 + 1 x 103% x 61.3% (release burst...
You put burst as 1550
It's like 1570 smthng
proper plaza
static maple
1530%
Not much diff
proper plaza
not much diff I believe
golden ridge
<@308926283482398720> wrote that
"Im fine" = TSwift
if someone complains
I will share the "I'm fine" ss
from you
but to think about it
700% is close to 2 full charges
pardon some errors
golden ridge
NOT AFTER ITS RELEASED U DUMBASS
proper plaza
golden ridge
<:_ech03:709623824911433749>
also the diff is stated to be 2 shots anyways
proper plaza
people can't understand meth anyway
golden ridge
which is not far
proper plaza
golden ridge
from ur math
mighty jewel
I will share the "I'm fine" ss
golden ridge
cus 3 shots = ~900
5 shots = ~1500/1600
its similar
its not wrong
also the gap is reduced with more ammo
since u said ammo doesnt affect burst damage
mighty jewel
T-Bone's never wrong
proper plaza
static maple
its similar
Ackhtually 
It's not ×2.056
It's ×1.8 
ocean widget
Is that taking Rem into consideration? 
proper plaza
ocean widget
Cuz I was seeing math from a JP content creator that she's about on-tier with SW when hitting four parts (without Rem)
Though SW herself is getting phased out 
static maple
Cuz I was seeing math from a JP content creator that she's about on-tier with SW...
She's higher than SW at 4 parts
She can compete with other meta DPS like scarlet in just 2 parts
static maple
Higher than peak SW*
proper plaza
like
midlet?
or SBS?
I don't recall we use midlet as measurement now
nowadays, things need to be higher than Mod to be even consider good
gay
fresh marsh
2 years later gonna be back to midhood
ocean widget
Nah, by anniversary RH will be mid 
Grave gonna be the new RH in May and Crown for anniversary 
Trust
golden ridge
Ackhtually <:Modernerd:1146879435195302009>
It's not ×2.056
It's ×1.8 <:NerdL...
shut the f
static maple
may be not appearance, A2 is too cool for that
Ew fuck off
proper plaza
static maple
Emilia > A2 any day any week
static maple
Bich pls
proper plaza
hardy haven
what bug?
hardy haven
Ppl said she is mid, a week ago. Wha happened?
proper plaza
her S2 is strong
mighty jewel
s2 hitting multiple times depending on amount of stuff she hits is strong
proper plaza
too strong
I expected only main target, not all splash
but it's all splash
broken
hardy haven
I guess, her S rating for Solo boss is kind of underrated, what if the boss have multiple parts?
ocean widget
S2 is a built-in personal Novel burst
proper plaza
I guess, her S rating for Solo boss is kind of underrated, what if the boss have...
and what if it doesn't
hardy haven
And she haven't been buffed by Rem, too. I guess she'll get stronger with rem
proper plaza
Rem is just a fake Naga
hardy haven
and what if it doesn't
then make a new tier list for Solo Boss with multiple parts, LOL
proper plaza
not worth the pain
she's S because her lowest is unusable
her highest is, well, god
hardy haven
so I guess, she's good againts, Alteisen, Whitesmith, Nihilister, etc with parts
damn, I didn't get her. I'll gacha for Rem first and take her later
mighty jewel
you can ask a unionmate to test her out with train union raid
the parts spam respawn during the gun fight sequence
olive scarab
No no
The comparison is between
Releasing nuke early // Releasing nuke with full...
Oh I see.
Then an attempt to do the rough math for my original question myself:
Full charge damage for normal is 250 + ammo buff, assume ~15 ammo, 280.
280x3 = 840
As opposed to a single shot of... 1550.
So Emilia's burst, other than the range buff.... effectively deals an extra 710 damage to an enemy.
In practice, this is equivalent to 2.5 extra shots vs if she didn't.```
As a direct comparison, Maxwell's burst takes twice as long to charge, and deals **14x more damage.** So each rotation, an extra 12 shots worth vs not bursting.
Unless I'm fucking up the math.... Emilia is a waste of a B3 slot, and should be used almost exclusively in slot 5 dealing damage but never bursting. Only if you want the range buff to hit more boss parts/a group of enemies is it even worth considering.To be clear, I'm not saying she's bad, but that her damage does not require her burst whatsoever, so let someone else burst instead for a better team
proper plaza
Ah true, if you have better burst
But what if you dont?
What if you are in tyga team?
