I’ll get around to Alice. But that’s a bit later
#[Scarlet: Black Shadow] New Unit Megathread
gloomy fog
vestal kettle
just use mw if you want charge speed bonus for sbs but dont want to manual someone
thorny fulcrum
what is sbs
gloomy fog
My MW is 1/1/1 too 
fast marten
soo I was using alice with my RH for schoolgirls, but I suppose since I need alice for my sbs
I'll use maxwell w/ RH
mang you got some work to do lmaooo
thorny mirage
Ppl gonna practice Saltlet for wind coop anyway 
gloomy fog
mang you got some work to do lmaooo
I put everything into my hyper carry pilgrims first
fast marten
@jade prawn sooo like, definite sbs best team is bunnies + liter?
how long you been playing for?
jade prawn
Liter bunnies Alice scarbs
fast marten
that was to lost btw lol
fast marten
LMAOOO
gloomy fog
how long you been playing for?
3 months
fast marten
well RH, say goodbye to alice, she's leaving you
fast marten
whistles
gloomy fog
I don’t even have completed JK or bunnies, so they will get skill books before Alice/MW if they ever decide to come home
Although, I have the power to force one of them home with me now
fast marten
yeah when RH came out, I bum rushed the JK
thorny fulcrum
I don't even use RH in the first place, I think mine is 1/1/1 lol
jade prawn
I don’t even have completed JK or bunnies, so they will get skill books before A...
Be patient you'll get there
fast marten
actually
gloomy fog
Be patient you'll get there
Yeah I know…it’s a waiting game
jade prawn
We're 1.1 year in and still struggling
fast marten
I finished my JK skills before bunnies
thanks to snake over there w/ the skill investment recommendations
thhey all done
i just need to level blanc's burst to 10 and then focus back on noir
gloomy fog
I think I should just get units to 7/7/7 max and stop going for 10/10/10 so I can spread it around
thorny fulcrum
I think I should just get units to 7/7/7 max and stop going for 10/10/10 so I ca...
If you're new this is usually the way to go.
fast marten
7/7/7 is a more efficient way for your skill books if you trying to build multiple people up too
also not everyone even needs 7/7/7
thorny fulcrum
10/10/10 is for whales, waifu warriors, and old people.
fast marten
I slowly got RH to 10/10/10 over time f2p but it did take time
fast marten
yea I think she's literally my only 10/10/10
gloomy fog
Yeah. My only 10/10/10 is RH
fast marten
i was having fun in union raid with xlud even though she's only 4/4/4
but i did a dumb thing
jade prawn
10/7/10 xLud is fine
fast marten
and forgot to have bastion cube on both her and my mod
when i was running them with bunnies
jade prawn
Even 10/4/10 is fine
fast marten
yea i made xlud 4/4/4 for now and i'll go back to her later
sbs is prio
along with noir
gloomy fog
But I got her there because she’s the only pilgrim I will MLB. And she carries so damn hard
fast marten
I've only MLB twice
jade prawn
She do be carrying yeah
fast marten
and one I regret
thorny fulcrum
No unit deserves 10/10/10
eat me lmao
jade prawn
Dawg
fast marten
2B powercrept so damn fast for raid teams
schoolgirls came out and kicked the
2B crit team out so fast
halcyon silo
tbf 2b on release was already on the edge
gloomy fog
On the other hand…major regrets. Might reset her to 7/4/4 if an event comes around
hasty palm
Yeah at this point new characters are only safe if they come out near the top lol
thorny fulcrum
How many 10/10/10s do I have? I think four?
wooden turret
Scar burst skill effects happen 1st then "activates when entering full burst mode" effects come after from left to right
jade prawn
On the other hand…major regrets. Might reset her to 7/4/4 if an event comes arou...
Why
Why would u do that
Fr why
gloomy fog
Why reset or why go 9/4/4?
jade prawn
-> only campaign AoE that works
-> the BEST PvP nikke arguably
-> still gonna be used for electric bosses on both UR and SR
thorny fulcrum
Why would you reset scarlet lol
jade prawn
10/5/7 is ideal scar investment
wicked marten
No unit deserves 10/10/10
DOROTHY
jade prawn
I'd keep it that way
wicked marten
gloomy fog
Ok fine
fast marten
yea scarlet is still great
gloomy fog
I wanted to free up some books for other nikkes lol
jade prawn
Scar is the goat bro
gloomy fog
Guess I’ll just wait it out
jade prawn
After redhood
She's the best overall nikke 
gloomy fog
I thought sbs is better than her now
jade prawn
For bosses only
wicked marten
I wanted to free up some books for other nikkes lol
Arent you still around 160 wall or just gone past it? I dont think u need to be this strict with your building
thorny fulcrum
Is RH really the top unit in the game now?
jade prawn
Is RH really the top unit in the game now?
I mean, yeah
gloomy fog
Arent you still around 160 wall or just gone past it? I dont think u need to be ...
I spent 24k gems to pass it a few weeks ago. But I just got a drake dupe during NY pulls which would’ve gotten me across the wall as well 
jade prawn
There's nothing she's bad at
In fact, she's pretty fucking good at everything
thorny fulcrum
People seemed pretty meh on her when she came out and I didn't feel like figuring out which burst slot I should put her in so I just... never bothered lmao
gloomy fog
Is RH really the top unit in the game now?
I feel RH is just really good at all content, even if SBS can out damage her in some content
jade prawn
People seemed pretty meh on her when she came out and I didn't feel like figurin...
When she came out
She was trash
gloomy fog
RH got buffed a week later and became the queen
thorny fulcrum
Didn't realize the buff was that strong
gloomy fog
It doubled her burst damage I think?
wicked marten
Was basically twice the modifier on her burst
gloomy fog
27.8%->51.4%
wooden bramble
hey whats the investment for skills? 10/7/7?
thorny fulcrum
So how do you use her? Just throw her in B3 and give her the 
or what?
fast marten
it truly was great
gloomy fog
I was quite bitter (still am)
Why would you be bitter?
sturdy lion
Because it set a bad precedent
thorny fulcrum
Why would you be bitter?
