[Scarlet: Black Shadow] New Unit Megathread

[jade prawn]

It's round up function so should work at .5

[sturdy lion]

It rounds up?

That's unexpected

[jade prawn]

Do you have smthng that can test if it's rounding up at 3.1 as well?

Perhaps wingman?

2.1, 1.1

Smthng

[halcyon silo]

i can test a round down at .4

with mica+6bullet

2.4=2

[sturdy lion]

[jade prawn]

So it's simple round up

[halcyon silo]

ya

[jade prawn]

You need 1 tier 11 ammo roll realistically
Then get 50% ammo on skill 2

I think that's cheap enough

9×50%= 4.5=5 ammo, 14 total
62% ammo roll for 6 ammo
For 20 ammo

And then just remember to reload before her full burst

[sturdy lion]

?

Wouldn't you want to be a 1 ammo before burst?

Since her S2 fully reloads?

[jade prawn]

Oh it fully reloads

Yeah then it doesn't matter what ammo you are

[sturdy lion]

Although I'm going to assume 100% is level 10

Maybe S2 is
20/24/28/32/36/40/44/48/52/56/60% Max Ammo
50/55/60/65/70/75/80/85/90/95/100% Reload?

[jade prawn]

We'll find that out in 12 hours I guess

[open sundial]

…

[sturdy lion]

I'm more afraid of the burst

[open sundial]

Yes find out to your despair that the banners won’t be up until Dec 31

[sturdy lion]

More likely than not she'll still be in the Nikkepedia

[open sundial]

Oh right

[jade prawn]

No I know that

[sturdy lion]

I'd be shocked if they push a Monday patch

[jade prawn]

But it'll be on nikke.gg

Cuz they have gamers there with amazing intuition

[halcyon silo]

https://imgflip.com/i/8am17q

[jade prawn]

Bro dev notes better give us more info on overclock

Better be 4 weeks worth of mats

At least 2× income

[eager summit]

delayed until 2025

[halcyon silo]

yea they have wild dreams

[sturdy lion]

Imagine if the S1 reduction scales by level

[halcyon silo]

imagine if s1 hitcount scaled by level

i would be so dead

[jade prawn]

S1 is alrdy maxlevel worthy

Ez lvl7

[halcyon silo]

ya but im poor

[open sundial]

I vaguely recall there was some rumor it’d be 30 manual selectors a week, but selecting what… could be x10 burst manual 3s so it’s 300 burst manual 3s a week

[eager summit]

Bro, I don’t even have XLud skills at decent levels rn

[open sundial]

So that was as good as not knowing anything in the first place

[jade prawn]

That's

Still pretty decent

If it's per week

[jade prawn]

Aite so tldr big brain intuition time

[eager summit]

Double scar meta

🧠

[jade prawn]

Should I Pull?/Is Scarlet:Black Shadow good?

Yes, she is good and you should pull one copy. Using gold tickets is also not a bad way to go about it since it's a 1% banner, she's better than modernia on solo bosses, that's for sure!
Low spenders may try to get mlb if they are horny or want to be competitive for wind raids, because stats will matter there.. One copy should be enough otherwise for teambuilding. Modernia banner is also up, and if you pull were her you might lose out on ScarWind dupes.

Why? Why is Jetstream Scarlet good?

She is another Attacker Pilgrim B3 unit that outputs tons of damage. Her damage is high and above even when compared to the damage of popular DPS units like modernia or redhood. Her skills works well together, she isn't killing herself like her drunk version is, and it seems that she will be used in Solo Raids, no matter what the weakness is, making her more than just a mere usable unit! You're looking at a beast in the making

[sturdy lion]

(Don't forget that she's the much-needed Wind element DPS)

[autumn igloo]

@jade prawn "she isn't killing herself like her drunk version is"

[rigid gale]

Youre so smart snake

I should come to you for everything

[jade prawn]

[willow walrus]

i don't have gear set for new scarlet

just gonna keep lving A2 cuz she obviously don't have that issue

[hybrid dome]

So, Scarlet Alternative is not must MLB like RH?

[willow walrus]

i just got like my 2nd pair of pilgrim attacker shoe after 14 months

[jade prawn]

Idk yet

No one gave me exact numbers

Skyjlv saying she's the 🐐

If you listen to him it's mlb blindly

[tranquil portal]

C7 first think later

[willow walrus]

nah i would stop watching his video till we actually have the unit, they make money on these "guessing" video

[jade prawn]

Wait, lemme just make one thing clear.
No one is ever "must MLB".

Dupes only give extra stats and it matters if you're competitive or horny.

Mlb gives bond 40 and lobby wallpaper for extra stats.
Core 7 is for leviathans

[jade prawn]

Skyjlv is not a fraud

He is good

You can trust him

[dapper cosmos]

Pretty much for now that's all it is

[willow walrus]

i would turst if he put on bishojo vtuber skin

[dapper cosmos]

Wait till the the units drops and then he does the math.

[willow walrus]

i don't need someone to remind me what i look like infront of pc

[tranquil portal]

tinfoil brain says running with modernia (yes she was last year's new year unit) feels like a test for chime and crown

[jade prawn]

Tf lmao

[jade prawn]

C&C for half anniv??

Next pilg banner far away

[tranquil portal]

duo pilgrim

let us save thanks

[jade prawn]

5 mid units next pls

Need to upgrade and stuff

Bro Collab is in like
1.5 months

😭

[tranquil portal]

collab with what?

mid collab please thanks

[jade prawn]

Idk but I think we'll have Collab in same time frame as we had Collab for csm

It seems logical

[tranquil portal]

bruh please no

[jade prawn]

3 pilgs per year
2 Collabs per year

Summer and xMas events

What else?

