[Scarlet: Black Shadow] New Unit Megathread

[dark hawk]

They really hate prydwen

Dunno why

[jade prawn]

Don't see anything wrong with it, don't care

[dark hawk]

They are trolling about prydwen tierlist

[jade prawn]

Anyways try to keep this chat on topic pls

[dark hawk]

Sorry

[vestal kettle]

im sure he just wanna say poli ASS

[dark hawk]

Could be

[jade prawn]

They weren't making fun of list

They were pointing out " ASS " is written

[dark hawk]

Oh ducks, it's just me

Ducks? Really keyboard?

Maybe Sunday, it depends if it will be a sunny day or not

Guys, I come here to troll a little but I have a question and don't wanna forgive it

[autumn igloo]

Is sunday always a sunnyday? 😁

[dark hawk]

Is atk really good in ol or is better ele?

Let me explain

Maybe some time before when meta DPS were just 2-3 elements

And we didn't care

In fights Vs elemental

Now we have a lot of DPS with variety codes

I guess is better select the ele ol and say who cares atk%

This comes to mind when I realized that scar is finally our first wind dps

I mean atk% really makes a big difference in solo and union raid?

[wicked marten]

Technically yes u get more damage from elemental, now if u want to choose elemental vs attack depends on the content you do

But yeah in solo raid and union raid under the right weak element elemental will help you

[dark hawk]

I mean nukers like snow really needs atk%

[wicked marten]

Yeah but snow white works a bit differently

[dark hawk]

Ans oscar/scrabs has a big DMG without atk%

Isn't better ele for her old, is it?

I know atk and ele are both equally

In Ols lines

But that is just for whales

[valid flume]

Sbs i still think prefer to get atk% line still, unlike scarlet, sbs attack buff not permanennt

[dark hawk]

mmm interesting

[jade prawn]

Should you aim for 4 atk 4 ele

Is it worth just skipping charge speed

And ammo

[dark hawk]

My 2 ol lines are atk+cri and hit+def

Game didn't give me rocks in 5 days

[valid flume]

If the idea behind cs is right, then cs and ammo are the only core lines

[dark hawk]

Mmmm ok

[valid flume]

Atk ele whatever we broke af dont follow pin

[jade prawn]

Why is ammo a core line

[valid flume]

Is it not?

[jade prawn]

Well, if you run bastion you can cover the ammo part

[valid flume]

Without it she will reload during burst w high ca

[jade prawn]

But then you lose out on some damage if you had run onslaught

[valid flume]

Ok so only cs core line

[jade prawn]

Damn man 4.9% cs line

Talk about luck sack

Ok I guess

2 atk, 1 ele, 1 ammo

2 hitrate 💯

1 critrate

[dark hawk]

Not mine but fuck this one

[jade prawn]

Ok man

[dark hawk]

Well he lose ele dmg

[jade prawn]

I be getting tweet suggestions for perfect rolls man

[autumn igloo]

Crazy stats, how many rolls 🤔

Anyway we won't have enough

[dark hawk]

[wicked marten]

Wait onslaught is better than bastion/resilience?

[valid flume]

@visual elbow the Tia trick used here, but u could also try to align the RH burst to hit both boss and the 2 missles on the right angle

[visual elbow]

gonna try that, sadly my scarlet is 5/4/5

[valid flume]

no i was just showing u the RH+tia , just happen to be in sbs thread

[visual elbow]

how is the burst generation so high? is this about this tia trick?

[valid flume]

@jade prawn i think Tianaga > Bunnies on GD at high level, the Tia shield too good to bypass 1 missles and hence optimize the damage we desperately need

[valid flume]

no its not Tia trick, just the comp itself has high burst gen. The Tia trick is u see i intentionally hit only 1 missles and let the other missle hit my nikke while they are shielded by Tia, or iframe by taking cover if no Tia shield and not able to gun down the missle

[jade prawn]

If you're really good at aiming core sure, otherwise noir is not only SG with red circle buffs to destroy gd, but she's also wind

And since they both are similar on non core / low core uptime bosses I think bunnies should be better, you just have worse bunnies

Alice scarbs bunnies liter should BiS gd Solo Raid team

[valid flume]

but i optimize th damage like

10% more

by having Tia block

and i get to deal more damage ignoring the missle

at high end the red circles not a big problem anymore

i feel like most of time for me is the wave of the missles

[visual elbow]

last time i tried GD my main problem was modernia takes like 150 bullets out of the 300 on the mag to do 1 single circle

didnt had the bunnes at the time though

neither liter

was using doro, tiga mod RH

now i will try with liter with either tiga or bunnies

[valid flume]

should be easier with bunnies in SI

[visual elbow]

also leveld a skill or 2 since then . so i should be doing a bit more

also i overloaded my first piece of gear, a Noir gloves. 1 rock i got hit rate and crit rate. better than nothing

not gonna spend more rocks on it though

[valid flume]

wow did 150 pulls no ssr at all on sbs banner

anyone got scammed the same

fk is this

[dark hawk]

Gacha hell

[visual elbow]

i did got a few SSR, but no pilgrim at all

just a bunch of useless elysion

wish i could remove that manufacture from the game

[potent stag]

[visual elbow]

but i did over 150 pulls though. not a single scarlet. had to mileage

[valid flume]

My main acc got murdered, my union got murdered, a guy quitted over this bs

[potent stag]

she is just S tier

why force it

[visual elbow]

its scarlet, could be B tier i still would go in.

