#[Scarlet: Black Shadow] New Unit Megathread

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jade prawn
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6 if u check pins for some odd reason, I didn't read it

valid flume
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full clear
SBS burst seem to be used on Elite, focus them down first before dealing with smaller raptures (as she hit those like a truck)

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i got GD on the plate next

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weak to SBS

warm dune
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@jade prawn did anyone confirm if its .2 delay at start and .23 delay at end?

lavish breach
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Damn

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If only it was charge spd

low tendon
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How many charge and ammo lines does scarlet need

languid drum
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Auto oscarlet is good enough?

valid flume
languid drum
valid flume
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Need to know the OL lines that she needs vs what she wants, which is the core lines that makes her functional @jade prawn ?

dark hawk
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Atk and ele? Doro

tranquil plank
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Based on what I've seen so far, as long as you are running her with the bunnies comp, you should only need one ammo line to not reload but if you're running Alice as well, not too sure

open sundial
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Is this sexy?

valid flume
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Atk and ele are not core functional linee imo

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Any unit will work with them, just figuring out which cs or ammo % would be the most needed on her

open sundial
valid flume
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Where are those lines on mine

valid flume
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Most of time 99% of us wont get those lines

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So im looking for what makes her functional

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Like xlufmilla wont function w no ammo

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Function a bit w 1

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So whats the deal w sbs

autumn igloo
lethal sky
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Why do we need to place noir to the left of scarlet?

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I'm confused by the pins

valid flume
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so more ammo

arctic hatch
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Prolly for scalter to replenish ammo after noir max ammo buff

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And not before

valid flume
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wow no noise skin what happens @lethal sky

shy vigil
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But if you place her to the left Alice or scar are not bursting

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Unless you do manual

arctic hatch
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I think it doesn't matter if s2 is lvl 7 tho

uneven flame
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New scarlet better than OG scarlet?

silver galleon
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What do folks around here thing of the new Scarlet?

open sundial
valid flume
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the ol Lorax posted before was godtier

valid flume
autumn igloo
jade field
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he made that up

warm dune
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@jade field why uy spreading misinformation

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it does matter lol

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3 more ammo refilled if noir is left of b.scarlet

jade field
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prove it

wicked marten
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How necessary is charge speed? If i have 3 attack 2 elemental 1 ammo do i bother rerolling them?

valid flume
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let me swap mine with 2 cs for your 3 atk 2 ele 1 ammo sir

warm dune
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@jade field is right i have spread misinfo

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noir/b.scar positioning does not matter

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@rustic rivet @jade prawn

latent oxide
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no way, I thought placing noir and blanc to the left and right of your chosen nikke increases their crit rate by 1000%

warm dune
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@crisp root u too

tranquil plank
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dats crazy

warm dune
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u can do any positioning u want

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i spread misinformation due to critical reading gap

jade field
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you get full either way

spare basin
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is she good

jade field
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as expected lol

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single damage on par with modernia

hybrid dome
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How good Alice+BScarlet on JK team?

jade field
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i'll put that through the same boss

open sundial
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I did a couple shooting range runs, just what does Scope Lock do?

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I noticed my Alter Scarlet had 9 ammo with it on, 15 with it off

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So it appears to remove OL effects….. max ammo line is surely what’s missing with Scope Lock on

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In Scope Lock, she did 50% more damage than Modernia

jade field
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same boss
Alice on auto

open sundial
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But without scope lock, I got a different result and Modernia did more damage than Alter Scarlet

jade field
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cuz OL

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scope lock removed all OL

open sundial
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Yep, and skill levels. This one is 4/4/4

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Look at her power compared to the others in the Scope Lock enabled screenshot

jade field
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skill level sync to 10/10/10

open sundial
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I need to scrounge skill materials Copium

open sundial
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Is there something that proves this that I can check?

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Hmm

open sundial
jade field
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without scope lock

warm dune
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whale?

lethal sky
jade field
valid flume
vestal kettle
lavish breach
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Woops

jade field
open sundial
lethal sky
open sundial
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I just shooting ranged with my Alter Scarlet and never ran out of ammo with 4/4/4

valid flume
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ye i dont take that bait no more cuz

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might as well go to victoria secret and grab myself a couple to wear on

open sundial
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But had OL effect giving max ammo, and had Liter and Noir giving a ton of ammo too

lethal sky
open sundial
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Which means even 6 may be unneeded depending on player’s comp and investments

jade field
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6 is good with 1 ammo OL

vestal kettle
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BlancStare for pvp?

valid flume
lethal sky
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Is cdmg makes alice or Salt charge longer

foggy atlas
valid flume
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ewwww bd2 ewww Hurrdurr

lethal sky
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Lol chill out

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They gave like some much free pulls

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What you want

valid flume
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nah some guys in my union plays this

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i dodged the bait

lethal sky
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But its not a bait tho

valid flume
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i took the apocalypse scarlet shiet

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it prolly cost me 2 c7 there

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not going to do it again

low tendon
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So her skill should be 10-6-10 right

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If paired w bunnies

lethal sky
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Yea

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No need pass 6

low tendon
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Thx

hybrid dome
low tendon
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Does she need ol gear

lethal sky
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Yea

low tendon
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Or like ammo lines at all

valid flume
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DONT DOWNBAD

lethal sky
low tendon
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Even with bunnies and 10-6-10?

cloud aspen
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do i roll for scarlet or for modernia (maximum limit break potential

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i have both

lethal sky
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Scarlet

hybrid dome
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Relax, i'm not gonna play it. Just want to know what game about

lofty creek
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What are her skills priority levels ?

