[Anis: Sparkling Summer] New Unit Megathread

[open ravine]

[hexed bison]

if i get anis in a 10 pull

i'll try for helm

[open ravine]

AR tho

imagine being a AR unit

absolutely stinkers

[kind urchin]

Liter
Doro
Volume
Helm
Sakura
Dolla

There's 7 already

[kind urchin]

Scarlet doro

[open ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-gif-26382103

[open ravine]

guess why scarlet is getting obsolete

[kind urchin]

Not yet. We need another atker MG to kill her

[rotund jolt]

Rossana guys

Smh

[hexed bison]

i don't want to think it but i have the thought

that the devs tested anis on auto mode

and did not consider manually shooting her first reloaded bullet

[wraith blade]

I don't think they balance on PvE, but rather PvP

[hexed bison]

'we focus on pve' meanwhile

[sterile citrus]

Sakura never obsolete as long as SI train exist

[hexed bison]

maybe for beginners

i think veterans murder train and don't look 1 second at sakura

[kind urchin]

Oh yeah, maybe I'll try SW one shot sometime

She should be doing work

[rotund jolt]

The giving us a good Nikke man let's just take it

[rotund jolt]

Solo raid train

[hexed bison]

sorted by supporter b3

anis first of her ssr kind

why default helm gets to be an attacker i have no clue

[devout lichen]

So after reading the thread I have to ask: Has the napkin math ever failed before?

[digital delta]

??????????????????

bruh

Anis is meta

what year are you on

lmao

[kind urchin]

I'm talking about UR

[digital delta]

Helm is not meta

Anis is meta

[kind urchin]

You can't use anis everywhere

[digital delta]

SAnis right?

or Anis

[kind urchin]

Guillo and scar are higher priority than Anis in meta

So wherever you need heals
Anis doesn't fit in 3rd team

[digital delta]

you didnt check the damage calculation did you?

[sterile citrus]

Let's put it this way...ppl had to push out a whole new tier list after nikke first release cuz pre-launch tier list didn't account for half the roster having bugs

[digital delta]

bro you were so off

you were so slow

[kind urchin]

She's outdpsing scarlet and guillo??

[digital delta]

SAnis has damage higher than Scarlet even

plus

HElm is nowehre near meta

[rotund jolt]

The biggest miss would be beta to launch

[digital delta]

Helm is just meh except on Electric bosses

but CDR wise, she is still SS

for solo bossing

[ocean palm]

Ye, kinda crazy, and no ammo OL needed, so you can roll for more damage + some hit rate if you want

[rotund jolt]

After that it's been more accurate

[digital delta]

Anis is SSS+

[rotund jolt]

Each passing day Scarlett closer to the grave

[formal night]

pre launch build of the game vs release, isnt the same as napkin math vs real testing

[rotund jolt]

Crazy

[kind urchin]

Ye cdr insane

I wanna remove volume dolla and sakura from existence asap

[digital delta]

ask Gatrix for damage total

[sterile citrus]

As it should be

[rotund jolt]

Volume is decent tbh

[sterile citrus]

No one rules forever

[rotund jolt]

Sakura needa go though

40s CD unit for CDR is just awful

Especially when that's the only thing they do

[rotund jolt]

Did y'all end up mathing out how much DPS is lost without Priv?

[digital delta]

100% when other B3 bursts

14% during her burst

[rotund jolt]

Jesus

[digital delta]

otherwise no damage difference

so overall

dps diff is around

10s where she deals 100% more + 10s where she deals 14% more + 12secs of the same damage

10 * 2 + 10 * 1.4 + 12 = 46

/32

[rotund jolt]

That's quite alot of damage holy

[digital delta]

43.75% more DPS

[rotund jolt]

Now Priv wants Anis and Dororthy

But the 3 can't be in one team

[kind urchin]

Dorothy doesn't require priv

She just needs lvl10 s1

[digital delta]

Dorothy doesnt really need priv

[rotund jolt]

Lvl 10 S1 mmmh

That's doable actually

If that's the case then this is big

[formal night]

I got a question

[sterile citrus]

For all the filthy casuals, is SAnis promoted to meta?

[formal night]

wdym Anis was meta before her kit came out

[sterile citrus]

But her kit is out

[formal night]

now she isnt meta she IS the meta

[hexed bison]

hopefully i can get away with 10/10/4 anis

don't really want to 10 another burst

[digital delta]

you dont need to level her burst if u use Priv tho

[devout lichen]

Does this mean I can whale to MLB and not regret it?

[sterile citrus]

Wait like 1 week. In case of bugs

[sturdy dew]

Thread started off with must pull then spiraled into whatever the fuck this is

[kind urchin]

It never went away from must pull

We're just trying to find more ways to justify it

[digital delta]

yeah SAnis damage is just insane

Idk what theyre thinking

lmao

she is easily a dps

[sharp garnet]

thats what i said like 5 hours ago

and u guys all said i was wrong

[formal night]

thread started off as must pull support, now were seeing how she is as dps

2 different angles

[pale umbra]

Angels

[digital delta]

only with privaty

[hexed bison]

tbf you are wrong we had to wait until the math ppl said it was right

you said 400%

[sharp garnet]

then ur fucking dumb, i did the math in my head

[pale umbra]

Me onw to use both Priv and Anus

Scarlet will be speed

[sharp garnet]

you guys just realizing Sanis is gonna be insane damage now are just a buncha sheep

[royal shell]

What do you mean “you guys”

[pale umbra]

Right

[formal night]

What do you mean “you guys”