[potent stag]

tbh the reload of salt is so good

we get the best of 2 worlds

and

[visual elbow]

prydwen the best site

[valid flume]

gotta add a joke to negate bad tiering backslash

[robust abyss]

this will no doubt sound insane but I pulled her on my 3rd try

i started the game yesterday idk how this happened

[valid flume]

they just bait u in the a long squeeze dawg

[robust abyss]

wait what

[valid flume]

"beginner luck" some say

[robust abyss]

yeah I’m never expecting this to happen again

my dopamine is still skyrocketing

[jade prawn]

I got Laplace on my first pull and they roped me in for the next 14 months

Smfh

[robust abyss]

i don’t even know who Laplace is

[potent stag]

you don't need to know dw

[valid flume]

"your dopamine is delusional"

[robust abyss]

yes exactly that

[valid flume]

no i mean snake

pull a laplace and think he already high on sky

[robust abyss]

i still don’t know who laplace is, is she really overpowered or something?

[dark hawk]

finally something good

[potent stag]

@valid flume

sw is SSS, tier list makers are wrong smh

[valid flume]

one of the tier maker doesnt have snowwhite, what you expect

[jade prawn]

It was first banner

[valid flume]

Before it even came out Emily told me they nerfed her to ground

[jade prawn]

They did

It is also one of prydwen's old highlights

Shiftup had a lot of fun early on

[valid flume]

I hated that site since ludmilla sss so much I ditched it for nikkegg for months

[lethal sky]

[forest echo]

https://tenor.com/view/ernie-talking-gif-24143859

[rigid gale]

I dont even know who he is

Some high end players really be thinking theyre arbiters that newer/low spending players look up to sometimes when in reality theyre just players with a good high score in a video game that requires spending for max performance

Just let em yap

Thats what the thread is for

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[signal flume]

Amen. No name twitch streamer preaching it tho

[potent stag]

he is not wrong tho

[rigid gale]

Agreed

[potent stag]

he tagged the man itself

the mad man

[rigid gale]

Do you think zxous will be able to do a showcase without dying to the easy interception bosses one day in the future?

My bets will be on by year 3

[low tendon]

anyone know what the stat diff between mlb and nolb scarlet is?

with max bond and everything

[open sundial]

It’s roughly 6.6% though maybe you can get accurate numbers eventually

Each additional copy = 2.2% more than 0LB

So 10 additional copies (MCB) = 22%

It basically skims the bond stuff

But gives you a good idea

[low tendon]

thank you, so total is 14 copies for 22%?

[open sundial]

11 silly

4 = MLB

11 = MCB

[low tendon]

oh i thought mcb went up to 10

[open sundial]

You only need 7 more once you have MLB

[low tendon]

icic

[open sundial]

To get your very valuable, shiny avatar

[low tendon]

lol

wait is there any benefit besides the cbm on her photo

like the mlb gives a lobby thing

[open sundial]

Nope

MLB’s it

3 copies for non-pilgrim max bond which is 30 rank

4 copies for pilgrim max bond which is 40 rank

4 copies also the lobby skill cutscene

And then 11 copies for shiny avatar

Nothing else

[low tendon]

shiny avatar? like for my profile?

[open sundial]

Unless you count flexing in chat

Prismatic mode when you go ingame and tap your character avatar in top left corner at lobby

[low tendon]

ooooh

[open sundial]

There’s a toggle called Prism or something, if you try turning it on it’ll probably tell you to swipe harder because you don’t have MCB yet

[visual elbow]

or spamming photos of your team non-stop on the questions thread on the oficial discord instead of actually answering questions

[low tendon]

ill go look for one

in ranking

thx

but basically mlb is almost useless if im past 160 wall unless I whale for cbm right

and Im doing it for solo raid or smth

[open sundial]

1 copy is forever the safe and most efficient option… 0 copies = just like Scarletless people

1 copy = the possibilities are endless

[low tendon]

thx

i got 2 copies of her, so was thinking of using up all my mileage

but seems bad

so thx again

[open sundial]

It might be a good idea if you need 160 wall break anyway

Or if you just want a certain amount of… completion (MLB looks a lot better than less LB)

[potent stag]

400 gold tix might be too much of a hit for a f2p player

[open sundial]

But yeah it’s going to hurt you with future banners unless you’re convinced this character stole your heart and soul

[low tendon]

nah i can do it for free rn

if it was modernia i prob wouldve

but im out of gems

[low tendon]

im not that ocd

[wild trail]

why the amount of bashing just because wind scarlet isnt rated SSS in everything?

people really need to stop taking stuff content creator said/do and take it literally without context... think i saw a wind scarlet video demolishing ch 26 normal, with level 311 sync wind scarlet.... Which i think should get the whole team very close to blue CP, or is already blue CP, and comments be like, wind scarlet OP and stuff

[wicked marten]

How was someone level 311 and hadnt cleared ch26 before scarlet

[rigid gale]

whales dont always have skill

im looking at a whale rn that hasnt ever finished any of his meta nikkes and is trying to cope tower

[wicked marten]

Damn

[wild trail]

i mean, i personally just cant be bothered to try too hard in campaign, so i kinda left ch 23 -26 for a while and only cleared them like 2 weeks ago with 280 sync

thats how i understand the context that 311 is very close (or over) to the CP limit for stage 26 boss

[frosty hull]

which piece should i reroll first?

