[D: Killer Wife] New Unit Megathread

[rotund sierra]

D:

[quaint orchid]

Her damage without D is 20 million and with D is 2 million or am I missing something?

[safe wharf]

and since when the research lab is a show off playground

[rotund sierra]

what cube for her ?

[buoyant blaze]

Reload

[rotund sierra]

next ? that cube tends to be kinda full heh

well it has 2b which I dont use much now but maybe someone else might use it

[buoyant blaze]

bastion/chgspd

[timid loom]

snec (

[lament spindle]

Pull her bitch

[timid loom]

snec....

i has 1000 gems

https://tenor.com/view/tn-j-gif-23950225

[lament spindle]

Bro

Luck sacc

Get the 10 tix from event shop

[timid loom]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-boo-tired-sleepy-blinking-gif-15446048

so i will use her in union raid ( ?

[lament spindle]

Yes

Volume gets kicked the fuck out

[timid loom]

u promise?

ogey

[lament spindle]

Yes

[astral plinth]

doesn't apply, tl;dr

[timid loom]

12k gem ..............

ok i got her boss i will raise her to be the strongest nikke

[lament spindle]

4/7/4 now, I'll confirm exact skills later

[timid loom]

20 tix and 12k gem

[lament spindle]

Your choice if you wanna OL or n9t

[timid loom]

ogey

i will proabbly cause i am waiting for t9m for pilgrim

[lament spindle]

Kk

[lament spindle]

Tell union to pull or come online when UR starts to attack

Or leave

[safe wharf]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/100690190
newbie=4/7/4
UR&SR=5/10/7
top 50 bald heads=7/10/10

[lament spindle]

Why burst over S1

@astral plinth thought u said S1 better

[astral plinth]

yep

[astral plinth]

and I stand my point

if you use her on non piercer, burst > S1 (of course)

[wooden thunder]

she boutta make me burst

[astral plinth]

but why do you use her on non pierce DPS?

[wooden thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/984796233409368135.webp?size=128&quality=lossless&name=cum

[astral plinth]

S1 is 50% better, 50% cheaper than burst, btw

on piercer

[lament spindle]

[timid loom]

i did her 7/7/7 for now

[safe wharf]

that mentat is saying burst buff is better than pen dmg itself

[timid loom]

i'm gonna do her more later

[frank ridge]

Ok i will do 577 and call it the day

[lament spindle]

That's probably false..

S1 is attack damage level buff for 10s and equal value

Burst is casters atk buff or core damage buff (diluted as shit) of same value

[rotund sierra]

same I did 777 I think that will be ok

[lament spindle]

So that's Definitely false

[astral plinth]

oh btw

on my sheet

I allow Alice to have both core dmg and ATK up

and burst is still 50% inferior than S1

[lament spindle]

Yeah it's definitely false, S1 is better but more niche
Burst is worse but more universal

[timid loom]

bro so can i take our volume from syncro and puter her?

or should i keep volum for tetra tower

[lament spindle]

Volume is for tower bruh

[frank ridge]

I use Noise for tower

[timid loom]

can i kick snow white

[lament spindle]

Put Miranda out of sync

[timid loom]

ogey

[safe wharf]

not that but core dmg up I suppose

[lament spindle]

Core damage buff is 16% buff on top of 100%

It's Hella diluted
Not to mention if used with Naga it's even more diluted

[rotund sierra]

so she moves out liter from jk team right ?

[astral plinth]

yep

Tia Naga D will protect your cover as good as liter bunnies

[lament spindle]

Whichever team is using a pierce SR gets D I guess

[astral plinth]

2 teams look very complete. Heal, heal cover

[rotund sierra]

mk

[lament spindle]

@astral plinth is pierce damage better than say, shooting 4 more shots with Alice?

[astral plinth]

depend on total ammo shot

[lament spindle]

Let's say you got 20 ammo + lvl7 bastion

That's 26 ammo shot per burst

[lament spindle]

Compared to if we had liter ammo buff that's 30 ammo per burst

[astral plinth]

as long as you shoot more than 33 ammo, pierce dmg > 4 more shot

simple meth, 4 / 12.19%

[rotund sierra]

you know a unit is good when she moves out liter to other teams hah

[lament spindle]

Oh so it's better for my Alice to use liter then

[astral plinth]

although it's more complicated than that because the 12.19% is diluted

[ocean ocean]

how do i use D's burst? hit core and part markers then do whatever else i intended to do?

[lament spindle]

I think D might be more suited to redhood

Than Alice

[safe wharf]

yes that's the result so far

[lament spindle]

Yeah

[astral plinth]

for that I agree

D:KW seems to benefit Red more than Alice

[lament spindle]

I think it'll still be liter Tiga Alice cuz Alice needs ammo support

Unless redhood is shifted to Tiga, in which case i guess D works

[astral plinth]

in that case, Max will be with Red then

[rotund sierra]

damn I just cant get over how much she looks like yor lol , but hey at least the original char had black hair and red eyes so it set a precedent

[lament spindle]

D is fire right?
Even if there's elemental QTE we'll have D to take care of it

D bunnies Rh b3
Liter Tiga Alice b3
Doro bisc Sanis priv Elegg
T4
T5

That seems like a better breakdown to me

[ocean ocean]

if elemental shield exists, doro bisc sanis priv nihi?

[lament spindle]

Idk, I just randomly put it down for now

I'm just waffling on the teams rbh
Trying to form a D redhood team without nerfing alice

[astral plinth]

how about

D Bunnies RH Max
Liter Tyga Alice SBS
Doro Priv Marci Mod Xlud
Tove SG cope shit Rapun | SMary Dolla 2B A2 B3
Volume Novel Snow Why

[safe wharf]

who's tyga

[astral plinth]

a rapper

[wispy marsh]

Tia naga

[astral plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/tyga-ah-gif-8062917

[lament spindle]

I guess yeah

[safe wharf]

2 MGs with priv?

[lament spindle]

T4 T5 is gay, I'll just copy those from top players

[astral plinth]

2 MG with Doro melt all parts under 3s

and you can enjoy Priv/Xlud burst

without touching Mod

[lament spindle]

Reload buffs from priv help MG to not lose their "wind up"

[safe wharf]

so the reloading buff benefits more than half ammo?

