[Snow White: Innocent Days] New Unit Megathread

[dense obsidian]

how would smollwhite tackle that pack of rapture

[quartz parrot]

A2 with her own charge speed attacks once every 0.64s

[dense obsidian]

so 2.56

to kill a pack

[quartz parrot]

wait, smol white does 59.1% of her ATK per second

on burst mode

yeah, A2 wins by a big margin

[dense obsidian]

oh wow

[quartz parrot]

A2 does like 9x smol white's s2 dps

for screen clear

[dense obsidian]

shieet

cant cope anymore

[quartz parrot]

I haven't put in smol white's s1

idk how that would work

affect enemies in attack range

what

[dense obsidian]

just think of it as a2 aoe maybe

[quartz parrot]

so it only affect enemies of the same region (near/middle/far) as the current enemy she's attacking?

she's AR, what AOE

[dense obsidian]

prrolly barrage

[quartz parrot]

how big is the barrage AOE is the question though

[dense obsidian]

let me see ingame

[quartz parrot]

smol white s1: 180% of ATK as average damage per second while bursting
smol white s2: 59% of ATK as average damage per second while bursting

[dense obsidian]

bruh

its just a tiny ass missle

from the sky

[quartz parrot]

still beaten by A2 which deals 492% of ATK per second on b mode+s1

ok, abandon all cope

[dense obsidian]

[quartz parrot]

did modernia simple math for fun, damn, she does 835% of ATK per second ST damage
still not close to alice+gaming chair but less ammo restriction, no burst required and haven't taken into account the 100% core hit

[dense obsidian]

she is way too strong

i cant take her off in any of my current comps for pve

How big is burst7 to burs10 @quartz parrot

For modernia

Im considering it now

Cuz i constantly need to burst her

[quartz parrot]

it’s +0.12% of ATK I think

only +0.04% per level

but you times it by 60 and no of targets getting hit

[dense obsidian]

Bruh

Why all my cope fade

[quartz parrot]

i don’t remember, I’m eating lunch

wait, I think it’s +0.08% of atk per level

[dense obsidian]

Ok enjoy, and thank for the mayh

Math

[quartz parrot]

level 10 is 12% more dps than level 7 burst

[dense obsidian]

Ayo

Now we talking

Ok im going for it

[astral pewter]

You’re going for max Smol White?

[dense obsidian]

No modernia burst

Smollwhite provide no value for me

As Probie stated

[quartz parrot]

in practice, that 12% dps translate into probably 7 or 8% less time to kill for modernia

and the rest of the team

[dense obsidian]

Ye i need that clutch moment

Im hitting wall now

[astral pewter]

I’m confused

[dense obsidian]

[astral pewter]

Going for it as in mixing Modernia and Smol White on same team?

[astral pewter]

This

[dense obsidian]

Well modernia is core dps now

Im seeing if smollwhite can provide aoe as sub dps

[quartz parrot]

nah we first discussed smol white’s potential for campaign, but then we compared smolwhite vs a2 and she falls flat

a2 is way better

[astral pewter]

Ah

[dense obsidian]

But the more i see it, the more she is supar to other options

[astral pewter]

What kind of wall are you looking at, what chapter?

[dense obsidian]

18-15

Where there is damage reduction elites

Its giving trouble for the tianaga rh

But i dont want to use alice

[astral pewter]

Ouch, that stage

Found a video to remind me

Good luck, you might end up waiting a few weeks

[dense obsidian]

[tropic maple]

smol white bad

[dense obsidian]

#1167462163527499928 message

[astral pewter]

Nice!

[sharp zodiac]

snow white or smol white?

[quartz parrot]

snow white, for the pierce multi hit shenanigans

smol white does 680% of her own ATK per second on ST damage (from all skills, s1 and s2) while bursting
scarlet does 704% of her own ATK per second at all times (no bursting needed)

[sharp zodiac]

damn

[blazing patio]

Smolwhite and Harran who do more dmg? I want another b3 to put up the dmg

(in tower)

[raven turret]

harran does more dps when aoe

but smolwhite better single target dps

[final seal]

Harran always work really well in certain stage cuz, she pierce + virus aoe

[astral pewter]

I just realized Smol White is a Maxwell wannabe

They both create weapons and stuff

[candid heron]

Eh... ish.