[rapid kettle]

max ammo one

work on it first

[rapid kettle]

this situation (demote a dps from versatile to raid only) works when you have a lot of options

we have too little

[deep musk]

next patch

or I quit

[valid flume]

sbs deal so much damage on boss that she outdps xludmilla on a water weakness boss in their first burst

[simple ice]

What's breakpoint for Scarlet crg spd again

[valid flume]

[simple ice]

Damn my scar no crg spd. Missing 1 shot then

[autumn igloo]

a perfect example of good RNG roll for her ... and no more rocks

[rapid kettle]

[wild trail]

this is annoying

i cant pair windlet with alice and noir... because my noir has 4x t10 at +3

bricked account

this is what happened when you try to raise CP by OL-ing non main DPS just to survive in pvp

[valid flume]

mid-level 204sync 35% decifit

not wall*

[limpid ridge]

I read that atleast scarlet still get alice buff when scarlet burst due to the 100% atk up from the kit

[tired ice]

Is it me or does Scarlet BS voice actor Japanese sound like Rukia From Bleach

[wild trail]

is that so? i should check the buff list when she burst then

[dusky star]

Reina Ueda

Diff

[tired ice]

Ok

[dusky star]

It's Ganyu in Genshin

[tired ice]

GOAT GIRL 🥰

[limpid ridge]

I at first also have same concern but the order of buff make it possible for scarlet to gain alice buff when scarlet is bursting

Burst 1 -> Burst 2 -> scarlet burst which give her 100% atk up -> full burst -> alice buff applied to top 2 ATK stat

Ofcourse when alice burst, the one who get it is alice and noir if your scarlet stat is lower than noir

[wild trail]

in that case it's not too bad then

since you'd want alice buff on burst, but off burst she will be fine

[limpid ridge]

Meanwhile Miranda SW MW 💀

[rapid kettle]

oh well

you will still lose 38% dmg by losing Alice buff on Scarlet non buff

1.3/1.7

[wild trail]

nothing i can do about it until i get more pilgrim t9m

and i refuse to whale on this game more than needed

[rapid kettle]

[grim iron]

bricked unless you wanna spend $100 USD to fix it

[wild trail]

i will also need rocks to get that atk subs too

remind me again, why did i think OL-ing noir is a good thing in first place....

[limpid ridge]

a bricked pilgrim is hard to fix since dupe hard to come by

Unless you go malding with rerolling ATK stat

[grim iron]

2nd best wind DPS

[rapid kettle]

100$ for 3 rocks

which will end in crit, def, charge dmg

1st best wind because Godlet is bricked

[wild trail]

this is the better case scenario, you're likely to just get 1 def line at top

[rapid kettle]

no, I mean 3 rocks

[full oracle]

Which cubes are people liking on Scarlet

[rapid kettle]

for 3 only line

one is def only, one is crit only and one is charge dmg only

so you fail both 2nd + 3rd line cases + fail to get best 1st line

100$

[wild trail]

prydwen has a good write up on the cubes you'll want, but tl;dr assuming you have the optimal breakpoint, it's the onslaught, otherwise use the cubes to meet those breakpoint for ammo/charge speed OLs

it also depends on your comp (noir/noirless) and skill 2 investment

[minor fox]

noir OL'd because of her s1

[full oracle]

Thank you. I was looking at prydwen earlier and I was a bit confused. Thought maybe resilience cube at first

[minor fox]

and for some months, her and blanc was unchallenged until schoolgirls arrived

[full oracle]

I have Noir/Blanc

10/10/4 | 4/4/10 respectably

[wild trail]

it was meant to be banter/self depreciating joke, since I've "bricked" my account cause of the atk value

[minor fox]

my noir also has 1 atk line and it's more than sbs

[wild trail]

fellow bricked account owner!

[minor fox]

[full oracle]

I have one OL gear on Scar and I rolled attack damage and nothing else

[stark ravine]

I remember someone in here regret RH MLB over Salt

[jolly cypress]

https://youtu.be/08ehI_BuRZ4?si=xYdnsAjhjmUf1WmA

well well...

[stark ravine]

i do agree with rank S on story mode

i'm the one that push a lot on hard mode

enemies can one or two shots attacker

[jolly cypress]

Some of these youtubers is still on that level yet, so they don't quite comprehend

even at Hard 15 most enemies can one shot

[rapid kettle]

remember

if you can't trigger your trauma with this pic

you are not there yet

[jolly cypress]

Those little sh*ts can one shoot us yeah? I don't get it why they packed a lot of punch

[stark ravine]

yeah, that is why high-single target dmg or auto-atk-wipe (A2) are best in pushing hard story mode

[rapid kettle]

I ain't gonna aim alice against those bullwhip

man, they are so brutal that I even remember their names

Bronchus + Bullwhip

the only combo

later there's Squid

[stark ravine]

you know, Shiftup should decrease Power in hard stages

they haven't touched it at all

nearly a year

[rapid kettle]

tentacle Rapture that suck you dry and put reload debuff

well hard mode is not meant for everyone

you push normal for stories, rewards, outpost lv.

But hardmode is where serious shit happens

I think they are fine with easy normal

but hard? Better luck next game

[stark ravine]

future chapters feature harder enemies

hence power should be adjust to balance it out

[rapid kettle]

I didn't find joy playing against Ultra

[stark ravine]

do you remember the cancer ex stage on chapter 20?

[rapid kettle]

UNTIL I fought it with 200k cp

[stark ravine]

the one with 5 jelly fishes

[jolly cypress]

My Hard Campaign strategy so far:

• Spam Rocket with Tia generate a lot of burst
• Use White scarlet Ult
• Spam Rocket again, Spam with Redhood rinse and repeat

[rapid kettle]

oh boy

[stark ravine]

try that on hard mode

[rapid kettle]

[stark ravine]

[rapid kettle]

I could never imagine fighting Ultra in hard mode

with even 30% deficit

[stark ravine]

I use bunnies team to push with A2

A2 wipe ever trash quickly

[jolly cypress]

sadly my A2 is only LB0

[rapid kettle]

actually

[stark ravine]

I have her at 3* xD

[rapid kettle]

ex stage = no penalty

whatchu smoking

[stark ravine]

oh yeah, forgot xD

[rapid kettle]

let me slap you back to reality

but Squids do make their appearance in C24~C26

so yeah

we are dead

[valid flume]

she should be SS if a2 can be there

[rapid kettle]

from my pic against 9 bullwhip

[stark ravine]

so from 8 on ward, SBS become SAD

[rapid kettle]

even against a stacked of 6 enemies, her dmg drops pretty fast.

