[2B] New Unit Megathread

[atomic epoch]

which subs for 2b

[obsidian sable]

Go buy more

[merry yacht]

Poor

[dire locust]

more likely than not shes not gonna be as SSS tier as some people here are hyping up

[clear forge]

Whoa, the scaling is nice

[minor remnant]

6% basic is so bad worst than smg

[clear forge]

Yeah, probably SS bossing and S campaign

[dry bramble]

stop cooking now

[true gorge]

What rank would you say she is so far

From just guessing?

[dire locust]

meh not even

[clear forge]

From my first impressions

[dry bramble]

My MLB 2B is a BRICK

[winged verge]

Yes, but she gets way more attack than Scarlet from her skills

[true gorge]

I typed that before you actually said the rank lol

[clear forge]

Hmm idk
I feel like SS is justified considering her DPS output

[thorny raptor]

2b 4/4/4 guilo 4/10/4

[merry yacht]

What's the OL/skill

And also 00:48

Run

Not good

You need 3 minutes run

[obsidian sable]

Modernia Guillotine taking Mast buff

[merry yacht]

MF LOOK AT HER FIRST SKILL LA

[clear forge]

Spill the skill levels

[merry yacht]

LITERALLY IT TAKES 3 ROTATIONS

[true gorge]

Is she better or worse than anis?

[merry yacht]

And U ALL POSTING DAMAGE AFTER 40SECS

[clear forge]

1:30 ideal test bitch

[dense hound]

bruh, where tf do I test that

[pallid violet]

ideal test for who

[clear forge]

@thorny raptor test on mock battle SI for accuracy

[pallid violet]

for non 2b units

[merry yacht]

Wait for Mod and stall

[granite garden]

Someone does this on GD, 46 seconds battle

[pallid violet]

😆

[dire locust]

the problem with some analysis here is that there is too much emotional bias 🤷‍♂️

[merry yacht]

[clear forge]

I was trolling

[dense hound]

5/5/6, Full T9M+5, C7

[worthy cedar]

does her S1 only activate on her burst or any burst cause it's actually 5 rotations

[dire locust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956169657939820625/1146243828513259560/1693231741140162.gif

[pallid violet]

hard to say cause many people do say some crazy shit

[worthy cedar]

for her to get 3 stacks

[dire locust]

yep

[clear forge]

Her burst

[winged verge]

Screenshots are showing she outdamages Noir, who most people should be stacking like crazy with ATK

[worthy cedar]

then 5 rotations

[winged verge]

As a Defender, that's good

[worthy cedar]

[merry yacht]

Where did he test this

[clear forge]

Yep

[clear forge]

Gd

[thorny raptor]

[clear forge]

It's written

[dense hound]

Not today then, it's a fucking Grave Digger today so it's took too much effort to stalling that shit.

[clear forge]

Read

[granite garden]

GD interception

[merry yacht]

No slot

Ok diyched Helm and Diesel

[merry yacht]

Whats the investment

[onyx crest]

400k with volume

500k with jackal

[dry bramble]

I followed your cooking and now my account is bricked my MLB 2B does no damage

[onyx crest]

i made sure not to trigger jackal s1

[dry bramble]

[dire locust]

[onyx crest]

i'm confidant jackal burst works with 2b

[merry yacht]

What cooking

What did I do

Wtf

[dry bramble]

The SAnis one

[merry yacht]

Huh?

[dire locust]

HUH

[merry yacht]

Which one?

[dire locust]

stop being mean to kisenix! hes having fun

[onyx crest]

second slice

the single target one

[pallid violet]

shooting range result for me

[merry yacht]

Bro im in the same pos as you

I upgraded SAnis 3 days before kit reveal

U mf

[true gorge]

I'd take out Miranda or poli ngl

Actually take out normal anis

[pallid violet]

guilotine is 4/10/10

[dire locust]

ah that makes sense but then ur running jackal

[pallid violet]

2b is 4/8/6

[dry bramble]

I followed this and put it all into 2B

[onyx crest]

first slice also?

[dense hound]

I guess she's not good with the fight that doesn't last long.

[dire locust]

first slice shudnt work

[onyx crest]

is my testing fucked up?

[merry yacht]

What investment

Spit investments when u post dmg or I kick ur ass

[merry yacht]

[dense hound]

All of these people can't even last longer than 1 minutes, smh

[dire locust]

had a 10/10/10 core 7 guy test it he said no bueno

[pallid violet]

posted 2 more messages below

[merry yacht]

But there is no skill reset

[onyx crest]

both the first and second part deal more dmg when i use jackal with b2

[pallid violet]

guilotine is 4/10/10
2b is 4/8/6

[dry bramble]

I saved books

[merry yacht]

S2 must be 10

[dense hound]

#1146727988679942174 message

[minor remnant]

hot take, she is unplayable without Mast

[winged verge]

Core 2, 4/6/5, +0 T9M/+2 OL (Max Ammo 68%)/+0 T9M/+0 T9M

vs GD

[dire locust]

@dry bramble

[pallid violet]

honestly for the setup u have for her there this is good

[winged verge]

Those are good numbers imo considering my Scarlet and Modernia are +5 OLs with fairly attacked subs

[pallid violet]

for how suboptimal it is for her

[winged verge]

Yeah, that's the point

[dense hound]

I guess see her damage after what we've got from ASS make her underwhelming.

[winged verge]

Using S Anis has a standard is fundamentally problematic

[fierce flicker]

What cube should she use?

[winged verge]

I caused my entire rookie arena to stop using Scarlet cuz my S Anis wiped everyone.

[solemn jacinth]

for a defender that's pretty good,
but what function does she serve,
sure she can tank but no taunt

[clear iris]

Using < 90 seconds is problematic

[winged verge]

Nothing in this game sub-90 seconds is difficult

[clear iris]

We really need something like a raid

[thorny raptor]

SI are too weak to test anything

where is SI++ pro max

[clear iris]

Oh wait weak to fire code Blacksmith

[dry bramble]

God dm an

[winged verge]

Train is weak to fire

Blacksmith weak to Water

[clear iris]

Except we kill train too quickly
And that's before train will shred 2B to pieces

[clear iris]

Solo raid 5 blacksmith

[winged verge]

Enter Sakura and/or Biscuit

Also, who takes damage from train anymore

[worthy cedar]

people who only reached endgame/have no idea how to play/invest/idk

[winged verge]

No unit is going to single-handedly save those people tho.

