[Scarlet: Black Shadow] New Unit Megathread

[stark ravine]

Modernia rerun btw

[rustic rivet]

pascal is SG

SG but shoots rockets

[wicked marten]

Oh

[stark ravine]

that hit f2p a lot if they don't have Modernia

[jolly cypress]

After Oscar we got duos

[hidden sand]

I got 31k gems and 60 tickets ready 400 gold mileage

New scarlet is mine

[wicked marten]

Isnt it good for people to have the option if they want to?

[hidden sand]

[pallid ingot]

I have 1k gems and 200 mileage

[wicked marten]

I think i will gold ticket scarlet and save the rest

[pallid ingot]

I might swipe

[dark hawk]

Could it be possible for scar alter?

[craggy osprey]

wdym

[pallid ingot]

For her wallpaper atleast LOL

[rustic rivet]

Elysion duos are coming btw

[vague crown]

Hope you prepared some heavy metal songs before pulling

[rustic rivet]

I rmb seeing

I rmb seeing double banner

in kr sheet

soon

[jolly cypress]

Who

[rustic rivet]

i forgot

[jolly cypress]

I hope it's duo mommy

[rustic rivet]

Rei's squad?

I think Rei's squad

[stark ravine]

yeah

[rustic rivet]

wait

[stark ravine]

wait...

[jolly cypress]

We're lacking a good nikke hag

[rustic rivet]

are they elysions?

[stark ravine]

they are Missilis

nope

[rustic rivet]

hmm

[stark ravine]

they are Missilis, as the school is funded by the brat

[rustic rivet]

Zwei and Eins are elysions tho?

[stark ravine]

[rustic rivet]

or did they remove them

[mental totem]

It's safe to say to go all out in Scarlet knowing that

[stark ravine]

i'm not so sure xD

[pallid ingot]

I feel like

[foggy atlas]

I think it's Elysion teachers, Missils students?

[pallid ingot]

They gonna make the next duo a burst one and three

They all have variance to them being a duo

[mental totem]

What's the odd for SU to release another duo meta https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1180509034831421501.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[jolly cypress]

yes please, we need the school principals and more teachers

[open sundial]

SU out-mindgamed you and is releasing a trio meta

[mental totem]

Nahh

That's wet dream

[dark hawk]

Imagine survive as f2p in gacha games

[potent stag]

we are trying

[pallid ingot]

A trio of units sounds nasty asf like 🥴

[mental totem]

Besides you more likely to get spooked by non pilgrim in regular banner

Not going all out for Scalter after she is proven to be meta is straight up a dumb move

UNLESS you got a thing for Ein and Zwei

Which is kinda concerning

[potent stag]

I have 220 gold and 42k gems rn, I can't get 2 pities

[mental totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1180509034831421501.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[potent stag]

I hope I can get one of them on pulls

f2p is this

[dark hawk]

Welcome to gacha hell

[potent stag]

6600 goes to step up banner too

for my 2nd half bunnies

[stark ravine]

Well, my concern of Shiftup release meta after meta, that it could become a practice, like in other gacha games

[potent stag]

nah

[rigid gale]

You can see the interval isn't necessarily exact for every shot in the gameplay video so idk why are people treating it as if what was in the video is indicating any delay lol

[potent stag]

tover and midca still exists

[dark hawk]

F2p can survive just if they don't play meta

[potent stag]

and mod is a rerun

[rigid gale]

Its best to just wait when it comes to discussing delay you really cant tell when noone can even test it

[open sundial]

I see plenty of signs of ShiftUp trying hard to minimize unintentional power creep

[stark ravine]

Tove is meta based on @rustic rivet opinion

[open sundial]

Red Hood was originally weaker than she is now

[rustic rivet]

sub meta

not meta

[potent stag]

until they break sg teams with a cdr healer dps b3

no

[open sundial]

Bunnies and Tia & Naga are strong but are “duo-bound”

[dark hawk]

Imagine people who pulled for tove

[stark ravine]

see, it have "meta" word

[dark hawk]

[stark ravine]

[rustic rivet]

but if there is a new SG DPS, Tove will enter meta

[open sundial]

W.Ludmilla was a pretty good balancing act there

[rigid gale]

Doesn't matter. Any attempts will be more trouble than its worth

Give it a year or so and it will be rendered irrelevant

[tranquil portal]

the copium talk start again

[dark hawk]

And guys

[potent stag]

I feel like they are looking at the macro alice for the dps roof

[foggy atlas]

XLud is just "I am damage"

[dark hawk]

Solo raid in one week

[rustic rivet]

poewrcreep is bound to happen

[potent stag]

on new nikkes

[dark hawk]

[rustic rivet]

?

Ask Austin

lol

[rigid gale]

Powercreep is a cold inevitability people really need to get over lmao

[rustic rivet]

he is ready to invest in Tove if there is new SG DPS

[open sundial]

It will, but considering the passage of 1 year for the current amount of creep.. not too bad. They might make it to 3 years before it breaks to the extent that Modernia and Alice becomes obsolete

[tranquil portal]

as i am

[vague crown]

Yep, it's too soon for that when we just finished chatterbox solo raid

[rustic rivet]

and?

[tranquil portal]

just got Tove from friendship pull

[sturdy lion]

Except that powercreep right now could be easily avoided by not making every Pilgrim that comes out a DPS unit

[rustic rivet]

it snot copium

they will eventually have to release one

lol

[dark hawk]

Imagine solo raid every 15 days

[vague crown]

[tranquil portal]

i'll say it's copium until we get SG dps unit

[potent stag]

I would take it tbh

[rustic rivet]

like Liberalio iS G

[dark hawk]

Liberalio rl

[chrome rapids]

[dark hawk]

[halcyon silo]

part of the problem is fire rate is very core to how much damage we can expect

a2 with/without delay is miles appart

[rigid gale]

If the meta stays stale too long it just pisses people off especially when it becomes blatant they're gimping potentially fun kits because of pussy-footing their design philosophy

[potent stag]

we will see it in like what

12 hours

[open sundial]

Tove meta is dead Now with Shadow we have too many good B3s, you’d have to willingly give up an otherwise good squad to focus on shotguns

[potent stag]

we had someone with 900ish dmg on cb solo raid with cope ass sg team

its not that far off

[open sundial]

Things like dropping Snow White squad in order to use Tove squad, that kind of issue

[vague crown]

With A2's burst, she has no delay, hence why she is a super useful RL unit, even after the 15 seconds of her burst

[potent stag]

they really need just 1 good sg dps

[rigid gale]

Like I said we'll just have to see when we can play for ourselves. I dont think staring at intern gameplay and talking about it will really change much lol

[halcyon silo]

theres definately still a delay with burst

its just not as long as withotu burst

[dark hawk]

And what about your personal DMG with sg in SR?

