[2B] New Unit Megathread

[winged verge]

I did 170 and ultimately just used mileage to get the only copy I've ever gotten on main

Alt has gotten three for 2/3

[vague dawn]

This is why at higher level 2B deals a lot of dmg

[outer leaf]

maybe when A2 comes out she will be the burst gen we need

easy peasy

[vague dawn]

Very high investment

Ok then she is needed for whales

[sharp vapor]

I wish I got Summer Mary but I was too new

What would be 2B's dps partner in a team built for her?

[vague dawn]

Mast

Volume

Quency

Look for those nikke with max hp buff

[gusty hull]

random whel guy on twitch, dps check on nihilister

395 synch

[silk dew]

tbh though I did mileage mod didn't get in 200 pulls

[winged verge]

Uh no, this was a funny moment with fake damage

[silk dew]

funi number

[winged verge]

What happened was sky failed the QTE, resulting in Nihilister firing the missile cluster

2B's S2 went off after 300 rounds, blowing them all up

[vague dawn]

Oooooof

[winged verge]

that just bloated 2B's damage

[vague dawn]

Very good

[winged verge]

[sharp vapor]

I'm not asking about supports. I'm asking who would dps with 2B.

[vague dawn]

Your mom then

[rough spindle]

Volume, Mast, Guillotine, 2B, Noise

[winged verge]

But 2B is definitely producing solid damage

[outer leaf]

A2 when she comes out

[winged verge]

What's been funny is watching sky's Guillotine making Scarlet and 2B look pathetic

[outer leaf]

i believe

[sharp vapor]

My mom does do a lot of damage.

[silk dew]

need elaborate as why?

[outer leaf]

i need to raise my guillotine eventually

esp since i dont have scarlet

[sharp vapor]

What does Noise even do?

[rough spindle]

taunt so the boss wont screw over guillotine

[gusty hull]

I think that team has like, negative burst gen

unless you spam rockets with noise, in which case yikes

[rough spindle]

eh, who cares

[sharp vapor]

Yeah burst gen has been my biggest issue with a 2B team

[merry yacht]

Scar

Gui goes with Sanis + Priv

Nvm

For SR thats fucked up

For UR good

Next SR needs fire nikke

[gusty hull]

can't really split the team since both gui and 2b want mast I think?

[merry yacht]

Gui doesnt

Gui wants to shoot more, more than Mast

Mast doesnt do shit to Guillo once she is low. HP

2B is 72% per sec

Every 30 means 2160%

Her burst is legit half of her fucking damage

MORE than half of her damage

2B is focused on buffing her burst

Both Mast and Novel help that

Actually 2B is in the same spot as Gui

Problem is Gui doesnt benefit from Mast after 1 minute

But 2B benefits from Mast all the time

Gui benefits from Novel right after Novel gains 5 cornucopia stacks

So timing is perfect

You can use Noise with 2B and time it together for ultimate burst damage.

Or you can use Smary or Frima as an alternative.

Frima and SMary are better if you opt for Dolla or SHelm.

While Noise requires you to use Volume.

You decide based on your OTHER teams.

Do your other teams want Volume or Dolla/SHelm?

Adjust accordingly

The best BiS is still Scarlet

Scarlet is very versatile

Shes like a cat

Fits in every team

[winged verge]

S Mary wouldn't be good if you have Guillotine

[merry yacht]

I fits, I sits

[winged verge]

cuz her healing outperforms Guillotine's hp loss

[merry yacht]

Guillotine is better with SAnis.

[winged verge]

Yup

[merry yacht]

SAnis Scarlet is bad WITHOUT Priv.

Because 0.2s deadtime will fuck you.

Ask Gatrix if you dk what deadtime means.

SAnis Guillotine is better because you can reload at the end of every burst WITHOUT losing any significant firerate.

In other words, it's full 180s shooting.

And in this team you don't even need Privaty (kudos to level 9 SAnis users).

You can slot a Fire B3.

Against Blacksmith.

Or some defense unit.

Dorothy Diesel SAnis Guillotine Modernia/A2/Drake is a good start.

Just wait for next SR and cook

Novel might be relegated to SHelm team, used as a replacement.

Novel will be used alongside Dolla.

If boss is easy, Lud can be exchanged for Guilty or A2

[gusty hull]

Nice of them to continue putting out good limiteds

[merry yacht]

• Liter Blanc Alice Noir Guilty
• Noise Mast 2B Scar Volume
• Dorothy Diesel/Makima SAnis Guillotine Drake
• Miranda Dolla Maxwell Helm Modernia
• Pepper Novel A2 Maiden/Power SHelm

THIS TEAM IS FOR BOSSES THAT REQUIRE FIRE NIKKE IN EACH TEAM.

Just an example against bosses that require Fire nikkes.

Not representative of the real thingy.

[opal gorge]

Bruh wtf are you saying, she is "bad" until you upgrade SAnis ult to lvl 9

Then you can use her without priv

[merry yacht]

?

SAnis Scarlet Priv = good
SAnis Scarlet = bad (any level)
SAnis Gui = good (level 9+)

That's it.

[opal gorge]

Wait is there any good team for 2b rn?

[hollow hull]

Volume/Mast/2B
The other two slots are depend on situation

[opal gorge]

Mast

[merry yacht]

The current best is Volume variant (which uses Noise) and SHelm/Dolla variant (which uses Smary/Frima). Both use Mast.

The Noise variant is more investment friendly because people invest in Noise for PvP.

But Smary and Frima are uncommon.

[opal gorge]

I don't have mast

[hollow hull]

It's hard to justify invest in Volume because the team that needs her is just... counting on fingers.

[hollow hull]

try quency

[vocal vigil]

some random test GD run
MLB 5/10/8

[hollow hull]

she also give Max HP but only in 5s...

[hollow hull]

MLB is max limit break, right?

[vocal vigil]

Yes

[hollow hull]

nice, i'm tempting to get 2B to 3* xD

[opal gorge]

She's my last after nihi

[vocal vigil]

Right, full +5 OL as well, 33% attack and 29% ele damage, latter doing nothing against GD.

[hollow hull]

Summer Helm then

Players skip Mast is 😭

[merry yacht]

How bold of you to assume you need no heal.