[pale umbra]

You fellas

[thin tulip]

How many helms tho

[pale umbra]

0

Garbo

[rotund jolt]

The messiah

[sharp garnet]

im just ahead of the curve

[rotund jolt]

You guys

[hexed bison]

if you wanna play the 'first' game

i'm the first one who said anis + priv

[rotund jolt]

Meanwhile the first thread is deadge

I mean helm

[pale umbra]

We love Anus

[formal night]

[hexed bison]

lol

[rotund jolt]

the people have chosen

[pale umbra]

Helm bush is gone so is my love

[formal night]

where's Unholy when you need them

[rotund jolt]

her kit is just boring man

[pale umbra]

^

[rotund jolt]

Like she's good don't get me wrong but

[hexed bison]

yeah nothing to discuss

but as long as it works

[rotund jolt]

Everyone understands CDR

[pale umbra]

Dawg

[digital delta]

one scary thing is

[pale umbra]

I don't even understand crit

[digital delta]

u cant run her with Priv

because the max ammo goes below 0%

[pale umbra]

?

[formal night]

[rotund jolt]

Surely Shift Up can code it such that it never drops below 1

Surely

[hexed bison]

infinite reload

[digital delta]

so dont level her burst too much

[hexed bison]

we need a skill that triggers on reload

[harsh forge]

[digital delta]

just saying

lmao

[sharp garnet]

you dont even need to run priv with her its a waste

[digital delta]

thats what I said

and calculation says otherwise

are you trying to use my weapon against myself now?

[sharp garnet]

what calculation, u can see the numbers

[digital delta]

[sharp garnet]

literally u can reach 100% reload without her

and you can reach 1 ammo reload

[pale umbra]

If it goes below 0% that means infinite ammo baby

[royal shell]

This is all theory though right

[hexed bison]

[phone] ammo

[harsh forge]

Every other burst

[rotund jolt]

Knowing shift up 0 ammo will bug the game

[harsh forge]

With priv it every burst

[royal shell]

So, who tf is actually gonna know until she’s released. Wont know

[rotund jolt]

Feels crafting is always right

[pale umbra]

We are running simulations

[hexed bison]

very easy to craft though just 1+1 math

[rotund jolt]

Yeah you don't need a calculator to tell ya that

another W thing about Anis is her kit wording isn't ambiguous

[royal shell]

[rotund jolt]

Like Nero or Dorothy

[harsh forge]

Also if -100% ammo is somehow bugged then you can just not use anis burst at all

[rotund jolt]

please don't speak another SNeon into existence

[hexed bison]

we aren't losing much

[royal shell]

So skip anis burst if that’s the case

[hexed bison]

just 42% strong element

[digital delta]

"JUST"

surely it either defaults to 1

or it is multiplicative

[sharp garnet]

if you skip anis burst and just use priv minus 50.66% ammo reduction she still has 2 shots

per reload

[royal shell]

Is this just based around her S2(SAnis)

[subtle tusk]

-100% ammo. her bullet goes through the void when she inserts it.

[harsh forge]

Its 1

You can test it with pepper + priv

[sharp garnet]

depends on how the rounding is done no?

[rotund jolt]

Pretty sure it'll default to 1 regardless

It makes no sense to have 0 ammo

[harsh forge]

Its SU

You never know

[sharp garnet]

it makes more sense to have it at 0 ammo

-100% = 0

[marble cosmos]

So if i had one guaranteed, Anis or Helm?

[digital delta]

Scar with 1 ammo

Guillotine with 1 ammo

[rotund jolt]

I mean gameplay wise

It's bricking you for having a buff

That's just pepega

[open ravine]

[digital delta]

Remember Dorothy

Her multiplier actually is higher than SAnis

There are 2 problems

@open ravine Does Doro S2 and burst benefit from Full Burst bonus?

And no.2 SAnis buffs her own attack AND elemental damage

Now u know

[harsh forge]

Burt just snapshot your attack before you cas it iirc

And don't benefit from anything else

[digital delta]

Huh

You can hit like 14-15 shots

Per burst

That alone is

[open ravine]

it should, yup.

[digital delta]

614.02%

[digital delta]

You sure?

Im sure it doesnt

[open ravine]

yuh. just tested it as well

[harsh forge]

[digital delta]

For her burst too?

When does the 1.5x multiplier kick in then?

[open ravine]

burst doesn't get affected by FB

her s2 does though

[digital delta]

I see

So comparison

[open ravine]

No EM bonus from burst either

very unsure if s2 benefits, most likely it does

[digital delta]

Dorothy: 8900% brand + 1080% from S2 * 1.5 + basic attack

Anis (full burst without Priv): 155% * 614% per shot * 15 * 1.5 * 152.24%.

[digital delta]

Ah shit I should have rerolled in last SR

Fuck I COULD HAVE GOTTEN 600 MORE GEMS

I THOUGHT IT BENEFITS HER

:/

[digital delta]

32600% against Water

🙂

21413% against non-Water

Now normally you can get that damage only every 40s

But with Priv

You can get that every 20s

And it becomes

- Anis (full burst with Priv lv 7) against non-Water:
177% * 614% per shot * 15 * 1.5 = 24452%

- Anis (full burst with Priv lv 7, in her burst) against Water:
37226%

In comparison Dorothy is around 11000-13000%

What about Scarlet?

