#[Naga] New Unit Megathread

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copper reef
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how is it a dps loss

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look at s. helm's skill 2 lol

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no 3rd b3 is ever gonna outdmg s. helm's skill 2 into iron weak boss

faint gazelle
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Good on paper

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You do more damage by running modernia there

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Or yulha

copper reef
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yulha def not

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modernia obviously but then ur wasting modernia on that team

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u cant just stack all ur b3s like that

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its why u dont see alice sw modernia stacked together on a team

faint gazelle
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Id rather run sHelm elsewhere

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She doesn't even need iron teammates

copper reef
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🤷‍♂️

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if they r iron weak

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snow white is best into that boss

faint gazelle
# copper reef yulha def not

Iirc it is. skyjlv has a video on it, and I think yulha had better results (might be wrong have to check but that what I remember).

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Youre talking a SR or UR situation?

copper reef
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🤦‍♂️

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solo raid

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sky gave up on the sw yulha tech months ago

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while sin was running it

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then when solo raid teams started getting displayed

faint gazelle
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Then I stand by running novel and sHelm together is a waste

copper reef
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everyone hopped back on

faint gazelle
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Idk how's that relevant. Testing has no bias wdym

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Numbers are numbers bro

copper reef
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sky didnt even know to burst sw second lol

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until later on

faint gazelle
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Still not relevant

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All that matters is having the buffs up and compare the numbers

copper reef
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all im saying is your citing a player who doesnt know what they r doing/talking about till after the fact

faint gazelle
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Why tf does it matter as long as he did the testing with all relevant buffs?

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Why do you care about the player bro

copper reef
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i dont even know what you are arguing wtih me about rn

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is it about novel shelm being together?

faint gazelle
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Authority fallacy man

faint gazelle
copper reef
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i never said i didnt like him

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i said he didnt know what he was doing/saying

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and ur citing his numbers as gospel

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i dont even know why ur getting so maldy

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u @'ed me here just to mald

faint gazelle
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Idk I only got maldy over you dismissing the testing

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He's using the same game as we do

faint gazelle
copper reef
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he tested 4/10/4 yulha vs 4/10/4 s. helm into an iron weak boss for 3 minutes?

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or just ran numbers on a spreadsheet

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ill bite and check this testing out

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hope its not solo sw testing deadge

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my guess is either 1. he didnt test that scenario i said or 2. he tested solo sw, which then of course yulha s2 wud result in more dmg since 90% > 28%

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option 2 is obviously a solo carry comp where all the dmg is coming in on snow white burst, ignoring everyone else on the team

faint gazelle
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Wdym by solo sw?

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No other buffers?

copper reef
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sw surrounded by 4 buffers/non big 5 dps

faint gazelle
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I think he did test it. Still have to check though

copper reef
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i find it highly unlikely he tested

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liter novel sw max s. helm

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no reason to test that

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once u put liter and max in there

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its no longer solo sw

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its a duo carry comp

faint gazelle
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Why wdym
You telling me you don't dislike the guy but you clearly have a bias against him

copper reef
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wut r u even saying lmao

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im saying

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how can it be possible he tested liter novel sw max s. helm

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into an iron weak boss

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on s. helm release

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did he just have one lying around?

faint gazelle
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UR

copper reef
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because the way you are talking is like this is an actual boss run and not a spreadsheet

faint gazelle
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Had 2 iron weak bosses

copper reef
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do u know the day he tested it?

faint gazelle
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Lemme check and I'll share the quick summary vid

copper reef
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im trying to give you the benefit of the doubt if u can just tell me a day or days to look at

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happy to admit im wrong

faint gazelle
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You can check the vod where it comes from if you want deadge

copper reef
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yea but do u have 1 or 2 days

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so i dont have to click every vod

faint gazelle
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Before anything I just want to say that my point is not that yulha is definitely better than her (as I dont remember the absolute conclusions) just that sHelm might be better off on other teams where you have units that may take more advantage of the perma up buff: any constant damage dealer like modernia/ scarlet, instead of sw max where dmg comes mainly from burst

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Heres the vid

hidden prawn
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imagine questioning wet badonkers

copper reef
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no hard feelings

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when i threw the team out there

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its not like final final

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just had 5 irons deadge

faint gazelle
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Date is 08/10

copper reef
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the comp i threw out doesnt even make sense since it has no healer so wud just die

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which i specifically said right after typing it

faint gazelle
icy whale
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Is better to save for Naga or Tia or pull for Marciana? (i need good units to advance on Campaing, i've heard Naga is the best one of the 3 that is right?)

faint gazelle
icy whale
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Good ansewer, thanks kekw

copper reef
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wait @faint gazelle

icy whale
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But which is better? Naga or Tia?

copper reef
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start the vid at 9:40

faint gazelle
icy whale
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.....damn

faint gazelle
icy whale
copper reef
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@faint gazelle he said literally waht i said

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at 10:59 too

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1 carry = yulha obviously wins

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his earlier number is just snap shotting sw burst # with yulha buff vs s. helm buff

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90% > 28%

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but what matters is total damge over 3 min

faint gazelle
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Ohh ok. Hadn't check the vid in a long time deadge
Gotta give it to you thumbsupanis

copper reef
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also need to keep in mind that yulha s2 only buffs sw, not maxwell

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but s. helm buffs them both

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regardless both of these comps are ass since no healing/sustain

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marciana tech incoming

warped valve
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just be at synchro 400+ playing UR

copper reef
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its also a complete waste running liter + s. helm

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too much cdr

faint gazelle
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Ye

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Imagine if the first iron weak boss is GD wahahaha

icy whale
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we don't have too much cdr we simply don't have enough burst generation

copper reef
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pepehmmm quantum relic lv 10 is what ur saying?

icy whale
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we need more cdr + burst gen then isabel can finally pop off

faint gazelle
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She could be good if only her dmg taken debuff wasn't tied to burst/multiplier was higher/debuff lasted longer

icy whale
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no just have more meaningful b1 and b2 that we'll cycle through faster

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could easily be good

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your scope is fixated on isabel

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you need to expand your mind

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think team wide

hidden prawn
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what are you talking about

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its nikke goddess of victory aka pilgrim usage or gtfo

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the second we got a meta B2 pilgrim, everyone will just talk about doro/B2 pilgrim/scar/mod/snow in every content, team 1 2 3 UR and still copy it on team 1 2 3 4 5 SR

copper reef
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whos elizabeth

hidden prawn
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who?

somber crest
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This server is dead without homies gartrix and kisenix

minor walrus
hallow scroll
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rip kisenix

atomic jay
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wait, what happened to them?

