[Anis: Sparkling Summer] New Unit Megathread

[royal shell]

You don’t need to have SAnis burst leveled up

^

[digital delta]

You want to waste mats on her burst?

Okay

[torpid axle]

well having a dps nikke not rely on burst for once would be nice

with how limited burst mats are

[devout lichen]

Wasn't the main problem that was popping up was there was no room for a healer?

[torpid axle]

so 10/10/1 and always have privaty attached should be the way to go then

[royal shell]

You can sub in Pepper

[digital delta]

Honestly 10 10 3-5 against Water

But no reason to waste anything beyond that

[torpid axle]

that's pretty reasonable enough yeah

well can go for burst 9 for PVP reasons

so you can remove privaty from that team

[digital delta]

No?

B1 B2 have always been flex.

People just care about DPS too much.

SMary Dolla is a good start.

SMary SHelm is also fine.

Pepper is also fine.

[torpid axle]

yeah I'd say the core of the team template for ASS is ASS + Scarlet+ Privaty atm

B1 and B2 are Flex and really depends on what you're fighting

[digital delta]

Just wanna put this here. IF I SEE ANYONE POSTING ASS DAMAGE IN THE RANGE AGAIN, IM CALLING 911.

Every single server has a DAMAGE COMPARISON in THE RANGE.

I'm FED UP.

[formal night]

Too many dumbies

[digital delta]

Actual SAnis damage without correct OL lines should be 80-95% of Scar's damage.

Not because she is bad, but because she buffs Scarlet.

Does she outdps Scarlet? YES, but in testing NO, because she makes Scarlet stronger.

Hope that satisfies your curiosity.

[wanton falcon]

So then how would you go about making Anis do the majority of the damage?

[torpid axle]

burst with her

[wanton falcon]

When?

first or second?

[torpid axle]

make sure to have 109% reload speed

[wanton falcon]

How do I know if I have 109 reload speed?

[digital delta]

Not for Anis.

[torpid axle]

she can burst first in a ASS + Scarlet + Privaty team comp

[digital delta]

Anis is capped at around 90%.

[kind urchin]

You can see veins on anis booba

[torpid axle]

do math?

Add ASS S1 + Privaty S1 + resilience cube if needed

[wanton falcon]

so Anis needs to have a Resilience cube?

[digital delta]

No, use HitRate/BurstGen cube instead, but can use Resil for stat.

[torpid axle]

well if needed

[wanton falcon]

My apologies, math was one of my weaker points, so sorry for being a little slower.

[torpid axle]

cause yeah at high enough skill levels yeah you don't need it

[digital delta]

Well, I'd say yes.

More stat, and also slightly faster reload off-burst.

Now is a race to getting Resilience 9 and 10 for more elemental bonus.

[wanton falcon]

Well Summer Anis brought me back in the game. I will now work to get her to 7/7/7 for now then see what I need for 10/10/10

[torpid axle]

uhhh

[digital delta]

Unfortunately, my Union only placed 11-15th.

[torpid axle]

you can drop the burst levels

[digital delta]

Whose guide are you reading?

[torpid axle]

try for 10/10/3-5

[digital delta]

I never heard of guides saying up burst to 7+.

[torpid axle]

probably what I said earlier

[digital delta]

Except Tim, who is a WHALE, so he's different, and he's not a tryhard.

Tim shouldn't be your go-to guide creator.

There is SjayKin.

[torpid axle]

I would only go higher on burst for PVP now honestly

[wanton falcon]

who is tim?

[digital delta]

You'd better ask me or Gatrix if interested in mathematics, SJayKin if tryhard for minmax and stuff and simpler summaries.

SjayKin summarizes it perfectly well.

In his blog.

And I totally agree with every single word.

I will just route all questions to SjayKin because I find that he has the best knowledge of the game.

My opinions clash a lot with Snow, Tim, Keripo, etc, but somehow most of the time align with SJay's, and he has good stuff. Rank 1 SR too. Can't ask for more.

[kind urchin]

Burst needs to be 9

At burst lvl9 anis has 1 ammo

[torpid axle]

the maiden pvp debate

[digital delta]

What is your source?

[kind urchin]

Me

[wanton falcon]

is that good?

[digital delta]

Anis replaced her, to be honest.

[torpid axle]

well somewhat

[digital delta]

Ok, I recommend you remove your Maid role.

[torpid axle]

magazine sg burst gen is

and if you throw in privaty for that comp it gets even er

[digital delta]

There is virtually no reason to up Anis burst too much.

You have been missing out on a lot Snow.

So dont mislead people.

[sullen abyss]

snow is probalby talking about

in order ot have her ammo at 1 w/o privaty

[kind urchin]

Yes

Obviously

[sullen abyss]

kisenix just being crazy

for some reason

[kind urchin]

Wdym just being

He is crazy

[sullen abyss]

[ocean palm]

[sullen abyss]

no comment

[kind urchin]

Fuck you coach

[sudden stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038708366630977566/1047768821747941376/20221201_022935.gif

[peak swallow]

[kind urchin]

Well, he's right

Using privaty is just too big of a boost

And without Priv you don't reach 109% reload

[hexed bison]

admi? no

[peak swallow]

at burst 10 her personal dps loss is not large

freeing up that spot is advantageous in certain situations

[kind urchin]

Admi mid

[torpid axle]

ngl I'm gonna reset admi's lvl 5 burst when we get another reset

really hard to fit in admi now

[kind urchin]

Same

[sullen abyss]

level 5 is pretty low investment though

[kind urchin]

Yeah but she's mid now

[torpid axle]

I need all the burst mats

[kind urchin]

I may be wrong but

[hexed bison]

$$$

[sudden stirrup]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1012288696336273428/1070326844991225876/credit_card.png

[kind urchin]

Can someone check

[sullen abyss]

its just always hard for me to find characters to reset

[harsh forge]

Having enough books for another lvl 10 burst probably is a bigger advantage

[torpid axle]

every burst mat counts

[kind urchin]

Lvl7 resi+priv lvl10+admi burst 3

Is 109% I think

[peak swallow]

cash issue

🤑

[hexed bison]