[stark ravine]

Scarlet drunkard is still better than SBS

[rapid kettle]

you are fine if mob doesn't oneshot you

[stark ravine]

SBS is for whale/raid try hard

just people hype on SBS, i personally like the balance of SBS

[jolly cypress]

I don't know why people are butthurt over this stuff, they can use Redhood, Modernia, and white scarlet then, no problem

[stark ravine]

we have too many broken NIKKE's debut recently

THE HYPE

[jolly cypress]

This is just Redhood all over again lol

[stark ravine]

also she looks straight out from Metal Gear Rising

[rapid kettle]

pierce is broken

[stark ravine]

RH is better than SBS one level

[wild trail]

well.... that's why contexts are important.....

[jolly cypress]

I'm even can't get past15-12 Hard, F my life man

Should be proud of myself or should I cry at the corner

[rapid kettle]

oh come to think of it

do you all remember 13-9?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhyuBnJoJbY

imagine using Godlet here

hell nah

[jolly cypress]

this stage has like swarms of mobs

[rapid kettle]

but A2 should wipe everything

constantly

swarms and they start oneshoting after 7s

[jolly cypress]

Not just that one stage, maybe there are more stage with zerg rush or some shid

[rapid kettle]

Scarlet has her own stages I agree

like small stack

she will strike them into oblivion

but not these

while A2 performs well no matter what except boss

14-12

lmao

13-9, 14-12, 15-18

[jolly cypress]

damn, if A2 that good I should've MLB-ed her

[rapid kettle]

no need

[stark ravine]

YESSSS!!
You just motivate me btw, my power is higher than your but only until now i can push this stage.

[rapid kettle]

a 7/7/7 should do

actually

it was Austin

[jolly cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/motivation-mc-gregor-vergil-meme-motivated-gif-16091534

[rapid kettle]

who showed me the video of A2 clearing 14-12

[wild trail]

A2 has her use, and definitely the only abnormal unit that will see some use in late game, compared to 2B which pretty much got powercrept hard...

[rapid kettle]

on auto

A2 is that bullshit against swarm stage

[stark ravine]

the stage that drop many many enemies at the start and the end of wave

basically, the end wave is a real problem because of burst cycle

[jolly cypress]

here's my team for your references

[wild trail]

A2 will excel, if there are swarms of mobs/durable boss parts/quick regeneration of boss parts

[rapid kettle]

I really hope the new sim room 2.0 gives enough skill mats

[stark ravine]

I got the schoolgirls last month so they are not up much

[rapid kettle]

we have so many interesting nikkes

but being gated by skill mats

[stark ravine]

and RH is LB0

[rapid kettle]

I'm fine with OL is the scarce resource

but skill mats

damn

[jolly cypress]

They said the overclock is coming this January

[stark ravine]

when enemies summon mobs, they are fast blasting mobs

[jolly cypress]

And I still don'thave my pilgrim hand for SBS

[stark ravine]

those with machine guns...

[wild trail]

skill mats isnt that bad, as long you're not in the 10/10/10 everything group

[stark ravine]

also something about 15-6 hard off the burst cycle in the end

[rapid kettle]

10/10/10 Godlet

[wild trail]

let me clarify....

[rapid kettle]

too late

[wild trail]

for a unit like sanis.... some people will insist on 10/10/10, as opposed to stopping at 10/10/9

because going from 9 to 10 burst is small increase, but costed lots of material

[rapid kettle]

I will wait for you all in 17-15 with 297k cp

but what if

I'm OCD

[jolly cypress]

dang 18K difference in CP

[rapid kettle]

huh

18k?

[stark ravine]

his best team vs mine

that is what he mean

[jolly cypress]

mine 280124 cp

[rapid kettle]

ah team cp

[jolly cypress]

gotta grind those dust

[wild trail]

most unit will be viable, at 7/7/7 (or less) and the cost to 7/7/7 a unit, is like half as cheap in terms of skillbooks, when compared to 10/10/10

[jolly cypress]

15-12 really pain in the bum, with those artillery raptures mang

[wild trail]

so while it's not EoS like bad, it's definitely not ideal, and more skill books are always welcome, as it'll allow more people to put more skillbooks to their other nikke

[rapid kettle]

ah 15-12

same as 14-12, A2 will do quick work

[wild trail]

obviously, that argument goes out of window if you're in the min-maxing group, and therefore you have the right to feel aggrieved with the amount of skillbooks currently present, because there's definitely no way (not even by swiping) to make sure you're competitive consistently

[rapid kettle]

unless checkpoint is required

else skill effect goes pretty linear

for example, if one level increases your dps by 4%

then next lv it's also 4%

unless you compare your new dps with your previous then diminishing return

[wild trail]

the cost of the upgrade is also stupid

how on earth can one justify having same cost when upgrading SR skills and SSR skills

thats basically invalidate all SR units

[rapid kettle]

hence I keep my Scarlost at burst 5

[wild trail]

[rapid kettle]

if my scarlet can't kill mob with her burst lv 5 then she won't at lv 10

[valid flume]

bro the waves are mini

she will take it down

them*

[rapid kettle]

doubt

[valid flume]

no she hit fast her 3rd hit proc align as they coming out

whats her problem is

when the stage drop like an elite, then another elite that charging his shot preemptively, and drop like 15+ mobs surround them

then sbs is nulified

but that stage, the waves come out like 3-4 raptures as one

they will die to sbs

[stark ravine]

Scarlet is better than SBS.
Fite me!