Around 324% per 12 shots per second, get 1.5x full burst buff, but it can core hit (depends on boss)

[open ravine]

scarlet obsolete

[digital delta]

Oh wait

I multiplied 2x

Lmao

486% per sec

With 115% attack buff

1045% per sec

Do your own maths and see

[digital delta]

Eh not really

She still deals tons of dmg and with elm damage, she will shine

[sharp garnet]

I said all this 5 hours ago

[digital delta]

Im so afraid of powercreeping

I once wasted my gems in a Nikke called Mast

[hexed bison]

scarlet relegated to arena

[digital delta]

When I had 160 ordinaries

[kind urchin]

Well not really

Can't put a replacement on instant screen clear

[digital delta]

I also wasted gems on a Nikke called NERO

When I had 160 ordinaries

[kind urchin]

That's the only use of scarlet in my books now

[thin tulip]

Isn’t scarlet better with Sanis

[digital delta]

Scarlet still does tons of damage

[digital delta]

She is

By 28%

[kind urchin]

Not top 3 team material tho

[digital delta]

Wait

Hang on

[thin tulip]

So what makes scarlet obsolete if she’s better here

[digital delta]

No

My math is wrong

[kind urchin]

She just got outdpsed

Only use is in 3rd team with
Volume diesel scar guillo anis

[thin tulip]

Who’s ahead now

[digital delta]

Actually

No her DPS

Is boosted by 33%

Scarlet

By SAnis

That is with 47 ammo + Resil

If u have 20 ammo only

Its more than 100%

@lofty stream My Scar calculation at 28% dps buff uses Scar at 150 ammo

[thin tulip]

How many teams are we talking about, and who has overtaken her in the main comps

[digital delta]

No wonder

[kind urchin]

3 teams

[digital delta]

Scar damage matches SAnis for 10s

When SAnis bursts

Both of them have the same damage for 10s

[kind urchin]

Sw mw
Alice modernia
Guillo scar Anis

3 teams for ur

Maybe

[kind urchin]

Wel theres some shifting around I would do personally

But yeah

[digital delta]

So Scarlet is pretty much SAnis

Since both have the same damage

Problem is

SAnis still can scale with Attack OL

Scarlet can scale with Elemental OL

SAnis is more versatile

[kind urchin]

SAnis is also buffing guillo tho

[digital delta]

Scarlet cant scale with ATK

[digital delta]

No

Wait

WAIT

[kind urchin]

Wdym wait mf

[digital delta]

I also did the maths wrong

[sterile citrus]

So scar isn't obsolete if she's in your 3 team still

[kind urchin]

Well scar is there only if survival isnt a problem

If survival is a problem and diesel alone isn't cutting it
Goodbye scar

[digital delta]

Guillotine is only 34% damage boost, when Scar is 50% damage boost

Wdym

Gui is bad for SAnis

Scar legit gains 50% dps boost

Ure trolling

Gui doesnt work

Cus she is MG

Reload doesnt work

MG scales best with max ammo

U dont need reload speed

Most people have Guillo at 700 ammo

Add Bastion

That is around 1000 ammo

That is too long shooting

She doesnt benefit from SAnis' reload at all

And Gui will surely die in that team anyways

[kind urchin]

What I'm saying is that anis is doing scarlet level damage and also buffing guillo

While scar is only doing anis level damage

Get it?

[digital delta]

?

[kind urchin]

Isn't that what you said

Scar and anis have equal dps

[digital delta]

SAnis and Scar only have the same DPS if Privaty is used with SAnis.

[kind urchin]

What if there is no privaty

[digital delta]

Without Priv she has 100%, with Priv she becomes 143.75%

You sure?

[kind urchin]

Bro I'm not sure I'm just going off on what you're telling me

If anis = scarlet in terms of dps

Then anis > scarlet cuz of utility

[digital delta]

SAnis benefits from Privaty A LOT.

[kind urchin]

So scarlet gets pushed down

[sturdy dew]

Am I having a stroke or are you guys exaggerating about scarlet being worthless now?

[digital delta]

With Privaty, SAnis > Scarlet, a lot.

[hexed bison]

yes lol

[kind urchin]

We're doing it on purpose

[hexed bison]

even if we get a direct powercreep to scarlet

[sturdy dew]

Good god

[hexed bison]

then scarlet is still really fucking good

[kind urchin]

Don't worry, let us cook

[sturdy dew]

Lmao you guys giving me a heart attack

[kind urchin]

We'll explain later

[digital delta]

This is our calculation.

[thin tulip]

Do you think they buffed anis over helm cause helm has the better aesthetics ?

[sturdy dew]

2bigbraim4me

[kind urchin]

Without privaty
Is anis still scarlet level good

[kind urchin]

Anis is the main character

And they learned from neon

Is what I think

[thin tulip]

Neon was so bad

[digital delta]

Scar alone in 10s is 100m (30% core accuracy, 47 ammo, Resilience WITH Priv), and SAnis alone in 10s is 160m (discounting elemental bonus, range bonus, 0 core hits, with PRIV).

[thin tulip]

I only got one copy

[kind urchin]

Ok so SAnis > scarlet.

Which means scarlet gets pushed down to flex slot or 4th team since not only is anis outdpsing scarlet, she is buffing guillotine.

[hexed bison]

you can't be serious 3 UR teams no scar?

[kind urchin]

BRO REMOVE PRIVATY

[digital delta]

No

[kind urchin]

I'll explain lat3r

[digital delta]

Scarlet goes with her

Since she gets 50% dps boost with her + Priv

Are u trolling

Acrually trolling

[kind urchin]

Bro but scarlet and anis can't match guillotine dps

Can they?

[digital delta]

Oh, if they are together?

