[2B] New Unit Megathread

[onyx crest]

yeah wanted to say no

[fresh heron]

[onyx crest]

additional damage is the exception to jackal's rule

[fresh heron]

it's okay

literally excluded 50% of skills

but still okay

[onyx crest]

for pve

is there any good reason for her to be a defender?

from what i can tell it just gimps her atk and that's it

[rough spindle]

her skill 2

scales on her hp

so being a defender makes sense, this should ideally gives her huge boost in attack value as well

of course, it remains to be seen how good this synergy is

[onyx crest]

how is that calculated

isn't it based on % health?

i don't understand the math yet

[fresh heron]

based on fix number of max hp

if you have 1m hp, you have 61600 ATK

[vocal vigil]

Take whatever current max HP 2B has(buffs or not) and multiply it with 0.0616

et voila, there's your attack bonus

[fresh heron]

if you gain upto 2m hp, you now have 120k

also

the number can be changed last minute during MT too

[sharp vapor]

Ideally her s2 would give her atk on par to an attacker at base hp.

[clear forge]

@fresh heron make the chart for 6% now

[fresh heron]

imagine waking up to see 10%

[vocal vigil]

We'll see

[clear forge]

Cuz it's 6%

[fresh heron]

already

[west forge]

do we know about 2b's damage per bullet?

[fresh heron]

lowest among meta if you can invest on everyone

still 2x more than Rupee or Guilty

she's the 8th meta dps now if you want to invest on her

[clear forge]

Nice

[vocal vigil]

[fresh heron]

🚯

[onyx crest]

fuck

how much of an HP% buff does she need

[true gorge]

What happened?

[west forge]

lol

5.99% damage per bullet

[onyx crest]

her own 57% isn't enough? shiiit she isn't getting more from other characters either

[pallid violet]

isnt it 87%

[true gorge]

So 2b isnt good after all?
Noooo

[pallid violet]

on third brst

says previous effects trigger repeatedly

[onyx crest]

it all adds up?

[real egret]

yes

[clear forge]

Why is the scaling so so bad

[onyx crest]

i thought max hp couldn't stack but i guess this is different

[desert furnace]

low dmg multiplier

[fresh heron]

I use Rupee structure

low reload time

high ammo base (90)

[true gorge]

I'm contemplating
Just saving for anniv

8th meta is not good

[fresh heron]

ammo doesn't give her anything because she has so high uptime

[real egret]

there aren't any OL lines she can use

only crits maybe

[hollow hull]

Does 2B needs to babysit by a healer to maintain HP and DPS?

[ember chasm]

i'd assume this is the case because
the first hit consumed the stacks first

maybe jackal can still work

[fading mirage]

What you need max hp not current hp itself

[onyx crest]

jackal's been weird since launch would retest after every nikke lol

official skill description too pepega

[real egret]

jackal helm 2b team

[hollow hull]

hmm, so Mast is the best partner for her?

[fading mirage]

Yes

[sharp vapor]

Gives Max HP and Crit. Both of which 2B prefers.

[ember chasm]

mast stonks going up

every unit release

https://tenor.com/view/im-your-treasure-box-houshou-marine-treasure-box-ahoy-senchou-gif-26351019

[hollow hull]

at least i didn't waste resources on Mast.

Hmm, mast/2B/S Anis

Liter and Privaty

[onyx crest]

how is guillotine calculated? is that her ideal circomstance? i didn't know she was up there with the others

guillotine second place wtf

[fresh heron]

20% hp left

which will be achieve after 40s shooting

[real egret]

her bonus maxed out at 20% hp remaining? booo

[fresh heron]

no

max at 1%

but it takes so long to reach 1%

I nerf her by only using 20% max hp

[hollow hull]

good luck survive with 1%

[fresh heron]

land eater

I'm fine

[onyx crest]

noise as a support can tank all hits on some bosses

sometimes nice for raids

[true gorge]

So
2b still top 3 or nah? 👀

Or needs real game testing?

[onyx crest]

if you have no OL

yeah she's so good

very beginner friendly character

[true gorge]

Ew

[fresh heron]

nice raoul

you get the concept fast

[true gorge]

Wdym "beginner friendly"

[fresh heron]

the number doesn't matter, position matters though. Without any investment, 2B is the strongest DPS

[true gorge]

As in she doesn't get better with OL?

[fresh heron]

yep

sadly

[desert furnace]

i'll prob try her out on GD tmrw

[fresh heron]

she scales like shit

UNLESS

[onyx crest]

UNLESS?

[fresh heron]

they release hp increases option

[true gorge]

But how
Even crow scales well with ol💀

[onyx crest]

[fresh heron]

because def is so trash bro

[sturdy laurel]

ele damage not bad, but that's really it

[fresh heron]

[desert furnace]

she gets so much atk from her skill that atk lines dont have much impact innit

[onyx crest]

max ammo also not really fantastic

compared to other characters

[true gorge]

Ok where would you place her
With the meta unita

If scarlet 1st,mod 2nd?

Everyone max OL

[onyx crest]

ppl said 8th best

[true gorge]

Oh my gosh bruh

I'm gonna cry

[desert furnace]

tbh if i OL her, it's gonna be for the extra HP i get from it

[true gorge]

Was so hype

[onyx crest]

turn to a2 more interesting kit

[fresh heron]

oh

hmmm

HMMM

[true gorge]

Lowkey regret not pulling for S helm

But it's alright atleast her 2nd skin is nice

[onyx crest]

if maxhp stacks then she could do more idk if it does with her s1 though

i was under the impression that different max hp skills didn't stack

[desert furnace]

max ammo not as impactful due to the low dmg multiplier per bullet huh

[fresh heron]

hey this is hilarious

[hollow hull]

yeah for beginner join in during September

[fresh heron]

with Mast as B2 and Noise as 2nd B1. 2B can scale pretty well

[true gorge]

8th is crazy though, not overreacting?

