[Scarlet: Black Shadow] New Unit Megathread

[jade prawn]

Ramp it up

It's like
1.1 or 1.2

[toxic jewel]

oh mb, I thought he was talking about Salt

[jade prawn]

At best

[sturdy lion]

Imagine listening to paper math as if it's 100% law

[valid flume]

wait she is stronger than rh?

[jade prawn]

If she's 1.4 shots/s

Otherwise if she's 1shots/s she is slightly worse

[sturdy lion]

Guess Soline is the best unit in the game

[rustic rivet]

Bro

Your math is bad

Read again

[mortal pendant]

I will say that it is crazy that there is already a unit that is better than red hood but again it's only been two cases of this if there is more after this than sure but rn I'm not tripping. Like was red hood supposed to stay the best forever? Are devs not allowed to ever drop units that are better than the others

Or does it always have to be a side grade

[jade prawn]

Fym read again

[rustic rivet]

Read again

[rigid gale]

biggest insult you could receive from THE kisenix @jade prawn

[rustic rivet]

What u type

[rigid gale]

humble yourself desu

[mortal pendant]

That's what I'm saying that is crazy

[jade prawn]

What do you want me to type

[mortal pendant]

I agree with that lol

[rustic rivet]

Read "0.75 shots/s" slowly

[jade prawn]

Ohhh

Ok

[sturdy lion]

Community brought it upon itself

[wooden turret]

Rh was like nov so like 2 months

[mortal pendant]

But I don't think two cases of this means the game is just doomed to be power creep city forever

[jade prawn]

Fixed

[valid flume]

rh supposed to be support anyway 23% 54% doesnt matter

[rustic rivet]

Why do you say it's 1.4s/sec

[halcyon silo]

all im saying is after tia naga -> redhood -> xlud -> new scarlet

[mortal pendant]

If the next unit drops and is another power creep I will start to see lol

[rustic rivet]

Gatrix says it is closer to 0.5s or 0.67s per shot

[halcyon silo]

theres been quite a few

[jade prawn]

Gatrix said it's possible 1/s

[halcyon silo]

units that have been crapping on everyone else

[rustic rivet]

Ah nonono

[halcyon silo]

to say theres no power creep recently

[rustic rivet]

Well dps wise oscar wins

[wooden turret]

Tbf we only get pilgrins 3x a year

[rustic rivet]

Versatility wise

Usefulness

[jade prawn]

Bro he means banner order

[halcyon silo]

release order

[rustic rivet]

RH wins

[sturdy lion]

Except Pilgrims are Jan/Jun/Nov

[rustic rivet]

Oh

I see

But its not wrong too if its meta order

[signal flume]

stfu, ur dumb, NO ONE wants to use redhood as a support except you

[sturdy lion]

Only three Pilgrims a year so far, and no guarantee they'll all be Attackers

[jade prawn]

Well ackhtually

[mortal pendant]

Also do people not care about power creep when it comes to supporters and sht? When naga and tia were announced there was NOWHERE near this much talk about power creeping

[jade prawn]

Redhood b1 is meta for campaign now

[rustic rivet]

There is a lot

But people were defending Blanc Noir

[halcyon silo]

tia naga was the first of the line aswell

[rustic rivet]

[rigid gale]

can we rename this thread to the yap thread

[rustic rivet]

We the researchers convinced people that Tiga was broken as shit before release

[jade prawn]

2b and A2?

[halcyon silo]

arent u about to reset them?

[sturdy lion]

Majority of people only care about DPS then complain about how difficult getting into top 3% is, so

[rustic rivet]

But the people in maincord seem to be developing some trust issues

[jade prawn]

I alrdy reset 2b

[mortal pendant]

I have never seen it to this degree and the most I've seen were just people saying that "nah I don't think schoolgirls better than bunny's" not so much they are power creeping

[rustic rivet]

And have huge ego

[signal flume]

for like one burst yeah 😭

[jade prawn]

A2 I need for campaign

[jade prawn]

3 bursts

[minor fox]

support powercreep is not as exciting/controversial because in the end, they’re power multipliers.

[jade prawn]

Anyways

Not Rh thread

Don't care

[mortal pendant]

Yah seems people only care about it when it's DPS

[light temple]

[jade prawn]

Stay on topic

[rustic rivet]

Stfu Snake

[valid flume]

what shiet u said that give u rapture role, i want to spit the same shiet too

[minor fox]

shit dps + high power multiplier = still shit

[halcyon silo]

tbh they have been pushing our supports to get gear/cores too

"casters atk" btw

[alpine oriole]

important analysis from kr board

[mortal pendant]

So 1.23 per shot?

Or lol

[jade prawn]

16 shots

Which means u need 1 ammo OL

[jade prawn]

@halcyon silo it's solved
KR nerds are here

[signal flume]

i sent a joke, something that was far funnier than the weak ass insult you tried dishing out there

[mortal pendant]

So scarlet shoot speed good or no

💀

[halcyon silo]

isnt that basically what i saw in the preview

[signal flume]

next time come at me with something at least legible

[jade prawn]

You were off by

[rustic rivet]

What is 0.15 and 0.05

[jade prawn]

2 millisex?

[halcyon silo]

the one shot where intern finger was actually impossible to be a factor

[rustic rivet]

Where did these magic numbers come from

[rigid gale]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-heimdall-gif-27168425

[spare basin]

snec is this bitch good or no

[halcyon silo]

and people still told me it was a factor cuz somehow the intern held 131% for 13frames without charging up

[jade prawn]

Yes, tell union to pull one copy or leave union

[mortal pendant]

I'm trying to find that out too lol

[jade prawn]

Actually don't tell them to leave union, they're bitches and will leave

[mortal pendant]

Everyone should have pity tho so everyone should be able to get 1 copy

[rustic rivet]

No

Nono

Where did the 0.15 and 0.05 come from

Explain

[halcyon silo]

idk, i showed u the numbers were weird and magic

in the previews

[rustic rivet]

The fuck

[mortal pendant]

Didn't you say 0.15 urself

[rustic rivet]

I dont trust KR

[halcyon silo]

all i saw was every vid i looked at

[rustic rivet]

Thats the supposed Alice charge time reduction

[halcyon silo]

i couldnt find a .3 charge time

[rustic rivet]

But they also say 0.125

[mortal pendant]

Ahh ok

[halcyon silo]

only .5

[rustic rivet]

Not 0.15

Weird

[mortal pendant]

Bruh we need this mf to drop man

[jade prawn]

.3 charge time
.23 delay

0.05 time nikke spent in cover
.15 time taken to start charging next shot..?