cloud aspen
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would you guys say she's better than red hood?

lethal sky
valid flume
lethal sky
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Na

open sundial
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People and pins are saying 6 if with bunnies, 7 without, and you want 1 max ammo line on OL

warm dune
lethal sky
hybrid dome
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seem not that interesting. I guess the appeal is the character

placid steppe
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Is she worth the 20k gems I have on me?

lethal sky
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Well its gives hundreds of free pull

hybrid dome
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not Noise

valid flume
open sundial
hybrid dome
lethal sky
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Noise is a hard skip for me

hybrid dome
placid steppe
jade field
lethal sky
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Yes

lethal sky
valid flume
hybrid dome
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Why mod first option? it is because more versatile?

placid steppe
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I got modernia from when I rerolled during rh

lethal sky
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Na

hybrid dome
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BScarlet hotter imo

lethal sky
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Scarlet better

hybrid dome
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Mod is not hot, she is cute

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well her body is, but personality

civic verge
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guilty skill 2

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useful?

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for scar wind?

jade field
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no

low tendon
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Pull mod

hybrid dome
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Core 2 heh

potent stag
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do core 7

white python
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pull on scalter for chance of mod offrateheh

hybrid dome
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That's the plan

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but why they mention Mod will not available on BScarlet banner, confusing

potent stag
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@valid flume so... I got salt on 30 pulls

valid flume
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good now roll modernia

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and fuck u

potent stag
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roll or spark

valid flume
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got mine on 80

potent stag
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I'll spark I think

valid flume
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wait

potent stag
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and save for a non pilgrim banner

valid flume
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are u a shotgun meta believer?

potent stag
valid flume
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ok fk it roll it

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skip next sg comp bitch

potent stag
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btw I also got blanc so I got both bunnies now, what do I need from the ssr selector from the step up ?

placid steppe
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Yippee

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Pulled scarlet on my last multi

potent stag
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congrats

placid steppe
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And now I'm down 18k gems

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Gonna farm those

civic verge
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ScarWind at today's Chatterbox Interception. Bear in mind that, while my ScarWind is 9/4/5 and 2 OL with completely useless OL status, my regular Scarlet is my most invested unit, with skills at 10/10/10 and 4OL with optimal status.

potent stag
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@valid flume dude you're going to kill me

valid flume
potent stag
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2nd step of step up banner

valid flume
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wtff

potent stag
open sundial
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Some lucky dude in maincord said they had 200 gold mileage, did a Hail Mary 10 pull on Modernia, got Modernia, and now can gold mileage Alter Scarlet. Lucky KEKL

potent stag
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thats literally me

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my brotha

edgy hazel
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have anyone tried sbs in campaign? im mat-deprived rn

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cant quite test

hybrid dome
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momo already test it

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i think

open sundial
# edgy hazel have anyone tried sbs in campaign? im mat-deprived rn

I can only rely on personal observation, I can’t test the content (RIP!), but it looks like she’s not as good as OG Scarlet at screen wipe needs at steep deficits because you don’t have time to whittle down enemies, you need them all dead immediately while your team cowers behind cover to survive

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But when she doesn’t screw you up because of that, like if using W.Ludmilla would’ve worked, then she is crazy strong

edgy hazel
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oh. at least there's some hope

open sundial
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She has no damage wasted, if there are a couple enemies she will AoE them, if there is one enemy all that AoE condenses into a single target attack

potent stag
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so you're saying she is a better scar on solo bosses and worse scar on campaign

open sundial
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Exactly, she is a better boss killer (but so is Red Hood, Alice, W.Ludmilla, etc)

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Just one thing… her AoE is distributed damage. Her fatal weakness is going to have to be projectiles (because distributed damage ignores projectiles)

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She can’t mow them if they’re hit count projectiles, and she can’t mow hit count shields

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This stuff, W.Ludmilla is superior at

edgy hazel
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yeah

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distributed damage

open sundial
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And her shots are effectively single target shots

valid flume
open sundial
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So she won’t AoE projectiles, period

valid flume
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doing same thing

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it will get weirder as the stage progresses, cuz during boss spawn it depends on the rapture spawns, by how many and u decide to burst sbs or not

edgy hazel
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oh thanks for comparison

open sundial
potent stag
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I think I'll stick on jk-rh-mod-sw for now

open sundial
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But yeah that’s the kind of stage W.Ludmilla could do fine on - just has to do enough dmg

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I was talking about stages like… 14 artillery raptures appear and all fire immediately, and keeps firing

lofty creek
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What's recommended cube for her?

open sundial
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And there’s also a mini boss you need to focus fire

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That stage, Alter Scarlet might be too slow at steep power deficits

valid flume
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they are very squishy

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i got 1-2 stage like that today

open sundial
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That’s pretty good to hear then

valid flume
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not as cancerous as the one in real campain map, but its only happen in 17 or 18 sth

hybrid dome
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i hate that kind of stage, and the one with blue tower

valid flume
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u should pass now with right comp

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wall stages like that hold people off for 1 month average

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embrace the rh b1

edgy hazel
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i embraced it since rh's release, thanks to your testing

hybrid dome
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Problem is skill issue
I try imitate comp with JK RHb1, even though i have far higher cp, but i don't know how to clear it

tranquil portal
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Who is jk?

valid flume
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let me watch youtube

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i havent myself cleared that wall since rh

hybrid dome
tranquil portal
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Idk tia and naga do work for me blanc and nior dont

hybrid dome
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different usage i think? Blanc and Noir comp more comfortable than Tia Naga, imo

valid flume
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scarlet
modernia
delay
Scarlet finish

open sundial
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Going with this for tiers