I'm betting they didn't pull her 
gloomy fog
I'm betting they didn't pull her <:PomieSmug:1001774370072571974>
He’s a whale
thorny fulcrum
Oh lmao
fast marten
So how do you use her? Just throw her in B3 and give her the <:thumbsupanis:1024...
you can use her as your regular ol b3
and if you want, for one time, use her b1 instead of like liter
sturdy lion
Only Core 3
I spend proportionately to how happy I am with the game at the time. So I didn't roll much on RH
Only got her to MLB
fast marten
you can also use her as your 2nd b1 support for schoolgirls team
sturdy lion
(then she spooked me 3 times since)
wooden bramble
hey what does the 4.59% CS roll mean? do i need 3 rolls of 4.59 or above? or do i need a total of 4.59% CS across 3 rolls?
gloomy fog
That’s some good luck
jade prawn
hey what does the 4.59% CS roll mean? do i need 3 rolls of 4.59 or above? or do ...
Just somehow get to 4.59 yeah
sturdy lion
Ideally one roll
jade prawn
With 1,2 or 3 rolls
jade prawn
Wait Ive worded it wrong
sturdy lion
If you have low rolls, more are necessary
gloomy fog
Is 4.59% a breakpoint for something?
gloomy fog
One extra shot?
sturdy lion
She starts at 17 but can be pushed to 20
thorny fulcrum
you can also use her as your 2nd b1 support for schoolgirls team
How? She's got a 40s CD? Also she gives no CDR that sounds like a terrible idea all around lol
sturdy lion
(with Alice)
gloomy fog
Oh
jade prawn
How? She's got a 40s CD? Also she gives no CDR that sounds like a terrible idea ...
Well you'll be amazed
Lemme link u up
fast marten
How? She's got a 40s CD? Also she gives no CDR that sounds like a terrible idea ...
yeah people were using this comp to specifically push content WAY above their cp. Cus the naga, tia, RH buffs are insane on campaign pushing.
YEEAAA
DO TI
IT*
sturdy lion
She starts at 17 but can be pushed to 20
Essentially, for each 4.59% Charge Speed you get, you get one extra shot during full burst, right, snake?
thorny fulcrum
I'm mostly interested in raiding lmao
sturdy lion
So 1 line, 18 rounds, two lines, 19 rounds, three lines, 20 rounds?
Or am I misunderstanding
wooden turret
So 1 line, 18 rounds, two lines, 19 rounds, three lines, 20 rounds?
U can get 18 without cs line
Just max alice s1
jade prawn
I'm mostly interested in raiding lmao
For raids, she's just a b3
Use her B1 once tho
And sometimes like in CB Raid, u could also make use of her B2 to heal herself back up
wooden bramble
why is 18 so important?
jade prawn
U can get 18 without cs line
17
sturdy lion
why is 18 so important?
The big damage is every three shots
wooden bramble
is it because its divisible by 3 so u get the extra 750 damage?
wooden turret
why is 18 so important?
Legal
sturdy lion
You can fire 18 times without lines, but the 18th won't actually count
jade prawn
I'm pretty sure with alice it's
No cs-> 17
1 cs-> 18 (4.59% for comfort)
3 cs -> 19 (13.5% for comfort)
wooden bramble
okay so if u get 17 shots in, and then burst ends, shouldnt the next shot still be a 750 shot off burst?
gloomy fog
You can fire 18 times without lines, but the 18th won't actually count
Sword energy travel time?
warm dune
I dont think hitting 18 gets u the 750
jade prawn
Oh, I thought I remember 20 being said to be possible
20 is possible with 20% cs
dapper cosmos
even at 1cs for that 18 hit its really tight.
thorny fulcrum
Ahhhhh but do I really want to invest in RH when I could max out Rupee?
warm dune
The rotation u enter full burst on maingains
sturdy lion
Ahh, so you need god rolls
jade prawn
4 Cs lines
jade prawn
But it's 4 blue cs lines so be realistic
warm dune
dam mobile is hard
gloomy fog
Sounds like sbs is $$$ for investment
sullen sigilBOT
wooden turret
I'm pretty sure with alice it's
No cs-> 17
1 cs-> 18 (4.59% for comfort)
3 cs ->...
had 23 ammo.
no cs line cus i set it to the trial
18 shots
sturdy lion
Yeah, I don't work that hard to buff my DPS units, so 19 is plenty. 
wooden bramble
is she viable at 10/7/7? i dont want to use my burst books
sturdy lion
I like giving more units OL gear rather than squeezing out the last big of damage at the ceiling
jade prawn
had 23 ammo.
no cs line cus i set it to the trial
18 shots
More often than not
That 18th ammo will be shot without buffs
wooden turret
you can see her buffs still on the left
gloomy fog
but B1 at 10 is a must right?
It’s still just more damage
S2 to 7 sounds more necessary than s1 and burst to 10
jade prawn
you can see her buffs still on the left
Yes but usually the 18th shot is without buffs unless u get a CS roll
Gatrix did it a bunch of times
With ~4.8% you will always get 18 shots, even if boss jumps
wicked marten
Does thsi assume alice s1 level 10
gloomy fog
pffft money won't help with rock rng
Someone said you get 6 more tries per month?
