[Mica: Snow Buddy] New Unit Megathread

[mental mulch]

Lol

[brittle hawk]

[mental mulch]

Tove was not safe too

[sand spruce]

I can't pull for Tove, Ludmilla, and Mica

Anniversary just happened lol

[mental mulch]

Yeah

So

Dont

No need

[inland moth]

dont pull

[mental mulch]

U wont get hurt

[inland moth]

watch me pull instead and wish u had my credit card

[mental mulch]

Not pulling Lud hurts tho

[sand spruce]

Nah I'm getting Lud 100%

[brittle hawk]

this barely enough for 1 copy

[inland moth]

no u dont

wait for crown

[brittle hawk]

tove + lud + mica = impossible

[mental mulch]

NY can be chime

Crown most likely half anniv

[inland moth]

nah

trust me

[mental mulch]

Stfuuuuu

[inland moth]

chime and crown in 25 days

they coming the 31st

[mental mulch]

Not BOTH

At the same time

NO

[inland moth]

and january 1st comes with triple heretics in liberation; liberalio, nvidia and anachiraro... cinderella

[mental mulch]

@sterile seal how about

Rosanna tech?

She stacks

[sterile seal]

Don't you have to yeet

One person first

[mental mulch]

Just bring lv 1 unit

No gear

[mental mulch]

Taunter

Like Lud

[inland moth]

long ass 15s

[mental mulch]

I challenge all rosanna mica owner

To finish all interception

With those 2 units inside

[inland moth]

[brittle hawk]

ammo buff is a bait right? she need ~100s to get that buff?

[mental mulch]

No

Less

[elfin wagon]

Waiting for pvp tester for mica if she's worth

[mental mulch]

Nope

[inland moth]

[north helm]

damn

[inland moth]

1000% and even then....

[north helm]

so like I need Tove for Mica

[mental mulch]

No

[north helm]

so she's aight as a b1 solo ?

[brittle hawk]

her s2 also +1 for her s1?

Nice

[sterile seal]

I mean.

She's a nikke

And I like nikkes

[north helm]

took you a while but okay

[foggy ermine]

You know mica works with Tia right?

Easy 2 stack -24 to self

Wtf with self 300% burst gen speed boost?

Does her base burst gen that bad?

[sterile seal]

It should be the same as all other smgs

But
All other smgs also have horrible base gen

[slim mirage]

her burst gen will be about normal RL with her 300% buff

[sterile seal]

[foggy ermine]

2% per bullet

Now 8%

[sterile seal]

2%?

Altho the

Mica stacking Is kinda interesting

[foggy ermine]

[sterile seal]

For tia

[foggy ermine]

2% per bullet

[trim finch]

Correct me if I'm wrong with this

[foggy ermine]

Yeah, same trick with Rupee

[golden oasis]

Dam

[trim finch]

Won't her bullet generate 0.40% per shot?

assuming that her burst gen is base 0.10%

[golden oasis]

Why mica

[trim finch]

[golden oasis]

Nuuuuu

[foggy ermine]

.4% per bullet

[golden oasis]

40% att buff

[trim finch]

Oh ok

[golden oasis]

[trim finch]

I thought my 300% maf was a bit off

[foggy ermine]

Fun fact

Smol White has worst burst gen

[golden oasis]

But hopefully she charge fast

[foggy ermine]

.05%

[golden oasis]

[sterile seal]

Does that mean we can use novel instead of
Naga

[trim finch]

Does that mean Mica has some PvP potential?

nah?

[golden oasis]

Hard to say

[foggy ermine]

Freaking 6s to proc s1

[slim mirage]

if you need double attack buff without losing too much burst gen speed then might be good

[golden oasis]

But is meant for pvp

[foggy ermine]

7.5s to proc s2

[golden oasis]

Hmm

[foggy ermine]

[golden oasis]

Prolly try pull?

[foggy ermine]

20 bullet/s

That's smg value

[golden oasis]

But the burst skill rips

Good thing is 20

BUT THEN

There are better ones than Mica

[north helm]

everywhere I go

I see Liter

b1

[golden oasis]

Always

As always

[sterile seal]

Isn't pvp at 30 fps

Smgs would fire slower

No bueno

Unbueno

[foggy ermine]

15 shot/s

Wow 10s already decide pvp most of the tỉme

[sterile seal]

45 x 0.4
= she'd contribute 18% of burst gen on 3 RL teams

And offer absolutely almost nothing else

Gaming

[trim finch]

[north helm]

[queen swan]

Im doing 2 rl team on pvp

One for scar one for 2b

[modest bobcat]

Wait

If mica has 20% teamwide damage reduction

When you can pair her with normal ludmilla

And she will be sitting on permanent 77% damage reduction

Its work additively right?