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gartrix and kisenix?

copper reef
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Ppl were too toxic to kisenix smh my head

hidden prawn
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oh so he left

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cuz dude was cool

atomic jay
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alright, how about gatrix?

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why he left though?

brave holly
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even if you think you're being a funny person

unborn socket
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He is still here with us, at least in my heart and destinychild discord

warped valve
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gatrix kept using the word naga naughtily

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kisenix is still here but he’s sick atm so he’s not going schizo

unborn socket
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naga what

hidden prawn
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you know...

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naga

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before naga existed

unborn socket
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mr.iProbie pls join dc discord

woven blaze
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what wrong with her name?NovelThink

unborn socket
warm valley
unborn socket
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i find a way to bypass

warm valley
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but if you dont get the context of how it could potentially be bad you're actually a really good person

unborn socket
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the system

warm valley
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so its better if you never konw

hidden prawn
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like saying "phuq" you

woven blaze
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💀 now i get it, damn

hidden prawn
unborn socket
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need to delete the evidence

hidden prawn
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oh noes

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its the time of the month

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launcher updates everywhere

warped valve
unborn socket
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he even has the hideout unlike mr.kisenix

silent stirrup
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No I must not this is a seiso server

abstract oar
foggy nexus
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So are we forced to roll both schoolgirls so they're good

foggy nexus
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I had hope for a second that wasn't the case...

atomic jay
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please don't ban me DrakeScream

maiden zinc
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Bro they will be well over 18 ,these kid who keeps failing high school wtf

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Not mentioning their previous age on human body

hallow scroll
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All the nikkes are definitely 3000 year old dragon or something I dunno

autumn ice
silent stirrup
sharp horizon
maiden zinc
plush horizon
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Liter:

copper reef
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dam new unit threads really dead without kisenix

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our gordon ramsay is gone not cooking

abstract oar
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2B and A2 really raised standards for research lab

Prepare to be disappointed

maiden zinc
faint gazelle
warm valley
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most likely 2

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cause if they were next week, they would be in the event patch notes

copper reef
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i thought in 9ish days

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is tia or naga banner

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then next one 7 days after

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just so they can get them both in before solo raids to force whales to core 7

warm valley
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That would be smart too

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But no tweet or anything about them

copper reef
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the tweet probably in 5 days?

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isnt the tweet usually 4-5 days b4 banner drop usually

warped valve
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marci hard mode still not yet unlocked so there’s still time

faint gazelle
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Why would it be 2 weeks?
It makes more sense if they put them right when marci event and banner ends, which is in 9 days

copper reef
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If they want to make money itll be in 9 days

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Whales foaming at the mouth to pull

warm valley
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i jsut realized what i was asying lol

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i was thinking 2 weeks in terms of the event ending

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i think by time the event ends we'll get the twins so we'll have this week gap between

silent stirrup
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Just release them now man

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Revive research lab

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Our goat Kise will return

minor walrus
hallow scroll
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No fast tapping 24/7? shame

minor walrus
hallow scroll
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what chapter is this even?

minor walrus
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Just one of the hard stage

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Alice wall stage CluelessChatting

maiden zinc
minor walrus
maiden zinc
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Bruhhh

atomic jay
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or just make the fart rapture into a bigger boss version

minor walrus
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oh i found out that

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the fart rapture doesnt have core

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enjoy the fart

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sorry fake news it does have oppsie

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holy shieet

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tricky situation

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Tianaga help A2 alot, A2 isnt really core hitter
scarlet bad at hitting core at far distance
modernia good at hitting core but she will burst eventually with tianaga
alice is the only good option but without gaming chair her performance drop a bit

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so i just assume the core buff is tiny addition to their kit during story mode

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still think anniversary nikke is a complement to tianaga either at burst I likely (chime?) or Burst III i have no idea who, but an MG/AR that effectively use Tianaga kit even in story mode

atomic jay
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that sound better than Tianaga

minor walrus
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bro

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it sounds better to be

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TiaaaaaaNaga

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Nagatia is like 2 words

atomic jay
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Tiaga

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huehuehue

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Nagatia vs Tianaga
Civil war broke out in NIKKE's discord KEKL

maiden zinc
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@abstract oar are tia and naga legal

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For nsfw

hallow scroll
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they aren't lolis, I don't see why not

icy whale
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they look younger than super soldier guillotine i think they should be banned

surreal umbra
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Tiga

silent stirrup
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Can't we just call them gyarus BlancStare

abstract oar
haughty widget
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Yesn't

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Their age isn't given so I don't really care

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And being Nikkes makes their real age a toss up

maiden zinc
autumn ice
maiden zinc
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You need bangin

icy whale
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thinking about skill investment

looks like tia gets away with 10/1/1
naga is more like 10/10/10 everything's so good deadge

minor walrus
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And Tia s1 is the first level10 of 2 nikkes otherwise bricked combo

sharp horizon
minor walrus
surreal umbra
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tiga looking must have for interception sleepepe

minor walrus
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Maybe 7 maybe 8 we dont know

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But if tia not burst, naga not working

unborn socket
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level 4 is 10s cd per stack

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7 is 13s

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1-3 7s

autumn ice
sharp horizon
minor walrus
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Here just use it

sharp horizon
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ahh

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mb then

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didn't see that we have the skill for each lv. of them already

minor walrus
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Look like we will go for 4 or 7

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And feel fancy then go for 10

somber crest
warm valley
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does 13 sec vs 10 sec even matter?