They both outdps Guillotine.

Let me check.

[rotund jolt]

Practically it's highly unlikely

[kind urchin]

Check what's higher

Guillo Anis
Or
Scar anis

[rotund jolt]

AoE burst just too good at bypassing mechanics

[hexed bison]

i can see it

alice team and modernia team and snowwhite team maybe a combination of the 2 with alice + mod w/e and then lastly an anis team

[rotund jolt]

Guillotine and Anis aren't strong enough to bypass things that want AoE

[kind urchin]

We're just talking about in terms of pure DPS on bosses like gd where survival isn't a problem

[rotund jolt]

Pure DPS I agree with ya 100%

[kind urchin]

And everything goes works since pierce is also there.
Gd is the perfect testing ground.

[digital delta]

Guillo Anis is higher (if enemy has core), but DPS improvement wise, Scar is better.

Gui increases by 35%.

If enemy has core.

Scar increases by 50%.

[kind urchin]

We don't care about dps improvement we care about final result so
Good

[digital delta]

Dps improvement is what u shud care

Lmao

It shows how effective units are

[hexed bison]

🤓 #math_club

[thin tulip]

Where would summer helm fit in this three team meta

[hexed bison]

in the team that fights electric

no electric? no ur use

[sterile citrus]

Elysion tower

[kind urchin]

Team 3 for cdr possibly

[rotund jolt]

Strom Bringer UR

[thin tulip]

I think summer helm is actually a good unit but it doesn’t have “generalist” utility like summer anis does

[rotund jolt]

The general use for her is CDR

[thin tulip]

So if someone actually invests in it, they can show up for elec bosses but summer anis is 1000x better

[kind urchin]

And also against any electric boss

[rotund jolt]

Which is arguably more powerful than Anis

Anis support doesn't work without electric meanwhile Helm just works

[hexed bison]

helm is downgrade to dolla though

[thin tulip]

I’ll try to not derail this thread as we’re focusing on anis, but in that case dolla would be used over summer helm, in a 3 team setup

[kind urchin]

Think of team 3 possibilities like:

Volume diesel scar guillo anis
B1 helm scar/anis guillo noise

[hexed bison]

without specific encounter

[kind urchin]

Stuff like this

[thin tulip]

So summer anis would def be the backbones for a new team

[kind urchin]

I suppose so

[rotund jolt]

Yeah for UR slots are fill atm

[kind urchin]

Eh

[hexed bison]

anis making team 3 is very good then i can confidantly pull her knowing that it will take a while before she's booted from soloraid

[rotund jolt]

Though It would be Volume used as third CDR Nikke over Dolla

[digital delta]

Wdym slors are full

[kind urchin]

Dolla is highly replaceable

[digital delta]

Scar SAnis Priv

[thin tulip]

What do you run for SW team then

[digital delta]

Will outdmg at least 1 team

In UR

[rotund jolt]

Speaking for CDR Nikkes specifically

[digital delta]

Oh

[rotund jolt]

It's between Liter Dorothy Volume /Dolla atm

Helm isn't changing anything

[digital delta]

Wrong

[rotund jolt]

Unless Lightning

[digital delta]

It's Liter Dorothy Dolla/SHelm

[thin tulip]

Which team do you run dolla or shelm on

[digital delta]

This team

Scarlet Priv SAnis

[rotund jolt]

I am a Xanne Dolla believer

[digital delta]

With SW:

Liter Blanc Alice Max Noir
Dorothy Novel SW Helm Mod
Healer Dolla/SHelm Scar SAnis Priv

SW, electric boss variant:
Liter Blanc Alice Max Noir
Dorothy SHelm SW Helm Mod
Healer Dolla Scar SAnis Priv

[hexed bison]

wow novel still meta smh

powercreep when

[rotund jolt]

personally I'm looking forward to her for SW comp

So I have less problems dealing with projectiles

[kind urchin]

Well obviously

How will you replace 66% dmg debuff

[hexed bison]

idk when will the game give me novel

[rotund jolt]

100% damage debuff

Anniversary

[digital delta]

No need Novel

If boss is electric with parts

Tho which electric has parts?

Gravedigger electric?

[royal shell]

[rotund jolt]

Bird

[hexed bison]

gravedigger part 1 has parts

and uuh

idk who else

[digital delta]

Yeah

Ok so

[peak swallow]

material h

[formal night]

actually scratch all of that

its wrong

if you saw what I typed you didnt

[hexed bison]

lol

[kindred frigate]

we only have hours left until she hits the beach bois

[hexed bison]

a bunch of stuff to consider is that support gear also has like 18% less atk per piece

and i bet bond level ups give less atk too

[formal night]

16.67% less

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-um-actually-nerd-actually-um-gif-26028792

[formal night]

oh so the reason I deleted the post is because I use the ingame nikke database for stat stuff

I was not aware that the ingame database has the units at max core

and with removing the max core stuff

its actually very forgiving

ngl

also it might put Anis in a better position now

[hexed bison]

if a supporter has 16,67% less atk

how come getting mlb (+15%) makes up for the 16,67%? where does the extra 1.67 come from

[formal night]

dont think nikkepedia units have gear on

and theres no way to check

[hexed bison]

if you mlb anis

her base atk goes up

meaning she gives more atk to scarlet

scarlet's atk is more when you have mlb anis in the party

i alr thought it was weird how you somehow managed to make up the 16,67% deficit with only a 15% increase lol

quick math don't see how it would differ from this unless bonds are included

but then again it's possible

if it's 5% off of her current stats

so 100% to 105% to 5% off of 105%

[formal night]

we know, the point isnt comparing their attack values

[hexed bison]

does each lb / core up increase from the base or does it increase from the current stat?