Anniv and half anniv

Yeah that's about it

[eager summit]

…

[tranquil portal]

we dont have easter and halloween units right

[jade prawn]

We have easter

[tranquil portal]

who was it

[jade prawn]

But it's really only a normal banner

[jade prawn]

Alice with D

[eager summit]

Alice rerun

[tranquil portal]

LMAO

[eager summit]

Alice rerun this Easter

[tranquil portal]

alice rerun before macro ban

[eager summit]

Confirmed legit

[jade prawn]

We have more bunnies now

[tranquil portal]

the select step up thing will be great for those missing one of the duo units

[dark hawk]

Rouge banner when?

[valid flume]

@grim iron FASTer mod si auto

[grim iron]

possibly

[vestal kettle]

finally able to kill mod in 1 burst without sw?

[valid flume]

prolly not in 1 burst

im thinking if the distributed damage actually affect the missles and kill them all at once

[grim iron]

distributed damage doesn't affect projectiles

[valid flume]

scarmid

[warm dune]

[open sundial]

Speaking of this, doesn’t 2B AoE which is distributed damage ignore projectiles?

[valid flume]

let me see i used her like 3 times for fun

[edgy hazel]

if dist dmg affects projectiles her damage would have been terrible on the boss

[open sundial]

It’s usually a good thing for boss projectiles to be destroyed, though

[jade prawn]

I don't understand why the fuck they turned off damage numbers for her showcase

Shiftup is so fucking braindead

What are we supposed to even see

Her ass?

[open sundial]

Perhaps they found out the damage reverse engineering that happened with Red Hood and made it a rule to always have them off for showcases?

[foggy atlas]

"We gotta hide our bad advertising better"

[warm dune]

this prob it lol

the sad thing is

they should have enough resources to calculate OG scarlet DPS

and match new attackers to be better or worse easily

but they cant for some reason

[jade prawn]

Just hire a Korean math Wiz
Aren't they supposed to be god gamers that know everything about the game

[craggy osprey]

5 days for the veredict

[warm dune]

no

just a few hours

once lorax finds out the hold fire delay

we can reverse engineer the firing delay based off A2's delay

[craggy osprey]

i'll not be surprised if she's shit

makes sense lorewise

[jade prawn]

She isn't shit

[warm dune]

she's fine even at 1 bullet per second

[jade prawn]

AT all

[warm dune]

just because she is the only wind DPS

so its basically a 1 copy if u want to be competitive

[jade prawn]

It's just a matter of if she's insane or good

[warm dune]

2 BPS is very competitive

3BPS is very good

4 BPS is crazy

[craggy osprey]

that 0.3 sec is such a scam

[jade prawn]

We don't have any good charge speed buffers

[warm dune]

alice s1

58.35%

[jade prawn]

Yeah but we can't grt

To 100%

[warm dune]

its fine

[jade prawn]

Otherwise it would be very fun

[warm dune]

i dont want to play on her anyways

rather play on alice

if u kno u kno

[jade prawn]

I'm just waiting for the rework at this point

Pls rework fast

[valid flume]

Idk please elaborate

[craggy osprey]

who

[warm dune]

i will get banned if i speak

[jade prawn]

@dark hawk send that emoji to union server and have zald add it

The one you used to react to this post

[grim iron]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[dark hawk]

Which emoji?

[jade prawn]

The seggs one

[dark hawk]

??

[valid flume]

[jade prawn]

Bruh it was you

[dark hawk]

It wasn't me

[warm dune]

lol apparently sky's vid is wrong

math is hard

[jade prawn]

How wrong is it

[foggy atlas]

This time I wouldn't be surprised if it was wrong since it was napkin math

[tepid vortex]

Atk buff is done wrong

[warm dune]

courtesy of kos

[foggy atlas]

Wait how would he fuck up the atk buff lol

[jade prawn]

Type that on his discord instead of YouTube

[warm dune]

yea im not joining his discord LOL

[halcyon silo]

i just saw the youtube comment

[valid flume]

He is here

[halcyon silo]

wasnt my comment

[dark hawk]

Who won in his calculation? Rh or scar alter?

[valid flume]

One of a few brains that not get banned yet

[jade prawn]

Tag him here then

[grizzled hill]

ping him

[warm dune]

why me

why not u guys

im just a leech

i have other people do the work for me and then i yoink that

[foggy atlas]

If you're a messenger you gotta message the actual guy

[grizzled hill]

he misplaced his delivery

[craggy osprey]

[warm dune]

im a leech

not a messenger

corrected*

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968098119717904433/1168711158459543672/NihiSuckyTitty.gif?ex=6552c215&is=65404d15&hm=d30d4058549596a2b130b85316de9488708ae15ab06c1f50ab9e7ee53788b99e&

[jade prawn]

[valid flume]

@wanton silo Austin said your math wrong

[warm dune]

????

[dark hawk]

"Austin said "

[warm dune]

not me

austin said that kosmiu said that a youtube comment said that your math is wrong*

[dark hawk]

Ye, he was

[jade field]

[wooden turret]

ye, he straight up multiplied scars atk by 115.12x.
it should've been multiplied by 2.1512x

[halcyon silo]

is he in NA? was he mathing at 6am like this chat

i remember waking up at like 7 seeing the kit

then went back to sleep

"i aint mathing yet"

[jade prawn]

Yes

[wooden turret]

same deal with RH. he multiplied by 71.42x when it should've been 1.7142x

[rigid gale]

Distributed damage need to die

SU spams it too much

Every unit that has it always ends up being mid for story

[jade prawn]

@warm dune @halcyon silo

[warm dune]

[eager summit]

[rigid gale]

Lmfao

[gloomy fog]

Wut. Salt looking to be 1.5x as strong as RH?

[foggy atlas]

With an asterisk.