I don't even know 8 good nikke

[fresh heron]

like, top 3 I don't know

current top 7

[onyx crest]

this is stand alone

teams can change it all

[fresh heron]

Mod, Guillotine, Snow White, Alice, Scarlet, Maxwell, Anis

[true gorge]

I guess

But bunnydernia
Ass scarlet

Is too good

[hollow hull]

best team: Liter/Mast/2B/S Anis/Scarlet
S anis must have lv 9 burst, or else she need Privaty to babysit

[desert furnace]

hm

[fresh heron]

Scar?

ewww

[onyx crest]

idk about using sanis with 2b

[hollow hull]

S Anis buff both Mast and Scar

[onyx crest]

feels like a waste of sanis buff

[desert furnace]

looks like volume mast noise gaming

[fresh heron]

actually

you are onto something

let me think a bit

[hollow hull]

Mast deal good dps with S Anis buff

[fresh heron]

Liter feels kinda wasted

[onyx crest]

volume mast noise 2b and a second b3

[hollow hull]

5 cycles of burst for 2B to max stacks

[onyx crest]

guillotine maybe

and then sanis privaty scarlet

solving 'both sides'

guillotine gets her low health with noise tanking and 2b gets the max hp

works out very well

then guillotine doesn't have to fight for a spot with sanis anymore

[hollow hull]

imagine new enemy can pierce shield HP

[fresh heron]

new?

doesn't it exist now?

[onyx crest]

just shoot a beam twice 1 on shield and 1 on nikke

[fresh heron]

with literally effect

"pierce"

dmg both nikke and cover

but if you have shield, and covering

[onyx crest]

chatterbox can fuck you

[split pagoda]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[fresh heron]

it dmg cover and shield only

[onyx crest]

chatterbox has that dumb attack that will kill all if you murder its head

idk who else

like an easy team could be

volume mast 2b guillotine noise (burst with her for 2b)
dorothy (survival b2) sanis scarlet privaty

under the assumption that 2b is meta with mast + noise buffing her

[sharp vapor]

I feel like if you're gonna build around 2b and Mast, you might as well make a crit team. Mast providing her hp buff is already huge.

[versed adder]

Finally Guillotine had a home

Yeah Since 2B doesn't gain much from attack or ammo buffs it either comes down to crit or damage % for her

And I don't think anyone has room to slot her with Novel or Blank

So crit the next best option

[cedar gate]

damn thats almost a straight line lol

actually what are the numbers for the left and bottom?

[fresh heron]

left = dmg. Just mean to rank them

bottom = % ammo increase from OL

start from 0 to 300%

Mod and Guillo gain the most from ammo (applied to all MG)

[merry yacht]

Doesnt work

Burst too slow

[true gorge]

The real question is where you'll use that team

SR?

[merry yacht]

Guillotine will be moved

[cedar gate]

ah so the left side is like their base dmg and bottom is the number dmg they get once they get Ammo i see

damn nothing for 2B at all huh

well theres something but boi thats a sraight line

[onyx crest]

noise could fast shoot

that's what i did during last sr train

[merry yacht]

Ok try that againat blacksmith

[onyx crest]

campaign is full as fuck and abnormal has no tower

either pvp or raid

[true gorge]

True
2b value goes up alot if there is abnormal tower

But I don't think her kit is good enough for pvp

[onyx crest]

defender dps AR is very nice on attack stall

[cedar gate]

i think abnormal tower should just give a universal spareparts for SSR or SR

the real 50/50 gamble

[onyx crest]

with a few max ammo and biscuit she will tank anything except the aoe wipe (scar jack)

[pallid violet]

Doesnt 2b still benefit from OL tho? It still increases ho from stats

Hp*

[onyx crest]

yeah but doesn't scale

or well it should scale a bit with HP%

[pallid violet]

Scale with what, level?

What are we trying to scale im not sure what u mean

[onyx crest]

i meant there's diminishing returns that the flat numbers are better at lower levels but end up being insignificant at higher levels

[pallid violet]

Fair yep

[onyx crest]

but you are still right some piece give HP that in turn is an increase to 2b's damage

[cedar gate]

that means if your not planning to go crit just overload with 1 module

[random sleet]

does anyone have dmg formula as spreadsheet?

[echo stone]

So this is finale? Or do we still need test cuz this is just on paper?

[fresh heron]

on paper because man, we don't even know after MT, the modifier is 6%

but with same investment (OL, skill level), the ranking should go like that

team buff matters too

just so you know

[echo stone]

Asked on the datamine chanel and they said it's straight up 6%

[fresh heron]

I know

but during MT

they can change to live server

that'll be something else though

[echo stone]

Ohh so like a fake data to trick dataminer?👁️👄👁️

I hope it be so then

[echo stone]

Can I get a list on this tho? Who are they from 1-7?