31 , 29 ,51

[sullen abyss]

i did end up resetting rupee lol

but it was like l6 burst

[torpid axle]

decent amount of mats back not bad

[sullen abyss]

i think at some point i'll put the books back into rupee

but w/ guilty its hard to fit dps b2 into ur slots

[torpid axle]

I won't reset her just because waifu but she's also only 1/7/5

[sullen abyss]

177 is a good stopping point for rupee

its just i need to get sw online asap

[torpid axle]

same

only yesterday I got SW burst to 9

[sullen abyss]

so close

[torpid axle]

T9M gearing is fucking far though this RNG

[sullen abyss]

i had a full set of pilgrijm gear for sw when i finally got her

but i dont barely had anythign for guilty

at least w/ sanis i got a lot of tetra support

but i dont even have the resourses to get her online anytime soon

[torpid axle]

trade you a full set of missilis for pilgrim

[sullen abyss]

[hexed bison]

i have 2 sets of tetra support and kept blaming the game

today it turned out to be a good thing ]

[sullen abyss]

when si2

i need more fodder to level up these armor

[hexed bison]

i don't have the gear then i finally have the gear

then i don't have the gear exp then i finally have the gear exp

then i don't have the crystals... and i still don't have the crystals this fucking game

it never ends

[sullen abyss]

there is actaully nothing worse

than fnot having sw and being like welp

guess im free to build all these other units

and then getting her randomly and now the entire account is held hostage

[hexed bison]

did you get her today just like me?

[rotund jolt]

These guys winning big

Meanwhile I'm waiting to reset Ruppe And Centi

[sullen abyss]

4 days ago

but the account has been held hostage ever since

i ahd to reroll my alice armor to get 7.2 charge speed cause no more max

its rough

[hexed bison]

well i'lll stop talking here it's supposed to be about anis lol

[sullen abyss]

yeap yeap

[harsh forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/15hggve/the_age_of_modernia_and_scarlet_is_over_the_new/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[crisp belfry]

Inb4 coop raid is liter/Centi/2Sanis/Privaty

[sterile citrus]

Poor ppl should not be eating fast food

[spark notch]

Five dollar cravings box is nice

[hexed bison]

what the jesus

this is a meme until you fight train or chatterbox with 3 parts at the same time

then we're suddenly gaming

[spark notch]

What?

[red scarab]

Infinite Launcher

[kindred frigate]

nice one guys, even the casuals at reddit knows how good our land whale is now

[sturdy dew]

Mommy land whale

[candid dust]

SI Chatterbox

[candid dust]

Shooting Range

[runic dagger]

Reload speed from Anis S1 and Priv s1 max lvl

[digital delta]

@torpid axle I have been angered.

[sterile citrus]

So it's settled? Best team to use Sanis is privaty, Sanis and scarlet?

Very limited space for heal tho

[rancid saddle]

quency

or smary as b1

or pepper

and then dolla b2

[sterile citrus]

Ya that's why I said limited and not no room

Gotta sacrifice the b1 slot since bunny doesn't fit

[digital delta]

Not limited.

Most healers are B1.

[rancid saddle]

20s healing b1 are only pepper and smary though, who else?

40s b1 is a no no since we're running 3 b3's

[sterile citrus]

BTW if the above team is meta, does that mean guillotine go back into the garbage bin?

[digital delta]

It depends, no?

Next solo raid will be funny.

You need heal.

Taunt.

[rancid saddle]

yea, guillotine has been demoted

ASS powercrept guillo

[sterile citrus]

Heal yes. Taunt not really

[digital delta]

You sure?

[sterile citrus]

Solo raid isn't SI where they buff the dmg to the sky

[digital delta]

The turrets and missiles won't one hit kill?

[rancid saddle]

taunt is good because according to the palantir, the train will attack highest atk nikkes first

[digital delta]

SI's damage isn't buffed.

Solo Raid is SI but worse.

In fact.

Lmao

[rancid saddle]

nah SI train is just overtuned/bugged.
UR train was fine, train in towers are fine

[digital delta]

Those are because theyre not sync locked

:/

SR is sync locked

Same as SI

....

And the sync lock for both SR and SI are unfair

[sterile citrus]

The point stand, taunt isn't as important cuz you aren't getting one shot

[digital delta]

You dont even know?

Lmao

[turbid thistle]

[digital delta]

Currently the hypothesis is you do get one shot

[turbid thistle]

thomas has hands

[digital delta]

Which is more likely

Than not getting 1 shot

Let me see if we have leaks

[rancid saddle]

kisenix, cook something using Exia with ASS

since Exia is electric

[digital delta]

No healer run

[rancid saddle]

exia quency

[digital delta]

Just do Exia Dolla/SHelm

Since she has unlimited ammo

You can spam her in burst

Like macro

Assuming 3 shots per sec

Which is slower than macro

You can deal 300% * 10 * 1.5.

4500%.

Times 184%, 155%, 122%

261%

11745%

Not bad

She kinda gives like 2.7% attack buff permanenntyl too

Yeah u can use Exia

[kindred frigate]

now if only there is a b2 healer that also gives cd reduction

hmm

[sterile citrus]

Once that unit gets released, blanc go straight into the chopping board

Only reason why blanc isn't going to the trash bin is cuz there is still a need for her in your 2nd/3rd team😆

[frigid hemlock]

Is Quency is a viable option for burst 2?

[rancid saddle]

well if you run a cdr b1 yes

pseudo healer and quite chonky herself

the heal is 44% max hp at level 10 but only 2 units

with highest atk

so maybe not

[sullen abyss]

why would blanc get demoted if a healer became a cdr in the b2 slot?

you still have the best b1 liter

[rancid saddle]

blanc also has the best damage amp debuff atm

[sullen abyss]

maybe if like there was damage amp in the b1 slot?

[rancid saddle]

10 sec 39% damage amp

[frigid hemlock]

I think demoted just means it get to be switched to the 2nd team?