Smol White appears to lean more towards conventional weapons an expanding their application. She's a Small Arms Repairman.

Maxwell appears to be wanting to push the limits of weapons.

Likely why Maxwell uses beam weapons while SM uses ballistics.

Its lkely that Maxwell created Laplace's gun.

Drake uses a Shotgun because Villain needs to be the opposite.

Or because a sniper and rocket launcher are, in theory, weaker against close range enemies.

[low echo]

Another possible reason might be technology? Its been 100 year gap so ark technology might be more advance compared to goddess era so MW hav more newer toy to play with compared to SW

[ebon roost]

Is she good enough to compete with maybe say like harran in terms of mobbing in campaign

[dense obsidian]

yes i think so

[raven turret]

Imo no

Harran is superb bro

Too good for campaign

Swid can't compete

But she's better for bosses

[astral spire]

hey is there gonna be a smol white analysis on nikke dot gg

[raven turret]

@marble pivot

He's asking if you care about the irrelevant one

[marble pivot]

uh

yeah sure

thumbs up

oh sorry

let me compile all the information here

[dense obsidian]

Not a good test but it is what it is

[frail forum]

[astral pewter]

The free MLB Smol Snow is from:

1. Anniversary Gift (log in, get, win)
2. 3rd daily logins gift in Red Ash
3. Clearing Story 2
4. Clearing Story 2 Hard (locked atm)

Right?

[candid heron]

I don't know about 4

[raven turret]

Yes

[raven turret]

3. is Story 2 normal, you get it from challenges

4. is story 2 hard mode I believe

So yep, that's all

Don't think story 1 gave anything?

[astral pewter]

Changed it to story 2 then, np

[raven turret]

Can anyone confirm if these balls can be killed by snowwhite?

Since she's made for projectile clearing

I seem to be unable to test this currently

[twilit orbit]

those are the hit count ones right?

[raven turret]

Yes

[candid heron]

Smoll white best ball crusher?

[mild moth]

that's meant to be her role yes

[raven turret]

I still haven't confirmed if snowwhite kills these balls with her skill tho

[brave marlin]

You think smol white would of been meta if she was an MG user?

[sage valve]

@marble pivot smol white tier when?

[marble pivot]

Updating other stuff!

sorry

[sage valve]

All good just wondering

[marble pivot]

Tribe tower compositions and Team composition page

looking really dusty

[sage valve]

big updates

[astral pewter]

Wait why is there no Red Hood?

[raven turret]

Rh is SSS

[red python]

can confirm she clears all the bombs as long as she procs her skill 2 twice aka 100 landed bullets. here's 1 minute of 1/1/1 smol white vs bombs (without smw's burst).

[raven turret]

This is so huge

Smolwhite actually clutch as hell

@red python thank you!

Modernia is not needed now for hard campaign
Smolwhite is an alright alt

More than just alright considering her dmg output is decent as hell

[cyan magnet]

50 times each object?

[twilit orbit]

from the vid it seems like he means total shots fired by snow white's AR, but I can't tell if S1 or S2 is clearing them with hit spam or a combination

would be nice to know the hit count of each

[mild moth]

small aoe - skill 1

missiles all over screen - skill 2

[astral pewter]

So was it the small AoE, or missiles all over screen, that dispatched the hit count projectiles?

Oh, seems like it’s the missiles all over screen from skill 2 that dispatched the hit count projectiles

That’s pretty awesome, such a sneaky thing

How does it even do that in two S2 procs when a sniper rifle blows a coronary trying to down one?

Oh, it’s a very large number of small hits… it spammed a lot of 1 dmg hits on them

[raven turret]

Yeah

Not only that, this also helps against those stupid healing raptures

With a hitcount shield

[astral pewter]

Can this be

[raven turret]

Smolwhite good

Modernia is no longer 1000% necessary

[astral pewter]

We can actually bring Modernia AND Smol White to experience comfort and leisure strolls through hit count stages?