[formal night]

the point is seeing how much do copies increase Anis' attack buff. and comparing it to a regular attack buff

base stats

well the answer I was looking for is if MLB was even worth going for

given she's a supporter

[hexed bison]

do you happent o know how much atk 10 levels of bond give?

maybe it's significant maybe it's shit

[formal night]

thats what im going to look into in a bit

but yeah gear is 16.67% difference

[ember lantern]

I was thinking dorothy/mast/scarlet/guillotine/and sanis would make a pretty good team

[kindred frigate]

pribooty with ASS is too much of a meme to not try out at least once tbh

[pine tree]

you should be letting guillotine and ASS burst instead of scarlet

unless you got to have a screenwipe

[lofty stream]

you give her more stat so she can deal more DPS

who cares about someone deals 1/3 of your dmg kek

[open ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-rollin-they-see-me-gif-23475574

how's this thread doing now

[lofty stream]

She is the best sup for your team

By casually dealing more than 2 to 3 times your own dps

[brittle matrix]

how much atk difference between support 10 bond vs 30 bond ?

[lofty stream]

Very big, like... 1000

It is fixed number

[open ravine]

Truly that is true support utility

Dealing more damage than the people you're supporting

[balmy spoke]

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/bond-ranks

[balmy spoke]

that happens a lot if one fails elementary school math and tries to do x * 0.71 instead of the correct one x / 1.29

[brittle matrix]

[kindred frigate]

it begins folks, 7 hours for anis to put on a micro bikini and get enough counters sweat ammo

[hexed bison]

7h + extension

[royal shell]

See you folks at reset.

[sullen abyss]

cant wait to get my sanis after reset

[brazen mango]

Having Scar/guillotine/mast, etc. Has me wondering if I should MLB but I'm so tight on resources it might not be possible

[red adder]

That Skill 2 is insane with all her other buffs

[formal night]

Inb4 she’s bugged half her kit doesn’t work, never fixed and nerfed after release like biscuit

[blazing mulch]

It would be funny if after all these discussions actual testing yields disappointing results

[royal shell]

[lofty stream]

if my Maths stand correct

she won't even see other dps

Doro, bunnies, Anis and Privaty it is

[sullen abyss]

Ima run my sanis solo with Alice privaty

[kindred frigate]

the biggest W is she eats up all of your less-used nikkes leaving Scarlet and Modernia for other teams

[mortal holly]

bad idea, ammo+ from noir gonna grief you

[formal night]

Me when Anis

[lofty stream]

damn true

novel it is then

[mortal holly]

[kindred frigate]

I'm running out of synchro slots..

[lofty stream]

just open more

[mortal holly]

500 gems per slot so cheap

[pine tree]

i synchro every nikke except Rs

[lofty stream]

I skipped SR too except Anis

[digital delta]

MLB gives 2%

Where is the 5% from?

Unless it's bond

[formal night]

Cores give 2%

[formal night]

First 3 dupes are 5%

[lofty stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920857551669706765/1099164604208263238/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920857551669706765/1099164720684089434/image.png

my Maxwell, from 0 star to 1 star

5% where?

[kind urchin]

Limit breaks are direct additive values

But they give bond levels so it's a bit more than that

[sullen abyss]

Yea factoring bond levels in might get you to 5%?

[digital delta]

No?

[lofty stream]

may be 5% from this?

I don't even know what those numbers mean

[rancid saddle]

so it scales worse the higher your synchro is?

[lofty stream]

just screenshot 3 of them (before, after, and the table between them)

[kind urchin]

Yes

[rancid saddle]

honestly that's a bit retarded

[lofty stream]

for that direct values, do you have any evidence for it?

[lofty stream]

I'm pretty sure this is not 5%

also as I said, I don't even know what those numbers in these screens mean and how they reflect into real stat shown in profile

may be they are lv 1 value?

[formal night]

its not 2% either

[digital delta]

Its 2% + some constant

Proven by Lorax

[lofty stream]

I see

Can you point me the source

take this a token of regards

[digital delta]

#research-results message

Core is goated

[lofty stream]

no wonder it tampered with the numbers

2% and flat

[digital delta]

My to-do list:

• OL all SAnis gear, aim for 4 attack or elemental lines. Head and glove priority.
• Reroll Gui's elemental damage value (11% is eh).
• Reroll to get Attack rolls for Dorothy.
• OL Noir Gloves (more attack for other units?)
• OL Maxwell? (not built yet, least important)

Stones: 39 (refund the 4 from Alice pls)

[prisma steppe]

My stones: 0

[sullen abyss]

my to do list, ignore gui and sanis and finish my other units and then come back to them

[kindred frigate]

WE'RE IN.

[analog totem]

Anyone test run SAnis?

I wanna know if it's worth pulling now that she's out

[kindred frigate]

Ok hold on

SHE'S NOT CLIP SHOTGUN

[hexed bison]

she is in her gameplay trailer

nerfed?

or not and was she bursting and that's why

fooled by her burst!

[kindred frigate]

Instead of firing last bullet every 3 bullets she does it every 5. She's fine, but it's still a bummer. She can still get down to like 2 bullets with pribooty. She's not bad, but she's not as busted as we believed. This is with 4/4/4 and lvl 0 t9m

I repeat, she's not a clip shotty

[rotund jolt]

Feels bad

[hexed bison]

our whole copium powercreep hinged on the clip

and it's not

[frigid hemlock]

her damage comparable to Dorothy tho, did you do manual?