[sterile seal]

Is this the legendary

2-1-2 tech

[modest bobcat]

Maybe

Idk where this can be useful

[sterile seal]

No where

You still need a CDR

[queen swan]

Boss staring contest

[north helm]

totally joever now

[queen swan]

The goal is stay alive not doing damage to boss

[north helm]

real

[modest bobcat]

Another free train

Surely

[sterile seal]

At least sakura has cdr

This ain't free

This ain't it

[north helm]

[sterile seal]

Paid train

[icy cloud]

Midca

[north helm]

nooooo

[crisp cosmos]

2 months later

all top SRs all have xmica in t4-t5

[north helm]

[indigo glade]

this

[icy cloud]

Now the question is Cocolian't or Amiyan't

[north helm]

it's looking more Amiyan't

[icy cloud]

I only have 60 pulls

I don't want to swipe after Doro skin

[solid wing]

Sup

I unpinned the tove cooking

Sorry but tove is not a thing yet

[lost flume]

Imagine pulling tove then unhappy had to pull xmica to make her work

[icy cloud]

Pulling Tove

[lost flume]

Not saying its not gonna be meta in the next nikke 2

[solid wing]

It's not about having to make her work

If you try to put those 2 together you either have no healing or you have no cdr

So it's not viable at all

[lost flume]

[lost flume]

Not mentioning using 2 units on b1 yet not comparable to bunny or jk

[solid wing]

Now let's have some fun, shall we

[lost flume]

Imma pull 1 copy

If she is shit i will blame everyone here

[north helm]

[lost flume]

[solid wing]

2rl, 3.2 × 3 = 9.6, just below SAnis
2.5rl, 3.9 × 3 = 11.7, equal to A2, above normal RLs.
3rl, 5.4 × 3 = 16.2, just below Normal RL

At base smg burst gen.

If she's somehow Ludmilla burst gen, then it changes some things

2rl, 4.8×3 = 14.4, above nihilister
2.5rl, = 17.55, above nihilister, below pascal
3rl = 24.3, between nihilister and A2

[solemn dawn]

why x 3

[solid wing]

Isn't it 300% up continuously?

[solemn dawn]

if it’s +300%

thats 400% total

so x 4

[solid wing]

Huh
U sure? Fr?

[solemn dawn]

Thats what I understand at least

[solid wing]

Nahh that's too much man.. kinda..?

[near sundial]

thats how attack buffs work

it should be +300

[solid wing]

Ok lemme do × 4

[near sundial]

but you know wording might be scuffed

[solid wing]

2rl, 3.2 × 4 = 12.8, above noah, below pascal
2.5rl, 3.9 × 4 = 15.6, above above nihilister, below pascal
3rl, 5.4 × 4 = 21.6, above noah, below pascal

At base smg burst gen.

If she's somehow Ludmilla burst gen, then it changes some things

2rl, 4.8×4 = 19.2, above clipSGs
2.5rl, = 23.4, above clip SGs
3rl = 32.4, above clip SGs

Now to fix comparisons

[crisp cosmos]

we need a friggin replacement for volume

so she can work fulltime on stage twerking instead of being a half-assed support

[north helm]

has great ass but half assed kit

truly an ass of all time

[solid wing]

Ok if she's Ludmilla burst gen

She's above clip sgs

[pulsar knot]

my brian hertz

[proud pine]

I wonder how good Mika for PvP

[solid wing]

A 40% atk buff for PvP is decent

[blissful terrace]

Is Kisenix done cooking?

[solid wing]

Her burst gen is decent, but she will feed a lot to the opponents

[proud pine]

Uhh why must SMG

[blissful terrace]

so Mica can shoot down rude customers

[drifting shell]

What does her skill 2 mean? She fills her gauge fast even as an SMG?

[blissful terrace]

yes

[solid wing]

Mica is like

Ok I guess

I can see mica dolla/shelm being a small thing but not really. For players who don't have Miranda, or a B1 healer

Mica dolla/Shelm will be a thing

For us, mica is what we call an EZ skip

[blissful terrace]

only work for the first cycle

[pulsar knot]

i forgot abt miranda

[blissful terrace]

i think, but it should be

imagine it works to every cycle

[drifting shell]

Oh it's not permanent?

[blissful terrace]

that need to be tested

[solid wing]

Should I pull for mica?

Nah, youre good. Dump everything on Ludmilla, and then save for new year's.
If you're a fan of tove and shotguns, you might consider pulling for mica, since she has an interesting interaction with tove and shotguns. Read the pins below on how it works.

Why??
You can pull for SG/Tove if you like. There's some niche uses but they aren't viable as it stands.

She has nothing special going on for her that would make one say, I MUST pull her at all costs. She's fine, nothing amazing. Hence she's a skip for most of the playerbase.

Her base burst gen might change my thoughts later on. Currently, her burst gen in PvP feels that it can be good
But we need to confirm it later on.

[north helm]

okay thx for the pin ser

[drifting shell]

"Continuously" should mean it's for the whole duration of the fight. If so that's pretty good and solves smg's abysmal burst gen.

[blissful terrace]

But Kisenix cooking

he spent an hour for that

[pulsar knot]

im getting her for the amica memes

[solid wing]

He didn't say she's a must pull anywhere

[north helm]

he was just cooking the possibilities

truly a chef of all time

[blissful terrace]

looks at those big maths he pull out 😄

[solid wing]

Again, she has some niches

Like he pointed out

Pair with tove and in general just pair with dolla/Shelm

But they aren't amazing imo. And not something I'd pay for at all

She's what we call mid

[brittle hawk]

mida?

