[Tove] New Unit Megathread

[open sphinx]

[tired cradle]

Reset ONLY TO INCREASE HER AGAIN

FUCK U AUSTIN

I SHOULD HAVE RESET GUILLOTINE MOTHERFU

Or drake

MEH WHEN NEXT RESET, WHEN ALICE REWORK?

Sugar vs Guilty is a hard fight

[open sphinx]

use both

[tired cradle]

In Ultra, it was Iron weak.

[tired cradle]

*Use Maiden + Guilty

[open sphinx]

is this math true

[tired cradle]

What is 225

[open sphinx]

base clip

[tired cradle]

Oh

[open sphinx]

so 225 is the 4 black ammo lines

[tired cradle]

I counted it already

[open sphinx]

so if you have 4 t11 lines you shoot for 2125 ammo per clip

[tired cradle]

No

Not 4 black lines

I didnt count the reload

[open sphinx]

what I'm understanding is

you shoot that many bullets

before you run out of ammo per clip

[tired cradle]

Yeah 2125 is whole game already maybe

Lmao

[open sphinx]

2125 is like 3 mins of shooting right

[tired cradle]

Remember 2 new units coming

[open sphinx]

rh put a dent on me

I just hope the new units won't be tove dependent

[neon rock]

welp

Sugar died

[tired cradle]

@lucid warren

Modernia

SAME TIME AS ALICE MOD

GAY

OK HERES THE THING

DONT BRING CDR WITH HER

URE GONNA FUCKING WAIT FOR 3 STACKS ANYWAY

[lucid warren]

[heady kiln]

Man it's like 5% is 5%.

[zenith trellis]

I assume this is bad?

[open sphinx]

that 5% can be 90% for some ppl so...

[tired cradle]

Gay 1/1/1 Guilty

I mean she has 20% bonus

[lucid warren]

this is not full auto right?

[tired cradle]

No

Wait actually

Let me try

[lucid warren]

[obsidian harness]

This is from skyjlv server

It's true

[tired cradle]

FULL AUTO MOD

LMAO

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@lucid warren FREE MOD

[spice storm]

So skip and WL or pull?

[lucid warren]

[zenith trellis]

I can't even tell if this is a skip or a pull lol

[tired cradle]

Guilty chilling from 7k cp behind

[zenith trellis]

Wait, that was Special Interception?

[tired cradle]

1 copy

[frail ridge]

I spent 143 rolls for 1 copy

Tell me she is good

[spice storm]

Max core her, got it.

[frail ridge]

[tired cradle]

She is good but expensive

She is unusable below certain incestments

@marsh basin ok austin

You dont need CDR with her

[zenith trellis]

So high-investment like Alice?

[tired cradle]

Ure gonna fucking wait for 30000 years

[heady kiln]

Not that high

[tired cradle]

Just bring another SG

I like Marciana more but no Marciana

[open sphinx]

who needs cdr when you're already fishing for the 3rd proc

[frail ridge]

But then you're gonna wait even more withou cdr bcs you lose all stacks right before burst

[tired cradle]

Can bring like Tove Marci Sugar Drake Guilty

[frail ridge]

[zenith trellis]

Death by many pellets here.

[tired cradle]

Hmm

[tired cradle]

No, you will wait more

than you accidentally lose a 3 stack bcus its on CD

[zenith trellis]

I assume Tove's skill 1 need to be maxed? Anything else needs to be maxed?

[tired cradle]

Level 9

Burst ig?

Level 10

[frail ridge]

No books

[zenith trellis]

Might need to save up some books on Tove then.

[frail ridge]

All sg except noir is 1-1-1 too

[heady kiln]

save books for Tove, and the 3+ Shotgunners you haven't been using.

[frail ridge]

Future investment

[tired cradle]

Maiden Sugar Drake dont need investments skill

Guilty needs skill investment

All of these 4 need OL

Theyre not even skill dependent

You only need to up Tove

Even Guilty can leave at 5

[frail ridge]

What about sugar burst

[tired cradle]

5

Or 4

Not higher

Not lower

Same as S2

Not higher not lower than 5

Ok SANIS TESTING TIME

[zenith trellis]

The moment of truth here lol.

[strange shell]

She doesn't need cdr?

[open sphinx]

sanis gets to 1 ammo when she bursts

but if she doesn't she gets like 8-9 ammo or something

[tired cradle]

Ok dont

Dont

SANIS DOESNT WORK

Also @obsidian harness

Tove gets fucked up below 60fps

Not 30fps friendly

Real bad

Like super bad

[zenith trellis]

Damn, confirmed what we already knew.

[heady kiln]

I know someone was saying the buffs S.Anis gets would be > S.Anis' S2 spam

but sounds like that didn't work out

[strange shell]

Alright so is Tove good enuf to save isabel

[tired cradle]

Best is Sugar + Guilty

And I think Drake Marciana too

Pellet team

[open sphinx]

maybe someone else instead of marci

[tired cradle]

Helm is a bit special

[tired cradle]

Why?

She is the best here

She heals and also deals dmg

[open sphinx]

she gets bricked tho

[tired cradle]

Bricked by what

More ammo?

She shoots faster anyways

It doesnt matter

Its alr enough healing

[open sphinx]

wouldn't be poli or something works better

[zenith trellis]

Poli is a 40 second burst 2.