[mortal pendant]

Don't know what these numbers are talking about half the time

[rustic rivet]

I think its related to macro timings

200 20 right

[spare basin]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-he-just-like-he-just-like-me-fr-meme-gif-573734217303447410

[rustic rivet]

So 200 is minimum

[halcyon silo]

for alice yea

[jade prawn]

She is

[rustic rivet]

Probably the same

For everyone

200ms minimum

Per shot

[toxic jewel]

can't we just datamined the charge speed+ani data? or is it imposible if we can't make a simulation and test it manually?

or the paramiter is too hard to find?

[jade prawn]

Yeah I guess that's right

[halcyon silo]

all i can say is there seems to be magic in that charge time

[jade prawn]

In bosses without pierce, yes

[halcyon silo]

causing a .5+.24s charge+delay

in vids

[rustic rivet]

200ms Minimum + 0.3s Charge Time + 0.23s Delay

[mortal pendant]

200ms per shot, so how many shots is that in 10 seconds

Cuz that seems like a lot

[rustic rivet]

What

[molten badger]

dem R units lol

[jade prawn]

It's 0.6seconds per shot with Alice

[rustic rivet]

Now why the fuck do they say Alice only cuts by 0.125s?

@halcyon silo

[halcyon silo]

[mortal pendant]

Ahh ok 16 shots minimum

[rustic rivet]

What

Im lost

Im totally lost

[mortal pendant]

Bruh story of my life

[rustic rivet]

What was Alice to RH ratio?

[mortal pendant]

All these numbers flying around

[rustic rivet]

And Alice to SW ratio?

[spare basin]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-lick-saliva-gif-5509072

[alpine oriole]

who does her banner open again

[jade prawn]

Ratio doesn't matter

[rustic rivet]

It matters

[spare basin]

only if it's +ratio

[mortal pendant]

New years/Dec 31 depending on timezone

[spare basin]

L bozo + ratio

[jade prawn]

No
It's always a fixed 0.17125s of reduction or smthng

[rustic rivet]

No

Cus its weaker for SW

[mortal pendant]

[rustic rivet]

But where the fuck is 0.17125 from

[halcyon silo]

11.67/(target charge speed / alice charge speed) = effective charge speed for user

[mortal pendant]

So the thing I'm getting at least is that scarlet is better than red hood

[rustic rivet]

You mean

[mortal pendant]

And then 16 shots in 10 seconds (with Alice)

[spare basin]

i hope not

[rustic rivet]

Charge time?

[halcyon silo]

yes

[jolly cypress]

Can we confirm, with scarlet's animation delays, it took one and half second for 2 shots?

[rustic rivet]

11.67 / (0.3 / 1.5)

[spare basin]

ok so bastion cube

[rustic rivet]

Yeah no that looks wrong

[mortal pendant]

Dude red hood already out not even 2 months later

[rustic rivet]

LOL

[halcyon silo]

tbh

[spare basin]

she had her prime

[rustic rivet]

Confirmed on SW?

[halcyon silo]

ya it worked on sw as well iirc

[rustic rivet]

Via frame to frame?

[spare basin]

gaming chair scarlet

[halcyon silo]

but realistically im pretty sure what happened is this

[mortal pendant]

A good (barely) 1 month

[halcyon silo]

they took the 58.35% converted

*.3

and forgot to 1-

17.505

bam

[spare basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002657593040314421.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[rustic rivet]

Kos

I have 2nd theory

Its probably not ratioed

It's just raw cut

[halcyon silo]

yes

[spare basin]

i will come back later to this channel, u guys better know if she good by the time of my return

love u

[rustic rivet]

But the results differ from your theory

[wooden turret]

Holy fuck, they buffing scar

[rustic rivet]

And KR's theory

[halcyon silo]

its a raw cut but if u work as a ratio it works the same

[rustic rivet]

Lmao

[rustic rivet]

No its diff

[halcyon silo]

?

[mortal pendant]

The rallying to get red hood buffed and being the best DPS just to be taken over by scarlet barely a month later I'm so ded bro

[halcyon silo]

think this way right

11.67*1.5 (alice charge speed)

=17.505

if u work as a ratio

11.67/(.3/1.5)=11.67/.2=58.35%

[rustic rivet]

Oh

Right

[halcyon silo]

58.35*.3

[spare basin]

I mean most of this are paper talk which will be different when they test shit

[halcyon silo]

is .17505

ur just converting values

[rustic rivet]

So its actually -1.7505s?

[halcyon silo]

yes

[rustic rivet]

Fuck KR

[lethal nexus]

is scarlet strong

[rustic rivet]

@jade prawn

[halcyon silo]

likely they just forgot to 1-

[mortal pendant]

Yah truly need to see the test, cuz if this true then dam

[rustic rivet]

Not 0.73 - 0.175

[minor fox]

so what’s the final number on how fast she attacks

0.73?

[mortal pendant]

It's looking like scarlet might be at worst 2nd best

[spare basin]

I'm hoping she is SS Tier for bossing cause i can't afford to build her tbh

[rustic rivet]

555ms per shot with Alice

[minor fox]

WHY ARE YOU MENTIONING ALICE, I ASKED ABOUT SCALT

[spare basin]

my redhood is 2/4 OL

[willow walrus]

you guys are cooking so much i get a hard on

[alpine oriole]

so it's vastly slower than what the kr nerds are suggesting?