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since it should stack twice so you get a cdr of 26 vs 20 so like is that even that big a deal (not even factoring cdr)?

minor walrus
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The cdr is for the 20s standard

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So i guess its level 4

warm valley
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probalby lower with a cdr unit like doro

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but the attack damage up might matter

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idk how impactful the extra 10% is though

minor walrus
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Ye big juice

warm valley
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4 is cheap though so no reason to not take her to 4

minor walrus
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But it takes naga 12 normal shots to trigger tia s1

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So it would take 24 shots

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In the span of less than 20s

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Prolly even lower

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To dish out 24 shots

warm valley
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i mean

minor walrus
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Not accounting for ded time zone

warm valley
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1.5s relolad

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and dpeending on the team still wouldn't matter

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since the sr team will probably be tia doro naga alice privaty

minor walrus
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We will see

warm valley
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worst case scenario take s1 to 7 if its a major issue

minor walrus
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Yeah just go for 7

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Its not that expensive

warm valley
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well

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i mean it is

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cxause naga wants all the books

minor walrus
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Just kill 2b for it

warm valley
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my 2b was never alive

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444

steady iris
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I can't kill her

minor walrus
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Dont worry listen to be

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Me

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U run the 2b comp in SR

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The best run

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Then you kill her

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And invest into tianaga

somber crest
minor walrus
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Oh u right

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Damn this nikke has so many words in her skill

ashen dagger
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  • Naga
    Skill Order - Skill 2 > Skill 1 > Burst Skill
    Cube - Resilience Cube(Reload Speed%)
    Overload Stats - Max Ammo(at least 30%+), ATK%, Hit Rate%, Crit DMG%
    Gear Upgrade - Gear > Helmet > Gloves > Boots

  • Tia
    Skill Order - Skill 2 > Skill 1 > Burst Skill
    Cube - Resilience Cube(Reload Speed%)
    Overload Stats - Charging Speed%, Charge DMG%, Def%
    Gear Upgrade - Gear > Boots > Helmet > Gloves

  • Naga Burst Skill is perfectly fine at lvl.5, lvl.5 gives 12.5% and 23.32% Atk. You want Naga to have at least 12 ammo(30%+) this makes it so she recovers cover hp every reload and proccs her Skill 2 twice per reload. Reload Speed% is nice cuz she wants to keep shooting.

  • Tia Burst Skill is perfectly fine at lvl.4, lvl.4 gives 25.5% self shield and 7.42% allies shield. Charging Speed% and Reload Speed% are self explanatory, you want her to land 5 shots as fast as possible so she can keep taunting and increase her cover Max HP. Max ammo% isn't that great cuz 6 ammo wont be increased by much.

  • Notes
    This duo shouldn't struggle too much against Modernia if you can prepare your burst 1 before she uses her lasers. Tia's shields should block at least 1 strike. Against Chatterbox you can just reset if he destroys Tia's cover first since she will keep taunting she will need her cover, Tia's shields can also block this attack and hopefully the bonus cover max hp can actually tank this attack. BOTH OF THESE BOSSES WILL NEED TESTING

Max Limit Break isn't necessary but the extra stats will be very helpful cuz both rely on HP, and Naga's Burst Skill also relies on Max Atk

civic umbra
sharp horizon
warm valley
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Probably cause with s2 is going to proc more often than her s1

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The core damage part

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S1 is going to trigger every burst rotation so about every 20 seconds

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But they’re both important

primal sleet
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Tia: S1 > S2 > Burst
Naga: Burst > S1 > S2

copper reef
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My man kise is back

ashen dagger
ashen dagger
ashen dagger
warm valley
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lvl 10 burst w/ tia is a 47.2% attack boost while level 5 is 35.82%

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so a 12% difference

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in an alice privaty team, a level 10 naga burst is a 6% increase in overall damage for alice vs level 5

primal sleet
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Idk what u mean

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It's around 0.4% boost per level ON CORE without dMG DISTNC OR CRIT

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Attack is best

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Then S1

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Noir S1 is high priority btw

warm valley
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Skill books cheaper than burst books though

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So don’t you have to factor that into what skills you take to what level

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Noir s1 is also a permanent buff

ashen dagger
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Noir S1 is also like 10% atk

warm valley
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14.41% attack forever on a unit you are forced to use because Blanc is beyond broken

abstract oar
void oriole
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But I would like to ask about two assumptions that was weirdly made and that would pretty much break this duo if not met, so I need to know the basis they are made on:

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  1. Naga's "when applying shield" is her B2 burst skill. By the time this is cast the Tia's shield is already up and there won't be any other cast during the burst. How does it trigger?

  2. All those Tia's "Activates when recovering Cover's HP" could easily not work if the cover is already at full health as that might or might not "trigger" the "on recovery" like Nero's "on healing". Any basis it actually works as people assume?

hidden prawn
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they should rewrite that...

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i feel like they meant "when a shield is present in the field"

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the way its written means that the shield must be applied the moment naga does her 12th shot or burst which is ¿¿¿¿¿ to me

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when in reality, a shield simply needs to exist on her

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as for Tia... well have to wait and see...

hidden prawn
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and besides, Tia procs taunt = 100% gonna lose cover hp and Tia's S2 increase max HP cover so the cover will never be at 100% HP unless you slap a cocoa/liter for unknown reasons

warm valley
minor walrus
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ok too much words too much calculation

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10/10/10 all 2

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save my sanity reading all these

hidden prawn
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i mean...

