[A2] New Unit Megathread

[wide gorge]

her kit is just designed to hit parts

[dull mesa]

i'm in the liter/blanc vortex
i just need more support composition that isn't them...

[full halo]

pepper blanc a2 D noir for train?

[mild escarp]

Only a2 doing dps

[full halo]

i do it just fine with only modernia dpsing

[flat tapir]

New Free Train comp

[wide gorge]

chatterbox should come to sr

he'll put those RL characters on the map

[reef plover]

somoene is a knower

[wide gorge]

a2 is such a high maintenance girl

soaks up all the healing she can get

[full halo]

she deserves the attention

[mild escarp]

Better be worth tho

Imagine she is high maint and do as much dmg as nihil

[flat tapir]

Anything above Power and I'm happy

Well actually a little above Power

Considering she is higher maintenance

[lofty oxide]

Power is a good girl though

[mild escarp]

Everyone a waifu tho

[arctic wharf]

Im still using power on pvp. Never remove her

[flat tapir]

Power very stronk there ngl

[wide gorge]

https://twitter.com/NIKKE_en/status/1697172765164638640

GODDESS OF VICTORY: NIKKE (@NIKKE_en)

【NIKKE Motion Demonstration】

YoRHa No.2 Type A Android!

She uses RL: Type-4O Blade.

Her Burst Skill - Mode B, unleashes powerful firepower at the cost of periodically reducing her own HP.

#NIKKExNieR
#NIKKE
#A2

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when i look at the preview of a2 burst

she holds her max charge for half a second then releases

is this intern kun doing pepega gameplay?

or auto being fucked up holding charge for too long?

the timing being slightly different makes me believe this is manual play but the curser tracking the enemy perfectly points towards auto

probably manual play with auto aim on true pepega player

[reef plover]

Well if an enemy is about to die or move the ai curd charge short

[granite lynx]

Rapu is bad

Noir Blanc exists

Idk why Rapu

Rapu has already fallen off

No longer used in SR/UR in most content

Blacksmith is exception

[pale patio]

@royal brook

[royal brook]

@pale patio what?

[pale patio]

someone's gotta cook A2

not enough info in here

[royal brook]

ill get shot if i say anything

@novel finch is watching

😵

[fair depot]

Basic 67.65 , charge time 1s , reload time 1.5s. Best basic stat for RL

[zenith flower]

At 60 fps A2 need 98.4% charge speed to pull an Alice

Yeah that isn't happening

[flat tapir]

Yeah the highest possible atm is somewhere in the 80s

Until we get charge speed support

🦗

[fair depot]

That is nit happening

[sullen mica]

A2 has long ass animation lock at the end of her charge

Fast shots are impossible on her

[novel finch]

[raven fiber]

cant quickshot with a2, anyone got same problem? cant cancel her aftershot animation

[fair depot]

Her swing animation is long. It is forced full charge

[raven fiber]

but she only need full charge 15s during s1 buff... this is dumb

[chrome crest]

what's the consensus, pull or pass?

[frank frost]

she doesn't release for another week

the animation lock does kinda suck though

[chrome crest]

hahahah

thanks

[frank frost]

its cool

[mild escarp]

She doesn't even come out for another week. Chill out

[chrome crest]

hahha sorry i'm kinda drunk rn, had a long night

[dusty ferry]

Is there a particular reason as to not pull for A2 dupes, I'm aware shes not out yet but I read somewhere that I shouldn't and was wondering if someone could elaborate?

I dont particularly care and am probably going to either way but I'm curious nonetheless.

[finite hemlock]

if you arent competitive

and want to pull for another future charas, and not a spender

[dusty ferry]

Ah, I thought there was something with her kit or whatnot.

[finite hemlock]

she is very likely not a campaign chara with that HP restriction

[wide gorge]

shit that forced a2 animation will hurt her for no reason

only pray that her charge fills up during release so you can release at 80% max and with the animation added it goes to 100%

[dusty ferry]

Yeahhhh, I LOVE how they incorporated B-Mode into her kit (even if they're called it "Mode B) but they should at the very least lower the HP restriction from 40% to even just 30%, in Automata iirc B-Mode ran right into the near death state before turning off.

[gray crescent]

Copium that a2 gonna be good

[mild escarp]

Likely niche as well

[burnt nest]

Surely A2 will be good and not a completely niche character that will only being good in certain situations

[mild escarp]

Lobby only

[fair depot]

A2 has low attack buff, but high and varied dmg multiplier. S1 is 40% buff, s2 is another 40, burst is 35. Hit 3 target? That will be triple damage.

[burnt nest]

So as long as she has her HP above %40 she can potentially do giga dmg? Am I even reading this right?

So you run ppl like Rapunzel and idk Noise?