Wouldn't work out

[open sphinx]

you burst with guilty

[tired cradle]

Poli does work

But if need heal cant

[zenith trellis]

Ah right, forgot Guilty

[open sphinx]

sure if you really need heals that bad

marci works

[tired cradle]

Helm also works

Btw

For Marciless people

And SWless

U prolly wont use Helm anywhere else

[strange shell]

So tove poli guilty Helm and a b3 shotty

Sounds good enough for team 5 until we get better options (lmao no cdr)

[tired cradle]

No

Tove Sugar Guilty Helm Drake

[azure thicket]

[zenith trellis]

I got Marci, I'll just run that without Helm.

[umbral acorn]

No CDR team with tove?

[tired cradle]

I just spent 180 ammo

Without triggering S1

5% btw

[open sphinx]

you know whats funny

[tired cradle]

U decide

[open sphinx]

in sg team you have burst under 2 seconds

[tired cradle]

Its fucking gacha

[open sphinx]

and you will be gated by cdr and rng

[tired cradle]

Ure forced to fucking wait

[open sphinx]

its so toxic

[tired cradle]

But even if u wait

YOUR CLEAR TIME IS 50%+ FASTER

[open sphinx]

imagine getting to 3 stacks then losing before the burst cd is up

I would punch something

[tired cradle]

You can also use Novel btw but a bit tricky

[strange shell]

What. So she needs like 3-4 lines of OL ammo?

[open sphinx]

next sr will be fun to watch

[tired cradle]

Since you only Tove burst 3 stack

Novel will always get the 3 stack dmg

Which is good

But id rather pick Helm thanjs

Rmb u need to spam for crit rate

[open sphinx]

novel ?

[tired cradle]

Helm

Im gonna lv 10 Guilty S1 again

After resetting her last raid

Next reset, I reset Guillo

And Im gonna give Guilty 2 more OL

Then full save

[open sphinx]

then next raid you reset guilty again

[tired cradle]

I mean I just need a rock

Also Tove speeds up Guilty stacking

Rng a bit at the beginning

Get max ammo, atk, crits

Ofc

[open sphinx]

we need the math for the sugar skills again

with the tove buffs

[strange shell]

At least she is extremely good for her niche

And she does not need cdr, huge plus

[neon rock]

I see

so a mid investment unit then?

[strange shell]

Oh no,she's one of those buff units that want some moolah on her

[tired cradle]

Still waiting for S2 confirmation

[spice storm]

Not a isabel saver though

[tired cradle]

Mathematically, it's 4/6/8.

But I doubt thats the case.

[neon rock]

Aight

[cobalt arch]

still 9 x 10?

[tired cradle]

Each level is 1.3% dmg boost for all SG.

[hard crown]

9/x/10 "mid investment"

[tired cradle]

On average.

But it only increases on certain thresholds.

[tired cradle]

The 10 is like Naga Burst.

It's the most valuable and consistent part of her kit.

The attack speed is good too btw

9/4/10 is min

Im thinking of making 9/6/10 the standard

But u dont need to

[open sphinx]

you say its like naga burst

but we don't 10 naga burst tho

right

[tired cradle]

We do

Wdym

WTF

Oh its snake

Ofc

He has weird recommendations

He fixed it

[cobalt arch]

he said 7

[tired cradle]

Btw

I argued with him

[open sphinx]

I heard 10-10-7

[tired cradle]

Now he agrees its 10

[open sphinx]

ok then good

[cobalt arch]

bruh

[tired cradle]

Bro

Naga

Is

10/7/10

S2 is really

Useless

[open sphinx]

s2 is a filler heal

so I was suprised when I heard 10

[tired cradle]

Yes thats why

For endgame ppl its 10

[open sphinx]

mine is sitting on 7-4-4 tho

[tired cradle]

Cus u need to max ur dmg anyways

[open sphinx]

[tired cradle]

Skip Tove

[open sphinx]

she needs 1 more good sg to break into top 3 teams ong

and if we get that 1 unit on xmas I'll be mad

[neon rock]

I can't unsee how she looks like a blonde Shifty

in her shooting pose

[tired cradle]

TOVE: SHOULD YOU?

• Her minimum investment requires her Skill 1 to be at level 9, and her buff is dependent on Burst Skill level.
• She needs 3 OL at least to maximize ATK stat, and Max Ammo is preferable.
• She sometimes does not accrue any stack for 180 shots+ in a row, so it might be better not to bring any CDR, as you will be waiting anyway.
• She is still BiS for Shotgun teams (except SAnis).
• She is NOT FPS-friendly.
• Theoretically, Sugar & Guilty are her best partners, but mileage may vary depending on boss/element/OL/cores.
• MALD!

Verdict: 1 Copy

[open sphinx]

"MALD"

I felt that

[opal flicker]

[cobalt arch]

her team should be like this? last slot flex?

[runic jay]

feel like the chance to go 180 shots without a stack is pretty low unless we're talking about lower skill levels

[open sphinx]

he tested on 9 and didn't got any for 3 clips

happens once in a while

[cobalt arch]

or just put cdr b2...

[open sphinx]

the flex is the marci here

you want guilty because she do be bangin

[cobalt arch]

i think healer is a must for sr now...

