[2B] New Unit Megathread

[merry yacht]

Noise Guillo SAnis might go together

And u can use Scar here

Since A2 will go with Alice in Blanc Noir

And Mod will likely go with Helm

Or Max

Its better to place Scar here than in

Team 5

With 0 team buff

Legit just dps

[dry bramble]

Idk I still think this is the best comp, I only started playing the game yesterday so it’s the best I’ve tested

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1146549839237238874/1147700145270562936/IMG_4776.png

Noise buff 2B, N102 buff Scarlet

EZ money

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

Bro where mast

Mast says adios

[dry bramble]

We need the BCDR so like your suggestion above, we run Dolla or SHelm here

Are you saying your cooking needs work?

[gusty hull]

Uuuuh

Mate

Dollar and shelm's cdr doesn't need them to burst

[merry yacht]

She needs mast

[dry bramble]

So how would you fit mast into my current comp

Remove Scarlet?

[abstract hazel]

No

[dire locust]

[abstract hazel]

Remove Helm:AM

[dry bramble]

Then we lose our CDR

that goes against Kisenix’s cooking

[abstract hazel]

Then remove N102 and put her into Slot 5

Mast goes into Slot 2

[dire locust]

lynch disecting i love to see it

[dry bramble]

Noise solo burst, 40s, scarlet no burst?

[abstract hazel]

I use Dolla in my Slot 5 since I don't have Mast or Helm:AM

[merry yacht]

Noise Mast Volume

I wanna sleep

[dry bramble]

Noise Mast Volume 2B Scarlet!

But what about N102

[merry yacht]

Why

[dry bramble]

She buffs my atk and max ammo

[merry yacht]

N102 is

[abstract hazel]

Noise is never a bad unit but that cooldown makes it hard to keep the Burst Chain chugging

[merry yacht]

No

Dont

[abstract hazel]

Yeah, N102 isn't part of the 2B synergy

[dry bramble]

Yeah but I never get to run her, she’s a solid S tier unit

[gusty hull]

I love Anne too but she isn't worth it in this case

[merry yacht]

Ask skyjlv better

[dry bramble]

I only watch Luna Gaming, is she good?

[dire locust]

[abstract hazel]

This comp works

[merry yacht]

Bruh

Thats just

4k deficit

Out of 84k

[abstract hazel]

I still wins

[merry yacht]

Of course

Bro

We are doing 340k at 205k cp

[ember chasm]

He's proud of his comp
Don't belittle him

[abstract hazel]

I just broke my 160 wall today

[merry yacht]

It does work tho

But

Gambling time?

If it hits Dolla, gg

Jackal can absorb 3x HP

So I guess she will survive

2B and Scar will keep healing

Quency too

Not bad ig?

[abstract hazel]

They die before shit gets bad

The Raptures

[merry yacht]

But one more thing

Jackal is bugged

Abuse her before they fix

[abstract hazel]

That's exactly what I'm doing

I have a few different combinations I run on the campaign. I haven't hit a wall since I level'd up

Chatterbox EX fucks me up pretty hard though

[dry bramble]

Oh did you do some testing with sky?

[dire locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169657939820625/1147243908779221012/1693527797346948.gif

[abstract hazel]

The lack of a Rocket Launcher makes PVE too difficult with the Frima build. Jackal gets the job done properly.

Jackal Quency 2B Scarlet Dolla is legit.

[azure flower]

been playing around with noise and jackel team

i call it the mast cope team

[real egret]

scarlet is better off with sanis+priv at this point I think

[gusty hull]

@merry yachtI'm having trouble with my last slot. I'm thinking of Isabel since I need more burst gen but I'm still skeptical about the lowered burst duration

scarlet is already used too :/

[hollow hull]

Hmm, does the dps gap between 2B no LMB/2B 3*/2B core 7 big?

[dim maple]

How long is Jackal's burst cdr again?

[elder geyser]

jackal now has cdr?

no joke, but it 20s if you talk about cd

[dim maple]

Oh lol thanks XD im kinda drunk rn so words escape me XD

I thought it was 40s for some reason

[hollow hull]

you sounds like Scarlet

[dim maple]

Pretty much LMAO

got a couple of soju bottles and 3 bottles of beer on me so you might not be far off

XD

[versed adder]

Jackal burst is 20s if that's what you meant

[dim maple]

yeah, it was

[echo stone]

What's the best team for 2B in PVP?

[hollow hull]

Jackal burst is 19,99s

[hollow hull]

Generic god tank team

you just need the whole team to survive until 2B cast her burst

that dmg can drain 50% of enemy team HP instantly, or even higher

[dim maple]

what a deal

[true gorge]

Can one of you tier list site makers make a booty tier list
The community will thank you for your service

[minor remnant]

Noise biscuit 2b and whatever

[merry yacht]

When u get the not so bad OL with 1 rock

[hollow hull]

I got atk and max ammo

crit rate too, also charge speed...

[clear forge]

2B analysis by community members:
For PvP: #pvp-arena-discussion message by keripo

[craggy obsidian]

Fellas, who’s the second best b2 option for 2B?