[north helm]

midca

[solid wing]

Compared to xLud

Mica is like an R nikke

[north helm]

it's Amiyan't

[pulsar knot]

amica

not quite amiya but can prank poor doctors like me

[north helm]

oh is there such thing as a

New Year Nikke

[pulsar knot]

last year was modernia

[drifting shell]

With how good Modernia is, next new year banner is probably gonna be a must pull too

[north helm]

oh so that was her huh

[mental mulch]

I never say dont pull Mica tho

[north helm]

ye I might wanna hold on for that ig

[mental mulch]

But I also never say Mica is a must have

[maiden cypress]

pull Mika for waifu

?

[blissful terrace]

you cook for a long time

[mental mulch]

I still pull her

To prove it works

[pulsar knot]

you cannot take the 😭 out of me

[north helm]

idk I like her burst animation

that was fresh

[icy cloud]

They made her ass jiggle

[pulsar knot]

😭😭

[north helm]

[mental mulch]

I still need Marciana tho

Surely I can find someone with Marciana, invested Tove, and who wants to pull Mica

Normally Id ask EmilyLatrobe

But he quit

[solid wing]

Yeah, I said it

[lost flume]

Tldr to all the people reading tc channels if you pick up phrase like 'i will make it work or meta will come', it just means dont pull

[solid wing]

Just check pins

And trust the process

Cuz I'm rarely wrong

[pulsar knot]

follow your heart

[lost flume]

I like my 80 support on my bench

Dont wanna add 1 more

They been waiting for meta since launch

[sand spruce]

Is Mica at least good for "I don't have Liter" coping? Or is Miranda and Volume better for coping?

[lost flume]

Use n102

If you dont have liter

[solid wing]

Ehhh
Volume is better.

N102 is similar, and yeah, if you want a perfect comparison

Mica is a better version of n102

There you go
She beat n102!

Better max ammo buff
Kinda similar atk buff

[lost flume]

By how much tho

[solid wing]

40% for 5s mica
20s for 10s n102

[solid wing]

N102 is RL so

Maybe mica overall is slightly better
Very slightly tho

[north helm]

[lost flume]

So not pull worth

Imo

[solid wing]

Cuz of her less damage taken buff

Otherwise they're the same

[lost flume]

But if you want chnace of getting xanne too then its ok i guess

[sand spruce]

Mica being "slightly" better than N102

[north helm]

man

Anne never retiring at this rate

[lost flume]

Xanne is for pvp for me

[north helm]

I don't have her

been looking for a suitable banner to MLB so I break the wall

guess it's not this time

[fresh tulip]

i did an hour run, clean my house, eating dinner. Is the discussion about Tove x Xmica finished ?

[north helm]

it's joever ser

[modern yoke]

Hmm

[weak solstice]

It's rupee xmica time

[near sundial]

Did she really beat n102

N102 buffs attack while mica buff own attack, but she might pass if she stacks s1. How long does it take to get max stacks

[solid wing]

Better ammo buff
Less Damage taken buff

Mica is easily better than n102

Also
Mica is ssr

SR stats

CP takes a hit

[near sundial]

Oh right cp deficit hits hard

[fiery thunder]

Now we need a b2 or b3 who can magically pop all ally stacks from 0 to 1. Would go well with this girl

[maiden cypress]

it should have been her

[stuck elbow]

I was reading that mica is a tove enabler. But the pins say not worth pulling?

[maiden cypress]

do you want Cocca pro max?

we still waiting for Cocca to be relevant 1y later

[lost flume]

You wish

We decided xlud is best taken from behind

[north helm]

[sand spruce]

Mica/Tove combo forces you to choose between cdr or healing which isn't ideal for raids. The enabling doesn't matter if the party can't make full use of it.

[lost flume]

Team 5 angle she works in solo raid

[lusty surge]

honestly I wouldnt skip her since limited and there's the possibility of a b3 cdr happening , but to each it's own

[maiden cypress]

we got A2 for team 5 comrade

just pretend Tove isn't real until NW

unless you OL your Viper/Neve

[lost flume]

But think about it do you really want a unit like that in b3

[lusty surge]

idk

if ludmilla is not a skip

I dont consider mica either

ludmilla could get crepped out at any moment in time

[lost flume]

Xlud deffo 1 4 11 copies , xmica > tove but both can be fodder

My angle

[maiden cypress]

the difference between the two is one already has a established place in the meta while the other is depending on future Nikke

[gentle idol]

Right now there no content where you require xLud or xMica. And probably no such content in the future, cause until the rerun an year later it will be unplayable for every new player

[lusty surge]

that's the problem though , ludmi is just a good dps right now , but add 5 more of those and she's out of the meta

meanwhile mica could be busted on the future

and a unit similar to her not existing

[gentle idol]

XLud should be meta for any blue solo raid for next couple years

[lost flume]

Xlud wont be out of meta

Unless they release 5 b3 water dps

[blissful terrace]

meanwhile Scarlet...