[open sphinx]

depending on boss

like if helm is free from a sw comp you can also slot in helm

[random rose]

pepper gaming

[open sphinx]

nah marci outs pepper here imho

[random rose]

the problem is we skipped Marci

[neon rock]

[open sphinx]

wishlist her smh

[neon rock]

I have Marci

coz pulled for honi

[random rose]

account is literally bricked now

[open sphinx]

I did one 10 on marci because horni

and got her

used her for 2 days then she got outed by jk's

[neon rock]

If intern-kun hadn't screwed up there, almost everyone probably pulled for Marci

[cobalt arch]

btw isnt this mean 5% at all lvl?

[tired cradle]

No

[open sphinx]

no

it scales

[neon rock]

no

base is 2%

[cobalt arch]

wtf

[neon rock]

But hey

[cobalt arch]

but its black...

[tired cradle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/s/KErU6khU3Y

[neon rock]

it's still higher than Hotoverse's rates

[tired cradle]

I posted this a long time ago

[neon rock]

2%bro

[cobalt arch]

fk you su

[tired cradle]

In this server

[cobalt arch]

thats a real bait

[tired cradle]

Someone brought it to reddit

Sus

[tired cradle]

It is

[runic jay]

that's pretty crazy, in theory it should be like 0.0098% chance to go 180 shots without a proc at level 9

[tired cradle]

We are having 2 limited units in xmas

Mica and Ludmilla

Now Ludmilla will finally be SS

[open sphinx]

cope harder

[tired cradle]

No shit

[umbral acorn]

[open sphinx]

surely she can empty these mags

[neon rock]

WHAT THE HELL

[umbral acorn]

I will heal you!

"Just 35 bullets more "

[neon rock]

I need less boullets

[obsidian harness]

fr?

[open sphinx]

who baited him this hard

[tired cradle]

For shotguns yes

Tove > Liter

By miles

[open sphinx]

yeah but its a no context question

someone is being overhyped

[frail ridge]

Mb they only play shotguns

[strange shell]

That was a question that I was hoping that someone can answer

[tired cradle]

Yes

Technically

But ur dmg may either go up or down

No CDR btw

Isabel is 45s

So you need really good Tove rng or just sleep

[hard crown]

I do believe all 5 bosses this union raid are not shotgun friendly

[tired cradle]

Sunbather is

Shotgun friendly

[hard crown]

That guy is mid range

[tired cradle]

Yeah

[open sphinx]

we have 2 near bosses

[tired cradle]

Range doesnt matter

Material H is not near

[open sphinx]

let me cope

[tired cradle]

Also sunbather is near

[hard crown]

These range indicators are terrible

[tired cradle]

Saying Material H is near

Is the same as saying

Alteisen is near

[open sphinx]

he is when you fail the qte

[tired cradle]

[open sphinx]

also how bad sg against mw

[tired cradle]

Also Isabel is literally Guilty copium

[open sphinx]

its the whole screen at least you hit all pallets

[tired cradle]

Bro if u have good tove rng

Just run

Tove Isabel Helm Drake Guilty

Or Tove Isabel Sugar Marci Guil

But if u ever wait for 3 stack for longer than 5s within any 2 full burst, ure fucked up

[open sphinx]

just reset until you get that 1 run

[hard crown]

Imagine shotguns trying to hit one bullet on its core and parts. Also hitcount mobs

[tired cradle]

Or u can run 2 CDR

Which is better

But no healer so

[hard crown]

Damage is everything

[open sphinx]

do we have a water rupee ?

[tired cradle]

Does Mica and Lud winter not make u suspicious?

One of them will have SG

[open sphinx]

so you're saying

water rupee will be limited

[tired cradle]

Yes

[open sphinx]

it checks out

[tired cradle]

Lud is sus

I feel like its Mica or Lud

Definitely

Man Im fairly certain

[open sphinx]

how many free pulls are we getting on the winter limited

ok nvm

she is 100% bait

got her in first 10

the next banner will be xmas support

[tawny owl]

[azure thicket]

[opal flicker]

[thin trench]

Ok

[neon rock]

[bleak halo]

What's the scoop guys

Is tove good or bad

I'm leaning towards extremely niche, maybe not even worth rolling on niche because SGs are already niche enough

Wishlist-tier?

AR, so bad burst gen, and 5% that we gotta keep stacks on seems punishing

[neon rock]

I'm personally leaning more on to a sleeper unit

[exotic pulsar]

cope unit

like 2b

waiting for the meta train

or rather a stack count buffer for water?

or whatever her element is

[strange shell]

uhuh, watch as crown or one of the christmas units become SG

[exotic pulsar]

unless they increase water stack count

or it still mid

[marsh basin]

Tove good

Trust

[strange shell]

we did it guys, just need another year or so for SG to be meta

madman made her work with anus

low level s1 if you want to try this shit out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhFBuZ3NsGE

You have to understand that SG is not gonna be a team that will be used in any boss. There's gotta be specific bosses.

[brazen iris]

Skip or pull?

[granite moat]

Wait this Isabel OL high skill?