[blissful willow]

when new scarlet out

scarlet 40% stronger on burst than RH?

what the morb

[foggy atlas]

This is assuming 1 bullet per second, could easily be 2 bullets per second depending on animation.

Also the 1.5x initially started as overall dps.

And like always it doesn't account for Pierce, which is almost always active.

[jade prawn]

Updated description

[unique shuttle]

number looks good on paper, why she's not insanely broken again?

[jade prawn]

cuz theyre not as broken after the math is done

[unique shuttle]

lemme see the math

[jade prawn]

thats it really

[jade prawn]

still figuring out some tweaks

as austin said, need to wait for the delay that A2 has

to figure out what her final standing is

[unique shuttle]

alright

[jade prawn]

but she isnt reaching red hood

thats for sure

[unique shuttle]

[jade prawn]

better than drunk scarlet tho

[wild trail]

how watertight is the assumption of 1.5 attack per second?

[valid flume]

When bitches only focus on solo raid only and say this nikke better than other nikke without stating it sr

[wild trail]

i mean... if a unit is unable to dislodge anyone from the top tier, they are automatically deemed as extras for campaign

if a unit has average burst gen and is just good at dps, that unit will also be automatically deemed as extra for pvp

[jade prawn]

not good

its still a bit off

with alice 14 bullets might be possible

but ideally youll be getting 10-12 bullets

[lethal sky]

So where we at with scarlet tc

[wild trail]

so its likely to edge closer to 1 bullet per sec as opposed to 2 bullets per sec?

[jade prawn]

for sure

[lethal sky]

No numbers means we hit a wall?

[wild trail]

10-12 bullets means that no/minimal ammo OL is needed

actually, if we're talking 10-12, she probably dont even need ammo OL considering the 60% max ammo buff she gets

[shy vigil]

Lel

[valid flume]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-gacha-mobile-game-kermit-gif-8751144

[jade prawn]

pull but like

only for solo raid

im not confident in pvp either

for defence shes just trash right

for attack, well
maybe shes usable

[wild trail]

she could potentially be sanis lite, but that will need testing

[halcyon silo]

Waiting to see burst gen and aoe numbers

[jade prawn]

1 shot/s
thats what the general RL is anyways

almost

[halcyon silo]

Imagine if the delay magically disappears in pvp

Cuz PvP sux

3x rocket gen would be our long waited clip RL?

[jade prawn]

how much she hitting tho

A2 lvl?

goddamn

[halcyon silo]

Idk lmao

[jade prawn]

thatd be hot

[wild trail]

i personally dont think she'll get a lot of burst gen in PvP, because of the wording (small area) in the skill

[halcyon silo]

They could also just straight nerf her gen

Smol white over there for some reason

With literally negative gen

[wild trail]

but i suppose, good to know that she's not broken as initial thought is....

although... this open another can of worm where people can just cry for more buff

[halcyon silo]

i will post this in the thread https://imgflip.com/i/8am17q

[valid flume]

The most underwhelming pilgrim banner

I woke up saw her kit and turned off the phone

[jade prawn]

in fact

she is not broken at all

imo

[halcyon silo]

i woke up, saw her kit with 0.3s charge and went "yea that aint right but i aint mathing rn"

and went back to sleep

[jade prawn]

im gonna dip now aboveaveragelet is not worth the trouble

[wild trail]

the 0.3s charge will be hard to get right, since i'm sure anything below 0.25s hold will result in not firing

[halcyon silo]

when i saw that i was like

this reminds me of a2 when we all thought she didnt have a delay

and was going to start slapping everyones booty

[wild trail]

i suppose it'll just be how the post attack delay interact with the cover animation

[halcyon silo]

ya its basically forcing us to not cancel that animation

[wild trail]

so it might be the case where you rely on the audio cue, which has delay

[halcyon silo]

im hoping to rely on my ai shooting well

[wild trail]

aye, AI shooting it seems if you cant animation cancel

[jade prawn]

non macro unit for sure

[rigid gale]

I will post this in official

[valid flume]

Oh so the 3/6/9 hit

Get reset after 9?

[halcyon silo]

yes

[wild trail]

i'd expect that to be

[valid flume]

[wild trail]

otherwise... that's just broken

[halcyon silo]

imagine every hit after 9th hit

u just get 750% conversion aoe

now thats copium

[jade prawn]

what if

[rigid gale]

I want every hit 9 hits dorothy nuke

[jade prawn]

youre at 7 hits

and u burst

what happens then

[halcyon silo]

from what it looked like

u get 9th hit aoe

if i wasnt insane when i looked at the burst video i saw the slashes with the word poping up

[wild trail]

sounds like potential for bug

[jade prawn]

yeah for sure

expect su to fuck it up

[halcyon silo]

my guess is they actually keep track of the "phase"

and the counter only triggers the change after 3

so if they lower the counter to 1 u still have to trigger "phase change"

which procs aoe

[valid flume]

Expect some mfks here exploit for bugs like its the best day of their life

[wild trail]

but the burst drops the hit counter requirement

[valid flume]

[halcyon silo]

yea it drops it to 1

[wild trail]

well not drop, but reduce

[jade prawn]

expect someone to still be stuck on nihilister

[wild trail]

i wonder if that's the case... either way, probably good idea to test that on release

[valid flume]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-smackdown-wwegif-austin-theory-the-rock-gif-10644104540234558719

[wild trail]

if she's bugged and went without phase reset, imagine the drama when they fix the bug

[halcyon silo]

imagine it gets bugged like alice's pierce

i would be salty every time it happened

[valid flume]

You have final Ol priority yet or wait for datamine? @jade prawn

[jade prawn]

ele
atk

charge damage

in that order

[valid flume]

No ammo?

[jade prawn]

not needed

[wild trail]

will you need ammo OL? or does the number suggest she's not firing over 14 bullets in 10 seconds?