[fierce flicker]

Which cube should 2B use?

[dense hound]

The one that refund your ammo, I guess?

[winged verge]

Bastion, no? She doesn't really benefit tremendously from any cube

so might as well pad the 300 shot skill

[onyx crest]

@dire locust volume vs jackal video

83+40 vs 100 + 50

[pallid violet]

testing some different teams to see her damage (2b is 4/8/6)

shooting range

wait wrong seecond pic

[dense hound]

If I put Jackal, Mast in the comp then which CDR should I use?

[dire locust]

idk im just letting whales i trust test lol

im here for the ride though

[winged verge]

What's your gear investment?

[onyx crest]

same here

except this specific thing

it interests me if jackal works with her

and it just does

[pallid violet]

2B

[pallid violet]

scarlet

[vocal vigil]

So tl;dr

2b is a meme

[pallid violet]

scarlet has 3 max ammo

[winged verge]

👍

That's clean damage

[pallid violet]

i think fully invested she will be just a bit under scarlet maybe?

[jade sluice]

so the AR % is good? worth core now?

[gleaming raft]

Same, although I'd be a lot less impatient if the game didn't cuck me and give me 2 copies on the last possible pull LMAO. I was cucked and got an Elysion and Missilis a few summons in

[winged verge]

Anyone who was expecting S Anis from a Defender was crazy in the first place

[echo stone]

How much does 2B got her atk more than scar? Or is it not? A bit out of topic but I'm wondering if this team will work in pvp?
2B Defender that do decent? dmg
Biscuit Make 2B immortal for 10S
Guilty Dps (borrow 2b ATK)
And another 2 be any unit?
Like... Noise and another B3

[merry yacht]

Mf died before she bursts

2B damage exceeds Scarlet after she bursts

She needs 3rd rotation and she outdamages Scarlet

[pallid violet]

whats your investment here 👀

[merry yacht]

5/10/3

Body OL Lv5

[pallid violet]

noice, with that burst up man i think shes gonna be beefy

also doesnt hp scale more per level than attack? what will she look like at 400 level in SR compared to attacker?

[jade sluice]

u tested her in campaign yet?

[rigid lagoon]

lvl 8 loot

my guy failled the run?

[winged verge]

Yeah, solo raid is where she'll be crazy

[rigid lagoon]

lol

[winged verge]

I ran some math before and had her getting over 50k ATK over Scarlet since she'd be at around 5 mil hp

[dry bramble]

Max core?

[merry yacht]

No

[summer wren]

That's a mock

[merry yacht]

Lb2

No

Lb1

[analog galleon]

Does the burst deal dmg before the buff or after cuz 3rd buff with burst probably wont happen in 3mins fight

[merry yacht]

Its almost her 4th burst rotation

But I have aim issue

[summer wren]

I wait for tldrs

[analog galleon]

Ye if dmg happen before the buff then she need 4th burst

[merry yacht]

At the start of her 3rd rotation, she alr outdamages Scarlet

[analog galleon]

To utilize that

[dense hound]

So she need high investment kinda Nikke?

[pallid violet]

yes

and all her skills give her damage

[gleaming raft]

Look if I can make her work eventually everything is fine, I can live with that

[winged verge]

Yeah, she looked very expensive from the start

and she'll shine most in raids

Especially solo raid, since we still lack enough strong damage units to have remotely close to equal damaging teams.

[merry yacht]

Both units are expensive

But her S2 must be 10

If not 10

Ure fucked

As for A2

Its her burst

BECAUSE SHE LOSES MORE HP AT LOW LEVELS U MOTHERFUCKER

LOL

[dense hound]

You need to put in Healer in the team for A2 right?

Otherwise her burst won't go off on the 2nd time

[desert furnace]

doomposting is real

[winged verge]

Wait seriously?

I haven't checked the scaling yet

[merry yacht]

She scales

The HP loss fucking scales

[winged verge]

LOL

[merry yacht]

5/10/5

[dense hound]

geez

[merry yacht]

Should be fine for most 2B

For A2

5/5/x

[dense hound]

No wonder they're selling skill module packs

[last copper]

best 2b team?

[merry yacht]

X being the number where her HP doesnt go down anymore

[merry yacht]

Noise Volume Novel/Mast 2B Scar

Currently

Thats what Im thinking

Let me try with Masy

[mild valley]

so is 2B broken?

[summer wren]

Nope

[mild valley]

so worth MLB?

[dire locust]

for lobby animation

tldr: no one knows yet

[mild valley]

told you shed be trash

[dire locust]

need more time

anyone telling u anything definitive is trolling

[summer wren]

2b need a normal atk buff

[pallid violet]

people so fast to say nope when shes approaching scarlet dps and shes not even maxed

[merry yacht]

Mast better

Dont

Even

Think

[dense hound]

bruh

[jade sluice]

anyone run 2B in campaign maps? how she performs there?

[onyx crest]

mast is the secondary blanc everybody wants her

[dense hound]

You stall for 2 minutes?

[merry yacht]

Its Guillotine's death

Yeah aim issue again

Then I die

[fluid lodge]

good thing I didnt raise guillotine yet

[raw jacinth]

Likely bad. She need multiple burst

[merry yacht]

No, Gui doesnt need Mast btw

[raw jacinth]

At least bad compared to top meta units

[desert furnace]

it is very easy to jump to conclusions

[velvet snow]

What substats i must search for 2b?

[merry yacht]

Mast doesnt benefit Gui when her HP is low

[velvet snow]

With ol gear

[merry yacht]

So Gui loves Novel more

Ive said this before

[jade sluice]

i guess i need to run her myself

[summer wren]

[merry yacht]

Byw

[echo stone]

If not Novel/Mast any alternative?