[mild escarp]

At the cost of replacing buffers with healer in your team sure

[finite hemlock]

More like

[burnt nest]

schizo out and run Emma

[flat tapir]

Buffers and Healers don't normally fight for the same slots so it's whatever tbh

[finite hemlock]

In exchange for a healer to babysit her
She will aoe wipe your enemies mobs

[fair depot]

If only there is healer that also buff like bunnies

[flat tapir]

Maxwell A2 pairing sounding better and better each passing moment

[flat tapir]

Biscuit but y'all not ready for that

[burnt nest]

Soon™ ||pls make Crown do this||

[mild escarp]

It's 4% a sec. Most healer take their time healing. Via burst or when they empty their mag or something. And there is only 2 healing slot in the team

Unless you also kicking out your dps nikkes

[burnt nest]

We running Pepper and Rapunzel

A2 and Scarlet will be the dmg

surely they wont be too low HP and die

[gray crescent]

we run pascal to heal

[mild escarp]

Seriously tho, a2 better bring the dps if we have to build a entire team around her kit

[burnt nest]

honestly

[flat tapir]

Current HP so it's not always gonna he 4%

Atm it takes 23s for her to drain to 40% HP

[burnt nest]

Pascal and Rapunzel

[flat tapir]

So healer like Pepper or Smary can easily offset that

[mild escarp]

Burst is more than 23s tho

[burnt nest]

well with pepper its the last shot and the AI is too dumb to just spam one bullet

[fair depot]

We can test if you have enough healing with scarlet or guillotine. Stop imagine weird things

[burnt nest]

Run a charge speed spec Rapunzel

[flat tapir]

23s is enough time for Pepper or Smary to heal

Pepper final bullet is 4% HP iirc

And her burst heal is 25%

Then she gives HP potency aswell

Even without Priv she should be fine, and since we can't spam A2 they is less demand to manual her

Rap is the healer that's questionable with her, Rap is also 4% on full charge and some HP potency but Rap has no burst healing unless you burst with her , which needless to say is very questionable

[burnt nest]

just run both of them and drop a B3

[solemn finch]

Think Rap not worth compared to Pepper ngl

[wide gorge]

[flat tapir]

Definitely

Unless it's Blacksmith or Chatterbox or something

[solemn finch]

But Pepper should easily take care for health

[mild kindle]

I genuinely still think pepper is dogshit versus rapunzel

[burnt nest]

S Mary lookin kinda good rn tbh

[solemn finch]

The chad murderer pepper

[mild kindle]

pepper requires you to burst to heal

rapunzel doesn't

[flat tapir]

But even then Rap wants another B1

[burnt nest]

^

[flat tapir]

Rap requires you to bring another B1 though

[burnt nest]

okay and?

[mild kindle]

at least you can bring a better B1

the real issue is that yes you are forced into 2-1-2

[flat tapir]

Look at the B1s available

[mild kindle]

with pepper you're forced to burst with her to heal

[burnt nest]

Doro and Litter can just vibe while rap is there healing

[flat tapir]

What B1 will you run if you bring Rap for a A2 team

Liter and Dorothy are in their own teams naturally, Liter is glued to bunnies

Dorothy is either with Anis or Scar

Miranda with SW

[solemn finch]

Pascal

[flat tapir]

You see the options left for a B1 are quite shocking

Rap not needing to burst isn't really a strength anymore

[mild escarp]

Gotta be a b1 healer

[flat tapir]

So you bring two healers

[mild escarp]

Cuz bunny is taken and Rapunzel isn't enough

[flat tapir]

When Pepper could have done it solo

[topaz inlet]

rapunzel is more than enough

[burnt nest]

Only pepper healing isnt enough

imo just use rap and another B1

[mild escarp]

Pepper healing is better than Rapunzel healing tho

[burnt nest]

pepper S1 being on the last bullet fired it kinda blows

[flat tapir]

4% in final bullet+ 25% every burst is way more than enough

Even without Priv

[burnt nest]

if it was like every X shot instead of last i would think its cool

doesnt matter to me since I have a C1 pepper so ill just use her if its better

[solemn finch]

Tbh, if A2 gets smacked too much, Pepper may not be enough but I find it hard to believe in invested average play that Pepper can't do it with 4% every last bullet and a 25% heal every burst rotation, + 30% HP potency across the board

[flat tapir]

If pepper isn't enough rap has it worse

[solemn finch]

Suppose if Pepper isn't enough, just go S Mary testing You guys picked her up right? Didn't dodge sex?

[flat tapir]

Rap caps at 3 units healing

And A2 is pretty much always gonna be one of them

[topaz inlet]

rapunzel is more than enough

[flat tapir]

If something is hitting you so hard that pepper can no longer sustain, rap isn't either

[flat tapir]

Smary would be the best fr

Just her damage leaves quite a bit to be desired

Was gonna be my go to if A2 could spam

But alas

[solemn finch]

Wrong

Best move is Mast

U don't need to heal if B Mode is deactivated on activation

[flat tapir]

Satan back in the thread

[true hull]

I got 2B already. Should I work on pulling A2 from now on as a F2P/Low spender?

[mild escarp]

1 copy is affordable but both collab is looking kinda niche

[true hull]

So don't stress about getting A2? She's not Meta, basically.

[mild escarp]

Also remember anniversary is 2 months away. And ppl expect someone big there

[true hull]

Everyone was screaming about 2B so I rushed her.

Had plenty of crystals and tickets to get her.