[valid flume]

So kisenix jebaiting again

He said 2+ ammo

[jade prawn]

she aint firing over 14 bullets

austin was right

no ammo needed

[wild trail]

[valid flume]

Wait @open sundial why the sbs thread so ded is there anything stopping them from talking there out of fear or sth

[fast yoke]

i don't talk there because someone will join and kill the fun "please wait for actual release"

[jade prawn]

Imagine waiting for release to solve a character in nikke

In this day and age? Nah

[valid flume]

@jade prawn i see

4ndy said

cs>ammo>atk>ele

why its so different from yours

[jade prawn]

Charge speed on redhood???

[valid flume]

sbs

[jade prawn]

6.04% is the best charge speed right?

[tranquil portal]

how many bullet she can realistically fire during burst ? given no buffs or anything

[jade prawn]

6.09% of 0.3s = 0.018s if you get a black roll of charge speed

[deep musk]

6.09

[valid flume]

who do i listen to, rookie academy+platinum or a silver role guy

[jade prawn]

0.02s for round off

4 black rolls give 0.08s saved per shot

[valid flume]

why her 3rd shot feel so weak for aoe

dorothy can do 8.9k+

sbs got like 0.75k every 3rd shot

she might even worse than a2 for campaign if the other b3 dps can handle core + strong gun

[jade prawn]

All 3 skills basically do 0.75-1k every 3 shots

So it's ~2.8k every 3 shots

doro

[valid flume]

wait then its kinda equal doro

[jade prawn]

Attacker stats

[valid flume]

but doro barely kill shiet with her distributed damage tho

[jade prawn]

Windlet ain't that bad man

She just ain't redhood

If this char was released like 6 months ago people would be happier

For new players she is good as well

[valid flume]

she actually the first pilgrim banner

that doesnt come up with something new

except for the alternate 3 shots, but its not really special effect for all 3

[jade prawn]

Nah it's nothing new

[valid flume]

like if first 3 shots def downn, then 6 shots damage taken up, then 9 shots distributed

[foggy atlas]

What caused the change in opinion? Where all the Scarlet hype men go?

[valid flume]

then its sth interesting

[jade prawn]

She got over-hyped
She's still good, don't get me wrong

[cobalt dirge]

Better than O.G Scarlet?

[valid flume]

u need to be specific of better where

[cobalt dirge]

Looking for B3 to pair with Mod for campaign mostly

No Redhood

[jade prawn]

Non electric Solo bosses? Yes
Campaign? No
Bosses with adds? No
PvP? No//depends, wait for burst gen numbers

[foggy atlas]

Did someone out-math Sky?

[tranquil portal]

calculation already determine this?

[jade prawn]

Intuition + some math yeah
Can't be exact for now in anything but expect this

[wild trail]

i am not very sure on charge speed OL, because there's a minimum hold needed before you can release a shot, otherwise it'll be a whiff on the animation cancelling

[valid flume]

why i feel like i will get some cs on mine and so broke that when i am about to fix it they release another meta nikke and i drag my broke ass on to the next without fixing any backlog nikkes

[tranquil portal]

just hope she won't be too good, just strong is enough

[alpine oriole]

Nah I'm skipping her. Shitup is an idiot for flooding the game with so many Pilgrim attackers

I don't have enough Pilgrim parts for her

If she's a dps defender or support Pilgrim, maaaaybe

[tranquil portal]

she's a wind dps, that make her not skippable for me

[grim iron]

imagine having enough rocks to worry about that

[rigid gale]

Yall gotta stop using that shit as cope

This game has very bad starter ssrs it gives out and the SRs are fodder day one

Every fucking unit to release that isnt D tier will be good for new players

Cut the shit

[jade prawn]

Modernia+Windlet should be a better starter than Redhood SWID imo

[grim iron]

[valid flume]

actually the best reroll event

[grim iron]

imagine rerolling 2 1% banners

[jade prawn]

You need to understand that
Windlet isnt bad

She's like

90% of Rh? Maybe

[rigid gale]

Shes bad for me

I dont mald raids

Ill just get for collection

[jade prawn]

Do you think Doro is good for campaign

Cuz scar kinda works like her

[rigid gale]

Yeh but she dont take up a b3 slot

[jade prawn]

Use liter there

[rigid gale]

Depends on the stage

[jade prawn]

Campaign is very practical and I honestly can't predict it unless I try it

[low tendon]

Is new scarlet actually good? I thought distributed damage is ass

Cheeks

[grim iron]

only ass in regular stages and/or bosses with mobs in their attack rotations

otherwise distributed damage practically always and only hits the boss

[minor fox]

the last bastion of pve content that's still relevant for everyone is solo raid, which is a boss fight, so distributed damage is kinda irrelevant mostly.

[grim iron]

also doesn't hit projectiles either before you ask that as well

[gloomy fog]

That’s where it would shine

[low tendon]

Oh so bad for campaign prob

Only good for raids

[minor fox]

late game campaign is just cp-check and rng-fest anyway

rng-fest whether a rapture misses their shot or not, or targets the right nikke or not

[low tendon]

Sounds like a pain

Alr hard enough doing campaign -40k

[minor fox]

also rng-fest whether the boss teleports or jumps around if you're rushing it. yay!

[agile bone]

I thought yesterday she is better than RH and extremely broken, what was change?

[jade prawn]

Idk let's see

I think she's kinda slightly worse

[grim iron]

meth was wrong

[valid flume]

gatrix always wins thats why

smhhh

[gloomy fog]

Who botched the meth?