[raven turret]

Indeed

Modernia and smolwhite is overkill but

Yeah

[astral pewter]

Remember the stages that throw 3 glass shield healers, and a billion small healers, along with a heavy armor rapture boss?

And gives you 30 seconds to kill the heavy armor rapture boss?

I think at least on those the 3 glass shield healers can actually die, for once, before reaching critical time remaining

[raven turret]

I think smolwhite will be good if somehow you need a

3rd team for plate

In UR

And have used up modernia/alice

I guess

[candid heron]

Snow White is Engineer

[dense obsidian]

Overloaded worthy?

[raven turret]

No

[dense obsidian]

Fk u then she not good

[raven turret]

If you lack stuff like Sanis, 2b, a2

Then yes

She is OL worthy

[astral pewter]

I’d OL her if I had spare Pilgrim Attacker to use on something sentimental

[raven turret]

[astral pewter]

But there’s no function to strip a character naked and transfer gear to the next great new Pilgrim attacker

[raven turret]

I just want the
First 9 words added

[ruby robin]

I mean… thats what the mod channel is for

Also, i suppose it will be very difficult to justify OL-ing small white, because you probably have 3-4 pilgrim attackers that you’ll want to OL before her…. And most people i know dont even have 3 full sets unless they whaled the selector box

[astral pewter]

I’m kinda blessed then. Full OL Scarlet, full OL Modernia, full OL Snow White, full OL Red Hood, and now I’m only missing Pilgrim Attacker Body for a fifth full OL’d Pilgrim Attacker. I still have spares of the other slots

Only took almost a year of farming Interception EX

[dense obsidian]

Im doing it

Need sometime to get the skills ready, prolly 2 more events

[dense obsidian]

Feel like she is major key to break 19-15 mega wall here

Going to hold off sync up a bit to see

Her aoe check out for small rapture

Her massive clip check out for shield boss

This must be it

[ruby robin]

Sounds about right, 8 month in, i am 1 pilgrim arm away from my 4th full set, and i am missing another arm and shoe for my 5th, so 1 year of SI farming sounds about right

Unless ofc if i decided to cheat by buying selector boxes

Also a mate i know have gone in OLing her just for hard campaign purposes

[raven turret]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/innocent-dayss-snow-white

[candid heron]

Why does it call her limited?

[quartz parrot]

you can't get her original copy anymore after the event

shop only sells dupes

[golden ether]

Ah yes, Smol white and SW in the same S tier

[astral pewter]

How does this compute? B, B, D, but S & S overall?

Making me have to click the link to see the reasoning

Oh

The story early/late were for the top bars

So it was S & S story, got it

Meh

I should’ve tapped the image first, Discord cropped off the other labels

[tropic maple]

smol white sucks

[dense obsidian]

Godroll Pog

[astral pewter]

Well, what do you know. Sometimes the game is kind to me

[dense obsidian]

Bro what are those 1 1 1

[raven turret]

Black balls

The hitcount

Projectiles

[dense obsidian]

I knowww its supposed to deal some damage?

Not 1

[raven turret]

No

Those projectiles will be dealt one damage no matter who you hit them with

[dense obsidian]

Ohhhh i see

Ok ok hope remains

[red python]

mother whale this solo raid. i think swid can be a good alternative to doro in healing with hitcount mobs.
well, i think higher levelers will just murder the mobs or kill the core before the buff is applied.

[dense obsidian]

ye not realistic approach for both high sync and low sync

swid remains mid

[cyan magnet]

?

no shit

SWid will oneshot all those waves

and since her damage is skill% based

its not affected by dmg distance

[dense obsidian]

This remains to be seen

I dont see it yet so she still mid

Like she barely tickle shiet here

1ol 4/5/4 92k atk (mod 94k, scar 98k)

Will see if its improved at 10/10/10 full Ol upgrade

[thorn crater]

mod just get deleted

[dense obsidian]

Ofc this me mega wall 19-15

[thorn crater]

yes

I'm there

I'm feeling the pain

I hate the stun guys when they come in pairs

[cyan magnet]

U forgot that MW mobs are hitcount?