[flat tapir]

As a A2 simp yes she defo worth

[mild kindle]

I'm just gonna say this never ever rush roll a new nikke

give it a whole week if you really wanna save every inch of your gems for only "good" nikkes

[flat tapir]

^^

[mild kindle]

that way after a whole week a verdict can at least be made whether or not a new nikke is worth rolling for or not

[flat tapir]

Banner up for near 30 days

Absolutely no rush to get a Nikke

[true hull]

Well a little late now

[solemn finch]

You can make up your losses by spending money dw

[mild kindle]

$$$

[strange ocean]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012288696336273428/1070326844991225876/credit_card.png

[celest urchin]

A2 looks meh, bottom of the chain. Non part boss btw

1 part? Oopsie

[serene juniper]

macro omg!

[serene juniper]

ban ban

[celest urchin]

full auto A2 btw

also this SR is Windsmith

with 2 parts

yeah

she's in my bunnies team

[serene juniper]

[marble snow]

Tf is this

[celest urchin]

btw parts need to be tanky enough

[neon coral]

oh shoot, I think my Noir attack would be higher than a single copy of A2, unless I roll attack on 4 OL

[celest urchin]

else once you break all parts

she returns to being meme

[neon coral]

to profit from alice charge speed

[celest urchin]

coincidentally, this time Blacksmith has 2 parts that are tanky af

pure concidence

[steady summit]

what situation is this graph in

[topaz inlet]

body + 1 part

[celest urchin]

body + 1 part (2nd chart)
body + 2 part (3rd chart)

boss doesn't need to have tanky parts if parts respawn fast enough

[potent aspen]

what is x-axis?

def? time ?

[celest urchin]

dmg
Y = ammo increase

hey wait

reverse

[potent aspen]

[celest urchin]

X = dmg
Y = ammo increase

[potent aspen]

ok

[celest urchin]

or is it

a second, I'm confused myself

[topaz inlet]

x is ammo

smh mr gatrix

[celest urchin]

yeah

because I put the table in weird way

so sometime I forget it myself

btw the point of my graph is

if you make sure EACH HIT of A2 hit at least 1 part and body

she's overvalued

2? Oh that's braindead

4? Let her solo Nihilister

she has what SNeon could only dream

real dmg

[topaz inlet]

I think we need to hide the evidence

SU spy amongus

might get her last min nerf

[celest urchin]

I think this is a good design to support RL DPS

they are meme on non part

but monster on parts

[topaz inlet]

also on bed

[neon coral]

so the long awaited unit to beat nihilister for the modless is A2

[celest urchin]

and 13-15 hard

and 13-20 I think? (Chatterbox)

probably 13-24 Modernia too

[neon coral]

modernia proceed to blink after few shots

[celest urchin]

the strong part of A2 are

she can maintain her kits 100% of the time

100% uptime S1
100% uptime S2
100% burst

and her kits are so strong, not a meme like Neon

[topaz inlet]

I hope they doing bosses with tanky part more

[celest urchin]

pls no

part tends to deal so heavy dmg

imagine blacksmith without dual guns

basically a walking meme

[topaz inlet]

tankier than SR harvester's legs

my SW just one shot that shit and lose dmg

compare to MW

[celest urchin]

also I think A2 will be so strong on campaign too because 100% explosion radius allows her to wipe map every shot

[flat tapir]

Blacksmith has 2 parts and projectiles

Definitely not to sell A2

[celest urchin]

each hit deals like 250% ATK only, but she can shoot twice per sec with 24% charge speed from OL

ikr

just coincidentally

[flat tapir]

Even Wind

[celest urchin]

2B is in the past now

we wait for real DPS

[topaz inlet]

mlb ~~ or 2lb~~

[potent aspen]

without a proper TC, it's hard to see how strong A2 is just from the number

i myself got fooled yesterday too

[celest urchin]

my friend raises a pretty cool question

if RL damages multiple part, why didn't we use Lap or Power before?

[potent aspen]

[celest urchin]

the problem is, even with 2 parts + body, Power still loses too Scar, Mod, Guillotine, Alice, Snow

basically everyone kek

which A2 doesn't care if you have 300% ammo or 50% atk up on your Mod

if boss has 2 parts, she's in

if boss has 4 parts

"Let me solo her"

https://tenor.com/view/letmesolothis-gif-26623781

[serene juniper]

free train

[mild kindle]

need an edit of the segs emote but free train instead

[fair depot]

not 100% uptime s1

[celest urchin]

first burst? For sure

after 2nd burst, pretty much 100% uptime

oh wait

she needs to burst herself?

[fair depot]

wait you are right ok

[topaz inlet]

smh

[celest urchin]

yeah she needs to use her own burst

let me reduce her number a bit

[fair depot]

or not.. Yes she need to use her own burst

[spiral sedge]

Ok i come for quick answer: mlb or c7?

[celest urchin]

C7

[spiral sedge]

[potent aspen]

for science ofc

dew it

[celest urchin]

alright, I nerf her now

[topaz inlet]

now we wait SU to nerf her too

[celest urchin]

oopsie

my bad

I buff scar, mod, guillo, anis each 40% atk

let me remove it

yeah, Modernia needs I don't know, 100% atk and 300% ammo to match A2 at 300% ammo

OL can give 40%, Liter can averagely give 40% more too, so you need to find 20% averagely from something else (exclude her own atk buff, because I did take account of it before 100%)

[fair depot]

OL priority? charge speed, atk, or ammo

[spiral sedge]

The color man, so A2 is that line above everythjng or the bottom?