[strange shell]

yeah he's an isabel freak that uses her with anus instead of other electric dpses

[hearty silo]

My impression after reading all the chat here:

Tove is good but ultra niche. Shotgun Nikkes with her or bust. Also you need LVL9 S1 to minimize the odds of losing stacks, and you need to delay burst until Tove's stacks are maxed. The positive thing is she beats Liter when with a good shotgun squad, so you don't want to use a B1 CDR Nikke anyway if you have Tove for shotguns.

The negative thing is with what shotgun squad you've built, most of us in the raiding scene relegated our shotguns to 4th or 5th or even 6th string teams. Which basically means Tove should be seen only in Solo Raid along with a Dolla/Summer Helm or neither of them (because you have to make sure Tove reached max stacks before you burst, so you may have to delay burst at unexpected times in a damage scoring content like Solo Raid).

So if not raiding, skip her unless you're someone stuck with a shotgun team and don't have Liter/Volume/Dorothy. You'd rather evolve in a direction away from shotguns than be screwed into sticking with them just because you recruited and invested in Tove with limited new-commander resources.

Otherwise if you want her or are raiding, 1 copy and out. More if determined to waifu or whatever you want to do with your freedom to burn gems on a future-wishlistable Nikke with Xmas limited Nikkes coming down the belt.

[plain fiber]

Man, why didn't they just make her Iron or Wind element

[dark widget]

iron vs water with alice, it shouldnt but im pretty sure u take extra damage for weak element since viper dies to gd alot when u eat a hit

[hearty silo]

Though this would be all wrong if ShiftUp releases a powerful shotgun Nikke in the near future. A BIG IF

[past quail]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[rich parrot]

https://youtu.be/GhFBuZ3NsGE?si=7XGcRXmD8vdyXV_B

[open sphinx]

she is 1 good sg away from top 3 teams

and if xmas limited is that sg

idk what to say

[strange shell]

they're definitely hitting us with a good shotty before bringing in crown and the treasure goblin

[open sphinx]

can we get a few more quiry banners

[dark widget]

surely isabel buff

[open sphinx]

who knew seeing future from cn servers was this good

[signal torrent]

i got her in a tenner

is she good or is she whack

what is she all about

[plain fiber]

What if Crown is shotgun

[open sphinx]

I bet crown will be a sniper

and another rh blunder will happen

[hearty silo]

That they got their sequence of releases wrong, maybe

You'd release the great shotgun Nikke first

Then release Tove

$$$$$$$

At least, it feels like the most obvious approach to entice big pulls on Tove

[open sphinx]

nah

[hearty silo]

Now it's Tove first and we have no idea if ShiftUp will follow up with any new Nikkes for her

[open sphinx]

you make it this way

so next time they pull for the shit unit too

[hearty silo]

... evil

We're being conditioned!

[tired cradle]

Yes high chance

[tired cradle]

Thanks

@obsidian harness u fucking scammer

[tired cradle]

That kinda means that Sugar and Guilty is

indeed Tove's best pair but also need FLEX SG

Im thinking of running no CDR

with Tove Guilty Sugar Helm/Marci FLEXSG

FlexSG can literally be Drake against Wind, Maiden against Water, Viper/Poli against Fire, etc

Ok my to-do list:

• Upgrade Guilty S1 back to 10.
• Get Guilty body and shoe OL.
• Get Sugar all gear OL.

Im running out of mats so this will take a while

[open sphinx]

whats the minimum cope for the tove s1

[tired cradle]

9

[open sphinx]

F

[tired cradle]

Bastion better

Reload before full burst ends

[open sphinx]

I would love to get to 9 but there are other units that wants it more

[tired cradle]

Get at least 1-2 max ammo

Reload before full burst ends

Use Bastion

Keep spraying

[open sphinx]

keep praying

[drowsy scroll]

even if future meta sg dps gets released, I'm not confident with the 5% gacha thing

[signal torrent]

give rupee with a shotgun

of course a new meta kit too

[tired cradle]

Lud/Mica will be able to give stack to Water

Mark my words

Healer B2

With stack refresh

Mark my words

Remember this

Shotgun user too

NON clip

[vestal jacinth]

Hmm what's to say a better team 5 setup arrives in the time I'm trying to build schoolgirls and Tove?

[tired cradle]

How much is 540 T9 xp again

[cobalt arch]

[random rose]

tove is one good unit away from being team 3-4

just like mast

[vestal jacinth]

So some type of support that greatly increases shotgun hit rate?

Because that's what's holding Tove back from use in Tower and main campaign

[open sphinx]

mast hit that goal with 2b tho

[vestal jacinth]

Should I skip Tove?

[tired cradle]

No, Tove is a good team 5

Team 3-4 wont change

Because sanis + scar, and SW

[open sphinx]

if the limited sg is good

won't it push out the 3-4

[random rose]

pilgrim duo can change thing's

or winter

[vestal jacinth]

What's to say Crown and Chime won't throw their hats in the ring for team 5?

[tired cradle]

Look, my mom works at SU

[open sphinx]

oh ok

mb

[tired cradle]

• Ludmilla is B2 healer non-clip SG

• Mica is B3 DPS clip SG

[random rose]

honestly tower stuff and campaign is pretty much set in stone for a while

assuming all the meta girls

i don't see bunnies or Naga Tia being dethroned by a SG

[tired cradle]

Dethroned?

[random rose]

for campaign

Yeah

[tired cradle]

No

Theyre used together

[random rose]

try in campaign

[tired cradle]

[vestal jacinth]

Isn't RH faster?