Overall: SSS

  • Campaign: SS-SSS
  • Interception Ex: SSS
  • Pilgrim Tower: SS-SSS
  • PvP: To be determined
  • Union Raid: SS-SSS
  • Solo Raid: SS-SSS
tranquil portal
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Ive been a 11233 since day one maybe thats why i like it @valid flume

open sundial
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Did anyone try PvP? 👀

valid flume
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thats what im looking for in new players

hybrid dome
open sundial
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Sweet

edgy hazel
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pvp: gets counted by sakura if in def team

valid flume
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play differently from other veterans players, vevetan will always recommend bunnies cuz its hard for them to switch, new player new experience

hybrid dome
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A+ from Keripo

tranquil portal
tranquil portal
valid flume
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THATS BETTER

hybrid dome
valid flume
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u are able to adapt

open sundial
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What comp do you want me to use?

tranquil portal
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This is my fav team so far

valid flume
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and wait for RH burst ready again

tranquil portal
valid flume
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and let boss spawn, scarlet screenclear then just nuke it down with Modernia

hybrid dome
valid flume
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u ignore them

tranquil portal
valid flume
tranquil portal
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She op mob clear and i use red hood to dps single target

valid flume
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oh wait rh dps single target

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not happen alot on normal days here

tranquil portal
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Mine cooks

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🤷🏽‍♂️

valid flume
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i might get it wrong

tranquil portal
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Only thing i cant beat in the game so far is the ex interception tank

valid flume
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train

tranquil portal
valid flume
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u could brute force with that comp above

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need pc client for this

jade field
valid flume
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seem like not hit the point where u can do on phone yet

tranquil portal
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Yea im on mobile

valid flume
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ye on mobile best to use Noah-Biscuit or worse Sakura-Ludmilla

hybrid dome
cobalt dirge
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Ya'll think Scalter + Mod and can through late campaign? I dont have RH....

valid flume
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if u have bunnies or Tianaga then u can hit 30%-33% late game

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RH pump this number by 5%+

edgy hazel
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at most 33% deficiency. that's how i clear my campaign before rh

tranquil portal
hybrid dome
valid flume
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i cleared train first when i hit 221+ i also had skill issue

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its tough man life on mobile

cobalt dirge
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Thanks ya'll. Was hoping I could push ~30%

valid flume
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and not even mock to test

tranquil portal
hybrid dome
tranquil portal
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Yea i lose a unit the same time i kill it everytime

hybrid dome
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RH can clear it, i'm sure

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and use Bunnies if you have them

potent stag
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you can iframe with tia

tranquil portal
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I even tried the i frames but im bad at it

potent stag
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thats how I cleared it first

hybrid dome
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that also another option

tranquil portal
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Typed it at the same time

valid flume
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wait

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CL4pTr4p is from borderland

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WRONG REFERENCE

tranquil portal
tranquil portal
hybrid dome
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I remember first time can clear Train after i got Scarlet, and i frame it with Noise. Now i just brute force it with RH Mod Bunnies

hybrid dome
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isn't landscape also available on phone? why don't try that?

valid flume
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something like Liter-Noah-Rh-Mod-Biscuit

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could easily clear this on phone

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the most no brain comp

open sundial
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Checking now, I guess I’ll just use bunnies plus Alter Scarlet. I usually use W.Ludmilla, I’ll replace her

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Chatterbox’s time to die

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Also, I loved Bond Episode 1 for Alter Scarlet

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Good start

tranquil portal
hybrid dome
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i use that for clear every raid

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i mean interception

potent stag
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I see makima there

tranquil portal
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Nior goes as second 3?

potent stag
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I think you can just tank with her

tranquil portal
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Shes always dying

open sundial
valid flume
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wow i dont see biscuit

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your acc is mega bricked

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sad

open sundial
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But so does my W.Ludmilla

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But she’s water, he’s fire

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It was also a 34 second fight with Alter Scarlet kekw with W.Ludmilla it’s faster kekw

tranquil portal
open sundial
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Okay, sure

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She is max invested fyi, running a battle again with Red Hood in place of Alter Scarlet

sage tundra
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Scar or mod pull first?

hybrid dome
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Mod

valid flume
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manual or whatever u want

sage tundra
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Ok i will get mod first but is new scar on par with the top pilgrims or nah?

open sundial
sage tundra
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Ok she's mid got it

open sundial
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My Alter Scarlet’s gimped at 6/4/7 atm also

tranquil portal
zinc scaffold
open sundial
tranquil portal
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My rh is 8/5/

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8

open sundial
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Let’s talk interception ex best matchups for Alter Scarlet

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who’s Iron?