[thin monolith]

they won't change it during MT most likely. Makes little sense and would only trigger redownoad 🙂

[fresh heron]

I think it's server based number

[fresh heron]

it varies from team buff too, but the other 7 sins are

• Anis
• Scar
• Mod (strongest single target dps)
• Alice (strongest single target dps if you "fast click" and boss has parts)
• Snow White
• Guillotine (good luck keeping her survive)
• Maxwell

[echo stone]

Thx

[onyx crest]

anis is meta DPS? mmmh

well last time i saw biscuit as a meta DPS

[fresh heron]

that's wild

for sure

[onyx crest]

that meme build was actually used by someone in raid

[fresh heron]

[onyx crest]

sanis biscuit

was probably train specific hitting multiple parts

[cedar gate]

hmmm

anis be eating that 50% attack buf for supporter

[fresh heron]

dayum

[cedar gate]

i keep forgeting biscuit has a big attack buff for supporter units

tho sadly its under a 40s CD

[fresh heron]

yeah, giving 2B a Mast and Noise

She will be literally in the middle of meta dps

[onyx crest]

not too impressive

but still did dmg

1.9b was the highest sanis team with

[fresh heron]

I give Scar, Mod, Guillo, Anis 40% atk from Liter burst (80% over 5s ~ 40% over 10s)
Then I convert hp from Mast and Noise to give 2B
This is where 2B will be on ammo scaling

higher than Max, Anis and Snow White (Anis doesn't scale with ammo at all so she's flat)

[onyx crest]

huh 4th best?

[fresh heron]

actually should be 5th

because I didn't show Alice

[onyx crest]

is this mald max crit snow white?

[fresh heron]

nope, use base version

[onyx crest]

or like average output

alright

[fresh heron]

15% crit chance 150% crit dmg. Did take account of her burst dmg too

same with Maxwell

[mild valley]

so is 2b gonna be good or no?

[fresh heron]

I don't know, if you don't have Anis, can definitely go for her

you replace a limited meta dps

with a limited meta dps

[mild valley]

i have anis

[fresh heron]

oh

1 copy and gtfo

or

3 copies for that screen

[mild valley]

i dont care for screens

[fresh heron]

bro pls

look at dat ass

[mild valley]

im all about gameplay

[onyx crest]

i'm barely done with just alice and still need to invest into all my other b3

[mild valley]

im not playing this game for ASS

[onyx crest]

that takes such a long time

in the meantime 2b will do just fine for me

i imagine for the top whales 2b gets replaced so much sooner

[merry yacht]

2B damage is focused on burst

[mild valley]

but her attack is gonna be insane no?

[merry yacht]

So her damage > Alice in right team

Im seeing Mast

You can run

Volume Mast x 2B Noise

[fresh heron]

her burst is like 40% total dmg. 60% from shooting with meme 6% bullet

[merry yacht]

When 2B rotation

Use Noise + Mast

[echo stone]

Why I don't see anyone talking about Quency? Is she not good with 2B?

[fresh heron]

sr, I don't even remember her kit

[sharp vapor]

Mast is way better

[merry yacht]

Quency is okay too

[fresh heron]

quency is budget Mast

which is okay

[sharp vapor]

Speaking of wasn't it mathed out that quency is better in a s.Anis team?

[onyx crest]

will this actually buff 2b? who has defender atk stats

[merry yacht]

Quency better

So u can save Mast fot Guillo

[true gorge]

Everyone who got guilty instead 👀

[sharp vapor]

So if you have Quency for S.Anis it works out well for 2b's team.

[merry yacht]

But if u want dmg just go with Mast

[echo stone]

Why do I always see you two talking controversial things 🤣

[fresh heron]

Mast gives 3x more atk than Quency in average

the more you know

from HP alone

I haven't even count def reduction, crit

[onyx crest]

back to the shadow realms quency nobody likes you

[merry yacht]

Volume Mast Maiden/Scar 2B Noise im telling u

[onyx crest]

again maiden?

[merry yacht]

Yes

Cus crit dmg

Scar best

[echo stone]

I just got another copy of Mast this evening. might consider rebuilding her. (I reset her skill earlier cuz I watch some YouTube review and she only increase dmg of dps by 4% )

[fresh heron]

bro pls

[onyx crest]

mast is in the second best team for raids last time

[fresh heron]

[onyx crest]

second best b2

bunnies best b2 of course

[fresh heron]

even better than Novel?

is she Fiction?

[onyx crest]

solo raid

[versed adder]

The anti mast propaganda is crazy

[onyx crest]

not union raid

yeah mast was second best

[fresh heron]

this time Helm will take it

[onyx crest]

mast had the type advantage too could have swayed it into her favor

for whales who are so sick they max OL advantage type

on a b2

[clear forge]

Why would you do this to me

I didn't need to know this

[ember chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/houshou-marine-houshou-marine-senchou-hololive-gif-22667368

[merry yacht]

Liter Blanc Alice Noir A2
Volume Mast/Novel Scarlet 2B Noise
Dorothy Diesel/Makima/Sin/Mast/Novel SAnis Guillotine Privaty
Miranda Dolla Maxwell Helm Modernia
Pepper Guilty Maiden Drake SHelm

[clear forge]

[clear forge]

Liter blanc Alice noir modernia
Liter blanc Alice noir modernia
Liter blanc Alice noir modernia
Liter blanc Alice noir modernia
Liter blanc Alice noir modernia

[onyx crest]

i like that

[merry yacht]

Stfu

[echo stone]

Mast burst that affect the 2 highest atk unit won't have any problem with 2B right? Since S2 of 2B Activate at the start so it automatically make her the highest ATK in the team yes?

[merry yacht]

Remember

U don't need Mast with 2B

You just need Noise

[clear forge]

Scarlet and 2B will be the highest atk in the team suggested by coach

[merry yacht]

Just use Noise

When 2B bursts

Problem solved

[onyx crest]

you can alternate noise and 2b bursts as both have 40scd

but we can kick noise off

gtfo noise

and use mast

[merry yacht]

No

We use Novel

Fuck i

U

[onyx crest]

fuck i?

[merry yacht]

Novel is more insane

Just imagine

Rather than Mast buffing a 180% HP buff into 241%

Wouldnt multiplying 180% with * 67.5% be better?