[tranquil portal]

we have 0 good smg dps too

[rigid gale]

Cause they gimped smgs and never buffed them

[open sundial]

D staring at you while sharpening her hatchet

[potent stag]

0, imagine using sg. That man was a cook no cap

[dark hawk]

But it was 900k whale or normal player?

[dark hawk]

It is very important

[rigid gale]

There will probably never be a good smg unit unless they completely overload the kit with multipliers or on-hit effects

The gun type itself just sucks

[potent stag]

thats his team, not bad for a sg team ong

[valid flume]

so how much of a scar this SBS is , 80%? how about comparing to A2

[dark hawk]

Ye a whale

[potent stag]

sea player

[dark hawk]

[vague crown]

Even when I have one OL slot with charge speed without burst, it still has delay, but with burst, it's not as bad

[open sundial]

I think right now everyone’s confused and uncertain

[dark hawk]

Now for normal human sg sucks for now

[open sundial]

So probably no point trying to set a Scarlet degree % yet

Unless they’re going to give several for what-ifs

0.3s charge no delay

0.3s charge with 0.3s delay

[valid flume]

i thought these dudes cook fake kits all days now a real kit makes them confused? cant be

[open sundial]

0.3s with -0.15s off from Alice full burst

[dark hawk]

Scar alter replacing mod in SR with Alice and bunnies?

[potent stag]

mod is back to priv

[frigid arrow]

People saying current Scarlet can't be stronger haven't heard of drunken masters

[dark hawk]

Guys, Who is the boss in next SR?

[potent stag]

matH

[open sundial]

Wasn’t it Material H

[frigid arrow]

MatH

[dark hawk]

[frigid arrow]

[vague crown]

The purple one or the iron one?

[dark hawk]

1b 3%

[open sundial]

That thing with the adds you can’t AoE burst

[dark hawk]

Easy

[vague crown]

Oh nooo, even after I finally beat that annoying fucking boss in ch 12 hard mode

[open sundial]

Oh it’s not the old Material H

[vague crown]

It's legitimately the most annoying boss

[open sundial]

It’s Rebuild Material H

[potent stag]

I hope they fix math bug

[vague crown]

Oh ok

[potent stag]

before they ship it

[open sundial]

So less annoying, fortunately

Still annoying

[vague crown]

Ok that's fair at least

[dark hawk]

40 runs for team, 5-6 hours r u ready?

[potent stag]

imagine the resets due to aim bug

add another 50 runs

[vague crown]

The longest I dealt with is about 3 hours

3 hours straight

[dark hawk]

[potent stag]

just do 1 team per day

[open sundial]

You are evil

I think there was someone who went 2 days before realizing the problem

[dark hawk]

Well, maybe with 1b you are in 3%

[vague crown]

Time to hopefully clutch myself to less than 3% like with what I did in chatterbox solo raid

[dark hawk]

Another annoying boss

Chattybox

But matH holy crap

[vague crown]

It was kinda annoying, mostly with my 2nd build to get the dmg I wanted

[toxic jewel]

I think there's a possibility that Scarlet doesn't have charge delay but like 20% sure tho
like look at this, we can't spam charge it will stuck on delay right? but on Scarlet trailer there's a part in testing shot that he spam it and it doesn't delay

[vague crown]

But yeah mat H

[toxic jewel]

and now look at Scarlet (it's a double shot?)

Maybe the tester was holding her shot? on the shooting range

just speculation tho

[rigid gale]

Yes lets power creep liter and bunnies instead

Never heard of a game where supports units also powercreep the game

https://tenor.com/view/herrscher-of-sentience-gif-21993872

[serene sparrow]

the real question is what is her effective burst gen? it's probably slightly better than pascal

[obsidian elm]

yeah, that's what i was thinking

during the firing view part, she swings really fast, no delay

but when it comes to the firing range, all of a sudden, delay

was it bad manualing for the latter, did the fast swinging with no apparent delay happen because she somehow fired with under 150% charge?

[tranquil portal]

where is mr snake pinned message

[obsidian elm]

i really want her released to get some concrete info.

[wooden bramble]

how does scarlet blacked skill 1 work? does it stay on phase 3 after 9 attacks?

and just do phase 3 version thereafter

[obsidian elm]

counter does not reset unless it's activated at an odd number of swings, i think

but if you look at the trailer

you can see scarlet full charge 8 times

burst

and then the next hit does the full screen hit (9 hits)

then it restarts to the 1 - 2 - 3 hit cycle her s1 has under burst.

[wooden bramble]

so hits 9,10,11 etc all do the 750 damage?

[obsidian elm]

... no.

[wooden bramble]

dude that sucks then

[obsidian elm]

in the trailer, she hits 8 times, burst, hit 9 does full screen hit

[wooden bramble]

so assuming no burst, it does the750% on hit 9, 18,27 etc?

[obsidian elm]

hit 10 does the bonus dmg to low def enemy, hit 11 does AoE, hit 12 does full screen (1, 2, 3)

... yes.

but with how fast she fires, it's frankly still good, lol

[wooden bramble]

how the fk does the timing work when u factor in the burst then?

[halcyon silo]

it should alternate from how i understand it

[wooden bramble]

say u are at hit 5 then u burst

[toxic jewel]

It should work like this

[wooden bramble]

does it reset to 1?

[halcyon silo]

nobody knows

[obsidian elm]

we don't really know what happens when she bursts at an uneven number

stop asking

[halcyon silo]

stay tuned for release when we can find out the super minute details

[toxic jewel]

Yeah that what people here have been wondering too ¯_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯

[obsidian elm]

the only thing we saw was the instance i pointed out

[halcyon silo]

realistically ur just going to burst and not care

and itll do dmg

[wooden bramble]

i think shes gonna be trash

[obsidian elm]

hit 8, then bursts, then hit 9 behaves like s1 part 3

[wooden bramble]

prob stack charge speed then

[obsidian elm]

and then the next three consecutive hits do s1 part 1, 2 and 3, respectively.