[mortal pendant]

I legit have two pilgrim overload gears and 2 of em are on red hood

[willow walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968098119717904433/1182641367873224785/Dorofap-gif.gif?ex=65856f9a&is=6572fa9a&hm=6228a2f1dc19155ed34b9d1884dbcaa46bcbd3a565da1c51eaf4c0b763a4e2aa&

[jade prawn]

Cuz with Alice, her shots/s are increasing

[summer iron]

so is liter/blanc/alice/sharlet/noir the most likely best team for her in raids?

[rustic rivet]

Ok guys lets do math

[jade prawn]

[rustic rivet]

Wait

So Im basically

[jade prawn]

0.73s per shot otherwise

[rustic rivet]

Sabotaging myself leaving Alice Skill 1 at level 8?

[minor fox]

I ASKED FOR BASE

[rustic rivet]

[minor fox]

OK GOOD

0.73

[lethal nexus]

[mortal pendant]

Ok so it is .7 sec per shot by default then??

[halcyon silo]

u guys math now i go sleep

[jade prawn]

13 shots

[willow walrus]

i say we just wait till 2024

[rustic rivet]

BRO

[mortal pendant]

You get an extra full set with Alice nice

[rustic rivet]

SHOULD I UP IT TO 10 FOR ONE EXTRA SHOT?

[willow walrus]

https://imgur.com/uYFbQPQ

[rustic rivet]

[mortal pendant]

My Alice is nowhere near geared to be anywhere close to be OP

I'm so screwed 💀

[jolly cypress]

so it is two shots for one and half second?

I'm at loss here

[mortal pendant]

Let's go 18 divisible by 3

Mathh

[rustic rivet]

0.73s = alone

[mortal pendant]

6 procs

[rustic rivet]

0.555s = with MAXED ALICE S1

[mortal pendant]

Of the full set

[lethal nexus]

[mortal pendant]

Ooohhh

FML lol

Is Alice the only one who does this

Or is she just the best at it

[jade prawn]

Maxwell does it but worse

Much much worse

[mortal pendant]

Ok so Alice is the best at it ok

Nice I have zero qualms using Alice with her

My Alice is just nowhere near good

💀

Alice is good tho so nice

I also like her a lot one of my favs characters

[rustic rivet]

Bro I cant leave my Alice S1 at level 8 anymore

With this

Aghhhhhhhh

[jolly cypress]

Scarlet with alice is a must then, that's quite a big jump

[rustic rivet]

HUiwixieojzjwiqjajie

[spare basin]

so we need pair her with Maxwhell is what u guys are saying?

[wooden turret]

Is her shooting nikkepedia bugged on mobile or something?

Sometimes when i release to fire, she just goes into cover

[mortal pendant]

RH would not go team 4 RH would still be 2nd best DPS in the game

Prob team 2

Or something

[wild trail]

that just animation cancelling not working

[rustic rivet]

Snake is ignoring my rants

[wild trail]

looks like firing 18 shots in 10 seconds is very doable, and i suspect with practise hitting 20 might be possible...

[spare basin]

Yan becoming relevant

after 1 year

[mortal pendant]

I LOVE YAN

[spare basin]

kekw

[mortal pendant]

LET'S GO

Thigh queen

[rustic rivet]

No cant

[mortal pendant]

Don't @ me

[spare basin]

nah it's still useless i was joking

[mortal pendant]

Fck

[spare basin]

or perhaps

[rustic rivet]

Thats maximum firerate

[mortal pendant]

[spare basin]

idk it's 20% charge dmg

[wild trail]

not even with charge speed OL?

[rustic rivet]

Ugh

[spare basin]

what about mica's 40% max ammo mech

[mortal pendant]

Dam imagine one of the prerequisites of using scarlet is having a lvl 10 skill Alice lol

[rustic rivet]

Hmm

[wild trail]

also the other thing to check, when the charge gauge increased, will they extend charging time, or are they staying the same?

[spare basin]

idk i can probably use an alter scarlet team for Solo Raid which doesn't fuck up[ my redhood team

[rustic rivet]

If u want to sabotage urself, then by getting over 18% charge speed OL, and Alice, can reach 20/s.

[wild trail]

[spare basin]

[mortal pendant]

I don't use red hood with Alice so my Alice is completely free

Wont be messing up any of my current teams

[wild trail]

that sounds like close to impossible, so yea

[mortal pendant]

My RH is essentially untouched by this

[wild trail]

looks like i'll just practise on 18 shots over 10 sec

[mortal pendant]

Besides potentially replacing her ofc

[spare basin]

Admi comes back in the meta?

[rustic rivet]

Im sure that is on auto but Gatrix says need to manual

Ure most likely end up with 17 shots over 10s

[wild trail]

cant auto yet, but i did hit 18 in 10 secs earlier when i timed myself earlier...

[rustic rivet]

18 shots is frame perfect

You dont miss a single fucking ms

[mortal pendant]

Gaming chair scarlet

[rustic rivet]

I mewn charge speed helps give more "oh bad aim" leeway

[lethal nexus]

[mortal pendant]

Yah with the calculations u did it was barely 18 within the 10 secs

[twilit peak]

lmao oscar need gaming chair?

[mortal pendant]

So yah pretty much need frame perfect shots

Lol

[wild trail]

so possibly i hit the 18th after the 10s just expires then

[mortal pendant]

It's possible

But just extremely hard

Apparently

And it kinda suxxd cuz at 17 shot you would miss that last proc on her s1

[rustic rivet]

Level 8 S1 Alice is around 17.5

Level 10 S1 is 18.000000018

[mortal pendant]

Dam lol

You got .000000018 to spare

If u want all 18

Let's go

Gamer lean gaming

[wild trail]

mmmm

[rustic rivet]

Just get 1 charge speed OL if u want

[wild trail]

timing is really tight

[rustic rivet]

16-17 is most logical

Dont aim for 18

Lol

[mortal pendant]

Would OL gear help in this

Cuz dam 18.0000001 lol

[wild trail]

you're right, i hit the 18th on the 10.2 mark

[rustic rivet]

Bro id rather get attack OL

Rather than pushing 1 more shot

[mortal pendant]

Fair enough lol

Maybe you get an extra random charge speed stat idk

Ok so I'm good to get Alice to lvl 8?