[merry yacht]

None

Lmao

[ruby mirage]

if she doesn't beat scarlet she's crow

hate to see it

[summer wren]

2b is the 4th team dps I guess

[merry yacht]

This is 5/10/5 2B showcqse

5/10/10 will outdps Scarlet

Greatly

[ruby mirage]

everyone has scarlet after all

[merry yacht]

THIS IS WHY I WANT TO FUCKING RESET MY MAXWELL AND SANIS, YOU MF SHIFTUP

WHEN SKILL RESET FUCK

[echo stone]

Mast skill lv. recommend?

[merry yacht]

535

[dire locust]

[gleaming raft]

Skill recs for the Noise/Volume/mast/2B/Scar team would be hugely appreciated (I'm braindead)

[dire locust]

i love kisenix

[dense hound]

5/10/6, full T9M+5, C7

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

Unit issue

Bro thats 1.15

Too short

Play longer

U have aim issue?

[echo stone]

I'm sorry but doesn't she do more dmg because scarlet died first 😭

[merry yacht]

HAHAHAHAHAY

[arctic sluice]

kisenix already done with sanis

[merry yacht]

Im done

Actually done

@ember chasm i upped her burst to 9, aka SAnis

And now I regret

It

A lot

A FUCKING LOT

Alot

[arctic sluice]

spent all last month repping the sanis train

[merry yacht]

Lotlotlotloltolot

[arctic sluice]

my sanis is gonna stay b4-5 forever

[pallid violet]

how come regret?

[merry yacht]

And maxwlel too

And now 2 fucking units

[arctic sluice]

and i'll just put her with privaty

[merry yacht]

Want fucking burdt manuals

[merry yacht]

Cus these 2 units want burst manuals

MORE

And much better

[raw jacinth]

$$$

[split pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012288696336273428/1070326844991225876/credit_card.png

[pallid violet]

ahahaha fair

[echo stone]

Was the Event shop not availible yet? or is it still not enough to buy Burst manuals?

[winged verge]

Never enough

Worried that next week we won't get a skill mat bundle reset cuz same element

😓

[arctic sluice]

just dont level up 2b

embrace chad a2

[raw jacinth]

Sure, embrace the one you need to babysit

[ember chasm]

my gold manuals are also gone

skill reset where

[dense hound]

It doesn't matter. I think this is enough to prove that she need more investment just to barely go near Scarlet tier.

[arctic sluice]

ah yes babysiting

using pepper or smary

[arctic sluice]

[prisma pollen]

can someone tl;dr for me

is 2B worth pulling?

[autumn mulch]

maxed skill 2
ooooooof thats rough

[dense hound]

gonna wait for other theory crafter, whels to test out then I'll decide if she's worth OL

[pallid violet]

bruh how can u guys want a tldr without wanting to research at all

[raw jacinth]

You can't say no to her cake

[primal cosmos]

I think people are still testing

[winged verge]

One copy is definitely worth

no question

[foggy sphinx]

She's looking extremely promising

[prisma pollen]

Meta > Lore/etc for such collab pulls hahaha

[prisma pollen]

SAnis tier?

[foggy sphinx]

Easily SAnis tier

[raw jacinth]

Then roll for pilgrims

[dire locust]

💀

[winged verge]

2/3 probably recommended for lower spenders to max bond for more HP

[worthy cedar]

ASS tier
as in her ass in your face tier

[prisma pollen]

gotta build up to redeem them straightaway y'know haha

[ruby mirage]

tell me her exact place on the tier list right now or i'll shoot

[winged verge]

Although for those deciding between A2 and 2B on which to get past 0*, wait until next week

[granite garden]

Why not both?

[dense hound]

She's the only unit that have clear vision to her ass in lobby wallpaper right?

[raw jacinth]

Team 4

[winged verge]

Some people drained themselves too much for S Anis

[worldly willow]

Is that a gravedigger run?

[granite garden]

Wellno one burst have ass shot so far except her

[dense hound]

yes

[raw jacinth]

Man, if 2b is team4. That kinda sad

[worldly willow]

Cool, thank you

[velvet snow]

What should i get?

[winged verge]

Not really, since she'd be strengthening it

She requires a different team comp from our current DPS units

[ember chasm]

I'm rigorously testing, theory crafting, and observing

[raw jacinth]

U guys went from comparable/ surpass scarlet to only for SR

[ruby mirage]

think people were saying she wants crit/ele damage?

[opal gorge]

Well apparently she's not even close to scarlet, at this point i no longer have hope for any good units besides pilgrims.

[velvet snow]

And no extra ammo?

[velvet snow]

Or crt dmg?

[ember chasm]

nah

[winged verge]

Uh, so far no one has her +5 OLs and fully maxed skills

[ember chasm]

crit rate and crit dmg / elem

[velvet snow]

Okay

[winged verge]

so saying she's not close to Scarlet is kind of silly

[velvet snow]

Ty

[winged verge]

Everyone's clearly saying she's expensive to build

[autumn mulch]

releasing a limited unit that surpasses pilgrims straight up would be a stupid decision, and fortunately they havent done it so far, but we'll see

[granite garden]

This guy did. GD interception, 46 sec battle

[pallid violet]

not even close to scarlet according to who bruh 😭

[dense hound]

I think she'll be a good solo unit if they're pulling off bs gimmick like they did on the train last time.
That turret hit like a trucks and she's defender so I think she can survive easily.

[mild valley]

@merry yacht remember this morning when you were going all crazy saying 2b is broken?

[winged verge]

Close to Scarlet in damage and not optimal build

[dire locust]

chinese guy in na rank 3 union has 10 10 10 core 7 all lv 5 ols

[winged verge]

Gotcha

[raw jacinth]

That's actually not bad

[opal gorge]

Releasing collab units for moral support who's not gonna even get used, might as well not do any collab

[ember chasm]

tbf, 2b and scar kinda share the same teams

[pallid violet]

cool and this is SI probably cleared in a minute and something and shes touching scarlet, so after 1:30 and with her optimal team you just show that she will do a lot more damage than scarlet?