[valid flume]

at first i also thought sbs seem bad for campaign wise

cause i compare her with existing nikkes

but i feel like she just introduce a new mech...

like her aoe is not perfect but its working

but once she finish aoe

the stage boss who remain, not gonna live long, out of burst she hit these guys okay

[stark ravine]

For anyone wondering why A2 better than SBS in pushing campaign as both deal aoe dmg on normal atk, is that A2 deal peak dmg with each shot right away, while SBS need time to build it up.

Either A2 one or two shot trashs

which essentially on hard stages because those stages are basically quick draw, which team shoot fast lethal shot first, likely won

[jolly cypress]

so A2 need to burst first?

[stark ravine]

well, you need to burst first in hard stages anyway

and both charge burst almost as fast

problem with SBS is that she deals lethal hit after few shots, which give enemies enough time to take down your team

[valid flume]

sbs = dorothy + drake + a2 + mod

[stark ravine]

she is a little bit of both yeah

i was trying to get SBS 3*, but Modernia spook me

oh well, another dupe xD

[tough stag]

Team looks nuts

Imma try it out

[rustic rivet]

There is a reason Utsu has that role. I blocked him for like months already

The only person who has that special role but worth talking to is Gatrix because his violation is just his not being able to control his tendencies

In most cases the crying cat emoji = not worth talking to unless you want drama, again except Gatrix

Not only cc but almost everyone

We are renaming our tier lists soon

I think we are gonna explicitly state Story (High Deficit)

[jolly cypress]

How much is considered High deficit in this case? 30%? 40%?

hmm, what Am I at right now... lemme ask chatgpt

[rustic rivet]

32%+, but 30%+ is already maldy enough

34%+ is where you kinda have to tryhard

[jolly cypress]

31.52% is my deficit

[rustic rivet]

Tf just use calc

[rustic rivet]

That is normal.

[jolly cypress]

nah I ask chatgpt, faster that way lol

[rustic rivet]

You should be able to see SBS doesn't perform that well.

Most people are just around 15%.

Then they talk shit.

[rapid kettle]

but momo isn't

he pushed with pretty high limit I think

for me I will wait for Onii chan posted his clip. Mofo has the highest record for now (42% deficit)

the god hand

[jolly cypress]

Nike GG hasn't release SBS tierlist yet?

I wonder where they'll put her

[rapid kettle]

I recall them faster than Prydwen always

may be Sjay is sick

[jolly cypress]

What happened if Nike GG put SBS on S too?

[jade prawn]

Man you guys need to understand something

[jolly cypress]

Japanese Tierlist put SBS at S+, and no one seems to care

[jade prawn]

She's ultra tier for bosses.

But she's only decent on campaign

So her tier averages out to be SS

People mostly hated on prydwen cuz they either didn't know what story (late) is, or thought S tier was her "overall" rating

Reading issue, nothing else

[jolly cypress]

Clickbaiting material for sure

[stark ravine]

lack of dmg, have no problem with survival

[jolly cypress]

pretty much will stuck here for a while until I get my CP to be higher

[rustic rivet]

Uh i cleared 15-24 at around 273k

Can u tell me what that stage is about again

I cleared it ytd

Might help

[rapid kettle]

lots of stun shit

[rustic rivet]

Oh the stage with 2 stuns in each wave?

[rustic rivet]

The stage with 2 stuns each wave you kinda need RH

Dont use Alice

Her ammo management will be gay af

[rapid kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX5muCeR_y4

when I tell them

just use A2

they hate me

[rustic rivet]

Oh yes A2

I used A2 for that

Or no

Maybe I only used RH burst

Or maybe I sniped the boss with RH + Max

Try a few other variations

At ur CP, RH + Max shud be able to snipe boss

Run like

RH Tiga Maxwell Mod

[warm dune]

[rustic rivet]

Hitrate OL is good for campaign

Cus u will not burst for a long time sometimes

Just waiting for CD to reach 0

Like 20 secs+

So ur rerolling helps

A lot

[valid flume]

this team went to chapter boss

[rustic rivet]

Use Max

Snipe the boss

15-18 right

I MAX-ed that stage

[valid flume]

no i just show the team

[rustic rivet]

Oh

Ok

[valid flume]

" went to chapter boss"

[rustic rivet]

I can see Scar being useful in that stage

Id just snipe the boss and sleep tho

Easier

I didnt record it sadly

[valid flume]

my mw not that strong

hmm

oh i guess it

[rustic rivet]

Wdym ure in Chapter 26 hard

[valid flume]

hmmm

im still at nihilister

[rustic rivet]

Tiga helps

U prolly cleared it without Tiga that time

[valid flume]

ye thing is i know that stage

i always use

snowwhite

[rustic rivet]

Max without Tiga only hit 60%

With Tiga

Its dead

I think RH and Mod stole Max's buff

Thats why

Lmao

[valid flume]

my ol line on mw is absolute garbage i forgot what it looks like

no my mw has higher atk than rh

my rh

has 0 atk%

[rustic rivet]

Thatd be the case for my gay ah A2

[valid flume]

actually slave stat

[rustic rivet]

Atk better on A2

For story

Maybe not for raids but so far there isnt a problem

Cus she either goes with 2B or Mod

2B might be meta next raid

But the problem is

Kill mobs with burst = no damage to boss

[warm dune]

kisenix cook me some raids teams

[jade prawn]