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try 4/4/4, not strong enough? 7/7/7, wanna cheese/flex? 10/10/10

brave holly
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just swipe 💳 to solve all issues

hidden prawn
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find it ridiculous the skill book whale prices...

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160$ for skills lv 10...

brave holly
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they knew exactly what they were doing deadge

hidden prawn
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Then you got touhou at 6 times less...

brave holly
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but are skill mats gated as heavily as nikke

hidden prawn
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not really....

brave holly
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yeah then it's not the same kekw

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they purposely starved you hard in nikke

hidden prawn
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Daily farm

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Event shop in huge amount

brave holly
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and threw all conveniences into the cashshop if you wanted the easy way out

hidden prawn
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Daily/weekly shops

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Event lottery tho with enough farm u get all

hidden prawn
brave holly
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well there's the uhhh

hidden prawn
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Lv 10 full set + 20 pulls at 60$? count me in

brave holly
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monthly for slightly faster gated mats kekw

hidden prawn
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but 160$? nope

minor walrus
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Just use skill reset dud

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We going to have one before sr

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Kill your meta nikkes

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Ezpz

hidden prawn
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im good

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4/4/4 life

minor walrus
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Nah fam that s1 going to level 10

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The atk up is too good

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Thats only behind Blanc/Novel damage taken up

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In order of damage formula

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If I understand it correctly

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Tia tia not naga

hidden prawn
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cant top novel

minor walrus
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Im killing novel s1 for Tia, ezpz BlancStare

hidden prawn
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blanc = 39% vs tia = 33%

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but naga screws blanc over when you got shield

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16% default + 31% when shielded = 47%

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not counting core damage of S1 & S2

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Novel > Naga (on shield) > Blanc > Tia > Naga (no shield)

minor walrus
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Why u bring blanc into here

hidden prawn
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cuz shes like novel; damage taken increase

minor walrus
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Novel blanc different kind of buff

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Im just bring them to emphasize the attack up

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Weakpoint damage is where Tia s1 buff at

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Just before the DTD

hidden prawn
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chotto matte...

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tia is attack damage...

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naga is core

minor walrus
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And the attack damage up

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Is inside of weak damage

hidden prawn
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i see

minor walrus
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Naga core is inside major modifier

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Its where the crit at

hidden prawn
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crit

minor walrus
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Tia is the major must pull out of 2

hidden prawn
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i put my brain on the side and pulling out my mileage to get both

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delete suffer.exe

minor walrus
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Yeah im expecting

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Tia banner is a rigged one

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Low chance of getting her

hidden prawn
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ofc, its gacha style

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gives you naga in 30 pulls then get tia in 300 pulls

minor walrus
surreal umbra
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Naga then tia before anni

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🪤

minor walrus
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🐭

somber crest
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「Naga」 Pick Up recruitment begins simultaneously!

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maybe both together

minor walrus
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No

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That “simultaneously” mean right after marciana

atomic jay
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Hmm, so the only thing the twin bunnies are better than twin schoolgirls is healing and providing more ammo, right?

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and if covers have full HP, will the twin schoolgirls provide buff?

minor walrus
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u didnt account the shield and Taunt tia provide

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so Blanc heal maybe less comparing to the sustain Tianaga provide

atomic jay
minor walrus
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and only 2 b3 used in tianaga comps

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which limit the optimization

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ex:

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Modernia has to burst, which lower her dps, cant utilize the core damage buff from naga

atomic jay
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so blanc/noir are more versatile

minor walrus
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not quite, but for campaign right now they are queens

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we will have to see

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a fully invested Tianaga

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handle campaign

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how they perform

atomic jay
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they pole dance on enemy's corpses KEKL

minor walrus
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u should see

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when the enemies initiate their attack early

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Bunnies will crumble

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if not for Alice gaming chair spam fast burst

atomic jay
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also Blanc making a teammate undead is really useful, we have seen a lot of players abuse this in raids

minor walrus
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its minor

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u gamble on that 20% zombie

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and u mald a lot

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25%

atomic jay
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true, but yeah we will see

minor walrus
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blanc get targeted, she ded

atomic jay
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On tier list, the bunnies are at top of everything

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So i think Naga will be on the top as well, but Tia below one tier, into SS tier

minor walrus
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no doc

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Tia is the one that on pair with Naga

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or more

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Tia>Naga

atomic jay
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have to wait and see

minor walrus
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read Tia skill 1

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and check the damage formula

atomic jay
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Oh, atk dmg, not atk buff.

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Actually, which one provide more dps: atk dmg or dmg increase taken NovelThink

minor walrus
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Damage taken

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Atk damage up is right behind

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Train is already crumbling w a2 and bunnies

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A2 with Tianaga

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Tskk

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Train is like a pebble

atomic jay
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meanwhile i'm always low on skill books...

sharp horizon
vivid sierra
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good bot

astral pulsarBOT
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Thanks!

minor walrus
vivid sierra
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they use this « begins simultaneously » sentence at every character release

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it doesnt mean they’ll release both characters at the same time

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I mean they might but this sentence on the tweet doesn’t tell us anything

somber crest
vivid sierra
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yea I forgot lol

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bad example wait

somber crest
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A2 banner doesn’t have it

vivid sierra
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I mean Jackal and Viper were released 1 week apart I’m pretty sure