For PVE Bunnies are still queen tho

[sullen abyss]

what is the 2nd team though

liter bunnies right

[frigid hemlock]

I pair the bunnies with Alice

[sullen abyss]

but like, that team doesnt' chagne witha b2 healer

so where is eh being demoted from

b2 cdr healer

also, judging by how b2s have been balanced so far

[frigid hemlock]

Alice is in my 2nd team, but I personaly still like the bunnies more, they're more simpler to play

[sullen abyss]

all the cdr b2s, have low numbers on the rest of their kits

they probalby wouldnt' heal to any enormous amount compared to blanc, and compared to pepper/shelm?

[frigid hemlock]

I guess some people want to pair Doro, SAnis, and Priv?

I'm still figuring out SAnis team myself

since we're gonna do Alteisen on Solo

[sullen abyss]

you probalby just need a b2 healer there and not a cdr b2 healer

[uncut hollow]

Any rough estimates on what tier is SAnis now? Is she S or EX?

[sullen abyss]

but it would be specifically for that team

[uncut hollow]

[frigid hemlock]

Who would that be? biscuit?

[sullen abyss]

im thinkin a new unit

not any current units?

[frigid hemlock]

I'd say she's definitley S

[sullen abyss]

like maybe quency

[frigid hemlock]

Ah new unit, sure. Upcoming chime gotta be B2 lol

[sullen abyss]

but for the entire team

but a 20s healer for the full team from the b2 slot would probalby have some crazy heals

but idk thats a theorycrafting question for a different channel

[frigid hemlock]

Gotta prepare for the big ol train I suppose

[sullen abyss]

diesel will go crazy in solo raid

[frigid hemlock]

I need to know if it's basically the same Alteisen in SI or the boss have another gimmick, I guess diesel can do well on Alteisen

I know they got machine gun now, but how that will differ from the turrets?

[sullen abyss]

if it works like how tuants work in any every other situation

diesel should just work

[digital delta]

Imma put here for no reason

but I just passed my thesis exam jn

like 30 mins ago

[rancid saddle]

[uncut hollow]

is Summer Anis full mag reload or per bullet?

[rancid saddle]

full reload

[digital delta]

SAnis outdps Scar against bossess with 0 core

[digital delta]

SSS

Better than Scar and Mod in the right team.

[digital delta]

Cyhatterbox even

tho Alice is just better

As I said

my preliminary rating is mostly correct

she is SSS

and thanks to @lofty stream for confirming that too

bro

CB is fire

and she is alr dpsing like that

what the fuck

[sullen abyss]

is this with sanis bursting first?

[digital delta]

yes

[sullen abyss]

what does the numbers look like if scarlet burst first

[digital delta]

whats the difference

thats full run

[sullen abyss]

???

[digital delta]

CB dead

[sullen abyss]

unless its an even number of burst rotations

[digital delta]

it's quite even

5s of last Anis burst

[sullen abyss]

if its an odd number of burst rotations, that means sanis is getting in more bursts than scarlet

[digital delta]

in reality Anis will burst more

[sullen abyss]

its still worth seeing what it looks like

[digital delta]

like no burst will be even anyways

Sanis still outdps Scarlet

I checked before last burst

tho not as much?

[sullen abyss]

can you show the numbers

its worth seeing what it looks like if you decided to burst first with scarlet

[sullen abyss]

and for clarification

total battle time of 39 seconds means it took 39 seconds to kill the boss right

and not like, there was 39 seconds left on the clock before the boss died

cause if the former is correct, just going off the 2 teams

sanis out dpsed modernia, but the alice team killed cb roughly 40 seconds faster

so its not really the fairest comparison

if you account for the 40 seconds that wasn't spent in the fight from the alice mod team and assuming the rotation stays functionally the same, mods damage is 36m (roughtly) compared to the 30m from sanis

this is where blanc factors into the calculations

[rancid saddle]

00:39 in damage tab means 39 seconds left on the clock

[sullen abyss]

ok so the sanis team killed faster?

[torpid axle]

what no

39 sec in damage tab is total battle time

I know this because all my SI battles are within 38sec-49secs long

[sullen abyss]

yea ok

taht makes way more sense

cause if you had 1:24 left on the clock you killed cb ridiculously fast

for a team w/ no pierce

[rancid saddle]

I assumed it’s the other way around because in UR when I killed a boss and checked the damage tab, it shows time remaining

instead of time elapsed

[sullen abyss]

damage tab

and final damage tab is different

[torpid axle]

oh did you check midway

[sullen abyss]

the screenshots are from the damage tab after the fight is cleared

[torpid axle]

cause yeah I've noticed they're not the same results

midway damage record is current time left

[rancid saddle]

bruh

[torpid axle]

final damage record is total time battled

[sullen abyss]

[torpid axle]

oops I meant left for midway

[sullen abyss]

so if my argument is correct

[torpid axle]

but yeah I do check damage records mid battle and noticed it early on

[sullen abyss]

maybe sanis out dpses modernia in the right teams, but not accountihng for blanc and the boss clearing factor

would skew any result

[torpid axle]

team comps definitely make it hard to quantify exactly yeah

cause you definitely can't run liter + bunnies with ASS

[sullen abyss]

so coach saying sanis outdpsed mod in cb here i wouldn't say is correct

cause of see argument above

if only tehre was like a shooting range

with a obss that just had infinte health

this also means damage taken is really just

absolutely busted

and not being able to be used with a damage taken unit, cause of scarlet requiring a healer is a big deal

though its also not fair cause sanis investment

so its not equal investment and time so can't really say that definitively either

[torpid axle]

yeah that's just damage forumlas in general where you wanna be having lots of multiplicative buffs/debuffs for damage stacking versus high additive buffs/debuffs

cough CRIT cough

[sullen abyss]

imagihne crit being multiplicative

i would be curious to see what the damage numbers look like if coach ran "doro novel alice sanis privaty"

and then "doro novel alice mod privaty"

and see waht teh damage diference is for mod vs sanis (w/ less investment) in the same team

[digital delta]

I did test yesterday with Mod

on blacksmith

Scar > Mod

but SAnis < Mod

due to core

[sullen abyss]

yea

but this is a different discussion right

[digital delta]

she will

wanna see

[sullen abyss]

yes i would like to see

[digital delta]

but Mod is disadvantaged

[sullen abyss]

can you try the team i listed earlier?

