yeah.
#[Mast] New Unit Megathread
unkempt brook
oh fuck.
i need
relic maps
fuck shit damn
i need an extra hand
:<
is only me on nikke.gg
sadge
leaden oracle
is only me on nikke.gg
Recruit KosMiu xDD
leaden oracle
He works (I think)
unkempt brook
leaden oracle
What hes good
hallow dove
If only the effects came back with a new cool down or permenantly
That would actually be overpowered
leaden oracle
Well I wonder who's up for writing proper reviews honestly
Gets a bit annoying sometimes 
unkempt brook
let me work for both prydwen and nikke.gg
copy paste
profit
i control the monopoly
leaden oracle
Nah I think they definitely need to be separate cuz
2 opinions. Better than 1
unkempt brook
Nah I think they definitely need to be separate cuz
2 opinions. Better than 1
idk. i'll just become bipolar
hallow dove
i control the monopoly
Hold on yall get paidđź‘€
unkempt brook
Hold on yall get paidđź‘€
trust me, i ain't working if i ain't getting paid
you think i do this for the community??
WRONG
i hate all of you
i'm just kidding
hallow dove
Lmao
unkempt brook
awh man, mast is gonna get her ratings diluted so hard because of her extreme poor performance on campaign and arena (?)
unkempt brook
<@404122528400015361> give me half of the revenue given by the ads on your websi...
you literally offered me nothing, and you want everything from me
and your'e not even my wife
umbral granite
lone willow
you literally offered me nothing, and you want everything from me
and your'e not...
I'm not seeing credit card numbers so I'm not reading that
unkempt brook
LMAO
lone willow
unkempt brook
that's a good one
leaden oracle
If only the effects came back with a new cool down or permenantly
That would ac...
Hmm imo mast is generally like, terrible in my eyes ngl. The only major useful skill of hers is that burst. She isn't doing much anyways.
Skill 1: 95% Def buff just to get what noir gives constantly. (~17% atk buffs). On cooldown this just makes her dolla.
Skill 2: crit rate is majorly only a snowwhite thing imo. And bro neon gives this everytime on her burst to snowwhite.
On cooldown this makes her even less reliable than she currently is.
Burst: 80% hp giving guillo and scarlet self buffs, yeah sure the crit helps but even on cooldowns, not so much. And imo they just restrict even more.
leaden oracle
activate my bipolar side when writing reviews
Should've asked me like a month ago xD
I would've agreed 
unkempt brook
lone willow
Sorry if I annoyed you earlier @unkempt brook when I was talking about the auto aim and all that, I forgot to just use the reply to avoid a misunderstanding
umbral granite
awh man, mast is gonna get her ratings diluted so hard because of her extreme po...
it's a accurate indication of her value tbh
Exclusive Sr unit
unkempt brook
Should've asked me like a month ago xD
I would've agreed <a:serious_cry:7919918...
you talked once in my server
and it was about RELICS
how would i know
hallow dove
Sorry if I annoyed you earlier <@404122528400015361> when I was talking about th...
Hold on
You found auto aim exploit
lone willow
formula doesn't like crits too
How do attack buffs work?
leaden quest
I'm not seeing credit card numbers so I'm not reading that
i mean the 8372 can go up in 9564 flames when you simply need to 2918 those bastard 3822 thats wont enable 331 since 05/28.... godamit....
unkempt brook
Sorry if I annoyed you earlier <@404122528400015361> when I was talking about th...
no worries
leaden oracle
I haven't gotten the time currently to review both sites properly but I do plan to give a small feedback on how to improve some site stuff 
Have to check prydwen as well
hallow dove
Hmm imo mast is generally like, terrible in my eyes ngl. The only major useful s...
Yeah even with the Buffs to her kit
She's not that good
Unless they are gonna build a mode where her niche is needed
lone willow
i mean the 8372 can go up in 9564 flames when you simply need to 2918 those bast...
That's not real credit card details right?
unkempt brook
How do attack buffs work?
it.. increases attack
lone willow
leaden oracle
Cuz it's easier to direct rather than post walls of text on this server
leaden quest
lone willow
it.. increases attack
IM SUCH AN IDIOT
leaden oracle
Yeah even with the Buffs to her kit
She's not that good
Unless they are gonna bu...