[real egret]

....

[craggy obsidian]

Why r u triple dotting me

I dont have mast man 😔

[empty rock]

oh second best

novel or quency

[craggy obsidian]

Coolio

Ty

[summer wren]

Cant escape the tsundere roll

[merry yacht]

shes gonna bully blacksmith

[summer wren]

I hope

So far 2b is pretty good even without setting up

I just use her as ult bot

[arctic sluice]

@clear forge the ngg 2b analysis is out

[dire locust]

ngg

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[arctic sluice]

[onyx crest]

the only analysis i want to know are the solo raid results to determine the best teams

a shame we can't have those early

[rough spindle]

dun worry, we can have these poor suckers hard workers do it for us when it finally come and we can just copy the final comps

[rough trout]

Any Math majors worked out yet how much additional dupes actually help 2B's DPS? Since she is bascially the first unit that draws DPS from 2 pools (ATK and HP)

[onyx crest]

why wouldn't it just be 2% like the others

at base she has a big number from 2 smaller numbers but you boost each of these smaller numbers by 2% so the big number in total is also boosted by 2%

for the same of simplicity

say an attacker has 200 attack and adding 2% to it would result into 204 atk

say a supporter draws atk from their total health and attack and has 100 health and 100 attack so 200 total now we add 2% to 100 health = 102 health and 2% to 100 attack is 102 attack again the end result is 204 atk an increase of 2%

[arctic sluice]

i mean at some point the hp number proably gets so inflated it stops mattering

[rough trout]

Because the hp number tends to be much higher than ATK. Your example uses small/equal value of hp=atk so it was easy to compare, but in game the difference between hp and atk values are much bigger

[onyx crest]

it could be 199 hp and 1 atk

same end result

because the increase is by % it is always the same %

[rough trout]

why would it be 2% dps increase then, if she is one of the only units who has her atk be buffed by another value other than atk?

i'd imagine it would be somewhat more than 2%

[onyx crest]

at base she already derives her value from hp

boosting her hp by 2% means she gets a 2% increase

[rough trout]

yes, and that for most other nikke does not matter

b/c they only care about atk increase

[onyx crest]

what happens is that 2b can scale harder

but

she scales harder at base too

[rough trout]

Exactly, and my question is by how much per core then

[onyx crest]

same %

[rough trout]

for other nikke we know it is 2%

[onyx crest]

still 2%

[rough trout]

2% of dps? Im not talking about just hp or atk separately

[onyx crest]

2% stats increase

DPS depends on other factors

[rough trout]

yes, my question is per core how much dps increas

[onyx crest]

without doing the math the answer should be the same as any other attacker who goes from say core 1 to 2 but i don't have any of the real values at hand to math it out

if someone is willing to provide all the stats i'll calculate it

[gusty hull]

I got blessed today, never thought I'd be happy seeing an abnormal defender piece

[hollow hull]

Modernia SI, 2B 7/7/7, OL level 1 on helmet and body

[fresh heron]

78s

she merely has 3rd burst

[hollow hull]

actually, the battle reached to 6th burst

thank to SHelm

[fresh heron]

I mean her own 3rd
78s is enough for 6 bursts

180s you can even throw 11 bursts in

[gusty hull]

damn son lookat the power point difference

[hollow hull]

My Scarlet is maxed on everything (except Burst, which lv 7), 2 ATK OLs and 3 Max ammo, yes max level on OLs as well

[fresh heron]

3 max ammo are 240% right?

insane

but she prefer 320%, so find the last one

[hollow hull]

she nearly hit 51 ammo

though, with Noir she can surpass that, 51 ammo sync with bastion cube is insane

[fresh heron]

51 is as same as me

[hollow hull]

yeah, 51 is the best stopping point

[fresh heron]

wdym?

there's no stopping point in ammo for scar

she prefers as many as possible

[jade sluice]

Ditto

[hollow hull]

i mean 51 ammo + bastion cube lv 7 give Scarlet the most out of dps

[fresh heron]

even at 350% ammo, she still gains more than atk OL can offer

[hollow hull]

above that is optional

waste of stones you know

[fresh heron]

if 50 is meant to guarantee max S1 in one rotation then yes

[hollow hull]

well, to reach that Max ammo, it's already cost many stones

[gusty hull]

I don't even have pilgrim parts to give to her and I'm overflowing on stones

[hollow hull]

about Abnormal gears: just let lv 1 NIKKE hold it

no need to feed it to upgrade other gears

[fresh heron]

actually lowest possible ammo for scarlet to reach max S1 in one rotation with Bastion lv 7 is 38 ammo

[grizzled kraken]

modernia fight

[smoky harbor]

U change opinion eh and go copium build?

How is ur opinion on 2b now?

Still wondering about should i +7 her or not

[jade sluice]

she has nice "asset" thats my take on her

[smoky harbor]

But need copium build?