[digital delta]

what team

[sullen abyss]

doro novel alice privaty sanis and then doro novel alice privaty mod?

specifically on cb

[torpid axle]

I normally run alice/maxwell/centi/privaty/dorothy for CB but today I did do dorothy/ASS/centi/scarlet/privaty

[digital delta]

why tho

[torpid axle]

also novel is too slow to use on SI CB

[digital delta]

but ok

[sullen abyss]

cause i want to see what the damage difference between sanis and modernia are

when you try to equalie the teams as much as possible

and also when you take into acocunt damage taken debuff

[torpid axle]

my alice CB team comp is roughly 38-40secs for clear my 1 run with ASS comp was 48secs clear

[digital delta]

IMma remove noel

vel

change it to centi

cus ffs I cant hit missiles

[torpid axle]

yeah she's too slow once you kill CB in under a min

[sullen abyss]

that works too lol

[torpid axle]

by the time you finish stacking her buff for damage taken debuff CB is dead

[sullen abyss]

im just curious to see what hte numbers look like when teams are equalized as much as possible

[digital delta]

ye

Alice is too fast

[sullen abyss]

hard being the alfa bunny

[digital delta]

Alice auto, Anis burst 2x so unfair

[sullen abyss]

died too fast lol

maybe replace alice with like

drake or something?

or i guess scarlet

guess we could just do doro centi scarlet sanis privaty vs doro centi scarlet privaty mod

alice skews the fights too much

[digital delta]

\

Alice burst 2x

Use Doro's damage as benchmark

this bsos has no core

Mod cant win

lmao

Mod isnt the strongest dps when enemy has no core

[sullen abyss]

though

probalby should make it so that

alice bursts first in both teams

[digital delta]

ok

[rotund jolt]

[sullen abyss]

cause like yo usaid right, sanis bursting twice skews the nubmers

[digital delta]

but I dont burst with mod

so whats the differene

[sullen abyss]

yeah mod doesn't burst

[digital delta]

Sanis is supposed to be used with burst

ok I wont burst with Alice

[sullen abyss]

yea but alice bursting once in one team

and twice in the other

messes with damage numbers right

[digital delta]

ok Priv burst first

[sullen abyss]

[digital delta]

oh fuck

its hard to aim Alice

fair enough

i wasnt aiming at parts with Alice

so both have same damage

one needs to burst

the other musn't

[sullen abyss]

slight favor for sanis

cause 4 seconds less in the fight

[digital delta]

no

thats cus my aiming

[sullen abyss]

oh ok

[digital delta]

I killed head this time

when almost finished

[sullen abyss]

so we can probably just say their damage, w/ no cores, is probably equivalent

which is still insane

cause its modernia

[digital delta]

no

nono

not the same

you forgot my SAnis has 0 attack line

and her burst is elm bonus

u forgot

🙂

im just saying

she

[sullen abyss]

[digital delta]

can outdps Mod

lmao

this Dorothy is also bad

[sullen abyss]

given the right fights

[torpid axle]

I will say from small amount of testing ASS's DPS seems really insane

[sullen abyss]

and no core you coudl probalby argue mod will outdps her as well

[torpid axle]

I too have 0 attack and elemental damage rolls on ASS's OLs

[sullen abyss]

but its probably fair to just say, give or take

insane damage both ways

[torpid axle]

and she's hitting pretty hard

[digital delta]

oh Anis using Lv 0 T9M

Mod is full OL 5 5 3

Sanis is 5 3 (T9M 0)

lmao

Mod is 10 10 x

Sanis 10 10 x

fair comparison

[scarlet void]

why 1 copy?

[sullen abyss]

sanis can out dps mod and mod can outdps sanis

[digital delta]

cus Im not a whale?

[scarlet void]

im asking in general xd

[sullen abyss]

but their teams are different and since mod is usually with bunnies damage taken is crazy

[digital delta]

oh feel free to get more copies

[sullen abyss]

and alice is insane

[digital delta]

shes broken

but I prfer having all units

[scarlet void]

oh. okay

[digital delta]

than MLB broken unit

[digital delta]

ok let me OL my Anis agian

nah

I wanna see how small her hitbox is now

lmao

[sullen abyss]

lol

should be a funny meme, if nothing else right?

sanis also has supporter stats

so her damage output, inspite of being supporter

[torpid axle]

I mean it's pretty simple if you can 🐳 then up to you to MLB or go for Core+7 if you can't/F2P and have little resources left 1 copy is enough and worth it

[sullen abyss]

is wild

[digital delta]

thats big

[sullen abyss]

pepper 2.0

[digital delta]

small enough

I like it

lmao

actually hitrate is important

ngl

Nah

\

Nah

Nah

NAh

NAh

she has 70% elemental damage now

LMAO

HAHAHHAhaHa

do we have water boss in SI

that I can abuse

no we dont

oh

blacksmith

[sullen abyss]

if we get a cdr b1 healer

that is going to be so broken

cause then you can run the ASS team, but slot in novel

[digital delta]

where are the ATTACK OL

Ive never seen them in ages

[sullen abyss]

[torpid axle]

good OL rolls are a myth

[digital delta]

god

it went to Maxwell

I cant reroll my Doro if its like this

fuck u

MY DORO HAS SO MANY ELEMENTAL DAMAGE BUT NO ATTACK

LMAO

[torpid axle]

OOF

[digital delta]

THE GAME LOVES ELEMENTAL DAMAGE

FOR ME

SO MUCH

[torpid axle]

bro wheres my elemental damage rolls

[digital delta]

even this in Guillo

I want to up the value

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

im destroyng next solo raid without SW

lmao

[torpid axle]

dayum

[digital delta]

hang on

I want to test Sanis

in coop

liollll

I forgot to put her in sync

fuck u

[rancid saddle]

good luck testing her, randos can’t deal with qte andeveryone die 30 sec in

[torpid axle]

NA lobby channel is dead

[rancid saddle]

it’s like 2 am in america

[torpid axle]

1am east coast atm

[digital delta]

do we even have a water boss I can bully

[torpid axle]

yeah kraken

[digital delta]

its random

[torpid axle]

uhh not currently I don't think

[digital delta]

maybe ex stages

hmm

[torpid axle]

I cleared all of those already

[digital delta]

which map is water element

oh motherwhale

ok time to experience this shit

[zinc anchor]

12 am here

[rancid saddle]

water = land eater

wait which SI boss is water?