#

here

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only means the banner comes at the same time that the characters comes in game

minor walrus
#

I got juiced

foggy nexus
#

I really thought there was gonna be a Laplace rerun until I saw the date

icy whale
#

you know the fun part

#

they never specify what it begins simultaneously with

atomic mirage
#

Pair with ASS yes

minor walrus
#

This is good, only have enough rock to OL 1 nikke now, 1 more week till Tia should net me another 4 rocks right wdym

warm valley
#

Bragging before the week is over

minor walrus
#

If i let gatrix use my account to chat here do I get banned? @abstract oar

brave holly
#

wtf wahahaha

minor walrus
#

X hours till release and thread is ded

plush horizon
#

12hrs or so

faint gazelle
#

Isn't 23hrs rn?

copper reef
#

yea 22 hours 55 min

silent stirrup
minor walrus
#

Post relationship trauma

autumn ice
hidden prawn
#

relationship trauma began by imagining you can have relationship trauma

icy jackal
#

Can’t wait to see some Jank ass naga testing without Tia

short mason
#

AAAAH MY brown wife came home on the first 10

hallow scroll
#

dang, took me 80 pulls

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may it take me way less to get tia later

short mason
#

she took her dog with her as well

warm valley
#

got mine in one 10 pull

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im teh gacha god

floral sapphire
#

Ain't no way took me 130 pulls holy, usually I never go close to 100 on these non limited banners💀

hollow thorn
#

Is Naga good? /s

minor walrus
#

9/8/10 now , same cp as blanc, campaign time in 7 days

feral mantle
hallow scroll
#

im gonna try and pull tia with every bit of gem I can scrounge up before her deadline hits

#

that gold tick is for anniv

sharp horizon
#

So does centi shield work on her?

#

It shouldn't as the skill description say so right? but have anyone try it yet?

unborn socket
sharp horizon
#

Gotta wait for Tia for full potential then.Doropression

swift geyser
#

Yeah was about to dump my manuals on her but then "wait, does she even function without Tia?"

hallow scroll
#

So she literally needs a shield placed on her to trigger her s1

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so no folkwang for you folks

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unless your team comp is severely out of whack somehow

short mason
#

They're obviously throwing another pair of bunnies at us to sap our stash, this time more restrictive

warm valley
#

you can test it with aria

#

but its pretty obvious that aria would work for s1

short mason
#

not that optimal, since if aria's bursting than naga's not bursting

warm valley
#

yea but its mostly just ot test

#

the core damage on s1

icy whale
#

should i prioritize s1 or s2?

swift geyser
#

S1

plush horizon
#

pins say s2

icy whale
#

roger

minor walrus
abstract oar
#

I will, later

minor walrus
#

S1 first BlancStare

swift geyser
#

Yeah no way S2 is higher prio

unborn socket
#

he even put tia s2 first

abstract oar
#

Since the nikke is released, I'll be refreshing pins for proper testing now

unborn socket
#

Gatrix pin is still alive

#

his last legacy

abstract oar
#

Yeah cuz it's not an analysis

unborn socket
#

ty mr.snake for not unpin it

abstract oar
#

It's explaining her skills and giving uptime

ashen dagger
#

MLB Naga in 80 pull 0 50/50s lost. I CANT BE STOPPED

minor walrus
#

Damn Naga is just unusable without Tia, cant really fit her into comp that looks “ok this acceptably strong”

#

Sleep for another week

brave holly
#

technically naga is still usable by herself

#

just not getting the full extent of her kit without tia

swift geyser
#

Yep

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Folkwang just doesn't work

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I mean she works but doesnt comp wise

#

Aria would actually be manageable but 40s burst CD

minor walrus
#

Naga mlb 4/1/1/0 OL s2 lv10 in 1:30m and a2 c7 burst lv7, a2 almost loose mode B at 43%hp here WITHOUT getting hit, if Tia fail the taunt a2 getting hit she might loose mode B fast, the core gap between a2 and naga hurts bad
Edit: why a2 with Tianaga, cuz i want to use them together in campaign

somber crest
#

Centi+Naga believers can test her now. /not me

swift geyser
#

as people expected

warped valve
#

is it me or does naga have kind of fast reload

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for a full mag sg

minor walrus
#

Ye she reloads hella fast

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1.5s

warped valve
#

faster than ass?

brave holly
#

Yes

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ASS is only 2s

somber crest
#

S2 level 5 , reload cube , no OL can keep A2 mode alive for a min and half

warped valve
#

I'm not leveling her s2 for shit. guillo master race

minor walrus
#

Its okay as long as a2 doesnt get hit while Tia getting gangbang for 1:30m

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But those fart raptures dont care about Tia

warped valve
#

who to kick out of synchro for naga hmmm

brave holly
#

just buy more slots kekw

atomic jay
#

have to buy Naga via shop

silent stirrup
#

deadge I won't forget 200+ on A2

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For rapi

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The healing kinda badge man

atomic jay
#

Hopefully, i will get Tia.

sharp horizon
#

Skill priority? Or still need test?

atomic jay
short mason
#

It looks like you can use her with Guillotine as long as you don't lvl up S2 too much

sharp horizon
#

But if I use her with Gui then 1>Burst>2?

short mason
#

but that limits her flexibility a lil too much. ASS/Guil/Naga/Tia/CDR sound mad good though

chilly prism
#

what's too much NovelThink

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is 4 already past it?

warped valve
#

if you're using tia with naga, I say naga s1 and burst are priority

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and then tia s1

minor walrus
#

Yeye finally probie said something that makes sense

sharp horizon
#

I was going to use a comp like this Tia, Dorothy, Naga, S.Anis, Gui what lv. Should my Naga s2 be?

minor walrus
warped valve
#

1

short mason
#

man if they continue this disgusting bullshit of one unit being near useless without another on anni then I'm not rolling

warm valley
#

Naga can be a healer

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Without tia

warped valve
#

half of her kit is missing without tia
the only good thing is that missing half is not tied to same squad restriction

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so future b1 shielder can work with naga