301.5% by the way

Novel is better

Just pair with Noise for best timing

Its a worldwide nuke

[clear forge]

Damn you're right

But. Diesel makima sin mast for team 3?

[merry yacht]

Mast probably disappears

[onyx crest]

Miranda Dolla Maxwell Helm Modernia

wtf are you doing to my girl modernia

[clear forge]

Buffing her with miranda

[merry yacht]

Nothing

[onyx crest]

all the way down there with the last place finishers

[merry yacht]

She dealt 800m last raid alone

Stfu

And that wasnt with Maxwell

That was with Drake

The idea is the same

[clear forge]

You'll be resetting Maxwell burst right?

[merry yacht]

Maxwell and Helm swap spam

[merry yacht]

Seeing A2 and 2B

[clear forge]

Yeah, good

[merry yacht]

Im resetting Max and sanis

Both

[clear forge]

Damn

[merry yacht]

Maybe not Max tbh

[clear forge]

I keep anis for PvP

[merry yacht]

Idk

Ill keep Max at 9

I think

[versed adder]

Kise speed running all the nikkes reset

[merry yacht]

A2 isnt that burst reliant

2B is

[onyx crest]

she needs to burst herself for that s1 right?

fucking 120 seconds

it better be worth it

[cedar gate]

damn 3gb on phone atm

the download

[fresh heron]

120s what

normally it takes around 60s though with CDR

[fresh heron]

[onyx crest]

1time 2time 3time

[fresh heron]

I know

[onyx crest]

well true

the first one is free

and then you just burst twice more

[fresh heron]

first burst after 4s
next burst after 35s
third burst after 25s

around this

60 ~ 65s

[onyx crest]

so fast

[fresh heron]

btw that's Liter Mod Scar Bunnies team

all average to trash burst gen

use Skyj vid as reference

[cedar gate]

And now we wait

[fresh heron]

now I sleep

bless me with 13.65% tmr

[onyx crest]

it looks like 2b's skill priority is EVERYTHING

i have nothing

maybe burst is the easiest one to skip vs single target

[jade sluice]

I come for quick answer: mlb or c7?

[cedar monolith]

yes

[onyx crest]

she's looking like an mlb

1/4th of an mlb

[clear forge]

Mlb perhaps

From what I understand she's the 8th best.

Which means shes easy to surpass in the future

[arctic sluice]

1 copy will do just fine for me

[versed adder]

One copy gang

Nikke that require close to no investment to do big pp sounds like a massive steal for SR

[real egret]

if anything you want 2B to be as many LB as possible
because good OL lines can't carry her dps

[wheat aurora]

huh

[onyx crest]

you always want your dps core 7

why not

unless the kit is something like 'uses another character's ATK as base ATK' lol

[raw jacinth]

Don't say that

One copy is enough

[balmy prawn]

SU on their way to create back to back bait banners to drain your tix, gems, and pity right before the ultimate powercreep nikke on anni

[pallid violet]

One copy is fine obv more is better as always but shes not gonna be unusable just because she has a bit lower hp

[versed adder]

Man the fact that Im not even done with investing in Anis, and Nier is already here

Then anniversary

I think I'll settle for lower levels on skills it's becoming unrealistic to max everything, especially the burst heavy Nikkes

As for how I even plan to get all these nikkes

[raw jacinth]

Powercreep baby

[onyx crest]

anniversary is like 2 full months away

that is fine

just hope that between nier and anniversary there isn't something that you must pull too

like the bunnies

then you are in trouble

[versed adder]

Anniversary is 1 month

[onyx crest]

september

october

[raw jacinth]

It's early Nov so 2 months

[onyx crest]

november

wdym 1 month

[versed adder]

Ahhh shit October is a thing

[arctic sluice]

halloween event

[versed adder]

Please yes

[onyx crest]

witch outfits

[versed adder]

Witch Crow

[arctic sluice]

i'll buy it

[versed adder]

Same

[raw jacinth]

Excuse to dress slutty holiday😆

[arctic sluice]

aniversary then straight after that xmas new year event

[versed adder]

I'll fork out money for that

[arctic sluice]

oof this last quarter of hte year will be rough

[onyx crest]

it would be sick to have it back to back

summer > collab > halloween > anniversary > winter

non stop pulls

[versed adder]

New year banner

Then valentine's limited

Saint Patrick's limited

Easter limited

[onyx crest]

don't forget pride month

[raw jacinth]

Ya...no one care about those minor holidays

[versed adder]

Idk I think Easter and Valentine's are pretty big

[raw jacinth]

Or else we also going to have to slip in rupees black Friday holiday

[versed adder]

Though spamming limiteds probably not something they wanna do

Maybe when EoS is near

[onyx crest]

i'm doubting the whole halloween hype

maybe we get just an outfit to buy at best

[versed adder]

Yeah I doubt we get Halloween limiteds

As cool as it would be

Though Halloween sounds bigger than summer to me if we just talking holidays

[sharp vapor]

I can't even remember the last time I celebrated Halloween

[clear forge]

https://nikke.gg/2b-early-thoughts/

Early thots by nikke.gg here

Pascal thots where

Sjay discrimination against SRs again

[balmy prawn]

Sim6 coming soon trust

[raw jacinth]

Summer isn't a holiday tho

It's a season and many gacha make a seasonal theme with it

[clear forge]

@ember chasm

Fix

Fast

I'll remove the evidence

[versed adder]

True True

[ember chasm]

i did

someone else

also mentioned it

real fast topo

bless my readers

[versed adder]

No mention of novel as potential buffer?