[dire locust]

be NICE

[pallid violet]

thats what u are showing us, that shes strong AF

[winged verge]

Yup yup

[pallid violet]

damn actually for 46 sec thats busted for 2b

[raw jacinth]

Why?

[winged verge]

She just needs time to build up through bursts

[ember chasm]

2b wants vol and mast

[winged verge]

Since Alice & Mod became best buds, Scarlet's been getting attached to Volume/Mast

[ember chasm]

[granite garden]

Here, link to the post
https://reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/s/tkdUCM0oFG

[raw jacinth]

But scarlet don't need that

[autumn mulch]

the way i see it most of the solo content so far you're either gonna finish or you're gonna die before you can even do 3 full bursts

[mild valley]

i thought i was being pretty nice about, in reference to the way he was talking to me, like i was an idiot to suggest 2b wasnt gonna be all that good

[spice lantern]

For PvP yes, archetype is the same, but they don't compete as much for supports aside from Jackal

[winged verge]

If you're dying, that sounds like a skill issue.

[autumn mulch]

unless its HP bloat bosses like union raid or chapter finale

[winged verge]

I haven't had teams wipe in solo raid since Mother Whale

[dire locust]

he is known to exagerrate because he is passionate about his opinions

[pallid violet]

but...u are

cause she is

😆

really good

the guy literally posted a pic of a 46 sec battle and 2b is touching scarlet

with unoptimal team

[autumn mulch]

i mean, i havent either, but how much of the stages youve finished actually even lets you do 3 full burst cycles

[winged verge]

The challenge one?

[mild valley]

yeah touching scarlet, everyone was saying she was lightyears ahead

[pallid violet]

yeah she will be on 3 min battle

[arctic sluice]

And that team is optimal for scarlet?

No lol

[winged verge]

Stages I-VII are full auto clears.

[raw jacinth]

On theory where you can. Do 3burst instantly

[arctic sluice]

So let’s kind of calm down

[dire locust]

rather ppl underhype and overdeliver than overhype and underdeliver

[winged verge]

Touching Scarlet in a battle that's one minute and change

Scarlet's damage is online in pretty much a single burst cycle

2B requires six

[pallid violet]

no but she does make use of the damage up from blanc and attack buff from noir a lot more than 2b in 40 seconds

[arctic sluice]

also looking at the rotation most liekly

[midnight trellis]

Unoptimal team and didn’t even get to max stacks

[arctic sluice]

scarlet bursted 2nd

so you had 3 burst rotations and so it can skew the results

[winged verge]

True true

[arctic sluice]

its gonna take way better testing than what people are showing with special intercept

before we can start popping off

people did this with sanis

[winged verge]

Next solo raid is the real test

[arctic sluice]

and it just keeps happenign lmao

ya'll need patience

[winged verge]

Three weeks of banner, yeah

No need to throw everything or make a decision day 1

[arctic sluice]

people just are too excited

i love nier automata too lol

[winged verge]

But anyone arguing she's bad is crazy rn

[dire locust]

it goes both ways

lol

[winged verge]

She's 100% worth pulling

[raw jacinth]

So what's the plan folks? Pair 2b with Isabel for more burst?

[winged verge]

The question is max core or not

[pallid violet]

i mean we can only speculate now man ofc we are hyping her up cause even in 40 sec she seems promising? we cant know for sure until an actual 3 min battle

[arctic sluice]

a 40 second battle where one unit is going to burst more than the other

isn't a good test

so even like going "she's touching scarlet" i mena i can make anyone touch scarlet

i can just make it so scarlet doesn't burst

[winged verge]

Try to make Signal touch Scarlet

I dare you

[dire locust]

[arctic sluice]

and all of a sudden characters are touching her

[pallid violet]

dont u only get 2 bursts in 40 secs? wouldt both of them burst once?

[arctic sluice]

[dire locust]

bet

[dry bramble]

Man I can’t believe I bricked my account with this

She’s so weak rn

SMH

[arctic sluice]

with doro cdr you can probably get 3

[dire locust]

ill just switch to scarlet and self cover

[ruby mirage]

make pascal touch scarlet right now

[pallid violet]

in 46 secs? idk man, they still gotta generate the burst and only noir is generating there

[arctic sluice]

boss fights are pretty easy to gen

its not gonna take 10 seconds to generatre full burst lol

[dry bramble]

Where’s the timaeuss analysis

I need it

How do I fix my 2B

[winged verge]

FREE TRAIN

[arctic sluice]

sure let me just

unequip all my ol from scarlet

[merry yacht]

Eh

No

Longer fights

[winged verge]

In shooting range, I only had around 34 mil when I had the S2 at 6. Upgraded to 8 and it turned out like this

[merry yacht]

She is

[winged verge]

just put OL gear on Pascal

[merry yacht]

You were all testing wrongly

[dry bramble]

Your scarlet is weak then? just curious

[merry yacht]

The power is 45k

[dry bramble]

Ok not bad

[winged verge]

vs 2B

[echo stone]

So I'm I correct to say that she's weaker than Scarlet but not the 8th strongest Unit in the game but stronger? or no?

[winged verge]

Potentially stronger than Scarlet in 3 minute battles

[pallid violet]

btw on shooting range 2b is distributed damage burst scarlet is equal damage to all right?

[merry yacht]

She is stronger than Scarlet

In longer battles

[dire locust]

[winged verge]

Yeah. Scarlet's burst is inherently stronger the more enemies that are on the field

[mild valley]

cant wait for those 15 min battles

[merry yacht]

What happens to the shoes

What the fuck

[dire locust]

[winged verge]

Oh woops

Only have one pair of Abnormals

They were stuck on Makima

[pallid violet]

lotus gets 1 min battles on SR somehow

[winged verge]

I'm probably one of the only people in the world who struggles for Abnormal gear

[mild valley]

1 min is all i need baby

[echo stone]

what about Gui? is she stronger than her? Was about to pull her to test it out cuz my Gui is pretty strong af (Core+2 full build but still can't past Mordernia tho )

[winged verge]

Lemme try again

[granite garden]

Same guy testing it again but swap doro with liter

https://reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/s/ghJ04xZZfe

[merry yacht]

[winged verge]

Changed boots and lost damage cuz mob density when bursting.