[sand spruce]

If you have S.Anis, Scarlet is still in meta.

[fresh tulip]

i mean, don't think about the future too much

[maiden cypress]

Modernia is still in the meta

released 1 year ago, we are comparing Ludmilla to same Moderina

[lost flume]

People think they be playing this game forever

[maiden cypress]

no one is talking about benching moderina

[lost flume]

Global server is already dying

[blissful terrace]

da baby is growing ok

wait until she become adult

[fresh tulip]

just wait till people test xlud out

[lusty surge]

scarlet has served me for a loooooooooong long time

[fresh tulip]

some number crunching and testing worth a lot more

[lusty surge]

I dont mind if she ends up being replaced she has done well already

[blissful terrace]

she is one step out of top 10 highest DPS meta

i'm not joking

[lusty surge]

ik

[maiden cypress]

Scarlett isn't going anywhere anytime soon

[fresh tulip]

Scarlet will always has her place in pve

[lusty surge]

but thats if I get the unit

and equipment for it

[lost flume]

My 2lb scarlet is already replaced in ur and sr

[fresh tulip]

her screen wipe is too valuable

[maiden cypress]

Scarlett replaced in SR?

[solemn dawn]

some benched her last UR

[lost flume]

On 35+% cp penalty she dont screen wipe anymore

[lost flume]

Yeah died too much

[maiden cypress]

last UR MW pp comparing contest

[lost flume]

Aint got time for that

[maiden cypress]

SW*

naturally what's meta is gonna fluctuate depending on a boss too

[blissful terrace]

how much is it? 100k different?

[maiden cypress]

so it's never gonna be same nikkes for everything

[delicate pagoda]

Even if they get pushed out of the regular meta they still need to be pushed out of best for their element

[lost flume]

420k vs 642k

[maiden cypress]

only fire Nikkes in danger of that atm

cause every other dps is fire

[solemn dawn]

except Liter 🐐

[fresh tulip]

dps is the slot that got powercrept the most rn

[lost flume]

Powercreep is just wrong word to use

Different bosses Different use

In ur

[fresh tulip]

which dps unit at launch still relevant ?

[drowsy lagoon]

@mental mulch ticket mica?

or just skip?

[lost flume]

Scarlet is still used

[brittle hawk]

alice?

[solemn dawn]

theyre adding many S tier options rather than power creeping

[fresh tulip]

dps only

[brittle hawk]

sw

[lost flume]

Sw is never gonna be benched 100%

That multiple hit kaboom is big

[solemn dawn]

privaty sub-dps

[maiden cypress]

SW and Scarlett Alice, Maxwell

basically all the dps that were meta

[lost flume]

Pretty much

Just not used 1 ur or replaced

But not powercreeped

[maiden cypress]

SW gonna be benched for Grave Digger raid

[golden summit]

mine still at 38%, urs is just bad admit it noob

[lost flume]

Fk u momo

Change your name back bish

Why u afk also

[lost flume]

2lb scarlet what do you want

[fresh tulip]

we'll see ele dmg advantage OL line as a must soon

[lost flume]

Ofc

Its a must in ur

[fresh tulip]

once the roster expand, it will becomes more potent

[lost flume]

Until they start to release more units thats buffs elemental

[drowsy lagoon]

should I just ticket mica?

[lost flume]

No

You can get xanne or xrupee

If you dont have

[drowsy lagoon]

I have both

[lost flume]

Only ticket pilgrim

Are you a whel?

[maiden cypress]

we got a whel here

[lost flume]

If whel just xlud first then xmica

[drowsy lagoon]

I just don't want to split resources trying to go for both

I have like 180 pulls

[lost flume]

??

Gems?

[drowsy lagoon]

45k and 30 tickets

[fresh tulip]

180 pulls will be enough for 1 copy each. Provided you're not too unlucky

[lost flume]

Oh

[mental mulch]

Stop

[lost flume]

Dont go pull

[mental mulch]

They will definitely release SG B3 or B2 with CDR

For now its up to you

Believe my prophecy

Or no

[lost flume]

2 year later?

[mental mulch]

Lud took 1 year

Hmm

[drowsy lagoon]

should I just ticket mica and leave her benched? or wait next year to get spooked?

[mental mulch]

Maybe 2-3 months

[lost flume]

Bruh

0.5 %

Is not a lot

[mental mulch]

I wouldnt wait for next year

[fresh tulip]

Mica's burst is shit though

[lost flume]

Its pilgrim rate

[mental mulch]

But I also cant recommend

[mental mulch]

It's not shit

[lost flume]

And you are not a whel

[mental mulch]

Against bosses with lots of debuffs it might be good

[lost flume]

So up to you

[mental mulch]

Dont also come crying

When they release a debuff heavy boss

You decide

I bricked my account already

[lost flume]

Thats true

[fresh tulip]

what you talking about? i'm getting 1 copy each

[mental mulch]

By overinvesting in Tove

Without waiting for Lud's kit

🙂

[drowsy lagoon]

aka chatterbox?