[wind venture]

guys, do i need charge speed for D ?

[astral plinth]

-50% ammo

not half

[lament spindle]

Ammo is an additive buff so you lose one OL gear worth of ammo basically
Other than that, you get to keep your wind up when you reload

[astral plinth]

that's different thing

300% ammo + -50% = 250% total

[flint moth]

She doesn’t need ammo OL to get above 8 shots?

[lament spindle]

If you can OL her, go for ammo

[safe wharf]

didn't imagine it was additive

[flint moth]

So 4/4/4 and ammo OL minimum investment

[lament spindle]

4/7/4 and just OL her and cope for ammo
No need to reroll on support

[flint moth]

Alright

Helm -> chest -> gloves -> boots prio?

[safe wharf]

what's lv7 cdr time

[lament spindle]

6 seconds

[flint moth]

6.04s

[lament spindle]

Lvl4 is 5

I think

[safe wharf]

a sec late hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[pale fulcrum]

gloves before chest

more atk

[flint moth]

Ok

[safe wharf]

lv7 would still cause a sec delay for 2nd fb

[lament spindle]

Chest gives most cp if you plan to run her in campaign

[flint moth]

Hope to get ammo on helm and call it a day

[slender breach]

Why Rh burst gen is better than alice burst gen?

[lament spindle]

It isn't

[slender breach]

So I suck using Alice

[safe wharf]

I'm sucking alice

[lament spindle]

I'm leaning towards

4/4/4->4/7/4->7/7/4->10/10/7

[slender breach]

10/10/7 for real whales

[buoyant blaze]

[slender breach]

Imagine those quantities of resources

[buoyant blaze]

7/10/7 for normal people

[simple flower]

So fellas
was the info from KR correct?

[slender breach]

4/7/4

[astral plinth]

4/7/1 for me

[slender breach]

[astral plinth]

gotta squeeze that lv 10 burst Rosanna

[lament spindle]

7/7/4 Id say

Burst is pretty meh

[buoyant blaze]

[safe wharf]

idk but we'll find out in SR

[lofty urchin]

how much is min investment> 1 roll?

[buoyant blaze]

then what about
7/7/4 with ammo/chgspd OL
7/10/4 without OL

[safe wharf]

pretty lotta guys are saying s1 isn't dat gud

[flint moth]

Try to get ammo on first roll yeah lol

[lament spindle]

When used with noir and blanc at lvl2 to lvl7
1s of delay for each skill??

[safe wharf]

there is 2 sec delay with liter in 2nd full burst, with D it's down to 1 sec

[lament spindle]

The solution he found for burst having absolutely 0 effect from lvl 1 till lvl6 is to max it out??

[buoyant blaze]

snake, what you thinkin?

[lament spindle]

I do agree with the last line

So let's just keep it simple then:

4/4/4 -> 4/7/4 -> 7/7/7 -> 10/10/10

[safe wharf]

now the cutline goes even higher

[slender breach]

[safe wharf]

fucking skill manuals are never plenty

[pale fulcrum]

lets keep it simple, 10/10/10 4ol

[lament spindle]

If you're upping burst to 10, there's 0 way you don't max out s1

[safe wharf]

we need OC season 2

[buoyant blaze]

what's snake cooking

[lament spindle]

I think 10/10/7 is good enough, the jump from lvl7->lvl10 is too worthless

Like actually

The scaling is mid

[slender breach]

He is cooking his dinner, wanna eat our books

[lament spindle]

Not worth 20+ days of materials

[buoyant blaze]

4/7/4 -> 7/10/7

[slender breach]

Time to whale cash shop

Oh damn the golden books is 100 bucks

Pass

[safe wharf]

do 4/7/4 and wait for calculation from mentats

[lament spindle]

7/7/7 is 11 days worth of materials

10/10/7 is like, 25 days? I guess?
That's better

10/10/10 is 50 days

[buoyant blaze]

time to ask for my wage of the upcoming 3 months

too many bursts to level already

[slender breach]

Time to create a time machine

I need those books rn

[lament spindle]

I think I'll just trust gatrix on this one

[slender breach]

believe in gatrix

Nah, joking

[lament spindle]

Skill Investment for DWife:

4/4/4 -> 4/7/4 -> 7/7/4 (-> 10/10/7)

[flint moth]

I’m in such a drought for skill books that I can only give 1/4/1 atm

[buoyant blaze]

best i can do is a good thought

[flint moth]

So D will be meta for which raid comps?

Which team is she joining?

[slender breach]

Rh

[lament spindle]

Skill 1 is double effective and half the cost of burst

Burst isnt worth it

[slender breach]

Or macro Alice

[buoyant blaze]

RH, Alice

[slender breach]

Your choice

[flint moth]

RH and Alice aren’t usually together tho right?

Alice is stuck with SBS?

[safe wharf]

is it double effective?

[buoyant blaze]

MAYBE not anymore, has anyone tested yet?

[astral plinth]

a normal hit

(Base ATK x 110% bonus ATK - Def) x (1 + 30% + 116,26% + 50%) x 1.13 + (Base ATK x 110% bonus ATK - Def) x (1 + 30% + 50%) x 1.13 = (Base ATK x 110% bonus ATK - Def) x 5.3788

Vs

(Base ATK x 100% Bonus ATK - def) x (1 + 30% + 100% + 50%) x 1.18 + (Base ATK x 100% Bonus ATK - def) x (1 + 30% + 50%) x 1.18 = (Base ATK x 100% Bonus ATK - def) x 5.428

[flint moth]

Also, D with bunnies or tiga?

Tiga gives core damage buffs as well

[astral plinth]

note that pierce dmg won't have core hit (only initial hit has core hit)

so it boils down to 10% atk up against 5% dmg up

[buoyant blaze]

TLDR PLEASE

[astral plinth]

Burst < S1

just put in meth

non pierce, burst > S1

more pierce part, S1 > burst (of course)

[slender breach]

So at the end is 10/10/10

[astral plinth]

why? Because core dmg is not carried on other pierce instance

like core + core as part = core hit + non core hit

[lament spindle]

All buffs have same value, right? Around 12-16%.