?????

[dense obsidian]

bruh who care about motherwhale mobs, at high sync no one would use smollwhite cuz they rush that bish down filthy fast, at low sync maybe not alot of nikke maybe yeah (this is where i am wrong)

[dense obsidian]

[thorn crater]

wrong sw

[mild moth]

isn't it union raid?

[raven turret]

yes

[rain mortar]

Yeah it's in union raid again

[dense obsidian]

fk is this

[astral pewter]

After a tiring day of repairing and fixing weapons, Smol White too needs to recharge

[dense obsidian]

566 3ol lv0

She barely tickle those 3 suicide bombers

A cope investment

[astral pewter]

Is she really shooting things for 1 damage after full burst wore off?

Seems like she came to the fight woefully underpowered compared to rest of team

Something like, Red Hood is MCB with full OLs and 46% attack effects from them, but this Smol White is MLB with 3 OLs Lv0 and she only got charge speed effects

Because otherwise why after Full Burst ended, Smol White regular shots are 1 damage but rest of team is causing clear damage to the same final kamikaze Rapture?

[thorn crater]

please tell me they are a hitcount bombers

and she is not dealing real 1 dmg to it

[dense obsidian]

They are not hitcount bomber

[dense obsidian]

I mean she got 93k atk and modernia has 94k

She supposed to hit >1 right

Will do it again after get her ol to lv3 then

Cuz even without more lv on gears she supposed to contribute sth to the fight

[thorn crater]

doomed

[dense obsidian]

Just to see her impact on a high decifit stage (35%)

If her investment is like above and she contribute little to nothing outside of burst (even during burst she barely does anything) what make her offburst do anything

And her selling point is those rockets from s2

Lets say now it deals that much to the bombers during burst (66 s2 and burst), i wouldnt rely on her to make sure those small cheaky raptures die

At 10/10

[astral pewter]

The 93k and 94k is with OL gear’s ATK effects included?

[dense obsidian]

No only core, iirc mod has 4atk% line

[astral pewter]

… why aren’t you considering that to be the issue?

[dense obsidian]

But listen, do I really have to reroll smoll ol to make her even function?

[astral pewter]

Snow White: 93,000 ATK, 0% effects from OL

Does 1 dmg hits on -35% deficit stage

Modernia: 94,000 ATK, and also 4% atk effect from OL

Does “not” 1 dmg hits on -35% deficit stage but still low damage

Conclusion: Smol White with 1k less attack and no attack% plus not considering that Modernia also self-buffs herself to have 25% more atk if she has some kind of hit rate buff/ol effect… outside of full burst

Comparison is kind of flawed, I don’t remember Smol White self buffing any atk% either outside of full burst

[dense obsidian]

Yes so i was just seeing her damage during full burst

On the bombers

U think with like 2 more Lines atk%, burst and s2 coming up a bit more

She is reliable to take care of those raptures in time?

Cuz thats her selling point

S2

[raven turret]

That S2 is meant for projectile for a reason

[astral pewter]

What were her skills?

[raven turret]

And not for mobs

[astral pewter]

5-6-6?

Hmm if it was all 10s Snow White would be self buffing around 118%+ attack during full burst

[dense obsidian]

Ye

[astral pewter]

Actually no

One is “attack %” other is “attack damage %”, it’s 97% or so attack % buff and other is 21% attack damage buff

[dense obsidian]

But burst % scales pretty well with level

[astral pewter]

Meanwhile Modernia has 29% attack % buff (I thought it was 25%, oops) and a few other modifiers on hit

Hmm…

Seems like Snow White should’ve been able to overcome the difference during full burst, but her S2 proc was still low damage… ah but I think I know why

If defense is flat and a multitude of low damage hits like the S2 proc is defended against simply by subtraction (someone please check this, I’m no math guru here) of each individual hit

[dense obsidian]

So i still going to upgrade it

But mind you she received RH steroid treatment during full burst and this is c6 rh

She is supposed to pack punch 🤜

[astral pewter]

That means Smol White S2 proc got absolutely screwed here for dealing damage even though her basic shooting was OK at the time during full burst

Simple example, let’s make up numbers to illustrate the problem -

Nikke deals 1k damage on a shot. Rapture defends against 200 damage.
Total damage received: 800.