[hexed bison]

[kindred frigate]

manual, and look at her power score again

She's going to do MORE than Dorothy if invested

[frigid hemlock]

How invested you are right now?

[digital delta]

yeah the damage is inline with my and @lofty stream calculation

[frigid hemlock]

I saw tim's stream, and her damage is equal to scarlet

[kindred frigate]

that's an invested ASS my man

I'm not a whel

so she's still a fat fucking pull

[digital delta]

shes not OLed

[kindred frigate]

was talking about tim's ASS. Mine's not even Oled, not even a piece

[digital delta]

Tim is dealing 50% more than Scar

[rotund jolt]

😭 not Scarlett

[kindred frigate]

People are going to be ecstatic

[digital delta]

and her skill is 7/7/7

lmao

u sure

[kindred frigate]

so at whel level, she's like, another fat fucking dps I think

[red scarab]

SAnis worth MLB right? Maybe must MLB for her skill 1 potential

[cedar grail]

she's also MLB for tim

[kindred frigate]

I'm saving my gold ticks for the next pilgrim

[frigid hemlock]

I love fat DPS Anis

[kindred frigate]

hit my face with that red hood on anni Shitup

[analog totem]

hmmm is it worth with 1 copy?

im thinking of pulling SHelm because of VA

but Anis seems on the fence for me

[cedar grail]

might as well wait a bit longer, she's only been out for 30 minutes lmao

[kindred frigate]

tim's fat ASS

note that this is in the shooting range and anis is manual, so there are +2 targets for s2

[rotund jolt]

So realistically we can expect her to match Scarlett

[red scarab]

Damn outdpsing Scarlet

[rotund jolt]

Or be less depending on range and pallet spread

[sullen abyss]

i mean lets be honest though

[rotund jolt]

Thats pretty insane

[sullen abyss]

scarlet hadn't bursted in that image

[prisma steppe]

guys it doesnt matter that its manual

shes not clip shotgun

[harsh forge]

Does he use scarlet burst?

[rotund jolt]

Is he bursting with Scarlett?

[sullen abyss]

so you would esxpect, wehn anis is in her steroid mode, and scarlet hasn't done her burst she'd have higher damage

[rotund jolt]

I'm assuming not

[sullen abyss]

no this is after the first rotation

[rotund jolt]

I mean otherwise

[sullen abyss]

so that image is misleading

[red scarab]

Maybe we must test it against solo boss

[rotund jolt]

Blacksmith IG

[sullen abyss]

can test it in si

[kindred frigate]

Oh I saw the 1 minute mark and thought that was after the second rot

[rotund jolt]

But he also inflates

But with SI if we compare clear times

[kindred frigate]

ok but good news is, since she's not a clip shotty

we don't need to manual her anymore

[frigid hemlock]

She's not clip shotgun? how many bullet does she had?

[sullen abyss]

my alice sanis privaty team perfect now

i can just manual alice

[harsh forge]

5

[rotund jolt]

5

[harsh forge]

[red scarab]

Tbh, i don't understand this clip shotgun etc, what does that mean?

[sullen abyss]

clip shotguns reload in 3 stages vs one

[harsh forge]

Last minute nerf

[kindred frigate]

tldr is that they're just plain better all the time

[harsh forge]

We should have stayed silent

[sullen abyss]

this means they generate more energy, and also allows you to manual them to manipulate skill procs

[devout lichen]

So this is a huge nerf to her potential damage, no?

[kindred frigate]

got another test result from another one of my pals

MLB ASS
Gear manufacturer head and shoes LV 0 and vanilla arm & body LV 3
Bond level 0
Skills 6/4/4
Manual play, against blacksmith, clear time only slightly slower than using bunnies (sub 1 minutes), she's deal Guilty (with 2 overload) tier damage.

[frigid hemlock]

Prevent Manual abuse I guess

[zinc anchor]

wait summer Anis has problems already?

[sullen abyss]

yes it means outside of burst she wont proc her nuke as much

it basically means you need privaty

cause in her burst she gets to the 1 ammo requirement

but outside of it nope

[kindred frigate]

nah, not even with privbooty she gets to 1 ammo, she has 5 base remember

[sullen abyss]

in timaeus stream he had 1 ammo

[prisma steppe]

nope with privaty she does gets to 1 ammo

tested it

[sullen abyss]

so he was doing something

[lucid shadow]

2

[prisma steppe]

anis gotta burst dood

[rotund jolt]

it's 1 if you burst with Anis

[spark kindle]

she only gets to 1 ammo when she bursts

[kindred frigate]

how?

[spark kindle]

2 if she isn't bursting

[kindred frigate]

oh yeah if she bursts

[sullen abyss]

yea so like i was saying, if you burst with anis its 1 lol

[kindred frigate]

forgot that she can do that

[bleak sage]

Liter is bad with anis cause up ammo capacity

[devout lichen]

So the paper math still works but it's every other burst.

[kindred frigate]

yeah, but you can use liter now with your other teams

[rotund jolt]

Yeah now since no clip Noir and Liter out the question

Pepper actually pretty good B1 for her

[sullen abyss]

liter + bunnies is like a required combo at this point

[hexed bison]

from mast gameplay video clearly clip reloading 3-6-9

well tbf it's not the first time early gameplay trailers showcased nikke functioning differently haha

[rotund jolt]

Since the team already runs Priv

[spark kindle]

last minute nerfs

[kindred frigate]

that's misleading advertising. I know some whels are going to be extra mad about that

[hexed bison]

tbf it is mast gameplay

not sanis

[rotund jolt]

But you see the ad always says not indictive of final product

[hexed bison]

sanis just happened to be in it

[rotund jolt]

They can be mad but it won't amount to nothing

Cooperate always wins

[harsh forge]

She is clip in her promo too

[hexed bison]

well then

riot!