S1: Pierce damage is a separate multiplier, which is additive only to part damage buff (Dorothy and A2) and attack damage buffs (Tia, helm)
Vs
Burst: diluted caster's atk buff (alrdy 33% weaker atk buff)
and/or
Heavily heavily diluted core damage buff (100% base, Naga)

[quasi valve]

extra atk stat for her burst not worth ol?

[lament spindle]

Both have equal uptime

[astral plinth]

max lv 5 OL gives her like 4000 more atk?

[pale fulcrum]

ol atk wont increase the buff

iirc

[safe wharf]

so core dmg buff is not additive unlike to atk dmg buff?

[astral plinth]

which can be translated into eh, 600 more atk?

and we are talking about 120k atk here

or 150k with perfect OL

[lament spindle]

@astral plinth are they assuming burst is 100% uptime?

[astral plinth]

don't seem so

[safe wharf]

The burst buff is non-renewable.
After D Burst, the dealer hits 1 hit and 10 seconds later, it turns off.

[safe wharf]

so I need to hit 1?

before getting buff?

[astral plinth]

after buff

the first hit will trigger buff

but it expires after 10s and can't be renewed

[lament spindle]

Then it's simply wrong
Burst < S1

[astral plinth]

you can have different timing buff

as shown in here

and from my own test too

[quasi valve]

tbh it only affect mw... only she has trouble trigger DD buff if you burst too fast

[astral plinth]

it starts at the moment you trigger condition

yeah

[safe wharf]

[astral plinth]

if you run Maxwell

better hold that b3 a bit

tap the body once then part once

and you can burst right after that

[slender breach]

Sometimes pierce hits body and part

Like CC raid

But cc has no corr

[buoyant blaze]

shit ain't looking good

3min Boss (Electric weak) (full auto) (4/7/4 wD) (10/7/10 Liter)

--- TiGa ---
TiGa wD RH Alice: 589.895.027
TiGa wD SBS Alice: 645.423.324
TiGa Liter SBS Alice: 701.404.300
TiGa wD RH MW: 634.506.869
TiGa Liter RH MW: 677.501.178
TiGa wD RH xLud: 798.191.726
TiGa Liter RH xLud: 875.286.077

--- Bunnies ---
wD Bunnies SBS Alice: 646.383.175
Liter Bunnies SBS Alice: 717.284.505
wD Bunnies RH MW: 591.054.600
Liter Bunnies RH MW: 634.250.422
wD Bunnies RH xLud: 715.142.610
Liter Bunnies RH xLud: 797.481.777

SBS also has worse OL than RH

[astral plinth]

well, the gain for RH is like 7.5% for me

the gain for SBS on that team is around 30%

[buoyant blaze]

got 2 more tests planned

TiGa wD RH MW

TiGa Liter SBS Alice

the only ele advantage is naga so it should be decent

[safe wharf]

https://arca.live/b/nikketgv/100702923?p=1
Skill work
Min: 4 7 4
Recommended: 7 7 7
Raid crazy guy + money box: 10 10 10 (+ ammo overload)

[slender breach]

Gonna cook rn

[safe wharf]

imma 777

[buoyant blaze]

RH MW already stronger than RH Alice

[slender breach]

let me ||hold|| co||ck||ook

[buoyant blaze]

[safe wharf]

and seems I don't need to OL her badly

[buoyant blaze]

aight i'm done: #1214891523024359454 message

use wifeD with RH MW, keep liter with SBS

@slender breach can you run the exact same setups and note your scores?

[split sinew]

w/ Liter(9-6-10) = 1.32b
w/ Double D (4-4-4) = 980m

tested against the Electric boss on Shooting range

[slender breach]

yup

@buoyant blaze

[astral plinth]

Put d as trial ver

She has 10/10/10 that way

[slender breach]

@buoyant blaze

[split sinew]

Oh, right

[slender breach]

ludmommy

[astral plinth]

Her lv means shit since she deals 0 dmg anyway

[slender breach]

so Dwife+gals+rh+xlud and gals

pretty similar to alice liter sbs

no auto, that is manual alice

no macro

liter 10/6/10 Dwife 4/7/4

[trail needle]

can D fully reduce the cd so that only RH will burst?

with charge speed stats on gear?

[astral plinth]

No

[buoyant blaze]

Fully overloaded ChgSpd + Ammo

[brazen haven]

would it be a bad idea to use both liter n d to reduce RH cd?

[tired summit]

Is that n3x

[tired summit]

Having two cdrs in one team Is always a horrible idea

[brazen haven]

ok

[tired summit]

Unless youre using Isabel

But Isabel is a horrible Nikke

[ocean ocean]

which is equally horrible

[tired summit]

[ocean ocean]

[brazen haven]

no i just saw zxous vid using both of them, schoolgirls n RH, thats y want to ask first before building

[tired summit]

Zxous

Only tuber I can genuinely recommend is
Pyschieye, skyjlv or timauss if you're in for entertainment

Especially sky if you want more depth stuff

If sky doesn't test with x character (in which he tests with a lot)

It is
Most likely not even worth considering

[brazen haven]

ah ok, just sky is the name is it?

[tired summit]

Skyjlv

[brazen haven]

ok, thank you

[wraith kelp]

Is she worth mileage? failed to get her

[tired summit]

Do you have any CDRs?

[wraith kelp]

Of course

[tired summit]

Do you care about solo raid?

[wraith kelp]

of course

Well at least i always aim for 3%

[tired summit]

Uhh..
I wouldn't say she won't be able to help you but

I'm Unsure if she'll be impfactful enough, especially if you already have the meta DPS teams

[safe wharf]

idk why xlud is far better than maxwell

[tired summit]

Might just want to save for half anniv and see if there's any good dps nikke

For mileage

[wraith kelp]

Hmm i see, yeah
I already have most CDR, like Volume, Liter, Helm Summer, Dolla, also Dorothy

i think i have all CDR Nikke except D

[tired summit]

Xlud with that

Damage taken debuff

Sss tier in bossing for a reason

[safe wharf]

[lament spindle]

Because xLud > Maxwell lol?