[celest urchin]

A2 is the top line

btw

the charge dmg from her S1

[mild kindle]

modernia DPS truly goes BRRRR

[celest urchin]

is not even that important

because she deals even more dmg on "fast tap"

shift up pls

fix your god damn charging mechanic

[mild kindle]

more macro reporting

[spiral sedge]

Oh boy so she is bursted based on that graph

[fair depot]

Not sure about quick fire. Can't do it right now in preview

[celest urchin]

nice

I'm crashing game

how to fix guys

[topaz inlet]

she might not be able to macro fast tap tho

she has fire timing

also you can try in game

[celest urchin]

oh okay

I can't open game right now

it crashes instantly

but she's very strong even on auto

she only loses like 10% dmg

that's so small

thx mister shift up

[serene juniper]

so x axis is ammo cap OL lines?

in that graph?

[topaz inlet]

yes

[serene juniper]

max at 340% or 400% like that Rayel's scarlet graph?

[celest urchin]

I only put upto 300%

[mild kindle]

bruh wtf is with this timing/attack animation

holy

[celest urchin]

oh btw

how to turn off the blurring during charging

[serene juniper]

oh no. she has uncancellable animation?

[celest urchin]

I want to see some glorious back

[topaz inlet]

setting

first page

scroll down

[celest urchin]

thx

[mild kindle]

yeah literally try it in view mode

[celest urchin]

nice, restart pc works

can login now

oh crap

force charging

[mild kindle]

https://i.imgur.com/VH9NblQ.png

2 best options right there

under aiming guide

[flat tapir]

Oww boy we can't fast tap sadly

24% charge speed OL 4% Maxwell

[celest urchin]

that's 2 hit per sec

[neon coral]

time to use Yuni again for that charge speed buff

[wide dagger]

Man, I tried using her on view mode and she feels clunky as fuck

They made a RL feel even slower wtf

[bitter ginkgo]

So, what's the general consensus between a2 and 2b, cause I got someone trying to say a2 is better even though she's not out yet

[wide dagger]

It's better to wait until A2 releases before telling people who to roll for tbh

[granite lynx]

They are experimenting

This is how they will nerf snipers and RL

Time to get skill resets

Theyre adding "uncancellable" whatever

[flat tapir]

Instead of fixing RL

And Sniper's

[wide dagger]

Oof. Alice on suicide watch

[celest urchin]

wow Alice on auto

[desert zenith]

Wait how maintain S1 uptime?

I thought it's 15 sec after casting burst

[celest urchin]

yeah I misread it

thought you just need to be in Full Burst

she has to use burst skill

so the up time is actually 50%

15s up, 15s down

15s down = 10s during other full burst + 5s gaining gauge back

[mild escarp]

Bad part is a2 burst can misfire

If she burst at 60% hp for example, you got 2-3 secs of burst if you get no heals

[celest urchin]

you really want to pair her with bunnies this time

because she worths it

[mild escarp]

Yet to be seen. Her dps better rock

[granite lynx]

No.

I think Ludmilla zombie strat might be used this time.

Again.

[celest urchin]

Ludmilla wtf with A2

[granite lynx]

I mean she either go with bunnies but no Alice/Max

Or she goes with Alice/Max but no bunnies

For next SR

[celest urchin]

I don't think the 9%/4% charge speed helps her much

[granite lynx]

Im sure one of the teams will be

Rmb BS is wind shield

Need fire nikkes

I think the turrets will be

2 highest attack units

I think Noise can tank

Noise + 2B

Pepper + Nero

And A2 wants to be in RL team

You must auto and aim at body core

[wide gorge]

praying they will let us animation cancel once a2's released

but i'm pretty sure they won't let us do that because it looks integral to how she plays out

it looks as if the slice animation 'makes up' for travel time a normal rocket would have

because the damage portion happens as soon as the animation finishes

at least in pvp she shouldn't be able to miss

or whiff

i fucking hope

[celest urchin]

even without the cover animation between shot

A2 still needs 1.2333s between shot

well basically full charge RL, nothing fancy

[fervent shoal]

how does A2 ult work?

does she need to ult 3 times to get all 3 effects?

[full halo]

burst turns it on and it stays on until she drops below 40%

[fervent shoal]

so we just burst on her to get s1 effects?

[full halo]

yes

[fervent shoal]

gotcha

[full halo]

s1 only happens when she actually uses her burst though so she needs to be one of the two to keep getting it

unless you're okay with her not getting it after turning on her berserk mode once

[mystic olive]

A2 is just questionable

[wide gorge]

a2's good don't have to question shit

hit parts deal big dmg

[mild escarp]

The only think I trust is her cake

[granite lynx]

A2 is not questionable.

[mild escarp]

Seeing is believing. Gotta wait for testers

Remember how ppl says 2b is too op? Nah. She isn't that good

[granite lynx]

I never said that.

Look up my conv with Timm.

With mid investments, 2B is near Scarlet.

With high investements, 2B > Scarlet.

And Skyjlv proves that.

I predict things much better than SHEET and general people.