[fresh tulip]

the only limited unit i didnt get is SNeon because she's that bad

[lost flume]

Just get xlud first then decide if your luck is good enough to pull or tickets

[drowsy lagoon]

all in on xlud? or up to 2lb or 3lb?

[lost flume]

I got her benched i never even know she is mg

[lost flume]

1 copy

[mental mulch]

No use ticket

[fresh tulip]

she did too little even in her niche

so i just bail

[lost flume]

Bruh

[mental mulch]

Lud is best dps

So 2 LB for me if Im lucky

[lost flume]

Sneon disappointed me so much i sleeped on snis

I just benches her also for a bit

Built and benched

[fresh tulip]

i think SAnis is a really good unit that SU gets right

strong but not broken

[lost flume]

@drowsy lagoon tbh 180 pulls is not a lot

Imo

So tread carefully

[gentle idol]

If no core xLud won't do much

[lost flume]

She is ok even without core

Just not modernia lvl

[gentle idol]

Ye, just ok

[mental mulch]

?

[lost flume]

4th dps

[fresh tulip]

the most important thing is i can bench guillo

[mental mulch]

She is above Modernia

[gentle idol]

No dupes from standard cause she is limited

[mental mulch]

She gives damage taken

Mod doesn't

[lost flume]

Without core?

[mental mulch]

Which means your other DPS gets dmg buff

She might deal less, but your other DPS deals more

So she deals more, since that extra DPS comes from her

[brittle hawk]

💀 skip midca now mean if she somehow good later i will need mileage next year or cope 0.5% rate?

[lost flume]

Well if you compare it that way they are closer

[fresh tulip]

it's a 5 Nikke team after all

[drowsy lagoon]

Hmm last time we had 2 limited 2 units, I went 2/240
aka I got 2 2B, and had to ticket A2

[lost flume]

Rip

Whats your account look like

[mental mulch]

1 copy each

You dont Limit break

[drowsy lagoon]

then I got like 5 RH in 183 lol

[mental mulch]

If ur gem is low

If ur gem is below 100k

I wouldnt get copies

At all

[brittle hawk]

[fresh tulip]

i got 200 pulls, just gonna get 1 copy each

save the ticket for pilgrim

[drowsy lagoon]

what if you have like 800 mileage? save it all for a NY rugpull?

[gentle idol]

I would wait till 28 to pull

[mental mulch]

You have 800?

[lost flume]

I will pull 1 each and wait

[mental mulch]

Why not spend during RH

[gentle idol]

If pilgrim I rather skip xLud and xMica

[mental mulch]

You pulled RH?

[drowsy lagoon]

812 mileage

[drowsy lagoon]

I would have only gotten to core 5 lol

[mental mulch]

What did you during RH event

Spent gems?

[lost flume]

Core is not that worth for low spender since he has core 1 rh already

[mental mulch]

:/

[mental mulch]

No, why would he pull using gems

When he had tickets

[fresh tulip]

does it matter ?

[mental mulch]

It does

RH is 1%

Normal rate up is 2%

Technically you spend double

Regardless of luck

[fresh tulip]

ah you mean the mileage

i thought you mean the recruit ticket

[mental mulch]

Yeah I mean mileage

I spent 800 for 4 copies of RH

[fresh tulip]

yeah, spend mileage for pilgrim is technically the more efficient way

[lost flume]

I pulled with gem and mileaged 6 copies

[mental mulch]

I honestly dont recommend going beyond MLB

Literally just atk boost

[lost flume]

Tru

I core for the prism

[mental mulch]

I even regret 2 LBing 2B

A2 was better

[lost flume]

I max cored both

Only because the insane luck i got

40 pulls 11 copies

[mental mulch]

Wat

[lost flume]

On both banner

[mental mulch]

You cap?

You swear that wasnt cap?

[lost flume]

I did a 40 got 11 of them

Not cap

[mental mulch]

Proof

Send SS

[brittle hawk]

40 multi?

[mental mulch]

No sane man wouldnt SS those pulls

[lost flume]

40 tickets

[brittle hawk]

bruh

[lost flume]

I think i have

[mental mulch]

Ss pls

[north helm]

[lost flume]

Sec

[mental mulch]

Damn lucksack

[lost flume]

I cant find the 2b ones

[maiden cypress]

SU baked that fomo straight into your brain

[drowsy lagoon]

Jokes on all of us, why not just use N102

[maiden cypress]

you gonna dispel with N102?

[gentle idol]

She isn't must have now, that's why she won't be must have ever

[stuck elbow]

I see. Mica and tove seems like a good skip

[maiden cypress]

we need a tyrant with Silence debuff

[fresh tulip]

silence debuff is too strong rn, that won't be good for player experience

[drowsy lagoon]

Silence usually is a short debuff that is applied frequently
there's not much a dispel would do lol

[fresh tulip]

the small mobs already a pain with silence

[maiden cypress]

that's cause of what's applying it

no reason for a tyrant to function the same way a normal Rapture does

or well Lord class idk i think bosses are called Lords

[mental mulch]

Oh ye

Overclock sim has debuffs

Hehe

Maybe u can cheese them with Mica

Cocoa feels a troll pick

@sharp canyon Proof

She has this buff almost permanently

If timing is bad, she might lose it

[blissful terrace]

Kisenix Xmas goal: make Mica great again!

