[2B] New Unit Megathread

[onyx crest]

doesn't compete for gear

doesn't eat up your crystals

only expensive skill book wise

[digital summit]

where did you find that

[onyx crest]

scroll up 2 screens lol

[pallid violet]

Thats what expensive means

3x10 level skills is expensive

[onyx crest]

you don't need 10/10/10

[pallid violet]

Barely any units need all their skills at 10

[onyx crest]

this isn't alice

or sw

[pallid violet]

Well you havent been paying attention then if u think that

[onyx crest]

i have

[pallid violet]

All her skills scale well

[onyx crest]

yes they do scale well

but an 8/8/8 2B isn't suddenly B tier

meanwhile you have 3 attacker pilgrims

do you have 3 full pilgrim sets?

then all 3 want your crystals

[arctic sluice]

Yes I do

[onyx crest]

how are the OL lines?

[arctic sluice]

4 ammo on scar, 4 attack on snow, 3 ammo on mod and hit rate attack on the other piece

And some em around somewhere don’t remember off the top of my head

[onyx crest]

now if we were to ask 100 random ppl who would say they have that shit

you need to run a lot of SI to collect 3 full pilgrim attacker sets

[arctic sluice]

It’s all rng

[onyx crest]

yep and i believe it should be mentioned that 2B is very light on this side of the RNG

[arctic sluice]

And even if you get defender abnormal gear

[elder geyser]

yes it's all rng indeed

[arctic sluice]

The odds still have to be in your favor to get a full set

[onyx crest]

true but at least it's a 1x thing

[dense hound]

Is crit rate substat wort rolling for?
2-7% per slot kinda low imo

[elder geyser]

i have 3 set pilgrim yet it doesn't drop 2nd tetra boots for me

[onyx crest]

i'm just saying i think it's an overlooked thing

2B's gearing process is a lot easier

[arctic sluice]

Yea but equipment is always just gonna be get lucky

It’s all account based

And how long you’ve been playing

[onyx crest]

roughly 4 months

on this acc

and that third pilgrim set is a pain

hopefully anni is not an attacker pilgrim

[arctic sluice]

I think with how shift up has been implementing this units

I would be very very wary to take any character to 101010

[onyx crest]

we have skill resets luckily

[arctic sluice]

Cause sanis and now 2b are super strong but require 1010x

[onyx crest]

but we don't have gear resets

at least you don't set your acc back by skilling up someone who gets powercrept later

you don't get your crystals back but 2b doesn't need them much anyway

[arctic sluice]

I think the real case for 2b armor wise is just

You don’t need good rolls

Just stats

[onyx crest]

yes as i said

gearing is a big pro

[arctic sluice]

So you could just get a set

[onyx crest]

but it isn't mentioned

[arctic sluice]

But getting the set is the hard part

[onyx crest]

nah

you say 'it's all rng'

but it's much easier to land abnormal defender once

than pilgrim attacker x3

[arctic sluice]

The odds are the same

[onyx crest]

no they really are not

[arctic sluice]

Well you’re right the odds are in favor of getting one abnormal set

But again it’s still rng

[desert furnace]

i have seen more abnormal sets than pilgrim sets

[arctic sluice]

And my account has more pilgrim sets than abnormal defenders

[desert furnace]

and majority of my drops are defender/supporter

[arctic sluice]

That’s just the way account rng goes

I have 4 full pilgrim attacker sets lol

And only 1 full defender abnormal set

[desert furnace]

at one point i only saw abnormal equipment from manu box

[arctic sluice]

U you pure more likely to get a full defender abnormal set

You’re also just as likely to get 4 defender abnormal helmets

[desert furnace]

i have 6

[arctic sluice]

So it’s literally just what does your account give you

[desert furnace]

i will proceed to bring a horse to shiftup to beg them to change my account's luck

[arctic sluice]

[echo stone]

If I don't have Scarlet what could be the 2nd best B3 in the team? (I always play Gui,Anis and Alice,Modernia together tho.... )

[sick tapir]

Do you think she belongs in the s tier or should she be put at ss

[echo stone]

Was always looking for the 3rd team for UR/SR. now that she could be it but I don't have Scarlet for the team
Or maybe A2?

[onyx crest]

for soloraid she's definitely in the top 25 nikke you want to use

i think SSS tier is correct in that sense she'll have a 100% usage rate

the other modes have better alternatives

no tower presence, story is on lock down and for pvp between scarlet/sanis all of 2b's supports are taken

2b's a really good pvp pull for players who don't have both scarlet + sanis (or alice)

but if you do then 2b doesn't matter

so my view on 2B is that she's a mandatory pull for raids but not any other mode

all in all excellent limited character though we've seen worse

[merry yacht]

It says need high investments. Without investments (aka zero investments), she is shit than most units. Whats wrong

[onyx crest]

the statement isn't wrong just that it isn't the full picture

gearing is a part of investment and that's a lot easier

skill wise for sure

heavy investment

[merry yacht]

Everything is explained above

Pros and cons are just summary

As I said, 5/10/5 and move from there

7/10/7 if u want to save gold books

Thats probably me endgoal

7/10/7

Just need to reset Maxwell

I want my books back

And Guilty too

Theyre getting overshadowed after Alexander

Nvm

Im resetting Mod first

[fleet ocean]

Any best 2B composition ? I was using this hitting the highest 2B dmg i ever have. @clear forge

[merry yacht]

10/10/4 now, will make it 10/7/4.