[hollow hull]

Does SMary buff 2B better than Noise

[merry yacht]

That team is something I'd use for UR.

[merry yacht]

I don't want to do the maths.

Let me tell you.

If your SMary is shit and have no OL, Noise is better.

[vocal vigil]

Tbh so far it seems that 2B doesn't really NEED much support. Pair her with Mast and she fits in pretty much any team.

There's also one idea I've been thinking about

[hollow hull]

I'm lv 300 commander and have no Noise

Noise-less is supremacy

[vocal vigil]

Her main down being needing 3x bursts so she's kinda "weak" during 1½min content

[elder geyser]

49% of defender HP and 23% of supporter HP

[merry yacht]

Noise MAX HP is dependent on TARGET UNIT.

[elder geyser]

i would say noise

[merry yacht]

SMary's HP is dependnet on SUPPORT UNIT.

[elder geyser]

but the tricky part here is mary scale off her final hp

[merry yacht]

So, if you heavily invest in 2B, then Noise is the way.

Also, you need to max her burst.

[hollow hull]

who? noise?

[merry yacht]

60% of her fucking damage is in her burst

2B

[hollow hull]

well, she is lv 7 on all skills for me

[gusty hull]

wait what about frimmers

[hollow hull]

frima?

[gusty hull]

yeah

[hollow hull]

just throw her...

[merry yacht]

Frima > SMary

Again

If ur SMary is shit

[hollow hull]

yeah, but she is not universal

[merry yacht]

Id go with Noise

[hollow hull]

Smary can fit into any team if you want to survive

[balmy sail]

Any chance that Nikke will do re-run banners for units like Mast?

[hollow hull]

Smary best paired with Brid

[merry yacht]

Ok lets do mayhs

[hollow hull]

you can wish list her

[merry yacht]

Mast HP is 100

[vale cave]

In the Noise Volume Team for 2b is there alternatives to volume if u dont have her?

[merry yacht]

Noise makes that 137.5%

Now Mast extends that to 203.6%

Which means it is lower than 70%

[hollow hull]

Well, any atk buffer

[balmy sail]

That doesn't make it much better, since it's still 1/15 to get an Elysion gal and 1/5 to be mast.

Is Noise also vital for B1 slot or I can just go Dorothy and be fine for B1?

[vocal vigil]

So what if you paired with her with i.e. Vesti or Isabel? Just to get her burst as much as you can?
Also looks like there's one thing people don't seem to talk about much, which is her burst.
My 2B has like.. base 1.7m HP before buffs. So with her skills maxed maxed her HP peaks at 3.2m. So her attack(including my OL) sits at ~251k at the peak. That's before Noise/Mast buffs.
Now if my math is correct, that means her burst is doing a total of 8.2m damage solo buffed. So not only is her normal quite strong her burst is also a nuke as well.

[hollow hull]

Volume

[merry yacht]

Ok, Noise Mast 2B Scar Volume has a huge flaw.

The flaw is:

1. YOUR NOISE BURST SHOULD BE LOW LEVEL.
2. IF ITS HIGH LEVEL, UR MAST NEEDS TO BE HIGHER TOO.

[hollow hull]

Why?

I dont have noise so xD

[vocal vigil]

Any idea if her Burst is affected by ele damage and if it can crit?

[merry yacht]

At burst 5 Noise and Mast, when Mast bursts, Mast HP is at 67%, which allows 2B to benefit from Crit Damage. But 1 sec later, Scar Mast and 2B all lose crit damage bonus.

[vocal vigil]

if it's solely calculated off final attack

[merry yacht]

Yes, affected iirc.

[vocal vigil]

If that's the case

[hollow hull]

interesting, can both have lv 10 on skills?

[vocal vigil]

She's gonna be hypermeta for anything fire weak

Because her burst is gonna start doing 20m damage

fully invested + ol

and probably 200-300k core hits with normals

[merry yacht]

I still prefer the Frima/Smary SHelm/Dolla version.

[vocal vigil]

ok that's maybe a tad too high

[merry yacht]

It has higher damage cap.

[vocal vigil]

More like 150-200k maybe

That's pretty nice tho

[vital stirrup]

Ain’t got any of those summer units there…but a mid-leveled Dolla and Frima at LB3.

[merry yacht]

Because she can crit.

If you are lucky.

[vocal vigil]

You can basically build a 2B team with units which were previously thrown on your "I hope I do at least 2m damage before I wipe" SR team

[merry yacht]

40% crit rate, Ill take it.

[hollow hull]

Build Frima only for 2B team

S Mary and S Helm are limited, so yeah

the noise comp is easier to get.

[elder geyser]

2B is a first unit that has mechanic convert hp to atk

wait for more units like that and frima would be in a good spot

[hollow hull]

i'm waiting for cube and new OL stat that boost max HP

[onyx crest]

if we get 1 more then we probably pair her with 2b

[versed adder]

Oi what happened to Mast believers?

[hollow hull]

So do you guys think A2 can deal more dps than 2B

[merry yacht]

Huh?

Mast is still used.

BiS.

[onyx crest]

i think we have mastless players

copium frima

[merry yacht]

No.

Frima AND Mast.

Used together.

[versed adder]

Ahhh

Frima Mast and Dolla/Shelm?

[onyx crest]

ah mini noise

just 4 seconds though

[versed adder]

A2 sounds nutty against a boss with multiple parts ngl I don't think 2B will do more there

[merry yacht]

Wait no

Smary is bad

NONONO

ONLY FRIMA

IS USABLE

Because Smary will make Mast have above 70% HP

When she bursts

Making her "shit"

So the only options is Frima

Frima Mast 2B Scar SHelm

Or

Noise Mast 2B Scar Volume

[vocal vigil]

Maybe halloween units are gonn be fire buffers

[versed adder]

If we do get Halloween units it should be wind DPS tbh

[hollow hull]

Who build Frima anyway

let her sleep

[versed adder]

We have so many fire atm they don't need a buffer

[elder geyser]

if that the case, doesn't hp recover from noise also have a chance to make mast hp above 70%?