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Modernia only?

tranquil portal
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🤷🏽‍♂️

edgy hazel
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a bunch

open sundial
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We have Alteisen (Wind), Gravedigger (Iron?), Blacksmith (Fire), Chatterbox (Fire), Modernia (Iron)

open sundial
edgy hazel
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xD

open sundial
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So far it’s looking like she has stellar single target damage, but no pierce compounding

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I say Red Hood remains superior to Alter Scarlet in Interception Ex

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Especially when opening salvo matters on Modernia, Chatterbox, and Alteisen

hybrid dome
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So in term of burst gen, BScarlet is not that good for PvP

valid flume
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oh wait

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maybe she can one shot it

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before even the lazer

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cuz her damage is too fking much

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on auto heh

tranquil portal
open sundial
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Yeah

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Looks like she’s more like SS tier in Interception Ex, but SSS against Modernia and Gravedigger - if GD is Iron

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I literally can’t remember GD element

tranquil portal
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GD special interception is Electric iirc

valid flume
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GD is electric

open sundial
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RIP

tranquil portal
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Yeah RIP kekw

valid flume
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wait till train

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she might hit those like a truck somehow

tranquil portal
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I thought she has very fast projectile speed

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Seems like it's just the normal RL proj speed

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I was thinking of using her in GD

past venture
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hmm

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Rl is not so good eh

valid flume
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bro at this point, it depend on how a nikke attack, their type, their weapon dont matter anymore

open sundial
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I’m done with my little FAQ on maincord, come upvote kekw Or at least let me know if there’s anything I should edit

#1189539802312355840 message

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Added tiers to it

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SSS tier, too bad her acronym is SBS and not SSS. Now that’d be funny

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They should’ve gone with Scarlet: Slaughtering Shadow

tranquil portal
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GOT BEATEN UP BY LILITH AGAIN wahahaha wahahaha wahahaha

open sundial
autumn igloo
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@open sundial I will be interested by some test comparison between xLud,Mod and ScarletBS in a long fight with bunnies team for example as Mod doesn't fit in an optimal way in Tia/Naga

open sundial
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As in using those 3 in a single comp?

dapper cosmos
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so ScarletSB skill procs dont get the benefit from core dmg right?

open sundial
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It’s actually possible to run X.Lud, SBS, and Modernia in a single team… … with Volume. Throw in Marcianna, Centi, any B2, and there’s a non-ideal team that can offer a pretty decent comparison.

autumn igloo
open sundial
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Otherwise we’re looking at rotating them through a meta squad

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For comparisons

tranquil portal
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"What fresh hell is this"
This line is hilarious wahahaha

open sundial
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So it’s really just down to X.Lud vs Mod for the fight

open sundial
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I think X.Lud beats Mod?

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Unless enemy is weak to Fire

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So SBS + X.Lud probably superior

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But SBS doesn’t help X.Lud

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And people are talking about pairing SBS with Alice or Maxwell

autumn igloo
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I saw for Alice, I didn't invest on her

willow walrus
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How is scarlet with real testing?

open sundial
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I just tried SBS + Alice in bunnies team vs Interception Ex Chatterbox and Noir died.. I had to retry, manual burst and choose Alice, and destroy a launcher with focus fire

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Then Noir would live

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I didn’t like it, took 42 seconds to win

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SBS still outdamaged Alice kekw

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But without that opening pierce, SBS failed to help destroy a launcher fast enough

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So this thing with Alice, is probably meant for Solo Raid reasons

tranquil portal
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Reasons I pulled for BScarlet: I'm no longer Scarletless

autumn igloo
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I also did some test between A2 and SBS for campaign and A2 is still helping me more. I thing SBS can do great damage indeed for bosses but she is not doing enough distributed damage to wipe screen as A2 and old Scarlet are doing this is the feeling I have

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Maybe I am wrong as I don't have a SBS optimal

open sundial
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SBS is high skill investment wanting

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Just like Alice

willow walrus
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Hmm so I guess for old player with built teams for solo/union raid already she doesn’t bring much more to the table & is fine with just 1 copy?

open sundial
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She will blow away others once she creeps to, and gets, 10/4+/10

willow walrus
open sundial
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Good example: I did 700m dmg at 4/4/4 vs Modernia about 1b dmg

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Then I upped her to 6/4/7 and she gained 140m. She now did 840m dmg

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She will overtake at 10/4+/10

autumn igloo
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ok good to know

open sundial
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BTW Union Raid is still around to mock, I should do that

autumn igloo
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I was thinking about replacing A2 by SBS for solely campaign

open sundial
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I can mock Stormbringer lvl10

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What comp should I try?

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Schoolgirls, Bunnies?

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As for campaign

autumn igloo
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I am using JK with RH as B1 in campaign

open sundial
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It really swings on the fight, like puzzles asking for a solution

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But power differences due to investment makes it hard

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Like if it’d be so much easier if you used Privaty, just an example, but using her tanks your squad power by 30k. RIP

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Just because she’s not in full Lvl5 OL and 10/10/10 skills and the character she replaced had that

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And not to mention core breakthroughs kekw

autumn igloo
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I think they start to understand that we need more skills to build more teams comps with this full week of burst day

open sundial
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Okay, I’ll go mock Stormy using the teams I used in UR and see if it improved kill time

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By replacing 1 of them with SBS

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In each comp

autumn igloo
warm dune
obsidian elm
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yeah, if scarlet bursts and manages to live the entire 10 seconds, the enemy team is dead, she's straight up releasing like a scarlet burst every 2 seconds wahahaha

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for PvP

open sundial
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I’ll remove the SSS part

obsidian elm
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but the issue with nu scarlet for PvP is that her burst gen is doubly low.