[dense hound]

Bruh playing without CDR and put Isabelle in the comp

What a madlad

[merry yacht]

What is Isabel doing there

[fleet ocean]

simulation withou the best team

[onyx crest]

if you have jackal i don't think you need centi too cuz jackal will take care of burst generation

[merry yacht]

Volume Dolla/SHelm Mast 2B Isabel is the burst team.

[gusty hull]

You don't need to optimize when you have money

[fleet ocean]

cus 2b won't in the best team

[dense hound]

I think Isabell is good for 2B comp only just to keep bursting more since she's the only unit that shorten burst duration .

[onyx crest]

vesti

[fleet ocean]

i do try helm

but only got 70000000

i don't know why

[merry yacht]

Cus that team has 0 CDR, its not optimal by any means

[fleet ocean]

i know that

[onyx crest]

replace centi for cdr and go again

[fleet ocean]

so i try change centi with helm

[onyx crest]

should be an easy upgrade

maybe volume

[fleet ocean]

but dmg decrease

[onyx crest]

bigger cdr

[dense hound]

Opsie, forgot about her

[merry yacht]

And running 0 healer team is kinda gigachad (assuming its solo raid).

Helm is bad

Because deactivates Mast

Ive posted a blog on Prydwen

[fleet ocean]

she got cdr tho

[merry yacht]

About her best team

Confirmed by Skyjlv's testing™

Well I wrote it before skyjlv

Sooooo

[merry yacht]

Helm or SHelm

[fleet ocean]

S

[merry yacht]

SHelm is fine but u get burst choke

Still

Must be Volume minimum

[fleet ocean]

l i will try

[gusty hull]

@merry yacht give me the link to her blog

[onyx crest]

https://blog.prydwen.gg/2023/09/02/2b-review-and-ratings/

[merry yacht]

@clear forge pin it

[merry yacht]

Skyjlv finds Frima Mast 2B FLEX Dolla/SHelm is her current best team.

But people can get away with Noise.

If you use Noise, you can't Noise everywhere else.

[sick tapir]

Oh shelm can work wit her?

[fleet ocean]

🤔 Frima ? her HP+ really worth it? not very high

[merry yacht]

Noise requires Volume.

[onyx crest]

frima has constant hp%

at least she works

[merry yacht]

Frima can use Volume OR Dolla OR Shelm.

[balmy sail]

I don't have Novel either.

[merry yacht]

Quency

[fleet ocean]

no quency

[merry yacht]

If no Quency, Mast, or Novel ure absolutely doomed.

[fleet ocean]

she need use burst

[merry yacht]

Juse use Guilty and cope.

[fleet ocean]

she can't copy 2B 's high ATK

[onyx crest]

scarlet's atk will be copied

is fine

[merry yacht]

Because no other B2 can help 2B.

So just go the DPS route.

Oh well u have Blanc.

[fleet ocean]

lol

got it

[merry yacht]

But Blanc belongs to someone else.

[fleet ocean]

nah blanc not for 2B

better DPS need her

[merry yacht]

I'm just telling him.

[balmy sail]

Oh shoot. I think I do have Frima

[merry yacht]

And 2B has a high damage cap.

Mast investment plays a HUGE role.

Frima too.

Noise if you use her too.

Limit breaks.

2B's damage cap is much higher than almost everyone else.

Everyone else is gated by attack.

2B is just FEED HER WITH HP.

[fleet ocean]

nice advice

[hollow hull]

Ain't maxwell need for Alice team?

[open ibex]

b3 hp buffer when

[merry yacht]

If your Alice has no full charge speed

Yes

Otherwise Maxwell goes with SW or Modernia.

A2 will probably go with Alice.

For more charge speed.

[summer wren]

[merry yacht]

That team is fast burst

Alice team needs to fill burst every 2s after full burst

Because thats literally Liter's max buff

A2 will help that

By A LOT

A2 charge speed is permanent

So she will quickly fill burst

And her S1 lasts for 5 more sec after her burst

So she hits all parts

[clear forge]

Literally the 2nd hardest bullshit to get ingame but go ahead

[merry yacht]

Instant burst

[hollow hull]

Why does A2 go with Alice for more charge spd? all of A2's skill about buffing herself.

[onyx crest]

we'll reach a point where you will just skill reset and don't give a fuck

cya in 2 years

[hollow hull]

oh fill burst

[merry yacht]

Yeah, thats why she goes with Alice

Liter Blanc Alice Noir are so strong

That u need 1 more dps

Not another buffer

Lol

Thats why Max is thrown out

[clear forge]

Read again

It's written that to actually get her to match scarlet or beat scarlet you need those investments. Which is why you should be using her anyway, for UR or SR to beat out scarlet dps

[merry yacht]

Max dps isnt the best

A2 will go in

Replacing Mod

Mod will move out

To join Maxwell and the gang™

I mean

[onyx crest]

you think scarlet is any easier to invest into?