She has 0 actual niche
lone willow
It just multiplies the final attack to be higher
leaden oracle
There's nothing special about her in that sense
lone willow
After everything else was calculated
leaden oracle
Like D has with stun immune and noah has with invincibility
Mast is not like those
quick grove
lol, just saw the pin. I guess there's no need to waste my time testing her anymore.
leaden oracle
She's a usable buffer like quency is I guess
leaden quest
Like D has with stun immune and noah has with invincibility
Mast is not like t...
but mast has double D's thats are irresistible unlike noah's
unkempt brook
IM SUCH AN IDIOT
so.. attack x (Attack buffs x part damage x damage taken) x (Full burst modifier + core hit bonus + weapon effectiveness + crit damage) - def
hallow dove
I see so Mast + guillo/scarlet in pvp wouldn't do much?
unkempt brook
should be the damage formula?
not sure if i messed up somewhere
oh right, there's also the normal attack
values
%
hallow dove
Cause shes trash for pve ngl
I figured since one shots are less common in arena
Shed help scarlet by alot
leaden oracle
and it was about RELICS
Hey man I direct traffic to websites xD
If there's a mistake I just tell people where the mistake is for now 
Dw will come back with more game changes/bugs if I find them to you 
unkempt brook
just shove it somewhere in there
teal patrol
Also - def after attack buffs
unkempt brook
my formula is definitely messed up somewhere here and there
but it's the gist of it
lone willow
so.. attack x (Attack buffs x part damage x damage taken) x (Full burst modifie...
So this is why removing defense sucks, because it's easier to just multiply with a bunch of other multiplying things that will get a way higher value increase than just defense debuff, also explains why damage taken is a lot stronger too
leaden oracle
I see so Mast + guillo/scarlet in pvp wouldn't do much?
Hmm after writing 2 paragraphs and erasing them
Yeah mast is unusable for pvp
lone willow
Poor Mast
hallow dove
Hmm after writing 2 paragraphs and erasing them
Yeah mast is unusable for pvp
Rip
She's garbage almost Rosanna levels of bad
leaden oracle
Rip
She's garbage almost Rosanna levels of bad
Oh no don't worry about that
Rosanna is usable in PvP, definitely more than mast
But Rosanna has a very extreme niche in pvp
unkempt brook
Here's the dmg formula
ah, there we go
cinder gull
until they revamp burst gen for pvp, smg and mg won't be usable in pvp
lone willow
Here's the dmg formula
It would be nice if you guys used the letters in like algebraic form instead of just a bunch of words in a damage formula, it's redundant
hallow dove
But Rosanna has a very extreme niche in pvp
Damn
I hope AN—
Ahem
The next summer units don't end up like her
Past few units really havnt been the best
leaden oracle
It would be nice if you guys used the letters in like algebraic form instead of ...
I think it's fine
leaden oracle
No need to change smthng that isn't wrong
lone willow
Yeah, at least it's in order
leaden oracle
i hate math, math stinky
That's why hire KosMiu
leaden oracle
For the damage formula
Sum of all ATK buffs
Like eg liter gives 60%, AnneMF gives 80% and scarlet has self 110% buff
So that's 60+80+110=250%
Or 2.5
ebon furnace
lone willow
Because of how much multiplication goes in damage for nikke does that mean splitting your investment in crit and attack in one team actually does better than just going all attack or all crit in a team?
leaden oracle
Cuz
A) you already have 50% crit damage
B) crits aren't constant, so it's less half the effectiveness as ATK
lone willow
Maybe crit rate is far better than crit damage
But even then reaching 100% crit rate is ridiculous
Maybe attack will truly just be the ruler
leaden oracle
Reaching 100% crit rate is a 50% atk buff (kindof)
cinder gull
how would crit interact with core hit?
lone willow
It's only kind of because the monster defense is already applied before basic damage multiplies with damage modifiers, and attack buffs are best because they multiply with the character's basic attack before it is even subtracted by the enemy's defense
lone willow
I just think core hit multiplies with everything else once it's all calculated, then the damage taken debuff and that'll be the resulting damage
Seeing this damage formula might change how I make my team now lol
All attack buffs and crit rate
Nothing else matters
Except maybe damage taken debuff
That one is pretty strong
lone willow
Wait so because defense subtracts from basic attack does that mean defense works best against small weak attacks because it is able to repeatedly subtract things?
It would do good against repeating attacks, but for big one shot attacks it does barely anything
leaden oracle
crit damage bracket?
I'm just reading the message : /
It doesn't involve core damage over there apparently
And I take it boss weak points are cores, cuz there isn't any other weak point, is there
@unkempt brook if you look at your site
It involves core damage in the crit formula
lone willow
So where is core damage really?
lone willow
Is it separate or in the crit formula?
leaden oracle
I'll tell the person to fix
knotty jacinth
what exactly is the bug
unkempt brook
I'm just reading the message : /
It doesn't involve core damage over there appa...
oh, apparently weakness correction is core hit
boss weakness
is just something
that doesn't exist
apparently/ hasn't appeared yet
not sure why it's there in the code
yes, crit damage stinky if you can easily hit core
if not, then crit damage poggers
well.. slightly more poggers
leaden oracle
Mast Burst Bug
Mast burst increases nikkes max hp without actual healing HP.