[jade sluice]

i just ditto the man

if that scacrlet has another burst 2b would have lost the dps race

consider the entire team supporting 2b

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544939869667983361/1059729657601208431/e357x-x1m55_1.gif

[smoky harbor]

Well as current meta maybe she suit like on 4th/5th team on solo raid though

Based on damage output alone she is definitely better than my random sg team

But investing on 4th and 5th team is like easy to be outdated on further release

[jade sluice]

she will not come back

why holding back

[smoky harbor]

Another big gunpla re release is coming though

Need money for snorting plastic dust

[jade sluice]

saving for that pilgrim?

[smoky harbor]

No for another hobby

My golden is like 2000 alr

For next pligrim i guess im save

I was considering on +7 ing a2 though

[jade sluice]

[smoky harbor]

Lets see her after release and consider which one to +7

[jade sluice]

what is your cope on that

ah

[smoky harbor]

It is either a2 or 2b that i will +7

But ill definitely mlb both of it

[jade sluice]

[smoky harbor]

Good job for dev putting 6 limited banners in 2 months

[jade sluice]

and they have to make them good too so people want to core them

[smoky harbor]

Why i even play this game

[jade sluice]

[hollow hull]

Can anyone explain to me why Noise's burst combined with Mast's burst buff 2B lower than Frima + Mast?

[smoky harbor]

Stability of 40 sec burst?

I mean even the auto attack benefit from hp buff

So maybe that is the problem

[hollow hull]

oh, so their bursts sync but only different in cooldown?

[smoky harbor]

I mean frima have 20sec cd

And noise like 40sec

[hollow hull]

interesting, no wonder Frima + Mast buff better

[smoky harbor]

When running noise

U miss that 40% hp buff half of the time

Since u running it with volume

And frima technically buff 36% to 42% on burst time

So technically same with noise

Damage diff should be from that

[gusty hull]

frimmers' 4s buff is enough for 2booty to unleash pain with her burst, and her burst does like half of her damage lmao

[smoky harbor]

That full copium build should include frima with full overloaded charge speed tbf

And put lvl 9 resilience cube on her

[jade sluice]

first day release: "ok ok i have to lv up noise skill now"
3rd day: "ok ok they said its Frima this time"
any random day later: "ok ok its an random ass R rank nikke that i have to invest for 2b"

[smoky harbor]

My copium girl

[jade sluice]

B tier loli with more investment than Scarlet tier Limited Collab Booty Nikke

[hollow hull]

I don't have Noise, so no headache

[merry yacht]

New raid teams;

• Liter Blanc Alice Noir Scarlet
  Scarlet zombie strat.

• Dorothy Novel Priv Helm Mod
  Outheal the turret team.

• SMary/Pepper SHelm A2 Maxwell Guilty/Power
  Aim at the body team.

• Noise Mast 2B X Volume
  2B Tank team.

• Miranda Diesel SAnis Guillo Dolla
  Taunt team.

[dry bramble]

Mod on team 2?

[fresh heron]

A2 and Mod scale the most on ATK and you give Scarlet with Liter

[dire locust]

Let him cook

[merry yacht]

That statement implies that you dk nothing about next raid.

[dire locust]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[dry bramble]

Oh, please enlighten me!

I need to know the sauce

[dry bramble]

he's cooking alright

🔥

[merry yacht]

Blacksmith turret aims at highest ATK unit.

[fresh heron]

so it will aim at Mod, assuming Mod has 30% atk self buff

then

[dire locust]

Kise is almost there but not quite

Just one more cog

[merry yacht]

Alice burst?

Mod is not okay.

You need Fire unit.

[dry bramble]

How does Alice burst? Alice is on team 1, so Mod gets tentacle'd in team 2, and then, Alice bursts how?

[merry yacht]

Well, I'm sure my Doro will get tentacled.

[merry yacht]

Gives herself ATK.

Dorothy Blanc Alice Noir Priv will work.

But that's only if Doro's or Blanc's HP > Alice.

• Dorothy Blanc Alice Noir Privaty
  Privaty Doro strat.

• Liter Novel Scarlet Helm Mod
  Outheal the turret team.

• SMary/Pepper SHelm A2 Maxwell Guilty/Power
  Aim at the body team.

• Noise Mast 2B X Volume
  2B Tank team.

• Miranda Diesel SAnis Guillo Dolla
  Taunt team.

If you want Liter with Mod.

[dry bramble]

New raid teams;
Liter Blanc Alice Noir Scarlet
Scarlet zombie strat.

Dorothy Novel Priv Helm Mod
Outheal the turret team.

So like I don't get how can Alice burst when Mod gets attacked, when they are on different teams? Am I reading this wrong

[merry yacht]

If you want Priv with Mod, go the other team.

[merry yacht]

This is probably better.

But if your manual Alice skill is bad, this is really really really bad.

It relies a lot on TAPPING.