[merry yacht]

Maxwell and SnowWhite/Helm

[onyx crest]

2b vs scarlet investment

2b is still lighter

[clear forge]

Yes. Scarlet output is insanely high even at low investments

That is why she's so fucking good

[merry yacht]

Scarlet only needs S1

[onyx crest]

2b fucking sucks

[merry yacht]

Tyats it

10/1/1 good

2B

Start from 5/10/5

Go up to 7/10/7

Then 10/10/10

Or if u dont want to

Its fine

Esp her burst

Dont

Also Frima just leave it at 1/3/3 or 1/5/5, 1/3/3 best, 1/3/5 most optimal

For 2B 10/10/7

[hollow hull]

don't forget Mast

[merry yacht]

Mast 5/3/5 is fine

For Mast

U need to OL her body

And max it

Or leave it at 2/3

Limit breaks important too

Put her in wishlist

Frima is 2% per level, Mast is 4% per level on burst

5 to 6 is 126

4 to 5 is 42

Frima to 5 is more worth than Mast to 6

But Frima S1 is 0.3%

2B S1 is 4% per level

So Frima's cost must be 1/12 of upgrade cost of 2B

Thats why I said

1/3/5

I do maths

So u dont have to do then

[onyx crest]

i don't know what you guys are after but top 3% is free so i don't need all that shit

lol

[elder geyser]

[balmy sail]

Oh damn, I don't have Frima, S.Mary nor Noise, shame. Oh well, guess I'll just stick with Dorothy for B1, unless Volume would do?

[hollow hull]

oh thank God, my mast is 5/4/5, Frima is 3/3/3

[elder geyser]

even tho they reduce competition for the frame but top 1% is still juicy 1k8 gem tho, and it's achievable for me

lacking of bunnies duo is really pain in the a** for me

[merry yacht]

You need to make sure something

[real egret]

so looks like I just missed kisenix’ special, what’s the tl;dr?

[merry yacht]

If Mast is level 5 then 66.1% right

Then Frima's buff can't reach 32.1%

Remember

Dont

[real egret]

Frima Mast Volume 2B b3 dps?

[merry yacht]

Overinvest

In Frima

Yes

Mast current HP + Frima buff < (Mast + Burst buff + Frima buff) * 70%

Btw

That is a requirement

[balmy sail]

Would an MLB Volume be better than one Dorothy for B1 if I don't have Frima, Noise or S.Mary?

[merry yacht]

Volume better

[balmy sail]

Thanks mate.

Could you also elaborate a bit as to why, since I haven't used Volume all that much before, if you'd please? 🙂

[merry yacht]

Doro better for units who aim most parts

[clear forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYHHRbxJsaY

This guy is fun

Sometimes

[onyx crest]

this time for sure

scarlet has been powercrept

trust

[hollow hull]

2B burst doesn't hit on body part, right?

[merry yacht]

Blog explains everything

Or does it not

Did I forget

I must have erased that

[hollow hull]

Part Damage is a big no because her burst damage does NOT aim for parts.

[winter arrow]

Dorothy is much more aimed for bosses that have parts, so that's out of the question

[merry yacht]

Ok thanks its there

I was deleting some parts

To make it shorter

Like 30%

Lmao

[hollow hull]

Well, the info is small compare to the whole blog, but yeah.

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/2b
You paste the whole blog into here

[merry yacht]

Its antillar

Not me

[hollow hull]

And why the skirtless version

I'm actually prefer her original version

[onyx crest]

that design isn't even her original

feels like a fanmade mix between skirtless and skirt

in nier automata you wouldn't be able to see her leg and half her ass when she has a skirt

[pallid violet]

u can do that in automata too u just self destruct and heal yourself

even official figures have the skirtless version

or do u mean why that in the blog 😆 then i agree with u ahaha

[trail jackal]

Currently, which units work best with 2Booty?

[hollow hull]

I know, but the skirt version makes more sense if you talks about default design.

[abstract hazel]

Mast for sure, then Frima

[vague dawn]

2B is mathematically the highest-attack unit in the game.

There yall have it

[trail jackal]

While that might be true, it's very important to check the requirements for doing that

How hard is to reach her peak and if she by herself can compete with Scarlet+ S.Anis for example

[onyx crest]

full team wise 2b team is probably gimped

literbunnies run with someone else

if scarlet's best performance is with sanis

who does 2b really team up with to keep up with scarlet/sanis and alice/modernia

not 2b's fault

2b's partner fault

maybe you push a2 into one of those teams to bring scarlet into 2b but idk if that works out well for the overal team score

[gusty hull]

that's why I'm getting only one copy. Gonna wait for that powerful life/low life buffer

[onyx crest]

i just feel like it's a bit of a waste that you built a team to buff up 2b as much as possible and whoever gets partnered with 2b doesn't gain from those hp buffs

just need 2 2b

[thorny raptor]

just use volume mast 2b guilo flex

[gusty hull]

plot twist red hood is a hp-based attacker

[onyx crest]

or crown or chime i'm fine with anybody

chime top dps would be funny

[gusty hull]

or gimme some b3 cdr supporter pls

[hybrid mantle]

Do I need more copies for 2b or is one enough?

[azure flower]

1 is enough

[mild valley]

how much stronger is 2 star and mlb vs 1 copy?

i dunno how much hp scales or is it minimal?

[azure flower]

minimal

but if you got the $$ go for mlb

pretty much the thought process for most good units

[sweet socket]

Does 2b need a Hp based team to work?

[mild valley]

what about skill investment?

7/7/7 is okay?

[azure flower]

7/7/7 then 10/10/10

all her skills are important

[mild valley]

uhhhh thats expensive

[azure flower]

yea telling me

even when we get skill resets i have no one to reset anyways

[merry yacht]

5 10 5, 7 10 7, then 10 10 10

[mild valley]

why is skill 2 prio over the others?

[gusty hull]

fat damage, almost as fat as her butt

[abstract hazel]

My 2B is at 5/10/6 with a single copy at lvl 160

[rotund jackal]

only 2nd part of 2b burst got jackal buff, not 1st part?