[mental mulch]

U need to keep track of the buffs

Before u decide to burst

Pause and check

Mica is around 150 shots, so that should be around 9.733s per trigger without Resilience.

Assuming reload.

Max ammo will help slightly

[icy cloud]

Micromanaging

[oak holly]

[mental mulch]

This is Tove's limit with Helm right now, without cubes and gear on Helm, Drake, Guilty, Tove. Guilty is 1/1/1.

On Blacksmith Special Interception.

I can trash Drake for Mica and that should bring more overall damage. Though I can't use Noir.

Noir is just an example since she is the only unit that is Wind.

How about CDR? Nope.

Now, the question stands whether Mica can surpass the non-CDR team.

You can't test that now unfortunately.

[lost flume]

Long way to go for sg comp

[mental mulch]

BUT DRAKE IS AN ATTACKER.

[brittle venture]

[mental mulch]

Here proof.

With Pepper.

Point still stands.

Marciana Sugar Drake.

This 3.

Let me compare to Sanis team.

Not using Dorothy for fairness.

Dropped Marciana for Naga, which is better, technically.

Not much different.

From the SG team.

Best is still Marciana Sugar Drake.

There was NOT even Mica.

Guilty was not invested.

And clear time is 1.12.

Scar clears in 0.51.

SG can reach 1 minute.

Now, tell me it's delusional.

Yes, you MUST use Marciana btw.

[lost flume]

Is this mainly a team 4-5 for sr we building or?

[mental mulch]

Yes.

Tove is Team 4-5 most.

If they release a good unit, it might go to Team 3 DPS wise.

Like B3 SG CDR.

[lost flume]

Maiden

[mental mulch]

Which makes this team perfect.

[lost flume]

[mental mulch]

She is there.

Marciana.

Not Owned.

[lost flume]

Why is tia not on there

Why is centi there

[mental mulch]

PvP

Jk I put Tia

[lost flume]

Doko?

[mental mulch]

Added

[lost flume]

Outdated ss

[mental mulch]

Jn

[lost flume]

Blackmail material top tcer dont wishlist tia

[mental mulch]

This Pepper has no OL

Wtf

See SG dps doesnt differ much

As long as you fucking use SG

Literally Marci is best

Marci Sugar Drake

That will outdps Sanis Scar + Volume

[lost flume]

I will wait for isabel buff

[mental mulch]

With Mica*

[lost flume]

Ofc

Rn she is lacking something

[mental mulch]

Its so satisfying to see my Noir shoot so fast

[lost flume]

Jps is good for mens health

[mental mulch]

Damn

Right

But I dont have much XP left to max OL Ludmilla

[lost flume]

[mental mulch]

No, im not maxing Mica for that tiny buff

[near sundial]

just swipe for the exp

[lost flume]

[mental mulch]

Shut

[brittle venture]

midca

[drowsy lagoon]

Source?

[solemn dawn]

dev notes or arca

[valid pulsar]

Mica looks like a pretty good burst 1 support

especially on comps that benefit from max ammo

[near sundial]

n102 also looks like a good b1 support

[lost flume]

tru

[slow saddle]

Unit of all time

[sharp canyon]

@mental mulch what if we go full copium

low s1 level tove

mica + sumemr anis

and priv

[mental mulch]

Are u gonna say sanis

[sharp canyon]

yep

[mental mulch]

Smh expected

[sharp canyon]

[mental mulch]

I mean u can

[sharp canyon]

i wonder if the ammo reduction will be enough to offset the ammo increase

across both

[mental mulch]

But 20s CD?

No heals?

Wasted potential

It does work

[lost flume]

[final holly]

Are people really saying, it’s for Tove?

Aren’t they both B1s with no CDR

And both with 20s CD?

[mental mulch]

Tove only needs to burst once

[solid wing]

Tldr for anyone who doesn't know yet

Mica can essentially keep tove's atk buff active permanently

This is because tove's burst skill is a stackable buff. And mica can increase/refresh stack count for it infinitely

[final holly]

What the

So uh does it math out to be superior?

[solid wing]

With ele
You push scarlet out

[final holly]

Tove + Winter Mica + Dolla + the usual

Or skip Dolla, just use Guilty

[solid wing]

Yeah
That's the cook

For now

Helm for heals

[solid wing]

The problem is

Sugar, marciana -> iron
Drake -> fire
Guilty -> wind
Noir -> stuck with blanc
Sanis, Maiden, Isabel -> electric
Neve -> water
Pepper -> is a B1 unit, can't be used

[mental mulch]

Its Marciana + 2 SG

And it does work

Right now

[mental mulch]

Tove Pepper/Drake Guilty Noir Helm can nearly surpass Vol Centi SAnis Scar Priv if invested.