fast marten
6 more tries to roll shit
halcyon silo
With ~4.8% you will always get 18 shots, even if boss jumps
wat if the boss pretends to be stormbringer/mw and is off my screen for 5s 
sullen sigilBOT
fast marten
knowing they can all be shit
at that point, the $$$ spent can just be for the units themselves or skins
speaking of skins, noise
sullen sigilBOT
fast marten
fast marten
I would personally say RH
in the end, nikke is a marathon
you'll get there eventually
gloomy fog
Right
gloomy fog
They will keep releasing more powerful units lol
sturdy lion
Gems
gloomy fog
Although SBS may be the better choice for upcoming SR since it's Wind-weak
I have no hope of getting in top 10% anyway. No pairs complete
sturdy lion
Like SP Arena, it gives a hefty sum at higher ranks
fast marten
Mighta been skipping out on some past challenge mode cus I was under the impression
you didn't get nothing
wwon't make that mistake again
one day we'll have the perfect 5 team setup
gloomy fog
Like SP Arena, it gives a hefty sum at higher ranks
Top 10% is like 1k gems. You really need to be in top 3% for the good stuff I think
sturdy lion
That's still a lot of gems for F2P
fast marten
mmmhmm
gloomy fog
That's still a lot of gems for F2P
Point being is that top 30% is probably 700 gems
sturdy lion
And top 3% is feasible for anyone who's played for six months and doesn't have garbage luck
gloomy fog
So it’s a much flatter curve at the bottom
fast marten
aye any free gems is based
twilit peak
Top 10% is like 1k gems. You really need to be in top 3% for the good stuff I th...
even if you forgot to do the challenge in the end it still gives around 800 so its still pretty good amount
thorny fulcrum
Top 10% is like 1k gems. You really need to be in top 3% for the good stuff I th...
The best part is I have all but 6 nikkes in the game, and because one of them is Scarlet I literally can't climb in PVP 
sturdy lion
Just beating Stage VII gives top 40% in NA
gloomy fog
Yeah. I finished 10.45% last SR. I’ll probably be there as well this time. I can’t push higher without JK/bunny completed
fast marten
Just beating Stage VII gives top 40% in NA <:kek:798677933253853245>
yea i def need to make sure i do challenge haha, gotta not stop anymore.
gloomy fog
That’s why I think I should invest in RH as the general carry instead of SBS just for this SR
sturdy lion
Yeah, if you had one pair completed, you'd probably be fine. But missing both is painful
fast marten
The best part is I have all but 6 nikkes in the game, and because one of them is...
big oof, the ones i dont own are tove, nero, xmas anne
I think someone else
sturdy lion
(especially if the missing one is Naga/Noir)
gloomy fog
I’m missing naga, but I have the selector. I’m missing both bunnies
So I’m sitting on the selector until I can pull 2/3 of the missing units
fast marten
Yeah. I finished 10.45% last SR. I’ll probably be there as well this time. I can...
knowing you been in top 10.45%, mang, i really been nerfing my SR gems
i'd prob sit at like top 5%
gloomy fog
Probably lol
jade prawn
Anywaysss
fast marten
With ~4.8% you will always get 18 shots, even if boss jumps
so say you were comfy with just 18 shots
and you get the 4.8 withh just 1 cs line
would the other lines be charge dmg lines you think?
jade prawn
Back on topic
sturdy lion
You want three rolls of 4.59% or higher
Charge Damage is pretty much always inferior for OL subs
As pins say, 4x ATK, 4x Ele, 3x CS, 1x Max Ammo
halcyon silo
ngl the 3 charge speeds to me sounds like a dream
im happy with just atk/ele +1 max ammo 
fast marten
well, getting the 3cs is where you can start, worry bout the % later
halcyon silo
would u rather ahve 3 cs or 3 ele/atk tho
sturdy lion
Mhm
halcyon silo
im pretty sure ele/atk wins out
sturdy lion
Depends on which you get in the third slot
fast marten
well the build is for 4 atk and 4 ele
halcyon silo
ill have enough rocks to get 4x3 line OLs next lifetime
fast marten
sooo
fast marten
ok it was fun but i zzz
jade prawn
so say you were comfy with just 18 shots
and you get the 4.8 withh just 1 cs li...
Yeah that's completely fine
Just go for 1 cs, 1 ammo, ele and atk
wicked marten
Does this 1 cs line assume alice level 10 s1 in the team
jade prawn
Yes
wicked marten
To get the 18 shots
Damn then id have to get my alice from level 9 to 10 as well
Ripperinos
halcyon silo
imo 6 is out of the question cuz ima press noir burst on a good run and then rage quit
valid flume
we got a new modernia SI full auto speed comp in town
edit: Bunnies same result
@grim iron
grim iron
sinful marten
Cum
open sundial
we got a new modernia SI full auto speed comp in town
edit: Bunnies same result
By 1 second
valid flume
By 1 second
auto > manual confirmed
wicked marten
Hey guys does alice choose who to give her buff to based on attack or final attack?
valid flume
Hey guys does alice choose who to give her buff to based on attack or final atta...
final
valid flume
we got a new modernia SI full auto speed comp in town
edit: Bunnies same result
fastest by 2s
jade prawn
Trust me guys I took this ss to compare damage 
valid flume
FK THIS BITCH
halcyon silo
Trust me guys I took this ss to compare damage <:hehhh:1176154708415623168>
is this like my ss where my centi beat scar in simroom 2s fight
valid flume
she hit so hard she deal extra 2.9ml
jade prawn
Man she's so hot
warm dune
dam i dont 1 shot in <15 seconds
with those comps
my b. scar is ass i guess
what ele u guys got
valid flume
after i see lorax lines i believe mines also trash and not worth looking at
warm dune
im only 23% ele
wicked marten
I gor 47
warm dune
im just missing it by 2 autos
wicked marten
Im missing charge speed tho
warm dune
😢
wicked marten
Wait why does element matter for amount of hits done?
warm dune
he has charge speed
jade prawn
jade prawn
he has charge speed
11% is 19 but it's close
wicked marten
Oh nvm i read what u said wrong
warm dune
i think ive spent 24 rocks
complete garbage rolls so far
vs. my red hood 80% ele and xlud 78% ele
in <10 rocks
warm dune
i guess it balances out 🤷♂️
jade prawn
vs. my red hood 80% ele and xlud 78% ele
Do you count 80 with cubes and base or just ol rolls
jade prawn
open sundial
Trust me guys I took this ss to compare damage <:hehhh:1176154708415623168>
Confiscating the rocks…
jade prawn
lethal sky
thank you ping cost me a death
Stooopid momo
Stop playing league of losers
Aram too ewwww
rustic rivet
At this point Id make a unit usable (not optimal)
I made XLud optimal, not usable, and overinvested
Usable would save you books and sanity
halcyon silo
Did u miss the joke 
jade prawn
Not caring would save you more sanity
valid flume
Stop playing league of losers
rustic rivet
I mean Leona probably needs 5 5 5 only (or 10 4 4)
lethal sky
<:Sadge:1081594433667080202>
Bruh dont hurt youself
valid flume
but im having fun
halcyon silo
Or what if she stays at 111 until I finally use her
rustic rivet
Or what if she stays at 111 until I finally use her <:Kappa:794017071880470538>
Tove Leona SAnis?
halcyon silo
Tove Leona SAnis?