[tired cradle]

My Mod Alice is 00:38

[vestal jacinth]

Next reset try train

[random rose]

my n102 Rossana product 23 Ludmilla mica is 10s

[tired cradle]

Guilty singlehandedly carrying

[ripe bridge]

I just reset my sugar skills and now i need to lv them again

[open sphinx]

at least 4-5-5 is not that big of an investment

[exotic pulsar]

Not confirmed yet right

[tired cradle]

Actually best build

[exotic pulsar]

Im just wait till info came out

[tired cradle]

These 3

[random rose]

Sugar and guilty here man

gotta get the clown make-up

[tired cradle]

^

Bro

[random rose]

everyone reset guilty man

[heady kiln]

So Tove/Guilty is another Mast/2B situation

[random rose]

Tove/Sugar imho

I think rest of the current set up is STC

[tired cradle]

[random rose]

Guilty has more staying than drake though we have a drought for wind specialists

[cobalt arch]

not me

[random rose]

the messiah still doesn't have Guilty 😭

i wanna bite the bullet and start raising her again but i fear they suprise us with SGs soon

[sleek vortex]

neutral ele btw

[tired cradle]

Thats low number

[open sphinx]

when you burst with priv

sanis dps dips to abyss

without the priv buff you get like 8 ammo or something

[sleek vortex]

not mine my union mate

[tired cradle]

@dark widget

Sim is a bad test place

Tove likes missing

Because she aims for core

Hitrate is kinda bad

[dark widget]

doesnt she just need to shoot? not hit?

[dark widget]

@tired cradle i cant get her to shoot at air but i think hit is when u actually have to hit?

[open sphinx]

just aim yourself

huh

[obsidian harness]

You can shoot air
You need to shoot rocks

[dark widget]

i found one, laplace doesnt need to hit to charge s1

with similar wording

[obsidian harness]

Regardless
Tove isn't sniper or rl
She needs to hit smthng, she can't shoot air

She essentially needs to hit

[dark widget]

right but it doesnt matter if the bullets miss due to hitrate right

even if the spread misses ur still stacking

if its on attack

[obsidian harness]

Oh that, will be hard to test

I'm not sure

[obsidian harness]

If wording is similar you should be correct

[dark widget]

theres also like 5000 different wording they use for different characters like redhood has "activates when acsting a normal attack"

[obsidian harness]

Shift up loves to be
<- this guy

@soft ocean they made PvP channel in maincord jbtw

[tired cradle]

It does

Matter

[dark widget]

so the bullets ahve to hit?

[tired cradle]

You need to hit

Test with mod

If u dont believe me

Just shoot air 200 times

Oh that's hit

Wait i fotgot

Theres someone

[obsidian harness]

Think kosmiu is correct

You just need to shoot

[open sphinx]

when are we getting the boss with the -100 acc

we can test there

[dark widget]

the wording is so weird idk on a smg soldier OW

that matches rh

who doesnt need to hit

the only one i could find with exact match is soldier EG whos also AR wait thats also "normal attack hits"

[tired cradle]

Snipers and RLs dont need to land

Others need to land

Non mgs are hard to test

[dark widget]

ya lol

[tired cradle]

But im seeing my tove lose more stacks in sim

Easy way is to do land eater

Or mother whale

Cus ull miss a lot

[dark widget]

sadly i dont have either of those fights

[tired cradle]

We have diessl

And mod

Both dont count toward S2

If u miss

[dark widget]

both are landing tho

or "hits"

[tired cradle]

Noise S2 doesnt need to hit

[dark widget]

yea thats "attacking with full charge" similar to laplace

thats why im wondering if she can get from miss

[tired cradle]

No

What

They changed it

Gay

[dark widget]

i recorded it

sec

its so hard to find one thats a miss and procs cuz chance on proc

[drowsy scroll]

try shooting a pillar?

shooting a natural obstacle

[dark widget]

i mean terrain definately pops it

but idk if that counts as hit since it does for burst gen

i want a full miss

[vital stump]

have we got calc for max ammo + atk speed for like marciana (and maybe s.anis for fun)?

[open sphinx]

I don't think we have an max ammo+atk speed

but we sure know its not enough to justify 9 ammo sanis off burst

[vital stump]

it's 11 actually 5 base + 2x3 from tove

[dark widget]

i give up ima eat lunch first

[mental veldt]

Skimming this is telling me that she's all flash and no substance.

Buffs take too long to build and drop during burst which cuts your DPS.

Someone said Team 5.

Pull if try hard for raids/shotgun invested.

Called her mid way long ago.

[signal torrent]

sanis doesn't need buffing anyway she has her own team to work with

tove's design buffing all other shotguns is perfect

[soft ocean]

alright

[ripe bridge]

If/when a meta SG eventually comes out, Tove would be necessary. So i guess pull for future-proofing

[hearty silo]

1 copy is future proofed enough too

Sweet 10 pull 1 copy luck

Pray for it

[valid prism]

I will just put her in the wishlist later and stay focused on the end of the year

[random rose]

there's a guy who said the same thing for mast Marci and still doesn't have them

im definitely not guys

if you have the pulls imo and you wanna future proof you should defo pull imho banking on wishlist is kinda greif

[whole jackal]

So I skip and save for wishlist as f2p?