[tired summit]

Gay reasoning

[lament spindle]

Maxwell needs part to be a good dps

He's testing on shooting range

[tired summit]

just because she's better
Doesn't mean she's better

[safe wharf]

but also idk if I wanna put xlud in dat team for SR

[tired summit]

[lament spindle]

That's upto you

[safe wharf]

2 MGs is still tempting

[slender breach]

Powercreep gals when

[tired summit]

Liter being free from Tia naga team is kinda crazy though

[slender breach]

[tired summit]

We can finally dust off novel

Poor novel

[slender breach]

Novel sw volume is real

Real cope

[tired summit]

Novel hater

Perish and die

[slender breach]

Noveless you mean

[tired summit]

[slender breach]

[safe wharf]

but yea maybe it's alice for this raid

can't ignore fire weak boss

[slender breach]

Gals Alice yeah, weak fire

[safe wharf]

but then sbs will get hit not having alice

I should test sbs with both alice and maxwell

[slender breach]

I guess Alice+SBS is better

Dunno didn't cook

Dwife SBS Alice glas

[safe wharf]

dd rh alice
or
dd rh maxwell
or
dd sbs alice
or
dd sbs maxwell

and 4/4/4 dd is no problem so far

[lament spindle]

D||eez nuts||

[safe wharf]

isn't it D||'s nuts||

[lament spindle]

I'm still wondering what's the diff between

5s and 6s and 7s cdr

[safe wharf]

1s cdr each ofc

simple and straight

[lament spindle]

I meant what teams would actually need 7s of cdr

I don't think it's worth

Maybe

[safe wharf]

the team with rapid fire like alice needs more cdr

like burst every 14 secs

[slender breach]

Nah 6 secs are enough

[safe wharf]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lament spindle]

4s to next burst is believable I guess, for Alice Rh teams

5s to next burst is easier tho

By a lot

[astral plinth]

200/20

On lots of rock

[slender breach]

Bunnies are doomed and need rouge to shine again

[safe wharf]

nah just jks are too stonk

[buoyant blaze]

It me

[hallow hazel]

I want to test D with a cdr b2 to see if I can get RH to burst every rotation

Should be possible with Ds skill 2 at 10 with ammo lines

Unfortunately not at computer atm

[split sinew]

Interesting

[safe wharf]

they can reduce 20 secs each rotation?

[hallow hazel]

Might be able to I haven't tested it lol

[buoyant blaze]

bunnies in F tier now

[tired summit]

Shouldn't be able to

[hallow hazel]

B3 cdr starts after the skill gets selected doesn't it

[tired summit]

Pretty sure I recall having to use 3-4 CDRs for RH to burst seamlessly

[split sinew]

Both Dolla and S. Helm reduce 2.6 at max level...on the 3rd rotation

[hallow hazel]

D should be proccing at least 1 Cdr during full burst

[buoyant blaze]

it stacks tho

1.82 + 2.2 + 2.6

[safe wharf]

together it's like 14.5 secs reduction?

[split sinew]

Oh

[safe wharf]

or was it 13.5

[buoyant blaze]

why are you in my union again

[hallow hazel]

Probably proc it again before b3 comes back up with a car b2 it should only be around 7 - 10 seconds before she can burst again depending on how quickly you get the bar back up

[tired summit]

You're missing
12 more secs

[hallow hazel]

Isn't dolla 3.16

[split sinew]

I was looking for a union, then I saw Snake recruiting

[buoyant blaze]

[tired summit]

Anyways, not possible with 2 cdr

You need 3

[split sinew]

I dun read, I brute force

[buoyant blaze]

6,62s CDR each when fully stacked

[split sinew]

[split sinew]

Yeah I looked it up

[buoyant blaze]

TiGa wD RH xLud
798.191.726

TiGa Liter SBS Alice
701.404.300

same boss no ele advantage

[tired summit]

Xlud gaming

[safe wharf]

tina d rh xlud has the highest dmg so far

[buoyant blaze]

xLud has 10k less CP

[slender breach]

Your Rh sucks brudah

[safe wharf]

so with combining liter bunnies sbs alice should be good

[buoyant blaze]

fight me

[buoyant blaze]

i havent evens tarted with bunnies yet

[slender breach]

Sure fight in the bed

[tired summit]

There's my volume novel team

[safe wharf]

who

[buoyant blaze]

time to start testing bunnies

[hallow hazel]

Mid hood

[slender breach]

27.8% never forget

[tired summit]

Volume novel sw mx helm

This raid
Surely

[split sinew]

Interesting

Imma try this later

[tired summit]

[buoyant blaze]

imma try SJay later

[hallow hazel]

So not worth it then, cool

[tired summit]

Helm is there to look fancy
And not heal

[tired summit]

Someone's lewd

[safe wharf]

helm is there to boost hp and attack

[buoyant blaze]

who

[astral plinth]

I think

I figure out how CS work

[surreal siren]

Damn, mine still 100m behind Liter

[buoyant blaze]

TiGa wD RH xLud
798.191.726

TiGa Liter RH xLud
875.286.077

[hallow hazel]

Against what though

[raven zealot]

didnt u already know this from sbs testing? total time = constants(cover animation/delays) + (chargetime * 1- charge speed) should be?

[astral plinth]

except

on auto, it's something else

normal SR 0% cs = 1.367s
with 13.45% cs = 1.283s

with M-soft

normal SR = 1.19s
13.45% = 1.066s (0.1345s shave off)

so there's something biting the charging time

making auto looks horribly slower

[raven zealot]

auto has a different animation total i think?

like how alice delays her shots with 100% charge speed

[astral plinth]

auto has 11 more frames than "Manual"

[raven zealot]

that goes into constants?

or do they start charge part way through those frames and overlap

[astral plinth]

yeah but how can I translate it back to 1.283s?

[raven zealot]

wym?

[astral plinth]

77 frames total

[raven zealot]

if total time = 1.283

1.283 = constant + charge time * (1-charge speed) theroetically?

[astral plinth]

looks at it like this

1.367s = normal SR = 82 frames = 22 constant + 60 charging time

which is very true (pvp has 11 frames less on SR, dunno why)

[raven zealot]

chibi diff

[astral plinth]

now with 13.45% cs

1.283s = 77 frames = ?

[raven zealot]

if 22 is truely constant

then the 60 frames is where u cut from

[flint moth]

Can’t you get both wipe out buffs by hitting once on part and once on body?