Aren't u running a low chance tove then 
Xmidca to make up for it?
rustic rivet
Aren't u running a low chance tove then <:think:773560053969321985>
No, just get 3 stacks, wait 4 secs, run Burst, then manual her and sleep for 10 secs
And thats only every other rotation
halcyon silo
And then build up 3 stacks for ur next burst with drake?
rustic rivet
Since Tove doesnt actually reduce SAnis DPS in her off burst
rustic rivet
And then build up 3 stacks for ur next burst with drake? <:Kappa:794017071880470...
Maiden
rustic rivet
Cus she needs electric buff
halcyon silo
That's rough
rustic rivet
Ya but u need 3 back before next burst right
Thats why no need CDR
autumn igloo
Moran B1, maybe some hope to have another good B1
rustic rivet
I might be delusional Kos
But it does work
Cus I tried
Lol
No Leona*
@halcyon silo u know that
Sanis Priv and Tove 2ammo per stack still makes SAnis deal more damage?
halcyon silo
I think it might but it sounds rough
rustic rivet
Even without stack fishing?
halcyon silo
To play
rustic rivet
SAnis gains 1.5x more damage from Tove's buffs
And bonus atk spd
Like around 42%*
And the damage that she loses
Is equal to
4 hits 4 triggers, vs 4 hits 1 trigger
rustic rivet
R u losing DPS in doro team without priv tho
Of course
Tove Leona Guilty Sugar Helm
Is probably the team now
Which was
Ironically
The best SG team for Solo Raid* last time
Poli instead of Leona*
rustic rivet
Werent people just using viper for the invis
No
Someone did nearly 1b withiut Viper
Used Poli
So with Leona
I already expect 1.2b+
jade prawn
Go to #1049651485086060584 for Leona or get muted for 2h
Get back to ontopic for #1189528036165550252
wooden turret
With ~4.8% you will always get 18 shots, even if boss jumps
oh i realized her s1 just requires her to shoot.
so even if boss jumps, she can just shoot the air to trigger her s1
wooden bramble
hey how good is she in pvp?
wooden bramble
i thought elements were disabled in pvp
wooden bramble
those rolls kinda blow
wooden bramble
805 dollars? O.o
wooden bramble
well at least u can afford to spend that kinda money
warm dune
that is true looking at the bright side
jade prawn
<@390152688605593603> <@308926283482398720>
I spent 2 rocks to get this much
I guess u have an extra atk
warm dune
hybrid dome
Convince to use mileage for BScarlet rather than gacha more (so i can save ticket and gems for future unit)
open sundial
im f2p now
Can one be F2P again once they’ve swiped? 
stiff kelp
what's her OL stats prio
open sundial
Anyone know the dmg difference between 0 charge speed full OLs that got 40% atk and Ele dmg, and the same but got let’s say 6%-9% charge speed?
I’m trying to get a handle on how much damage I’m missing out on if I just refuse to keep rerolling for charge speed
jade prawn
Anyone know the dmg difference between 0 charge speed full OLs that got 40% atk ...
40% ele Vs 5% charge speed
18 shots with ×1.4 = 25 shots worth of damage
Vs
1 extra shot
Atk is a bit diluted so, say probably 2-3 extra shots worth of damage
Instead of 7
open sundial
I meant having or not having, not replacing
Like one side of OL has 40% atk, ele, and 69% max ammo
The other side has exact same but with 6-9% charge speed
The difference between the two is that the other side with charge speed would be doing 2-3 extra shots?
jade prawn
No no wait
open sundial
So 2-3 strikes and maybe 1 proc?
jade prawn
So one side has maxxed out OLs with atk ele ammo but no charge speed
But other side has maxxed out OLs with atk ele ammo and WITH charge speed?
open sundial
It’s my OL gear, sec
open sundial
So one side has maxxed out OLs with atk ele ammo but no charge speed
But other s...
It’s from this #1189528036165550252 message
There are 2 empty lines (1 on different OLs)
And charge damage could’ve been charge speed
So I’m mainly using this to consider… “should I care to keep rerolling for charge speed? What am I missing out on?”
That’s why I asked
jade prawn
Yeah so
you're talking about diff between 17 and 18 shots
Its possibly as high as an extra 750% shot during every burst (usually 6 bursts) and as low as 250% shot during every burst
And those 750/250 nukes are buffed by blanc, noir and scar herself
glad bear
I can't believe this post is the 2nd highest in the research lab now.
jade prawn
How much charge speed do I need to eliminate this missed opportunity?
Total of uhh 4.5% I think is enough?
Kos said 4.95 before tho
open sundial
Can Adjutant cube be enough? 👀
RIP
Okay
So a good one charge speed line can do it, or a poorer one with Adjutant cube if still infinite ammo
jade prawn
So 1 charge speed with high roll is enuf
Otherwise 2 cs
open sundial
As long as 5%, then safe
rigid gale
40% ele Vs 5% charge speed
18 shots with ×1.4 = 25 shots worth of damage
Vs
1 ex...
you're so smart
theory crafters when damage formula
open sundial
```so a few breaks point here
4.9%: 18 hits
11%: 19 hits
20%: 20 hits```
Does it rely on any specific stat values on Alice, if we’re using Alice?
jade prawn
Max S1 alice
open sundial
That’s all, nothing about her OL lines?
jade prawn
Nah Alice own OL line doesn't affect anything cuz her buff is based on caster's charge speed
jade prawn
Just fewer hits
Btw I'm pretty sure you can still get 18 shots with lower charge speed OL, gatrix says for proper comfort these lines are better
open sundial
Well in campaign I’m more likely to use Liter, Blanc, SBS, Noir, Modernia, and just switch around SBS and Modernia as the stage or boss wants if I can’t just steamroll
Like I might still just use old Scarlet, or Red Hood, etc
jade prawn
And as rezagard showed, 18 shots is possible without charge speed
But those are inconsistent according to gatrix
open sundial
So.. that SBS won’t be with Alice as far as I can see, that ain’t raids
open sundial
And as rezagard showed, 18 shots is possible without charge speed
But those are...