[onyx crest]

this man copies homework

[versed adder]

Work smarter not harder

[versed adder]

IG Winter/Christmas would fall under the same ball park

Just that the season happens to line up with a major holiday

[raw jacinth]

Yep, and xrupee was in the winter event. Even tho she has Christmas jewelery

[versed adder]

Gotta target as many potential customers as possible

[ember chasm]

huh
how am i discriminating

SR

[versed adder]

[jade sluice]

Damn so 2b good in pvp too, too bad i have no opponent so hibernate till champion

[onyx crest]

i think she's scarlet at home

would rather use sanis

[clear forge]

Do I look like I wrote it

[versed adder]

you're the middle man for TC here

[clear forge]

@ember chasm did you run numbers for 2bich in PvP

[ember chasm]

Yes

It's based on My feelings

[arctic sluice]

[onyx crest]

Okey i understand
2B 3* with skin

in the earliest pascal video 2b had 40? ammo

now 2b has 80 ammo

i suspect they reduced the dmg per bullet

to prevent her from scaling too hard with max ammo

[solemn jacinth]

is that a comedy
what movie is that from

[sacred vapor]

whose gonna tell him

[ruby mirage]

if 2b can replace scarlet in pvp maybe i can actually start trying

[solemn jacinth]

i'm banking 2B will be a subpar scarlet,
measures up during burst but otherwise tanky

[arctic sluice]

since 2b is really just a burst bot

should'nt we be comparing her more to snow white than scarlet

[dire locust]

prob

and 2b burst does not core hit, pierce, etc.

DEAD!

[raw jacinth]

2b in pvp? Doesn't 2b need multiple burst to shine? That isn't happening in pvp

[arctic sluice]

2b burst is slightly higher than maxwell burst percentag

but no pierce, core hit

[ruby mirage]

you can still boost her hp with supports like noise

[arctic sluice]

and also no s1 steroid

so its like a sideish grade to maxwell

[dire locust]

too much cope on 2b

shiftup really dirty with the 5.99%

[arctic sluice]

People got too hype

Everyone always quick to try and dethrone the pilgrim queens

[dire locust]

a2 pretty good though

[onyx crest]

scarlet has been powercrept a few times alr

[dire locust]

might dethrone some pilgrim queens if enuf boss parts

[sacred vapor]

boss parts haven’t had more than 2 hp in 5 years

[onyx crest]

the timeline was like

pre-nerf harran > scarlet
modernia > scarlet
alice OL discovery > scarlet
power > scarlet
guillotine buff > scarlet
sanis > scarlet
2B > scarlet

she should be more than dead by now

[arctic sluice]

Lol that entire timeline

Is so bad lol

[dire locust]

pascal > scarlet frfr

robotussy

[arctic sluice]

Guillotine > scarlet

Frfr

[onyx crest]

tbf that one is legit

out of all the fake ones lol

[dire locust]

guilo > scar is arguable

[versed adder]

Guillotine> Scar only legit on test runs

[dire locust]

due to how hard guillo is to slot in comps

[versed adder]

Real fight I've yet to see that

[onyx crest]

real fight scarlet beats everything

[dire locust]

how much harder*

[arctic sluice]

Everyone a goddess in the training room

[versed adder]

The only > Scarlet we've had in recent times in Anis

[arctic sluice]

See scarlet in a true 1v1 duel

[versed adder]

But you pair them together

[arctic sluice]

They fold like origami

[arctic sluice]

Or don’t and scarlet still performs crazy lol

[versed adder]

Yeah fr

Anis can run with Biscuit and Poli now

[onyx crest]

no not even

scarlet in bunnies performs better than anything you can make with sanis

but who would gimp the bunnies

[arctic sluice]

Bunnies very flexible

[versed adder]

I was referring to them being paired togethered but yeah that's also valid

[dire locust]

s. anis is very oddly skewed since people's perception is based on the ELECTRIC-WEAK SR boss

[versed adder]

Anis scaling poorly with Meta supports is So so

[arctic sluice]

This 100%

[raw jacinth]

Doubt

[versed adder]

Fr fr

[dire locust]

if you mock into cucumber UR u will see S. Anis is good but not SSS tier

[versed adder]

I mean if they in the same comp

[onyx crest]

showcasing how perfect SR timing can be for marketing purposes

[versed adder]

Holistically Scar >

She's much more flexible

And more reliable

[raw jacinth]

In my eyes, only one that Beat scarlet is modernia but scarlet makes up for it for being a boss in pvp

[versed adder]

Real

[arctic sluice]

I don’t even say Modernia beats scarlet

I say they’re equal

[versed adder]

But then again Mod and scar don't really compete

[onyx crest]

people expected SR to be cathered towards Sneon's needs but all we got was nihilister event lmao

that did the total opposite to her image

[dire locust]

mod beats scarlet if there is a core

[versed adder]

Like one bullies campaign the other bullies PvP

[raw jacinth]

And you playing in pc

[versed adder]

Then it depends what you fighting for bosses

[arctic sluice]

But in every form of content it’s a mix of both scarlet mod or even Alice

[dire locust]

a2 beats all if theres 10 boss parts all 1b hp

[arctic sluice]

So saying one unit is better than the other is hard, cause content dictates all of this

[onyx crest]

is sneon good with 10 boss parts?

[raw jacinth]

BTW guys, is Alice able to beat scarlet if you don't have maxwell?