#

does this mean Naga has cover heal or is that just hp potency but for cover healing?

copper reef
short mason
#

2 anniversaries later

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can't wait to try out the new b1 shielder cowgirl with naga bros

warped valve
#

doesn't have to be b1 also, can be b3

sharp horizon
short mason
#

just noticed that she's lightning support too

warped valve
#

liter's s2

short mason
#

she's going to fuck with anis no doubt

warped valve
#

except anis doesn't really benefit from bonus core damage

sharp horizon
atomic jay
short mason
#

she doesn't yeah deadge

atomic jay
#

and she can't heal cover when it reach 0 HP, right?

warped valve
sharp horizon
#

But in my language it say the same Doropression

warped valve
#

yea 0 hp cover can only be rebuilt by biscuit atm

atomic jay
#

yeah that the only worst scenerio

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but usually, you just let NIKKE tank some hits, then cover take some dmg

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as long as both HP can be healed back

warped valve
#

so against a boss that does no damage or way too much damage, tia+naga's cover shenanigans is kinda awkward

atomic jay
#

but dps overall, the jk is way better buffer

green mist
#

So since half of Naga's kit literally can't work atm, would her burst at least still be worth without Tia?

atomic jay
#

here is the thing: before pulling for Naga, you have to calculate if you can get TIa as well.

minor walrus
#

Way better

atomic jay
#

Raids will become more bloody BoltKek

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looks at that core dmg, dayum

sharp horizon
#

Just gonna drop this here in case someone is a Gui main like me BlancStare

warm valley
#

The most important thing is tias cover though and at the very least the taunt should get some damage in

hidden prawn
#

so

hidden prawn
#

is naga half broken without tia?

atomic jay
#

Currently, Altersei is the only boss that covers the core.
He has it, but very well hidden.

atomic jay
hidden prawn
#

good to know, time to C7 her then

atomic jay
#

With no Naga, you don't have reason to get TIa AnisShrug

ashen dagger
atomic jay
#

like i say, Naga can be fixed, not so much with Tia.

minor walrus
ashen dagger
minor walrus
#

I dont think Naga can hold a single fart rapture let alone 3 kekw maybe Tia shield prolong the pain a bit oh nooo

somber crest
#

Just kill it faster

minor walrus
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True true

swift geyser
#

Imagine is Naga doesn't actually work with Tia

short mason
#

wait for the hypothetical future shielder that they won't ever release ig

atomic jay
#

1 week later we will get Tia banner, right?

earnest roost
#

so is she worth

sharp horizon
hollow thorn
#

deadge chat

sharp horizon
#

still a bit confused tho...
is it
"This effect" (Noun phrase) that talking about "the effect"
or
"This effect" (Adjective Phrase) this effect the cover

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I'm not a native speaker....

silent stirrup
#

It's the noun

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Wait actually gimme a sec

short mason
#

Oh, people aren't focusing on the fact that Naga is a pierce shotty

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remember when people were creaming over Neve dumpstering on SI gravedigger and chatterbox?

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Naga might be the same, except she has buffs coming from things like ASS and her pierce is 10 entire seconds instead of just 2 bullets

sharp horizon
#

what her cube should be then? reload? bastion?

warped valve
#

she reloads kinda fast

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both are good

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but if you pair with ass, I guess reload

silent stirrup
silent stirrup
sharp horizon
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she's good but look at my Gui HP while Naga skill were still at 5-1-5 MaxwellDepressed

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(Shooting range)

short mason
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at least she can reach 50%

silent stirrup
#

Mans let go of Naga Guillotine deadge

sharp horizon
#

when tia comes she probably can replace the missing amount of atk ig

silent stirrup
#

🦗 where is your mast

sharp horizon
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with 2B wahahaha

silent stirrup
#

Touché

sharp horizon
#

I didn't build her and probably wouldn't cuz I already built Novel and Novel can go around while Mast were only with 2b/Gui...

silent stirrup
#

deadge 4/4/4 and call it a day

limpid bison
#

any reason to OL naga?

sharp horizon
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it really hurt me when my 1-1-2 Mast doing the same or even more overall dmg than my 1-1-7 novel sometimes on 2B team, Now I hate her

short mason
sharp horizon
#

What a nice number we got here

winged stone
#

How lucky is Naga in 4 multis? Average I guess.

sharp horizon
#

yeah, average

winged stone
#

That's very lucky XD

sharp horizon
#

still no sign of Scarlet MaxwellDepressed

winged stone
#

My best was MLB Anis in 52 pulls

winged stone
#

I was asking, not showing

sharp horizon
#

I am

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I'll delete then kekw

winged stone
#

XD

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where would I ask about Naga if not in Naga's megatread? Tia?

icy whale
sharp horizon
#

it's not really about Naga cuz we should talk about her dmg, skill, etc not pulls even if it's about her

abstract oar
#

Nah, everything about Naga is allowed here

#

Dw

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I'll try to post a small review soon

sharp horizon
#

Wait a minute... does Dorothy s2 hitting core? or was it because of Naga skill? I never notice this before (It miss some time so I'm not sure) most of the time it hit

haughty crater
#

Naga is a must pull or skip?

abstract oar
#

Must pull

haughty crater
#

I read a lit her kit but it seems like a liter 2.0 no?

abstract oar
haughty crater
#

Narojoto

abstract oar
#

Don't think about it like that

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Think about her as a very decent support when paired with tia

sharp horizon
atomic jay
sharp horizon
#

around 250m++ ig the last time I try to get above 270m it died

dusty chasm
orchid merlin
sharp horizon
orchid merlin
#

My sync higher, but can't replicate your damage whyyyy

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My naga keep guillotine full hp though PepeTF

sharp horizon
#

probably because your Naga s2 isn't lv.1?

orchid merlin
#

Yeah lv4 right now

sharp horizon
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then she can't anymore kekw

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they said there's a better team but if you want to play with Gui and want to keep her at low hp gotta wait for skill reset period then

plush horizon
#

use biscuit as healer instead

sharp horizon
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we're talking about Naga here... but if you talk about Gui.
Normally, I don't use healer it's either rng on a boss that not attack frequently or a taunter like diesel but if the boss attack often I get privaty out and put Noise in

somber crest
#

Just don’t shoot with Naga smh

orchid merlin
#

You lose core damage buff too then

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But yeah probably can't use her with guillotine

minor walrus
abstract oar
#

Naga is a must-have nikke for everyone. I recommend:

  • F2p should get one copy, which should be enough as she is a support.
  • For low spends, one copy is enough as well, however they may get dupes if they plan to be competitive in Raids or want extra CP for campaign, where Naga will be very usable as well.