[hollow hull]

Hmm, which comp deal more dmg? Frima or Noise

I might build Frima though, have no Noise

[vocal vigil]

Investing skill manuals into Frima feels super bad tho. Plus..
This shit is looking kinda dire

[hollow hull]

...ah...ah

yeah, Frima is the copium for Noise-less players like me

[vocal vigil]

guess I'll reset my Guillotine next time skill reset comes around

Feels bad, fully OL'd her. Invested like 15+ rocks into her as well without a single max ammo roll

She just doesn't provide good enough results w/o max ammo.

Rather sacrifice her for 2B who steals mast anyway

[hollow hull]

I like her too, but not her kits...

[versed adder]

I'm guessing it's cause Noise healing is backloaded

[merry yacht]

• Liter Blanc Alice Noir A2
• Frima Mast 2B Scar SHelm
• Miranda Dolla SAnis Guillotine Noise
• Dorothy Novel Maxwell Helm Modernia
• Pepper Guilty Drake Maiden Volume

THIS TEAM IS FOR BOSSES THAT REQUIRE FIRE NIKKE IN EACH TEAM. VERSION 2.

[versed adder]

By the time 2B burst you'll have benefited from the crit

[gusty hull]

I'm using frimmers anyway since for some reason I still don't have volume

[versed adder]

And since the burst is the biggest portion of her damage it works somewhat

Smary on the other hand by the third burst has quite the front loaded heal

[hollow hull]

me having no Noise 🤝 @gusty hull having no Volume
Agree to build the sleeper

[merry yacht]

Frima better la

Get some help

Also MAST MAX HP DEPENDS ON MAST'S HP SO KEEP IN MIND

[hollow hull]

so max overloaded helmet and body

foot too

[merry yacht]

Mast needs to overload body too

LMAO

Fuck

[hollow hull]

Imagine stacking so many MaxHP, then 2B get oneshot in Challenge Solo Raid

[merry yacht]

HAHAHAHAHHAA

Oneshot?

She doesnt die to fucking gravedigger 3rd phase drill 2x with Noise buff

WDYM

[elder geyser]

nuts

[vocal vigil]

2B gonna be having like 8mil HP in solo raid

[hollow hull]

Then you turn around and Frima die

[merry yacht]

Bro so tanky

Here is my advice

Frima skill level 3

No need more

Mast overload body

Easy

[hollow hull]

all skills?

[sick tapir]

Damn

Will I be fine wit jus one copy

[gusty hull]

nah, you need full core 7 or she does less damage than diesel

[restive elbow]

oh no

might as well invest in diesel ong

she's better than scar probably too

[hollow hull]

then Energy upgrade

[restive elbow]

unless scar is core max+++

[hollow hull]

and yeah, Syncdro make 2B stronger

pass lv 200 NIKKE, each 20 levels give 10 Energy level

[vocal vigil]

Scarlet probably still outdps' 2B with basic attack

not by much, it's 2B's burst which puts her ahead

[restive elbow]

i mean scarlet ends up catching up with her own burst

but i have to invest into 2B more

because she is hella good even with the low investment i have in her

[summer wren]

tldr ? i guess.

[gaunt tapir]

so has there been more testing with 2B? what are the comps looking like?

[onyx crest]

same as usual hp buffing characters with a cdr slipped in

noise volume mast 2b and a b3

real results will happen during soloraid and you can peek at the best players there

[terse root]

So.. Is 2B a must pull?

I've been trying to pull her with no luck so far

[real egret]

well at least 1 copy

to diversify solo raid teams

[onyx crest]

must own for that one guy getting first place in soloraid

for everyone else do you really care lol

[opal gorge]

I take it back everything i said, 2b is fcking insanely good.

[elder geyser]

collectible or meta wise, pull 1 copy

[jade sluice]

What is the smary skill requirement to overheal in this comp/boss?

Mine is 4/4/4 and they just cant take it directly even though smary already hit stage3 heal

[grizzled kraken]

Could fix that with $14.99

[sick tapir]

Wtf

[grizzled kraken]

Not true lol

[sick tapir]

I'm guessing he was trolling

[clear forge]

I take it the review in pins shouldnt be changed

Anyone who skipped on the likes of SAnis or is missing key nikkes should definitely pull for 2B

The rest I think is upto discretion on how serious you take the game

[grizzled kraken]

Imagine skipping SAnis

[clear forge]

It's like new players never came after NiER banner started

[velvet snow]

Imagine pulling Sanis when Shelm is more relevant

Scarlet modernia and dorthy and alice do more dmg than Sanis

And 2B in raid or long bosses will be op as fuck

[grizzled kraken]

what?

aintnoway lilbro just said that

[jade sluice]

he was right about dorothy tho

[velvet snow]

If u have bad invest on modernia/scarlet not my fault

[grizzled kraken]

lil bro using tier list as a argument

[velvet snow]

Well it exist for something i mean

[clear forge]

You used the story tier list bro

[velvet snow]

And what boss are u clearing? Cause u maybe have advante type, u do more test or just only that

[clear forge]

Bossing tier list more relevant for newer nikkes since campaign team is set for life basically

[velvet snow]

Its true they put in there in sss

[onyx crest]

i'm confident we'll get better campaign nikke but yeah not useful to use

[clear forge]

2B is pretty clutch in campaign

[onyx crest]

i'd think so for newer players

but ppl that are established not so much

[velvet snow]

Depends on the time of the quest

[clear forge]

That's true

[velvet snow]

She need too much to get the max buff

But yes shes fire

[onyx crest]

i wish 2b was not fire

feels like the worst type to be atm

[velvet snow]

Nah just wait a boss with green element like modernia she will destroy it

[jade sluice]

built mod/alice : "are we a joke to you?"