[versed adder]

I do think it's fair to say Alice is a little above the other two

[arctic sluice]

So it’s easier to just say they’re all equally ridiculous and then highlight areas they excel in better than others

[versed adder]

Yeah

[arctic sluice]

Ol lines yes

[versed adder]

Peak Alice doesn't run Maxwell

Peak SW aswell

[arctic sluice]

7.2 cs on ol

[raw jacinth]

O nice

[versed adder]

Maxwell is essentially a band aid for them until you reach the crazy investment

[onyx crest]

just a second OL piece i think

for that 100% without mx

[arctic sluice]

Maxwell is a good damage boost though cause pierce

[versed adder]

Yeah and their comps

If you get Liter S1 and Noir S2 high enough for Alice to not reload during FB

Very big pp damage

[onyx crest]

there's a dude murdering all campaign with the lowest cp possible

with alice

he must've gotten very lucky with OL gear

[versed adder]

Alice is just too overbaked

Truly head and shoulders above the rest of the roster atm

[onyx crest]

23-21 is famous for being insanely hard to people who get there on low CP

this dude with alice beat it almost 10k cp lower than second place

[arctic sluice]

alice sending everyone to wonderland

one shot at a time

[onyx crest]

how i wish 2b was alice

[versed adder]

The Silence

[onyx crest]

alice with enough ammo can spam enough shots to fill the burst quickly enough

this way you can do bunnies + alice without wasting something like a slot on centi for burst gen

[fading mirage]

Nah sniper wont shake dat ass perfectly.ar already perfect

[onyx crest]

isn't that unrealistic?

i've seen snipers in anime

a lot of jiggle

[true gorge]

Modernia and alice are a good argument though

[onyx crest]

yeah until you burst with modernia and she gimps your whole team

[true gorge]

Lmao

[onyx crest]

it's true but just not as perfect as scarlet

[true gorge]

Never burst modernia

Unless you need the aoe

[raw jacinth]

Modernia yes. But I can't count Alice since she really need investment to shine

[true gorge]

I don't think scarlet is real

You guys talking about scarlet are just having 1 big meme

Never gonna pull her

[true gorge]

I guess
Alice really carries on alot of content though

[rotund jackal]

💀 2b 6%?

[true gorge]

Lol

[onyx crest]

2b and a2 look meta and that must be unprecidented to have both limited characters be good i'm not countering shelm as good she's just a dolla imposter

[true gorge]

Hoping for a last minute 2b change

Maybe maintenence extension

[onyx crest]

fuck u

i have to wait till midnight login and sleep

[rotund jackal]

but 6%... isnt it just abit better than smg?

actually no... less ammo too

[true gorge]

Sorry but extension would be worth it if we get 2b buff😭

[onyx crest]

every hour we get an extension is an hour of less sleep

100 gems is not worth 1h worth of sleep loss

[sharp vapor]

Why not sleep during maint

[onyx crest]

too hyped now

[true gorge]

Hah I wasn't planning on sleeping

I have 2 assignments due in a few hours

And only 1 is complete

So I'll be up in time for maintenance end

[merry yacht]

Volume Mast Scar/Guillo 2B Noise
SMary Dolla SAnis Scar/Guillo Priv
Doro Novel Maxwell Helm Mod
Liter Blanc Alice Noir A2
Pepper SHelm Drake Maiden Guilty

Oh wait Guillo cant be healed

Omg Guillo is so bad

[rough spindle]

smh

Where's snow white?

[onyx crest]

he denounced sw in #1059468005911830558

it was wild

saying 2b better

[merry yacht]

Nowhere to be found

[rough spindle]

I see, guess he finally lost his mind

Im building snow white right now, so this better not be true in the end lol

[onyx crest]

he said soline's better bro

[rough spindle]

ok clearly this man needs help

[merry yacht]

Wow u love twisting my word dont u

[onyx crest]

i'm only playing with the words you gave me

[merry yacht]

🙂

Blocking

[onyx crest]

i'm just kidding about the soline part lol but you did say 2b beats sw

[merry yacht]

Because she does

[dire locust]

@onyx crest be nice

[onyx crest]

yeah i'll stop

[dire locust]

everyone has their own opinions

[onyx crest]

i don't even disagree with the 2b vs sw

[merry yacht]

Explain how SW is better?

U dont even do the maths

[versed adder]

Just invest in her then

Iirc Kise doesn't have S2

SW*

[merry yacht]

2B alone with LB2 and highly invested gear can reach 1.7m HP at level 265, and attackers only reach 60k at MLB.

[rough spindle]

wait, maiden over sugar? explain lol

[merry yacht]

Maiden is Core 3 in my case.

Also Maiden has screenwipe.

Very useful.

[rough spindle]

ah your build, makes sense

[merry yacht]

So far all bosses need screenwipe.

Harvester, MW, Blacksmith throw rocks.

Alteisen too.

[dire locust]

if this is your account specific build, should probably be a disclaimer

[merry yacht]

So value wise, Maiden > Sugar now.

No?

Maiden has a wipe.

The wipe is stronger than Sugar.

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

No need disclaimer.

Sugar is shit.

[rough spindle]

would maiden burst be enough to wipe solo raid challenge rocks?

[merry yacht]

Even Emily said so.

[merry yacht]

Yes.

[dire locust]

i meant the whole SW stuff

[merry yacht]

Enough.

Even at level 3.

Maybe not Blacksmith, but those will just be one AR shot away.

But Harvester Alteisen all one shot.

[pallid violet]

bros, this guy could tell from a video doing maths that 2b had a 5.98% AR modifier, im sure he can tell if one character is better than another 🤣

[merry yacht]

5.989% to be precise.

[pallid violet]

u just argue with him with no arguement

[merry yacht]

I rounded down.

[rough spindle]

well I have no bunnies sadly, so sw is still gonna be used

[versed adder]

SW will always be used when a boss can be SW'd

[merry yacht]

Sugar is actually support. Her damage is on the low side except against Electric.