[astral plinth]

can

[crystal island]

jesus christ we thought her cdr was not enough
turns out she is giving too much because her cdr scales with lvl

[astral plinth]

it even has separate buff timing

[astral plinth]

then cut it

[flint moth]

If that’s the case, it’s not an OR as snake said. It should be AND

[astral plinth]

77 - 22 = 55

[raven zealot]

u end up with 73.93 but then it means ur constants off no?

[astral plinth]

55 / 60 = 9% cs

charge speed probably fucks up the constant too

[flint moth]

I dwife good at 1/7/1 if I’m strapped for books?

[raven zealot]

cuz the sbs one works fine

[astral plinth]

but I don't know how

[raven zealot]

with the constant beign the delay since she doesnt go into animation diff

[astral plinth]

unless 22 is also shave off

let's see

[raven zealot]

22 shaving off would be smaller not larger

we're under the mark

is 22 auto ?

[astral plinth]

22 auto

if you try to cut that, you have to keep at least 11 frames

the true delay of this game

or the infamous "0.2s charging"

11 frame delay is also happens on 109% reload speed AR/MG/SMG

I believe each RL/SR shot triggers "reload" once but they cancel it immediately

so each Rl/SR shot must have mind 11 frames delay

[raven zealot]

with manual since we can minimize the variable does charge speed formula work properly?

[astral plinth]

yeah

[raven zealot]

[astral plinth]

constant 11 frames

60 frames charge time

I put 1180/20

it can go to 1170/20 but I fear one or 2 hit can miss the 250%

1180/20 is very safe

then I reduce 1180 by 134 (13.45% charge speed)

it works at 1146/20

still, 1154/20 should be safer

[raven zealot]

wats something that gives me charge speed

are they all on full burst except cube?

[buoyant blaze]

overload, cube, full burst

[craggy wharf]

What is the recommended skill investment for D: Killer Wife?

[astral plinth]

I use scope lock

with Yuni + Maxwell

together they give D 13.45% cs

try 1170/20 then 1154/20

should be very constantly proccing full charge

[raven zealot]

how do i change my snip to not capture hdr again

[astral plinth]

huh

[raven zealot]

overexposed

ill just use my other monitor

with charge speed cube 1.59%

= .9841 * 60 = 59.046 + 22 = 81

let me see if i can capture maxwell alone with her to confirm 3rd datapoint

[astral plinth]

put yuni too

number is bigger

[buoyant blaze]

yuni meta now?

[raven zealot]

i want them isolated not bigger

[astral plinth]

shit

tried M-san on SBS

pretty much auto = M-san

[raven zealot]

getting 80 on maxwell

[astral plinth]

3.5% right

[raven zealot]

4.48

[astral plinth]

57+22=79

alright pretty close

[raven zealot]

didnt we have something about

charge speed rounding individually

back when we were doing rh charge dmg conversion

with alice

[astral plinth]

[raven zealot]

how much is yuni+maxwell?

[astral plinth]

this is 13.45%

with scope lock

[raven zealot]

in seperate numbers

[distant helm]

So who did d kill

[buoyant blaze]

volume

[distant helm]

But she seems fine in my roster

[golden spire]

Volume/S Helm depending on boss weakness

[astral plinth]

alright I think we sort it out

it still goes as formula constant + charge time x (1 - %charge speed)

with constant on auto is 22 frames or 0.367

that 76 seems to be bad rng or auto plays dumb

[raven zealot]

frame drops maybe?

[astral plinth]

may be

but AI tends to have variation between shot

averagely, it's around 74 frames. Should be good

[raven zealot]

so with that theroetically 8 shots should be 12.933s(including the 1 reload)?

without reload cube

[astral plinth]

yeah

around that

well, the delay between last shot and next shot after reload is a bit faster than expect but not worth mentioning. Just just accept 13s give or take

[grizzled rock]

im shaking

[pastel oar]

Same

[fathom blaze]

So Liter is still the Queen of B1.

[buoyant blaze]

[raven zealot]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTG2b7ea446Q2laZBHKvnNvkD3zdx5xp2Rmw0NP_vzRIA&s

[buoyant blaze]

she will get closer if her S1/Burst is higher level, i tested with my own

[fathom blaze]

oh, didn't see that xD

[buoyant blaze]

there is also a lvl 200 with 10/10/10 in shooting range but haven't tested with her

[fathom blaze]

well, i bet D Wife give a little higher score in the end

does D Wife shine against certain bosses? or perform well overall like Liter?

also why does 10/10/7 but not 10/10/10

[safe wharf]

she shines in certain team rather than certain boss

[buoyant blaze]

burst scaling not worth

[pastel oar]

D peforms at her best against a Rapture boss.

[fathom blaze]

very funny

[pastel oar]

But i guess she'd want a boss with parts and core to trigger her buff.

[summer trellis]

D will scale harder when it comes to bossing since union boss doesnt have parts to hit

[buoyant blaze]

FUNNY ENOUGH using the lvl 200 10/10/10 gave me a worse score than using my 288 4/7/4

8m less

[pastel oar]

And atk buff is casters

[buoyant blaze]

just us normalized team for shooting range please

[fathom blaze]

Alright, i guess D good in campaign too?

[astral plinth]

seems so, if you run the Alice Red tyga D comp I think?

just make sure to learn new pattern: Point mouse near elite so they can squeeze some buff

also there's no part, so no core dmg

[ocean ocean]

bruh

ofc

[iron ridge]

her buff skills don't scale well :/

[crystal elk]

If I dont have a burst CDR unit yet, is it worth investing into D

Or is that answer not defined yet

[hallow hazel]

Yes

Just replace her when you get another one since she does more for snipers than other units

[crystal elk]

O nice I got Alice so that works out

[quasi valve]

777 DD buff rh more, but liter help mw nuke

[summer trellis]

it’ll probably be higher when theres a part to pierce

[cinder sinew]

any confirmed recommendations on how much to invest in her skills and recommended cube yet?

ok nvm, missed the pins, sry

[cinder sinew]

okay so based on the pins, the good cube to give her would be, resi or bastion (if already got max ammo ol rolls) it seems

[subtle crow]

so uh

what skills

6/6/6?