[wooden bramble]

because if u can cycle through the phases faster u get more 750% damage

[obsidian elm]

legitimately how, when most units have lots of 'fire x times to deal bonus dmg'

but way slower than she does

take drake. she needs to shoot 10 times to deal bonus dmg to 3 enemies near the shot.

scarlet gets a effect on hit 3, 6, 9 on a cycle

and the number of hits is thirded under burst. drake doesn't have that.

[wooden bramble]

yeah well drake has been powercrept

long ago

[obsidian elm]

but the point stands

scarlet has more to proc and sooner than most.

actually, sooner than everyone. the only thing i can think of that comes asap is vesti, lmao

[vestal kettle]

Sanis

[summer iron]

So? Shes a pilgrim lol

[obsidian elm]

when vesti releases a fully charged rocket, she gets bigger AoE.

only one rocket required to do that

laplace has to fired like 6 fully charged shots to get bigger AoE, lmao

[sturdy lion]

Laplace does too

[sturdy lion]

???

She gets increasingly large AoE each shot

[obsidian elm]

oh, my bad

and she has to do it 5 times for a max AoE increase

basically the same thing.

laplace has to fire full charge 5 times to get an increased AoE of +15.5% at max rank s1

vesti just has to fire one full charge rocket to get a 15% increase

lol

[summer iron]

Shiny new pilgrim has crazy effects that surpasses mid tier units

[sturdy lion]

But Laplace has better radius at lower levels

[obsidian elm]

missing the point

[sturdy lion]

People who have level 10 S1 on Laplace and Vesti are rare creatures

[obsidian elm]

vesti has the max effect sooner and faster.

all it takes is one max charge rocket fired.

[sturdy lion]

Rapunzel heals people every shot

Noah taunts every shot

Noise has a chance to taunt every shot

[obsidian elm]

i missed the part where those are DPS contributing effects.

but okay.

[sturdy lion]

You didn't say DPS contributing effects

[obsidian elm]

fair, but i thought it was implied, since my first thought went to drake, then vesti and then laplace.

all four dmg dealers.

well, w/e.

[sturdy lion]

I consider Drake a buffer

[vestal kettle]

Noise also 100% taunt

[sturdy lion]

cuz her damage isn't good enough to be a damage dealer on most bosses

[sturdy lion]

Is it? For some reason I thought it was a % chance

oops

[vestal kettle]

what with this comprasion?

[obsidian elm]

i was coping to use her with tove to proc her s2 faster, which makes sense

but yeah, tove would prefer an OP shotgunner

[sturdy lion]

It's not a stack tho

[wooden bramble]

so i want reload cube + privaty with her? or build max ammo?

[obsidian elm]

we don't really know for sure.

[sturdy lion]

That would be the same logic as pushing Vesti/Isabel/2B to higher ult numbers with Tove

[obsidian elm]

max ammo probably makes the most sense.

[vestal kettle]

You just need 50% ammo line + bastion if s2 lvl10

[wooden bramble]

why? ^

[obsidian elm]

so that during burst, she can perform s1s more often without reloading.

[vestal kettle]

More if she work with alice, 2 ammo at most

For shooting non stop during burst

[obsidian elm]

the working theory some people are having is that with tons of charge spd from allied nikkes

[sturdy lion]

If she has no delay, she needs to be able to fire 30 rounds during full burst, no?

[obsidian elm]

her 0.3s charge time will become massively reduced

[wooden bramble]

i think charge speed is also the way to go

[obsidian elm]

that during burst means she should be able to proc s1 part 3 a ton during burst

but that's the thing, we're unsure if she has a backswing delay like A2, it's not super clear from the twitter video posted

[wooden bramble]

then u can just use reload cube and privaty, and go for attack elemental and charge speed lines

[sturdy lion]

I don't Charge Speed will be of much use

[obsidian elm]

because in the view mode, she appears to fire without any sort of delay at all (though that's also uncharged shots, apparently). and then during the firing range part, she does, but it's likely bad manual

[sturdy lion]

The smaller the base Charge Speed, the less cost effective it is

[halcyon silo]

it doesnt look like bad manual now that i look at it closer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036760639709921422/1189599733933686854/image.png?ex=659ec016&is=658c4b16&hm=284793a137ee09186515f7117d31b27115fbba4fcf53a31b6c212b92412fd88c&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036760639709921422/1189599734344732853/image.png?ex=659ec016&is=658c4b16&hm=bb606a4da8f75b27bd96a5cad2121b62bbfeb971f9299f37fe0e4464c1019c4b&

normal rockets dont hold charge % when ur in animation

[obsidian elm]

yeah, that's what i pointed out to someone at prydwyn

[halcyon silo]

sry 1 frame too far ahead

[obsidian elm]

but then he was like 'oh, that's weak proof of delay'

lmao

i went through the YT version of it in slowmo

i should've gotten a better gif

cuz you can't see scarlet swing at all in the gif i made

https://i.imgur.com/rDfRKZr.gif

[halcyon silo]

we're certain this 131

is when he let go

because it physically cant shoot otherwise

[obsidian elm]

you can see her twitch a little before the swing comes out

[halcyon silo]

and it would keep ticking up

[obsidian elm]

and yeah, it sticks to 150%

[halcyon silo]

so theres nothing that can be said about "holding too long"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067556329843069041/1189596170281046067/image.png?ex=659ebcc4&is=658c47c4&hm=202a31acb179a911a8c86b8de797f74c1016c881886b512644627650c1943a10&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067556329843069041/1189596170595602452/image.png?ex=659ebcc4&is=658c47c4&hm=a86929573d609832ff7a9bd725a1d81c07e1158ec82678ba611bb79edb62daf1&

normal RL drops immediately

[obsidian elm]

yeah

also pointed that out

it's definitely like a much faster version of A2

https://i.imgur.com/MfmI1sA.gif

where the full charge meter sticks around til the swing comes out

it's most obvious with a2 when the swing's about to come out though, that spark happens right before the swing

[sturdy lion]

inb4 using sword characters as a test of how to fix snipers/RL

[obsidian elm]

for normal RLs, as soon as you fire, the RL charge meter resets to 100%

https://i.imgur.com/lhOUkq9.gif

for both of these gifs, i just let it auto

something else to note is that you can also kinda see vesti retreat a little per shot to attempt to reload/take cover, but because she still had ammo in the mag, she immediately performs a charge. this happens by default with auto RL/Snipers, which is why people recommend manualing alice during her burst.