This is against a boss with core.

[solid wing]

Yo can this make Isabel good?

Or nah

Less FB burst she does DPS

[mental mulch]

No

[final holly]

Hmm to invest in Tove or to not

glances at clock

Under 1 hour to decide

[solid wing]

I'm gonna regret skippin tove but it is what it is

[final holly]

Was it proven real?

[solid wing]

Wdym

[final holly]

As in tried it out with Pepper and yep, permabuff?

[solid wing]

Yeah
You can try it yourself in shooting range

Tove guilty noir sugar liter

[final holly]

And I presume it’s because that part “mirrors” a stack which means it itself is a stack?

[solid wing]

Burst once with tove

Then burst with liter only.

Noir and guilty will have their stacks refreshed.

And then sugar won't cuz she's iron.

But that will be fixed with mica since mica refreshes everyone

[mental mulch]

Yes but hardcapped

[final holly]

That’s pretty fun at least

[solid wing]

It's a good quirk
Yes

[final holly]

Imagine if everyone went for it and then ShiftUp says it’s a bug and patches it out

[solid wing]

It's not a bug since it's working as intended

Stackable buff?
Increases stack count?

Working as intended.

[final holly]

There’s working as the intern intended and there’s working as the devs intended

[solid wing]

The translation makes sense completely and it's accurate so

I don't think it's a bug

[mental mulch]

U can only know after update

Muahahhahaa

U must decide now

HAHAHAHAHHA

But I suggest getting Tove

And Mica can wait for testing

[final holly]

Yeah, I have to defer remaining Tove copies to wishlist

[mental mulch]

So yeah Marci Sugar Drake

But I dont have Marci

And Guilty and Maiden are invested

Wow

Im polar opposite

[fleet sapphire]

This is sad. Why does she increase stacks of all elements>:(

[final holly]

You’d rather she only increased Wind element stacks?

[mental mulch]

The fuck is sad about that

[final holly]

😈

[fleet sapphire]

Rupee crying :(

[mental mulch]

Pepper gets to keep stacks and outDPS Drake.

Mica does that to everyone.

Now, you just need Marciana Sugar Drake to mirror this.

Instead of Guilty Sugar Helm or whatever.

Which is weaker.

[fleet sapphire]

The stackable bursts arent considered stack buffs right?

[mental mulch]

It is considered.

But hardcapped by S1 stacks, minimum 1 stack.

It would be permanent 3 stacks until Tove loses those stacks, and it will revert to 1 stack of ATK buff.

The only way you can raise it back without using Tove's Burst is by refreshing it AFTER S1 stacks are increased.

[fleet sapphire]

Oh not tove. I meant like uh vesti and crew

[mental mulch]

The good news is: she refreshes for all allies, so every 9.5s, you are guaranteed +1 stack.

[mental mulch]

Nope.

That's called Repeated Burst.

[fleet sapphire]

One day isabel will be useable... One day

[fleet sapphire]

Welp. Guess I'm skipping mica. More xrupee and anne copies for me ig

[mental mulch]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/rosanna

This stacks.

Sac someone, reach 220% attack in 90 secs.

@solid wing

If there is a B3 20s. This becomes a real team btw.

[solid wing]

That

Is interesting actually

[solid wing]

Bro wtf

Can we check if the stacks increase with pepper?

@mental mulch check if stacks increase with pepper

Or do we have to get someone killed

To start the stack

[mental mulch]

Do I look like I have Rosanna

[brittle hawk]

💀 you need to sacc 1 nikke

[mental mulch]

Yeah ofc

[solid wing]

Nah idk about that then

[mental mulch]

Well can use XAnne

Nope

I mean Rapunzel

[solid wing]

Eh

[mental mulch]

40 60 40

Stuck

For 20s

[solid wing]

You're already Using mica and rosanna

[mental mulch]

Oh

Sad

I guess they did expect that

Cus if Mica B2

Someone gonna do this shit

[stone delta]

Just don't full burst

[lost sentinel]

So she a must pull or not?

Her kit looks kinda meh imo

There’s already a lot of B1s to use

[lost flume]

No

Not must

Xlud is

[icy cloud]

Lud is less futureproof, no?

[stoic mountain]

Lud power creep everyone

Maths said it

[oak holly]

[brittle venture]

midca

[stuck elbow]

Looks like mica will be doa

[fathom glen]

I ran some sims on tove+xmica, xmica is actually a pretty sizable increase in tove's L3 s1 uptime

from my numbers tove by herself is at around 80% uptime, can get up to 85%ish with a ton of ammo (250%). base tove (L9 s1 no ammo) with an uninvested xmica goes to 89% uptime, can get up to like 92% or so with more ammo on tove

looking like a pretty nice duo for sgs

[final holly]

But how long will that duo last before ShiftUp releases something that makes the shotgun commitment a thing to regret?

[sterile seal]

Probably not long at all

Or they can just release a meta SG nikke

Whatever comes first

[fathom glen]

team5

[mental mulch]

More ammo on Mica?