[grim iron]

sky did

or at the very least it was sky's video that got the most attention with wrong meth

[gloomy fog]

Oof

[minor fox]

if she fires every 0.3 seconds with no frame delay, yeah she'll be stupidly strong and way better than RH
the question is just how long is that delay

[foggy atlas]

The napkin math just makes a lot of assumptions

That's why we're unsure

[jade prawn]

Her input type is Alice-like

[minor fox]

rn it seems that the consensus is that she fires effectively every 0.7 s

[cobalt dirge]

Yeah I saw some 60 fps footage. Looked like zero delay and < 1 sec per shot

[valid flume]

ok raise your hand who skipped xlud for this? no need to feel shame

[minor fox]

I'm confused

why don't they just make her sniper rifle if her splash range is pretty much nonexistent

[foggy atlas]

I skipped xMica.

[terse vessel]

AM 04:30 still awake, you madlad

[grim iron]

I actually have 0 gems atm cause I was still attempting to MLB xLudmilla

[agile bone]

I also siipped mica and no regrets, she looks meh

[jade prawn]

Timezone different

[hidden sand]

I did single 10 pull on xlud and mica and got both

Got plenty saved to make sure I get bscarlet

[terse vessel]

Ahh I forgot that

[tired ice]

Core 7 Xmas Lud

[valid flume]

did u get ?

[grim iron]

no

[agile bone]

With 0.7 s shot she will deal 7500% attack per ult

Doesn't look bad

[valid flume]

should have ask daddy snake

[grim iron]

trying to not spend my gold mileage as much as possible as well

I want to max core crown on release

[tired ice]

But why crown may be a CRAP unit

[grim iron]

don't care

waifu pull

I'll still do it

[tired ice]

Ok respect

I will go HAM ON CINDERELLA

[minor fox]

waiting for someone to make a gaming chair setting to minmax scalt

[agile bone]

She will be liberation at best

[tired ice]

I’m sure we will get Rapunzel Alter at some point

She’s the last of the goddess squad

[agile bone]

Rapunzel wasn't as hyped as Scarlet, so she rather be a skin imho

[tired ice]

Maybe but we still need a B2 God Mode Pilgrim

[grim iron]

I got you just select another nikke when you battle best gaming chair setting

[foggy atlas]

Rapunzel be the B2 we need

[agile bone]

I heard black Scarlet would be B2

[tired ice]

Copium

Cinderella won’t be liberation unit she will not make them a mint sitting in that game mode

[rustic rivet]

?

[twilit peak]

ah
a fellow cinderella enjoyers I see

[rustic rivet]

Her damage is dependent on her attack speed, which we don't know yet.

[minor fox]

can a nerd help check out my math

[rustic rivet]

And against bosses with NO core and no pierce, then Oscar wins.

[minor fox]

my math shows scalt > RH even with core hit, but not pierce

and assuming 0.7s per attack

[rustic rivet]

That was my calculation too, but I realized RH can be spammed.

[minor fox]

RH on burst can't really be spammed though

can it?

[rustic rivet]

Outside burst.

[tired ice]

You mean Macro

[minor fox]

I'm not really interested in off burst dps, because usually off burst duration is short and all the support buffs kick in during burst

[jade prawn]

That's what my math shows as well
But that's only during burst

Outside of burst, redhood does much more

And I think that's why she is 0.9 of rh

[minor fox]

on burst, my math is scalt around 1.25x rh

[jade prawn]

Ok uhh

How many procs of

[minor fox]

even with core hit

[jade prawn]

Her skill 1 do you have

[rustic rivet]

RH is ±175.70% per shot on Burst, shoots 33 times, with 30% damage distance, 50% FB bonus, and 100% core bonus, 71.42% ATK.

[jade prawn]

And how many bullets of her?

I'm using 10 bullets
4 procs of 1 bullet
3 procs of 2 bullet
3 procs of 3 bullet

[minor fox]

she automatically has 14 shots

on entering burst

from her s2

[rustic rivet]

10? No.

[minor fox]

and with 0.7 attack speed, 10s aligns well with 14 shots

[terse vessel]

Is charge dmg will affect skill 1 additional dmg?
My feeling is no

[jade prawn]

Gatrix feels like it's 1 bullet/s

[glacial pendant]

no

[jade prawn]

I'm listening to him over other people's feels

[minor fox]

well that definitely change things

[rustic rivet]

@crude drift can u find out the delay?

[rustic rivet]

The vid is using old test version

Charge time is 0.67s

It's wrong

[jade prawn]

You think it's higher bullets/s?

[wooden turret]

How do u know its test version?

[rustic rivet]

No idea

[jade prawn]

I mean, using 1 is a safe bet

[rustic rivet]

Kos said charge time is around 50 frames

[jade prawn]

It's the minimum

[rustic rivet]

When kit says 0.3s

[minor fox]

err, if I use 1/s firing speed, she's below RH

but close

[jade prawn]

Yeah

It's close

[rustic rivet]

50 frames is near 1 second lmao

[jade prawn]

~0.833 frames

[minor fox]

0.83s then

[rustic rivet]

I think it will be slightly faster on release

[jade prawn]

12 bullets

[minor fox]

12 shots

[rustic rivet]

Maybe around 0.6s per shot

[jade prawn]

12 shots makes decentlet become goodlet

[minor fox]

scalt

[rustic rivet]

I need kanupaku to answer me

[minor fox]

rh with core hit

[rustic rivet]

Alice reduces her charge time by 0.15s

[jade prawn]

I'm not using Alice for now

[rigid gale]

Listen to me bookie

[jade prawn]

Otherwise Rh goes up as well

And she goes up up

[rustic rivet]

Salt benefits from Alice than RH

More*

[rustic rivet]

24 frames?

[jade prawn]

0.4s

[rustic rivet]

Can u send A2 too to compare?

[minor fox]

so 0.7 it is

[wooden turret]

A2 delay to compare

[rustic rivet]

The fuck is uptype fire timing again

I forgot

[minor fox]

maybe if you're lucky with frames, you can get in 15 shots in 10s

[rustic rivet]

Oh it's % reduc to animation delay on burst

[terse vessel]

So… no delay?