[onyx crest]

i'm sure shiftup is the most careful buffing fire element

[grizzled kraken]

[clear forge]

Wind:
Tyrant:
Altesian*
Chatterbox*
Centurion:
Bowtie
Coccytus
Obelisk
Plate
Scarf

[velvet snow]

Facts

[clear forge]

Oh wait my bad

Fire kills wind

[onyx crest]

irl enough fire kills water but not really useful here

that's a good list of bosses that 2b does worse against

[clear forge]

Ok fixed

[onyx crest]

it's a shame alexander wasn't wind haha

[clear forge]

I ain't adding solo raid bosses to this list dawg.
That's so relative
These mfs gonna be making rebuilds the whole time now

I'll update my list after next campaign update

[velvet snow]

🤌

[clear forge]

Think this is a decent list tho

CB and Altesian are serious bosses

Bowtie and coccytus were hard (read: rngfest) as fuck bosses

[onyx crest]

how many of these bosses have a core

[clear forge]

Bowtie and cock

Have it

[jade sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1118553551032037487/1119041726133313677/1080421656398397480_1.gif

[worthy cedar]

2B and A2 are actually free train tickets

[clear forge]

A2 might fr be free train

[worthy cedar]

yeah the part damage is

[grizzled kraken]

train is already free

make a harder version of SI for more drops

[echo stone]

Can we pin this? if nothing change from what he said I think this is quite useful

[versed adder]

No more Ass in next raid

Shift Up just fucking with us atp they gonna change boss elements to sell Nikkes

[raw jacinth]

Train but you can't destroy any of the turrets

Invest in one shot or get fuked

[summer wren]

Imagine still cant do train after every train specific units so far before nier

[raw jacinth]

I doubt we will ever get a unit that's more of a free train than Sakura/ludmilla

If you can't clear train with Sakura cheese, you don't deserve to clear train at all

[hollow hull]

Me wreck train with Alice core 4

[summer wren]

Me wreck train 137kcp first month in

I am quite late

[vagrant temple]

What team do I even put 2b in

[dense hound]

2B Investment

• Fully OL5 with all ammo+ substats
• 9/10/6
• Bastion

[vagrant temple]

Mlb?

[dense hound]

Both 2B and Scarlet have same mlb

[vagrant temple]

Ooh

So if I get 1-3 more copies she can put perform a scarlet I see

[gray canopy]

Hang on, so its worth pulling for 2B?

[dense hound]

If you have a resource to build her up then I guess it's worth a shot.

[raw jacinth]

Who was the enemy?

[dense hound]

BS Interception

[raw jacinth]

Ah ok

[dense hound]

Well, the boss died before 2B do the 2nd burst

[raw jacinth]

That's pretty good, tie with scarlet without 2b specific supports

[dense hound]

So I guess she still have more potential to show

[vagrant temple]

Wait that’s not even full powered 2b?

Jeez

Tempted to aim for mlb but waiting for a2 to come out before I make a final decision

[raw jacinth]

First screenshot was with 2b specific support and 2b pulls ahead

[vagrant temple]

But I also have her costume gacha skin and a2 burst looks better to me

[dense hound]

To be fair, it's not worth make a comp just for 2B since it's make overall dps decrease

But for solo raid it might be different though since it's 5 team so we have plenty slots.

[raw jacinth]

Yep, that's why I already calling 2b niche

She might reach scarlet level dps, but only with investment etc

She isn't replacing existing meta units

[summer wren]

So is mast alone be enough for 2b

Before we get that diminished returns

Like if i wanna use 2b in all content say

[dense hound]

It's up the the team comp you'll be using. To be honest I'd put Mast in Scarlet+ASS team if the enemy is water element.

[summer wren]

Ass team?

Sanis?

[dense hound]

Anis Sparkling Summer

I called her ASS

[summer wren]

Oh

Are these team any good

[dense hound]

ugh, did anyone really gonna build Frima or Miranda just for 2B comp?

[summer wren]

Might as well tbh

[open ibex]

how much ammo on scar?

[summer wren]

Got frima just sitting there

[dense hound]

55

[vagrant temple]

Rip didn’t get her mission pass skin

[raw jacinth]

He even said this is a specific case where you need fire

[vagrant temple]

Would’ve gotten if I knew she’d be good with 2b

[summer wren]

I know

Like for fire team

Is it any good

[raw jacinth]

I guess

[summer wren]

I can see 2b shine like makima-in-pvp

[vagrant temple]

Whose bs?

[dense hound]

Bullshit

[raw jacinth]

Blacksmith

[vagrant temple]

Ah

[dense hound]

LOL jk, it's Blacksmith

[summer wren]

[vagrant temple]

Fire adv?

[dense hound]

Blacksmith is Fire element so there's no adventage in those comp

[vagrant temple]

Icic

[summer wren]

What boss is wind again?

[dense hound]

Train

[summer wren]

Oh

2b is train killer then

[dense hound]

If you mean the one in Interception

[summer wren]

Yeah

[dense hound]

well... it's hard to say. Don't forget about Alice

She's the only unit who can piece its core

[summer wren]

Alice gets me on watchlist

Tryna avoid using her now

[dense hound]

I did the same with Snow White. Holding off investing shit load of resources just to do some specific fight.

But in the end I need to do it because that 3% in solo raid

[summer wren]

Im not that hardcore, as long as i get use 2b on all content without losing much dmg ceiling then im happy.

Still missing mast

[dense hound]

yeah, I'm a fan of Nier series so I don't regret put my resources on her.

Just hoping for more max hp buff unit

[worthy cedar]

did you hit any bombs with their aoe skills though

or even 2B's S2

will already bloat it otherwise

[dense hound]

Nope, those bomb were manually shooting down

[summer wren]

Well watch the next anni pilgrim buffs the shit out of hp and cdr

[dense hound]

2B's damage will remain the same anyway.

[velvet snow]

red h___

[dense hound]

Since her burst are the same as Dorothy

[velvet snow]

[neat hedge]

any 2b comps for coop?

[sick tapir]

[summer wren]

Dont coop

Teammate is trash

[neat hedge]

wdym

im with my guildies

[magic shell]

Lol 2B Burst AoE can't even destroy blacksmith bomb

This unit is not good lol, takes too much time to ramp up damage and it's not very that good when her burst was used 3x

Fit hardly in comps, must sacrifice a lot of op units to play around her

No point of having her in core teams, Solo/Union Raid unit at best

[merry yacht]

OL Mast Body to 5 too

[dense hound]

Nah, I have enough damage to do most content.

No need to waste on niches unit

[merry yacht]

Bro

Read

Her

Burst

[dense hound]

I know

[merry yacht]

It increases 2B's damage

Whats ur Mast burst

5?

7?

4?

3?

10?