But she increases other SG damage.

I've tested this over and over.

It looks as if she is better but no.

Somehow.

[dire locust]

tf we talking about sugar for

[onyx crest]

freeze asked

[merry yacht]

As I said, earlier.

[onyx crest]

why maiden over sugar

[merry yacht]

2B alone with LB2 and highly invested gear can reach 1.6m HP at level 265, and attackers only reach 60k at MLB.

[rough spindle]

older comp suggested by kisenix had sugar, now its maiden. Hence, my question

[dire locust]

[merry yacht]

So, assuming S1 is maxed, that's 87.75% boost.

1.6m * 187.75% =

[rough spindle]

why lb2 specifically? some sort of milestone you wanna reach?

[merry yacht]

3m HP

[merry yacht]

Bond bonuses

[rough spindle]

I c

[merry yacht]

3m HP

6.16% of that is

184800

Now add her base attack

Id say it's around 66% of attacker

So 40k

224800

Is her fucking attack at max stacks of S1

Now add Noise/Mast/Novel

Self explanatory

SW doesnt benefit from Noise

But 2B does

SW needs Liter

2B doesnt

2B's Liter is Noise

[pallid violet]

honestly i like this just cause i get to use noise and i have the skin i love on her

lol

[arctic sluice]

sw doesn't need liter

[merry yacht]

Easiest way to calculat ehow much dps Noise gives

[arctic sluice]

there are other team comps you can run

[merry yacht]

Is to convert atk to HP back

20.2%

Yes so

[rough spindle]

if youre slotting guilo with 2b, activating noise might not be an efficient idea

[merry yacht]

2B's BASE ATTACK is equal to 20.2% of HP buff.

Now lets calculate

[pallid violet]

guilo will be fine even with noise

since mast is in the team

[merry yacht]

100% base HP + 87% from S1 + 20% base attack

That's around 207%

[arctic sluice]

idk last time i ran mast guillo noise

[merry yacht]

So Noise burst will give her 25% dps boost

[arctic sluice]

noise healed guillo past 50%

[merry yacht]

Novel will give 67.5%

Mast will give 33%.

[pallid violet]

i mean yeah she will do that but only every 2nd burst

[arctic sluice]

still a dps drop right

[pallid violet]

your other option is what? no healer at all?

[merry yacht]

You don't use Noise burst at all

Noise is jsut taunter

In 2B's team

Noise uses burst

Its different

[arctic sluice]

cause of some bad play i had to heal

so the point was to show that noise will still heal guillotine past 50%

so if you run guillo 2b noise

[versed adder]

Could he offset by Mast tbh

[arctic sluice]

you will have to account for guillo's dps drop

even with mast

[versed adder]

And high Ammo

[pallid violet]

im just curious what other option youd suggest tho cause no healer can be a bit unrealistic in raids

[versed adder]

Guillotine is just hard to slot sadly

If no noise I don't think you can run her practically

[arctic sluice]

i acutal;ly just dropped noise entirely the next time i rand the mast fischl team

and used maiden

and it worked fine

[pallid violet]

a dps drop doesnt necessarily mean she is going to do bad dps tho thats what im trying to say

[versed adder]

Without playing Reset Impact

[arctic sluice]

or more dps

dps drop could be dhte difference between 1b

and 800k

and if you're tryi8ng to get really competitive sr scores

it all matters

[pallid violet]

i always just aim for top 1% and my guilo team did pretty good last raid to get me there

and i had pepper in it

[versed adder]

Yeah true but when we talk like this we reaching really subjective points

[arctic sluice]

yea then its not really a concern for you

but if you're trying to push to top 200 or higher

you gotta accoutn for everything

[pallid violet]

sure then I get your argument

[versed adder]

Like if Guillotine DPS drop the point where another DPS would have been better then it would be more optimal to run that

[dire locust]

[versed adder]

Honestly I think you still run them together anyways and burst on Noise, it remains to be seen but if the DPS loss on healing mast is offset by DPS gain from 2B then it's a net gain

[dry bramble]

May I speak to the manager here?

[versed adder]

Cause let's face it Both 2B and Guillotine want Noise anyways

[balmy prawn]

The manager is busy playing Nikke

[pallid violet]

maybe so im not really a theorycrafter by any means i just speculate random shit lmfao

[dry bramble]

Maint over??

[versed adder]

Manager doesn't do maintenance

[dry bramble]

Yeah it’s the damn unpaid intern

Always delayed

[versed adder]

Intern kuns revenge

[dry bramble]

Who is the chef here and why is the restaurant burning down? That’s what I’m trying to ask

[dire locust]

is @dry bramble starting drama???????

[dry bramble]

[onyx crest]

since nobody is mathing a2 i just have to ask here

is a2 good?

[dire locust]

yes

[dry bramble]

Go to https://discord.com/channels/968096627002851379/1146732876960890960

[dire locust]

source: cannot say

[vivid forge]

MT over?

[balmy prawn]

Sorry sir, the cook is Emma

[dry bramble]

[balmy prawn]

We had asked Emma to cook us the hottest thing for us

And she decided to add fire as an ingredient

[arctic sluice]

You can run maiden as a less consistent taunted

And just reset a couple more times

[onyx crest]

has bonds

[versed adder]

when I wanna mald I just run helm there

Maintenance over?