Ok man
Put that in ol guide and I throw hands

[warm dune]

one day

@jade prawn @rustic rivet

[rustic rivet]

No shit

Id rather move A2 down

And keep 2B at S

[rustic rivet]

But no

[warm dune]

actually this is a bit better

[jade prawn]

Rapunzel noise are fine imo

In SS

Diesel guilty centi, yeah

[warm dune]

rupee admi too

[rustic rivet]

Guilty is I doubt tbf

[jade prawn]

Hmm maybe later

[rustic rivet]

Admi no

Centi is

[jade prawn]

I'll think after restructure

This is fine for now

[rustic rivet]

No

[warm dune]

admi S tier

maybe for lolicons

r u guys lolis

[rustic rivet]

Admi is good for those without good Alice

[valid flume]

your pfp

[rustic rivet]

This tier list is not for you

Its for general public

[jade prawn]

She's great for reload teams, old meta but if people want an option of reload teams is fine

Anyways

This is not

Tier list discussion

Stay on topic pls

Or move to other chats

[warm dune]

general public should know what end game units to use

[rustic rivet]

Is she even considered loli

[warm dune]

[warm dune]

wat r u gonna do? ban me?

[valid flume]

u2

[warm dune]

wait can u ban and unban

[jade prawn]

g!ban @warm dune

Gimme perms

[sullen sigil]

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You are missing the necessary Discord permissions to be able to run this command:
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[warm dune]

[rustic rivet]

• Liter Blanc SBS Alice Noir
• Volume Tiga RH XLud
• XMica Dolla Maxwell Helm Mod
• Dorothy Marciana Priv SW Yulha
• XRupee Miranda SHelm SAnis Scarlet/Guillo

Oh wait

Guilty is gone

[warm dune]

top two teams look fine

then it gets poisonous later

[rustic rivet]

Gay ah

[rustic rivet]

Trust me its not

[jade prawn]

#raid-planning go there

[rustic rivet]

It just has bland look, good taste

[potent stag]

Oh Sr is up

[flint lion]

SBS SSS?

[rapid kettle]

if only she was in Paris

[warm dune]

[flint lion]

[warm dune]

what if gatrix gets banned again

[rapid kettle]

see you pleb in 2025

also I did nothing

I just have weird feeling for French

probably not because they invaded us twice

[stark ravine]

so many pings

i see hard stage 15 traumatize you guys a lot

@jolly cypress for a dumb fuck reason, the objects that centi aim can charge burst, any NIKKE can attack it and charge burst faster

[rapid kettle]

Sil pls

hitting ground gen burst

isn't it common knowledge?

[stark ravine]

💦

how the heck i could last so long until now

[rapid kettle]

[tranquil portal]

i dont think it is

[rapid kettle]

people playing on auto and slander prydwen TL for putting Scarlost at S Story

[warm dune]

prydwen tier list sux

mf'ers got centi in S tier for bossing

lemme reduce this boss defense by 10%

[rapid kettle]

that's her burst gen

and one hit block shield

who will she compete among S tier bossing B2?

[stark ravine]

so chapter 15 hard is bullshit because of many stages with armies that just need a few shots to shoot down my team...

[rapid kettle]

peak 15-18

[tranquil portal]

the one with double stunner at the start ?

[rapid kettle]

15-18?

huh?

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-27377993

how could you forget 15-18

one of the biggest sin, among 13-15, 13-24

[hybrid gazelle]

what cube to put on windlet if i meet the charge speed threshold?

[rapid kettle]

the one and only cube

that increases her dmg

Onslaught

by 3% I think?

or 1.5% during burst

[hybrid gazelle]

[rapid kettle]

yeah

but I was talking about lv 7

your 3.8% will result into 2% dmg increase

[hybrid gazelle]

no way in hell im buying onslaught fodder from the shop

will level it up passively from solo raid

[rapid kettle]

forgot to reply this

[hybrid gazelle]

thanks still

[stark ravine]

15-12 hard, can only drain the boss HP to 8 bars...

i have to wait until my team become stronger, but yeah it doable

[rapid kettle]

can you just

roll more attacks?

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1192384899756335174.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[forest echo]

Holy shit that's terrifying

[open sundial]

Doesn’t stacking more charge speed count as a form of damage increase? So Adjutant too

[rapid kettle]

yeah except her dmg outside of her burst

I could never

[rustic rivet]

Gatrix is now purple

I mean

[valid flume]

anyone used sbs in motherwhale yet

[rustic rivet]

Prydwen staff

[valid flume]

how she deal with the tanky wave

[rustic rivet]

Gatrix | Prydwen

Gay

[rapid kettle]

she can't

MW is

ELECTRIC

how can wind pierce that electric shield?

is she Yasuo or Yone?

[valid flume]

oh....

she hit too hard i want to use her in everything lol

[rapid kettle]

until you can't

mark my words

[potent stag]

she won't hit hard soon

dw

[valid flume]

[rapid kettle]

this hooman is so persistent

[frail elm]

why not?

[potent stag]

more stats on enemies

she doesn't scale

[vague crown]

I like how 80% of the text in #community-votes is about SBS's background more than how good she is

[frail elm]

does that mean modernia will be better than her long term?

[dark hawk]

I'm safe

[potent stag]

imagine if you are not with some whacky att rolls from ol

[rustic rivet]

Its taken from Prydwen review's introduction. Been a thing for months

Its not meant to be a summary anyways

[vestal kettle]

20hits/burst atm, should i reroll?