I’m getting brain lag trying to figure it out

[digital delta]

wtf

nah man

this is mob stage

Scar burst

still

cant

outdps

SAnis

RANGE

BUT with scar wipe

[kindred frigate]

drunk wine aunt gets powercrept 1 year in by a land whale in micro bikini

still using them with eachother though

[scarlet void]

question. this is kinda dumb, but when the pin says 1 copy, does that mean you pull for her then try for another copy?

[hexed bison]

[digital delta]

Dolla 5 3 3 increases Anis DPS by 2.5%, while Scarlet is increased by 2%.

[rotund jolt]

Blacksmith

[digital delta]

SHelm gives no boost against non Electric but she deals 80% more damage than Dolla 5 3 3 at ALL SKILLS MAXED.

[rotund jolt]

1 copy is 90% of a Nikke power

[digital delta]

So whether you are going to run Smary/Pepper Shelm/dolla it's your choice.

[rotund jolt]

You decide with your own wallet and goals weather the rest of the dupes are worth the power

[scarlet void]

i didn't know that. thanks

[rotund jolt]

Generally for someone on a budget or f2p more Nikkes will yield better gains than dupes on one, but their are those who can afford the best if both worlds

[scarlet void]

i have like 48 k gems saved and i think 50 tickets?

so i might

and 200 golden tickets saved

[rotund jolt]

Which one nets better DPS?

[silent spindle]

has anyone figured the best electric team with anis yet? is it too with privaty as 3rd burst3 to buff scarlet or something like 1-2-scarlet-guillotine-s.anis?

[rancid saddle]

smary dolla is the safest bet atm

has heals and cdr

or pepper dolla

[torpid axle]

ASS + Scarlet + Privaty is base template

B1 and B2 are flexible for any current and future nikkes that can fit

which atm requires at least CDR + damage buffs/damage amp debuffs + healing

for a strong team comp

gui does not fit here and is best on another team entirely imo

[rancid saddle]

pepper dolla or dorothy sin
use dorothy sin against boss with only single target attacks, need more testing to see if sin can be as tanky as noise

[silent spindle]

for a rainbow team yes absolutely but i doubt tbh privaty really outplays an electric dps when it comes to an elemental advantage or does privaty really compernsate it with her buffs to scarlet??

[torpid axle]

you NEED anis to hit 1 ammo

[rancid saddle]

privaty buffs sanis

and scarlet will have 109% reload speed

[torpid axle]

she only does this with level 9 burst and only on her burst turn without privaty

[silent spindle]

oh ok so design team successfully failed to create a mono electric meta XD

[torpid axle]

no not really

we just lack GOOD last bullet support in a way

we just need another nikke that can also provide -max ammo reduction

privaty is sadly the only one and it's a huge boost to every last bullet kitted nikke

[silent spindle]

that question might sound stupid but in s.anis,scarlet,privaty comp, max.ammo for scarlet is a really bad stat for OL?

[torpid axle]

no

you're still gonna reload outside of full burst

and that's 2.3 secs of downtime every time you reload

[silent spindle]

oh so i dont have to reroll OL gear for scarlet haha good to know 🙂

[rancid saddle]

nah scarlet doesn't have last bullet mechanic

but the 109% reload speed with anis+priv will be great

actually ASS+priv provides 99% reload speed

so scarlet still stuck with reload cube

[silent spindle]

so gonna work on that

[rancid saddle]

you liberated sin yet?

i'm curious about sin here but too lazy to test

[silent spindle]

yes but 0* cant compete with core7 centi with full OL imo^^

[torpid axle]

hmm do you think 99.94% reload speed with bastion would be better and/or roughly equal to running resilience for the 109% reload speed?

[rancid saddle]

too lazy to test

[rancid saddle]

yes but sin has a built-in permataunt, pseudo self healing, lifesteal which is boosted by ASS' atk buff

the permataunt is great to keep the boss off scarlet with no healing

unless there's aoe attacks

[hexed bison]

questions, is summer anis worth the pull???

pls respond ASAP

[silent spindle]

nothing is "worth it" in a lifetime of a human since it ends with death and once we are dead all goes to gulag but temporarly i'd say yes

[rotund jolt]

Mono doesn't need to be full electric team

Roster isn't accommodating such

[lofty stream]

since you are under 109% reload speed, your scarlet will have 0.46s loss during moving in/out of cover. That's like 5 hits every time she runs out of ammo

If yours has 60 ammo, during full burst she should reload once, so the loss can be offset with Bastion

[wanton falcon]

My Anis somehow already surpassed Scarlet in damage.

Also I haven't unlocked the high tier gear thingies yet.

Would be nice to get a Centi sometime to replace Rupee

[wanton falcon]

What story chapter do I need to reach to unlock the ability to farm for higher tier equipment. Currently I'm chapter 13-14. @kind urchin

[noble sun]

16

[wanton falcon]

Just to reach it or also finish it?
Also what power level mist I be to beat Ch.16?
I'm currently 60k.

[noble sun]

Finish it. Could be done with level 160 team

[wanton falcon]

So I don't need to worry about power level. I just go through it with 160 units?

So I'm guessing they must have lowered the power levels, since I remember it being a problem before.

[soft gate]

you have scaret and doro honestly so u have it way better than a lot of other people pushing story at 160level

[mild cipher]

this is the priority list for specials I was following when I asked what to level next (I cut it to my current standing so I should be leveling modernia skills and novel burst next). Should I interrupt this to level up sanis ? up to how much each skill ?

(modernia is like 8/9/7 and novel has burst 6 , they're not unleveled)

[digital delta]

Exia can be a good B1 if no need heal, but at this point I'd run N102.

[digital delta]

This looks wrong.

[mild cipher]

it's by snow

so

[digital delta]

Who sent you this?

@kind urchin bro what

You don't say this is for arena right

[mild cipher]

nono

for pve

[digital delta]

If this is for arena,it makes sense

If its pve it doesn tmake sense at all

[mild cipher]

guillotine for arena ? 🤔

[digital delta]

SKILL UPGRADE LIST
Not in order.