I can do that

[rigid gale]

did i mention how bad it feels to shoot with scarlet black

[mortal pendant]

Lvl 10 would be a RIP for me

Lmao

The most I have for a lot of my units is lvl 7

By lvl 8 it just gets too expensive but I will do it for her

[wild trail]

18 shots in 10 sec seems really impractical, considering target practise i dont need to track enemy

if i have to track enemy, i'll never be able to get that

maybe if i bind firing button to keyboard....

[mortal pendant]

I've been to do really well with RH and Alice is only the best with the macro/quick scope method

I'm fine with RH gaming

[agile bone]

W/o macro she is pretty average

Why do you speak about competitive gaming with player with lvl 8 skill Alice?

[mortal pendant]

Well yah sure with those methods she's still the best but if youre not trying to do that all the time RH is great alternative

And now potentially scarlet too

[rustic rivet]

The only reason Skill 1 is at 10 is to reach 100% charge speed ON her, which doesnt apply to all people who get insane luck on gear

But there is another reason to max it now

When she is paired with RH and Oscar

[mortal pendant]

I don't use Alice myself so id only really be using her to help out scarlet and I'm happy with that get to use on of my fav units on a team

And respectfully who is Oscar

[rustic rivet]

Old Scarlet

[round panther]

old scar

[rustic rivet]

[mortal pendant]

Oohh

Lmaaoooo

[rustic rivet]

I refuse

[summer iron]

sharlet(charlotte)?

[rustic rivet]

There are like 5 names rn

[mortal pendant]

I've heard BS scarlet too

[rustic rivet]

SBS, Scalt, Scarbs, Salt, OScar

Pick one

[elder depot]

some normie name wtf oscar

forsen btw

[mortal pendant]

Soul eater fan?

[rustic rivet]

SBS feels best

[mortal pendant]

Yah

[rustic rivet]

Im gonna use SBS

But Oscar for the memes

[mortal pendant]

SBS sounds the SB-Best

Fun to say too

Ok so I'm gonna wait for testing

Before I throw my money

And sht at getting Alice lvl 8

Cuz even that sht expensive as hell

[wooden turret]

Saggy Ball Sack

[mortal pendant]

[stark ravine]

So Scarlet Alter better than Modernia?

[agile bone]

SSB - Seaside Bellona

[rustic rivet]

Wdym Alice lv 8

It shud be 10

Mine is 8 cus charge speed OL covers the rest

[terse vessel]

Mine is 9

[mortal pendant]

You said at lvl 8 it would be about 17.5 shots

I'm just talking about that

[rustic rivet]

That was for me

I calculated for myself personally

[mortal pendant]

ahhhh ok well do you think 8 would be a good minimum

It's joever for me if I have to go lvl 10

Well I'm obviously gonna want to prepare for what i potentially need to make SBS as good as possible

Also I haven't done it yet

I'm just asking

Smh

[potent stag]

Can we see how bad the delay is rn ?

Or do we have to waith Jan 1st

[shy vigil]

Shit I forgot the banner was not today lmaoooo 💀💀💀

[dark hawk]

Must MLB her?

[tranquil portal]

oh haha i was gonna ask what people's experience so far with her

[open sundial]

And Shadow

[stark ravine]

The even end and Scarlet get release

[wild trail]

you can play test her in target practice through nikkepedia

[shy vigil]

Dayum event is on but not the unit. NGL I feel like not doing the event until she's on 💀💀💀

[stark ravine]

with imaginary dmg

[wild trail]

they just wanted to know the post attack delay

[potent stag]

We have the numbers on hand

We just needed the attack delay

We don't need the game for the dps calc

[wild trail]

and on the attack delay, you're probably looking at 1.5 -1.8 hit per second, depending on condition

1.8 hit is borderline unachievable

so realistically you're looking around 15-17 shots during her FB

[edgy hazel]

Make a macro then slowly increase the mouse up duration till she can continually slashes without hiccup

[tranquil portal]

So she's gonna be an alice situation?

[edgy hazel]

No i only mean for getting the correct attack delay

You are letting sbs on auto most of the time anyway

Like a2 if attack delay is super long

[tranquil portal]

I see, I'm gonna wait and see first.

[warm dune]

anyone figure out the delay

aite

.23 seconds

with alice s1, need 28-29 bullets

[glacial pendant]

what are you cooking austin

0.23s is the hard delay

you still have to add in the unit's charge time

aka 0.3s

[warm dune]

yea

.3sec - .17505sec = .12495sec + .23sec = .35495sec

[edgy hazel]

isn't there a lower bound to successfully register a charge shot?

[warm dune]

1sec / .35495 sec = 2.81

[edgy hazel]

0.2s or something

[warm dune]

2.81 * 10 sec = 28.1 bullets

[glacial pendant]

ye 0.2s

[warm dune]

its joever

[obsidian elm]

so charge spd that tries to make it go below 0.2 would be a waste?

[warm dune]

1.801 BPS

[obsidian elm]

33% charge spd cap it is, then, lol

[warm dune]

@jade prawn 1.801964141 BPS if you are running Scarbs + Alice S1 at 10. Without Alice S1, it's 1.369863014 BPS

Depends on the boss

[warm dune]

1/10 splash radius of normal rocket launchers

[dark hawk]

Always depends on the boss

[vestal kettle]

50-70% og scar on boss?

[alpine oriole]

why the hell would they make her a rl and then cut the splash

[potent stag]

because we already have too much snipers

[alpine oriole]

don't mind me mate, just gonna release another b3 pilgrim attacker

ah yes, and because they hate sg so it's out of the options as well

[rustic rivet]

because it can still

double hit?