A2 does NOT have this happen and neither did scarlet in the yt/twitter footage

So yeah, I'd bet there is a delay for scarlet, just a lot shorter than A2's for obvious reason.

both A2 and scarlet, as soon as they release a swing, rather than attempt to reload, they immediately go for another swing if left on auto.

[serene sparrow]

speaking of shotguns, will s2 max ammo increase stack between bursts like Sugar? Not that it matters much, just the case if you use Vesti/Isabel

[obsidian elm]

ammo increases/decreases work independently from one another and all are calculated and then added together. (additive, not multiplicative)

something to note is that ammo increases from OL lines are not taken into consideration for mag size up/down effects, which is why it's important for last bullet nikkes to not have ammo up OL lines

only base mag is taken into consideration.

[craggy osprey]

That's good or bad?

[obsidian elm]

neither, just a mechanic that either have because of their unique weapon.

[craggy osprey]

This delay might be the only reason scarlet doesn't become good

[foggy atlas]

Even assuming a 1s attack rate, Scarlet Black will be a top dps

[obsidian elm]

something to note is that they have advantages over other RLs to compensate for the swing they have to do that locks them in animation

their 'rockets' travel way faster

[foggy atlas]

In fact if she's faster than 1s she gets kind of crazy.

[obsidian elm]

it's also better for auto because there's technically no downtime. if you auto a RL/sniper, they always do a little retreat in an attempt to reload before resuming to fire

it's just how they work

but A2 and scarlet don't, they just go from one attack to the next without doing that little reload attempt all other charge characters have

granted, this is just incredibly sweaty, lmao

[autumn igloo]

Good the thread has been created

[obsidian elm]

but it's worth pointing out for this ch.

since it is the 'research' thread.

[autumn igloo]

I didn't check yet her kit

[obsidian elm]

it's the first thing posted here.

but yeah, it's worth pointing out cuz for someone like alice, playing her manual during burst does result in a DPS up since that reload attempt she does is reduced, so you get to pull off more shots.

[autumn igloo]

@gloomy fog finally she is a B3

[obsidian elm]

but again, it's just very sweaty. only tryhards gotta concern themselves with that

yeah, burst 3 pilgrim attacker to the surprise of no one.

🙂

when people are already lacking pilgrim attacker gear

[autumn igloo]

I am a big A2 believer in campaign

[obsidian elm]

i can get her 3/4

[autumn igloo]

So let's see if she will be very OP in campaign

[lethal sky]

Guys tldr ? How many mortgages?

[autumn igloo]

yes this is nonsense in this game

[wicked marten]

Sell your house right now, shes worth it

[obsidian elm]

yeah, with abnormal gear being dead weight for most

they really should introduced some manufacturer converter in the future.

[foggy atlas]

Projection is #1 dps without pierce shenanigans.

[autumn igloo]

I still didn't full equip RH and I am not talking about Modernia and Scarlet which have 0 pilgrim gears

[lethal sky]

So 3rd dps after rh and alice

On par mod?

[foggy atlas]

Better than Mod. Unknown if she will be better than Mod for wave clearing but there's a hype man for it

[obsidian elm]

yeah, Mod just makes it rain during burst while scarlet during burst only has major AoE during hits 2 and 3 on loop

her skill placard hints at her having small AoE, but since dmg numbers didn't show during the yt/twitter footage

[wicked marten]

Salt gang rise up

[obsidian elm]

it's not possible to determine how big or small her default AoE is.

[sturdy lion]

"major" AoE on hits 2 is questionable

We don't know her splash yet

[wicked marten]

Only thing that im unsure about her in campaign is her aoe is distributed damage, so its ok but not insane

[obsidian elm]

yeah

https://i.imgur.com/nPfJi0A.png

the fact that this is specified on the placard makes me think her default AoE is small

but again, since dmg numbers were purposely not shown on the yt/twitter footage

it's actually not possible to know without her being released

[valid flume]

if somehow the aoe is enough for the small raptures and take team to the boss, the distributed damage on boss going to be huge

[obsidian elm]

since unlike RL rockets, there's no visual impact/explosion from her hits, just that sword swing

and the video legit only shows her attacking one unit the whole time

so it's more of a mystery til someone actually tests her out on the field

[wicked marten]

Thats actually really true i didnt consider it

I was mostly thinking of the third part of the skill about all enemies

But yeah the second part could be really good for campaign

[obsidian elm]

yeah, i also said similar things

like, yeah, it sucks it's distributed dmg, but since she swings so fast, she'll be able to do it repeatedly and finish off lots of enemies/weaken enemies for people to manual and get rid of the weakened enemies so that her next s1 part 3 is stronger

a notable advantage of distributed dmg is that it ignores defenses

which is why 2B and dorothy can just instantly wipe the normal enemies mother whale releases even during the def buff

a notable way to get rid of the shield once it's already cast.

of course, the ideal thing to do is still to full clear all the little mobs before the def buff is cast, but oh well, lol

[gloomy fog]

Yeah I know. Gotta keep hoping for a 20s pilgrim b2

[halcyon silo]

iirc this isnt exactly true

it uses the defense of the target it selected instead of everyone else's

for example 2b+novel in shooting range if u wait for novel to pop on boss spreads novel's debuff dmg across all the raptures

and only calculates from the boss's defense

so if for some reason it targeted a high def mob it would spread high def across that hit

which would align with doro since if she picks whale as target(when it doesnt have shield) and then spreads to adds (50hp)

[obsidian elm]

ahhh, that explains a lot.

i found with 2B it was inconsistent, but doro, as long as she targeted mother whale, the adds would insta die

[obsidian elm]

get to grinding

[toxic jewel]

What's mother whale element weakness?