Iirc Doro + Priv still has delay

With good Alice

The reason why Priv was with Mod

Is because Priv + Mod + Resilience if high invested, is unlimited ammo Mod

Literally

Because you only lose half of ur firerate

On burst

You need to test whether the first or 2nd variant is better

[fresh heron]

You actually need around 90% reload to reload and not wind up with MG iirc

[hollow hull]

What is Scarlet Zombies?
Also Liter team is nice, consider that the twin buff scarlet a lot

[fresh heron]

no room for maxwell, sadly

red is fire

actually it should be Privaty who got hit

unless your Anis is so stacked

[hollow hull]

My Anis is not stacked, because i'm already stack on 2B

[merry yacht]

What

No

It doesnt work that way

Wtf

Snowwhite is a troll against this boss

No man

U dont want to rng for double hits here

[fresh heron]

just shoots normally

[merry yacht]

And what pascal doin

[fresh heron]

need a healer for that team, may be Mary should do If I had her

[merry yacht]

SMary has been deported

[fresh heron]

or rapunzel

yes, forget those 2, let me add

[merry yacht]

Trust me those teams wouldnt work

[dire locust]

Dont run sw?

[fresh heron]

define with arguement, not feeling bro

[dire locust]

Am i reading this correctly

[merry yacht]

The turrets are only a threat if:

• The highest attack unit is always the same unit, but this can be counterbalanced with healers.
• The highest attack unit relies on high HP (A2).
• The highest attack unit is a low HP unit (Guillotine).

The tentacle is a threat if:

• The Fire unit in your team has the highest HP.

Solutions:

• For low HP units, you can use taunter. Diesel is a good choice here or Noise. Note that Noise CANNOT hold a single turret instance alone without cover, not to mention twice in a row. That's why 2B and Noise are combined.
• For high HP unit, you need a healer, and another attacker that has MORE attack ALL THE TIME than the high HP unit.

[fresh heron]

alright so add a column for possible tentacle
Doesn't feel like a threat at all since I always have at least 1 fire to back it up or the fire never gets hit

[merry yacht]

More reasonable.

Team 3 is bad.

Negative burst gen.

[fresh heron]

a price to pay

will see on real battle

[clear forge]

Mf send the link then 💀💀 ?

[arctic sluice]

https://nikke.gg/2b-early-analysis/

[merry yacht]

Nice insight into why the fuck my Novel team isnt working

@ember chasm thanks for reminding me

That Novel burst is delayed

No wonder her damage felt weird

And also 50% of 2B's damage is in her auto attack

Slightly less

Burst is more prominent in bosses with no damage bonus / core

With core and damage bonus, its closer to half

[merry yacht]

I know

U tried to copy mine

But you changed the wording

Viewing it from a diff perspective

The Guides
"Can I borrow your homework?"
"Yes, but don't make it too obvious."

The People
“Guide A is shit. Guide B is better.”

[ember chasm]

?

i talked to kosmiu and tsukino

about everything

didn't really look at your guide

[merry yacht]

Says someone

[ember chasm]

i saw long

and skimmed

and liked it

[merry yacht]

Hmmmm

Sus

[ember chasm]

?

homie, you arn't the only
math dude in existence

[merry yacht]

Iknow

But on prydwen u said

"I will take some from your guide."

Hmmmmmm

HMMM

Jk

Bro just jokes

Chill

[ember chasm]

[merry yacht]

I wanted to make a meme on the community

[ember chasm]

you did good tho

[merry yacht]

We are friends right

[ember chasm]

we like guides

[merry yacht]

Yes

[ember chasm]

yeah, we gucci

[merry yacht]

I want to meme on the community

Who takes sides

In the future Ill include more maths too

@fresh heron and insert his graph

[fresh heron]

copy it urself bro

[ember chasm]

i think prydwen is fine, i feel like newbies died looking at my guide

[fresh heron]

I'm breathing with my ass literally

[merry yacht]

Its detailed

[ember chasm]

prydwen is much easier to understand i think

[fresh heron]

burpee is killing me

[merry yacht]

But so many technicalitied

That only veterans know

[ember chasm]

yeah

i'm very

non-newbie friendly

on my 2b

analysis

sadge

exactly why i added this

[dire locust]

???

[ember chasm]

?

oh right

did i talk to you too

i forgor

[merry yacht]

More like extension of Prydwen

You took it further

[fresh heron]

nah fam if you don't remember it doesn't matter

[merry yacht]

With maths and stuff

[dire locust]

[fresh heron]

[merry yacht]

I dont bother writing

Try latex

Better format

[dire locust]

Its okay im just an extension of tsuki

I dont exist

Just a worthless sack of potatoes

[ember chasm]

tsuki gave me all the damage calcs

[real egret]

nerds

[merry yacht]

You need to make team examples for pve la

[ember chasm]

2b really ain't that good for story

[merry yacht]

[ember chasm]

i was like

fook it

[merry yacht]

Bossing

[real egret]

bunnies+alice+mod would be better damage no?

for bossing

in story

[ember chasm]

oh yeah def

[merry yacht]

Bro: Prydwen made bossing teams, Imma make PvP teams instead.