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she has zero AoE for an 'RL' and her burst gain % is also a third lower than regular RLs

open sundial
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Campaign has too many puzzle like aspects begging for particular solutions, SBS can’t Swiss Army knife all of the stages

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In comparison, Red Hood is superior, and Modernia is perpetually useful in almost every possible stage

obsidian elm
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so she needs to be in a team comp that generates burst fast on its own without her

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so that when she bursts, she wipes enemy team

open sundial
foggy atlas
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If SBS is as strong as Mod in campaign, the only issue to solve is Burst gen.

open sundial
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She’s not

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Putting it this way

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SBS is strong damage but Modernia is just too perfect for clearing stages

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It’s like saying SSS vs SSS+ though

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Or SS vs SSS in this case

obsidian elm
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lol yeah

open sundial
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You’re going to be crushing the stage.. you now have more options

obsidian elm
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i remember proposing adding SSS+ for RH when she's under the effect of all three of her bursts

open sundial
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Well…

obsidian elm
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but that's too specifc and only usable once

open sundial
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More options but NOT the investment resources KEKL

open sundial
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btw @autumn igloo - Stormbringer UR raid, only thing too weak about SBS is 6/4/7 skill

obsidian elm
#

yeah, i can tell with that 10k power disparity

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but still

open sundial
#

Trying the other comps

autumn igloo
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with xlud?

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with JK i guess

obsidian elm
#

yeah, xlud definitely prefers JKs

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that core dmg combined with her own too good to pass up

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fk, i tried out SBS in PvP, and vs all the team comps that have their own high burst, i can't do shit wahahaha

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not without putting rosanna somewhere

autumn igloo
#

I am currently using her with JK

obsidian elm
#

but against team comps with worse burst gen than me, yeah, SBS just guaranteed kills the enemy team fast, even past noah's team invuln

open sundial
obsidian elm
#

cuz again, SBS basically does scarlet burst like 5/6 times in 10s

obsidian elm
#

alice already has her important skills maxed, and SBS at 6/4/7 is only off by like 7%

autumn igloo
obsidian elm
#

yeah, alice needs a lot to work for her

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but when it does, it does.

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alice without OLs is just the saddest thing

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like OG scarlet

autumn igloo
#

I prefered to work on xLud because MG and more fun to play

obsidian elm
#

ngl, i'm not sweaty enough to manual alice unless the boss is specifically weak to fire

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then i bother.

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but yeah, needing to manual alice sucks (RIP macro)

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meanwhile, RH gets to macro for free during burst, and SBS can just be left on auto for optimal play

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since her forced delays means there's no reload attempt downtime

open sundial
obsidian elm
#

yeah, iron weak and all that.

open sundial
#

My takeaway - SBS does more with Tia&Naga

obsidian elm
#

still, looks appreciable.

open sundial
#

140m+ more, not a coincidence

obsidian elm
#

doesn't everyone?

open sundial
#

Though Maxwell buff…

obsidian elm
#

if the boss has a core, that is

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the core dmg bonus from tia+naga is just insane vs blanc's +30% dmg up vs enemies or whatever

open sundial
#

I’ll replace Maxwell with Noir and run it again

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Just to see SBS dmg be more fair

autumn igloo
#

Can you test Tia/Naga/SBS/xLud in the same comp

open sundial
#

So basically if wanting to put SBS in a squad that optimizes her damage in a vacuum, it has to be Schoolgirls

open sundial
autumn igloo
signal flume
valid flume
#

u want a fight bro?

warm dune
open sundial
open sundial
# autumn igloo thanks!

Here is with Tia/Naga/SBS/XLud in same comp… interesting result, I actually killed Stormbringer. My X.Lud is 10/10/10 skills and full OLs lvl5. BUT I would categorize her OL effects as… trash. My SBS has 20% ATK, 69% max ammo, and some crit rate, crit dmg. My X.Lud basically just has max ammo and elemental damage.

autumn igloo
open sundial
#

And SBS skills are still 6/4/7

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In any case, seems like SBS + X.Lud shows SBS kicks X.Lud’s ass in Schoolgirls team

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Since I expect even more damage from SBS at 10/7/10

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Even if I fixed both OL gear to be 40% atk, I think SBS will still win

autumn igloo
#

interesting result, I wanted to see the potential of SBS with JK team, thanks

open sundial
#

Alright, checking if Noir’s been a bad girl

open sundial
#

So bunnies + Alice + Noir + Modernia and checking if Alice S1 is going onto Alice and Modernia?

warm dune
#

no

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not mod

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b. scarlet lol

open sundial
#

Oh

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So that run where I thought SBS + Alice wasn’t all that it was hyped to be?

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Okay, checking that

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Oh noes

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Noir IS stealing it. Bad bunny, bad! @warm dune

tranquil portal
#

Guys is Scalter good or no?

warm dune
warm dune
tranquil portal
#

Where does she stand as of now?

tranquil portal
#

Compared to red hood and alice

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Rh is better

jade prawn
tranquil portal
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Rh is better single target sbs is good aoe

jade prawn
warm dune
#

meaning if boss jumps

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its less than 18

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😢

tranquil portal
#

So if I have Scarlet and red hood is there a need for scalter?

warm dune
#

b. scarlet is a lot better than scarlet

obsidian elm
#

yeah, black scarlet works in a lot more team comps compared to regular scarlet

tranquil portal
#

That sounds good

obsidian elm
#

regular scarlet nowadays can only really keep up with top DPS units if paired with summer anis

warm dune
#

wudnt say its cuz of that

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wud say she straigth up does more damage

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and doesnt kill herself

obsidian elm
#

that's true too.

tranquil portal
#

Reg scarlet commits sepaku

open sundial
#

@warm dune Double checked, looks like if Alice bursts, the Energizing Carrot (Alice S1) is on Alice and SBS. But if SBS bursts, it’s on SBS and Noir. whyyyy Thanks for reminding me

tranquil portal
#

New one doesnt

open sundial
#

Hmm how to fix

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More ATK on Alice

obsidian elm
#

does noir somehow outdamage your alice?

open sundial
#

Less ATK on Noir

obsidian elm
#

yeah, lol

warm dune
#

just purposesly roll off attack on noir

obsidian elm
#

err, not outdmg

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outatk

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yeah

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it's not like noir's OL attack lines affect her s1

open sundial
#

I like it though 👀 I also don’t usually use Alice with bunnies… that doesn’t have Modernia

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Modernia has ATK

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So it ends up Alice + Modernia

obsidian elm
#

yeah, that's true.

open sundial
#

Let me check

signal flume
tranquil portal
#

Should I try to ticket Scarlet or pull?