The Nikkes affected by this will lose buffs which have hp percentage requirements EVEN after burst ends, BUT ONLY for those hp requirement that need hp OVER a certain level (for example Alice skill 2 and Noir skill 1, it does not work for scarlet skill 2 because hp needs to be UNDER a certain hp level).
How to fix:
You need to heal these nikkes using ANY healer
leaden oracle
Mast Burst Bug
Mast burst increases nikkes max hp without actual healing HP.
Th...
I wish austerity never left nikke 
He used to have a collection/spreadsheet for all bugs : (
unkempt brook
i was supposed to be the gameplay man
now
i have to do both
which i'm failing
because
fook that
i only find bugs on units on launch
after that
it's gods will
leaden oracle
Mast Burst Bug
Mast burst increases nikkes max hp without actual healing HP.
Th...
@knotty jacinth
leaden oracle
Intentionally sabotage your own team
That's exactly what you want from your burst 2
unkempt brook
hot
knotty jacinth
she’s for nikkes who need to be low hp
leaden oracle
she’s for nikkes who need to be low hp
Yeah they're really forcing that onto us
unkempt brook
yeah, but the average player base will look at mast and be like
"oooo. ship lady"
then pair her with alice or noir
or something
bam
gimp
just like that
they see crit damage
and crit rate
knotty jacinth
I tested it with Alice and she heals up again
leaden oracle
Well shiftup gonna shiftup I guess
leaden oracle
what's your team
Try putting Alice in the center so she gets damaged on chatterbox
knotty jacinth
liter mast alice mod
unkempt brook
ok
leaden oracle
why for
So when mast burst is over, you won't be full health, so there's something to heal
And Alice will self heal if her S2 is saying her pierce isn't working. If Alice is already at full hp, there's nothing to heal technically
unkempt brook
i see what's happening
mast burst > alice burst, which heals to 80% during burst
try not attacking
lone willow
Defense is so ass they really need to change it in Nikke, they should also make it so crit damage that you get from overload armor or all status effects is multiplied by 2, and then added with the 50% base crit damage
unkempt brook
@knotty jacinth
try not attacking during burst duration, then test if you heal
well.
there's nothing to heal
test if you pierce
unkempt brook
So when mast burst is over, you won't be full health, so there's something to he...
oh, that should work
but in cases where you don't get hit
no worky
knotty jacinth
leaden oracle
Ok yeah then ANY heal still stands. pin is correct
Thanks sjay for bug explanation
knotty jacinth
ok yea she’s not piercing
leaden oracle
No pierce
knotty jacinth
zzzzz
unkempt brook
not my tencent game
they intensively work on bugs that benefit the players
sleep on ones that
negatively impact
frank sedge
thorny sandal
Mast Burst Bug
Mast burst increases nikkes max hp without actual healing HP.
Th...
no
Nikke that is not affected by max hp increase still suffer from the bug
they lose the buff even tho it says it on their pause screen
I can confirm that
leaden oracle
Eh its good enough for me
leaden oracle
Add that when you write it
thorny sandal
ALL nikkes
my Noir's damage in P5 (with Scar and Gui taking Mast's max HP), loses damage again in 2 bursts
1st burst she drops from 6000 to 5000
then it drops to 4000
mf
umbral parrot
Mast Burst Bug
Mast burst increases nikkes max hp without actual healing HP.
Th...
this should be intended though?
if noir has 100% hp she has skill 1 active
mast bursts
noir has below 70% hp remaining skill 1 deactivates
unique vapor
damn, pretty bad bug to have on release
leaden oracle
this should be intended though?
if noir has 100% hp she has skill 1 active
mast...
This keeps happening even after burst ends
umbral parrot
ooh
bug
i wonder if this is a universal maxhp bug that we just couldn't test yet
i don't know any other nikke that gives empty maxhp
leaden quest
just mast
since mast os the only max hp without actual hp recovery
every other nikke that does XX% HP increase also recovers that same increase when it expires
cinder gull
This keeps happening even after burst ends
what about that mast bug reducing team’s damage during full burst, is that different from her burst?
umbral parrot
does this bug work in our favor?
does guillotine for example get additional attack despite being higher HP?
leaden oracle
what about that mast bug reducing team’s damage during full burst, is that diffe...