[open sundial]

Pretty sure she scales crazily

[potent stag]

what I meant was due to her dmg being split

with harder stages

[open sundial]

Yeah

[potent stag]

she will do less dmg by default

[open sundial]

That’ll crimp her game

[potent stag]

she obv scales off very well with buffs

[open sundial]

It’s a little too blanket statement though. She isn’t soloing them

[potent stag]

she is like aoe version of sw

at that some point she should

because offburst is a myth

[open sundial]

Sometimes the cruelest wave needs to be addressed by the first burst

[potent stag]

tbh not for you

[open sundial]

Other times the second burst

[potent stag]

when you're on blue cp at last tage of hard

[open sundial]

Yeah but I pushed through that chapter while in power deficit with a fresh Red Hood pre-buff

It was difficult enough that when I beat Ultra, my team died a second after because the game kept running the poison even as the boss died?

Victory screen with everyone dead

[potent stag]

[open sundial]

Perhaps it’s true now that I will have a hard time testing campaign with SBS even if they release new chapters… RIP

[potent stag]

no witness stayed alive

[open sundial]

But my experience’s still there 👀

Unless the game throws 2 or 3 bad big waves in a row, SBS can just do the burst that doesn’t need to clear the wave

[potent stag]

from my experience the 15 sec burst mod is needed for the aoe, when you need a second aoe she might be good

I have a stage for that but I'm out of books

can't test it rrn

but she bullied mod out of from raid teams

[pastel pasture]

Odd question but mlb scarlet bs or mlb modernia?

I got pity and both are lb2

[wicked marten]

Whats better on sbs assuming level 5 cube, charge damage or charge speed?

[potent stag]

bastion

charge speed

according to calc

[wicked marten]

I thought bastion wasnt needed with noir and level 6 scarlet

[rigid gale]

Man never built liter bro

NEVER BUILT. LITER

[jade prawn]

Piece 1
Keep atk locked
Lock CS
Reroll for ele for perfect piece.

But before that piece:
Reroll 2nd piece until you get 2 meta rolls, or 1 meta roll on 3rd line.

3rd piece is fine imo, but you can change it the same way I described in 2nd piece

[rapid kettle]

apparently, this jp agrees half with me and half with momo

fyi, mf cleared 17-15 with 279k cp team, aka 42% deficit and still pushing around 41% on c18

[limpid ridge]

Liter Blanc Noir Alice SBS

Liter manage to steal Alice buff

[rapid kettle]

grandma needs that carrot stick

[limpid ridge]

Leveling liter OL gear for cp padding was a mistake lmao

Noir 71k attack
Liter 65k attack but two ATK OL line 💀

[rigid gale]

I think following one person in particular's opinion on campaign pushing as gospel isnt healthy anyway

I mean momo is the same person that insists red hood is better as a b1 in content

So its good to see a more dynamic perspective on things like meta

Like prydwen having schoolgirls in SS was such a meme imo

[jade prawn]

It allows for 40%+ CP deficit clears

If you know who commented

He's someone who uses the "momo comp" to clear stages at high deficits

If you saw skyjlv video
He uses the same squad

Commcord, .gg and prydwen all promoted this idea and it has spread to every server now

Like it or not, redhood b1 is a very real thing, and it's super meta. However it needs proper knowledge of the game

[jade prawn]

Hey man
N.gg have her at S

We all underrated her cuz she they are so hard to execute with

[rigid gale]

The point isnt to say that strat isnt valid but to say there is a probability that it isnt the only strat for pushing campaign. There's also the fact the some low end players may not necessarily push to that degree of a deficit. Depends on the player

[jade prawn]

You are correct

It really does depend player to player

That's all there is to it

[dusky star]

Are you telling me to find a new meta on my own rather than following accessible statistics?

[rigid gale]

If I was to entertain that strawman that is exactly word for word what im saying

[jade prawn]

Yes

#1167462163527499928 message

If you have everything
Salt is basically used when it's a wind stage (this considers you probably have ele rolls), or you can easily clear mobs but cannot kill tanky units (which salt is used for)

[rapid kettle]

[jade prawn]

https://youtu.be/bWVzh-9UYKA?si=8DGVVRe0TSx9oV2r

Good vid

Skipped some of it
Juratus pointed out that burst should be lvl10, not lvl7

So do that

Apart from that good review and good suggestions

[warm dune]

who was the guy who had the animation cancel in nikkepedia

is it possible in practice

[open sundial]

I think the animation cancels when the game suspends you for clicking too fast

I haven’t heard anything about it in practice, presumably most people are going for letting AI autopilot her

[rapid kettle]

there's no animation to cancel

using Nikkepedia

I could never

last time A2 taught me well

[valid flume]

we might get our utility pilgrim supports soon™️

[open sundial]

I want Elysion face melting carry though

Duel at sundown?

[minor fox]

K will be the elysion carry

[valid flume]

K

[warm dune]

decent enuf

[open sundial]

Noir is a comparatively weak damage dealer

She’s decent, average, non-carry

Utility and enabling blanc are why she’s on the team, and she bursts only to avoid weakening the damage output of Modernia or whoever the other B3 is, if their bursting isn’t good

She sometimes gets used to AoE burst if you have no other option, but you have options now…

Dual Scarlets for example

Which means her stealing Alice or Maxwell buff is lamentable

But, if you do fine in the end then it doesn’t matter

For months my Alice was having her buff stolen when the other B3 bursted

I never realized, never noticed

[rapid kettle]

3% on my book, but pleb said 5% diff

in that case, just slap Onslaught lv 7 on Scar, she will compensate that dmg

[open sundial]

Did you say charge speed cube isn’t as good as charge damage cube? I didn’t understand your answer to that from before 👀

[rapid kettle]

Onslaught is charge dmg

Adjactent is charge speed

[open sundial]