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I might just spark

simple ice
warm dune
#

just spark it then

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no point pulling 1% banner if u r gem poor

open sundial
#

ASDF ASDF ASDF BRICKED SQUAD (Not really, J/k)

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Noir stealing Alice buff from Alice

simple ice
#

@open sundial your Noir how many atk line BlancStare

tranquil portal
open sundial
#

Noir burst 👀

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It gives herself an ATK boost

jade prawn
#

@open sundial why SS campaign

tranquil portal
#

Lmaoooo

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Your Noir is too strong

jade prawn
#

I know she hit hard but damn, that hard?

tranquil portal
#

Same mission same position as rh and just swaped modernia ex interception

open sundial
#

Hmm how does this happen

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Oh I got it

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Alice buffs herself when she bursts

simple ice
open sundial
#

So it counts for her S1

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But when another bursts, she doesn’t have the ATK from self burst, so S1 abandons Alice

open sundial
tranquil portal
obsidian elm
#

alice, the bunny pretender, got her carrot stolen by an actual rabbit

jade prawn
obsidian elm
#

😱

jade prawn
obsidian elm
#

🥕🐇

proper fog
#

Sorry since ik yall probably being asked this 5 thousand times along these lines but, would it be worth to 3 star sbs with mileage if i have enough or is she more of a 1 copy and dip sort of unit for lower spenders/f2p? Like she's not going on standard banner after right?

obsidian elm
#

if you care that much about dmg potential, imo, she's MLB for sure

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core max if you're a giga whale

jade prawn
#

On first thought, for me at least she doesn't feel like a campaign unit

She feels... Someone like snowwhite..? Good for bosses, ok for campaign

tranquil portal
#

Noir is putting on weight, stealing Alice's carrot

open sundial
proper fog
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Ik pin say good to get 1 copy

obsidian elm
#

but as always, at least have one copy

toxic jewel
#

How much does her performance drop on single target? Or none cuz it distribute dmg the same as 2B??

tranquil portal
open sundial
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But I’m confused

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Alice has 17% ATK from OL

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The heck

obsidian elm
#

there is no drop, yeah, in fact, she prefers bosses solo

limpid ridge
obsidian elm
#

the distributed dmg of her s1 part 3 goes down a ton if there's a lot of enemies on the field

open sundial
obsidian elm
#

since the formula for distributed dmg is simple % divided by the number of enemies on the screen

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however, the idea with her burst is that she uses s1 part 3 so often

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that she can still screenwipe, eventually

open sundial
#

She is useful, but falls short of A2 AoEing and falls short of Scarlet almost-instant AoE. And nowhere as universally useful a Modernia. So not SSS in campaign. But, she is outdamaging many meta Nikkes in bossing

jade prawn
#

If she's worse than A2, she definitely goes to a lower tier Think

open sundial
#

She outdamages A2 too, unless specific conditions

jade prawn
#

But then is she better than harran Think

proper fog
# obsidian elm if you care that much about dmg potential, imo, she's MLB for sure

Fair, i was asking about milage specifically because i got absolutely shafted on pulls..0 SSRs in step up summon, and 60 pulls for 1 sbs but i have 600 milage so i could MLB her so just wanted to know if it was worth. But I'll probably wait till last day of her banner and do pulls the whole time and see if i can get her to 3* without mileage

open sundial
#

It’s basically a case of “someone help me clear this insane wave of 30 raptures before we all die, hurry”

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SBS can’t do that

jade prawn
#

Yeah them SBS ain't it for campaign

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My take at least

proper fog
obsidian elm
jade prawn
#

But I'll need to see more videos to get some validity

obsidian elm
#

noon KR/JP time tomorrow and the day after, 2 x10 rainbow tix

toxic jewel
open sundial
#

Hmm I’ll bump her down to S

hasty palm
#

She has some weird jank with her second proc of S1

jade prawn
#

For me, I'm leaning towards
S campaign
SSS bossing
SS PvP

hasty palm
#

It doesn't actually target randomly. It's always the same target as first proc

jade prawn
obsidian elm
#

really? for PvP? her burst gen is so naturally shit, lol.

jade prawn
#

Cuz not many people have high damage scarlets

obsidian elm
#

she needs a team comp that gens burst without her

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but if she's the one using her burst, the enemy team is dead guaranteed

jade prawn
#

B3s aren't measured by how much their burst gen is

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Its their DPS that counts

obsidian elm
#

ahhh, fair.

open sundial
jade prawn
#

Nah scar is like

obsidian elm
#

honestly, scarlet is really good, like, really good.

#

it's just that units like modernia and RH exists

jade prawn
#

Such an interesting DPS to have

3 nikkes with distributed damage are now here

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Dorothy 2b and scarwind

open sundial
#

For now I’ll leave it at S campaign, SS-SSS raiding/bossing, and SS overall

#

It’s a safe balance

obsidian elm
#

yeah

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it's not even a full day of her being out

#

more testing required

open sundial
#

But it’s so true about other units existing

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And also because RH is too good

obsidian elm
#

but i'm glad people can finally agree that she is good. kekw I remember a lot of people were real confused on how her kit worked in the first place

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'mediocre'

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???