[kindred frigate]

count the shots folks

[devout lichen]

Definitely a last minute change

[kindred frigate]

admi+pribooty

[hexed bison]

they saw us chatting

went uh oh

changed a value from clip to normal

[sullen abyss]

can';t just power creep that much

[kind urchin]

Ayoo

Thats nice

[kindred frigate]

at least they still let us get to 1 ammo with pribooty

[spark kindle]

she was still a clip SG when they dropped anchor's promo video 2 days ago

[rotund jolt]

this looks similar to just running Priv and Anis

Looks like SG really don't benefit for over capping Reload speed

[kindred frigate]

you can just run priv. Admi's cute but she isn't needed here yeah

[kind urchin]

16 shots => 32 shots of 300% damage

[rotund jolt]

figured

Feels bad Cause no Xmas Ruppe aswell

[kind urchin]

That's 9600% DPS output when two or more units

But only 4800% DPS output when one unit (like a boss)

4800% + whatever 16 shots do

Against solo bosses

Damn

Priv necessary

[rotund jolt]

The S2 procs alone are double Guillotine Burst

[kind urchin]

What is anis base ammo?

[rotund jolt]

5

[harsh forge]

Prolly not necessary if you lvl up burst enough

[kind urchin]

At lvl10 burst, anis has 73.92% ammo reduc

[kindred frigate]

Base 5
Gets to 2 with Priv
Gets to 1 with Priv+Personal Burst

[kind urchin]

She goes to one herself at lvl 10 burst (I think)

[lofty stream]

since she's not clip reload

it lowers her dmg from my sheet, by a lot

[analog hearth]

I take it she has nonclip energy gen too now

[lofty stream]

expect 3, see 5

I'm dead inside

[kind urchin]

What if 100% reload speed

[lofty stream]

then it stays at 1

[kind urchin]

Cuz lvl10 s1 and lvl7 resi cube = 100% reload speed

[lofty stream]

actually you just need 70% reload speed

you just need a lot of ammo reduction though

[kindred frigate]

she's already pulling impressive numbers, imagine if she's a clippy

[digital delta]

they nerfed her

[lofty stream]

Privaty alone = 2

[digital delta]

ye

[lofty stream]

come to think of it

[digital delta]

actually

[lofty stream]

since she reloads at 2 and not clip

she needs 90% reload speed

[digital delta]

her dps falls slightly

[kind urchin]

Ok yeah
50% from herself
29% from resi

It's 79%

[lofty stream]

needs 11% more

the concept is like this

SG always shoot every 0.67s

[kind urchin]

So she needs privaty

[lofty stream]

this doesn't care if you are reloading

moving in/out cover

as long as you keep those time within 0.67s

it has no issue

so as long as your reload speed is lower than 0.67s - 0.46 = 0.21s

then you are fine

which is, 90% reload speed

0.46s are 2 times moving in/out of cover

[harsh forge]

Her burst is another 27%

[kind urchin]

Oh

That makes it 100+

[lofty stream]

it's not like you always burst with her

but Privaty yes

better pair her with Privaty

[hexed bison]

want to have it every other burst too without her own

[digital delta]

they know she was too op

nerfed her

lmao

HHAHAA

[lofty stream]

yeah

[kind urchin]

First thing I wanna know is does she have 1 ammo at lvl10 burst

[lofty stream]

she looks more reasonable now

[kind urchin]

Then I'll consider the rankings

[harsh forge]

I mean you need priv for 2 ammo offburst anyway

[lofty stream]

mine is at lv 5. With privaty, it becomes 1

throw liter in to make it 2

[kind urchin]

@open ravine

[lofty stream]

[kindred frigate]

She did look rather unreasonable for a limited unit there

[lofty stream]

but hey, the atk buff is great

[kind urchin]

Yeah she's overall a great nikke

[rotund jolt]

She looked unreasonable in general

[kind urchin]

Definitely S+

[rotund jolt]

[lofty stream]

I mean, Liter

[digital delta]

there is a bug

[open ravine]

oh ok, let me pull out my 10,000 burst skill mats

[lofty stream]

[open ravine]

stfu

[digital delta]

bro

her S2

[kind urchin]

If she has 1 ammo at lvl10 burst and is giving herself 107% reload speed

I think it's pretty much an SS rating from me

[digital delta]

her S2 doesnt trigger

against Blacksmith

fuck u

[lofty stream]

109% to make it work

wait why

[digital delta]

I dont see bonus dmg

I was wodnering

[kind urchin]

Her S2 damage is halved

[digital delta]

why she is so shit

[kind urchin]

I don't think we see Dorothy S2 damage either

[digital delta]

nhuh

[digital delta]

its not halbed

tho

wdym halved

only weapons change

[kind urchin]

Whose s2 are you talking about

In talking about anis s2

[open ravine]

hehe. funny

[digital delta]

level 1

[kind urchin]

Wtf

[digital delta]

....

haha

funny

[lofty stream]

casually flexing

[digital delta]

very funny

[lofty stream]

[acoustic kite]

Still OP or nerfed?