Or 1

[dense hound]

If I need to do it to get into 3% then I'll do it

Otherwise it's just a waste

[merry yacht]

Hmm

Well, let me tell you that's around 150k more HP for 2B.

[dense hound]

The way you giving an advice is just looking down ob others intelligence is not nice

[pallid violet]

yep a lot of op units 😆 like....volume and mast? what u on about

[merry yacht]

Sorry

Not intended to be that way

[dense hound]

Oh okay.

[merry yacht]

Can u test that with Noise Novel instead

[dense hound]

You mean switch Mast with Novel?

[merry yacht]

Ye

But Novel only works for longer runs so

Biased

Sadge

[magic shell]

Litter Blanc Noir

[dense hound]

[merry yacht]

Maybe you can try changing Scarlet to

crow

I just wanna see if in longer fights

[magic shell]

She feels so underwhelming

[merry yacht]

Mast or Novel is better

Avtually let me test it too

[magic shell]

Why bothering making 2B to actually do mid damage when I can just run Litter Blanc Noir Scarlet Modernia

[dense hound]

I'll just replace scarlet with Isabelle then. So I can get to the next burst rotation faster.

[pallid violet]

i dont know why youd even put her with liter blanc noir like

ever?

[magic shell]

It's like I said

you can't use thoses nikkes

[dense hound]

Maybe it's because there's a content called Solo raid which need 5 teams

[pallid violet]

yeah she will do okayish damage but its not ever her best team lmfao

yeah and u wont use those nikkes

[unkempt remnant]

Soon global raid too bigger raid

[pallid violet]

cause there are other nikkes to use with her

[magic shell]

Like I said it's a Solo/Union Raid unit

[pallid violet]

yeah i dont think anyone has said otherwise ever

most units are for UR and SR and pvp

[magic shell]

It's disappointing

[pallid violet]

we have extremely op units for main team

[dense hound]

well

The end game is all about solo/ union raid anyways.

[magic shell]

Can't make her work for actual daily content

[pallid violet]

i doubt we will be seeing any main team units more than 2-3 times a year

[magic shell]

Like Special Interception

[pallid violet]

its become pretty clear that shift ups focus has been making more diverse units lately

which will most likely fall into team building in raids

not campaign

[magic shell]

Sad of having to bench her and get her out just for one purpose

[pallid violet]

yeah if u dont care much for multi team content i get u feel that way

but idk if they will be making many units that u will excited for

more for u to save gems for tho

[open ibex]

You can make anyone work is special interception

It not particularly hard

[pallid violet]

yeah i mean SI is easy i guess he meant more like high end story

or hard mode

[magic shell]

Yeah just get Scarlet in a comp with anyone and yes you can use anyone

[pallid violet]

i mean if u lack both scarlet and mod i can definitely see 2B being a unit that can help people push SI

for new players

[magic shell]

I have both, but I wanted to make 2B do decent damage in SI but no she's too underwhelming

[open ibex]

But it plays even less than UR or SR

[pallid violet]

dont u clear it already

[raw jacinth]

That's not a good point tho cuz literally everyone benefit from liter and bunny. So you will combine them only when you need 1 team. In that case you arent wasting those supports

[pallid violet]

haha true idk man

[dense hound]

NovelMast is better (But my Novel S3 is level 10 and Mast is 4/4/4)

[open ibex]

You can clear a few stages every 20 lvl

[pallid violet]

the content i most look forward to is raids

so units like 2b i really like

that i can make more teams with

[magic shell]

Was not talking about Solo/Union Raid but more SI

[pallid violet]

correct me if wrong but couldnt the difference here be due to the first screenshot being 10 sec longer than second?

[magic shell]

Yeah I already clear every boss but what is the purpose of pulling unit like her if you can't even make her works to change a little bit of routine

[pallid violet]

for raid

which is the difficult content

si is just daily farm

its like farming skill material stage

[dense hound]

ah my bad. I was looking only at 2B damage.
Then Mast is better in this comp.

[magic shell]

SI is daily and manual play so if I can diversify the way I do this kind of content it's fun

Raid is not here everyday

[raw jacinth]

Ya, in SI, you only need 1 team so no supports is a waste. In raid, 2b will use noise/mast which no one else uses so meh in both cases

[dense hound]

In the end it's up the state of your account. For people who got their meta team in SI which can clear most SI under 1 min then I don't know why do they need to care about unit that perform well in SI at all.

[pallid violet]

i just dont really ever see me changing my si team when i clear it in 40 sec, i cant see how any unit might make that much faster unless I build a snow white team

[open ibex]

What stops you from doing so if you already can clear it with your current team

[magic shell]

You guys don't having fun in SI then, and if you don't have fun in this where do you guys having fun in daily content except S/U Raid ?

[merry yacht]

Hmmm, fps drops for Frima one

[open ibex]

I don't get your point

[merry yacht]

Oh ye Scarlet wiped the rocks at the end

Dont worry about that weird damage

[dim maple]

I have fun in making things work for characters even if they're shit

[pallid violet]

i mean i dont really have much fun on daily content right now 😆 i just like event story quests

[magic shell]

I can't find a way to make 2B viable in SI, that's just it

[pallid violet]

and building teams

[merry yacht]

This fucking Frima is 1 1 1

Frima is better

[pallid violet]

here globest

[dense hound]

Do bs grab your 2B in those fight?
It always grab my 2B when I'm testing.

[pallid violet]

he is testing in SI

and clears

so u can use her if u want

[dim maple]

If you're just concerned about damage, might as well just wait for pilgrims

[dense hound]

We're testing in SI because it's the only one environment that's fair to test.

[true gorge]

I have a feeling there's gonna be a level buff too get most Casuals at 200 and hardcore players at 300

So 2b is gonna be good soon

[magic shell]

I'm disappointed of 2B's damage in SI and on niche comps she fits in

[dense hound]

I wonder if they think that it'll ruin the sell if they provide a proper test environment so people figure out things faster.

[merry yacht]

Bro fps drops keep coming

LMAO

[merry yacht]

Ye

Lmao

[true gorge]

I hope someone find a way to get 120fps without getting us banned

Mod is gonna be sooo much fun
Also guillotine

2b is a sleeper unit

She's trash now
To be godly later
So no need to stress

[dense hound]

Didn't they already fixed the issue with more fps = more damage?