Actually

2B is so good in PvP

We tried some stuff

2B Jackal Biscu Centi Anis can kill most non Noah scar Jack team

*not Blanc

Jackal alone is enough

[merry yacht]

What r u gonna write in A2 analysis

It has lots of maths and new mechanics

Such as forced animation

[ember chasm]

iunno, she's looking mighty nerfed atm

looks like

charge speed

decreases jank anim as well

but

[merry yacht]

It doesnt

[ember chasm]

gotta actually have the unit to test

[merry yacht]

Reduce jank animation

In B Mode, its shorter

Basically free charge speed above the written charge speed

Lmao

[ember chasm]

[merry yacht]

But the actual chg spd is 1.84s.

Not 1s.

[dire locust]

[ember chasm]

i'm tiredge

wrote too many stuff

• 2 other games

unfunny

i'll think about 2a when she's out

[merry yacht]

It's 1 + 0.84s off burst

0.4 in burst

[dire locust]

Just dont copy anyones homework

[merry yacht]

Set number

[merry yacht]

Wdym

We copy each other's homework

Thats teamwork

Save time and effort

The end result is the same

[smoky harbor]

Journalism rely on copy pasta btw

So as thesis

[ember chasm]

i copied from you

too smort

[merry yacht]

I copied from Skyjlv

Noise Novel was my initial thought

But I was wondering

Why isnt my 2B dealing damage

Apparently I didnt wait for damage taken

To set it

Everu

Single

Time

[smoky harbor]

Ask sth

[merry yacht]

Im leaning toward Noise Mast now

[smoky harbor]

Why dont u put

[merry yacht]

As I wrote in Prydwen

2B will always benefit from Mast

[smoky harbor]

Rapun + frima instead

For b1

[merry yacht]

But Guillotine wouldnt, after a certain point

[smoky harbor]

And use mast for 2nd burst

Dps drop?

[merry yacht]

Where CDR

[smoky harbor]

Idk but like 4 hours ago someone mention
Noise + volume + mast
Actually result in damage drop vs
Frima + mast alone

I mean for 2b

Not the whole team

Since whole team damage seems need more test and calc

The problem i guess frima kinda perma buff 42% hp increase every burst while noise do it like 40 sec

So less up time

Thats my theory though

[merry yacht]

Cus Frima is the Best in slot

[smoky harbor]

But running frima is kind of copium overdose

Less cdr for sure so means less burst

[merry yacht]

Whats ur frima investment

Wtf

Noise investment?

[smoky harbor]

Well tbf my account is kind of cursed

Noise +7 currently 4 4 9

Frima i guess +3

With 4 4 4

[merry yacht]

The skill

[smoky harbor]

Dont ask why my noise have lvl 9 ult

[merry yacht]

Thats weird

Cus my Noise is dealing more

:/

[smoky harbor]

Well my 2b is not invested well tbf

[merry yacht]

Do you count team damage or 2B damage?

[smoky harbor]

I mean standard 0 overload lvl 0 equipments and 4/4/4

[smoky harbor]

2b

[merry yacht]

Team damage Frima is better.

[smoky harbor]

For team damage idk if it will be damage drop or not

[dire locust]

Dam still frima coping

[merry yacht]

Noise fucks up Mast S1 buff.

You lose crit damage.

Not coping.

Frima is the best.

[smoky harbor]

Ask shift up eh give me like +3 frima

[merry yacht]

Skyjlv confirmed already.

He has all cores.

[dire locust]

How about just not bursting frima or noise

[smoky harbor]

Ermm my point is

Idk if viable maybe u can put like 2b as separate team

Just focus on her stuff

[merry yacht]

Just Volume Mast?

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

Want to gamble crit more than actual damage?

[dire locust]

Lets think about this slowly

[ember chasm]

That's SR malding for you

[dire locust]

Who are the two best b3s with mast

[granite garden]

We still debating 2B good/bad or?

[ember chasm]

[smoky harbor]

Anis and scarlet

[ember chasm]

She's good

[dire locust]

Good

[smoky harbor]

Or gui

I guess

[merry yacht]

No one.

[dire locust]

Rong

[merry yacht]

Vesti and Isabel.

[dire locust]

[smoky harbor]

[dire locust]

Can we be serious

[granite garden]

Guilotinne?

[merry yacht]

I'm very very serious.

[dire locust]

Yes guillo and 2b

So what happens if u burst noise to try to benefit 2b with guillo mast on the team

Guillo mast lose dmg

[merry yacht]

Here one more question.

[smoky harbor]

Btw that hp up from frima is actually healing right?

[merry yacht]

Who is the best pair for SAnis?

[dire locust]

Just burst volume and leave noise on her own taunting

[merry yacht]

Guillotine and Scar.

So Guillotine works in both.

Skill issue.

[smoky harbor]

Wait

[merry yacht]

Guillotine benefits from SAnis more than Mast.

Let me tell you.

[smoky harbor]

How about frima - mast - gui - 2b
And put like litter - novel - s anis - scarlet - privati?

I mean we just need the most optimal damage for 2 teams right

[merry yacht]

Gui cannot be healed.