[mild escarp]

For a2, I wanna see how bad is her self dmg. And how good her dps is overall

If self dmg too high or her dps is just avg then she's kinda meh

[marble snow]

Well, she would've been. If the multiplier wasn't trash

And kisenix gave the 6% multiplier before anyone here killing everyone's 2b OP hopes

[vapid charm]

Oh yeah I saw sky stream on it actually really insane results

[brazen zealot]

so is A2 >or= b2

plus her animation looks like unskipable

[chrome crest]

so given unskippable anim + HP drop for avg-mildly above avg damage, likely a semi-niche unit?

[mild escarp]

Idk, maybe she has big d energy dps

Gotta remember that scarlet is the og self dmg unit and she is meta forever

[chrome crest]

Yea but no Scarlet for me, coz idk why this game hates me

[brazen zealot]

she is too simple to buff ngl

nothing else rly comes close

[chrome crest]

I did get 2B in 30, hope I can get A2 with less

[chrome crest]

Time for some nerfs xD

[brazen zealot]

lol

why

[chrome crest]

Coz non scarlet enjoyers like me can catch up 🫠

[mild escarp]

We call that powercreep and you shouldn't be finding that in limited collab with no hopes to limit break

[chrome crest]

Hahaha imagine if chime is the power creep to S

[royal brook]

a2 great

2b good

this is not my opinion. this is fact (based on my opinion)

[brazen zealot]

[celest urchin]

[tropic plinth]

Gatrix shambling

it's okay gatrix

i can treat you better

[tropic plinth]

[serene juniper]

now that there are slots in your union, can I join?

[tropic plinth]

what union

what tf

[serene juniper]

[mystic olive]

A2 will either perform bad or decent, but not on 2B levels

[tropic plinth]

i think a2

will perform

really good

[mystic olive]

there are some questions that can only be answered when A2 come out and we test her.
Also who can actually solo heal A2 and keep Mode B active forever

[fair depot]

you can test it with scarlet and guillotine

[mystic olive]

So A2 can rival Guillotine?

[fair depot]

Test if you can keep their hp up

I’m not talking about damage

[mystic olive]

oh ok

so any theory about her dmg?

[spiral sedge]

Have u looked at these?

Man these people keep hyping a2 up and i only have 1k 💎

[solemn finch]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-victory-rupee-money-gif-27653186

uk what to do

[mystic olive]

https://nikke.gg/a2-early-thoughts/

interesting, just hope the prediction is true, if not...

[brazen zealot]

It's iprobie

[chrome crest]

smh the anti-charge spam mechanic seems to be a bummer

the multiplier values seem.... not too shabby

[vestal crypt]

no spam click for A2?

sadge

[marble snow]

What

I didnt get a notif for this

[serene juniper]

because he didn’t ping you?

[marble snow]

Nah I usually get a ping automatically

[keen gale]

DOES THIS MEAN SHE CAN BE IN THE SAME TEAM WITH 2B???

I was lacking the 2nd B3 Unit (or Scarlet ) for this team

[wide gorge]

A2 needs healing

not a tank

well maybe a tank also so she doesn't get hit but that's another problem first she needs to be healed

mast has anti-synergy with a2 and noise won't be healing her nearly enough so that team isn't happening

[brazen zealot]

I think a2 is gonna be what nihilister suppose to be

Until they nerf her burn dmg to the ground

[flat tapir]

A2 gonna destroy BS in a few days 100%

[spiral sedge]

Are we about to see A2 appearing in clearing log of story mode

[wide gorge]

a2 sounds like a big malding character

if she gets hit by 1 random bullet

reset because her burst ends

sounds like a very big pain in the ass for campaign low cp where everybody goes low hp

[spiral sedge]

But Blanc is staple team member tho

And its either u healthy or u dir cuz shiet 1 hit u anyway

[wide gorge]

blanc makes someone immortal that's very nice

but a2 doesn't want to be at 1% hp

[spiral sedge]

[topaz inlet]

also you dont lose any HP in normal campaign except mat-h

[spiral sedge]

She heal bro

[topaz inlet]

that force you to tank laser

[wide gorge]

the issue is that her burst ends

and you need to reburst

it's not like you can dip below 40% and go back up again

[topaz inlet]

hard campaign pushing is all about kill enemies first anyway

doesnt matter

[wide gorge]

if you see low cp clears

the teams are always in shambles at the end

it's not like you have 5 nikke 100% health

[topaz inlet]

normal campaign you dont even take damage

[wide gorge]

depends on your cp

[topaz inlet]

literally 0

[wide gorge]

if you do low cp clears you certainly take dmg

even normal

[topaz inlet]

I dont

[wide gorge]

bs

your clears just aren't low cp enough then

[topaz inlet]

180k mat-h

[spiral sedge]

I think she will be strong contender for hard campaign push, the RL b3 clutch early mobs spawn and cant fall below 40% with bunnies

She going to be stronk

[wide gorge]

idk

[spiral sedge]

Lots of case scarlet+mod dont generate burst fast enough early on

[wide gorge]

you have stunners, aoe true dmg and shit

[spiral sedge]

This just fit right in

Oh ye the stunner is going to b3 pain in the ass

[wide gorge]

what are those things called

[spiral sedge]

But that what your mod/scar for

[wide gorge]

that deal aoe dmg

[topaz inlet]

fart rapture?