DPS/Semi-DPS List:

• Modernia S1 > S2
• Scarlet S1
• Dorothy S1 > B
• Liter B > S1
• SAnis S1 > S2 > B
• Privaty S1 (stop at 7)
• Alice B > S1 (OL first then stop upgrading when charge speed reaches cap)
• Guillotine S2
• Noir S1 > S2 (stop at 9)
• Maxwell S1 > B
• SnowWhite B > S1/S2
• Sugar S2 (stop at 5)

Support List

• Blanc B > S2 > S1
• Pepper B = S1
• SMary S1 > S2 > B
• Noise S2 > B > S1
• Rapunzel S1 > B > S2
• Helm S2 > B > S1
• Novel B
• Dolla S1 > S2
• SHelm S2

[mild cipher]

problem is I have a lot of those already on their right levels

:/

that list was made when I posted my current upgrade levels

[digital delta]

Upgrading anything other than what's shown above, except for Drake, Diesel, Poli, etc is trolling. Miranda is being obsolete, etc.

[digital delta]

What are the "right" levels?

[mild cipher]

since this foto noir went up to 9 on s2

and privaty 8 on s1

and now working on modernia and novel

[digital delta]

Your Mod isn't maxed.

[mild cipher]

yeah she's the next

[digital delta]

Privaty S1 should stop at 7.

[mild cipher]

that's why I asked if I should stop it and do sanis a bit

8 was snow suggestion

[digital delta]

That probably because his Resilience is not 7.

[mild cipher]

well it's fine not gonna reset her for 1 level

question stands , go for sanis levels now or not

[digital delta]

Oh, never mind, he's aiming for 109% reload speed.

It's pretty useless and not used in the current meta.

[digital delta]

Why is your Nihil 10/6/6

[mild cipher]

simp

[digital delta]

Mf u can simp but not max her

[mild cipher]

also she's on my current pvp teams and I find her useful in campaign

we cant do anything about those characters , reset is not available now

[digital delta]

Pepper 5 4 5, Rapu 5 5 5, Noise 5 5 5, Maxwell 10 5 10, Dolla 5 4 4, Guillo x 10 x, Diesel 5 5 3, Sugar 3 5 4, Mast 5 3 5, Power 10 x 10 (low priority).

I recommend resetting Nihil, then maxing Guillo.

And Modernia too.

Try to funnel burst manuals to achieve 5 on important units like Noise, Rapu, Pepper, then funnel everything into Maxwell.

[noble sun]

Plese keep things to summer Anis.

[digital delta]

I have derailed this topic a lot.

[mild cipher]

a lot

[digital delta]

I'm a major contributor anyways.

[mild cipher]

I just asked about sanis now or not

[digital delta]

Oh, wait, up SAnis first before finishing Mod and Guillo.

She holds the same priority as Scarlet right now.

Even higher.

[mild cipher]

yeah I know

so how much levels I should give her until working on something else

[digital delta]

Hmm

110% - Privaty S1 - Resilience = SAnis reload speed from S1

This is working number

S2 is just more dps

Its as important as whether its important to up Doro's burst

[wanton falcon]

So I should be fine already?

[rotund jolt]

has anyone mapped out the difference between Dolla and SHelm for Anis comp?

DPS wise Helm has higher MVs and stats than Dolla, but Dolla has some buffs , granted minor their still there

Over the course of a 3m fight Assuming 34 final bullet procs on Helm (assuming Priv on the comp with lvl 7 res), 11 bursts and 45 procs on her S2 ( in ST) it's 11,029.79mv from ime skills and burst (also assuming Helm burst everytime non Lighting weak)
Dollas Damage is 8074% also assuming she bursts all the tjme

[acoustic kite]

What's anis best team?

[noble sun]

anis scarlet privaty with b1 b2 flex

[wanton falcon]

I think Summer Anis is the first unit that I will want to 10/10/10. What point in the story should I reach to be able to 10/10/10 a unit?

[mild cipher]

s1 or s2 first for anis ?

[rotund jolt]

S1>

[mild cipher]

also she's already having 100% reload when bursting , do I need to put resilience on her for out of burst periods ? my resilience cube user list is kinda stacked :/

[wanton falcon]

So Anis is good with just one copy, yes? I don't need any copies on top of the initial one, since I'm a low spender (monthly $4.99 thingie)

[rotund jolt]

On Anis? Definitely, You don't want Bastion on her or Wingman cause more ammo bricks her

And I imagine most people Res and Bastion cubes are highest for base stats

[rotund jolt]

Yeah

[rotund jolt]

Pretty much every Nikke is 85% first copy

15% the rest

[mild cipher]

welp , im using scar alice dorothy guilty on that cube , I guess Ill have to remove one of the last 2

I would say dorothy but no idea

[rotund jolt]

Are they all in one comp?

Cause if not they can just share

You only need 4 slots at a time after all

[wanton falcon]

That's good. I shall invest in her exclusively from now, since I'm guessing she will also be a good unit apart from Top tier Waifu material

[hexed bison]

34 final bullet procs is quite low for a 3m fight

ar does 12 shots per second so she shoots 60 times in 5 seconds + 1 second reload time is 2 procs per 6 seconds or 1 proc per 3 seconds (without privaty buffing)

180 seconds / 3 seconds per proc = 60 procs

[rotund jolt]

Mmmmh can ya try is Testing range?

[rotund jolt]

Maybe fatigue is getting to me but that's the amount I got, using Priv on Res

[hexed bison]

what was the full team you used?

[rotund jolt]

Pepper Dolla Priv Scar SAnis, Priv is S10, on lvl 7 Res

[hexed bison]

i'll go use that team see what happens

[rotund jolt]

I tested 3 times now first I got 19 then 17 then 18 , decided to low ball and use the lowest value

And that's how I got 34 , 17(2)

[hexed bison]

ai seems to be fucking around with aiming a lot in testing range lol i have to manually keep priv on the boss

[rotund jolt]

Yeah I can see that on Auto but I let it roll cause in a real fight I won't manual Shelm

[hexed bison]

same but i hope that in a real fight there's a boss and not 20 wasps all the time

and you aim during burst cuz ai follows you

in my testing she procs once every 3 seconds

my priv skills are underleveled so it doesn't even budge

[rotund jolt]

How many total procs ya getting? Mmmh lemme try on Auto and see

[kindred frigate]

I guess burst lvls on ASS is low prio?