I don't have built shotgun units anyway

Other than noir and naga

And anus

[marsh basin]

1 copy to prevent getting caught with pants down when xludmilla is god tier shotgun dps unit

wishlist cud take months

[valid prism]

Then it will take months no problem, you know that you can do 50 pulls or more without getting the unit or even SSR so saving for now for better units

[marsh basin]

wishlist is fine to rely on for future copies, not the first copy

[marsh basin]

by that logic, u r saving and cud go 50 pulls or more without getting the unit ur saving for

[random rose]

[valid prism]

I will just have more ressources for better units that's all

logic !

[random rose]

now what happens when the better unit is a SG

[marsh basin]

its your account

just saying the exact logic happened for mast

then 2b/s.anis came out

then ppl cudnt run optimal comps the next two SR waiting for mast to come on wishlist

but if you dont care about SR, then its fine saving

[valid prism]

I know that wishlist is not a reliable option but anyway I can't pull on every banners that's all

[cobalt arch]

but that team about to be replace with sg team right?

[marsh basin]

thats fine everyones account is different

more so saying it for ppl who have the resources and think its a skip

cuz mast was a skip based off all the logic ive seen here so far

[marsh basin]

just mast and guillo is falling out of meta rn

but meta is ever changing

so its really just how much resources u got

[valid prism]

sure !

[marsh basin]

if we get a b1 cdr unit that taunts 15 seconds + self heals, then mast and guillo jump back in

it really depends on shiftup

[cobalt arch]

just pull whoever gonna replace top 3, then you will got new top 3 and another decent team 4/5...

[marsh basin]

thinking of it logically, shotgun DPS units (non last bullet related) can only go up from here - p much all suck other than MAYBE sugar

tove's shotgun attack buff/attack speed buff will always be there

[open sphinx]

the floor is very low yes

[marsh basin]

hence, tove has a non zero chance of being meta in the future

[cobalt arch]

need boss with no core and parts to make them shine

[marsh basin]

not necessarily

if they do add a shotgun cdr unit

i would hope its something like volume/liter where it specializes in a certain buff (crit or att)

and that shotgun cdr might have lots of hit rate

100% hit rate shotguns should b machine gun hit rate

[open sphinx]

the boss just needs to be big ennough so you won't miss dps

[marsh basin]

all speculation though

100% hit rate is a laser

doesnt matter on size of boss

[vestal jacinth]

@tired cradle is tove free train?

[open sphinx]

everything is free train if you're brave enough

[cobalt arch]

it not relate to base spread size?

[marsh basin]

someone sent a video of

100% hit rate sugar

from what i can tell its a laser

i forgot who sent it

@dark widget was it u

[cobalt arch]

found it, kinda impressive
mg - base sg - 100% hit rate sg

[wet fulcrum]

I have this pic someone made way back when

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108745639090733127/1111115711725719723/Sem_titulo.png

[lucid warren]

no free train clip

this unit doa

https://tenor.com/view/its-dead-son-love-death-and-robots-its-not-alive-anymore-its-already-dead-it-did-not-survive-gif-22022393

[opaque palm]

well now

12h has passed

is Stove op?

she powercrept modernia?

can i C7 her?

should i donate 500$ to everyone on this channel?

[open sphinx]

she is busted, best dps ever c7 isn't enough her to c14

[opaque palm]

cool cool

[past kite]

I dunno about c7-ing her, but donating $500 to everyone (or just me) sounds like a good idea

[terse rock]

i second this

[opaque palm]

[ripe bridge]

They secretly nerfed hit rate

Now even at the same hitrate, the circles are still much larger, u can test it urself

[wet fulcrum]

Oh yeah did hear people talk about that at some point

[marsh basin]

fr?

[slate ravine]

[neon rock]

[signal torrent]

I smell cap

[opaque palm]

ewww

hit rate nerf

why

[tired cradle]

They changed how Priv works too

Any integer max ammo buff will go thru Privaty ammo reduction

[neon rock]

[carmine isle]

SG laser is 120% hitrate tho

not 100%

this is 120% vs 98.5%

[marsh basin]

hm hit rate is this

👀

[marsh basin]

do u have a 98 vs 100 comparison

[carmine isle]

120.01%

[carmine isle]

its the same

240043 nov4 vs 162455 jan27
basically you need 120% of 250 to be laser
100% is still 50 off

[marsh basin]

why do u have no icon

its tripping me up

[carmine isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1042847625600319558.png?size=64&quality=lossless

[marsh basin]

how to get 120% hit rate

if not combining sugar and noir

[carmine isle]

https://twitter.com/shiromofu250/status/1638094966630285313

simroom gaming

[tired cradle]

Why are elysions so shit

Prolly id swap Blanc for Sakura for now

Tove will probably replace Centi

[marsh basin]

no marci

[tired cradle]

U dont need Marci

If u dont have SW

[icy root]

Do you know what the whole team here is?

[carmine isle]

miranda sugar drake modernia

[still iris]

4/4/4 Tove on Train

Helm variant, a lot slower
don't have built Guilty to test

[lucid warren]

do you have a clip ?

[vestal jacinth]

wait so tove is free train?