Why is she a must-have?
Naga with Tia:
Tldr: Heals, Cover heals, Core damage buffs and ATK buffs. Plus she's hot.
At a glance, it Simply feels meta. A very very decent core damage buff, since Tia unlocks the second part of her S1, which stacks with her S2 core damage buff. This is not as good a buff as an ATK buff per say, but since the value being provided is so high, it is overall a decent damage increase.
Tia also allows Naga to unlock her extra ATK buff during burst, which helps Naga give an additional 48% instead of 16% ATK to the whole team.

Naga without tia:
Tldr: Heals, Cover heals, small buffs to core damage and a very minor atk buff.
She doesn't unlock her full potential without tia.
However she's more or less still usable as a basic support unit.
Without tia, she will still heal a decent amount of both cover and HP of allies. Her S2 will still provide a decent value for extra core damage. If paired with the likes of aria: during Aria's burst, it'll help her activate even higher core damage buffs from her S1. However this pair isn't really viable or recommended, she won't give the extra ATK buff during her own burst (which she will unlock with Tia), and she'll only give her core buff every 40 seconds I suppose

minor walrus
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Based on the conversations

abstract oar
#

I think I would say
S1 = S2 > B

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So Ill go with that

hallow scroll
#

I would level s2 till 7

abstract oar
#

10/7/10 good enough?

hallow scroll
#

It's too expensive to level it to 10 since it doesnt really increase much per level

short mason
#

so like
Tia/CDR/Naga/Alice/Maxwell sounds good?

hallow scroll
#

boy do I need them

abstract oar
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Skill recommendation:
S1 / S2/ Burst
10 / 7 / 7 or 10

short mason
#

the team sounds powerhouse tbh. Shame Guillotine still doesn't have a braindead team to use her in

abstract oar
#

I don't mind it much

vivid sierra
#

why do we want to say S1 > B or B > S1 when they use different mats

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I dont get the point of doing this

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Burst prio should only be compared to other units imo

somber crest
#

True, kind of telling if the burst is worth levelup at all

abstract oar
plush horizon
abstract oar
#

Burst may not be as important, such as on noir
While skills like noir s2 might be very very important

vivid sierra
#

but you can focus on Burst and S1 at the same time

#

well I guess it does say a little about how good a burst is

abstract oar
short mason
#

Are there any achilles heels? Like I know a lot of people mentioning bosses that don't attack enough to damage cover, or bosses that do TOO much damage so covers are immediately killed

primal sleet
#

B > S1 > S2

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Wajt

indigo mural
#

Edit: Got it to work, I probably screwed up something when I ran the earlier tests.

I want to be wrong, but does it seem like Naga’s Applying Shield for her burst is bugged and doesn’t trigger?

Folkwang S1, 30s CD: Applies shield to highest 2 ATKs on team.

Start a battle, order team to take cover, wait for Folkwang to shield Naga (of course, make sure she’s highest 2 ATK in team).

Pause and check buffs. You see team has received Guardian of Friendship.

Retry the battle, burst Naga shortly before Folkwang would shield Naga. In my test, I had R B1, R B3, Folkwang B2, Naga B2. No way in hell the others surpassed Naga’s ATK during burst…

Naga is shielded as expected. Guardian of Friendship is activated as expected.

However, As Long As We’re With Friends doesn’t activate the higher ATK buff. Team continues to get the weaker one (at lvl 1 it’s 9%, meaning it seems like the 17% is wasted/no-show).

primal sleet
#

Whats S1 base

hallow scroll
indigo mural
#

Just burst with Naga before she casts it. You can check battle timer to find when she’d do it, in a previous retry.

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In my test I saw she casted it at 0:59 seconds remaining (I used Simulation Room)

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So I bursted at 1:02

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And at 0:59 received the shield on Naga

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Still just 9% ATK

hallow scroll
#

lemme check

indigo mural
#

I also tested the other way around - bursting after Naga’s shielded

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Meaning at 0:57 I bursted Naga. Same thing

primal sleet
#

Naga must burst when she is shield ed

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Not the other way around

abstract oar
indigo mural
abstract oar
#

With folk

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Only way to test it

primal sleet
indigo mural
#

“Time remaining” - it’s a countdown

primal sleet
#

Ure saying th3 opposite

#

Oh

indigo mural
#

0s - Operation Failed - Skill Issue, basically

hallow scroll
#

hmm? I got the buffed up version

#

nothing wrong here

indigo mural
#

Hmmmm. At what burst level?

hallow scroll
#

4

indigo mural
#

I’ll try again later and if it’s still bugged, I’ll level her burst and see what happens

hallow scroll
#

I got both the weaker and stronger variant active at the same time

indigo mural
#

And it was Naga bursting while she had a shield applied? Not afterward?

abstract oar
#

@indigo mural is your Naga 2nd highest ATK?

indigo mural
#

Yes

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Guardian of Friendship does trigger