[gloomy fog]

3 months of grinding is just pain

[obsidian elm]

electricity

however, the shield only pops up after a delay when she summons her first set of mobs, and she never attempts to recast it

so if you manage to get rid of them all with a unit like scarlet, harran or any full screen AoE, you can get rid of her shield, no weakness to pierce the shield required (to get rid of the core to stop the buff altogether, the intended thing to do)

[lethal sky]

Hmmmmm got 50% cooked

I guess we need alice

For that 58% cs buff

[obsidian elm]

yeah, people want to find out how much of a difference it'll make when she's finally out

[lethal sky]

Was hoping having some elemental buffs

[obsidian elm]

keep in mind that because her default charge time is 0.3s, charge spd will have lower returns, but i mean, 50% charge spd still does mean she goes down to like 0.15s

[lethal sky]

On ult

[obsidian elm]

even with the swing delay

should be firing so much

[lethal sky]

Yea

She is good at swing, we practiced a lot with my d swing

[halcyon silo]

tbh im getting really weird values when looking at this

[toxic jewel]

Iirc people says Dorothy's burst can clear that mob wave right? They said distributed dmg ignore def

[toxic jewel]

So scarlet should be able to do the same yes?

[halcyon silo]

.

it depends which target it picks

[toxic jewel]

Oh...

[halcyon silo]

dorothy burst is actually a little bit of an anomaly, her s2 and 2b's burst

are better refrence points

but from those 3 ss, thats from when the person let go of a shot 1467->when the shot hit(charge back to 0) 1481 and then back to 150% 1512

so that would theroetically be 13-14 frames of full charge being locked in ~.23333s

then 31frames out of 60fps of charging back to 150 ~.522222s

but then wheres my .3

[dark hawk]

[drowsy cedar]

Oh my

[halcyon silo]

from the number being locked at 131 we know it was let go at this point, her not going back into animation means shes charging asap

but y numbers no match

[lethal sky]

Hmmm

[obsidian elm]

yeah, it's so hard to tell from a youtube vid, lmaooo

we really need her out ASAP

just what happens when the way you work is an anomaly

[lethal sky]

In 8 hr isnt it

Utsu mf gonna pull mlb

[rigid gale]

Did you really just call her "scarlet blacked"?

[lethal sky]

For free again

[halcyon silo]

petition to keep name

[rigid gale]

I got no gems

[rigid gale]

People need to chill out.... Lmao

I prefer just Scarlet Black

[halcyon silo]

i mean this is the closest information we have and theres no human interaction in that entire clip

that we can tell

[dark hawk]

Imagine now SU decide to powercreep every month

[lethal sky]

Scarlet black edition

[dark hawk]

[lethal sky]

[halcyon silo]

i wonder if shes going to be free shooting range testable

or just nikkepedia

[lethal sky]

Nikkepedia

[halcyon silo]

[rigid gale]

You should frame count every single swing in that video

[halcyon silo]

i mean i can but this is for sure no extra hold time

[rigid gale]

Cause i swear i could tell there was a slight deviation near the end of the clip

[halcyon silo]

because its not full charge

like its physically impossible for him to hold 131% for 14 frames without having shot it

unless he broke the game

[rigid gale]

https://tenor.com/view/zamasu-dragon-ball-black-goku-gif-18156772

[halcyon silo]

but yea i dont want to touch nikkepedia tests on this with the click bans

cuz i would be changing how fast my clicks go to find the spot

[dark hawk]

Imagine being banned in nikkepedia

[rigid gale]

[dark hawk]

[halcyon silo]

getting banned in blabla was the funniest one i saw

[dark hawk]

[wooden bramble]

is that not her name?

[lethal sky]

Anything does under 20ms is a kick

[lethal sky]

Bruh

Its black shadow

Not blacked

[rigid gale]

Why are people already tryna doompost she does an aoe nuke every mag dump lmao

[lethal sky]

[mossy apex]

legalization of nuclear bombs

[wooden bramble]

whats the difference?

[rigid gale]

When you fall for bait

[vestal kettle]

she will available in shooting range test after maint or we need to wait till her banner drop?

[mossy apex]

L

took you 3 times

[vestal kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-penguins-of-madagascar-madagascar-movies-animation-cartoons-gif-16596826

[halcyon silo]

idk theres like a sweet spot

because u can magically press 1 at 1ms per press and it works

or click way too fast taht u dont shoot

but if u click at the right times

[rigid gale]

Anyway whats the general consensus from the hyperactive nerds in here?

Sky says shes good af

[lethal sky]

????

[halcyon silo]

shes a wind dps that does dmg

good enough for me to pull a copy

[lethal sky]

Maybe i just missed the joke

[rigid gale]

Blacked is an nsfw term

[lethal sky]

Mlb for me

[lethal sky]

I know

[rigid gale]

He knows its not called blacked lmao

[mossy apex]

the trolling

[lethal sky]

I just fail to see the joke i guess

[rigid gale]

Are elements really that important outside of raids lol

[lethal sky]

Yea

On hard chapter

Or towers

Quite relevant

[rigid gale]

I thought people just picked a generalist team for hard chapter

Thought it was pretty standardized

[halcyon silo]

yes, element has actually pushed people under cp

[tranquil portal]

with more and more dps in the pool, ele advantage is becoming more and more relevant

in raid at least

[halcyon silo]

like when we were in fire weak with alice+mod

we were pushing hard

[lethal sky]

We going into elements if you want -35%+ cp pass

[rigid gale]

Well raid obviously

[halcyon silo]

no even campaign

the dmg boost is pretty good

[lethal sky]

Yea

[eager summit]

Just wait for that giga-wind support that makes your Jetstream Scarlet do 5.78 morbilion dmg per shot

[halcyon silo]

its not enough to like completely gimp urself from meta units but if u have 2 meta units

[rigid gale]

Surely

[halcyon silo]

like alice vs rh

[rigid gale]

Year 4 support pilgrim

[lethal sky]

The element will give you enough time to kill a mob before it kills you

[halcyon silo]

correct element will win in campaign pretty hard

[tranquil portal]

but then you gotta invest in them, otherwise cp deficit gonna null those advantages

[halcyon silo]

esp with ele rolls

[eager summit]

Support? Nah it will be an attacker

[crude drift]

Nah I'd Attack

[crude drift]

distributed damage

[autumn igloo]

I will wait to discover more about the story of Scarlet and her sister but I guess it's a teasing to release her later maybe

[obsidian elm]

nah, she dead, lol

[lethal sky]

I am just guessing from the pv

[eager summit]

Either way

Skill issue Fr Fr

[lethal sky]

||She got corrupted and killed herself||

[autumn igloo]

She seems indeed but let's see, a story can be updated easily if needed

[frigid arrow]

Bro

[stark ravine]

Lilith cracking her knuckles 😈

[frigid arrow]

There's a line for coping

[stark ravine]

One punch and Scarlet follow her

so much for not "let no one... control you..."