[wide gorge]

those fucks

[spiral sedge]

Those are alice stage for sure

[wide gorge]

alice is a real campaign mvp

[topaz inlet]

that pretty much all normal campaign stages

[wide gorge]

if you are one of those sick fucks with 40+ ammo

she will generate burst really quickly too

[marble snow]

40+ Ammo Alice?

Is that even possible

[spiral sedge]

No the stage with fart rapture is specifically for alice

Scar mod just crumble there

[topaz inlet]

Im using alice on all stage

[marble snow]

Unless you have noir blanc

[topaz inlet]

faster + lower cp cleared

[spiral sedge]

No i remember the last fart stage, i cant pass untill i brought alice in

[marble snow]

Alice do be outputting a shitton of damage
True

Those farters have hp

[wide gorge]

is anyone at 23-21 hard?

i wanna know the lowest cp clear

team

[spiral sedge]

But anyway, im feeling that Blanc Noir vibe when they first came out, dominating clearing log after people OL them

Feeling it

[wide gorge]

a good campaign team is like liter/bunnies/alice/modernia

idk if a2 is better than alice here

or you ditch modernia

but would you lol

[spiral sedge]

She is a substitute

Core b3 is scar/mod then alice/A2 substitute in specific situation

[marble snow]

I don't think they try at really low CP at those stages

[wide gorge]

in normal mode some do

but i'm so far away from hard 23-21 i couldn't possibly check

[spiral sedge]

Like in this stage

Burst doesnt gen fast enough

Even A2 will require cover

But then there is stage that need scar/mod+”alice spam”

A2 kinda fit here

[wide gorge]

hopefully a2 burst generation is good because it looks a bit shitty

not a clip rl and has a forced animation

still leagues ahead of mg/smg though lol

but a character like noise can be not enough and a2 burst gen looks worse from what i can tell because of that forced animation

[spiral sedge]

Wait i thought a2 burst gen is “good”

[topaz inlet]

at worst case her burst gen is double other RL because her s2

[wide gorge]

that stage you had how many seconds before 1 nikke died?

a2 probably stuck in animation

and your character dies

[spiral sedge]

Ye not that stage

But stage like alice spam or centi could make difference

And then when there are bunch of explosive raptures spawns or armies of mobs

Huge right

[hasty bridge]

blue cp slayer

but yea its pretty good for dmg and building up next gauge, she cant be spammed tho from what we can tell in view room

[spiral sedge]

Wait s1 only activate when using burst

Then it makes no difference than a mod using her burst to clear shiet

Shiet

[wide gorge]

it's okay

for campaign you would use bunnies

and you can easily skip noir burst

so a2 gets to burst just fine

[spiral sedge]

ye but i thought it activates every other burst too

[wide gorge]

from the quick maths i've seen here in this thread a2 needs to hit 2+ parts to be a competitive dps

but she could easily hit 2+ raptures as a RL

could be a huge trash clearer

[hasty bridge]

its 15s so the next burst will be faster

5 have 5s to charge up ur burst

[spiral sedge]

bet

[serene juniper]

[dusk aurora]

Okay so, comparison between her and 2B? Which is better/more worth investing in?

[serene juniper]

2b

more universal

a2 would need to fight boss with parts

[wide gorge]

probably also depends on your acc

if you don't have mast 2b's a bit less valuable

just pull mast

[brazen zealot]

Well quincy can always fill the gaps

[proud jacinth]

Charge speed charge dmg gang

[zenith flower]

@granite lynx should I just skip A2 for ||Crown||?

[celest urchin]

trash unit ever

[zenith flower]

So yes? Because of the explosion radius?

[celest urchin]

no

it means once she hits 2 parts of blacksmith

she deals normal dmg instead of 41% more

like Dorothy

[zenith flower]

How true is this #1059468005911830558 message

[celest urchin]

literally

go to Nikkepedia

should I record into video for you?

[zenith flower]

Yeah I heard about the animation lock

[celest urchin]

no

I mean her 40.88% bonus dmg to part

it's actually dmg to Cancel Ring

[zenith flower]

Oh so is it mislabeled?

Shouldn't it be damage to interruption parts?

[granite lynx]

You use gold ticket for crown

[celest urchin]

may be visual bug

may be text bug

[granite lynx]

Uh thats wrong description

[celest urchin]

if it's cancel ring

🚮

[granite lynx]

Thats part damage

Not interruption

Chill

[celest urchin]

cope

[granite lynx]

Just bad hyperlink

[celest urchin]

[granite lynx]

Why would A2 deal more damage to rings

Wtf

[celest urchin]

in b4 she actually deals bonus to interruption part

let me doom posting this time

[zenith flower]

And how exactly is that useful for gatekeeper

[granite lynx]

Idk

Its a bugged description

Actual effect is damsge to parts

So the better question is

How would she fare against Alteisen, Nihilister, Blscksmith

Very good

Very very good

Too good

In fact

[zenith flower]

Copium

[celest urchin]

okay I'm done with trolling, need KR/JP to cross check

[granite lynx]

Heh

She might hit 4 enemies in arena

[celest urchin]

because EN trans always tries so hard to be bad

[granite lynx]

At max S1

Its big

Bro

[granite lynx]

Its part damage

[royal brook]

saved?????