[rotund jolt]

True true testing range isn't simulating a boss fight to well either

[hexed bison]

i just played for like 20 seconds and emptied my magazine around once per 3 seconds

that's good enough for me to know that the theory is real in practice

[rotund jolt]

Fair fair

Mod SI tonight would reflect it better than range aswell cause 12 bullets per second is the RoF

[rotund jolt]

So assuming 60 procs on her S1 that's 7880.4 + 1813.13 from burst and 4465.56 from S2, that's 14,159.09 theoretical total MV in 3m

I'll wait for Helm to release to see damage from bullets themselves I think its pretty safe to assume Helm would deal more damage than Dolla

[hexed bison]

i didn't know this i must have missed the conversation about it

scarlet burst without sanis

scarlet burst with sanis

same numbers

sanis does not buff scarlet's burst

@river talon tested it

both times burst deals 1068794 non crit

[river talon]

I'm sure Scar has 5 stacks for both pic

[kind urchin]

Scarlet burst doesn't get affected by anis

The simple reason is that the buff applied AFTER full burst starts.

[hexed bison]

yeah it makes sense

scarlet's atk stat is checked the moment you press her burst button and not when the hit lands on the enemy

[kind urchin]

It's the same situation with nikkes like Maxwell etc

[south imp]

Anis outdamaged my 2-OL-Guillotine.

[kindred frigate]

mate you're using guil without mast lmao

of course she'll get dunked on

[south imp]

I dont have Mast

[hexed bison]

i think it's more that sanis in this test gets to make use of her full b2

there are always 2 targets

[south imp]

Any ideas how she performs in PvP?

[sullen abyss]

these team comparisons are getting out of hand lol

[digital delta]

Guys

What r u doing

We alr know the best team

SMary SHelm/Dolla SAnis Scar Privaty

[hexed bison]

#pvp-arena-discussion message

[devout lichen]

Dolla has better burst generation right?

[hexed bison]

how?

with manual play? just manual smary then

[red scarab]

Sniper has worst burst gen without manual right?

[devout lichen]

Yeah manual is assumed

[kindred frigate]

why are you rec smary over peppa anyway?

[digital delta]

Can use Pepper

But in my experience

SMary healing is more

And helps Guilty stack

[rotund jolt]

Not really fair on Guillotine side pepper is healing her, and Anis S2 is proccing twice instead of the usual once

[south imp]

Yes. But you need a healer or good shielder to keep her alive

[rotund jolt]

Ideally you want a tank not a healer, cause Guiltione wants to stay low HP

Noise basically

[south imp]

Any suggestions?

[rotund jolt]

Noise 100%

[south imp]

But Noise is 40s

[rotund jolt]

Yepp that's true

Another reason why Anis isn't ideal with Guillotine

Since no Noise = no Guiltione, majority of her damage will never be seen because everyone else heals her too much or requires you to play insanely risky

Like you could use Helm and only burst when you REALLY need to heal but that's reset fiesta

Opposed to being played with Anis , Guiltione ideally moves to her own team with Volume Noise Mast Guiltione And another B3 of your choosing (expect Helm ofc)

[hexed bison]

this sounds like a team waiting to be powercrept ngl

which is fine if it's the current strongest fourth/fifth team but i don't think it will last long term

[rotund jolt]

Guillotine has never been primary option tbh even post buff she was team 3, and her being moved to team 4 just solidifies that

[hexed bison]

just for a little while it looked like guillotine+scarlet could be a thing but sanis blew that idea out of the water

[rotund jolt]

That said it'll he quite sometime until she completely loses relevance cause this is a team 4 not 5 , we'd need 5 completely brand new Nikkes that outclass all them so much so you move on from Guiltione

[rotund jolt]

Tbh Scarlett just felt out of place in that comp , just my speculation but I do think SU plans for a proper beserker post Guiltione

[rotund jolt]

Also thing's like people not having every Nikke could make such a comp more relevant for them, but assuming someone has everything this is definitely something you only consider after team 3

[hexed bison]

yeah there's also shotguns to consider

if the work on the boss then that's a good team too

[rotund jolt]

Thankfully the pattern for bosses has been being so big SGs work

Majority of the time anyways

[digital delta]

What the fuck

Scarlet trembles in front of Maiden.

@torpid axle There is a chance that highly invested SAnis burst makes this team possible.

Tho its hard to say

@kind urchin too

[kind urchin]

What are you trying to achieve

[digital delta]

The removal of Priv in exchange of Maiden with high SAnis burst levels

[kind urchin]

Eh

Why would you do that

[kind urchin]

This team is barely surviving as it stands

Scarlet will keep killing herself cuz no heals in actual situations

[kind urchin]

I don't understand what you're trying to achieve

Maiden really doesn't deserve a spot here tbh

[digital delta]

The damage diff with Priv added in Rotation 2 is 3 last bullets versus 7 last bullets.

Maiden will surpass that

[kind urchin]

Maybe a 4OL maiden with invested skills will

But not a privaty who can just sit there with S1 at 8

Also, 109% reload speed

Kek @ maiden

[sterile citrus]

Blanc is held back by requiring noir.

[sterile citrus]

B1 and b3 position have stiff competition. If nior drops off blanc has to drop off

So if you have a b2 with good heal and another utility, heck they will got to the Sanis/scarlet team.but ya will look better than blanc

[kind urchin]

Noir is an insane support b3

[sterile citrus]

Sure. But like I said b3 is stiff competition

The moment nior don't fit, blanc don't fit

[kind urchin]

Anis is nowhere as close as noir

As a support

If you wanna add a DPS just add modernia scarlet or Alice in the flex slot

i.e. if you don't wanna run blanc in b2

What blanc+noir provide to the team is kindof fucked up

[sterile citrus]

Fucked up in a good way?