[rigid gale]

Her ninth swing isnt distributed wdym

Her 6th is

[obsidian elm]

it is

💀

[frigid arrow]

So will she be PvP meta?

[rigid gale]

Oh i missed that

[rigid gale]

Damn mid

[obsidian elm]

lol ya

[eager summit]

[rigid gale]

Cooked

[frigid arrow]

So made for bosses

[rigid gale]

Better luck next pilgrim ig

[serene sparrow]

how fast is her burst gen? 2x pascal, so about 80% of centi/anis/jackal?

[obsidian elm]

we don't know

[halcyon silo]

i dunno yet

will have to wait for the magic numbers

before i update my sheet

[obsidian elm]

stop asking stuff that necessitates the unit being released

[halcyon silo]

[obsidian elm]

no one can even universally agree on a delay being there, and how long it is.

[rigid gale]

Does she beat the game?

[halcyon silo]

she beats my gem wallet

does that count

[rigid gale]

No.

[serene sparrow]

crap unlike with red hood I only have 183 burst module 1 and 575 skill module 1

[rigid gale]

@signal flume its distrubuted damage

No screen wipe for you in story

Time to cry about not having scarlet again

[foggy iris]

[signal flume]

YUPPPPPPP

[rigid gale]

Hi lumi

[signal flume]

can we complain to shift up again?

[rigid gale]

Nope scarlet not as popular as red hood

[signal flume]

ask who the hell is shifting up these annoying ass gimmicks?

[rigid gale]

Just cope till next pilgrim

[foggy iris]

Hello

[rigid gale]

You got it bro

[signal flume]

aIN noWAYYYY

crazy

[rigid gale]

Shes good for like

Uhhhhh

Raids and bosses ig

Have fun with that

[foggy iris]

What about pvp?

[rigid gale]

We're talking about gameplay

[signal flume]

no.

[foggy iris]

[tight grotto]

Skimming and noticing that there's no hype for this one.

The sensation I get is a lot of 'meh'.

[rigid gale]

I have my red hood

Im satisfied

[tight grotto]

She's not limited, so I'm not stressed.

[eager summit]

Because there’s some things we don’t know that would be really nice to know

[tulip shard]

she can max ammo solo

not another bunnies slave

[pallid ingot]

Bunnies has a death grip

[tulip shard]

RL so no Naga Tia slaving

[pallid ingot]

Probably could throw her in reload team since I never built my scarlet

LOL

[tight grotto]

Sounds like T3 Raids.

[tulip shard]

we be missing quite a bit in terms of support for 5 teams man

[tulip shard]

i welcome anything that means SW can f off tbh

[willow walrus]

i need more cooking

[tulip shard]

and now the 3 main teams can have coverage of every element

[willow walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-hot-handsome-cook-hottie-gif-21594615

shiftup killing my wallet, one event after another. we got next to no break since anniversary

[pallid ingot]

After the first three teams I have no clear cut of what tf to put next

All the other units are like half god half bad

F2P ripping their hair out trying to even have a invested Snow White or Maxwell for other teams that idk if they even survive when the lack defensive capabilities

[warm dune]

have to wait for datamine

to see how long this a2-esque delay is

shitup strikes again

[rigid gale]

I mean its w/e

Nothing much else to expect

Im excited for pilgrim supports anyway

Crown when

[foggy atlas]

Would love a larger slew of supports but dps sells more.

[rigid gale]

Nah supports can definitely sell

Consider the only good ones we ever get are twins

Hell, they could even make hybrid supports that also can deal damage like every other gacha does. Dorothy was almost that

Just gotta wait for shift up to stop larping with gimmick kits

[obsidian elm]

yeah, biggest thing they can do is to not have horrible kits

poor quiry

i have a niche use for her to support both my 2B and A2 as a backup healer, since A2 in theory only has to burst once

but that's for solo raids, ofc

[halcyon silo]

i wonder if we're getting another skin vote in half ani

would be interesting to see new most popular

[obsidian elm]

scarlet was 2nd popular in the doki doki poll, but

with TWO scarlets to choose from

it'll dilute her vote pool and she'll lose

RH would probably win it, but idk, some unit could show up from now

[halcyon silo]

OG scarlet looking rough rn

ngl

washed up

[obsidian elm]

😡

[halcyon silo]

if scarlet black is better

actually washed up

[obsidian elm]

wdf, no

[halcyon silo]

fell off from past self

[wicked marten]

I dont think i even used og scarlet last raid

[obsidian elm]

regular scarlet is beautiful.

eh, i did, she was still built

i have so many unbuilt units

[halcyon silo]

i used guillo instead

[obsidian elm]

too few resources to go around

[wicked marten]

Shes built for me too but 2b did more damage

[obsidian elm]

i like using her with summer anis, because she still gives electric code allies exclusively huge reload spd and atk when it's burst time

and since my summer anis is 10/10/9, works good

[halcyon silo]

summer anis biscuit had 0 room

for anyone

i wanted to put guillo there but didnt fit

[obsidian elm]

yeah, it's fun to get as many electric code allies on a team with summer anis, her s1 buff is just ridiculous. it's better than privaty's s1 buff for the most part.

[halcyon silo]

i think my scar if this new unit is good

will be guillo sub unit

[obsidian elm]

i even considered trying to get exia into a team with summer anis, lol

[halcyon silo]

"i cant put guillo here cuz boss keeps aoeing her"

[obsidian elm]

scarlet doesn't really need to burst to deal dmg

so she typically tends to be my 3rd b3

during setups

[opaque gull]

what is the expectation around this unit?