Yes I meant before you said some kind of emoji when I asked the question another time

[rapid kettle]

I don't remember but okay, actually I haven't math-ed it yet because both feel overwhelming smol for me to consider

[open sundial]

I think it’s clear though, you’re saying Onsalught > Adjutant if ammo is taken care of

[open sundial]

It’s the exact same emoji

[rapid kettle]

as long as it's not required to break checkpoint, I will slap whatever

[open sundial]

Oh, alright

Onslaught does sound cooler than Adjutant anyway

[simple ice]

Wait your Noir no OL but stealing buff? You can just roll 1 atk on Scarlet

[minor fox]

better wait until tomorrow and test it out in challenge mode for real because sync 400 and core/lb diff can put sbs ahead of noir

unless your noir is like c2 and your scalt is only lb0

[simple ice]

Oh still savable

Just OL Scarlet, noir wont steal buff

[minor fox]

in my case, scalt is c3 and noir is c1. in nikkes’ page, noir is still ahead of scalt. but at sync 400, it should favor scalt

[tired ice]

10/9/4 damn she needs that

Ah ok

I was panicking

Ah ok Mahalo for the info

[minor fox]

if your roster is still quite limited and is using modernia a lot for raids, leveling noir’s s2 is good just to buff up modernia’s ammo uptime

[tired ice]

I use School Girls mostly

[minor fox]

or xlud

[tired ice]

Yes X-Lud is Retarded

She should be renamed Fem Bot

Booba Canons

[rustic rivet]

Tf why u ditch ur elementals

Bro

[vestal kettle]

diff acc

[rustic rivet]

oh

[vestal kettle]

2nd acc only has 3 equips atm

[rapid kettle]

I guess Scarlet should be SS story then

[minor fox]

what the hell

[open sundial]

It’s alright, don’t mind whatever tier others give Nikke characters

[rapid kettle]

each of her shot is as strong as 1 Scarlet slash

[open sundial]

If in your heart she is SSS tier and you do well, just go with the flow

[wild trail]

If RH gets buffed for lore reason, then scrublet should get nerfed cause she’s the worse version of current scarlet

[tired ice]

SHUT IT 🥰

[rugged mortar]

what subs for her

[wild trail]

OL subs?

snake should've pinned something for that

just read it in conjunction of nix's comment on her s2

[rapid kettle]

[wild trail]

because the s2 and your other units will influence how much investment

[rapid kettle]

what's the diff between lv 5 and 6

actually add lv 4 too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169657939820625/1171029718821245008/Wakoro.gif?ex=655b3169&is=6548bc69&hm=5fe78e2fff2ea2f5e5916aeb3dd4f7d58399c071ae924a5c58ea3317664f0133&

[wild trail]

there's a JP TC that make that breakdown, but i dont know where it is

i think if s2 = 4, then you need the bunnies + 2 ammo OLs

[rapid kettle]

46.66%, 48.88%, 51.1%

4.2/4.4/4.6

ah lv 6 pushes your ammo from 4 => 5

[forest echo]

Most of the other community vote posts have a summary instead of lore dump

[stark ravine]

SAS 7/10/10, pairing with bunny team, right?

[rapid kettle]

Summer Anis Sparkling?

[jade prawn]

Yeah I was too lazy

xd

Ill remember to add a summary next time

[stark ravine]

SBS

damn typo 😄

[wild trail]

you dont need to skill 10 SBS s2, if you're pairing her with liter + bunnies and some OL, 4 is enough, and i think 6 is recommended break point, and 7 is the absolute worst case (i.e. solo SBS with no liter + noir support)

[forest echo]

Update it

[jade prawn]

No, you can't edit the box
You'll have to redo the commvotes

[forest echo]

[open sundial]

A stick to bonk horni commanders with

[rustic rivet]

We revamped Prydwen introduction

It was a summary but now it's just the background and a bit of introduction to the mechanics

There is no summary at all because ure supposed to read the guide anyway

This will help reduce drama related to illiteracy

[jade prawn]

No it's just about who writes it

[forest echo]

It was always nice to see the summary of a unit and someone's thoughts about it

Now it's just a lump dump wall of text that 95% don't care about

[jade prawn]

Bro iz one time

Iz my thoughts

Just ask me my thoughts

[forest echo]

What are your thoughts

[jade prawn]

She mid, skip banner

[forest echo]

Ok thanks

[jade prawn]

On a real note
She's a must have, must pull nikke
She's a single target specialist DPS, has very high damage. Her AoE is on the weaker side but she can take on 4-5 elites if you ask her to. Just don't pair her up against 15-20 raptures cuz she'll do very little damage, unless you just want cleanup damage for that stage to assist another AoE nikke. Her main use is on bosses where she will outdps everyone unless if there's pierce present or one of the major DPS like modernia have elemental advantage

[forest echo]

That last comment about her outdpsing everyone is truth

She destroyed my RH who's fully maxed and mlb against the first boss in UR

With 444 skills and no gear

[rustic rivet]

Ill regret not MlbIng her

[forest echo]

I got her twice in 60 pulls and then I pity the rest

Time to skip the next 2 banners

Best investment

I also got MLB xlud in 30 pulls

[dark hawk]

You sbs 4/4/4 beat you Rh full ol? Ugh you Rh sucks bru

I mean my SBS beat my Rh too but not 4/4/4

Now is 7/7/7

And yeah, Rh sucks against no core no pierce boss

[compact viper]

the perils of taking tier lists as gospel

[swift knoll]

How much Atk does a spare body give?

I can't run her with my Alice currently, assuming I use the bunnies as support

coz LB2 Noir got higher attack than my LB0 Scarbs atm