[kind urchin]

Yes

[kind urchin]

Lemme just list all of it

[sterile citrus]

Blanc is kinda well known. Heal plus shield plus dmg amp

And there is indom but idk how much ppl care about that outside pvp

[kind urchin]

Indom
Dmg taken debuff (most meta buff)
15% atk buff which can scale with OL (that too ATK value of an attacker)
Ammo capacity increase
Ammo refill
Hit rate
Shield like centi provides it
Max hp buff (to one ally)
Higher healing output than rapunzel (used to be most usable healer ingame lol)
Also think of indom as a revive basically

Interruption circle damage

This is 2 nikkes btw

Only 2

Add liter to the mix for campaign.
And add 2 DPS who will utilise all those buffs

Anis doesn't even come close to fitting in their league

[sterile citrus]

The one that's nior specifically is ammo refill, ammo cap up, hit rate and inturrupt right?

[kind urchin]

And atk up

[sterile citrus]

I thought Blanc has the dmg amp

[kind urchin]

Blanc has the dmg taken debuff which she applies on enemies

Noir has the atk up

[sterile citrus]

O I see

[kind urchin]

Also you get ALL of this every 20s cuz they join together

Seems like an unbeatable deal to me

Imagine if they had near-centi level burst gen

Nothing would ever come close

[craggy arrow]

I thought noir wasn’t final attack so her s1 does NOT scale with OL?

[hexed bison]

nobody's atk buff is final atk buff

[kind urchin]

Ol increases her atk stats cuz gear is better

[craggy arrow]

Ohhh made the connection now thx

[scarlet void]

what's her skill prio?

[rotund jolt]

1>2

[sullen abyss]

Damage taken is still absolutely ridiculous

So while a b2 healer is good, just that wouldn’t over take the damage taken buff

Like having noir as a requirement does “hamper” her, but it’s just a balancing factor for something that is utterly broken

[sterile citrus]

If you have room, sure use bunnies. But you might not have room when doing some sick combos

Do you chose more utility but not achieve your combo or do the combo and take less utility

[digital delta]

Specifically for Alteisen

Doro Novel Scar SAnis Priv might work

Just cus Im sure Alteisen has 0 damage

If u kill all parts

For teams with not enough attack,

taunter is needed.

[sullen abyss]

No guarantee those sick combos better than bunnies, but that’s what power creep is for

[kind urchin]

Damn man anis good

https://nikke.gg/anis-sparkling-summer-early-analysis/

Nikke.gg has released their review!

[red scarab]

Happy for her, and me

[mild cipher]

oh so she's also good in pvp ?

[hexed bison]

yes

[torpid axle]

requires heavy investment into her skills but yes

[red scarab]

Is she replacing Privaty on PvP? For 3rd team i mean

[torpid axle]

for attack teams I'd say 100% yes

for defense big maybe

[red scarab]

So for defense she still 50:50

[torpid axle]

yeah simply because SG = ez win for scarlet jackal still

[candid dust]

SAnis is pvp meta

[sullen abyss]

spvp defense even more worhtless now

sky's video on sanis really good as always

[formal night]

Yeah I’d probably say the highlighted box is probably the best team for Sanis, should also add Quency version too if you have her

[rancid saddle]

uhm

why are the numbers in low millions or hundreds of thousands?

I'm so confused

why are there decimals

is that really dps

per second?

so x180 for a 3min fight?

[candid dust]

Yeap heavy investment on her

Updated

[formal night]

yes

[sullen abyss]

best except no healer

so best in like theory

[formal night]

just dont get hit

[sullen abyss]

i'll let harvester no i dont want to getg hit

[formal night]

[digital delta]

No, it's not.

You can clearly see the DPS loss with SAnis and Scarlet.

It's not the best team for her.

[formal night]

it is

For any person with sense

[digital delta]

Up to you, if you don't want to listen.

[formal night]

Up to you, if you don't want to listen

the only way you're increasing their dmg, is by putting 3 highly contested units on the team gimping your 2 other teams

or you can get comparable dmg, with 2-3 other units other teams dont want

also Sky already added a Caveat that it's skewed in favor of dorothy since she's max invested, while his Mast and Volume are barely leveled

[digital delta]

You are aware that Gui's damage there is carried by Mast.

And she would do at least 1m without SAnis.

And no one can test Guillo's actual damage.

[formal night]

you are aware you're gimping 2 teams so you can get a 15% dmg increase on 1 team

[digital delta]

I never trust Guillotine + Mast damage test.

It's impossible.

Because of how Mast's burst works.

And I'll never trust any damage test that says Scar Dps < Gui's dps.

[formal night]

okay cool you dont play the game

the rest of us do

[digital delta]

You don't.

The rest of us do.

Up to you.

Prove it in solo raid.

[formal night]

yeah sure buddy, brick 2 teams so you can increase Sanis team by 15%

[digital delta]

I'll talk to Sky.

And get this sorted out.

To prove you're wrong.

[digital delta]

Compare Volume Mast and Volume Novel with Guillotine. You can see that Mast alone gives 30% DPS in that team.

[formal night]

I don't care who you talk to, it doesnt take a math genius to figure out putting 3 highly contested units on one team to increase it by 15% is not the correct play

[digital delta]

It does take a dumb person.

Because all geniuses would think I'm right.

You're true.

Nice!

I guess you're getting smarter. Thanks.

Also this assumes zero hits from boss, which is hyper-realistic. This also assumes boss has core, and is not of Water type, downplaying Scar's and SAnis' damage.

You know that the testing is wrong the moment that SAnis Gui rotations < Gui Scar, which makes no sense at all.

I did the maths again. The amount of DPS gain for SAnis with vs without Privaty, as I said last time, is around 30%. For Scarlet, it's around 20%-25% depending on your base max ammo. Note that Priv, on other teams, boost the team DPS also by around 15-25%, depending on the saturation of buffs.

• So, in rare cases where healers aren't needed, and enemy HAS core, then Guillotine might be better than Priv. This is because Guillo might have the highest DPS.

• In cases where SAnis is hyperinvested (elemental OL, etc), or enemy has NO core, and healers are needed, then Privaty is better. This is because Guillotine's damage will fall BEHIND Scarlet.

• In very specific cases, Maiden can replace Guillotine against no-core enemies, if healers are needed.

[sullen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[digital delta]

No, it's right.