[tired cradle]

He didnt say auto btw

[lucid warren]

if the bunnies comp is at like 24k cp below

its actually could be free train

but they look built

[still iris]

i did record Dolla run, had to luck the first turret miss
the bunny run is the usual imdo through the turrets

Sugar , Drake , Noir all have have 3 OLs

felt like we yet need a busted b3 SG dps before Tove team could really pop off
i think the "delaying burst before 3 stacks playstyle" probably won't be ideal on high intensity bosses that require constant bursts too

still skeptical so Tove is 4/4/4
https://youtu.be/ZiIDMuLzJc8?si=aQVEI7aPEOqUt_8K

[lucid warren]

pepejam

[obsidian harness]

Yoo
Sin is back??
Haven't seen you in a while

[still iris]

[lucid warren]

this look like pain train for me

Sugar Drake have no OLs

[tired cradle]

Btw

Tove is fked up

Once u lose 3 stacks

Ur chance of gaining 3 stacks is so fucked up

[marsh basin]

dont u guys got UR to be playing

[lucid warren]

its finished

we rank 1

[marsh basin]

[lucid warren]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-winner-flexing-flex-gif-13941171

[obsidian harness]

90% of mfs here are just tryhards in top 15 unions

[lucid warren]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-rudd-gif-20811199

[marsh basin]

waiting for my hits for an hour

[lucid warren]

f2p doing level 10 hit

[marsh basin]

yea i have the best f2p hands

[trail blade]

Is Tove worth it?

[exotic pulsar]

No

[obsidian harness]

Check pins

Don't listen to this hater

[lucid warren]

no

you prolly will brick your acc trying to make her functional

[marsh basin]

tove is good

praying for two rocks tomorrow

[lucid warren]

what did u get on the head?

[marsh basin]

do u really want to know

[lucid warren]

no ammo = i win

[marsh basin]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-crying-baby-crying-gif-7234455624545360372

[lucid warren]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[granite moat]

How tf u have so many rock n fodder, u OL everyone

[marsh basin]

hes giga whale

thats why

buys out entire shop

[lucid warren]

bruh just slam them

dont optimize them like those SR tryhard

like the austin guy

full ele shiet for top 10

[marsh basin]

83% ele rh

[lucid warren]

[marsh basin]

honestly didnt cost too many rocks

maybe like 8-10

[lucid warren]

Tove will get

4 rocks maxed

imagine chasing all 4 ammo for a cope meta that not materialized yet

[marsh basin]

its a likely meta

shotguns can only go up from here

[lucid warren]

https://tenor.com/view/pikaded-gif-25719770

[marsh basin]

https://tenor.com/view/pikaded-gif-25719770

[open sphinx]

what's breakpoints on the tove s1

4% on 6

[brazen iris]

@tired cradle sorry for ping you here, but when i filter search Elysion, this come up

[obsidian harness]

Yeah, we know redhood appears

It'll be fixed in a later update to the site

Thanks for pointing it out tho

Redhood appears in everything rn

[open sphinx]

thats the prebuff redhood

thats why

[brazen iris]

well, old datamine suggested RH being Elysion

[opaque palm]

nikke info trying to cover up how bad & lacking elysion is

[lunar tide]

Anachiro is shotgun

Sauce:trust me bro

[ripe bridge]

Nayuta actually SG

[neon rock]

Who's Nauyta?

from Chainsaw Man?

[ripe bridge]

The pilgrim with camel 🐪

[neon rock]

Oh

my bad

[lunar tide]

Elysion tower truly cope

Maybe someday

Duo unit meta for elysion like jk or bunny

Gotta save gems for unexpected

[past cradle]

How much ammo does SAnis end up with if she goes to 1 and then gets Tove buff?

[open sphinx]

b2-b3 elysion duo sg dps with water rupee on xmas

trust

[lunar tide]

I hope something like that not limited

[neon rock]

My big cope here is that K would have a natural synergy with D

[random rose]

SU alright we heard you loud and clear :K prevent flying enmies from stunning you

[neon rock]

[mental veldt]

N

[exotic pulsar]

[open sphinx]

so...

[lucid warren]

FreeGd without 4 other meta nikkes

[open sphinx]

not doable without cdr

imho

[random rose]

such is the nature of GD

Summer helm might be faster

GD is lightning

[open sphinx]

summer helm

[hearty silo]

Wondering why they thought a Nikke with hands on fire and looking crazed or in pain made for a great lobby wallpaper

[valid badger]

Cuz badass?

Anyway... I read the pins regarding Tove and she's basically a shotgun niche, right? Is she worth it or can I go well without her and save for other units like during christmas and stuff?

[marsh basin]

pull tove

[opaque palm]

Dunno for you but the happiest wallpaper free always had a dark ass story

If you read survival event so far, the dark side moment is very minimal without saying much

[sterile urchin]

you can wishlist her later or use the 10 pull from the event shop. anyhow, it seems she's won't be exactly a must have anytime soon.
unless they "coincidentially" make one of the xmas nikkes a really strong SG cough cough Ludmila

[neon rock]

[north sluice]

Tove copers when you remind them she can't get pregnant

[opaque palm]

They didnt try many times

[random rose]

why would you want something that terrible for a Nikke

[north sluice]

[lucid warren]

this what im betting on

[hot sapphire]

i got her from 10 pull with gem. so now i can keep the tickets for next event.