[merry yacht]

Both

[rotund jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/956366150311215265.webp?size=64

[merry yacht]

"We are not sure whether it is a bug or not, but Jackal also buffs her burst damage (both instances)."

[rotund jackal]

better than pure atk buff or just alt option?

[merry yacht]

Better.

Pure ATK buff is less effective.

It is super dependent on her base Attack stat.

Requiring you to max her head and gloves to be effective.

Just OL Head and Boots, leave at 2/3, them Max OL your Body.

Aim for 3 elemental options.

Ideally.

Or crits.

[rotund jackal]

it for my alt campaign team... im still at c7

[merry yacht]

What the fak

[onyx crest]

i think jackal working with 2b is consistent with the coding

2b first does a single attack that gets checked for dmg / crit and boosted by jackal then the outcome gets distributed among all targets

it's inconsistent with jackal's burst description and i'll just have to blame that on whoever writes kits or at least translates them

scarlet attacks each target individually which all get an individual crit check etc and those skills do not work with jackal

[empty rock]

so

unless it gets patched

we're looking at jackal frima and volume competing for b1

[abstract hazel]

Jackal is a good gurl

[gusty hull]

@merry yachtcan you check again to see if regular atk buffs benefit her atk post-s2?

[obsidian sable]

Bruh

[rough spindle]

@merry yacht So how much investment are you recommending for frima in terms of gear and skill level?

[jade sluice]

Where is a2 on that

[obsidian sable]

Prydwen with their L takes again

[empty rock]

she'll go up there when she gets released

[onyx crest]

story tier list?

what do you want to use in story

liter/blanc

or centi?

how is 2b good there

do you want to use volume/mast in story?

[merry yacht]

It is consistent with her description.

[rough spindle]

more like 2b is good, but the meta is still twin bunnies

[merry yacht]

It says ANY SKILLS THAT HAVE "affect 1 enemy"

will be boosted

[onyx crest]

and it says excluding blabla

[merry yacht]

AS LONG as it has that phrase

in the description

if u have 3 skils

[onyx crest]

this part is wrong

[merry yacht]

oh

bugged

then

lmao

ye

Alr mentioned that

[merry yacht]

1/3/5

gear

useless

1/3/3 for starters

[rough spindle]

gotcha

will frima be used for general raid stuff for that team comp?

or is she only useful for this blacksmith SR?

[merry yacht]

general

Frima burst is your only healing here

so higher burst = more heal

[rough spindle]

never thought I see the day when frima is actually used

[merry yacht]

in raid

we dck yet

this raid might deal so much damage

u need to go back to Rapu again

in which case Volume Mast Rapu variant isused

so just wait

no need to invest now

[rough spindle]

alright

[onyx crest]

jackal + healer is pretty nice if you take lots of dmg

but how do you solve the cdr

noise/volume/mast probably best

[rough spindle]

but if you use noise here, guillotine is fucked on the other team

[onyx crest]

this fucking puzzle game

[merry yacht]

we dont even know how strong this Balcksmith is

[rough spindle]

unless you group 2b guil together

[merry yacht]

chill

just pray it always aims at highest HP nikkes

[onyx crest]

i believe blacksmith will be easier

cuz they apologized last time they ran it

[merry yacht]

yeah now new skill

"Turrets hit 2 highest ATK units."

"Always laser first, then tentacle, then laser, then tentacle."

[rough spindle]

nah its gonna be
"Deals instant death to highest HP unit"

[merry yacht]

yeah no shot

lmao

I hope its always tentacle

because laser is bad game design

lmao

I hope this:

• Turret always hits 2 highest ATK Nikkes.

• Tentacle always hits highest HP.

2B be receiving all damage.

LMAO

[onyx crest]

throw in biscuit it'll be fine

[balmy prawn]

that tier list is Story (late) category i think

she is in SSS for Boss (solo) and SS for Boss (adds)

[onyx crest]

he isn't the first

every day someone comes in here and talks about the story tier list

maybe the default order should be raids or something so these noobs can stop bitching about story lol

[balmy prawn]

dem look at this

horrible tier

prydwen back at it again

[onyx crest]

sw underrated

[balmy prawn]

my emotions are hurt, i need to be compensated

with more A2

😳

[glass birch]

if i dont have/invest in the mentioned units that 2b needs, is she still worth pulling?

[abstract hazel]

Jackal works, just cleared 17-3

[abstract hazel]

You might get them in the future, so yes

You can't count on limited availability Nikkes in the future.

I got Biscuit, Sakura, Nero all after their events

[primal estuary]

She's SSS in solo bosses though

[balmy prawn]

Oh no

It's going in circles now

I shouldn't have memed

[abstract hazel]

17-4 Clear

Jackal gud gurl

[regal hill]

what OL stats for 2b?

[sick tapir]

How come you have that low cp wit 160 lvl characters

[abstract hazel]

That's just how the numbers are

The team build matters more than the numbers

I just broke the 160 wall though but I cleared chapter 16 two nights ago at lvl 160 once I pulled 2B.

She can bust that boss.

[queen grove]

[ember chasm]

2b drake tier

something don't look right

[summer wren]

you play nikke the game not prydwen the website

just have fun

[onyx crest]

blanc s tier 2b s tier all the same

[summer wren]

tierlist ranking is very abstract

[merry yacht]

Hes looking at wrong tier list

Hes looking at story late

Somehow

Lmao

These are just prydwen haters

Lucky u dont have one

[onyx crest]

i think they are legit unaware it's ordered by story

[ember chasm]

i have hating fans

that's worse

[merry yacht]

Its either that

Or theyre creating trouble

[ember chasm]

"where x, why isn't x updated, i'm going back to prydwen"

[onyx crest]

now that you mention it where is a2?