[rain frigate]

look in pins

[subtle crow]

appericate you

[subtle crow]

@boreal maple

dont yell at me ❤️

LOL

[covert coral]

so what kind of dress do i buy to look like D as a man, is it also in pins?

[subtle crow]

i wanna run double D to bad the other one doodoobutter

[covert coral]

anyway good to know that OL isnt an absolute must

optional for optimal but not a hardcore need

[subtle crow]

do u still want Charge speed and Ammo on her ?

my tove literally is begging me to get her ammo but the game has been fucking me sideways

[covert coral]

eh? tove?

then again i just woke up and took a shower, barely read aynthing

me read at work all the info & team setups

[boreal maple]

dm me

[wooden wing]

Do I really need her if I already have summer Helm?

How good is D for Elysion Tower compared to using S Helm?

[ripe grove]

Good news for D.Wife

I got into trouble on Elysion 403F or something, I already forgot

And had to replace Miranda with D.Wife

[lament spindle]

DWife is superior ofcourse
It's cdr+buffs

[ripe grove]

Yep

I was using for final two Elysion floor dailies today - Maid Privaty, Privaty, Guillotine, Marciana, D.Wife

Just AoEs while spamming MG bullets and I finally have a B2 healer + B1 cdr action going

[wooden wing]

I see

The team I use right now is Miranda, S Helm, Privaty, Maiden, and Guillotine

My Maiden is like really built tho MLB5 which I prefer using her than my 0 MLB M privaty

Ill save for now until news of the next unit

[ripe grove]

S.Helm is still awesome. Needed her to beat 400F (Electric Ultra, so S.Helm was debuffing the heck out of him)

So right now just need 1 more great Nikke which can replace Maid Privaty or Privaty

Maid Privaty’s doing good but she’s held back by useless S2 when not with Tove

And Privaty tends to make it harder on both Maid Privaty and Guillotine with the bullet halving debuff

I’m glad to finally be able to have a Elysion B1 I could consider max-investing in though. Three cheers for D.Wife!

[wooden wing]

Poor OG D tho

Never stood a chance

Forever gaining dust on the shelf

[river jacinth]

I still get to see OG D every 5 days for my auto SI Modernia

[pine cipher]

JKs-RH-Maxwell optimal D.alt team?

[ripe grove]

Assumed to be, yes

[buoyant blaze]

xLud > Maxwell

[ripe grove]

It effectively punts Volume over the moon

[pale fulcrum]

if there´s a few parts

otherwise xlud

[buoyant blaze]

#1214891523024359454 message

i did this earlier

[ripe grove]

Oh nice

[buoyant blaze]

SBS Alice is stronger than RH MW too UNLESS they can actively pierce alot

this was full auto so Alice was being handicapped

[ripe grove]

I see, XLud is clear winner unless elements in play or lacks core entirely

This is good news for me since I like good MGs

[finite mural]

nihilster is still whack even with daifu

apparently there might be a case of putting d + jk with sbs alice

[slender breach]

Yep, for example next SR is fire weak so jks, Alice an SBS is better than Rh xlud D

[finite mural]

thahts waht i would figure

sbs does so much damage that you dont necessarily need liter

[slender breach]

Liter with bunnies modernia

nex

[finite mural]

[cerulean reef]

alright read pins

burnt gems to get a copy

[vague skiff]

i'm honestly amazed how nikke community sometimes overrate some characters and underrate other.
I'm failing to understand in what pink-glassed world D:KW is a must pull when we have literally stronger CDR unit which is Volume (-8.21 cd) and we even have Dorothy for that role. Damage buffs are mid at best and only because damage type is an indirect Red Hood buff who is already op. All other dmg buffs are shit af - 5%? don't make me laugh. Burst buffs are weird as well because you realistically need only one of them at any given boss and buff triggers on her burst, not full burst which leads to your nikkes accidentally procing wrong buff (if it activated on full burst instead, you could've prevented that with coordinated aiming).
Conclusion: easy skip, only usable for those who don't have any CDR on account or for niche strat to stack buffs on Red Hood/Alice, which will crumble the moment your precious single dps character gets a sneeze from high dmg attack.

[hallow hazel]

Ain't reading allat big dog

[raven zealot]

u have 5 solo raid teams right

if i could use liter doro volume in 5 teams i would

trust me

i would even just use liter in 5 different teams

[vague skiff]

team 5 support is the best i'd give her

[hallow hazel]

"Volume is better" when she quite literally isn't always better

[buoyant blaze]

what's bro yapping about

[hallow hazel]

Pretty sure it was established she was worse on Sr teams actually

[vague skiff]

just admit that you're down bad for horny arts and that's the real reason

[pale fulcrum]

why are you getting personal lol

[hallow hazel]

Or you could just read the chat before yapping

[buoyant blaze]

[lament spindle]

Who

D wife?

[buoyant blaze]

i'm only horny for privaty but i pulled her and leveled her myself, actually tested her and she's WAY stronger than volume

[hallow hazel]

But then again bro has an sbs pfp so I'd expect as much

[vague skiff]

core7 RH as well

[hallow hazel]

Volume is better but I'm not going to elaborate as to why while also ignoring the 7 seconds cd is every 8 shots

And just not testing for myself

While also ignoring all the messages about how she performs in this thread

[vague skiff]

*8 full charges, not just shots

[raven zealot]

volume jiggle is better tho no lie

[hallow hazel]

🤡

Yeah so auto her lmao

[raven zealot]

do u see that smg bap rate

[lament spindle]

Just do your own damage comparisons and find out

Volume is quite literally a trash unit made usable cuz she has cdr. Volume is = shelm when Shelm isn't against iron weak enemies. That's how bad she is

Clearly, as it stands, you needed like, LITERALLY CDR+ANY BUFFS to overtake volume

[hallow hazel]

Takes like 10 - 12 seconds

[lament spindle]

You can do the math and find out for yourself why crit is shit in nikke
While attack damage, pierce damage are good

[hallow hazel]

But snake

Volume has 8 seconds and D has 7!

Volume is better!