#

it's just easier to see stuff for yourself than to do numbers.

open sundial
#

Wait for it though Izzy

obsidian elm
#

less thinking required

sturdy lion
#

It's the same thing every banner

jade prawn
open sundial
#

Someone will hit a hit count wall stage and be like SBS sucks!

obsidian elm
sturdy lion
#

Either a Nikke is hyped as broken or mid akkoShrug

obsidian elm
#

that campaign map with like 6 glasses enemies gave me so much cancer

jade prawn
#

Utsu said there was a guy in general calling sbs trash

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And then utsu found out he wasn't full charging his shots

obsidian elm
#

?????

#

WAIT, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE

sturdy lion
#

Reading is difficult

obsidian elm
#

AREN'T YOU JUST SUPPOSED TO LET HER AUTO?

jade prawn
#

Yes

open sundial
jade prawn
#

Bro was getting the burst gen fr

obsidian elm
#

I can't even imagine trying to manual a unit with a 0.3s charge time

valid flume
#

this Gd is weak to Wind, 35% decifit

thorny mirage
#

10 x 10 Alice vs 7 5 5 Scarlet

obsidian elm
#

swimsuit liter

open sundial
#

Oh right I should change it to SS tier on stages weak to Wind

jade prawn
obsidian elm
jade prawn
#

Seems about right

valid flume
#

missed out some ml there on sbs

#

hit finger too fast and skipped tia 1

wooden turret
proper fog
# hasty palm She'll be standard

I'm surprised she'll be standard tbh, no other alternate version of a character has been added to standard yeah? Does it say it in the patch notes and somehow i missed it ?-?

hybrid gazelle
#

@jade prawn SBS skill 2 8-10 is just a waste of mats ?

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_besides cp increase _

open sundial
#

Do I improve Alice now NovelThink

open sundial
#

Or leave her be and just wait for creep?

#

(OL rerolls)

jade prawn
#

You get 6.7% ammo

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That's it

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Its so bad it's insane

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10-7-10 is the perfect spot to stop

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Or 6 if u don't have ocd

sturdy lion
#

Honestly probably fine to just go to 4 and simply level it further if you find her running out of ammo ever

#

That's pretty much the signal to stop

proper fog
#

Mfw i realized i can scroll down the scarlet notes

jade prawn
hybrid gazelle
#

and the ammo line in your pinned what % ammo line we talking?

proper fog
#

I thought thr bullet points just stopped at 2

jade prawn
jade prawn
#

Its funny how Alice got less and more relevant at the same time..?

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If that makes sense

wooden turret
#

Cus most of the time alts are like holiday limiteda

open sundial
#

Alright, I guess I need to fix this issue of mine with Alice S1

hasty palm
#

Yeah, Alice is falling down DPS ranks but going up Support ranks XD

open sundial
#

Hmm I should track down exactly why it’s shifting to Noir + Modernia anytime Noir bursts though

wooden turret
thorny mirage
open sundial
#

Because technically, Alice has base higher ATK and more OL ATK.. not sure why it’s deciding she has less

#

Wait

#

Dammit I didn’t fully level some of her gear

sturdy lion
autumn igloo
sturdy lion
#

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, but used to refer to people who are meticulous about small details

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In this case, players who only want their skills to be one of 4/7/10

autumn igloo
#

ok I see I thought it was more a technical term related to the game, thanks

sturdy lion
#

Like my S Anis is 10/10/10 cuz leaving her burst at 9 drove me nuts

lethal sky
#

Guys tldr yet?

jade prawn
#

She is really good

#

Tldr

open sundial
#

Alright, I fixed my Alice S1 issue

lethal sky
open sundial
#

Turns out I forgot that she didn’t have LVL5 gloves and body, and when I calculated that she had a razor thin higher ATK than Noir, that it was good enough. RIP

lethal sky
#

I want meth

open sundial
#

She was like this for months too 💀

#

Noir eating all the carrots behind my back

rigid gale
#

any cuties in chat

jade prawn
#

So is OL gear finalised

#

U need 1 ammo?

#

And 1 or 3 charge speeds?

tranquil portal
open sundial
#

Pretty much and the charge speed is about squeezing off more procs during SBS full burst

jade prawn
#

Every solo boss

#

She good

open sundial
#

I have 1 ammo and I’m content with it, in bunnies squad. In tia & naga squad, she reloads, but I blame that on her lvl4 S2 atm

tired ice
#

Ok I’m on story 23 Max Core Scarlet skills are 9/7/7 one OL gear CRAP rolls. And she can’t kill the flying units with the shields to save her arse. Any input as to why ???

jade prawn
#

@open sundial

tranquil portal
jade prawn
halcyon silo
open sundial
#

Oh

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… lol

#

🤣

jade prawn
halcyon silo
#

9*60% = 5.4 =5
9*52.32% = 4.6 =5

halcyon silo
#

literally nothing

open sundial
#

I think it’s because it’s a hit count battle @tired ice

tranquil portal
open sundial
#

The shields take “hits” - 1 dmg each - and you have to hit it often enough to break it

jade prawn
open sundial
#

SBS unfortunately is hard countered by that

jade prawn
#

This Armstrong in union raid, lvl10

tired ice
#

Yea if I use Mod she melts the FRACK outta them

jade prawn
#

You can check the CP to compare
Redhood is 73kcp, scarlet is 67k cp

open sundial
#

Maybe 4

tranquil portal
open sundial
#

And her S1 procs at most do 1 hit against the target

jade prawn
open sundial
#

So yeah… she’s as bad as trying to use RL (except Laplace burst beam) to break the hit shields

tired ice
#

Damn it she’s supposed to DESTROY EVERYTHING

sudden trail
#

You can't have one unit to do everything

warm dune
#

u r griefing ur mats if u take her s2 beyond 7

#

just set a $10 bill on fire

#

much cheaper

wooden turret
#

the cp gain tho Copium

tired ice
#

7 is what everyone is saying to stop at

warm dune
#

it literally does not contribute any utility or damage, its just CP padding

#

but might as well raise CP of another unit

silk quest
#

I thought we only need six?