[potent stag]

if this calcs are true

scar seems

no core 1 pierce

no pierce core

core+pierce+2parts for rl(-alice buff)

basicly slam alice+slat, manual alice

profit

[wild trail]

am i correct in reading the table as in, damage difference between wind scarlet vs alice/red hood, assuming the playstyle?

e.g. top right assume perfect wind scarlet vs full auto alice and wind scarlet will outdamage auto alice by 160%?

also i'm not sure why parts are needed, because i thought her range is small and therefore wont be able to hit parts?

[potent stag]

top right is perfect scar vs auto

[wild trail]

ah

[potent stag]

if its 1 part it can pierce for snipers

if its 2 parts its 2 hits for rl

for the calc

[wild trail]

but wind scarlet dont have the splash?

and therefore wont be able to hit parts?

[potent stag]

in the case it does

[wild trail]

ah, okay, so thats the assumption on dmg calcs

gotcha

[potent stag]

yeah its paper math

[wild trail]

then i guess there's benefit in trying to manual wind scarlet if you're min-maxing

but otherwise, the benefit seems minimal

and i assume the alice's number used in the calc assumes perfect scenario (33-35/6 shots on burst?)?

[potent stag]

200+% ammo rolls

[wild trail]

so that's about 26-30 ammo roughly then?

[wild trail]

i suppose this just mean the assumption is equal gear quality... otherwise my brain struggle to understand math...

[potent stag]

you can say that

[wild trail]

yea, fair, sorry for asking so much question

[potent stag]

dw dw, its the thread for it

[wild trail]

not like i doubt the math, but more like i want to understand the impact

[potent stag]

but these are rough estimates remember

[wild trail]

yea

i know

[low tendon]

Y’all think scarlet will outdo modernia for adds

[potent stag]

depends, mod aims everything on the circle

scar does dist dmg

[low tendon]

Oh so prob not

Thx

[wild trail]

distributed damage while nice, but if there are too many adds, it's very small dmg

[low tendon]

Rip

Seems only good for bosses then

[wild trail]

like think of distributed damage like a fixed damage, that gets averaged per unit on screen

the more units on screen, the less damage it'll do

the beauty of distributed dmg is that it ignores def to certain extent

so it's very good on solo boss

[low tendon]

It does?

[shy vigil]

had to make this meme for you guys

[wild trail]

i am pretty sure it does as a friend tested that, but i didnt check his work or stuff, so yea, take it with a pinch of salt and test it out yourself

i think its basically dorothy on her burst (easiest to see on solo boss) she'll do same damage everytime

which leads to assumption that it just apply the damage outright bypassing defense

[dark hawk]

Reminder

You gonna play scalt and Rh in auto

Perfect fast=ban

[wild trail]

it's harder to get ban on scalt since its natural delay makes the whole action chain well above macro detection limit

its easier to get ban on alice because there's no post attack delay, making people tagged for false alarm way easier

but considering the difference between manual scalt vs auto scalt, there's not much benefit to it, so just leave her to auto and manual others

since that way, you're guaranteed the full charge bonus too

[dark hawk]

In the right condition sure

Dunno if scar alter can shot more than 1 part

Cuz her reduced range

[wild trail]

i think people have mined her spread as in very small, so i doubt you'll be able to splash multi parts with it

but ofc, it'll need to be tested with actual play scenario

[dark hawk]

And not all people has perfect ol in alice

Better try Vs red hood

[wild trail]

and while it's easier to do 18 shots in practice target, on boss, that'll be harder since you'll need to move your cursor around, leading to delayed action since you'll need to shoot and move

and not to mention, unlike alice, there's no incentive to full charge since there's no full charge benefit

but scalt has full charge bonus, which give people incentive to full charge and only quick shot to build burst

[blissful willow]

Is she auto shot

Or score my hand hurt already

Does*

[wild trail]

without actual unit to test on, my hypothesis is that auto and manual control should not result in too much dmg loss, and since you're going to pair her with alice, you should be manualling alice and leave scalt on auto

to minimise damage loss

[craggy osprey]

Shadow not available for test yet right?

[minor fox]

nope

only test animations in target practice in nikkepedia

[alpine oriole]

so she needs mandatory manual play?

[blissful willow]

It seems like her charge is going to be extremely hard to manual

compared to 100% charge speed alice

I was hoping she would be an auto rocket launcher

[valid flume]

i wont even want to manual her

[stark ravine]

Her charge can be cancel

so yeah, you can spam it for quick regen

[serene sparrow]

Trash for pvp?

[valid flume]

wait u can cancel it and still activate s1?

[serene sparrow]

No

[vestal kettle]

still better than og scar?

[wild trail]

i personally find her quick fire timing is easier to grasp than alice who is so close to the minimum charge hold requirement, but yea, i dont believe you're required to manual her, as it is likely that we're talking like 2-3 shots difference between auto and quick fire manual. Most importantly, her bulk source of damage will likely come from s1, which require full charge

[serene sparrow]

Wat about pvp? Bad as a sniper?

[wild trail]

no one knows her burst gen yet... so

[serene sparrow]

Her splash is hilariously small

[stark ravine]

cancel is not Full Charge, so no

s1 need full charge

[silk quest]

how fast will she shoot?

[valid flume]

2 shots per sex

[rustic rivet]

Shit

Assuming 1.5 shots per sec

Has core, no splash

Maxwell is with Tiga. The rest is LitBun, including Midlet.

I feel sad that I MLBed RH, a bit.

[valid flume]

all of that protest and they powercrept her 1 month later

[rustic rivet]

5.5 Burst Rotations

[rustic rivet]

She is still meta for everything but not the best for bossing anymore.

[dark hawk]

Laplace

[rustic rivet]

Midlet is meta for bossing but shit at everything else.

[dark hawk]

And what is this rank?

DMG on what

The air?

[rustic rivet]

Boss with core and no splash (0 pierce too).