[lament spindle]

-8.21s is useless cuz you can't get your burst up again in like 3 seconds bruh

You usually get to next burst in 4-5 seconds. 4seconds on a really fast team.
-7 seconds is enough, which is why Shelm and dolla (lower cdr than liter and volume) still work just as well

[vague skiff]

yeah, yeah, let's change the topic, that's the way? You all praise her for CDR? We're talking cdr

[lament spindle]

Do the math on cdr

[lament spindle]

This is cdr math

[hallow hazel]

Literally hasn't been reading the thread if he thinks it's just cdr

Came in here an yapped

And was wrong

[vague skiff]

y'all wrong

[pale fulcrum]

literally 1st message here I think he's just trolling

[lament spindle]

Just
Let him learn

[hallow hazel]

There's literal screenshots of her outbuffing Liter in here

[lament spindle]

Be patient and maybe he'll learn

[hallow hazel]

[buoyant blaze]

nah it's joever

bro joined the server just to shittalk wife D

[hallow hazel]

Holy fuck

That's hilarious

[broken charm]

i mean people are literally going to test her to gather data

and not just make assumptions

[lament spindle]

Maybe someone gave him actual misinfo so
It's ok

[broken charm]

just wait for actual data

[hallow hazel]

Because whales always seem to have the worst understanding of gameplay mechanics

They just throw money at units and hope that buys them top slots on SRs

[vague skiff]

f2p btw

[hallow hazel]

Core 7 RH f2p btw

[vague skiff]

was just lucky on that one

[buoyant blaze]

just lucky

[short vortex]

I heard something fun is going on here

[hallow hazel]

I'm also lucky to have core 7d red hood in hundreds of dollars

Anyways moving on

[broken charm]

is it fine to just skip her on overloading gear?

or is it necessary for her buffs/cdr?

[short vortex]

You can probably skip the OLs

[hallow hazel]

She doesn't need OL but it's good to have an ammo line on her

[vague skiff]

literally spent 0 and got that in ~250 pulls

[short vortex]

At least 1 ammo line

[hallow hazel]

Tldr

[broken charm]

oh ok ty

[short vortex]

1 ammo line will get you consistent enough to get 1 up to 2 procs in a cycle

[lament spindle]

Regardless, this thread is not to discuss his pulls
Keep it ontopic please

[broken charm]

nuts lol

[buoyant blaze]

it's alright but 1 ammo line should give big quality of life for 8 mag

[hallow hazel]

1 ammo line cause if not she has to reload 2 shots away from proccing the buff

Which is annoying af imo

[broken charm]

time to prayge

is D wife going to be with tiga comp?

or bunnies

[hallow hazel]

Tiga

[broken charm]

kk

[lament spindle]

Can be both Tiga and bunnies

Depends on what DPS you are using with her

She benefits SRs so pitch her with SRs

[buoyant blaze]

she's fine on both duos, it's more important what carries you pair her with

ideally you pair her with RH and MW/xLud

[broken charm]

ah

does her burst apply a debuff on the enemy or something?

im not understanding it fully

[vague skiff]

aight, enjoy your 5% dmg buff, while even previous char gave 13% which was claimed to be mid char "maybe for future", pretending like we don't have distributed dmg chars. Don't forget napkins for your pulls

[broken charm]

you hit a certain part and it grants a specific buff?

[hallow hazel]

Tldr

[short vortex]

move along child, nobody's asking

[hallow hazel]

He's too used to running sbs

Lost all thought process

[knotty pilot]

tae's

yea 5%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/668978412806995978.png?size=64&quality=lossless

[vague skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-meru-didn't-ask-gif-6001381248257613454

[hallow hazel]

Someone posted this earlier too

[buoyant blaze]

would've been better to test on neutral boss

[lament spindle]

The only problem is that volume provides 20% of crit buffs

And crit is shit otherwise you would be 100% correct
Proof: damage formula link:
#research-results message

Now even though DWife provides absolutely janky ass values of buffs, they're extremely higher uptime (compared to volumes 50% uptime even during burst on crit buffs)
Hence she's pretty much goated, especially for Redhood

[broken charm]

can someone explain to me how D wife's burst works? does it apply a debuff depending where you hit?

[vague skiff]

i'm mad that Yulha isn't team 1 meta tbh

[buoyant blaze]

[vague skiff]

but we weren't talking Crow-tier characters

[lament spindle]

At least she's team 4/5

Situationally

[vague skiff]

more like sitting somewhere at the tribe tower

[raven zealot]

u guys have room for yulha in tribe tower?

[vague skiff]

don't have anyone else for that burst slot

[buoyant blaze]

what is Yulha

[raven zealot]

tetra

[vague skiff]

exactly

[lament spindle]

Aren't xLud and Alice the gamers of tetra

[buoyant blaze]

no way in hell she got space there

[lament spindle]

Volume bunnies xLud alice

[buoyant blaze]

yes. and even sAnis performs better after them

[broken charm]

is bastion cube the best for d wife?

[pale fulcrum]

sugar too

[buoyant blaze]

resil > bastion > wingman=adjutant imo

[broken charm]

ok

[lament spindle]

Added info on golden mileage use

[buoyant blaze]

do i sell my house, wife and kids to pull her?

[pale fulcrum]

selling your house, your kids and D

to get D?

doesnt seem worth it

[broken charm]

is getting her S1+S2 to lvl 10 actually worth?

the scaling seems a bit low

[buoyant blaze]

S2 for sure

S1 meh

[broken charm]

hm ok

[tulip wasp]

S1 at 5 is fine enough
But beeline S2 to 10

[buoyant blaze]

5 is a bad number

give her 4/7/4 for now and wait until testing done

[tulip wasp]

Well D somehow made my SI Modernia 2Burst cycles when liter was 3 burst cycles

[tulip wasp]

7 isn't enough for S2
10 is 7 seconds cdr, while liter/volume is 8.34 seconds

[buoyant blaze]

7 is enough. if the enemy moves also and you have lots of downtime, THEN you need 10

i tested 8 different teams a boss on full auto with S2 lvl 7 and NEVER had cooldown issues

[raven zealot]

full auto gen kinda slow tho

[broken charm]

if im reading this right her burst skill whichever target is marked, hitting the core gives bonus dmg, but everywhere else is an increase in atk?

[buoyant blaze]

shush

[tulip wasp]

But what about spamming Alice/RH/RL?