[true gorge]

Isn't that an engine problem?

Or was it spaghetti code

[merry yacht]

Mizore

Can you try

Frima instead of Noise

Even at 1 1 1

And compare damage?

I feel like

[dense hound]

Both Mast and Novel?

[merry yacht]

Only Mast

I feel like if I use Frima

There

I can save Noise for Guillotine

[raw jacinth]

Bruh, they updated it to get to wall easier but didn't make the wall disappear 💀

[clear forge]

Sup nerds

[true gorge]

I think it's just for new players

I imagine it's hell to be a new player in nikke lately

[clear forge]

2B didn't beat modernia damage

Unusable.

[dense hound]

My Frima is 1/1/1

[clear forge]

She did more with frima

But it also took longer

[dense hound]

More time to kill the boss

[true gorge]

This would be nice but how much damage is lost by having to use extra B1 and frima

[clear forge]

And also probably because others did lesser damage???

I'm not really sure

[raw jacinth]

In 1 month, new players will miss out on 2b, a2 and modernia skin so fuk them

[dense hound]

FOMO at its best

[true gorge]

The only reason I might pull A2 even though it's my last gold mileage

[dense hound]

I'm hopping that's she'll be the first clip RL that are actually do DPS

[raw jacinth]

Do it, vote with your wallet so shiftup makes more

[true gorge]

Rip newbie

I'm sure after anni they'll be more leniant with some stuff and add more content for phase 2 of the game

I worry it's gonna be repetitive so I hope they add more stuff to the game

[merry yacht]

No

[raw jacinth]

Laplace in shambles

[merry yacht]

Thats cus her S2 actually kills the bomb

LMAO

[true gorge]

Can't fast click with her
Her animation too long, so whats the point

Unless her Full charge* damage is insane

[merry yacht]

Her S2 IS A FUCKING SCREENWIPE

[clear forge]

That I know

[true gorge]

Laplace beam carries

[raw jacinth]

Not hard enough in the dps department

[merry yacht]

I dont get it. Left deal extra damage but boss dies later

I think I know what happens

You provably took some time killing the rocks

So its hard to test equivalence

[true gorge]

True
I'm biased because it helped me clear modernia on my first SI a long time ago

[merry yacht]

No, he shoots the rocks longer I guess

It's rng

Need to wait for Modernia boss

[dense hound]

More time = more damage
The difference coming from Mast give boost to other Nikke at the start so overall dps is higher.

[merry yacht]

For actual easy testing

[merry yacht]

No

Team deals more damage but game is longer.

Makes no sense.

It's you killing rocks.

That inflates the damage slightly and extends time.

Or just FPS.

[dense hound]

Oh right. It's was those projectiles

Damn, give us a proper testing environment Shift Up

[ruby mirage]

they don't want you to have too much data because then less people will pull on weaker units

[jade sluice]

The fair environment should be a single boss in tower imo

[dense hound]

But we can't re-do those fight right?

[jade sluice]

Can always redo if u cant kill the boss

[dense hound]

[merry yacht]

Frima 1 1 1, vs Noise 5 5 5

Conclusion: Noise ruins the fun.

Ok Noise is worse.

This is a different rotation.

Noise used a more efficient rotation that the first team barely can pull off.

Noise, I ignored the shit out of the rocks.

Frima better with same rotation and "me shooting rocks".

Frima BiS.

[sharp vapor]

The meme is real?

[jade sluice]

@merry yacht got sth for u in #pvp-arena-discussion

[merry yacht]

Noise's flaw is that she deactivates Mast S1.

[grizzled kraken]

If only frima skill 2 stacks

[merry yacht]

I have written a guide for Prydwen soon.

In conclusion:

• MAST MAX HP MATTERS. MAST LB MATTERS. PUT HER IN UR WISHLIST.

Mast LB2 + Bonds give 72k HP.

If you OL Body and put that to 3, you get around 140k HP.

Head and shoes to 3, you get around 20k HP.

Again, Mast HP matters.

[summer wren]

A2?

Floor 176 not too bad

[merry yacht]

A2 scales well on attack.

[clear forge]

I keep fucking

Saying a2 instead of 2b

[summer wren]

A2 is probably worse

[clear forge]

This is like the 5th mixup

[summer wren]

[clear forge]

I've had

[clear forge]

Peep chat

[velvet snow]

They buff A2 boobs not her dmg but 2b wins on ass over modernia so must pull, def yes

[sharp vapor]

vs Blacksmith. 2B nabbed a burst on the final HP bar. Atm I don't have anyone better than Dorothy.

[merry yacht]

Alr

[merry yacht]

2.5 mins wtf

[sharp vapor]

no OL gear and I shoot rocks?

[merry yacht]

Wtf

[primal cosmos]

No OL

[summer wren]

XDDDDDDD

[queen grove]

[worthy cedar]

should pilot modernia instead

gotta keep modernia's stacks up

and MG ramped up to max speed

[fierce flicker]

What stats should I be looking for on OL gear for 2B?

[wraith lodge]

What's alternative for Mast and Noise for 2b

[merry yacht]

Frima Novel/Quency

[wraith lodge]

I have frima, Do i Replace Volume / Liter with her?

[dire locust]

frima

[wraith lodge]

i mean my 2b is already better off be on r34 as i dont have mast 💀

[summer wren]

r34 new units?

[wraith lodge]

[obsidian sable]

2B good with Burst 3 with full burst of 5 seconds? For faster skill 1 procs?

Sounds memey

[rigid lagoon]

frima is cute

dont knock frima

ill break ur toes

[queen grove]

Frima believers

[obsidian sable]

I mean in theory you're shaving off 10 seconds

To reach 2Bs max potential

[jade sluice]

But the cdr of the entire team remain the same tho

[obsidian sable]

Yeah

[jade sluice]

So u didnt really shave off anything

[worthy cedar]

it works if you run double CDR but double CDR units means almost no hp buffing for 2B

[obsidian sable]

Mast

Hmm

[worthy cedar]

so in practice it worked out nicely for ASS with Isabel as a partner that synergizes well

but for 2B it's not as easy

far less synergy going for her and less buffs in general for that comp

[wraith lodge]

Would like to ask sumthin
lets say I have a Team of volume, Mast, 2b, SAnis,Privaty
Mast Gave Max hp towards 2 of the Highest Atk Nikke, While my 2b Atk Is lower than Sanis, Volume and Priv, Will My 2b Still get The buff hp?