[ember chasm]

i have the early thoughts up

for her

[onyx crest]

awesome time to read

[ember chasm]

i also updated

cube guide

now there's an actual

table

for the fucking units

my brain rotted

this review was good tho from prydwen

i very like

a lot of people looking for nikke.gg analysis

but i'm here playing jackbox

[balmy prawn]

wait til I start posting Modernia in S tier, but not say that the tier list is from PvP side

[ember chasm]

make sure to post it in reddit

shambles

luckily no one is reddit reposts my tier list
UI looks not very enticing

i'm looking at the comments

of the reddit post

i kinda find it funny how they kinda got it opposite

Kisenix does the number crunching out of both of us

and i'm more like "Yeah, i feel this vibe"

[onyx crest]

which one?

[ember chasm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/167z2dj/2bs_ranking_on_prydwen/

[onyx crest]

nice

[ember chasm]

dw, i'm busy doing intense research, sweat dripping hypothesis thinking and ----

i should update my tier list again after releasing 2B

[onyx crest]

i'm telling your boss

[ember chasm]

i am my boss.

you're right

i'm fucking firing my self

[balmy prawn]

where x, why isn't x updated, i'm going back to prydwen

🥺

[versed adder]

Im waiting for Maincord review

[ember chasm]

How dare you

[open ibex]

She is not meta guys

Prydwen exaggerate again smh

[jade sluice]

Cmon prydwen is fake news they told me ludmilla is sss tier

[onyx crest]

all the ppl praising nikke.gg expect 2b to be worse

put her in a tier

do it for the people

[dire locust]

@merry yacht did u write this

[ember chasm]

what if i literally

rate her the same

as prydwen did

i wonder how they'd react

which is weird, i think Kisenix did a pretty good job here, they're just more affixed on the ratings

which, some areas of 2B i disagree
but it's more like a "yeah i can see that" vibe

[dire locust]

i love seeing 20 nikkes in SSS tier

really makes SSS tier mean something

[ember chasm]

[ember chasm]

he should've wrote that

Ant doesn't really
Hands/writes on the guides anymore iirc

[dire locust]

im a believer in

if SSS tier is the highest tier

u shudnt see 20 characters in that tier

maybe like 2-3 per b1,b2,b3 etc

[ember chasm]

i didn't even want Noir in SS tier

but i have no idea where to nerf her ratings where it would like justifiable

curse these Sheets

[dire locust]

for bossing

i think only b1's in SSS tier shud be liter doro

b2's shud just be blanc novel in SSS

b3's prob just alice mod sw

[ember chasm]

thing is
noir is forced with blanc, and people do complain why their ratings were different when i still had noir at s+ tier

well not complain, more like a mention/question

Noir in SSS bossing

i sleepdge

oh wait, i think i can drop her to SS for bossing, but can't drop a tier for her in combined

I'll make some tweaks later

[merry yacht]

Sadly, most Nikkes in this game are equal in power and are all usable.

When it comes to SSS tier.

If you put Scarlet in your Liter Blanc Alice team, you will see that Scar will nearly match Alice's damage.

Most Nikkes are like that.

2B is insane because she has higher ST damage vs Scarlet, but she has no wipe. Scar is more versatile, but 2B needs support.

If any, Scarlet + SAnis make her deal more damage than Modernia.

So, now tell me do they deserve SS?

This game is about synergy.

The tier list is synergy.

Content creators agree with Prydwen's tier list.

Reddit is filled with people who, I'm sorry, don't think far enough.

There is a chance that Mast will be bumped to SS after this just because of 2B, but I'm still pondering.

The only way we can solve these SSS issues is if we introduce pair-based tiering.

Scarlet is SS, Scarlet-SAnis is SSS, etc.

[merry yacht]

And this is super similar to Prydwen.

All right, so...

Besides a few differences there and there when it comes to Novel and Scarlet.

But both of these are super strong.

[dire locust]

this literally means nothing though lol

[merry yacht]

And tier list for both sites use different standards.

Nikke.gg never lists healers as high-tier units.

[dire locust]

mrbeast is a content creator he agrees 😵

[merry yacht]

While I care about that, so I put Noise in SSS.

[dire locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134143409528000642.gif?size=48&name=Deadcat&quality=lossless

noise/rapunzel SSS tier gotta be griefing bro

[merry yacht]

Up to you.

But Noise is SSS.

[dire locust]

PVP yes

[merry yacht]

Rapunzel should have been SS.

[dire locust]

bossing? LMAO

[merry yacht]

But Snake is mad.

Nah, Noise is SSS.

[dire locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134143409528000642.gif?size=48&name=Deadcat&quality=lossless

@ember chasm

[merry yacht]

Many of the good players will think so too.

[dire locust]

literally every good player clowns on those two LOL

you cant cite good players without listing them

[merry yacht]

Ok, which unit passed Alteisen SI the first time?

Noise.

Period.

[dire locust]

bruh no way

thats the logic

im literally dead

im sorry

[merry yacht]

I'd rather not talk with you, but Emi and some Biscuit members agree that Noise is SSS.

Mackii too, from Timm's community.

He pilots whale accounts.