[merry yacht]

So random

[granite garden]

41 second, how many full burst is this? 2 or 3?

[winged verge]

That should be two.

If not one

[pallid violet]

nah def 2

[winged verge]

I'm at 56 seconds from 1:30 after two bursts

[pallid violet]

for 40 sec

[winged verge]

So 34 seconds for 2

[granite garden]

If its three, probably 2B second nuke make her ahead of scarlet

[pallid violet]

for 3 burst i think u need around 42-46 sec minimum

[winged verge]

Next burst isn't till 47 seconds

So probably two

[solar briar]

Some very random “test”

[winged verge]

Oh, same idea

[granite garden]

Look like 2B is deep investment unit like alice and SW?

[winged verge]

Max Core S Anis, 10/10/10 tho

[merry yacht]

Here you go

No complaints

Full clear

GD

[summer wren]

nice

[winged verge]

Two bursts each?

[granite garden]

Dem

[mortal pebble]

She’s probably a unit that gets better the longer the fight is, currently the longest fight you’ll get is solo raid

[worthy cedar]

solo and union raids

does depend on the level but once you're at level 5+ most non whales aren't gonna be dealing 1B+

[winged verge]

Solo raid challenge mode is three minutes no matter what, so yeah, we're not getting longer than that

[mortal pebble]

If there are new contents that makes you fight a boss for more than 3 mins, thats where she’ll shine the most

[merry yacht]

Her burst is important

[midnight trellis]

I already MLBd

[merry yacht]

Because each level equals 2 second of basic attack

[arctic sluice]

[echo stone]

Should I spend all this on 2B? or A2 Might be more worthy?

[arctic sluice]

that wallpaper is to ptier

[merry yacht]

No

2B doesnt need lines

She wants crit

But its kinda gay

So no

Just get her body to 5

Head and shoes to 3

And leave

[mortal pebble]

Also, i guess for people that isnt oil baron, we potentially have another limited banner coming in form of anniversary

[desert furnace]

where HP OL

[pallid violet]

id imagine thats just a pilgrim not a limited

[granite garden]

Pls no, its going to broke noise on pvp again

[solar briar]

If only she has 13.65%

[winged verge]

Yeah, probably Pilgrim

So just save mileage if possible

[pallid violet]

i think shed be too busted if she has 13%

[winged verge]

Pilgrim 1% hurts

[amber gust]

why am I chasing Emil around the map just to shop

[pallid violet]

i got 1k tickets ready for aniv

[winged verge]

Crown Fund™️

[granite garden]

Watch they drop 2 sniper pilgrim at same time that need each other to work

[tender drum]

[pallid violet]

holy moly

[granite garden]

Are you sure thats ticket not your gem count?

[pallid violet]

lets not jinx things

[winged verge]

I've only ever used 1 mileage on Laplace when I was small boy and 1 for Modernia cuz my luck was garbage

[pallid violet]

i used 2 on doro but nothing else

[winged verge]

Quite sure

[granite garden]

Damn I use milagw to mlb modernia. No regret but dayumm i wish i have that much

[winged verge]

I regret not getting more Modernia dupes

[echo stone]

If possible rn I should give her 5-10-5 yes? then if want can go 10-10-10?

[gleaming raft]

Me and my puny 650 mileage tickets

[winged verge]

My alt has a 2/3 while my main account stuck at 0/3 forever

Snow White looking fine tho

Anyway, 2B is definitely strong

No doubt there

We're comparing her to Pilgrims rn while Power just sits over in her timeout corner

[echo stone]

What lv. skill is recommend? 5-10-5?

[opal gorge]

Mlb worth it?

[winged verge]

She needs burst, too, but A2 will need burst more

[upper harbor]

[winged verge]

Ultimately burst 10 probably necessary to see her true power

[pallid violet]

im pretty sure 1 copy is good enough unless u want background but i cant say for sure

[winged verge]

2/3 for max bond imo

[pallid violet]

maxing bond would be nice

[winged verge]

Anymore should only be for those willing to swipe that card

[merry yacht]

2B shoots for 172 seconds in a 3minute fight. Each level invested in her burst = 2s of her shooting.

[winged verge]

or those who want the lobby bg

[echo stone]

I think I can go around 5-10-8

should I?

[merry yacht]

Each level increases her total damage by 5%.

Of burst

[winged verge]

Unless you're struggling with the event battles, probably better to wait until next week

[merry yacht]

I want maxwell and sanis refund u dumb beech

[winged verge]

If A2 ends up busted, we'll want her with better investment first

[merry yacht]

My 2b would have been 5/10/10

And she will be the best 2b to ever exist

[merry yacht]

Both are busted

Trust

[winged verge]

I'm less convinced on A2 currently, but I'm keeping my mind open

Paper stats and practical stats often don't align well

[merry yacht]

I never rely on paper stats

[winged verge]

Mhm

[merry yacht]

I dont believe in excel sheet

I can tell if a unit is good just from the description

And A2 is good

[winged verge]

A2's numbers are low, but the explosion radius could be key to her strength.

cuz that ends up multiplicative

[merry yacht]

No

A2 number is not low

Its actually big

It just looks low

But its big

[winged verge]

The actual numbers written are low.

Burst says 15% ATK bonus vs 23.15% x 5 on Scarlet's S1

so monke brain says low ATK

[fading mirage]

My best route mlb both first then core 7 whoever better

[merry yacht]

?

Why attack

Attack is overrated

[winged verge]

Because monke brain stacks ATK

[merry yacht]

Multiplier isnt

Look at her multiplier

[winged verge]

Oh, I know. She's RL Alice

[merry yacht]

Shes worth 10 10 10

Maybe not the burst tbf

[winged verge]

Burst level would mainly need to be levelled in accordance with healing ability

If people have well invested healers, burst can probably be a little lower

[merry yacht]

I want to refund Guilty Maxwell SAnis asap.