[dire locust]

this comping

I give up

[smoky harbor]

[dire locust]

Not u dieru

[granite garden]

Imagine all this debate and after A2 they casually release another HP scaling unit

[smoky harbor]

Well then we debate again

[smoky harbor]

Well idk what setup for not healed gui and scarlet

[granite garden]

My 2B still in bench since i dont have mast :/

[smoky harbor]

But seems too risky if we run like no heal team

[fresh heron]

still need to math if novel is better than Mast

and making super ultimate god tier level of sheet

[smoky harbor]

Actually i use yuni on last raid to compensate lack of healing for my scarlet and s anis

While yuni be like +1 ammo to s anis

But it is stable team with no many retry

I tried running no heal for solo raid and i am kind of need reseting 100 times

But at least my scarlet will be on 20-40% hp when running that comp

Not ideal though i know

[ember chasm]

Math these fists

[merry yacht]

He's saying that:

• Volume Mast Gui 2B Noise (no burst)
• Miranda Dolla SAnis Scar Sin

Is better than:

• Volume Mast 2B X Noise (burst)
• Miranda Dolla SAnis Guillo Sin

[ember chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-stuffed-toy-gif-16184358

Where even is sky in the SR rankings

I don't seem him much

[dire locust]

Have no idea how u arrived at the second comp lmao

[ember chasm]

[merry yacht]

SR things

Need fire

[ember chasm]

Is he even in top 10?

[fresh heron]

I did see him in top 50

but not sure top 10

[ember chasm]

Oof. Top 50

[fresh heron]

don't expect streamer to be top 10 bro, he plays a lot of games. The fact that he's even in top 50 means boy really spends extra effort not looking at physics

[real egret]

he got rank 7 (5.1bn) on first try

[real egret]

then maybe he just didn't bother anymore?

[summer wren]

Yess

[fresh heron]

oh my man

a real gentleman

[smoky harbor]

74 ammo scarlet

[fresh heron]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-more-bullets-gif-6493979152995335147

[ember chasm]

Does he?
I mostly only see nikke
And nikke videos

[fresh heron]

oh?

no wonder he reaches high

[ember chasm]

Doesn't He pump out like 3 nikke videos at least in a week

Let me see

[real egret]

he moved on to nikke2

[fresh heron]

oh no

[real egret]

shiftup in shambles

[fresh heron]

we lost him

forever

same as Tim

wait Tim hasn't left right?

and damn I just pun myself

[ember chasm]

Tim went on

To play holocure

[fresh heron]

smh my head

[ember chasm]

I can barely open nikke

But I need to do relic maps

And shtty unit reviews

[summer wren]

Holocure is that a medicine for the disease reality?

[dire locust]

Just copy kisenix homework

[smoky harbor]

Maybe i should get serious on solo raid

[ember chasm]

[smoky harbor]

I just do sweep2

[ember chasm]

I was so brain rotted when doing 2b

[summer wren]

Imagine trying on solo raid after top 3%

[ember chasm]

I literally just wanted to copy paste my early thoughts

[smoky harbor]

I did that like at 1st solo raid eh

Now kinda chill for peace of mind

[summer wren]

Yeah

[smoky harbor]

Just a border and 5 dollar gems

[summer wren]

Not worth

Work gives more gems

[smoky harbor]

But well it is an achievement by itself

So i understand why peeps tryhard

[real egret]

top unions probably ask for past solo raid score if you wanna join em

though

[dire locust]

[smoky harbor]

i dont want to clock in at server reset and work in sleepy head

[summer wren]

Imagine

[fresh heron]

Novel then

bye Mast

it's not like I have Mast anyway

[smoky harbor]

[fresh heron]

something feels off

should be higher on Mast's case

[smoky harbor]

U run like 2b damage alone or as a team?

[fresh heron]

assuming B1 and B2 have literally no effect

think of Soldier OW

Pinne

adding team effect is the 2nd thing I need to do

[smoky harbor]

I should see the math eh

[smoky harbor]

But should be easier to solve by calculus

[fresh heron]

right now it isolates all the buff so some may be low

Snow White for example

she scales so hard on attack

due to her burst

[smoky harbor]

Ermm how is the damage taken thing do in equation

[summer wren]

How does novel ult work again?

You gotta wait 1 sec?

[smoky harbor]

Nvm i understand

[real egret]

holistically, novel should be better
mast +87% max hp effect has diminishing returns by the fact that 2b herself can already get +80% max hp after 3 bursts

and novel also buffs your other dps

[summer wren]

Yep

I just slap 2b on the main dps team for ult dmg now

Dorothy 2b scarlet modernia all does 20-30mil range

With novel

[smoky harbor]

The buff itself is broken
Idk how it work but if his calc is correct
17159 + 71777 * 6.16% + 71777 * 6.16% * (80% from 2b 87.9 from mast)
While novel be like
(17159 + 71777 * 6.16% + 71777 * 6.16% * 80%) * 0.5 (assuming -def stat dont work)
(17159 + 71777 * 6.16% + 71777 * 6.16% * 80%) *1.675 * 0.5

Wait i need calc

[merry yacht]