[jade prawn]

There is a delay

[rustic rivet]

There is

[terse vessel]

23 or 1

[wooden turret]

23s delay

[rustic rivet]

23

[jade prawn]

1.4s delay for A2

[jade prawn]

24 frames

[glacial pendant]

[jade prawn]

23 frames**

[rustic rivet]

Aka 0.38s delay

0.3s charge time

Gatrix is wrong

Or they buffed her

Or the manual is sloppy ah

[terse vessel]

I think other RL has that delay too

[rustic rivet]

Did you watch JP vid

[jade prawn]

He said there is another delay

That he found

[rigid gale]

Wait i just realized im in the wrong chat

[rustic rivet]

They have better speed

Watch JP vid

They tryhard in demo

[wooden turret]

EN intern skill issue

[terse vessel]

Lmao

[rustic rivet]

https://x.com/NIKKE_japan/status/1739974942698225842?s=20

Look.

Delay what?

That's faster than 1 shot per sec.

JP just has better hands.

[jade prawn]

Was the bitchass from EN using a slow macro to confuse us or what

[wooden turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059468005911830558/1189752746132389940/mov_c225_temp.mp4?ex=659f4e97&is=658cd997&hm=dcf7abe07ea4747c0c51b9df3dea3697feb7834e5c46680c746bb0d41654da06&

[jade prawn]

Cuz it was consistent frames

[rustic rivet]

Watch again

[wooden turret]

She faster here too

[rustic rivet]

Old vid

JP motion demo is faster

That chg spd I think is the old one

It feels longer

Nvm

Its the same

Or just close

https://x.com/NIKKE_japan/status/1739974942698225842?s=20

Just watch this

Longer vid

Easy to watch

The guy releases at full charge

Immediately

[terse vessel]

All I saw is tits

[minor fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980886508133289988/1189422667418308740/1699140379121925869.gif?ex=659e1b2e&is=658ba62e&hm=09acc43e87e21ebbdca94792a2b061185cdbabb6b994454481853903f27e789a&

[rustic rivet]

So Salt > RH

I already knew Salt has near SG atk spd lmao

[jade prawn]

14 comfortably deletes Rh, yeah

Even when core hitting rh

[minor fox]

yea, only with pierce will RH win

[terse vessel]

Hehe Bois

[jade prawn]

Pierce, Rh wins cuz what the fuck is AoE

[eager summit]

There will be blood…shed!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112620848692596767/1169676498819629086/scarletsmug.gif?ex=65564520&is=6543d020&hm=c760102815b8ab1fd0a662ce32305ddcc54af2efd3d7ab78b6e6dcdf17b39232&

[cobalt dirge]

Turn the hype machine back on boys

[rustic rivet]

AoE wins when parts exist

[jade prawn]

Ok bruh AoE radius is 50

Goodluck with your AoE

[rustic rivet]

Oh

[tired ice]

ITS CORE 7 TIME LADIES

[grim iron]

she has like no aoe

[rustic rivet]

Thats kek af

[jade prawn]

For context
Normal RL is 500

[eager summit]

Aoe? What’s that

[jade prawn]

A2 is 750

[eager summit]

Scarlet just needs power

[terse vessel]

Da fuk 50

[rustic rivet]

Can still double hit tho

If u shoot parts, its still 2x hit

[jade prawn]

Kos is worried that it won't hit cover

In pvp

[rustic rivet]

If its attached to body

[minor fox]

with that kind of aoe, why the hell did they not make her SR

[jade prawn]

And you talk about double hit

[grim iron]

RL*

[jade prawn]

He said "not make"

[grim iron]

o

for her S1

that's all the aoe she gets

[rustic rivet]

Do you know if the 500% atk range hits parts?

[jade prawn]

Atk range?

[rustic rivet]

It should do, no?

Like Soline

[jade prawn]

What attack range

[grim iron]

the distributed damage I assume?

[minor fox]

THERE IS NO RANGE LMAO

50 RANGE

[rustic rivet]

Yeah S1 step2

[jade prawn]

Oh

No I do not

[rustic rivet]

But if its distributed then idk

[grim iron]

doesn't distributed not affect parts though?

[wooden turret]

Skill dmg cannot hit parts at all

[rustic rivet]

The problem is Soline's kinda does

[hasty palm]

Probably safe assumption none of her skill damage will hit parts or core

[grim iron]

she does?

[rustic rivet]

Someone tested on Alteisen no?

[grim iron]

man actually worse than A2 at breaking parts then

[rustic rivet]

Ok A2 not dead

2B dead

[minor fox]

2B has near +100% self hp so not out yet

[rustic rivet]

RH has 100%++

You know her skill 2?

Yeah

That was used last raid

The lifesteal

Was a vital part of her kit

If its used again this raid

Then gg

[minor fox]

btw, is the splash range number a radius or diameter?

[rustic rivet]

Radius

[minor fox]

yea ok lmao

50 radius vs 500

[elfin mortar]

is maint over yet

[jade prawn]

This isn't maint chat

Is it

[minor fox]

literally 100x more area

[elfin mortar]

is maint over yet

[hasty palm]

Yes

[elfin mortar]

bet

[edgy hazel]

then y ask

[jade prawn]

Anyways

[rustic rivet]

Scar is 0.68s/shot then

[jade prawn]

PvP: probably dead
Solo bosses: very real damage, best wind damage dealer ever

[jade prawn]

Btw reze might be right

[rustic rivet]

0.683?