[kind urchin]

OP

[lofty stream]

eh

think of it as official

[kind urchin]

Well, balanced but towards metaside

[lofty stream]

all the theory we made last night were assumption she was clip reload

which she isn't

it does lower her dmg from theory

still great anyway

[acoustic kite]

In this game anything that is not meta is trash ngl

So hoping she has meta content

[kind urchin]

She is meta

Very meta

Trust

[digital delta]

her damage is cut off by a lot

with the weapon change

[kind urchin]

Yeah but she's still good

Which shows how insane she would've been

Good change

I approve

[digital delta]

her actual dmg is slightly less than Scar now

it was

slightly higher

well kinda fucked

oh wait

my Anis has 0 LB

and no OL

[acoustic kite]

Meta for what?
Still gonna pull 1copy cause anis

But may not mlb because of helm and nier

[digital delta]

nvm

[harsh forge]

Matching scarlet damage while also buffing her is still very good

[digital delta]

@lofty stream u are aware her basic attack damage got buffed

259.2%

[lofty stream]

oh

I'm... playing event right now

who cares about meta stuff

let me enjoy my stories

[indigo gate]

based lol

[kind urchin]

Bossing

I don't yet understand her full potential in campaign or PvP

I'll update you later on that

[celest granite]

So... which kinda team can Anis fit in?

[digital delta]

Damage loss of 60m because of weapon change.

[indigo gate]

I feel like this is not true outside of PVP lol

[acoustic kite]

Thanks

[rancid saddle]

from the look of it, she also does great murdering things in campaign

[kind urchin]

Smthng with electric code nikkes preferably

[rancid saddle]

the only thing holding her back is s2 has a travel time

[analog hearth]

guessing she has nonclip sg energy now, which likely severely lowers her use in pvp

[celest granite]

i dont have many electric unfortunately. i only have scar, isabel and harran

[acoustic kite]

Can someone test her with Isabel dolla and shotgun team

[rotund jolt]

Tine travel?

[kind urchin]

Well, after all it is 32 × 300% damage

[acoustic kite]

Please

[kind urchin]

Scar then

[kind urchin]

Don't try bringing Isabel up

She can't compete

[rancid saddle]

s2 is not instant damage, it summons a projectile that travels not as fast as I want

[celest granite]

Doro Guilty Scar Anis Priv?

[kind urchin]

She requires too many investments to work overall

[celest granite]

still can't figure out where to put in healer together with anis

[indigo gate]

Why would she need to compete? Isabel is electric, run them together.

[kind urchin]

Yeah. If you need survival you can try using diesel instead of guilty

[celest granite]

no diesel either :'>

[rancid saddle]

diesel's taunt uptime is kinda trash though, only on burst

[kind urchin]

Isabel's DPS is towards the lower side compared to meta nikkes

[indigo gate]

She's the ONLY electric shotgun, unless you wanna run Ether

[kind urchin]

Maiden bruh

[rotund jolt]

Ahhh

[celest granite]

wish we had an electric b2 shotgun

[indigo gate]

oh shit you right, didn't see her

[acoustic kite]

It would need cool down reduction and 20 burst cool down

To work with the shotgun team

[celest granite]

scar anis priv... maiden replace priv then?

[rancid saddle]

you don't need shotguns to pair with sanis

you just need privaty

and not put noir

with her

so sanis can't go with bunnies

[celest granite]

i accidentally put pepper with noir in my last union raid :'>

worst mistake ever

[acoustic kite]

Biggest problem with her tbh

Blanc and noir are the meta

[rancid saddle]

yes it's a bummer

because blanc burst + sanis dps would be stupid

[celest granite]

well it consoles me a teeny tiny bit that i dont have blanc

[rancid saddle]

sanis is better than dorothy

[kind urchin]

I'll really need to see your roster sometime later

[celest granite]

sanis... why does her name remind me of satan?

[rancid saddle]

call her ass if you want

[indigo gate]

ok new meta: ether, quency, SAnis, Isabel, Maiden

[celest granite]

an*s

[acoustic kite]

I just want Isabel to be good😭

[noble sun]

she is super good she doesn't need 10/10/10, I have 4/4/4 already functioned. (having privaty s1 lvl10 tho)

[celest granite]

can we post pics here?

[kind urchin]

Ask in #pve-team-building

[celest granite]

ah ok

[kind urchin]

@coarse willow is your best tester for isabel

[acoustic kite]

Ah I see

[digital delta]

gatri

I need help

gatrix

something's wrong

[formal night]

nop

she just does morbillion

[digital delta]

fixed

I accidentally typed 1.5

when its 1,5

dumb shit

[kind urchin]

Dawg at 2 billion with anis??

[rancid saddle]

with no priv and no burst too

[acoustic kite]

What's this?

[rancid saddle]

nikke dps in union range maybe

[formal night]

hm

[digital delta]

u sure ure not gonna run priv?

[rotund jolt]

😭2 Billion

[digital delta]

you need 70.1%+

ammo reduction

its dumb

dont

pls run priv with

her

[acoustic kite]

Ah I see
I'm tryna understand what team you're using with anis and priv

[rancid saddle]

ass is the first limited unit I'm really tempted to c7

but I ain't that big of a whale

[coarse willow]

Excuse you

Give me two more isabel before even asking that

[acoustic kite]

Pls test Isabel with anis/shotgun team

[digital delta]

SAnis in the past is 160m every burst

[rotund jolt]

What SG team

Anis Sugar Isabel?

[digital delta]

now its 160, 110, 160, 110, 160, 110