Nikke deals 1k damage over 4 hits dividing the damage into 250 per hit. Rapture defends against 200 damage each hit.
Total damage received: 200.

S2 proc isn’t one blow of damage. It’s many small hits (which is how two procs of it can destroy hit count projectiles). Possibly Smol White’s S2 proc per hit does less damage than per basic shot?

[dense obsidian]

Who said she is a mini modernia?

I rmb someone said it here isnt it u

[raven turret]

I said she's the best replacement for modernia when you need to clear those bullshit hitcount projectiles

Cuz that's why modernia, and in general machine guns, are so badly needed for ch19 and above

You are literally forced to use mg/smg type nikkes

Without modernia

[dense obsidian]

[raven turret]

https://youtu.be/cDWQkyCTfzs?si=mOFZdKzUIXOMdWDc

Case in point

This is FFUU, he shared this a while ago

[astral pewter]

It’s actually somewhat disappointing to see CP deficit stat neutering impact Smol White so badly though

[raven turret]

Well multiplier is shit, das why

[raven turret]

Instead of diesel and soline, I would just need to run snowwhite

With modernia
At 107k you can reach nihilister but he just cleared 20-15

[raven turret]

Actually
I think it's just investment issue

Snowwhite shouldn't be doing this low dps

An Atk buff is needed to put her atk value over enemy Def value

[dense obsidian]

This mtfk about to jebait me into higher investment while i already see whats coming

[raven turret]

You're trying to get her S2 to kill mobs

[astral pewter]

I’ve got some ATK to sell you for cheap gems wink wink

[raven turret]

Which is kinda crazy

She isn't meant to kill mobs with her projectile clearing ability

[dense obsidian]

Because thats only her selling point

Should have listened to Austin

[astral pewter]

35% deficit though

Is that something commanders should target?

[raven turret]

Her selling point is her projectile clearing ability
Thats it

Everything else she does is worse than what others usually do
Her single target DPS is lower than the metas

So that can clearly not be a selling point

[dense obsidian]

no but this is c4 sw, so think about other commander who push at 25-30% with bad smollwhite

now we kinda see the picture here

% wise how much she contributes

[astral pewter]

The thing is even Modernia would be terrible if all she hit for was 1 dmg

[dense obsidian]

others must be crazy to even overload their smollwhite

[astral pewter]

Unless whole fight was hit count defense…

[dense obsidian]

if modernia hit for 1 damage u better afk at that point

[astral pewter]

And if you replaced your Modernia with a squad ATK buffer like Privaty it’d just be worse because squad CP would drop due to less investment in Privaty, right?

[dense obsidian]

yes, and realistical speaking no one would do that, Swid need to fit somewhere in meta comp

[raven turret]

Which she can't

Unless, like
Can swid take down motherwhale hitcount Bois?

Maybe in mw raid 2.0, she'll be meta..?

[astral pewter]

Was just thinking of having you produce a comparison video where Smol White had % more ATK than the original video, and seeing how much more damage she dealt to the same kamikaze Raptures with S2 procs in full burst

[dense obsidian]

now u speaks like Kisenix

[astral pewter]

That’s why, but there’s no way to unless you can maintain same CP deficit when replacing Modernia

[raven turret]

I'm indicating it's copium

[astral pewter]

Drake, Privaty, anyone…that has ATK buff for Smol White during full burst S2 procs

[dense obsidian]

i can make smollwhite has higher cp than modernia

[raven turret]

Iz not about CP
Is about atk stat

[dense obsidian]

they only have 4k cp difference

they like next to each other

like 2 bish

[astral pewter]

Noir works actually

Stick Noir in instead of Modernia and try same fight again, Noir would increase Smol White’s ATK by 14% or so of Noir’s ATK stat

Maxwell also works if she’d buff Smol White but she’ll probably target Red Hood and herself (RIP)

[dense obsidian]

juratus

[astral pewter]

Do that and see if Smol White starts to shred the kamikaze Raptures with S2 procs in full burst (make sure Noir isn’t injured)

[dense obsidian]

dont go down that path

wake up

[astral pewter]

The idea is testing…

[dense obsidian]

i wouldnt dare bringing noir here

she is like 30% decifit or below material at this point

[astral pewter]

Isn’t she higher power than Modernia in that roster sort?