[dark hawk]

So Alice and Rh are hitting the air

Nice

Basically

[rustic rivet]

Which will be the case for MaterialH

[valid flume]

i thought she below mod and rh

[potent stag]

tbh some of them can use jk better than midlet

[gloomy fog]

Should I be regretting getting RH to 10/10/10 now that salt already power creeped her?

[silk quest]

I think Salt doesn't go well with core right? So Red is with Tyga team. There's no competition between them

[gloomy fog]

Great

[dark hawk]

Is still bugged?

[dark hawk]

Who, scar alter?

[valid flume]

then u be ready for powercreep every month

welcome to SU cow farm

[chrome rapids]

Somehow managed to fast shoot

[rustic rivet]

U need full charge

Plus

Nikkepedia is bugged

[dark hawk]

Just let her in auto

[chrome rapids]

No

[dark hawk]

Imagine try every hit perfect

[chrome rapids]

It's more fun sweating

[dark hawk]

Without maxro

[chrome rapids]

What macro

[dark hawk]

I said maxro

[chrome rapids]

What maxro

[dark hawk]

Yes

[chrome rapids]

Mfw I gotta wait 4 more days to make this practical

Hold on

Can I use this method on snipa

Ayuuuuh

So much better than 1 thumb

[serene sparrow]

I'm not
RH got me past both chapter 13 and 14 hard

[serene sparrow]

Wind team copium?

Pair with pepper dolla if your liter bunnies team is full?

[gloomy fog]

Yeah salt

[vivid totem]

Is there a pin for unit? I am on mobile I don’t think I can see pins on a thread?

[serene sparrow]

Tap top and go to settings

Pins will be there

[vivid totem]

Ah I see thanks

[serene sparrow]

Meta for Modernia too?

I'd rather have Laplace lol

[chrome rapids]

She's not like A2 so it's fine.

Scalter won't send the wings to the Philippines.

[serene sparrow]

Should I try and save my mileage for half anniversary then

[jade prawn]

Don't start coping just yet
If her atk speed is 1.5-1.8 as theorised, she's usable everywhere

[serene sparrow]

Except pvp lol

[jade prawn]

I updated the pin description according to 1.5-1.8 attack speed

[jade prawn]

Yeah no, she's still usable in PvP with 1.8 cs

More than just usable with that nuking capacity

[chrome rapids]

Nikke players and dooming
Name a better duo

[stark ravine]

but compare to Scarlet, Salt less better

you can let Scarlet tank and enemies died from cringe

[jade prawn]

She's gonna be nuking higher than redhood overall, at 10 bullets she was gonna kill 3 confirmed units
At 18 she's gonna kill like 6 confirmed units.

[chrome rapids]

[foggy atlas]

Tbh even if she is one of the top dps Idk if she'll be worth it when I have all the meta dps plus no pilgrim gear.

[serene sparrow]

Use in 5RL+ comp?

[chrome rapids]

Just get gear dummy

[foggy atlas]

Lemme just rig my drops rq

[jade prawn]

It depends on teambuilding, this scarlet doesn't have a selfkill ability hindering her stuff

Blanc+Windlet+Rapunzel/biscuit+burst gen units

Should be enough to make a very decent team with her
Sure, the defence is not possible, but very high value attacker

Shift up is a retarded company that keeps powercreeping the shit out of popular units for some reason and idk why

It's like balancing doesn't exist

[foggy atlas]

[serene sparrow]

But muh Alice

[jade prawn]

Scarwind is a joke of a unit if she actually comes out at 1.5 AS.

[stark ravine]

Noise get three skin, Guillotine finally get a skin and it's also a mission pas BUT the skin is shit

maybe the worst mission pass skin ever

[chrome rapids]

You'd think they did that for their previous game

[stark ravine]

i demand justice for the chunni

[jade prawn]

That.. is not a proper unit of measurement but ok

[stark ravine]

i know, i just want to vent

[wooden bramble]

so what happens when a game constantly powercreeps?

do people quit the game?

[chrome rapids]

No

[stark ravine]

f2p suffered ...

[jade prawn]

Let's find out

[stark ravine]

whales get stronger because they can afford

f2p can only pray on lucks

[foggy atlas]

According to FEH, yes. But not enough for it to matter.

[wooden bramble]

so eventually f2p quit then the playerbase is gone?

[foggy atlas]

F2p mostly suffers

[serene sparrow]

Buffs for old stuff? Epinel found beheaded in garbage bin

[stark ravine]

game balance is damaged, causing bad opinions on the game

that lead to different problems

[jade prawn]

Nikke isn't dying yet so don't talk dumb stuff unless playerbase actually starts dropping

[stark ravine]

gacha banner release should be balance between mild, meta and casual units

[stark ravine]

i know

[jade prawn]

For now just reek in no skill mats, no custom modules

[stark ravine]

i don't want NIKKE step on same paths like many other gacha games does

i have no skill book left, XLud eat all

and not 10/10/10 yet

[foggy atlas]

Yeah I wouldn't care that much if we just had more mat income

[stark ravine]

mat is not a problem, meta is

[serene sparrow]

And ofc don't forget Abnormal lol

[chrome rapids]

Me when players fume because they gotta do the same grind like they always do when a new meta unit comes out

[stark ravine]

Abnormal is fine

Makima is still dominant pvp

A2 still in top 5

2B is niche

[serene sparrow]

Nah, you bypass with Sanis

[chrome rapids]

You don't

[halcyon silo]

its time to make a petition

[stark ravine]

top 10 pvp players don't just use Makima alone to defend...

[halcyon silo]

"chill on strong banners we're dying"

[stark ravine]

usually 1 or 2 more tank/supporters

[chrome rapids]

[dusty stream]

i kinda see this coming when yall mad at midhood..

but that's for another topic

[chrome rapids]

Anis banner pioneered the meta banners

[stark ravine]

Anyway, Scarlet Alter is fine, just not a good time to release her

[serene sparrow]

One thing: will salt help with sunbather?