[buoyant blaze]

hitting a part gives core damage, hitting body gives caster (D) attack

[hallow hazel]

If the ai doesn't delay the shot it should take about 12 seconds for cd to proc shouldnt it?

[broken charm]

oh

[raven zealot]

i havent tested myself yet tbh

[buoyant blaze]

i'll test that tomorrow, too late now

[broken charm]

is volume essentially kicked off the 5 solo raid teams?

or is there a reason to use her?

[tulip wasp]

Nah Miranda is

[broken charm]

oh

[tulip wasp]

Because Volume and flex b2 replaces her and dolla

[broken charm]

kk

[tulip wasp]

Keep in mind the flex B2 could be novel
A SW with enough charge speed can exploit that debuff

[short vortex]

given novel is delayed if you charge immediately with 1 line cs you're probably fine, no?

[tulip wasp]

Yeah

If you have pc and can spam burst, you can hold it for a few seconds

[raven zealot]

u can do novel without any CS on sw iirc

the delay is pretty long

[broken charm]

arg

i dont want to use rocks on d wife but if that 1 ammo line is worth its gonna suck not getting it

[raven zealot]

look at 19s

thats lvl 7

[buoyant blaze]

S2 lvl?

Ah

Run TiGa?

[raven zealot]

should be same but sure

[hallow hazel]

It's not a priority to get an ammo line on her

It's nice but not needed

Just save rocks for other units and come back later

[raven zealot]

theres potential to get messed up without ammo line, i didnt go through the whole math yet but in quick head numbers

[broken charm]

ah

[raven zealot]

u run into a cycle where u reload right after u shoot 8th shot

then u need to 2x reload that cycle = ur late

since u shoot 6 -> shoot 2, 4 left over shoot 4 more, 2 left over then shoot 6 and 0 left over + cdr just proced = 2x reload on this cycle

[raven zealot]

with tia naga my rh ammo isnt enough without a part to pierce

i can just alice

should be about the same

gen

with enough ammo its still a little bit off

if boss has parts ur definately slow aswell

[buoyant blaze]

[raven zealot]

my fingers also a little bit slower

than when im sweaty

if u catch my drift

[tulip wasp]

And if your pierce/rl hits multiple stuff with one shot?

[raven zealot]

then u get more burst

[lament spindle]

That's 1 second off?

What is S2 lvl

[raven zealot]

7

[lament spindle]

Damn, so 10 is needed

Sounds like Collab and half anniv are gonna have to wait for investments

[raven zealot]

theres a little bit of a stutter there like .2s cuz of my lack of burst gen

but on bunnies definately hit that 1s diff hard

with parts ur prob also hitting that 1s diff

cuz my alice would gen twice as much with just 1 part

[covert coral]

i refuse to break my head,ill just ammo/charge spd 4 OL

[tulip wasp]

And with rl on blacksmith barrage you'll definitely hit 2-3 seconds ahead

[raven zealot]

well bs just lets me pierce him + gun

[tulip wasp]

So there might be situations where even S2 level 10 isn't enough

But you'd would need the splash/pierce a lots of targets several times

[ripe grove]

So

Looks like D.Wife wants ammo and charge speed for peace of mind for CDR, along with lvl10 S2?

But completely optional

Because it’s all about milking that last gasp of a second before next burst cycle

[raven zealot]

i think im mostly happy with my 1 ammo roll

[ripe grove]

If you can tolerate it and don’t mind being seen as someone who aren’t serious about malding

Then you really don’t need to do anything except get lvl7 S2

[raven zealot]

because as long as u can reach 1 proc per cycle

like reload + 8 shots within the cycle

charge speed doesnt really help

[ripe grove]

It doesn’t?

I think it’d add to comfort, but max ammo probably way more effective

[raven zealot]

cuz if u have 9 ammo right, every reload lets u shoot 8 times

so even if u end on a reload bullet so 2s+8shots

if that fits within the 13s u have then it always give u the -7s right

and if it doesnt then well it doesnt

[ripe grove]

Is it possible to screw that up with a certain ammo number?

[raven zealot]

i thought about it but once u get 8+ shots

ur always getting atleast 8 shots per reload right

so it doesnt matter if u reload at the start, after 4th bullet or at the end

[ripe grove]

Wait what’s her base ammo again?

[river jacinth]

Yeah worst case scenario is 1 reload before proc if you have 8+shots

[raven zealot]

as long as the time it takes for 1 reload+8 bullets is within the timeframe

6

[ripe grove]

Oh no wonder

Okay

So get to 8+ ammo somehow, consistently, and you’re gold

[tulip wasp]

For example I'm pretty sure wingman cube could do it at level 7+

[ripe grove]

Needs minimum of 33% max ammo and absolutely no Privaty sabotage

[raven zealot]

25%

[ripe grove]

Hmm Wingman on D.Wife but not reload cube? 👀

[raven zealot]

ammo rounds up at 1.5

[ripe grove]

Oh

[tulip wasp]

Depends on the specific weapon

For example Scarlet's is +1 max ammo for 5% max ammo

Since Scarlet has a base of 20

Rn we're talking about half ammo breakpoints due to rounding up

For weapons such as SR/RL with relatively low base ammo, that half ammo break matters more since it takes a lot more max ammo % to get a full +1 ammo

[lament spindle]

Just get 8 for her
The rest is too expensive

You guys need to remember it's a support.
Just get one ammo and be done with it

• Atk/ele don't do shit on her
• Charge speed is a shit roll if the unit doesn't have pre existing charge speed of like

Just get one ammo and save your rocks to spend on DPS. Cuz that's what matters.

She's quite decent for campaign as well

Yep

[ripe grove]

That’s awesome

[weak falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[ripe grove]

I think the bot needs a good mod bonk

[lament spindle]

Nah all good, this gif is important in some situations

So like
That's it then?

Thread over?

[subtle crow]

Message of the day ⭐️

[summer trellis]

idk I never had cd issues with my DWife at S2 7

she has 1 ammo and 1 cs roll

[lament spindle]

It's simple
Do you spam at 4 clicks/s or faster?
Yes -> you should probably up it to 10
No -> 7 is ideal for you

At 7, you will have to wait like 0.5seconds to recover your cooldown