[dense obsidian]

By 2k

its not a cp problem at this point

[astral pewter]

Anyways, it’s fine if you’d rather not try it, I was curious

[dense obsidian]

i swapped stuffs around depend on stages and cp could go up down 10k

[astral pewter]

Missing the point, I was looking to test adding more atk to Smol White and seeing if it dramatically improved her handling of the enemy with S2 procs

Without wildly swinging the CP deficit and accidentally having that taint the testing

Modernia: Does not buff Smol White atk at all

Noir: Buffs it

[dense obsidian]

i will revisit that test when i get s2 and burst higher on smollwhite

[astral pewter]

I’d test myself if I had the conditions but I don’t… the issues of full clearing hard and towers

[dense obsidian]

nothing else to play

[astral pewter]

I could test in Pilgrim tower but it’s so slow

2 unlocks a week

[dense obsidian]

snorting core too much

[tawdry python]

Once again an AoE char sucks at AoE

[dense obsidian]

even anti-projectile is not her strongest point, she can barely clear blacksmith bomb without heavy support from other nikkes, can argue just shoot them but, others dont even need to shoot (mod can just flick)

[thorn crater]

I wish she had bonus dmg against projectiles

on one of her skills

[tropic maple]

smol

white

sucks

[thorn crater]

don't say that

she is my only option for the hit-counts

[tropic maple]

think of it this way

if she's not even used in the iron weak SR

shes prob DOA

p much any AR and SG shud get a dink in their score for their weapon type

[sage valve]

eh tbf, no hitcounts required on ultra

mother whale up next though I think

@tropic maple

[dense obsidian]

SR boss never rerun before

u are looking at UR whale

[opal elk]

She does a pretty good job of it, yeah

I have an account that's at Ch 21 boss and have tested with both red and blue CP. In red, she kind of struggles (if I don't manually target with her, the second/third mob waves can manage to kill someone). In blue, no problem

I'm going to be recommending her for my weaker union members, especially those lacking Mod

[tropic maple]

oh

swid is a good name

instead of smol white

[thorn crater]

smoll white is best

[sage valve]

^

[thorn crater]

uhhh guys

noir/drake did a better job on the hitcount shields

compared to smoll white

[raven turret]

That's not possible broski

Or is it

If all pellets connect is it 10 bullets?

Then range is the only factor

[thorn crater]

idk, noir was faster to clear the hit shield compared to smoll white

But the enemy was in a closer range

[dense obsidian]

@astral pewter i realize a nikke need to meet certain atk stat to actually hit sth decent in high decifit? My Quiry at 345 hit everything for 1 damage

[astral pewter]

Yes, it’s because after Nikke ATK is neutered by the power deficit penalty, what little ATK left is then subtracted by enemy defense on every hit

[dense obsidian]

God bless all the atk lines on modernia

[barren axle]

The hell is that music

[dense obsidian]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[barren axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968098119717904433/1178118478465618021/502009f8-7dab-4fc9-a391-24dfa362e9a6.gif?ex=6574fb55&is=65628655&hm=9f88bd24fd8e8d872928d85e936b7750fc3bc9bee44ec91379678f60826f6e45&

[raven turret]

https://nikke.gg/snow-white-innocent-dreams-guide/

[zenith merlin]

Thanks

[solemn nimbus]

Disney channel was playing in the background

Chill

[raven turret]

.

[tropic maple]

someoen figure this shit out or we gun have a problem

[raven turret]

Its figured out

[spare spoke]

as low spender who likes SR I'm crying

Each new SR they are adding a new mvp