[ember chasm]

But Content creators also agree with mine

that's a kinda weird point

[merry yacht]

Rapunzel, that's Snake's decision.

[ember chasm]

Wait, what biscuit members

[merry yacht]

I want to lower her.

But Snake doesn't want.

He says: Revivers are nichés.

[ember chasm]

I am very unsure which biscuit members would say the noise is SSS statement

[merry yacht]

And can be helpful.

[merry yacht]

Emi.

[ember chasm]

oh welp

[dire locust]

who tf is Emi

Emi good?

[ember chasm]

emily

[dire locust]

who that

[merry yacht]

Emily Latrobe.

[ember chasm]

uh, a person i usually talked to before

Biscuits

I'm Emily's fav nikke player apparently

[merry yacht]

Oh, ye, try doing Blacksmith without Noise.

Good luck.

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

[ember chasm]

[dire locust]

what level are u

[merry yacht]

Noise was: meta in almost all Solo Raid bosses.

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

Except Alexander.

[dire locust]

u act like uve seen SR rank 1 2 3's comps in the first 3 solo raids

[merry yacht]

Those people have MAX cores.

More HP than everyone else.

You are not dumb enough to realize that whales have 20% bonus stats on everything.

[dire locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134143409528000642.gif?size=48&name=Deadcat&quality=lossless

[ember chasm]

Most of the top whales
Definitely know what they're doing

[dire locust]

another SR top ranks = more money believer

[merry yacht]

Some*

Most of them dont care about SR.

[dire locust]

no

most top whales

suck

so they cant pull off SR scores

then say its cuz they dont care

the ones u see at the top are actually good

[ember chasm]

Like, the NA SR top leaders would stomp me in equal level/ dupe playfield

[merry yacht]

JP/NA are tryhards.

[ember chasm]

Well not stomp
But
They'd definitely throw hands and I prob would lose more often than not

[merry yacht]

And they minmax everything.

Probably their OLs are super specific too.

[dire locust]

yes so back to the point

[ember chasm]

They definitely also know their mechanics

And how the game works

[merry yacht]

What is the point?

[dire locust]

how is noise SSS tier for bossing then

[merry yacht]

Noise stays SSS.

[dire locust]

im not telling u to move it

im asking for some actual explanation

not some first clear on train = she's SSS tier

till the game ends

cuz by that logic diesel should be SSS tier since i saw a clear on train with diesel before i saw one with noise

[merry yacht]

Because she is the best at keeping the team alive without even using her burst skill (and that's why SMary is up there too). But Noise can iframe missiles. SMary can't.

Want to use Liter burst all the time?

Go ahead.

[dire locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1074246882714468362/1145913607360622662/LxuYlif.gif

[merry yacht]

Noise just there, taunting and healing.

SMary too, but she doesn't taunt.

[glossy parcel]

Hard to kill noise and if someone needs that kind of protection she's usually my first pick for that ngl. I'm not pro though.

I think you just just take knowledge from tier lists and apply it to your own self

[merry yacht]

That's what Noise has but SMary doesn't.

[dire locust]

DPS loss for bossing but at least u feel safer

SSS tier

🙂

[merry yacht]

DPS loss?

Noise is used in content where you cannot survive.

If you can, why use Noise?

Did you read the disclaimer?

That healers are rated separately?

Maybe you have reading issue.

I'm blocking you. Thanks for being dumb.

[dire locust]

???

woah man

cant even have a conversation

[merry yacht]

I'd rather discuss with people that have open minds.

[dire locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134143409528000642.gif?size=48&name=Deadcat&quality=lossless

[merry yacht]

I'm not dumb with tier lists.

[glossy parcel]

You can't dps if you dead though

[merry yacht]

If pros agree with Prydwen's and Nikkegg's tier lists, that means both are correct.

Just from different perspectives.

[summer wren]

Next time bring a vest

You get shot

[dire locust]

can i ask one question without getting blocked?

[merry yacht]

There is no fucking need to compare the two.

[summer wren]

[merry yacht]

I am a friend of SjAykin.

We share thoughts a lot.

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

Both tier lists are proofread by different pros,

[dire locust]

ok but

WHO ARE THESE PROS

like

[merry yacht]

Keripo agrees with Prydwen's PvP tier list, and you know how hard to get approval from this PvP god.

[summer wren]

Streamer and tcers

[dire locust]

are they good? or just pros in the sense that they talk a lot in nikke discords

[dire locust]

i actually like the pvp tier list

no cap

[merry yacht]

Anyways, I blocked him already, and I'm seeing blocked messages.

[dire locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134143409528000642.gif?size=48&name=Deadcat&quality=lossless

sad

[summer wren]

Wait Austin is blocked?

[dire locust]

any challenge to opinion = blocked

[summer wren]

[dire locust]

and im the one who's not open-minded 🤷‍♂️

[merry yacht]

I have no business with him.

[summer wren]

I can see that

You made that very clear

[merry yacht]

I like how Nikke.gg and Prydwen never fight against each other.

And in fact take stuff from each other.

[summer wren]

Why tho

[merry yacht]

But people compare both.

It's just dumb.

It's literally the same.

[summer wren]

Nikke has a small tc community

Ngl

Compare to genshin

[glossy parcel]

I'm glad there's 2 I just read both then make my own decision

[ember chasm]

I wouldn't think too much about it

Austin just likes questioning stuff, he stuides under rank 1 NA man's for SR

[summer wren]

That's good for me too

[dire locust]

cant question without getting blocked

[summer wren]

I studied 2bs ass and determined pull worthy

[merry yacht]

Not in the way he says things.