Can you check if more ammo on Mica also helps?

Also use Resilience?

-0.6s reload time

I think can reach 90%+?

[brittle venture]

midca

[mental mulch]

Can you stop?

Youre not contributing anything

[brittle venture]

midca

[fathom glen]

more ammo on mica helped a bit, like added an extra 0.5% or so at 200%

not all that much though

[mental mulch]

Thats weird

[fathom glen]

xmica a low investment char for once, shocking

[mental mulch]

No thats weird

[fathom glen]

resi and bastion ended up pretty similar on mica

[mental mulch]

Thats weird

No fr

I expect 1%+

[fathom glen]

I was a bit surprised myself at how low it was

[mental mulch]

You do it after 92% or before?

Cus it is a steep graph

[fathom glen]

could kinda see it though, since it's going from every 9s to getting close to 7.5s, and it's mostly just there to extend tove's window

max was like 92.5% or so with both at 200%+ ammo

but tove alone at 200% with mica just existing was basically 92

[mental mulch]

I might better off running Tove Pepper Guilty at this point.

[fathom glen]

pepper can't keep up the burst buff forever

[mental mulch]

Guilty.

Pepper is just a sitting duck.

[fathom glen]

only for herself?

not doing anything for sugar, and are you going to break apart bunnies for this?

[mental mulch]

Guilty refreshes Wind.

I said Pepper.

I didn't say Noir.

[fathom glen]

I'm more saying who are you going to use as b3s

presumably shotguns, but not getting much benefit since I don't see pepper keeping the burst buff on them up by herself

[mental mulch]

Ideally, Drake or Sugar.

[fathom glen]

that's what I mean, guilty won't keep tove's burst buff up on them since not wind

and pepper isn't going to be often enough for that

[mental mulch]

It's fine. They're not invested.

Guilty will easily 2x their damage.

[fathom glen]

I leave you to your cooking

[mental mulch]

Using Mica forces Marciana.

Or else you're stuck with 2 SGs.

Or 2/3, if no healer.

Depending on if you want to use CDR B2.

I don't have Marciana, so 3 SG, which is the "meta" for this team, it's not possible.

I'm stuck with 2 SGs.

Another potential is to just actually bring 1 SG.

And bring units like Scarlet.

Scarlet won't get the buffs, but she doesn't get many buffs with her current most popular team (SMary + Dolla) anyway.

In fact, here she gets 14 extra ammo + 5s occasional ATK buff from Mica.

Some crit rate buff, and also crit dmg.

Here, in this case, it's most likely again, Marciana B2, with SG B3 for optimal.

Guilty Helm can, but...

Might as well run Mica Dolla Guilty Helm Scarlet, or SMary Dolla Guilty B3 Scarlet.

[brittle venture]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[mental mulch]

Just as you know 3 SG is the middle point. Anything below 3 SG is not enough DPS.

I tested this 3 times.

2 SG has the least score.

But it's not Mica, so who knows.

Can someone send me Marciana pls

So I can fully test this on december 14

[brittle venture]

ahahaaha

@mental mulch

the stacking got patched out

[granite dawn]

Looks like they patch out Rupee, Guilty and Soda's buff stackable increase, but their skills only works for codes other than water. Does that mean xMica still can buff Tove?

[pale jetty]

You jinxed it smh

[near sundial]

ITS TOVER

[short path]

[final holly]

This is going to age well

[mental mulch]

Thats skill 2

[steep haven]

what about xMica Rosanna?

[mental mulch]

Bro I didnt see anything that says Burst Skill?

[mental mulch]

Can you screenshot all

The bug only fixes where other allies have more stacks than Tove triggering attack speed buff.

Now, attack speed is only granted when Tove has 3 stacks.

I assume?

No, we can still have fun.

Yall cant read

[mental mulch]

No, its fine

Let me test

It doesnt change anything

[final holly]

I’ll let you test

I was just having fun

[pale jetty]

We are so back?

[mental mulch]

Huh?

[pale jetty]

Nvm i am half asleep

But from your test the fix doesnt affect tove perma stack then?

[mental mulch]

I havent tested

[mental mulch]

We are saved

It does refresh

[mental mulch]

Yes doesnt affect

[fiery thunder]

so close to another shotgun moment from shift up

[solid wing]

@mental mulch so did they patch it?

Or is mica dead?

[icy cloud]

Midca becomes flopca

It's joever

Tover even

[oak holly]

we midca gaming bois

[muted yew]

Whats the word?

[mental mulch]

Nope

[solid wing]

LMAO

What did they even change then

[mental mulch]

S2 atk spd triggered based on individual stacks

Instead of Tove's

[fresh tulip]

so, what are the chances that next banner will be a good sg dps unit ?

[blissful terrace]

maybe not

because of new year banner

Modernia was the near year's NIKKE

[near sundial]

this year we don't know who is the ny nikke rn

[blissful terrace]

maybe chime or crown

they have to milk player with Pilgrim

[azure lark]

:clueless

Tover

And I see absolutely nobody pulled mica