So I can convert Maxwell burst levels to 2B.

And I convert SAnis burst to A2.

Problem solved.

Oh, yeah, Guilty S1 spread to 7, 7, 7, 7 everyone.

[jade sluice]

I remember sanis just dumped on scarlet and mod even without maxout investment, this is a bit of a gap

Campaign, not worth it

[merry yacht]

Youre not using her in the right team

Why even compare?

[jade sluice]

why they can use the same team

[merry yacht]

Cus one of them benefits more from MAX HP

[rough spindle]

any of you mlb'ing her? Damn shame I'm low on gems from mlbing Sanis

[jade sluice]

just general concensus

[merry yacht]

The rest doesnt

Lmao

All units except 2B benefit from atk buffs

2B benefits from max HP but not attack

[jade sluice]

ok let me copy yours

oh ok

[velvet snow]

Well

[pallid violet]

i did cause background meta

[jade sluice]

so she require a niche comp, sr unit then

[fading mirage]

I do. Gonna mlb both nier first then watch which one better for core and above

[velvet snow]

I think i finish here

[granite garden]

Damn i need mast

[vocal vigil]

MLB full OL

[velvet snow]

+1

[velvet snow]

Substat?

[jade sluice]

which stage is this?

[vocal vigil]

Gravedigger

[pallid violet]

queen dorothy doing the most

[vocal vigil]

They're all OL'd with decent to good rolls on every piece

[jade sluice]

can u run some campaign maps too @vocal vigil

i just want to know if she has a place there

[worldly willow]

Skill lvl on 2B?

[vocal vigil]

5/10/5

I've fully cleared campaigns already

and im 4 chapters behind on hardmode

but I can try later

[jade sluice]

ping me too please

[merry yacht]

Fun fact you can use frima instead

[jade sluice]

this man going to pull out all niche nikke to make 2b good

[merry yacht]

Its facts tho

[balmy sail]

If 2B is good even with at one copy, I'm all happy.

[pallid violet]

Replacing who?

[balmy sail]

What's a good team to do for 2B?
Also something that's relatively f2p friendly would be nice.

[jade sluice]

scroll up and look at Kisenix team, but they are very niche, f2p friendly there tho

[wraith lodge]

Is 2b worth getting dupes

[merry yacht]

Noise

[abstract hazel]

I'm going to try to run this

[merry yacht]

Forgot to give cube to 2B

[pallid violet]

I want to keep my noise

Shes got a nice skin

[merry yacht]

But time taken Noise wins

But this is Frima 1 1 1

[crimson night]

what if you just do volume for more CDR

and some other B3 support

[balmy sail]

Hmm, I have S.Anis, Modernia, MLB Volume. Sadly I do not have Mast.

Am I screwed then?

[sharp vapor]

Mast is a pretty big boost for 2B

[jade sluice]

u are fine, she wont replace anyone in campaign mode

just wait for someone to cook something in pvp with 2b, otherwise im only seeing her in SR

[balmy sail]

I guess I could save my wishes for a Mast Re-Run?

[crimson night]

she should be great in PvP, her burst seems like its better wiper than scarlet

and being a defender with fuck loads of HP, she can survive scarlet slash herself

[balmy sail]

I have like 150 golden tickets

[jade sluice]

i smell some biscuit going with it

[minor remnant]

Can you run 1 1 3 ?

[merry yacht]

Kek

[balmy sail]

What would be a decent alternative for Mast in a Volume, "Replacement for Mast", 2B, S.Anis, Modernia?

[merry yacht]

[crimson night]

why don't you just do Volume

[merry yacht]

None.

[jade sluice]

ok but wait, u are nerfing scarlet

[merry yacht]

Cannot

[crimson night]

why

[fading mirage]

Feels like dev putting skill first then tried. Oh shit too op and nerf her basic lmao

[balmy sail]

So I'm fucked?

[echo stone]

2B 5-9-7 OL chest 5 shoes 5 others 0 49.32% crit dmg - Elemental 47.12 - hit rate 11.81 (Mast, Noise and Volume Skill on my acc are sh*t tho... none of them are above 5 😩 (Mast are 1-1-1 cuz I ran out of skill card....) )

[merry yacht]

How so

[pallid violet]

40sec

[jade sluice]

cuz she not benefit from max hp up?

[crimson night]

what?

Volume?

thats not correct

she's 20s

[pallid violet]

Sorry

Thought u said noise

Its late

[crimson night]

same squad lol

[jade sluice]

how about putting them in the team that they can both shine, cuz all these testing gd so far, its either benefit scar OR 2b, there is no fair ground

[sharp vapor]

I think the best you can do if no Mast is Quency. Otherwise you're screwed.

[zinc cloak]

Do you need to invest on mast or 1 1 1 is okay

[balmy sail]

Isn't there anyone else?
I have Rupee/Dolla

[crimson night]

I think Volume, Mast, 2B would be the core, not sure why we keep testing with other B1s when having two more B3s will probably be more team dps. Would love to be proven wrong though

[sharp vapor]

I don't have Volume so I'm just using Dorothy

[winged verge]

These tests are just for figuring out max personal DPS potential

[balmy sail]

Oh wait, will Dorothy work for B1 too?

I do have a Dorothy

[pallid violet]

Its good to use someone who can make use of mast id say, otherwise might as well buff 2b more

[crimson night]

seems like not a great premise to me, since she won't be in a team by herself

[merry yacht]

The "no Noise" variant:

[balmy sail]

AHH, so if I can get Quency she should do fine till I get a Mast?

[winged verge]

It matters when looking for units that will support her best tho

[merry yacht]

Oh yes cus thats electric boss

[winged verge]

Right now the biggest issue with B3s is that we don't have any HP-buffing B3s tmk

[merry yacht]

Also dont use Volume

[pallid violet]

Whats your mast skill btw

[merry yacht]

535

[echo stone]

Will there be a chance that they buff her like Sneon? Or none cuz she's not that bad?👁️👄👁️

[winged verge]

lol no

[primal cosmos]

Sneon

[pallid violet]

Why would they buff her

[winged verge]

2B easily better than half of the B3s in the game

[sharp vapor]

Yes but unless you are a 2B stan or you really like Quency's badonkers (me) you might be better off just fishing for Mast.