[worthy cedar]

you would need to calculate how much attack 2B has with her S2 attack buff as well

[dire locust]

2b will almost always get mast burst

just how she works

[worthy cedar]

point is if she isn't at least 2nd high attack stat (minus mast obviously) then no buff

[wraith lodge]

Yeah thats what i mean, i kinda went confused cuz Im afraid my 2b will get no buff xddd

[worthy cedar]

well luckily her S2 was designed with that in mind for mast

I don't do any of the number crunching but I trust the others that have already done so far

[mild valley]

are dupes worth?

as f2p

[worthy cedar]

I mean do you hear yourself right now

F2P can I go for dupes

[mild valley]

can i?

[wraith lodge]

[digital summit]

git lucky

[ruby mirage]

just pull 11 copies in your first 11 pulls

[hot kayak]

If I don’t have mast, which of novel or quency would be better?

[real egret]

novel

but since you can only use 1 novel in a raid team, it's kinda tough to decide which team to go with her

[hot kayak]

So team for 2B can be noise-volume-novel-2B and idk what 5th member would be

[jade sluice]

May as well use a third noise here for 5th

[hot kayak]

Oh snap u right haha

My b didn’t know

[worthy cedar]

3 noise dam that's cheating

[real egret]

can run scarlet

[hot kayak]

if no scarlet can I just do modernia then or someone else better

[real egret]

no

modernia doesn't want to burst

and this team is 2-1-2 meaning the 2nd b3 has to burst

[hot kayak]

what would be good 2nd b3 unit in this case if no scarlet

[real egret]

guillotine

noise already permataunts the boss

but if there's an aoe/untauntable attack

guillotine will die

[hot kayak]

ok gotchu, ty

[real egret]

it can be laplace, drake, helm

[spark veldt]

I don't have volume and Mast, can i use s.mary-novel-2b-scarlett-noise?

[real egret]

yea but you have to think holistically

who are your other teams going to be

can scarlet be put somewhere else and then you'll perform better overall

[timber vector]

Replace is such a strong word, I would call Julia a substitute instead

[winged verge]

Replace is suitable because, as I mentioned before, I don't use Scarlet anymore outside of raids.

[jade sluice]

this thread is good, whenever i come here i see talk about nikke like frima, julia etc..

[timber vector]

"Replace is suitable because, as I mentioned before, I don't use Scarlet anymore outside of raids."

[jade sluice]

what u pushing campaign with?

[timber vector]

Anything that clears tbh, Scarlet, Alice, SAnis, even Harran

And I am looking forward to clear campaign with 2B

However

[jade sluice]

versatile player , respect

[timber vector]

Too lazy to build her 101010

[jade sluice]

i run her in campaign with bunnies

but only for easy stage

cant hit wall, she is bad at wall stage

[timber vector]

That's why I don't agree with word replace, just use all of them

The wall stage? Is that the defense battle where you stop som raptures from coming through a border?

[jade sluice]

some stage that has rapture look like this

most of them are walls

[winged verge]

Pretty sure one can't use 90 Nikkes in one team.

[timber vector]

I don't know, I didn't really think about that, but I get what you mean

"Pretty sure one can't use 90 Nikkes in one team."

[jade sluice]

yea these stage are what define if a new released nikke have caliber or not in campaign

not easy small rapture stages

[winged verge]

2B actually got me further into the current wall I'm stuck on

Still can't clear it tho

100k CP under

[jade sluice]

but its from end game perspective, 2b really good for new-mid progress player

[timber vector]

Yeah I wish I can test her myself but I spend all of my mats to 101010 SAnis

[jade sluice]

sanis is slightly better

but still not really defining nikke

[timber vector]

I need her since she kicks in pvp

God I pray that 2B is good in pvp

Haven't see anyone use her in my bracket tho.

[jade sluice]

#pvp-arena-discussion message

check out the opponent 1st team

[hollow hull]

PvP in a near future: everyone is defender

[latent hinge]

Don't worry about rapunzel being lvl one, I haven't put her in the sync, otherwise, this a solid 2b team?

Not me forgetting to attach the screenshot

[real egret]

Noise would be better

Noise burst in sync with 2b burst

[elder geyser]

problem with noise is her burst possibly ruin mast crit dmg buff

if you are pvp enjoyer, high chance is you already have heavily invested in noise

in order to fix this, you have to invest in mast as well

[real egret]

Mast off burst will also not be below 70% hp with rapunzel/noise around

[latent hinge]

Why would noise ruin masts crit buff?

Oh

[hollow hull]

THis can be fixed by keeping Mast's burst level higher than noise

though i'm still questioning if both of their burst can be at max level and provide better DPS to 2B

[compact frost]

uninvested 2b vs SI BS

[sick tapir]

Basic attack multiplier is too shit man

[compact frost]

but i can def see the 2b potential

[jade sluice]

Bs?

[sick tapir]

If only it wasn't 6% atk multiplier

[compact frost]

[fresh heron]

2B can be closed to Scarlet if the match is long enough and she can burst lots (6 times for example)

When I removed burst dmg, she deals at max 48% dmg of Scarlet basic attack

If boss has no core, 2B is even better than Scarlet assuming both burst

she's better Soline for sure

who even manages that loli at 100% hp lol

[compact frost]

some crazy malders

in my union

[fresh heron]

@thorny raptor

[compact frost]

good thing I dont have invest into soline then

[fresh heron]

th 48% matters in PVP where you can only burst once then relies on auto attack

2B is only 30% beefier than Scarlet

well I can't calculate Scarlet hp burns though

but if both shoots each other, Scarlet should be the winner by a hair

depending on RNG of her S2 too

[elder geyser]

me

by hugging very tight

[jade sluice]

All those stones on alice

[dire locust]

what a comp

[hollow hull]

@merry yacht Can Noise's burst and Mast's burst at the same level 10? would it make 2B reach peak performance?