warm dune
#

dont trust @rustic rivet

silk quest
#

above six is griefing yourself

#

from pin

warm dune
#

"if paired with liter bunnies"

#

liter is not guaranteed to be used with her

jade prawn
#

Guaranteed?

warm dune
#

wats the value

#

on 6

#

anyone have that?

#

the max ammo %

jade prawn
#

Lemme check .gg

spare basin
#

snec is this bitch good or not

warm dune
#

dont think its updated on there

spare basin
#

u were praising her before but is she good now that people actually tested her

jade prawn
#

Nope it isn't

wooden turret
jade prawn
#

Tell everyone to pull her or quit

warm dune
#

i mean we said 1.801 BPS and it ended up being true

jade prawn
#

Around 18.00001

#

I think?

warm dune
#

at 60 fps?

spare basin
#

so in terms of a team for her

jade prawn
#

Cuz frame perfect, u get 18th bullet at the veryyy end

warm dune
#

i think if u touch 59 fps u cud drop below 18

spare basin
#

who should i pair her with

jade prawn
#

Without any self buffs

warm dune
#

idk how that shit works tbh

jade prawn
warm dune
spare basin
#

liter and the bunnies?

jade prawn
warm dune
#

liter/volume blanc b. scarlet alice noir

jade prawn
spare basin
#

alice as well?

jade prawn
spare basin
#

for what purpose

wooden turret
#

s1 buff

jade prawn
wooden turret
#

big charge spd buff

warm dune
#

alice s1 is 58.35% charge speed for b. scarlet

spare basin
#

ok thanks a lot

#

last questions

#

what about redhood now that you was using alice in team for same purpose

#

u can't use her twice in UR or SOLO

jade prawn
#

Team

wooden turret
#

ludi guess

#

or maxwell

spare basin
#

hmm

warm dune
#

red hood shud not be paired with alice to begin with

#

dont use SR7 as a data point

spare basin
#

lol

#

hahah

#

ok i won't

#

I am too lazy to care for now

warm dune
#

rh is best with maxwell or xlud

spare basin
#

so should i max lmb?

warm dune
#

if u have the funds yes mlb

spare basin
#

the thing is next banner i really don't want to pull

#

cause i don't care about non limited

#

not pilgrim banner

#

i can get those from ordinary recruit unless SSS tier chara

#

so 3 star scarlet and pair her with bunnies liter and alice

#

thanks

#

😗

warm dune
#

liter not definitive

#

her attack buff super diluted

#

and b. scar is skill based damage so the crit from volume is a bit better (like how it is for 2b)

#

since b. scar doesnt rely on core hits to do dmg

spare basin
#

hmm

#

iirc the next one gives crit as well

#

so they are launching her for b. scarlet

warm dune
#

leona?

#

leona is for shotguns

spare basin
#

oh ok

#

so tia-liter-naga-redhood-maxwell

#

and bunnies-volume-b.scarlet-alice

warm dune
#

i think that might be it

#

yep

#

it looks like b. scar doesnt benefit from these two

#

so the crit has more value

jade prawn
# warm dune her attack buff super diluted

Liter atk buff is gonna be diluted both ways
Redhood 70% atk buff + Maxwell atk buff is = scarwind atk buff

Only if u run xludi here with Rh will that atk buff be less diluted

Similar case if u run xlud+mw together
60% self buff + 40% mw buff
Similar numbers overall

silk quest
#

can maxwell provide more than Xlud to Red?

spare basin
warm dune
#

b. scar is RL so no range bonus i believe

jade prawn
jade prawn
spare basin
warm dune
#

it shud b kinda clear what the 3rd general team is

#

theres only a few big dps left

spare basin
#

idk i'm restarted bro pls tell me

#

i have giga chad normal scalet

#

tho

jade prawn
#

Check there

valid flume
jade prawn
spare basin
valid flume
#

waduhek

spare basin
valid flume
#

dont force my hand

spare basin
#

dew it

#

go for max cp don't listen to this efficiency maniacs here

jade prawn
#

I do ele matching and also need to keep in mind my union full autos

spare basin
#

it's getting colder w/o

warm dune
#

is gatrix banned both servers

#

😢

spare basin
#

U

jade prawn
warm dune
#

send the ivnite

jade prawn
spare basin
valid flume
#

yoo

#

dont need prydwen

#

join omni he there

#

ez on hotline 24/7

wooden turret
jade prawn
wooden turret
#

oh lol

limpid lake
#

heya skks

#

is she worth pulling?

open sundial
#

For cubes, I think if you can achieve infinite ammo effect (meaning SBS never reloads) through squad, S2, etc, then most likely the best cube could be Adjutant?

#

But otherwise, it’s basically still Resilience or Bastion

spare basin
limpid lake
open sundial
#

Long answer is Hell Yes

limpid lake
#

her boobs and ass def is a yes

spare basin
#

think with ur dick

#

not with brain

limpid lake
#

if i have one