[stark ravine]

save it for like 2 more months

and ShiftUp release casual banners

don't forget modernia rerun

[halcyon silo]

i dont remember what sunbather is but if evertyhing goes well yes

[chrome rapids]

I genuinely don't see the problem

[rustic rivet]

what nuke?

it's distributed damage

[serene sparrow]

RNG Lasers
14-30 hard is a culprit

[stark ravine]

the dmg is nice to kill supporters in pvp

against attacker and tank, yeah maybe not fast enough

throw in dorothy, 7s later, NUKE

[rustic rivet]

single target nuke?

[stark ravine]

pvp

[serene sparrow]

Who uses in pvp?

[rustic rivet]

u can say

she is good with Blanc and RH

but it's very costly

but Sakura exists

[tranquil portal]

I do

But its meme comp with 150k more power

[stark ravine]

sometimes doro team user pop up and kick ass people

[chrome rapids]

That means the opponent's team was garbage

[stark ravine]

So on 12th strike, does she deal 750% or 250% distributed damage?

[wooden turret]

250

[stark ravine]

so it reset per 9 ammo

[wooden turret]

ye

[stark ravine]

garbage

[wooden turret]

would be kinda bsurd if she just kept 750 on every proc afterwards

[stark ravine]

i'm joking

despite how fast she can reload, it doesn't matter, right?

reload mean reset?

[wooden turret]

skill desc doesnt mention that just mentions attacking

[stark ravine]

so does she benefit from max ammo more than atk roll on OL?

[wooden turret]

prolly only needs 1 decent ammo roll.
her s2 already refills her entire ammo and gives more ammo cap. should last enough for the entire 10s burst

[rustic rivet]

750

wait no

250% single target damage

[shy vigil]

Im seeing people complaining about powercreep... I remember the rh situation and I facepalm myself. Really?

[wooden turret]

prolly not the same ppl

[lethal sky]

No one complaining powercreep

[shy vigil]

idk I was seeing the whole server demanding rh to be buffed lol

@lethal sky scroll up

not much up

max one hour ago

[minor fox]

powercreep is less of an issue if the resources needed to invest in new units aren’t fucking massive

[shy vigil]

while you max the new unit the older one still works and still helps you clear content

it's not like it's automatically useless

[minor fox]

no but it feels bad

[shy vigil]

also we are going to have dry season of good units again until half ani probably again , with a good unit or two sprinkled in

if we keep seeing powercreep I blame the rh incident lol

this game was famous for having low amout of newly released meta units

[lethal sky]

I aint doing that, if i had to scroll up 1 hr of text just to find 1 complaint from a rando.

Rh buff request was everywhere

Insignificant

[dark hawk]

Not enough books for all these nikkes

I still spending resources in mod

Xlud outs when I started to spend in mod

As f2p is hard be close if each month out a new meta nikke

[dark hawk]

Dunno why they don't fucking balance their game

This can't be, new unit meta who powercreep everything

Again

And balancing adjusting and more when?

[sturdy lion]

Not me. I'm still bitter about the RH buffs

[chrome rapids]

Imagine being swayed by meta and not building what you want because you have to follow the hivemind.

[tranquil portal]

dont chase every meta lol

other units still good

[chrome rapids]

[dark hawk]

Sure

Rh, Alice mod

Game is not just 1 unit

[tranquil portal]

cuz if you chase every new trend you never finish one

and besides top comp plays for sweatty tryhards

you can do with sub optimals teams

[chrome rapids]

Jack of all trades, master of none

[dark hawk]

But you know is a lot of new meta units

I cant

I'm not f2p at all

But I didn't buy books or cores in cash shop

[tranquil portal]

finish RH ALICE XLUD first before investing in 4th one lol

[dark hawk]

[tranquil portal]

im f2p+

[chrome rapids]

I'm giga f2p

[dark hawk]

I said it, I started with mod when xlud was announced

[tranquil portal]

yeah and finish mod first lol

[dark hawk]

I can't just let her apart

[tranquil portal]

mod still meta

[dark hawk]

Sure I'm spending in her now

[foggy atlas]

I'm a whale but I don't wanna throw money every banner

[dark hawk]

I know bro, I'm not the kind of people who just follow perfect numbers

[chrome rapids]

Slow and steady

[dark hawk]

For example

I gonna buy noise skin

And that is all no books

[chrome rapids]

10 10 10 Scarlet then I focus on Milk then I go 10 10 10 Scalter

[dark hawk]

Ye, gacha skin bring books just for lvl 4

[tranquil portal]

dont do 10 10 10 scarlet

lol

[chrome rapids]

Almost done anyway

[dark hawk]

10/4/10

[tranquil portal]

[chrome rapids]

I'm gonna 10 10 10 Milk as well

[deep musk]

[dark hawk]

Leg

[deep musk]

yo

[alpine oriole]

she would win twerk-offs against rh. There, the only thing nice I can say about her

[deep musk]

5k messages and the unit isnt even out

[valid flume]

No shame

[chrome rapids]

Me when Scalter attack pose

[open sundial]

Aha was wondering about that

[chrome rapids]

Soon baby

[open sundial]

But yeah, in PvP, Sakura hard counters Shadow

[tranquil portal]

the attacker should never lose in pvp anyways

[open sundial]

Rookie arena defense with Shadow, no good unless the enemy doesn't have Sakura

[tranquil portal]

and defending is useless in pvp

[open sundial]

SP arena defense with Shadow, pointless due to Sakura unless again they don't have her

So, she'll be mainly an attacker

[tranquil portal]

best start= out whale everyone and have CP debuff win for you

[shy vigil]

Well when I entered the channel today I was left in that time position so I didn't do it on purpose

[open sundial]

Well, that too, sure

[lethal sky]

Im new

[tranquil portal]

does her small splash radius even hit 2 or 3 units?

[open sundial]

How was her splash radius determined? Is it factually 1/10th?