[gusty hull]

I guess I need to use Guilty for one of the remaining slots? Since the team needs more burst gen and she can copy 2B's high atk

I don't know WHO to use for the second b3 though

[vivid loom]

So I messed around with 2B on PvP

[gusty hull]

oh wait the team doesn't have cdr, screw this back to the drawing board

[vivid loom]

Noise + 2B is showing potential

Keep in mind I tested the combo with the Jackal + Centi engine

the last slot is flex

[vivid loom]

How is the bust gen though?

[dire locust]

guilty copies base attack

[gusty hull]

yeah just found out

[vivid loom]

I tried that comp with Centi but...eh

[gusty hull]

It's really hard to find another b3 to pair with her for me

[vivid loom]

there were times where Centi will activate burst at the last nanosecond instead of Mast

[gusty hull]

maybe drake then, for more burst gen

idk if drake's atk buff affects 2b's atk post-buff or pre-buff, s2 wise

[vivid loom]

It should

Since the atk buff will apply at FB

So far, in terms of PvE I think Frima is the better choice compared to Noise

coz 20 secs CD

PvP on the other hand

Noise is without the doubt the best choice for an 2B team

[gusty hull]

i agree but, god damn my frima comp looks just downright ugly trying to fit cdr in

[vivid loom]

We'll find a way

There should be something in there

Imma try with slotting in Drake and Privaty

if Burst gen is an issue

I think replacing Drake for Harran will be ok

[jade sluice]

Just copy top 1 guy

[vivid loom]

But it's gonna be hard testing on my part

since my main dmg dealers are either full OL or 3 OL at level 5

[gusty hull]

it's gonna be a while getting this brat to full ol, but I can wait

actually let's skip the gloves for now lmao

[hollow hull]

to make use of her, just OL Helmet and Body

to get HP, because her kits scale with it

she have no dmg whatsoever, you just use her to tank and cast skills

[gusty hull]

she actually does quite a bit if you pair her with ASS and guillotine, but I'm not using her with them

[hollow hull]

strategically spending

you only OL her to get more upgrades on base stats

[gusty hull]

yeah

[hollow hull]

Foot gear buff HP as well, but it have lowest stats gain on that

[dire locust]

2B burst can crit right

[merry yacht]

Use Frima

Skyjlv has already helped confirm that Frima > Noise.

Uninvested Frima is fine.

Just not Noise.

Save Noise for your Guillo team (+ SAnis).

[dire locust]

kisenix

answer my question

[merry yacht]

What question

[merry yacht]

It either entirely crits or not crits

Youd better off build elemental damage

Full guide soon

[dire locust]

im ur biggest fan btw

[merry yacht]

Scam

[vale cave]

what nikke do u pair as b1 with noise on a 2b team

[balmy sail]

I use Dorothy

I do have MLB volume, but I'm not sure if she'd be better than using Dorothy.

[clear forge]

Cdr nikke
And then use mast as b2

Or use cdr in B2 and use Dorothy/pepper for DPS in B1?

I guess

[balmy sail]

Also it's worth noting that if you don't have Mast, Quency is also an option for replacing her till you get Mast, since she is pretty much Mast-lite.

[merry yacht]

Quency and Mast are different

Quency MAX HP IS BASED ON THE FUCKING TARGET

MAST IS BASED ON HERSELF

[dire locust]

kisenix big fan but no caps it sounds like im getting yelled at reminds me of my childhood

[merry yacht]

But number of wise

Number wise

Mast is higher

Just that Mast needs investmentd

Quency might actually be better

Lmao

[balmy sail]

I don't say Mast isn't higher, but Quency should serve as a decent replacement till players unfortunate enough to not have gotten her initially can fish her from the normal banner or heck maybe even anniversary rewards.

Without a Mast or Quency on hand, people can't do much with 2B.

[true gorge]

You guys think A2 is gonna be worse than 2B?

[gusty hull]

depends on whether her massive blast radius can hit multiple parts or not

[true gorge]

Hmm
I hope so

[thorny raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1138716632382971945.gif?size=64

[fresh heron]

[thorny raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1093158744373866516.gif?size=64

[merry yacht]

It is higher

And Novel can work

[merry yacht]

Ok stop asking for questions.

Here's the guide

https://blog.prydwen.gg/2023/09/02/2b-review-and-ratings/

If I see a question whose answer is already on the blog, I will summon Modernia's Doll to whoop your ass.

[real egret]

hey guys, is 2b worth pulling?

[lusty plank]

[hollow hull]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-war-hammer-40k-gif-15907237

[dire locust]

Im new to the game just downloaded cuz i saw nier collab is 2b good

[onyx crest]

I have to invest in all her supps

[hollow hull]

"Limit Breaks are super valuable. They not only buff her base ATK (even if it is trivial) but also her HP (which means more ATK)!"
I don't regret having her at 3*

[ember chasm]

is mast good

for 2b

i can't tell from your review

[hollow hull]

yes

[ember chasm]

[dire locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169657939820625/1147243908779221012/1693527797346948.gif

[hollow hull]

"Mast is the universal Best-in-Slot for 2B. Not pairing Mast with 2B is a terrible move. She provides an enormous MAX HP buff that surpasses the other support units (even Noise), and it is only on 20s cooldown. Mast is a steal. Not only that, she also allows 2B to further boost her damage with fierce critical hits."

Mast just like 2B, she need a lot of investment too

[ember chasm]

i'm
kidding

homie.

[hollow hull]

😭

well, i was right when i said 2B would land from S to SS on tier list xD

Hmm, i think Mast deserve to get out of C's Jail, as she enabler the meta 2B

[ember chasm]

is that

color blind mode

what ami looking at

[hollow hull]

force dark theme on browser xD

[ember chasm]

the colors look gross

[hollow hull]

Yes, it gross on websites that already have dark colors, no problem for me

There are websites that only have white color, using force dark theme make it pleasant for me.

[digital summit]

mast is in A tier

[onyx crest]

ss tier

among the best burst 2

even without 2b

mast + sanis is pretty nuts

[digital summit]

God bless I got mast in 2B banner

[onyx crest]

i always disagree with this shit