[crimson night]

"not that bad"

[winged verge]

S Neon was literally garbage

(and still isn't great aside from being an MG)

[echo stone]

I mean her basic attack I want it up a bit more 😭

[balmy sail]

Lucky, since I had Quency on my radar for a while, but I was kinda lazy. Now I guess I have another reason to rush getting her out.

[winged verge]

Yeah, I figured she'd have low basic attack ratio, but I was assuming SMG levels

They made it even lower

[crimson night]

she doesn't need a higher base attack, if they give her a normal base attack she will break the game

[balmy sail]

Also Quency does have some nice milkers

[winged verge]

90 ammo plus her ATK scaling meant there was no way we were getting 13-14%

[pliant gull]

Quick guys, how is she. Is she a monster?

[winged verge]

Yes. Let her loose and she'll eat all of your skill mats and gear exp

[pliant gull]

fo real? based

[crimson night]

Pilgrim level for sure

[jade sluice]

harran level

[sharp vapor]

So you're also a believer.

Then yeah, you can go for Quency as an alternative option. As a positive she also synergizes with S.Anis.

[jade sluice]

[proven mason]

On Volume-Mast-2B-Scar-Noise team, which one yield higher damage, Always using volume, or alternate between noise-volume to maximize 2B buff?
But doing the alternate might hurt scarlet 50% HP threshold

[winged verge]

If she were bad, we'd be comparing her to Power, not Pilgrims

[merry yacht]

The I dont have Noise variant

Just do u know

Rapunzel

Gives max hp permanently

[balmy sail]

I'm a Anis (as a whole) devout follower, so the fact she runs perfectly with my Waifu is set.

I shall pursue to break those mommy milkers out of prison.

[echo stone]

Why Scarlet doing less and less dmg

[opal gorge]

I'm seriously thinking if i should mlb

[smoky harbor]

I still can argue that the team comp dont suit scarlet though, but that seems ok

[jade sluice]

thats what i think too

[carmine violet]

But that's what you do in the content that requires the most dmg, you build a team around the dmg dealers

[jade sluice]

its just not good to compare these 2

[kind jetty]

Isn’t your scarlet just bad

[worldly willow]

I feel like that will always be the case when using 2B till we have another burst3 that plays off max hp or just supports 2B

[winged verge]

Ideally, comparing 2B and Scarlet in different teams (that support them best) against the same boss would be the truest testing, yeah

[smoky harbor]

In case of s anis i think we can do 0 reload team and put scarlet and privati inside and do s anis and scarlet comparison

[sick tapir]

Oh wow she's that strong?

[smoky harbor]

While on this 2b i dont think we can do that kind of well build team damage comparison

[raw snow]

atk% buffs doesn't boost the atk she recieves from hp right?

[jade sluice]

the dorothy noir blanc variance is fine as test, the noir only benefit scar so a bit, but also help 2b

anything else just too big, liter too big

[smoky harbor]

Not saying she is bad unit though.. for whale it is easy mlb

But for +7 Unless u are leviathan then meh

With a2 on the line also why spend now

[winged verge]

The point more is that proper testing would be giving Scarlet as much power as possible

[merry yacht]

Huh why?

[winged verge]

Rather than sticking her into a team that doesn't benefit her.

[merry yacht]

Mast always makes sure Scar burst at below 50% HP

Are u trolling?

[jade sluice]

but u cant test it unless u invest heavy into those HP up units, which not or no one does

[crimson night]

what about using Burst time reducers like Vesti or Isabel to get her to full stacks faster?

[smoky harbor]

No 0 reload

[crimson night]

besides the fact that theyre all kinda bad

[smoky harbor]

So not maxing potential

[winged verge]

If people haven't invested into Noise, Rapunzel, and Mast, there's something wrong

[merry yacht]

Huh

[smoky harbor]

Thats my opinion

[merry yacht]

The 0 reload goes to Guillotine

Guillotine 0 reload comp

[jade sluice]

welp does noise has max hp up skill like Liter? prolly not, Rapun, they keep it at 444 or 777 , unless pvp-er which i can count on my fingers

[crimson night]

well Mast I would argue was really a mid choice to invest in until literally now

[winged verge]

Noise burst literally increasing MAX HP...

[versed adder]

🧢

Mast been good

[jade sluice]

u have it level 10 like Liter?

[versed adder]

Y'all didn't believe

[pallid violet]

U can look it up before typing this u know ahaha

[winged verge]

I have it at 7

[jade sluice]

ok not fair then

not lv10

[versed adder]

Yes btw

[winged verge]

I didn't have Liter's burst at 10 until a month ago

[raw snow]

so this means that atk% buffs are better than hp% buffs assuming both buffs give equal %

[winged verge]

I'm a heavy spender, but I'm no leviathan

[crimson night]

sure, but there are just a lot of units now to compare with

[versed adder]

Other way around

[raw snow]

why would it be other way around

[winged verge]

They don't give equal %

[raw snow]

thats why i said assuming

[cyan quiver]

HP is very huge even at low multipliers

[raw snow]

if liter gives 60% atk, and some other unit gives 60% hp, the atk one is better

[smoky harbor]

To put it clear, if u want to do fair comparison:

1. Evaluate both scarlet and 2b as a single unit (which cant be done unless on paper)
2. Evaluate both unit in their best possible team comp available (put scarlet in her best team comp and 2b in her best team comp)
   Thats imo though, so i still dont convinced that 2b is that op

[versed adder]

She converts HP to attack

[raw snow]

holy fuck did any of you guys read my question

[versed adder]

60% HP doesn't translate to 60% attack it's much higher

[cyan quiver]

Ye

[versed adder]

Attack buffs don't increase the attack to HP conversion

[versed adder]

It's written pretty clearly

[raw snow]

you said both yes and no

so which is it?