[lucid warren]

[hot sapphire]

but ya no point in spending more then 10 pull for her, thou she is better then liter in shotgun team. * i don't see shotgun team being useful in pve till they buff isabel.

[lucid warren]

the current sg are still meh

we are just betting on new banners

[hot sapphire]

ya too bad character wise i really like sugar and drake

drake is an angel

[frail latch]

sg will eventually become viable once they introduce strong SG carry that doesn't rely on last bullet

[prisma compass]

Yup, thats why I pulled

When that unit comes out I wouldn't wanna test my luck on standard

[open sphinx]

I hope that sg comes next banner

[hot sapphire]

drake cant wait

[open sphinx]

wouldn't drake would be the first one get booted from the sg team

[hearty silo]

SG team B3s: Noir, Drake, Sugar, Isabel, Neve, Maiden, Summer Anis

Looks like we’d rather use Noir, Drake, and Sugar

Booting depends on effects of new SG-squad-related Nikke if there are any

If effect is to improve small radius AoE burst damage by a lot and no other type of burst, Drake immediately wins

If effect is to cause bonus damage each time a burst deals damage, Drake also wins and Sugar gets kicked

Drake’s burst hits multiple times (2 or 3)

Never count Drake out until the curtain closes

[lucid warren]

9 more days till we have christmas banner, right on the week of SR Drake is out

[exotic pulsar]

Momo

[lucid warren]

[hot sapphire]

drake is forever

[north sluice]

dr

[neon rock]

https://tenor.com/view/jackass-3d-couch-explosion-gif-25176966

[hot sapphire]

SUGAR PAPA

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074595574067765288/1178936561631506462/IMG_3228.png?ex=6577f53b&is=6565803b&hm=125d11dc6359f161c5d4d706ec6eed5edf60dda651802f8789068631395828c1&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074595574067765288/1178937889174859817/image0.jpg?ex=6577f678&is=65658178&hm=d3b0a17c78f73fc8326d61516105277eb164f858f4c07fd39f45284c84e050eb&

[obsidian harness]

Wow!

[umbral acorn]

Holy fuck thats like machine gun in disguise

[exotic pulsar]

All that for a fraction of rh

And that viper buff only once isn't it

[obsidian harness]

You're trolling right?

Trying to compare someone to Rh is unfair

Regardless
It's also comparing to modernia

[exotic pulsar]

Remind me who is getting more buff in this team again.

Also his modernia is 62k

His sugar is 74k

And modernia is still doing more

[obsidian harness]

The mathematical calculations for hitrate are

Max from OL gear: 14.63 × 4 = 58.52
From modernia: 8.56
From hitrate cube: 5.09

From Noir's burst: 13.93+11.61 for 30s
Or
From sugar's burst: 33%

Hence, the highest possible hitrate is during sugar's burst, if noir had a burst before: 58.52+33+8.56+5.09+11.61=116.68% hitrate

How is 113% achieved

[exotic pulsar]

Bunny

[obsidian harness]

Huh

You can either burst with noir or sugar

Sugar self rate is higher

[exotic pulsar]

Hit rate cube?

[nimble moth]

noir's second part of her burst lasts for 30s, so you can get that and sugar burst at the same time

[obsidian harness]

Ohh

[exotic pulsar]

But in video it's first burst

2:56

[obsidian harness]

Which means it wasn't 113% ofc

[nimble moth]

good to know you don't need 113 to get what looks like full core hit rate at medium range

[exotic pulsar]

Which means 100% hit rate already does it

Anything over is just for show

[nimble moth]

oh, he's getting viper effect for the first burst

[exotic pulsar]

Yes

[nimble moth]

so you'd still want noir burst for anything past that

[exotic pulsar]

Also his modernia is not good

[obsidian harness]

So the actual highest possible is 116.68%

[obsidian harness]

U need 113% for reticle to go away

[exotic pulsar]

I dunno how many retries he did to get that 3 stack

[exotic pulsar]

But in video it's already gone isn't it

[obsidian harness]

Viper buff

[exotic pulsar]

Oh

Only once

Isn't it

[nimble moth]

that's why I said you need noir for anything after that

[obsidian harness]

Viper 11.13 once, yeah

[obsidian harness]

Yeah thanks

[exotic pulsar]

Th

This reminds me of 2b teams a whole team just dedicated to buff 2b

But this one uses bunny

[obsidian harness]

Mathematical calculations for highest possible hitrate

• Max from OL gear: 14.63 × 4 = 58.52% with 100% uptime
• From modernia: 8.56% for 15s at start of FB
• From hitrate cube: 5.09 with 100% uptime
• From Noir's burst: 13.93% for 10s+11.61% for 30s
  From sugar's burst: 33% for 15s

Hence, the highest possible hitrate is during sugar's burst, if noir had a burst before: 58.52+33+8.56+5.09+11.61=116.68% hitrate

At 113%, the reticle vanishes, which means you can perfectly core hit all the time with all 10 pellets hitting, and substantially increase your damage with sugar!

Should I pin in this thread or nah
Cuz it's kinda related to tove's only partner for now

[exotic pulsar]

Ofc

[nimble moth]

she can partner with sanis fine too, the damage increase is still sizable