[ember chasm]

Ripe studying

[merry yacht]

His language was definitely not trying to help.

[vale cave]

Does the sites have tierlists for team comps in particular

[merry yacht]

But more trying to make chaos.

[merry yacht]

Not really.

[ember chasm]

Good idea, expect one in 2 weeks and I will not give you credit for this idea

[merry yacht]

Comps vary between bosses.

[vale cave]

Thats fine

I just wanna make my 2b work.

[summer wren]

Yea has almost everything, but don't use tierlist. Team comp is more helpful

[merry yacht]

There are some mentioned in Prydwen's blogpost which is verified also by Skyjlv's test.

For 2B.

I don't watch Skyjlv.

I arrive in the same conclusion as him.

[vale cave]

Ik its probably not considered as much since its technically low level usage

[merry yacht]

Explain.

[summer wren]

Oooof

[merry yacht]

[vale cave]

but how is 2b in grave digger

[merry yacht]

Snake said that to me:

“I'm surprised you ended up with the same conclusion as him.”

[summer wren]

Yeah I remember yesterday

[vale cave]

and also how is noise in grave as well. I wanted to know how she would be in lower interception content

[summer wren]

Oh wait or 2days ago depends on timezone

[merry yacht]

She can be used.

Depends.

On the team.

For 2B she does work.

To sone extent.

[vale cave]

I was using Volume and Mast with 2b since that was generally what people said to use

but i wanted to know what was the best flex spots after that

[merry yacht]

You know why 2B's prydwen blog post is like that?

[vale cave]

since grave digger is the main content im trying to get to lv9

[merry yacht]

Because thats going to be what it looks like for every new unit after this.

I will make one for A2 too, but will need to do testing with Skyjlv™ and some other people.

[dry bramble]

Did you also do testing on noise with some other people?

[merry yacht]

Yes.

Noise with 2B, or Noise alone?

Noise with 2B, a lot of people are doing that here. I was one of the first to pioneer it.

Noise alone has been common since SI Alteisen wasteland.

Where people can't go past Stage 5.

Since then, Noise has become prominent.

In contents where survival is key.

[dry bramble]

Just got a general question, what purpose/perspective are you rating the characters on the tierlist?

Just overall looking at the tierlist, I think she had some great utility early on but she falls off in the top 3 teams, nobody uses her in hard campaign mode progression, and only sometimes shows up in top 5 SR teams. So is the tierlist skewed towards SI TRAIN only or early game?

[merry yacht]

Is this Prydwen?

[dry bramble]

It seems highly disproportionate to rate a unit that high based on her niche usage from a single past instance

Yeah

[merry yacht]

Are you asking about bossing tier?

Because she is definitely not up there in Campaigns and stuff.

[dry bramble]

Bossing solo yeah, like SR and stuff

She’s typically not used anymore

Only sometimes but not like SSS tier frequent

What sort of metrics are you evaluating the units by that makes her SSS

[merry yacht]

• She is used with bosses that require survival. Blacksmith, Harvester, and even Alexander are some examples where Noise was used in most Top 100 non-whale teams. Some of the best pros don't use her, though.
• She allows Guillotine to survive without healing her. No other healers/taunters work as well as her (except Diesel, Sin but those are a bit RNG-ish). Some bosses can be cheesed (sometimes Guillo just doesn't get attacked).
• She can help the team survive WITHOUT using burst skill, so you can still use your ATK-buffing B1.

Healers are rated against other healers.

Not against other units.

[dry bramble]

Hmm okay yeah those are some examples of non-malding comps where you’d run her, for survival

[merry yacht]

Antillar forgot to add that.

I'm also going to up Sin tier soon.

[dire locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134143409528000642.gif?size=48&name=Deadcat&quality=lossless

[merry yacht]

The reason why there was a huge change with Prydwen tier list.

Is because it was done by Antillar himself.

[dry bramble]

I wouldn’t run her usually so I probably don’t see her as SSS, but if that’s what people run, especially with 2B, etc then you can definitely at least say it’s S tier, but still not SSS in my eyes

[merry yacht]

After it was handed to me and Snake, it hasn't changed much.

[merry yacht]

It's rated against other healers.

[dry bramble]

Yeah that’s a good point to make

[merry yacht]

If you rate based on frequency,

wouldn't Volume be SSS?

Tier list is not only about frequency.

[dry bramble]

Well I only use the strongest units with realistic highest potential damage so noise usually wouldn’t make that list, but maybe 2B might use her more

[merry yacht]

It's about what a unit offers.

[dry bramble]

That’s a good point of distinction

[merry yacht]

Honestly, I expected to move Noise to SS, and Rapu to S.

[dry bramble]

Volume in the right comp is SS tier for me, but I’d rate her below the other CDR B1 units

[merry yacht]

Snake disagreed with Rapu's change.

[dry bramble]

I think you should move noise down and Rapu to the same level as noise cause they have differences but often can achieve the same result

[merry yacht]

No.

[dry bramble]

I use Rapu effectively over noise a lot of times

[merry yacht]

Noise is significantly better than Rapu.

I never see any Rapu in the past SRs.

Noise is still present.

Rapu has gone.

Disappeared.

Noise will always be one tier above Rapu.

If Rapu goes to S, Noise goes to SS.

But if Rapu stays in SSS, then Noise stays in SSS.

Convince Snake.

Instead of me.

But with 2B, I'm not moving Noise.