Ain't no way

[onyx crest]

servers are up yes

can pull

[versed adder]

Holy shit I should update

Like right now

Someone confirm A2 banner isn't there

[onyx crest]

only 2b

[versed adder]

Damn shift up

[merry yacht]

Lmao no free apologems

[dry bramble]

[versed adder]

Alright maths guys

Do the things

[raw jacinth]

I did. But when you are comparing two nikke, you can't just compare their peak

[versed adder]

Yeah where you comparing them depends on the person

Or well floor and ceiling

[minor remnant]

Basic atk 5.99

[raw jacinth]

Same reason why I don't rate sw that well even if she can 1shot SI

[versed adder]

that's the exact reason she's SS for me

[merry yacht]

BRO SOMEONE GO TEST LA

SMFH

[raw jacinth]

2b Havers how is she?

[minor remnant]

Not yet needed to clear all red dots first

[obsidian sable]

Final verdict of 2B? Gimme the tldr

[raw jacinth]

Her asset is

Otherwise give ppl time to test

[cedar monolith]

people want a full review 25 minutes into the banner

[dense hound]

Not sure which team should I use for testing but try to beef up her max hp but seems like her dps is not so much with this comp.

5/5/6, full T9M +5, C7

[onyx crest]

i was just curious to see if noise max hp stacked with 2b's s1 and it does

time to test if jackal burst works with 2b burst

[pallid violet]

skill levels?

[solar socket]

Bumping so i can come back later

[dense hound]

#1146727988679942174 message

[pallid violet]

ah shit

[dense hound]

out of all Interception, why it has to be a Grave Digger today

sigh

[clear iris]

Train would be worse

Maybe stalling on blacksmith tomorrow?

[dense hound]

Maybe she's being Defender make her atk stats low

[solemn jacinth]

6% attack lol
get shafted

[dense hound]

Gotta wait for other ppl to woke up and test her out

[clear iris]

TLDR not good?

At least better than Crow?

[dense hound]

I didn't even touch Crow so idk

[onyx crest]

jackal

noise

i get more dmg out of burst with jackal than noise

[dense hound]

To early to judge, not sure which comp to go with her.

[onyx crest]

probably her dmg taken buff

[solemn jacinth]

just look at her base attack will tell you everything ...

i think she's a bust...
again no pun intended

[dense hound]

DPS units we usually stack atk buff, but her kit using max hp so need to squeeze out some brain juice to come up with the comp

[solemn jacinth]

i smell too B tier

[clear iris]

Try liter/bunnies/Scar/Mod, replacing 2B for one of Scar and mod

[solemn jacinth]

dammit no pun intended !

[dense hound]

well, that's TOO(2) BAD

[solemn jacinth]

you had to ruin it with an edit lol

[dire locust]

liter + 2b is a waste

[onyx crest]

i think jackal burst works with 2b

[solemn jacinth]

her regular attack is half the average AR unit, and quarter of scarlet
and all her buffs are to self
she's a wash...

[onyx crest]

the additional damage part

which it shouldn't based on the text

[solemn jacinth]

just on paper, i'm not a rocket scientist

[true gorge]

Oh no....

[solemn jacinth]

yea... you see it?

6%
omega L O L

[clear iris]

Yeah the best way to sum up 2B is better Crow

[solemn jacinth]

i burned my bank for her anyway coz 2B lol

A2 is where the milk and honey is i think

[clear iris]

What about replacing mod for 2B?

[solemn jacinth]

kinda unfortunate

[obsidian sable]

Her bread and butter team will be Volume Mast

[true gorge]

Pls I beg yall
Find a way to make 2b good

Even the mystical OL gear doesn't work

[merry yacht]

Uh

[obsidian sable]

Crit meta dudes

[winged verge]

Ah, as expected

Her normal attack ratio is sub-SMG

[dire locust]

[solemn jacinth]

but as an AR unit
but 90clip not 60
still...

[clear iris]

Basically better Crow lol

[winged verge]

150% base ammo but less than 50% damage per shot

[gleaming raft]

So basically, I burned 20 tickets and 30k gems for a better Crow with a fat ass?

[solemn jacinth]

who?

[winged verge]

Though considering she ends up with more ATK than Scarlet, that makes sense.

[open ibex]

Doomposting is real

[clear iris]

Good luck surviving 90 seconds though

[dense hound]

ah man, controlling 2B and then switch to Scarlet is completely different experience

[true gorge]

Yall actually have me worried havnt opened the game yet(downloading)

Is she really
Washed on day 1?

[winged verge]

lol no

She's just not absurdly broken

[dense hound]

Using 2B attacking GD's red circle feels like scratching, but when I use Scarlet, she's like cutting a butter

[clear iris]

Just use her in 3 minute boss fights

[dire locust]

[pallid violet]

are u guys ok u are acting like she sucks meanwhile she does 60% of modernia damage without her stacking her hp buffs, with half maxed skills and probably not maxed gear?

[true gorge]

In nikke the only way for a nikke to be good is if they're broken

Look at what happened to Shelm

[winged verge]

S Helm is great against Electric enemies. Not sure what you're talking about

[pallid violet]

people said from the start she seems like a high investment unit

[clear forge]

Where the whales at

[true gorge]

Problem is even with OL gear she's not gonna scale

[dire locust]

testing

[clear forge]

I got her, wonder if I should dump everything in rn and start testing

[dense hound]

That's why I said it's too early to judge. But if comparing to ASS the result are completely different.

[dire locust]

nah let the best theorycrafters test

[merry yacht]

Bro

I want to reset Max and Sanis now

LIKE RIGHT NOW BRO

I DONT HAVE BURST MANUSL

TO DUCKING TEST HER

FUCK U

[dire locust]

[clear forge]

Is 2b burst fat as fuck

[true gorge]

I'm still pulling cause collab but kinda dissapointed ngl

Too much hype
I woulda been fine had we not overhyped her

[clear forge]

I don't think 2b is reaching scarlet bro