Huh
jade prawn
18 here possible but time left is very very low
Any frame drop, boss jumping causes it drop confirmed
And sometimes it'll hit after buffs have expired
Hence why 4.9% is needed
hybrid dome
is the highest allies with attack kind of buff for base attack or include OL line?
jade prawn
Include
hybrid dome
hmm scarwind indeed can't get buff from my alice then
if i use bunnies
it hold me to take Noir dupe from GSSR
open sundial
Hence why 4.9% is needed
So uh
Photo’s on wrong device but I think I need to share it for impact
jade prawn
Bro god rolled
open sundial
Hence why 4.9% is needed
Figured it out
It’s a trade off but I think everybody and their grandma would hit Change 
jade prawn
At the cost of ele atk roll 
open sundial
jade prawn
It’s a trade off but I think everybody and their grandma would hit Change <:kekw...
Yeah lock and roll ig
Huge value possible
Charge damage is also decent
More diluted but still good
open sundial
Oh
wooden turret
Any frame drop, boss jumping causes it drop confirmed
And sometimes it'll hit af...
if boss jumps just shoot the air it still triggers her s1
jade prawn
if boss jumps just shoot the air it still triggers her s1
You won't be manualling scar so I don't think you'll be doing that
At least not fast enough to cover up for the 0.07 seconds
warm dune
u shud def switch to her to shoot if boss jumps
open sundial
Hehe
Well I’m satisfied now. All the ammo I want even if I don’t use with Blanc squad
Some losses, down to 33% atk and 27% elemental damage
But 6% charge speed and 121% max ammo
open sundial
It’s still at 4
jade prawn
Some losses, down to 33% atk and 27% elemental damage
I thought u got ele back
open sundial
I can reroll the stats but yeah
Getting that 6% charge speed at max value on line 3 put me in a hard spot
But you can bet if I rerolled with 100 rocks I’d probably never see that again
I can now reroll the other max ammo trifecta though
jade prawn
I literally never get ele fr
open sundial
It risks 11% atk
jade prawn
Get atk easily but never get ele
open sundial
It has cdmg, atk, max ammo
jade prawn
Except on Rh, I don't have proper ele on my nikkes
open sundial
In any case, ele dmg being ele dmg
We’d only care if we fight wind-weak foes
So the real non-competitive loss is that atk part
Cuz if it’s not solo raid rankings, this SBS is probably going to melt wind-weak bosses anyway
jade prawn
Ye it shreds
open sundial
And vs non-wind-weak Solo Raid, similar
jade prawn
Full auto on mod is possible now
open sundial
I think I’m priced out of rerolling on SBS now
My options are:
OL1:
- 8.60% cr.dmg
- 9.54% ele dmg
- 9% atk
OL2:
- 52.5% ammo
- 9.54% ele dmg
- 6.09% ch.spd (black, locked)
OL3:
- 9.54% ele dmg
- 13.22% atk (blue)
- empty
OL4:
- 16.44% cr.dmg
- 11.81% atk
- 68.93% ammo
I’m stuck until I have rocks to burn on small gains or % rerolls
At this point safer to % reroll the ele dmg ones hoping for 29% (but not the one with locked ch.spd)
Hmm oh I can only reroll OL1 % safely
Guess I can also risk rerolling OL3 effects
I’ll give OL1 a stab now
Used 3 rocks, no good… stopping here before I hit 0 rocks like Austin
warm dune
open sundial
I think my total rock use for the final results now was around 40-50, I should’ve kept track. I was in the 50s before I got SBS and OL’d her
Now I’m at 9 rocks today at the end
soft flint
I know it's a full burst week, but I still need more rocks.
open sundial
Tomorrow I’ll have 10/4/10
Then I guess I’ll see if I should bother with raising S2
Then I’m probably at this point going to start hoarding rocks for the next Great Thing™️
hidden sand
tranquil portal
Is it good to stop at 9/4/7 skill levelling? My JKs are 1/1/1 
Or should I push 9/7/7
abstract crag
1% rate working as intended
open sundial
Is it good to stop at 9/4/7 skill levelling? My JKs are 1/1/1 <:AdmiOno:10851280...
Who? Naga?
grim iron
Who? Naga?
They mean SBS I assume
open sundial
If SBS, SBS is like Alice. Wants that sexy 10/4/10 at least
dusky star
9/7/9
open sundial
But you manage your resources so
Right
Otherwise if you must be as cheap as possible without having to tell people you have a 4/4/4 SBS, you can try 7/7/7
grim iron
honestly I would recommend getting the JK duo to at least 4/4/4 before continuing with SBS investment
open sundial
Actually I now realize what he meant. Maybe
He wants to work on his JKs
So was hoping we’d enable him by saying yeah, he can stop at 9/4/7
grim iron
yeah
wild trail
4 in s2?, is there a specific comps that enables her to infinite ammo? i've pretty much not read any discussion on this since yesterday
open sundial
4 in s2?, is there a specific comps that enables her to infinite ammo? i've pret...