[valid flume]

1.5 RH

[opaque gull]

?

[valid flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NBBBfFD3NQ

1.5 of RH

[foggy atlas]

Anis will faceroll

[obsidian elm]

how about Alice

[old maple]

alrighty then chatroom now that’s it’s been a good bit since her skills got shown

What are our general thoughts on scar

[sturdy lion]

We need datamine numbers

[tight grotto]

Smells a lot like 'meh'.

[warm dune]

scarmid mid shadow

[tight grotto]

Red Hood had a lot more hype than this. Even SmolWhite was more energized than this.

[old maple]

Righto

[sturdy lion]

lolwut

There's no way she won't be stronger than Smol White

[tight grotto]

I didn't say that

I said that SmolWhite's Research lab was more energized about her than folks are for Black Shadow Scarlet.

[sturdy lion]

Ahhh, the thread

Gotcha

[eager summit]

We don’t know how much burst this scarlet will generate

[sturdy lion]

Her being a completely unknown and free character helps

[foggy atlas]

The napkin math out atm is dubious but I imagine she's easily meta

[eager summit]

Some can’t agree if this scar has a delay between shots like A2 or how much this delay could be

[sturdy lion]

Yeah, meta is confirmed, but the question is how much

Team 1 or Team 5

At worst, she replaces A2

And considering our current roster for Wind DPS, the standard is low in that regard, too

[warm dune]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-gacha-mobile-game-kermit-gif-8751144

[sturdy lion]

I'm most curious about her skill scaling

But we need the datamine for that

[obsidian elm]

we need the actual unit

there is so much disagreement with how she works with her atk

[eager summit]

Like numbers wise she looks cracked

[sturdy lion]

Imagine if the number of hits to change phases was based on skill level

[obsidian elm]

no way

that would be soooo bad

[sturdy lion]

Level 1 : 10 hits for phase 1, 15 hits for phase 2, 20 hits for phase 3

[halcyon silo]

im struggling in gems and skill books too many op nikkes recently pls make more meh ones

[obsidian elm]

[sturdy lion]

10/10/10 required just to make us suffer more

[obsidian elm]

i'd reckon it's just dmg scaling

[sturdy lion]

I've actually been saving my skill mats fairly well

So I should be able to get her pretty high right at the start

Pilgrim T9Ms prepped, as well except boots

[obsidian elm]

tbf, for dps, boots is kinda whatever, but rip the OL lines

[sturdy lion]

Yeah, the OL lines are what are pain

but Pilgrim Attacker boots are a struggle

Red Hood still lacks 'em

[valid flume]

dont you have like

3 t9 selector

[obsidian elm]

doesn't t9 selector require swipe

[jade prawn]

Bro it's been a year

And no important message pinned yet

Ffs

[rustic rivet]

Ok

Found out

Thank you

Vid is using old test versions

[obsidian elm]

the yt/twitter vid?

[rustic rivet]

Yes

[obsidian elm]

well, that makes them useless to determine anything. guess we really need her released after all.

[rustic rivet]

Charge time is much longer than 0.3s

[warm dune]

isnt charge damage up 150% on her burst

equate to a 100% attack buff

[white python]

bro I need more pilgrim attacker

I only have RH with full gear

mod has gloves only

scar has gloves and boots

[vague crown]

I do have 2 full sets of the t9m gear for both scarlet and RH, still need more

[white python]

don’t complain if you have 2 full OLs tf

[vague crown]

Yeahh but there are pilgrims that are mostly attackers

[vale jolt]

I would say mica had a use now but... No she doesnt

Bitch attacks too fast

[sturdy lion]

Not wasting T9 Selector on Attacker boots

[valid flume]

this hoarder

[warm dune]

saving for nikke 3 fr

[valid flume]

might loose only to Kisenix hoard

[novel relic]

There isn’t really much to say. Most people just asked for a costume and the kit isn’t anything new or groundbreaking

Either she’ll swipe the screen and go team 1 for raid, or she’ll be an A2 replacement

[sturdy lion]

I only keep a goal of staying in the top 200, so I don't need to be that sweaty

[warm dune]

she is definitely viable

off the simple fact she's the only wind DPS

[sturdy lion]

Also, not sure I can be considered a hoarder when I have full OL on Smol White and 2/4 OL on Product 12

[warm dune]

and she benefits a lot from alice (55-58% charge speed)

[novel relic]

Epinel investors in shambles

[wooden bramble]

isnt it only like 11%?

[warm dune]

oh its actually 58.35% charge speed

alice s1 is caster's charge speed

alice charge speed is 1.5 seconds

1.5 * 11.67% = .17505 seconds

.17505/.3 = 58.35% for scarbs

[wooden bramble]

is that how it works?

[sturdy lion]

Yup

[warm dune]

for alice only

they ninja added it to tooltip 3 patches ago

we had a chance to riot and get skill resets

but cudnt get mobilized in time

😿

[eager summit]

Tragic

[wooden bramble]

so paired with alice scarlet basically doubles her shooting speed?

[warm dune]

no

double is 100%

58.35% is not 100% yet

wait

nvm

im dumb

[wooden bramble]

well no if its 100% isnt it 0 charge speed time?

[warm dune]

ur right

LMAO

more than double

well 100% charge speed still has a frame of cast time i believe

16.6ms (if u are on 60 FPS) and have 100% charge speed

[wooden bramble]

so if you pair with alice and then add in privaty with reload cube shes gonna be on roids?

[sturdy lion]

Practically zero for the purposes of anyone who isn't drenching in sweat

[wooden bramble]

during burst

[warm dune]

its looking more like she's paired with liter/noir

than privaty

[jade prawn]

I think you just need her to keep shooting during burst

1 shot per second: 10 ammo
0.5shot per second: 20 ammo

That's all you need, doesn't need noirlit or priv as a pair

[eager summit]

Solo Scar vs the world

[jade prawn]

Just maximizing damage during burst is enough

[sturdy lion]

Noir + Shadow for 2/3 of the best Wind DPS

[warm dune]

im aiming to not have to roll max ammo on scarbs

so i want her to just work in liter noir

[vapid junco]

isn't it easier to just stack reload speed to 100%

[jade prawn]

Scarbs has 9 base ammo

You need 2 ammo rolls dawg

[halcyon silo]

austin out here aiming to not have max ammo im here aiming to have better than hitrate+def rolls

[eager summit]

XRupee + Jetstream Scarlet

[warm dune]

charge damage is relatively good on her since her charge damage is 150%

[jade prawn]

Yeah but she has like 0 atk buffs on her

[warm dune]

im aiming for

4x max ammo, 4x att, 4x charge damage

[jade prawn]

Ele
Atk
Cd??