[jade prawn]

It's 0.23s delay

Probably

And not 23 frames

Cuz A2 doesn't have >1s delay

Its <1s delay

[rustic rivet]

@halcyon silo help

What was A2's delay

[jade prawn]

He is the one who told me that

[rustic rivet]

Ok 23 frames

0.23s

I mean

[jade prawn]

It's 0.23s but there's an extra delay for her supposed "0.3s"

It's not 0.3s

It's more

[rustic rivet]

So 0.53s per shot

[jade prawn]

No cuz it's not 0.3s

There's an extra delay

[rustic rivet]

Its 0.3s

Because its using old test version

[halcyon silo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076238531371991181/1189804205104439377/image.png?ex=659f7e83&is=658d0983&hm=b45f26250002947d39eb8dede187660b306857349cbdd26d9c35e84840bf1cf8&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076238531371991181/1189804205532266606/image.png?ex=659f7e84&is=658d0984&hm=65b4a037cbeac0b78db8408ac28fbd33c34f5a8f352ea1f37edb9fe67823938c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076238531371991181/1189802667296428153/image.png?ex=659f7d15&is=658d0815&hm=699025a2649a913c0e1e94ee0e52d97de7db0c72ffdde47f5e6e450d25226947&

i dug this up from a while ago

theres 64 frames from cycle to cycle including the little bit of charge time

so it has to be less than 83

[rustic rivet]

You know what

[halcyon silo]

but from what i said in that discord message it was held for .83s before firing

[rustic rivet]

Im just gonna say 0.3s charge time + 0.23s anim delay

[wooden turret]

Nothing else in the code look different. So i guess we"ll just have to check ingame to be sure

[halcyon silo]

all of the videos ive looked at today were 30frame 100% -> 150% tho

[rustic rivet]

I mean it's 0.84s, so its close

[rustic rivet]

Why is there rate of fire

Wait can u post something else

Another RL

[wooden turret]

Ye 1 sec

[rustic rivet]

Like Rapunzel

Or whatever

Hmm there is 40ms delay

There

Spot first, spot last

But idk

[wooden turret]

laplace

[rustic rivet]

Ok fake rate of fire

I assume 40s delay?

Or delay is replaced by animation

Hmm

When will mt end

[wooden turret]

8 mins

[rustic rivet]

Delayed

[hasty palm]

Should be in 8 mins

[rustic rivet]

100 more gems

[hasty palm]

If no delay

[rustic rivet]

There will be a code surely

[wooden turret]

expire in 1min ofc

[hasty palm]

They watching y'all cook in here and gonna change stuff on the fly.

[valid flume]

oh in

[vivid totem]

Is she looking promising right now?

[rustic rivet]

Bro asks in 1st second of mt over

We need to wait for union shooting range

Hopefully shes already there

[eager summit]

Nah

[teal harness]

she not there

[eager summit]

Can’t use jetstream scarlet in shooting range

[rustic rivet]

Ok yall need to wait for 4 days

[twilit peak]

From Jetstream Sam to Delayedstream Sam

[rustic rivet]

How tf does it become jetstream

[wooden turret]

Shes currently the strongest banner released in 2024 so far.

[rustic rivet]

.....

[twilit peak]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-25512686

[vivid totem]

Damn he got the 4 day ahead Time Machine

[twilit peak]

Coz memories broken truth goes unspoken

[rustic rivet]

Time for Mod to get shafted

Mod is dying

[vivid totem]

Might roll for mod

[edgy hazel]

Where is the satisfaction from manualing sbs anymore? You just keep her on auto like a2? How boring

[vivid totem]

Wanna get her b40

[rustic rivet]

Mod isnt in Lit Noir anymore

That spot is taken

By Alice Oscar

[vivid totem]

I like Mod still

[jade prawn]

Bro thinks raid is the only thing that exists

[vivid totem]

Good ol reliable

[rustic rivet]

Mod is still used in campaign

But thats it

[jade prawn]

Bro thinks union raids don't exist

[rustic rivet]

Shes dying in raid and is falling

[jade prawn]

[rustic rivet]

Shes in team 4 or 5 rn

[spring leaf]

[jade prawn]

Needs one fire boss to become team 0

[vivid totem]

Oh banners are not even up

Hmm weird

[spring leaf]

they only go up on the new year

[valid flume]

xmidca banner still up

[vivid totem]

Oh I stayed awake for nothing

Gotta hold back gacha itch

[rustic rivet]

@jade prawn is this Challenge's Material H

Intercept turrets?

Lmao

[jade prawn]

Idk

[mortal pendant]

Ok so I tested new scarlet in nikkepedia and unless I'm tripping she has no animation delays in her attacks like A2 soooooooo we could get full potential scarlet and her not being held back by animation delays

Which would be sick AF

[rustic rivet]

There is

230ms

[mortal pendant]

So it's more like .5 per attack

Not .3

But yah that doesn't seem anywhere near as big as A2

That sht is a full second

[rustic rivet]

A2 is 420ms

[mortal pendant]

*Half a second

[rustic rivet]

On Mode B

[mortal pendant]

Is what I meant

[mortal pendant]

I'm happy it's not as bad as people theorized based on the preview

Some people had it to .7

Seems like it'll be .5

Which isn't too bad imo

[rustic rivet]

Oscar range is 50

Laplace is 500

A2 is 750

Yes

No shit

[mortal pendant]

Can't wait to see A2 and scarlet Duke it out on testing

[jade prawn]

Oscar

[mortal pendant]

I'll do 2 x10s by default and then wait to see testing on whether or not I should ticket

Only have 1 pity rn

Can't use it willy nilly

[jade prawn]

If she's here

[rustic rivet]

She is > RH

[jade prawn]

Is she in shooting range

[mortal pendant]

Bro already???

No way

I think I saw a sky vid saying she was 1.5x stronger

[valid flume]

if she was u prolly see bazillion pic of dps ss now

[rigid gale]

this character feels gross to play

[mortal pendant]

Lol

Utsu got that early access

[toxic jewel]

so...

how is her firerate?