[celest urchin]

imagine she actually dmg Cancel Ring

and not part

the biggest drama

[wide dagger]

Nah, it's pretty clear it's damage to parts and not interruption parts

[fair depot]

What i’m checking in game rn

[fair depot]

at least KR is correct

[wide gorge]

eng translators fucking things up as usual

[serene juniper]

*that one underpaid korean intern

[wide gorge]

wrong link indeed

other links are correct

[raven fiber]

lmao

[fair depot]

Did stormbringer have parts?

[serene juniper]

campaign and old raid stormbringer yes

newest raid&coop stormbringer no

[marble snow]

They took away the goat stormbringer from us

[fair depot]

Did we assume her aoe is circle like other RL or sword slash shape?

[celest urchin]

pretty sure it's just visual, her RL hits in circle

also this is what I did to nerf her

A2

• Can't hit 2 parts when S1 runs out (50% up time)
• Longer shooting time (1.33s compared to normal 1.23s). New
• When S1 runs out, she only hits 1 part at a time + body. New
• Splash dmg can't core hit

Her dmg drops significantly

still 2nd best you can have, but don't expect her to outdmg Mod

[fair depot]

1.33s with 35% charge speed?

[celest urchin]

base

with 35% charge speed it becomes 0.98

1-0.35+0.33

[brazen zealot]

A2 hits projectiles too right

[celest urchin]

yep

[brazen zealot]

So you need manual a2 it seems

Or the targeting will fk up the dmg

[celest urchin]

may be or may be not, depend on how big her S1

normally aiming the gun will trigger both part + body

for normal RL

but only 1 part

even 10% Vesti can't hit both parts

[brazen zealot]

Yeah my only concern is when a projectiles or shield bot blocks you , you need need to aim a2 manually or it will explode too close and miss other stuff

Unless radius goes hard

[wide gorge]

second best you can have? that sounds too crazy to be true and if it is true then i expect a little nerf

collab limited might never rerun and then the character is this good that's a dream come true for me

[celest urchin]

actually not but uhmm, around top 2 or top 3

[wide gorge]

that's still excellent anywhere in the top 5 i'll take

[celest urchin]

Scarlet at 300% ammo is insane, only lose to Guillo and Mod due to core hit

I hope this could give you all a general idea of dps rank at full investment

man, I really need to make the final chart where everyone instantly have 300% ammo and 40% atk from OL

20% charge speed for RL/SR pleb too

[wide gorge]

why is rupee up there

[celest urchin]

she's cute

[wide gorge]

she is lol

[celest urchin]

outside of meta dps, I want to see other pleb

they are actually in the same ground

ants compare to giants

[wide gorge]

really nice to see them ranked like this

for soline i'm not very convinced she can hit core reliably mine shoots all cross eyed like

maybe if i have 4x hit rate ol

[celest urchin]

I recorded a clip in shooting range

where she lands 9 or 11 core hits during 120 bullets

"optimized range" btw

SMG may stand for Suck Mini Gun

[granite lynx]

Now I know

I could have got top 35

If my Maxwell burst was hitting cores

FUCK

U ALLLLLL

[flat tapir]

They clowned me for 4 OL Helm

They don't know

Grave Digger fears me

[celest urchin]

shut up clown

[brazen zealot]

Bruh people still thinks beating si is an achievement???

[celest urchin]

let's cope again

[flat tapir]

I'm talking about the SR grave Digger

Shift Up so scared of releasing they bring back BS

Clown deva

[celest urchin]

btw this may be A2 explosion radius

and eh, my drawing sucks. Just increases the radius by 50%

because her base radius is 50% bigger than normal RL

if we use Neon as reference, it's this big

half of S Neon radius

[brazen zealot]

Oh sr gd was ez

But helm made a more sense

[reef plover]

do we know the scaling on a2's skills?

like level 5 s1 vs level 10?

[fair depot]

Nikke.gg database

[fair depot]

^

[reef plover]

ty ty

So looking at the scaling you definitely want s1 and burst to 10 at some point

[royal brook]

careful

there might be a .84sec delay

on her autos

[reef plover]

[royal brook]

unit is doomed

pack it up

[mild kindle]

still rolling even if doomed

[serene juniper]

those assets

[celest urchin]

frame data analyzing

From promo vid

• charging: 1s
• Pushing sword: 24 frames
• Swing sword then return position: 24 frames

43 ~ 44 frames lost every hit

[royal brook]

ELI5

[true hull]

I saw charts but I'm not nerd enough to understand plus they have similar colors.

What's the word on A2? Must pull meta or pull if you like her looks?

[mild kindle]

Try again in 4 days

or rather in 6-7 days to give time for some fleshed out testing

[true hull]

Oh I saw people throwing up charts

Figured they ran numbers or something.