I have 4 and she doesn’t run out of ammo, but I ended up with 2 max ammo lines
There’s no specific comp, it’s how her S2 works
wild trail
last i read (think kisenix) said that 1 OL ammo
so i suppose 2 OL ammo allows her to drop investment?
open sundial
When burst happens - hers or others’ - she spikes her max ammo hard with a buff
Then restores ammo on the spot
grim iron
well if you can get that lucky with rng on OLs sure
open sundial
So it’s like she’s refilling ammo without reloading every time squad full bursts
grim iron
last I checked you can't control what OL stats you get unless you got infinite rocks to roll
open sundial
At 7 it’s 100% reload so
wild trail
last I checked you can't control what OL stats you get unless you got infinite r...
or infinite wallet
grim iron
infinite wallet still gets cucked
there's not that much rock bundles to buy even for whales
tranquil portal
Yeah just stop and work on them
Okay then i still haven't bought any of the skill mats in the event so i could still save to level 7 SBS skill 2 so she's 9/7/7. Thanks! 🙏
wild trail
so if my rng is on the shitter side, skill 2 to 7 is the safe bet
open sundial
I think at 4 it’s 60% reload
grim iron
Okay then i still haven't bought any of the skill mats in the event so i could s...
nah don't go work on your JKs
wild trail
otherwise 4 will do if i can get 2x ammo OL
open sundial
Tbh x2 ammo… is probably too much. Just need 1 high ammo roll
grim iron
I just have 2x ammo/2x elemental/1x charge damage atm also lacking pilgrim gloves
wild trail
so regardless 1 ammo ol or 2 ammo OL, she's self sufficient?
tranquil portal
I could pair her up with bunnies since her reload will be on 60%
open sundial
And due to the ammo stuff I mentioned, being with Noir helps her not have to get max ammo lines / S2 as much
wild trail
so investment in s2 can be dropped lower if i want to put her in bunnies comp
thanks
grim iron
pretty much
wild trail
i suppose that's pretty much the update on her investment then?
open sundial
I think the advice was 10/6/10 if with bunnies and 1 max ammo, because Noir assists with the ammo
grim iron
the goal is to have her shoot at least 18~ shots during full burst
wild trail
ah one more thing
open sundial
But look at me, I’m going on 10/4/10 with no ammo concerns
wild trail
can AI do 18 shots without speed OL?
open sundial
Unreliable but yes
wild trail
or does alice s1 takes care of it?
open sundial
Alice S1 gets her to 18 shots, without it’s like 13
grim iron
no idea honestly I don't want to pilot SBS at all
wild trail
i mean... if you're pairing her with alice, no way you'll let AI pilot alice... too unreliable
open sundial
You need, supposedly, 4.9% or more charge speed to safely have 18 every time
wild trail
unless you can somehow quick shot swapping both in 0.3s time
minor fox
there’s no gaming chair tech for scalt?
open sundial
Disclaimer: This does not take into account you trying to fight a grasshopper
minor fox
p sure thetr will
wild trail
There is, but risk of not fully charging the shot is there, resulting in dps loss
I assume her s1 contributes to the bulk of her dps?
open sundial
It does
S1 + Burst really
The whole reason there’s this 4.9% charge speed breakpoint is that the 18th strike is a division of 3, ensuring you’ve landed at least 6 of her strongest procs
I heard someone say 19 hits possible but idk anything about that one
wild trail
So 1 high charge speed, or 1 mid speed + speed cube
minor fox
so I’m guessing I need that high cspeed line real bad
grim iron
yeah for auto SBS to hit those numbers better
open sundial
I frankly can’t be sure but I tried asking how big of a loss it is.. it can mean you drop a 750% final attack proc outside of full burst and buffs if you don’t have it and she just misses the window
grim iron
but who even has rocks to OL all these god dam characters
open sundial
So… you decide if that’s worth getting, basically means risking doing one unbuffed 750% final attack just outside of full burst, every time SBS bursts… but it won’t always happen
Even when it’s not SBS bursting, it’d be Alice bursting, and SBS would then be trying to squeeze in that final attack inside full burst duration
minor fox
open sundial
Meaning SBS is still doing those 18 strikes or trying, on Alice’s burst..
soft flint
I went from 50 to 5 rocks just trying to get more than one OL line on a piece of gear.
Game is mean
open sundial
I feel lucky 👀
Need more people telling me how bad their OL rolls were and how they lost all their rocks
grim iron
Yeah getting good OL lines is...
open sundial
grim iron
actually the worst even compared to pulling for a pilgrim banner
open sundial
My final OL effects #1189528036165550252 message
silk quest
I think having charge speed is the only first step
grim iron
at least I can force a pilgrim home still can't do that shit with OL stats
silk quest
you have to click very fast so your buffs last that long too
definitely not Tia, she brings 0.5s cd internal
jade prawn
top/bottom? no other ammo line
Bottom
grim iron
bottom for sure
jade prawn
Bottom is 2/3 rolls bruh
jade prawn
top/bottom? no other ammo line
Lock ele after rerolling for good values
And lock Cs if u get a good roll as well, and then roll for mid line atk/ammo whatever u get
But for now just Reroll attributes if anything
jade prawn
Lock ele after rerolling for good values
And lock Cs if u get a good roll as wel...
This is for when u decide to make rolls even better
minor fox
yea but no ammo means she’s stuck with liter+bunnies+alice ig
silk quest
I don't think you need Liter
you want 17 ammo at least right?
- 4 from her own S2 at min
- 4 from Noir S2 at lv 5
- 9 base
=> 17
you can even slap a bastion in to make sure you never run out of ammo during burst
jade prawn
yea but no ammo means she’s stuck with liter+bunnies+alice ig
No
I mean, liter bunnies yes
But if u don't run Alice u don't need the ammo
Just run bastion on her
minor fox
for SR i think at least she’s gonna go with alice
and then with no ammo line, no choice but bunnies
b1 can be volume?
jade prawn
b1 can be volume?
Can't infinite ammo if no liter
But running bastion can get u pretty close
minor fox
sooo, liter+cspeed cube?
jade prawn
It's pretty much clear scar will go to bunnies btw
Tia Naga is not for her afaik
minor fox
or is cspeed cube not needed if with alice
definitely need it right?
since my cspeed OL line sucks
jade prawn
Cs cube to get to 4.9% maybe
U should Reroll that line cuz it's 13% ele
Attributes I mean
Maybe u get a decent ele+cs line
light spire
Good stat?
jade prawn
top/bottom? no other ammo line
Cs can get u to 4.7%, should be fine
Otherwise just use bastion to increase number of total shots and less reloads
minor fox
meanwhile this guy
jade prawn
Good stat?