[teal harness]

no

[toxic jewel]

is it not 1.5/s anymore?

[mortal pendant]

Nah apparently it's more like .5

[valid flume]

wow sbs got a mini event

downbad

[mortal pendant]

Yup lol

[toxic jewel]

so 2/s?

[mortal pendant]

I think it'll be good

[rustic rivet]

The problem is

[mortal pendant]

I think from charge to actual shoot combined is .5

[rustic rivet]

U can pair her with Alice

For -0.15

[rigid gale]

scarlet getting a mini event is crazy

[mortal pendant]

I mean fair enough I wanna know how she went from that to drunk lmfao

[vivid totem]

Wait so is she meta breaking or just another nice Nikke to have

[mortal pendant]

Early numbers show she better than red hood soooo

Yah lol

[toxic jewel]

didn't someone say charge speed buff is not good? cuz she has only 0.3s charge so even 20% it will only be 0.04 reduced (0.26)

??

[vivid totem]

Why does this happen every month

[rustic rivet]

Charge speed buff is not good, except for Alice's

[mortal pendant]

Red hood ain't been buffed for more than a month and scarlet already better

[valid flume]

she is alright, game breaking is only rh, mod, bunnies, tianaga

[rustic rivet]

But when she is drunk, she wipes the screen

[toxic jewel]

but 20% is only 0.04 reduced, Alice's is 11% shouldn't it be around 0.02 or sum?

[rustic rivet]

No, Oscar is game breaking lol

[mortal pendant]

If it's true I think they learned their lesson to never drop a bad pilgrim ever again

[rustic rivet]

Wdym?

She is stronger than RH

[mortal pendant]

Or rather a busted one

[vivid totem]

Having OP unit after another is such a turn off… I am not saying I will quit but right now if I ever do, this is gonna be one of the biggest reasons…

[valid flume]

wdym game breaking, its only break u out of top 50 if u dont spend your hoarded rocks on her

[mortal pendant]

I mean these are pilgrims we are talking about so lol

[rigid gale]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[rustic rivet]

Give me pilgrim armor first u fpos

[valid flume]

she doesnt even have ol priority over other attackers

[mortal pendant]

I just got a Pilgrim armor before maint actually

[valid flume]

[rustic rivet]

OL priority yes

Unit priority no

[vivid totem]

Would be nice to just chill with the excessive OP units… in fact I like when they collab and even if the collabs aren’t the most OP, it makes the game fun for me. But I know the licensing issues is much…

[mortal pendant]

But bro if she really is better than red hood ALREADY I'm about to be so dead

[rustic rivet]

Yeah better

[rigid gale]

something tells me you still have the game installed

[sturdy lion]

Do we have skill scaling yet? 👀

[rustic rivet]

RH wins when there is significant pierce, and loses considerably when there is no core.

[jade prawn]

Well it's still not 100% sure yet

[mortal pendant]

Holy hell they learned to never not drop a busted pilgrim ever again

[rustic rivet]

Which means Oscar is versatile.

[halcyon silo]

tbf theres basically no bosses with no core + no part pierce

[rustic rivet]

Her damage is not reliant on core hits.

[halcyon silo]

even 1 part pierce is equiv to core

[rustic rivet]

Harvester: WHY DO YOU HAVE TO CUT ME OFF

[halcyon silo]

he has legs

[jade prawn]

Yeah he's the only one

[halcyon silo]

u pierce legs

[jade prawn]

And range bonus

[sturdy lion]

Union Raid has bosses where pierce is meh, too

[rustic rivet]

Say that to Modernia when the wings and core are gone.

[halcyon silo]

she teleports to respawn them

[rustic rivet]

Not in Raids.

[mortal pendant]

We've only had two godlike units and they have both been pilgrims, units that are supposed to be really good I'm not gonna worry about power creep just yet lol

[junior spear]

How tho?

[halcyon silo]

i actually dont remember the time table for modernia solo raid

[jade prawn]

She does respawn parts in raids

[agile bone]

If scarlet is better than RH, its actually worrisome. Powercreep is too strong

[rustic rivet]

Raids have squishy ah parts anyway.

[rustic rivet]

Not immediately.

[wooden turret]

This is crucial research data for scarlet:

[jade prawn]

UR modernia was still the hardest boss known to man

[rustic rivet]

Which gives Oscar advantage.

Look at MatH. You can't pierce there.

[twilit peak]

very crucial indeed

[rustic rivet]

And I doubt core will be there all the time.

[vivid totem]

I kinda get pilgrims are stronger but it just annoys me how inconsiderate they are to players that have invested much into what seemed to be best unit ingame (RH) only to be dethroned next month

[toxic jewel]

is this miscalculated? cuz 11.67% (Alice's S1 lv.10) of 0.3 is only 0.04 how is it -0.15??

[mortal pendant]

Dude it's been only two units, both of which are pilgrims, if there are more after this then you have a problem but rn I'm not tripping

[vivid totem]

It’s just like when is enough?

[junior spear]

People keep saying this but doesn't elaborate

[rustic rivet]

0.3s - (11.67% * 1.5s)

[wooden turret]

Caster charge speed

[valid flume]

did you see the valley of death traveler?

[sturdy lion]

It's Alice's charge speed

You don't stick her modifier directly on other Nikkes

[jade prawn]

Bro it's not 1.5× better

It's like
1.1 or 1.2×

[rustic rivet]

Yeah that guy is misleading them

[rigid gale]

people baby raging a bit too hard ngl

[rustic rivet]

[jade prawn]

Don't fucking

[twilit peak]

btw kise
the oscar shot after charge is not automatically release unless we release the mouse is basically the mechanic or?
I thought it is automatically released (coz I dont have A2 so I dont know mechanic of sword rl)