[lethal sky]

You have entered the rando complaint timezone

[tranquil portal]

raw data , its like stated as 50

[open sundial]

It's still a splash, there are cases in Base Defense where they stack or hold hands

Unless it's too small

[tranquil portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059468005911830558/1189987967037616229/image0.png?ex=65a029a8&is=658db4a8&hm=9c43637c7018a20ed226a8fab92c4de2feb065900d61d69b11940733c9314bab&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=572&height=809

[lethal sky]

Rapture hentai

Whats ' target GL'?

[tranquil portal]

shrug

default RL is 500
a2 is 750

[lethal sky]

Whats a shotguns radius?

Is it 50 as well?

[valid flume]

She likely compensate for her lack of normal aoe by hitting very hard, hopefully

[stark ravine]

when normal analyze is not enough, you rip off codes and check assets

why not hack ShiftUp's HQ to show dominant

[wooden turret]

just simply become shiftup CEO and ask them to show the data

[shy vigil]

this is getting obsessive XD

[rustic rivet]

REFUND MY

REFUND MY XLUD BURST PLS

Fuck

Invested too much

Pls refund the lv 9 only

Smfh

[valid flume]

I see the pattern here

Xlud out, refund his tove
Scarbs out, refund his xlud

[stark ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-button-pressing-button-keyboard-press-gif-16521942

[craggy osprey]

[serene sparrow]

how about never? So I'll never want to use Crow

[vestal kettle]

so... how many shot/burst now? still req ammo line?

[serene sparrow]

you could techically just use liter+bunnies

that's 20 max ammo on burst

though 1 max ammo line is probably more than enough

[magic peak]

kise always jsut

overcooking

[willow walrus]

i'm just gonna exchange with gold mileage ticket

i'm like

bleed dry after anniversary and charismas

and collaboration is coming again in 1.5 month???

[dark hawk]

imagine people who pull for tove

and spent in her s1

[open sundial]

Next banner, also a Pilgrim, Rapunzel: Naughty Confessions. He’ll be refunding Shadow then

[deep musk]

tove’s enabler in the event after that

reset for Tove

[potent stag]

sg dps with stacking buff with cdr and heal is on half anni

100%

[halcyon silo]

surely we will get a b3 wind shotgun healer dps with cdr

and instant meta

[mortal pendant]

Bro TWO amazing unit drops and mfs is dooming about power creep bro chill

Hell Ludmilla just dropped and she wasn't power creep at all

[wooden turret]

dont worry koreans are currently cooking as we speak

[mortal pendant]

I just can't wait to see testing man, some people saying she's gonna be as good or even better than RH, some saying she's eh ok

Can't wait to see it

[sturdy lion]

The low splash radius will make testing her vs mobs & part-based bosses interesting

cuz the phase 2 attack hits enemies "within the attack range," but 50 range is pretty tight

[mortal pendant]

I wonder if there is any shot she is better at killing aoe than modernia

Mind is telling me no tho lol

Id hope she's as good

Maybe even better

But yah my mind says no shot

But I guess we'll see on that too

[sturdy lion]

I doubt it since distributed damage is mediocre for mobbing

Seems more like a solution for bosses that don't take a lot of damage naturally due to lack of parts/core like Phase 1 Nihilister

[mortal pendant]

Yah even though she has the aoe stuff it almost seems like she would still be better for bossing than not

Which I guess is better since being good at single target is good for end game stuff like raids

[sturdy lion]

Although she'll be amazing for Mother Whale

since distributed damage doesn't care about the mobs' buffs

[opaque gull]

So, is she worth it for pulling?

[sturdy lion]

Most likely worth 1 copy by initial impressions

[deep musk]

pilgrim + best wind dps

automatic 1 copy

[sturdy lion]

Something would have to be VERY wrong to skip

[opaque gull]

1 copy ya mean 1 star?

[deep musk]

0 star

at least

[opaque gull]

got it, pulling

[coral pagoda]

Midlet gaming let's go

[deep musk]

with mileage ideally

[sturdy lion]

Though I think mileage is more worth than pulling

Pilgrim 1% is a scam

[opaque gull]

i have more than enough lol

[deep musk]

cause idk if you wanna try a 1% gacha with gems

[sturdy lion]

Especially if we follow the theme of last year with collabs in March

[opaque gull]

im not even using gems, i have around 140 banner tickets

[foggy atlas]

I blew all of my mileage on rh then I got mega unlucky on xLud and had to build up a spark for her.

[opaque gull]

wait

is the banner even up btw?

[sturdy lion]

Jan 1st

[opaque gull]

got it

stacking up to it then

[sturdy lion]

If you're NA, then Dec 31st reset

[foggy atlas]

It wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't planning on using step up banner

[tranquil portal]

bro is washing skill mats

[valid flume]

bro trying to ride the meta waves but the meta rides him instead

[warm dune]

her new name is

B. Scarlet

not scalter or scarbs

[abstract crag]

discord searching new scarlet name will be fun

[dark hawk]

Rose sister

[abstract crag]

SBS

[dark hawk]

NDS

No drunk scarlet

[hasty palm]

oscar

[dark hawk]

Who is oscar?

[foggy atlas]

"Old" Scarlet

[tulip crane]

Scarlet Jr.

[dark hawk]

Ahahahahaj

I like it

[sleek river]

scarlet is the new blacked

[valid flume]

bring back gatrix for the BLACK scarlet

[open sundial]

They should’ve told us the Nikkes’ serial code and we could refer to them by it Simplifies all the naming headaches!

[craggy osprey]

i just call her shadow

[open sundial]

A fellow Shadow caller

[rigid gale]

Yeah distributed damage is dog shit unless its an absolute max nuke like dorothy

[mortal pendant]

Saying Oscar will make people think there is a boy character in the game and they will get mad and uninstall

[hasty palm]

Filter em out

[alpine oriole]

kick those filths to genshit so they can stare at men's ass for 1 year straight

[tranquil portal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeOutpost/s/1bZsjGsjen

[toxic jewel]

I just got the second Pilgrim boot... should I put it on Scarlet or RH or Salt? or need to wait for the real test?