Yes, this is fine
light spire
fuck off
Sorry bro it just my friends be like only the ammo stat is good so i just asking opinion
jade prawn
Sorry bro it just my friends be like only the ammo stat is good so i just asking...
Ammo+CS both good
grim iron
your friend is dumb
jade prawn
CD also good
light spire
your friend is dumb
Ikr
minor fox
can her s1 crit?
grim iron
if it had attack or elemental on 3rd line that would be godly but charge damage is also okay
someone donate me pilgrim gloves and rocks please
jade prawn
Lmao I also don't have gloves
But I got 1 atk 1 ele and am waiting for one more rock on leg
grim iron
I got 2x ammo/2x elemental/1x charge damage/1x crit chance
jade prawn
Hoping for atk/ele+ammo/cs on leg 
jade prawn
I would've gotten the t9 selector if it wasn't worth 5 monthly skin passes
100 is too greedy
summer iron
only thing has any real value are the $5-$20 packs
beyond that it just gets overpriced
open sundial
I hope they don't release another Nikke that entices me to go for lvl10 skills in burst 💀 For... 6 months. Yeah, that sounds about right
jade prawn
Overclock soon
twilit peak
you guys are getting pilgrim pieces?
except arm, yeah 
grim iron
<:dentge:1062342675631706153>
duo supporter pilgrims I'm ready for it or supporter + defender
just no more attacker pilgrims please
alpine oriole
just no more attacker pilgrims please <:deadge:1014951072072216626>
those idiots are driving their rev to the ground because they keep saturating the atk pilgrim pool
ain't nobody gonna roll for a butt with no parts available
grim iron
nah people will if anything it just creates a bigger gap on leaderboards
those with good rng will remain the same
those with bad rng and not willing to spend $100 USD on a stupid selector box will drop
and whales just stay winning...?
alpine oriole
prob sbs will be the last atk pilgrim for a while, I can't imagine that they will be brazen enough to add more
dusky star
B-b-but Pilgrim are famous for being meta carry, higher bond lvl
tough stag
Og scarlet powercreep is real
jade prawn
Next up is abnormal powercreep
minor fox
Just with 100 USD, you beat the rng
I'm coping that because of all the other shit in the pack, it's not worth 99 USD
obsidian elm
obsidian elm
lmao that's true
but yeah, scarlet already my hero
she helped me get past modernia in hard mode chp 13
wind weak and all that
oh yeah, i was also going to bring up, i remember it being brought up that she shouldn't go for ammo up OLs, but is that true?
especially when a smart thing to do to save on manuals is to not max out s2
obsidian elm
yeah, i figure for her burst, it makes sense to maximize mag size to ensure no reload happens
grim iron
effectively the goal is if you're running her along with alice you want SBS to fire 18~ shots during her full burst
wooden turret
oh yeah, i was also going to bring up, i remember it being brought up that she s...
If u run with bunnies, then no ammo OL needwd
obsidian elm
ahhh, so alice does boost SBS's 'shots' per bursts?
grim iron
yes because charge speed
obsidian elm
no, if you run bunnies, s2 doesn't have to be lvl 7
grim iron
from her S1
obsidian elm
right, right
if you run JKs, then SBS s2 should be at least 7
to guarantee full ammo refill, while with noir, the 60% from lvl 4 or whenever it happens + noir's ammo refill tops up her mag good enough
obsidian elm
yes because charge speed
but damn, that made me realize that trying to go for charge spd OL still kinda sucks
green hedge
Is it possible to play without OL CS? Like use Alice to buff instead...
summer iron
Is it possible to play without OL CS? Like use Alice to buff instead...
yeah it's fine without OL CS, it's a bonus but won't brick her if she doesn't have it
just pairing her with alice is good enough
acoustic grove
so what are the skill priorities for this Scarlet?
rustic rivet
Refund my Tove and XLud so I can up Scarlet pls
I think refund will only happen in May
Half anniv
😦
edgy hazel
Nyo
rustic rivet
4 months of bricked acc
summer iron
they use to give out skill resets when they re-balanced characters, but stopped cause it's easier to make money not to
obsidian elm
i have like 15 skill reset manuals
but they are literally useless without skill reset days
i actually got half a mind to use a lot of them this time around
but I can't
tranquil portal
anyone have her advise cheat sheet
summer iron
tranquil portal
thanks
summer iron
under the name hongryeon_o
green hedge
I wish it's me
rustic rivet
I wish it's me<:tombrokenheart:1168786945338515486>
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS
green hedge
Just use it
rustic rivet
USE IT IN ARENA TO FUCK JACKALS AND RED HOOD BECAUSE 2X DAMAGE?
warm dune
Its better than my rolls
silk quest
I don't think wind weak monsters/bosses are that popular
green hedge
70.68% reroll after solo raid
rustic rivet
I don't think wind weak monsters/bosses are that popular
I think more Iron and Fire bosses will come
warm dune
Blocked
rustic rivet
Ok pop 2 orange molds
I believe if I hold up to 10 gear pulls, Id get 1-2 Pilgrim attacker body. Amen. I believe in group pulls.