[celest urchin]

she has lower fire rate than normal RL even with 35% charge speed

[royal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[serene juniper]

ok so skip

[spiral sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-it-hungry-give-it-to-me-bone-dog-treat-gif-16750659

[celest urchin]

the joke is

with charge speed

the fixed delay doesn't reduce

she can have 100% charge speed and still suffer that much delay between hit

[spiral sedge]

how important is core-ing her @celest urchin as u mathed it

[celest urchin]

🚮

here

[mild kindle]

~~at least you can't be accused of macro-ing A2 ~~

[spiral sedge]

[celest urchin]

this important

can you even imagine a RL

with 35% charge speed

and still shoot less than normal RL

with 0% charge speed btw

[tropic plinth]

Gotta get those slick stealth nerfs in

[sullen mica]

So she basically starts with -44% charge speed

[serene juniper]

this is how they're gonna solve macros

[spiral sedge]

man i wanted to bring her for campaign, she looks so good

[celest urchin]

want to know something even more interesting?

in Nikkepedia demo

if you click too fast

she actually shoots longer than "optimized click"

optimized click: 1s shooting (not real shooting, remember this is trial in Nikkepedia model)
fast click: 1.33s shooting

the punishment is kek

[serene juniper]

so we better off letting AI auto

[spiral sedge]

sound good thats how i clear story, AI supreme

[serene juniper]

80% swiping 20% AI autobattle

[celest urchin]

hmmm

actually her burst does reduce the delay

A LOT

I don't even know why

normal:
24 frames from normal to swinging
24 frames from swinging to next normal

Burst lv 10 in pulling promo video

12 frames from normal to swinging
12 frames from swinging to next normal

=> 50% reduction

since I saw 360% dmg on her charge, it's supposed to be lv 10

aka 35% charge speed only

[spiral sedge]

[celest urchin]

now I start wondering

at 70% charge speed

will the delay become 0?

so she only charges 0.3s then swing

[sullen mica]

Mb its not charge speed

But the burst itself

[celest urchin]

rush B hidden effect?

[serene juniper]

rush b cyka

[celest urchin]

Lower your lame delay by 50%

[spiral sedge]

so we core-ing her now?

[serene juniper]

ngl, 0 delay animation will be funny af

[celest urchin]

still have 0.3s charging though

I need 100% charge speed

or 99%

[serene juniper]

level 10 adjutant cube gogogo

[celest urchin]

make it lv 30

because lv 7 adj is 3% iirc

wtf is this trash number

[serene juniper]

level 30 gonna take 3 years of rank 1 union raid

[celest urchin]

2.12%

[serene juniper]

or if you're lucky with solo raid rewards, 1.5 years

[celest urchin]

btw 2.12% is cap for cube

Alice gives 11.67%

Max gives another 4.48%

OL just says 24%

42.27%

+35% from self

77.27%

testable

[serene juniper]

yea guys, just get 4x black-blue charge speed lines

[celest urchin]

ikr

[royal brook]

@celest urchin

cud this mean .84 sec delay without burst

then .84*48% delay with burst

🤔

[celest urchin]

may be

you seem to be onto something

[royal brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169657939820625/1147243908779221012/1693527797346948.gif

[serene juniper]

why the *48%?

[royal brook]

cuz from numerous ppl (not just gatrix)

when they measure the delay after burst is activated

all coming to around 50%

says 4800 right there

and says "uptype fire timing"

its just a guess

actually, might be 1-.48 = 52%

the left in the snip is a2, the right in the snip is laplace

might be some built in anti-macro tech they are testing

[granite lynx]

What is uptime fire timing

[reef plover]

looks like the delay in the charge that a2 has

[granite lynx]

That 0.084 sec delay.

Not 0.84.

Uptime fire timing 48 secs?

I think it's maximum B mode duration.

It will deactivate after 48s.

Check if SW has one.

[royal brook]

Wait @granite lynx did u unblock me uwu

[granite lynx]

I never blocked you from the very beginning.

I was pretending.

[royal brook]

[granite lynx]

I'm found out.

I blocked you for 5 mins, then unblocked you after 5 mins.

[royal brook]

No one else has that value

Its just a2

Everyone is 0

[granite lynx]

That's because B mode.

Is a unique skill.

Can you take a large screenshot instead?

[royal brook]

Someone already counted its .84 of a second

[granite lynx]

I want to see the entire thing.

[royal brook]

Uh idk if i have permission

Nvm

Gatrix gotchu

[celest urchin]

probably new random bullshit they make this time

[granite lynx]

So, what is A2 attack speed?

1s + 0.84?

[celest urchin]

base?

around 1+ 48/60

may be 1.84

[granite lynx]

Where did you get 0.84 from?

[celest urchin]

since we use frame calculating, it might vary because of our eyes and prejudice

[granite lynx]

Where is it in the promo vid?

[celest urchin]

let me break down for you

[granite lynx]

Just check Pascal's promo vid.

You can see A2 is on auto.

[celest urchin]

her full attack sequence

• Charging: 1s
• Done charging, prepare to shoot - She will push down the sword then start swinging: 24 frames or 0.4s
• Swing done, return to shooting position: 24 frames or another 0.4s

[granite lynx]

It is around 1.5x slower than Anis.

[celest urchin]

in her promo vid, she could end charging before full

but the attack animation was fixed

at 48 frames or 0.8s

freaking long

then once she used her burst at lv 10 (because I saw 360% charge dmg)