Anymore.

She stays in SSS.

[dry bramble]

That’s because the R1 comps were not revealed to the public until the recent changes so Rapu being used would be unknown

[merry yacht]

Now there is more justification.

[dire locust]

tier list not about frequency >> havent seen rapu in the past SRs

[clear iris]

Shirtless is a 1.1a thing

[merry yacht]

No.

I already know Rapu is bad.

I was top 100/200 in all SRs (except Harvester).

[dire locust]

kisenix arguing against lynch when we've seen rank 1 comps for past solo raids

[ember chasm]

[merry yacht]

And I can see people never use Rapu.

Except on Blacksmith.

[dry bramble]

That’s ok

[merry yacht]

Cus that shit oneshots you.

And Rapu shows her power there.

Her SSS is due to niche.

Not frequency.

Again as I say

It is what a unit offers

[dry bramble]

There are multiple healer options and previously noise has been low on most of our lists so it’s always a shock to see her rated as SSS

[merry yacht]

No other units do what Rapu can

No other units do what Noise can

[dry bramble]

I would pick helm and Rapu over noise, kit vs kit, most of the time

They’re not an absolute must have like SSS tho, SS or S at best

[clear iris]

Meanwhile Liter with double attack and cover repair niches

[merry yacht]

Thats why she is SSS

I mean look at Centi

She is at SS

Never really used

Except against those oneshot bosses

Can anyone provide what Centi provides?

A shield that blocks an otherwise fatal shot every idk 10s?

No.

No one.

[dry bramble]

Centi is SSS

she’s used every time

[merry yacht]

What

When?

[dry bramble]

Actually Centi is SSSS

[clear iris]

Maybe blanc, but like half the time and requiring Noir?

[dry bramble]

I run her in 99% of my comps

[merry yacht]

I hope thats a joke

If ure talking about bossing

[dry bramble]

Absolutely not

It depends once again

[merry yacht]

Thats why Blanc is SSS

[dry bramble]

Early game Centi saved me a lot from boss damage

[merry yacht]

[dry bramble]

Centi helps burst gen

[merry yacht]

I would put Centi one tier lower than Blanc

Now u understand

[clear iris]

Also Blanc with Noir is just free damage lol

[dry bramble]

So the tierlist is somewhat categorized by their own sub categories but are presented as an entire list side by side so that causes confusion

[merry yacht]

Noise's and Rapu's niche are on a different level

[dry bramble]

When people see different classes of units in the same SSS category

What’s your choice of B1s for 2B? Who’s SSS, using the metric of buffing 2B and economy (aka, not gimping your other teams if possible) @merry yacht

You can choose 1 or a combo of 2, who would you rate as best

[merry yacht]

Noise Frima > SMary

Mast > Novel = Quency

If you use Noise with Guillo in other team, use Frima instead.

If you don't use Noise in other teams, feel free to use Noise here.

Just so you know, by using Noise, you're increasing 2B's damage but not the other B3.

It's Frima.

[gusty hull]

Yeah I'm waiting for that magical second b3 that also scales with hp

[merry yacht]

Frima is SSS, Noise SS.

In terms of equivalent investments.

Then comes SMary at S.

[dry bramble]

Well Frima has been pretty awful when I tested her so unfortunate she’s not as good

And doesn’t buff the other units either

She’s like a worse noise

[merry yacht]

For B2, Mast is SSSSSSSS, then comes Novel and Quency.

That's because your Frima is uninvested.

Maybe 1/1/1?

[clear iris]

Sucks to be missing Mast

[dry bramble]

She’s 5/5/5

[merry yacht]

Maybe your Noise is 7/7/7?

Are you using Mast?

[dry bramble]

My noise is 5/5/5, I don’t level up my S tier units past 5/5/5

Im using mast

[merry yacht]

^

Ok, if you check the damage again,

[dry bramble]

I’ve tried mast and Quency

[merry yacht]

You will notice that the other B3 damage is lower.

[dry bramble]

Is there a difference in how that interacts with noise

[merry yacht]

Than when you use Frima.

Noise deactivates Mast's S1.

By the way.

[dry bramble]

So you’d be better off with other B1 with mast

[merry yacht]

That's why I say Frima.

Or if you have hyper invested SMary.

[dry bramble]

Is it cause noise is 30%

[merry yacht]

But SMary will also deactivate Mast.

Lmao

[dry bramble]

While Frima is like 20%

[merry yacht]

Noise heals overtime

It heals

[dry bramble]

I have 5/5/5 smary, that’s good no?

[merry yacht]

The burst doesnt deactivate

The healing overtime does

[dry bramble]

Ok

[merry yacht]

Her passive healing also deactivates

Thats why the best team is actually

Frima Mast 2B FLEX Dolla/SHelm

Frima Dolla preferred against non electric

The way u play it is that

You spam shot Frima and Dolla to charge burst

You need to spam shot

Switch

Frima, waste her bullets,

Swap to Dolla, waste hers,

Swap back

Like that

[gusty hull]

Sounds like a hassle to play

[merry yacht]

Its

Not

Thats what Alice Max team does

Its the same exact thing

Max Helm Mod

[gusty hull]

What is the most popular choice for the flex slot anyway?

[merry yacht]

Was also one of the meta teams last SR

And how you play it

Is also swapping between Max and Helm

When offburst

[merry yacht]

Scarlet

Or

Anything

It depends on the boss

If the boss doesnt need heal

Scarlet SAnis Guillotine usually go together

If the boss needs heal