Which exactly coincides with start of solo raid
warm dune
I open asap
rustic rivet
chilly kestrel
hmm why sbs hit core number looks like a truck
200% dmg on core?
green hedge
Why keep Mod's dupe 
loud cypress
what OL prio for BScarlet?
silk quest
ATK > Ele I think since there're not much issue with wind weak enemies
and ATK is generally good
sinful kite
how much burst gen each atk she gain ?
tranquil portal
224k gems, must be f2p
jade prawn
224k gems, must be f2p
Nikke 5
tranquil portal
hoarding gems for Nikke 2
proper rampart
No cake?
celest kestrel
jade prawn
teal plover
What's her pull priority
hybrid dome
is that S2 lv 7 if not paired with bunny?
obsidian elm
yes
noir gives a refill that stacks with nu Scarlet's refill, so if you plan on using scarlet with bunnies (or at least noir), then you can have it between 4 - 6
most likely 4 if you settle on using an ammo OL line (or two) with nu-scarlet, since Noir also increases ammo.
but without bunny twins, 7 is recommended for that 100% refill
to minimize the possibility of reloading mid-burst
shy vigil
does anyone know if alice s1 takes into account attack buffs ? it's going to be really hard for scarlet to take the s1 buff in my bunny team lol
hybrid dome
i need to make Noir attack lower then if paired with Alice
proper rampart
I need rocks to:
- Finish OL Scarlet
- Take Atk lines off from Noir
- Give Scarlet Proper lines (The 2 OL she has now are both Hit Rate)
low tendon
How is sbs against bosses with parts?
obsidian elm
yeah, you have to lower noir's atk by either changing the OL lines or something, and bumping up scarlet's to ensure that scarlet gets the buff
units with pierce or bigger AoE should still be better for bosses with parts, I'd think, because scarlet's AoE is non-existent, and it's not like she has pierce, lol
obsidian elm
idk why people are saying nu scarlet can't clear regular campaign maps, i'm having pretty good success with it rn, although the maps are weak wind rn, just entered chp 14 hard
potent stag
she can, just not the best
obsidian elm
ah, i guess the S rating is fair.
potent stag
like imagine scar dps on a rock stage
obsidian elm
definitely SS on wind weak maps tho
potent stag
with that many targets on screen
neat juniper
Scarlet is worth using for more than just her damage 
jade prawn
What's her pull priority
Equal to modernia
teal plover
cap
obsidian elm
she helped me get past modernia in hard mode chp 13
forgot to post it, but this was the dmg chart i did
my JKs still need way more investment.
i'm aware that they're better for scarlet than bunnies
potent stag
imho scar with 100% efficient dps makes her chart look better
but still sick charts
whats the ol's on her
teal plover
is she better than og scar?
obsidian elm
i mean, no doubt this looks conflated af, cuz it was vs modernia on chp 13 hard, she weak to wind
yeah, on top of working with more teams than regular scarlet.
regular scarlet can only really keep up with other, more consistent DPS if she partners up with summer anis, cuz she provides a buff for her that only works with elec units.
potent stag
sick rolls
obsidian elm
but yeah, with modernia weak to wind, scarlet's dmg vs her was real conflated, lol
potent stag
my pilgrim gear is so scuffed, I have 1 full set then 3 gloves 2 chest pieces
obsidian elm
but it's for the best, got past her with a 111k deficit
potent stag
I have like 2 ol per dps rn
obsidian elm
i remember suggesting elsewhere that they gotta take notes from AFK arena on this instance, lol.
that gacha has a 'scroll' item that lets you convert the 'faction bonus' of a gear.
aka, convert manufacturer bonus of a gear.
in that game, the equivalent of abnormal (dimensional) doesn't naturally drop, though.
rigid gale
Scarlet is worth using for more than just her damage <:YuniBooty:103048087851580...
Youre so original and funny
potent stag
they should give us some of that just for abnormal gear at least
then maybe the abnormal drops can be useful
obsidian elm
exactly, i hope they consider that, i already said so on the survey.
because yeah, it feels bad to be MOST players by now
rigid gale
But anyway people at one point said midhood till they showed shithood could be used to push story
neat juniper
Thanks 👍
rigid gale
So i mean if you really wanted to push with scarlet its possible
obsidian elm
who either missed out on any abnormal units, or just plain didn't pull for them.
so abnormal gear dropping is just cancer.
rigid gale
From what sky said scarlet black and modernia are interchangeable
obsidian elm
lol, so true, so far, all the abnormal supporters have been SR, and I highly doubt that will ever change.
because attackers ofc sell
rigid gale
lol, so true, so far, all the abnormal supporters have been SR, and I highly dou...
Misjudgment
obsidian elm
unless they wanna make a summer anis 2.0 for the next collab unit
potent stag
supporters sell, its just their gear is not important
rigid gale
Just make a supporter than can also deal damage. Its been done so many times before acting like it hasnt feels weird
potent stag
we have 0 "support" units that has gear rec
obsidian elm
i guess they could do something like JKs/bunny twins for abnormal with a defender/support duo, with the attacker as the SR, somehow
like i said, summer anis 2.0 is the easiest thing to do.
potent stag
I wonder what she needs to be a support with ol requirements
rigid gale
Just make a supporter than can also deal damage. Its been done so many times bef...
Which is what summer anis is
Case in point
Besides this game needs more supports anyway
So many teams but most supports are just cope outside of the twin teams
potent stag
supports with 0 dps can also be pullable, none of them wants ol except for cp padding
rigid gale
Year 2 should focus on selling very good b1s and b2s tbh
teal plover
i just realized they are running back modernia too lol
obsidian elm
yeah, i feel bad for pilgrims, lol
obsidian elm
been a whole year and then some, 9 attacker, 2 support, 1 defender
teal plover
actually its only 1%
teal plover
1% is really rough tho
teal plover
first red hood i got from pulls was at like 90th pull
rigid gale
been a whole year and then some, 9 attacker, 2 support, 1 defender
The fact that dorothy isnt even a good supplement to liter is amazing lmao
Cmon shift up
teal plover
on the other hand
potent stag
liter set the bar too high tbh
obsidian elm
honestly, dorothy is, until you get to hard mode pushing.
potent stag
its a good thing if they don't powercrept her in year 2
teal plover
first 10 pul
obsidian elm
then she falls off a cliff because her atk going down makes her whole kit shit
rigid gale
honestly, dorothy is, until you get to hard mode pushing.
Thats the issue
obsidian elm
besides her burst cd reduction on reload
teal plover
The fact that dorothy isnt even a good supplement to liter is amazing lmao
she is on bosses
potent stag
besides her burst cd reduction on reload
last bulllet 
rigid gale
she is on bosses
Read
obsidian elm
privaty