[onyx crest]

no

imagine

she'd be fucking nuts

[winged verge]

Her HP to ATK conversion is only affected by skill level

[versed adder]

^^

[onyx crest]

all those buffs apply to base values

[raw snow]

that was my impression

til that dude lied outta his ass

[winged verge]

So ATK buffs are going to affect her base ATK (which is bad)

while HP buffs are going to inflate her already high base HP, fueling the S2

[raw snow]

so im guessing OL doesnt affect her performance that much

cuz nothing boosts hp

and crits are kinda ass

[winged verge]

HP buffs from OL levels will help

but otherwise, yeah, she doesn't benefit much from OL subs

[split jackal]

So now that we have 2B

[raw snow]

yeah the subs dont do shit

[split jackal]

How is she so far?

[winged verge]

Max Ammo will help for S2 procs, and Element is element

Crit would be best otherwise, but it's more memey than anything

[raw snow]

too bad rn i dont have any abnormal defender gear. but i have insane amounts of abnormal atk and support gear

smh

[onyx crest]

2b's a character for raids like so many others

campaign team unchanged

[winged verge]

A2 will benefit from OLs much more

[raw snow]

idk why max ammo would even matter. its an AR. she should reload fast

[winged verge]

Less reload = more procs

[gleaming raft]

Padding that skill, thats basically it

[split jackal]

Triggers bastion more often

[winged verge]

Negligable difference, but a difference nonetheless if min-maxing

[onyx crest]

her reload is 1s

[split jackal]

[versed adder]

Crit and Elemental OL seem like the only stat worth picking up on OL tbh

[raw snow]

is it just me or is her jiggle weaker than rapi

[onyx crest]

i imagine hit rate vs core and atk% still better

[gleaming raft]

Yeah, but the view in general

[versed adder]

Hit rate??

[winged verge]

The S2 proc will deal like 300k per hit at level 400 I think? So yeah, Max Ammo is eh

[onyx crest]

she needs to hit cores

ar

[winged verge]

Ah yeah, derp

Hit Rate would be more influential for bosses like Storm Bringer

[split jackal]

Important thing is

[raw snow]

idk why but the 60$ skin jiggle looks stronger. prolly due to the cloth swaying

[split jackal]

Playing with one hand cool

[versed adder]

true but I'd prioritize Elemental over

Since she doesn't attack or ammo there's room for the rest anyways

[bitter marsh]

What's the verdict on 2b

[versed adder]

One day SI will remember to add HP ol

[merry yacht]

?

No

Wtf

Who says that

[raw snow]

this has been solved, nobody cares what u say

begone

[merry yacht]

Wow okay

[balmy prawn]

LOL

[merry yacht]

Summoning the mod

[raw jacinth]

Niche

[bitter marsh]

Yea I figured, the burst being distributed dmg so buns

[versed adder]

Oiii what happened to 2B top tier DPS

[raw snow]

shes still strong

[versed adder]

What changed

[raw snow]

in single target

[raw jacinth]

More like the fact that you gotta burst 3 times to get the most out of s1

[merry yacht]

She is top tier dps

Wdym

[cyan quiver]

How niche? can she outdps a scarlet team? Cuz from wut I'm seeing she usually compared to her

[winged verge]

Her damage is crazy good for a Defender

[versed adder]

Then how she is niche?

[merry yacht]

I never say she is niche

[raw snow]

but shes not a defender. whos she defending?

[dim maple]

I mean the fact she's being compared to Scarlet speaks for itself

[raw snow]

[raw jacinth]

She gotta warm up which means there are better option in most content

[versed adder]

yeah I'm not referring to you

Jdak said she's niche

[balmy sail]

Can someone test this team for me?

Dorothy (If not her, Volume)
Quency
2B
S.Anis
Modernia

If you'd be so kind please? I'd like to have an idea of what can I expect from both 2B and S.Anis from having Quency instead of Mast. In the mean time I'll fish for Mast.

[raw snow]

i got 600 golden tickets but i wanna spend my 30k gems instead just to see how high i can get the ticket counter

[winged verge]

Stat-wise she is

[jade sluice]

4/10/8 2b 4OL lv0 all, i think this is more fair?

[versed adder]

I might have to mileage her and A2

[raw jacinth]

Ya I'm calling it even tho I'm not a tester

[versed adder]

Based asf

[smoky harbor]

So decent eh

[merry yacht]

Stop making some random ass teams

[raw snow]

50 pull, we take those

[dim maple]

I'd say it's somewhat like rupee's level with a higher skill ceiling

[jade sluice]

dude fair and square what u want more lmao

[winged verge]

I wouldn't argue her to be top tier tho for one big reason

[split jackal]

Lets say she's like an old lawnmower

U have to keep

[winged verge]

She can't utitilze a damage taken % up buff unless the target is Electric

[split jackal]

Pulling to turn it on

[merry yacht]

You cant test fair and square

[split jackal]

But once it turns on

[merry yacht]

Thats it

[winged verge]

since she's tied to Mast

[raw snow]

nevermind i lied

[merry yacht]

U never cant

[jade sluice]

but u still did lmao

[split jackal]

She becomes really good

Just takes a long time

[raw snow]

i didn't get her in 50

i got her at 45 and 50

[jade sluice]

but eyyo thats not random ass team, noah dorothy blanc best combination for auto SI

[merry yacht]

That was one of her best teams

[kind jetty]

7/8/7 scarlet and 2B core 4

[merry yacht]

But it makes sense

[rough spindle]

so whats the verdict guys? does her hp-attack buff offset her low attack %?

[jade sluice]

welp too bad its not fair for scarlet

[merry yacht]

?

Its fair

Volume Mast Scar was Scar's 2nd best team

[winged verge]

Scarlet will deal more damage with bunnies

[pallid violet]

Where did noah even appear from

[versed adder]

Mast Rerun when

[winged verge]

cuz Blanc's burst > Mast's.

[merry yacht]

Alice and A2 will be used with vunnies now

[versed adder]

Who's still running scar with bunnies though