In bunnies?
olive scarab
I'm suggesting that putting Emilia on a team that isn't 1/1/3 will struggle
because her burst adds almost nothing
and in say a solo raid situation
give bunnies and JK to other DPS
proper plaza
Emilia should be the strongest dps this time due to 4 parts and ele adv
And you just dont allow her to have best sp
Why
olive scarab
this solo raid is an exemption because Nihilister benefits from her range increase
olive scarab
I think that unless the enemy is very specifically a boss with multiple parts present at once
(for the majority of the fight)
1/1/3 teams with Emilia will out perform
e.g. in shooting range I would be surprised to see a JK or Bunny team out-dps
worldly fulcrum
i mean with bunnies she can be run in 1/1/3
worldly fulcrum
olive scarab
I'm so used to not letting Noir burst I forget it's an option 
supple dune
Gawd damn wtf
static maple
Oh I see.
Then an attempt to do the rough math for my original question myself:...
The usage of Emilia is simple:
All good B3s:
-
Meta
-
Redhood, mod, Alice, SBS, XLud, Maxwell
-
SAnis in Doro team
-
situational
-
SW, maidPriv, scarlet, guillotine, Emilia
Did I miss anyone?
So if
3 teams are filled by meta. We can consider 2 of them to be Tia Naga and Bunnies team.
And SAnis takes over 3rd team in Doro.
olive scarab
I guess what I'm saying is if you want say, water element damage for a fight.... you'll probably be better off running 1/1/3, with the three being Xlud/A good DPS/Emilia
as opposed to putting Emilia in the burst position just for water element dps
static maple
So if
3 teams are filled by meta. We can consider 2 of them to be Tia Naga and B...
We have 2 DPS leftover, and now we have
- volume rem b3 b3 b3
And - Team 5 which is either SW team, Tove team, or sakura B1 B2 b3 b3
You need to fill 5 slots here.
Emilia fits in that rem team every day, any day
olive scarab
in fact hypothetically if your charge speed is high enough, bursting might just be a DPS loss for Emilia
static maple
We have 2 DPS leftover, and now we have
- volume rem b3 b3 b3
And
- Team 5 which...
Either as bursting B3 or non bursting
We literally have no one else to fill in
dapper oar
1580 - 280*4(4s charge) = 460% increased charge dmg, 460% *.613 * 1.5899 = 448.32% atk conversion bonus compared to 4 shots, this number is per part aswell and extra explosion range
asuming max skill levels
also hits core aswell + full burst buff
dapper oar
compared to other bursts like guillo ect
so its not a dmg loss just not the biggest gain unless ur hitting alot of parts
proper plaza
Yep, that is the point sun trying to make
Create a priority for burst
Emil wont have higher prio than max
But guillo, noir?
Nah, burst emil
ocean widget
Remember that we need Water for Nihi's shield
Meaning that either Emilia goes with JKs or Dorothy does 
dapper oar
does nihil have a water shield 
ocean widget
I guess X Lud could go with JKs, but then Emilia would need to be with bunnies
proper plaza
There is
olive scarab
Let's assume say, +80% charge speed from OL and allies, as an extreme example
- Normal Attack will take 0.2 seconds to charge
- Burst will take 3.2 seconds to charge.
- In that time, could have fired 16 normal attacks (ignoring reload)
- Burst deals 5.2x as much damage as one normal attack
Is that not a huge dps loss, going from 16x to 5.2x?
I've used 80% charge speed as insane example, but TL;DR the more charge speed you have, the less worthwhile her burst
unless I'm fucking up the math for how charge speed works
olive scarab
I don't have Alice so have never bothered checking how the game handles 1 shot per frame SR/RL
80% kept it simple hahaha
while still being high enough for Emilia's burst to clearly reduce her damage
not just being of limited help, but actively hurting her
dapper oar
full auto also has an innate delay of 22 frames between shots iirc so u would get .2+.366666 = .56 per shot, in 4sec u get 7.14 shots
olive scarab
50% charge speed:
- Burst takes 3.5 seconds
- Could have fired 7 shots without burst
- Instead one shot which deals 5.2x damage
olive scarab
each shot is 250% + whatever S1 gives her
vs burst with 1300%
so my 5.2x is already generously ignoring her S1
proper plaza
3274%atk
She needs about 50% cs then to match with burst dmg
Look impossible
Just burst
ocean widget
Also, if the burst explosion radius results in extra hits, then that's guaranteed more damage, no?
ocean widget
With that, even if the first charged shot causes damage loss, you still burst then just early fire the first shot
The subsequent burst-buffed shots will deal more than without burst
dapper oar
the max ammount of cs u can get should be around 24.36(ol)+13.01 +buffs(alice has 17.5) =55% charge speed if ur stacking max rolls
thats 4 black lines
proper plaza
olive scarab
The amount of charge speed determines whether her burst is minor buff or minor debuff basically
dapper oar
but ur giving up other rolls practically speaking
proper plaza
Liter bunnies alice emil
ocean widget
Four CS lines would probably result in damage loss compared to 1-2 Max Ammo
olive scarab
either way it's a bad burst lol
proper plaza
It is the way
proper plaza
Is great
ocean widget
Charlie Brown stealing our rocks