Mast is better cus Novel buffs other dps

Written on guide

[smoky harbor]

[merry yacht]

One more thing

Volume Mast 2B Gui Noise does work

But

[smoky harbor]

17159+ 4421 + 7422 = 29002
For mast

For novel
17159 +4421 + 3356 = 24936
Adj by 0.5
Assuming -def not working
24936 * 0.5 + 24936 * 1.675 * 0.5
33531.9

Novel then 15% higher

Confirm ur calculation @fresh heron

[fresh heron]

just finish my snack, wait a minute

yeah bro

Novel gives you 15% diff

but kinda wasted since you can use Novel for something beefier

while 2B doesn't lose much with Mast

[smoky harbor]

Yeah mast is more demanding in comp

👍

[empty rock]

why is sin even in the comp???

[clear forge]

Taunt healer

Bro thinks it'll work 💀
Maybe it will idfk

I dont have mid

[smoky harbor]

Hold up

@fresh heron ask sth

Do u use lvl 200 as base?

Maybe there is a problem from multiplier

[fresh heron]

I use lv 600

Lorax stat

[smoky harbor]

Ah ok

Nvm

I just found scaling become worse and worse by level
200: 4.524 hp to attack ratio
Lvl 379: 42.515 hp to attack ratio

My math is wrong somehow

[fresh heron]

gear affects

from Lorax stat

lv 200, 400, 600

hp / atk is exact same 41.25

[smoky harbor]

Ah ok

Thanks

[merry yacht]

Its been changed to Diesel

[clear forge]

Well, good

I suggested that like 50 days ago I think

[summer wren]

[real egret]

diesel's taunt uptime is crap though

I tried her on train to save guillo/scarlet, couldn't get the timing

[merry yacht]

Enuf for the turrets

[summer wren]

Lol

[merry yacht]

Need to reroll values

U will never beat this

[clear forge]

Never?

[merry yacht]

I have crit on 3rd OL

U mf

[clear forge]

Mid

[merry yacht]

@dire locust Rapunzel better

Ditch Guillotine

Add Rapunzel, perma max HP

And healing too

Volume Mast 2B X Rapu

Much better

For critting

Fuck Noise

Who cares about Noise

Jk

Helm might work

Wait thats nornal attack

[summer wren]

yeah not worried got like elements on the other 3 already

[merry yacht]

Crit?

Mf so crit oriented

Hmm

HMMMMMM

Hmmm

HMMMMMMMMMM

hmmmmmmm

Only one way to find out

Perfection.

Conclusion: In shorter battles, Noise is better.

In longer battles, I can argue that Rapunzel is better.

There is a huge emphasis on S1 investment for the latter.

And Mast too.

Mast body overload increases 2B damage.

2B should be 7/10/7+ for optimal performance.

[compact olive]

God, I wish I have Mast

[echo stone]

Is this still up to date? (the priority order of overload gear) cuz I just roll and sacrifice my 10% atk to get 5% atk and 10 hit rate. It's not worth it right?

[minor remnant]

Hey prydwen guy and nikkegg guy don’t forget to update your synchro guide

[merry yacht]

No

Not uptodate

[merry yacht]

The up-to-date guide is there on Prydwen and Nikke.gg.

[echo stone]

So 10% atk is better than 5%atk and 10 hit rate?

[merry yacht]

Best OLs are Elemental Damage > Crit Rate > ATK > Ammo/HitRate.

[echo stone]

Thanks

[compact frost]

anyone tested with lb0 2b?

is she trash

[lost delta]

[clear forge]

Eh, she works

Cuz all my other DPS are also lb0

Alice lb1
Guillo lb1
Scar lb0
2b lb0
Anis lb0
SW lb0
Mw lb1

Bricked account

Oh yeah, modernia lb1

Your 8 dps sir

[compact frost]

hmm

[jade sluice]

this sounds so sad

[compact frost]

average dps for lb0 2b?

[clear forge]

I can't compare properly rn but as soon as I have her on par with them I'll try to send a comparison

For now my scarlet is winning substantially

[compact frost]

[clear forge]

I probably need to invest a bit in mast

[clear forge]

Ez top 200 raid

Global mid

[compact frost]

being a NA player kinda sucks

my 2b prob wont be able to get same dps as my mlb scar

[dire locust]

this wont work

tentacle hits highest hp which will be 2b

need a taunt on slot 5

[winged verge]

vs SI Alteisen

[jade sluice]

not as good as sanis for auto train

[winged verge]

S Anis at burst 5 without Privaty would do significantly worse tho

My 2B is still only 5/8/5

[winged verge]

Also

Why not just use both?

[jade sluice]

Her normal shot dps just too low

Dorothy can do better job nuking

[winged verge]

Still a faster clear time than with Scarlet

[jade sluice]

this team i dont even need to control

[grizzled kraken]

train

[viral lava]

So, is no one pissed that 2B's burst doesn't clear projectiles?