[sturdy lion]

If you can burst right before she runs out of ammo, you have 17 ammo naturally

[wooden bramble]

i thought increasing charge damage also increases charge time

[warm dune]

no

[halcyon silo]

nope

[eager summit]

I was thinking just going bog standered Atk/Ammo/Elem

[halcyon silo]

it can only increase if u get weird rounding frame errors, idk if its still a thing i think they ninja changed it

[jade prawn]

ACTUALLY
You only need one max ammo roll
Cuz scarlet has self ammo buff as well

[warm dune]

if we assume the alice + scarbs pair results in 3 shots per second, u need 30 shots in scarbs burst

[halcyon silo]

but it was like 1 frame diff at max

[valid flume]

IM AIMING FOR 4 DEF%

[jade prawn]

This is very safe

[valid flume]

reverse psychology

[sturdy lion]

Oh wait, yeah

[wooden bramble]

so basically what you want is for scarlet to NEVER reload during her burst right?

[warm dune]

yea

[jade prawn]

@warm dune so why can't scar black math be solved rn?
Where's the nerds

[vapid junco]

how

[eager summit]

Reload == EOS

[sturdy lion]

8 + 14 = 22 base rounds if you burst with one shot left

[jade prawn]

Everyone is dead/asleep

[warm dune]

need to know how much shots she shoots in burst, whcih depends if she has a2 delay

[halcyon silo]

isnt it solved? aside from the unknown charge time/delay

[jade prawn]

She does have A2 delay

[warm dune]

yea but how much

[wooden bramble]

i bet she does

[warm dune]

[sturdy lion]

Yeah, the exact amount is unknown

[jade prawn]

[warm dune]

2 shots per second is super easy - u dont need any max ammo

3 shots per second - u need max ammo or build a comp around her

[jade prawn]

Kisenix said that he assumes the showcase is in testing phase
It'll be different in live patch

[warm dune]

4 shots per second - build the comp around her cuz shes gonna do a shit ton

[sturdy lion]

3 shots per second = absolutely broken

[halcyon silo]

imagine right

if they lowered the charge time from vid

but put that charge time into delay

so u cant lower it with charge speed

[warm dune]

i think its safe to assume 2 shots per second

[jade prawn]

3 shots per second is really hard

2 shots per second is realistic

[warm dune]

with alice

[jade prawn]

Yeah

[warm dune]

anyways, let ppl test

then u can pull

https://tenor.com/view/pull-gacha-mobile-game-kermit-gif-8751144

[sturdy lion]

Decent chance that building to get her to fire 3/sec is going to brick the other teams enough to not be worthwhile

Similar to how Red Hood got sent to an alternate team for last raid

[warm dune]

3 shots per second prob puts her as best dps in game i think

[halcyon silo]

or u can test in shootring range then banner comes

freebie lvl 200 unit

[warm dune]

so it is worth force building her

[sturdy lion]

But not if your other four teams suffer net loss

[warm dune]

like if she did 10 shots per second ur other teams dont matter

[jade prawn]

Even with 2 shots per sex
She out dpses redhood??

[valid flume]

2 SHOTS PER SEX

[sturdy lion]

[halcyon silo]

only 2?

[vapid junco]

don't forget her base dmg is 10% below A2 or average RL

[warm dune]

not really, all that matters is that your machine guns have max ammo support or reload speed support

doro priv still exist

im more so worried about s.anis

might relegate to team 5

[jade prawn]

Also, can RLs core hit?

[halcyon silo]

sanis benched to pvp lets go

[vapid junco]

do aoe even count as core hit

[jade prawn]

No wey

[halcyon silo]

soon

at this rate

mod is getting benched

[warm dune]

mod is team 3 is my guess

if its 2 shots per second or more

for scarbs

[halcyon silo]

we're getting slammed with dps after dps

[vapid junco]

this

it's like their way to make up for new comers who missed all the meta

[halcyon silo]

its because we told them we wanted strong rh

so now they think we want strong everything

[vapid junco]

it's RH fault

get em

[jade prawn]

Pls make weak units

The next 5 banners

[eager summit]

EOS: no meta shake up

[warm dune]

they cud just only give us supports/defenders

for next few banners

[jade prawn]

Just give us PvP units

[eager summit]

there will be somebody who says something like this

[warm dune]

those should be 1-3 copies

[jade prawn]

Who cares about pvp

[deep musk]

D tier Ade plz

[jade prawn]

No new pilgrim defender till half anniv ffs

[warm dune]

if u have 9 bullets and 45.17% max ammo

whats the max ammo addition

4?

[jade prawn]

Yes

[warm dune]

and if its 50%, does it become 5?

[rigid gale]

I dont mind strong everything

[vapid junco]

lol i almost took that bait

[rigid gale]

Strong everything and powercreep are separate

[vapid junco]

when it becomes 5, then it is 5

[rigid gale]

Much better than shit everything we got at launch

[jade prawn]

@halcyon silo @gatrix would know

[halcyon silo]

idk where the rounding points are

[warm dune]

didnt gatrix get banned in both servers

[halcyon silo]

i dont have stones to test

[jade prawn]

Ye

He exists in prydwen now

[halcyon silo]

he exists in my dms

[warm dune]

im p sure 4.5 rounds to 5

from what i recall at least

[halcyon silo]

im 50% sure it does and 50% sure it doesnt

is there a unit i can use to test it?

[vapid junco]

you can test 50% of the unit

[valid flume]

which chapter after 20 weak to wind?

[jade prawn]

Can test with using noir+wingman+liter

Some combo of that..?

[halcyon silo]

trying maiden xmica

thats 3.6 for 4 bullets

.4*9

[jade prawn]

So it doesn't round off?

[jade prawn]

[halcyon silo]

it rounded up at .6 idk about .5

but it does go up

[jade prawn]

U were right