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Hmm I’ll just come on and try again now

hallow scroll
indigo mural
#

Sequence: Naga gains Shield. Naga then bursts. Team now has Two ATK buffs from As Long As We’re With Friends?

hallow scroll
#

yep

indigo mural
#

Attempting it now

primal sleet
#

Ok its

hallow scroll
#

wait till folkwang s1 is active, then burst with naga

primal sleet
#

S1 = B > S2

abstract oar
abstract oar
#

But yeah, I think I agree

primal sleet
abstract oar
hallow scroll
#

caster atk buff btw

#

still good but not as good as liter

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though it is 10 seconds

indigo mural
#

Yep got it working as well, thanks!

primal sleet
indigo mural
#

Not sure what went wrong earlier but I probably screwed it up

primal sleet
#

40.9% DPS attack buff

abstract oar
warm valley
#

naga gonna make my sw/alice pop off

tender saddle
#

how's testing so far? is naga a must-pull? I got my bunnies still

icy whale
tender saddle
#

I just started playing.. only started ch.6

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don't have modernia or scarlet yet either

#

so I'm thinking I just save for anni, and then wait until they drop into regular pool

icy whale
#

tia naga is better bunnies
they're beyond broken AnneWaaw

tender saddle
#

oh.. that sucks

warped valve
#

half of naga's kits are practically missing

#

without tia

tender saddle
#

and I was so excited when I got bunnies and litter

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and thought I was onto the best start

#

just to have them replaced in 2 weeks

warped valve
#

calm down, bunnies are still more versatile

#

what happens when you fight a boss with no core to hit

#

that +120% core damage is pointless

tender saddle
#

I don't think I've seen bosses yet without cores?

warm valley
tender saddle
#

are those cores those parts that get destroyed by players

warped valve
#

alteisen, modernia

tender saddle
#

I might just be too new to understand

warped valve
#

chatterbox

tender saddle
#

excuse me 🙂

warm valley
tender saddle
#

so I gues sin that sense, should I let them fall on regular banner or

#

should I roll on banner, when anni is around the corner

warped valve
#

alteisen has one but only if you have pierce

warm valley
#

Only 6 units can hit the core for train though

warm valley
icy whale
#

even without core:
1.32x damage, 100% up time
47% supporter's atk buff (=39% attacker's attacker)
vs
1.39x damage taken for 10s applying once every burst cycle
14% attacker's atk buff

warped valve
#

bunnies have ammo refresh

primal sleet
tender saddle
#

how does that compare to litter > blanc

warm valley
primal sleet
#

Only harvester has no core

warped valve
#

and teambuilding is not restricted to having to run 2 b1

warm valley
#

??? Where does nihilister have a core

warped valve
#

and 1 of them being a cdr too

#

GD has core btw

primal sleet
#

Heads are cores

warped valve
#

but it's just that you won't focus it because of qte

warm valley
warped valve
#

considering how fast those heads pop in last UR

#

sure

primal sleet
#

Still a core

warm valley
#

Technically still a core

#

But not a large factor

primal sleet
#

Dont tell me LE has core then

warm valley
#

Wasn’t aware gravedigger had a core though

#

Time to use my Alice in grave digger si

warped valve
#

but I don't see any red CORE HIT popups when shooting parts that you would consider core

indigo scarab
#

say, if I have limited skill manual resource, should I up Naga S1/S2 first, or save it for Tia's S1?

icy whale
#

I would say tia's s1 first

unkempt shard
#

Tia S1

primal sleet
indigo scarab
#

ah alright then, thanks
I wish they drop skill reset soon Copium

warped valve
#

they're only dropping skill reset when reworking skills

primal sleet
unkempt shard
#

Did I
I have dnb

fair tusk
warm valley
#

for story content you can use liter bunnies for entirity of story and be fine

#

you can also probably use tia naga when they're online and also be fine

#

but for raids they're a must pull cause of the variety of teams you need to have prepared

tender saddle
#

ah, okay

warm valley
#

sounds like you probalby just started playing? I would say continue focusing on liter bunnies but keep tia + naga in the back as units to invest in when you get later into the game and start raiding

fair tusk
#

That is if you can afford to roll for both of them since they really are tailor made for each other. Plus since anniversary is coming up, they'll probably release another "must pull" unit

warm valley
#

^ this is correct

tender saddle
#

I whaled pretty hard recently

#

so I have 131 rainbow tickets, 150 regular ones

#

and like 50k gems

warm valley
#

you can probalyb afford to get a copy of tia + naga with decent luck

#

and then ticket the anniversary banner

tender saddle
#

there's a couple trains of thought here:

  1. skip the banners, wait until they drop in the regular pool, and expect them to spook me via regular ones
  2. roll on the banners, use the gold pity to get the anni character
warm valley
#

getting 2 specific units from standard is a rough bet

tender saddle
#

and generally, I think wait for tia to come out and all the testing to be done

#

and see if they're truly must-pulls

warm valley
#

and the anni banner is probably gonna be a pilgrim so you could whale and still not get one

icy whale
#

i would pull these characters on their banner

wishlist is for more niche shit

#

save 200 golden mileage and the anniversary character is yours

warm valley
#

wishlist doesnt' apply to limited banners eitehr so if you want to get them on standard

#

you either gotta whale for standard tickets, or just pray

#

wishlisting for copies is less detrimental

icy whale
#

luckily half the limited ones are shit anyway unless you are a collector

#

then it becomes a different game of pulling

maiden zinc
#

So naga is liter but legal both in physical and practical use

#

With shield ofc

tender saddle
#

is there any reason for me to even hold onto my tickets?

#

the regular banner tickets

icy whale
#

yes a big reason

maiden zinc
#

Yes

warm valley
#

i would hold till anni

icy whale
#

for campaign you want dupes of tia/naga

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boosts your cp