[onyx crest]

that is a good thing

distributing that damage to projectiles can lead to a lot of waste

at least scarlet doesn't have a cap so it's okay if she wastes many millions of dmg on projectiles but 2b can't afford to do that

[viral lava]

It wouldn't be a waste bc it's not distributed dmg

That's only Dorothy's burst and s2

Bursts like scarlet's and Harran's do the same damage to all enemies regardless of how many there are

And 2B has the same type of description as them

[minor remnant]

Bruh

[jade sluice]

2b is dog for train, no free train with 2b

shiet gun

[dire locust]

[viral lava]

[dire locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169657939820625/1147243908779221012/1693527797346948.gif

[viral lava]

Mb fam I can't read 💀

[dire locust]

[echo stone]

Does distributed dmg spread equally? I was thinking like if there is 5 Rapture and we do 10,000 dmg it should do 2,000 each right? But if there is one rapture that have only 100 hp left 👁️👄👁️ it will still be 2000 each and that 1900 will go to waste right?

[real egret]

yea

don't think there's any overkill prevention in this game

since scarlet's damage record gets massively exaggerated when she clears land eater's bombs for example

[gusty hull]

there aren't any overkill preventions. I've seen a lot of confirmations

scarlet is good, but her numbers sometimes get inflated

[vivid loom]

But in terms of PvP, Noise is the better option here

But I agree, not because I'm a Frima simp. Frima is overall better in terms of PvE

[verbal copper]

Are you expecting them to pre-calculate each target's hp, before nuking them properly without wasting any damage?

[dire locust]

no more frima cooks please

[fresh heron]

just use Volume

[vivid loom]

ok

[dire locust]

dont brick your account on bad advice

[real egret]

who would actually give bad advice in this server?

[dire locust]

not maliciously bad advice

[hollow hull]

this would be better if that is not 2B, i'm looking at A2 roll...

[merry yacht]

This is better than hitrate, kinda.

But against bosses with core, top might be better, but bottom feels better.

@dire locust It will work, if 2B takes enough damage.

[hollow hull]

doesn't matter, i will reroll anyway

[merry yacht]

You just let her take enough damage so another unit gets tentacled instead.

[dire locust]

[hollow hull]

that sound so right and so "wrong" at the same time

[merry yacht]

That's your mind.

[merry yacht]

What does this even mean?

You keep sending that.

[dire locust]

its when i got nothing to respond with

just to say i acknowledge ur message

[merry yacht]

Well, you can use Noise.

Use her burst for the first 3.

Use Volume for 4th+.

[dire locust]

[compact frost]

[merry yacht]

What the fuck.

This is a plague now.

[dire locust]

[compact frost]

[merry yacht]

I think Noise might be better.

[compact frost]

[merry yacht]

I'd go with Noise burst the first 3 times.

Then Volume for more crits after max S1.

Noise also has more damage.

Technically.

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

The next question is if:

• Miranda Diesel SAnis Scar/Gui Dolla
• Volume Mast 2B Scar/Gui Noise

This is the biggest dilemma.

[dire locust]

how tf u getting that first team

[merry yacht]

Miranda is fire.

SAnis or Diesel will get tentacled.

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

Dolla for CDR and burst regen.

[dire locust]

what server r u again

[compact frost]

[merry yacht]

SAnis allows Gui to reach "iinfinite" ammo.

[merry yacht]

SEA

I know you are NA

I want Scar with 2B more.

Gui burst regen is shit

Even with Noise

[dire locust]

so u dont own sw or something?

[merry yacht]

And <110% rl spd exposes you to 0.2s deadtime.

So infinite ammo Gui works better.

[dire locust]

u not owning sw is the only explanation

i can find in my head

for this cook

[merry yacht]

SW for Blacksmith?

Also no SW is true, but using SW here is copium.

Need to RNG for her double hit.

[dire locust]

ah ok

that explains a lot

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059468005911830558/1147771799304687706/20230606_215514.gif

[merry yacht]

SW too expensive.

Just need more Elementals so I can reach top 50.

[dire locust]

top 50 doesnt require much luck or money

friend is top 50 complete f2p

[merry yacht]

If I dont misinvest in MW burst, ye

[dire locust]

[echo stone]

Is Maxwell really that good? Can she be comparable with any top dps? I heard about her many time and have her s1 at lv.8 for Alice and burst at lv.5 but she's underwhelming for me. Is she's an expensive unit like Alice?

[real egret]

ye

you want her s1 to be 10 asap

like privaty and alice

[echo stone]

Thanks, I was about to reset her skill in the next reset. Now i might consider building her

[dire locust]

maxwell is a character u want to aim for 10/4/10

well 10/1/10 is prob a bit more optimal

but the jump from 1 to 4 is nothing so it looks a bit cleaner at 4

🙂

[merry yacht]

Privaty is overrated (S1 doesnt benefit THAT much)

Alice S1 doesnt need to be 10 if ur chg spd lines are already enough

2B S1 and A2 > Privaty S1

As for Alice it depends on ur OL

If not enough charge speed then that takes priority

Otherwise thats useless

7/10/7 for both A2 and 2B.

A2 burst is least priority

Because you can cope with OL