This is why the damage was reducing
It was removing noir's atk buff and removing alice's pierce so it lowered atk values
Hence, lower outputs
umbral parrot
maybe not for guillotine because she reduces her own hp and that would instantly get checked again by the game
so it's only a downside bug
leaden oracle
does this bug work in our favor?
does guillotine for example get additional att...
No, read again
I wrote about it
umbral parrot
guillotine and scarlet drain their own hp so maybe those interactions don't work
but mast herself doesn't work either?
leaden oracle
but mast herself doesn't work either?
Again, it's only working for skills that have need "when hp is ABOVE X%"
low moss
Here is the result when i tried Mast at shooting range. Mast is 5/5/6 6/6/5, MLB, 1 OL with crit chance, scarlet use attacks and one burst, manually controlled
I forget that i can mock battle SI bosses now, definitely will try later
Her kit is more about def reduce with crit as a topping when enter burst, but idk if def reduce makes any sense in boss battles
umbral parrot
i would assume def reduce makes a lot of sense in boss battles because they should have the most of it
cinder gull
except mast reduce def by a portion of her own def
low moss
If only they can show us bosses’ stats
cinder gull
gotta go to dotgg site for that
leaden oracle
If only they can show us bosses’ stats<:Copege:891401443129589780>
Which boss stats do u need
leaden oracle
Here is the result when i tried Mast at shooting range. Mast is ~~5/5/6~~ 6/6/5,...
This looks like shooting range
Shooting Range Raptures:
Element: Fire
Mobs:
HP: 645K
ATK: 1
DEF: 100
Boss:
HP: 185M
ATK: 8
DEF: 100
All of the rest are on dotgg /monsters
celest cave
So mast is a skip?
low moss
Which boss stats do u need
Today SI is chatterbox right?
low moss
So mast is a skip?
Yeah
leaden oracle
Today SI is chatterbox right?
Yes
leaden oracle
low moss
Mast’s gear and skill levelling is mentioned above, Novel has 2 OL, 1/1/1 (L bozo)
A fairly invested Mast is slightly better than a not-so-invested Novel
definitely not rigged
umbral parrot
Mast’s gear and skill levelling is mentioned above, Novel has 2 OL, 1/1/1 (L boz...
are you able to see if mast keeps her debuff stacks throughout the fight with chatter?
low moss
are you able to see if mast keeps her debuff stacks throughout the fight with ch...
Let me check again
Nope
The stacks are applied on the boss, so I can’t see that
The only thing appears is the storm on monke’s face
umbral parrot
ah that's shit well i would assume that she does remain the stacks because surely she crits once every 3 seconds right?
but was afraid that maybe you could get unlucky right after that short window of chatter not being on screen
low moss
Sometimes she does continuously crit attacks, the rest she does crit once every 1-2 seconds I guess
And i think her s1 gets one stack every time the team deals 2 crit attacks, not only Mast’s attacks trigger the s1
umbral parrot
a question i have more in the general sense
if an enemy has a barrier / shield for over 3 seconds does mast lose her stacks? or can you crit vs a barrier and do the stacks remain?
thorny sandal
cant use MAst on chatterbox
its abad testing ground
she would perform better on Modernia
Mother Whale
Land Eater
Harvester
and any other bosses that dont fuck around
next union raid is MW so u can test her out there
low moss
Definitely will
thorny sandal
and also why Mod
better to simulate a real life scenario:
- You need Noise.
- Your Mod def isnt placed there.
If Scarlet doesn't sound like something great
can use Maiden
Problem with Scar is that
she benefits more from Dorothy or Novel
low moss
and also why Mod
Sweeping missiles
low moss
she benefits more from Dorothy or Novel
How so?
low moss
thorny sandal
damage taken is more impactful
and part damage too
in the case of Mother Whale
u diont use Volume
u use Dorothy
remembner
if u use Scar there
what are u gonna replace Scar in Helm Mod team with?
well u can use Privaty or Maxwell
but is it worth it
low moss
Guillotine then
low moss
Oh I forgor
thorny sandal
haiya toying with me
anyways you can pair Alice with priv or Mod with priv
the other with max
honestly Max is prolly best
SINCE u want to take advatange of the bean
mild isle
Sorry if it’s been stated already, but if I don’t have a Novel, would Mast be a good sub?
leaden oracle
Sorry if it’s been stated already, but if I don’t have a Novel, would Mast be a ...
Mast is strictly for guillotine and scarlet based teams
So, the answer is yes, but only when you're using scar/guillo
mild isle
Gotcha, thank you!
thorny sandal
@stoic slate whats ur mast skills
your dps had 10% increase with what skills?
can u test it again tomorrow with mod?
since she can keep stacks there
and use Noise too for realistic fight
Im sure NOise can tank the bombs
stoic slate
<@281863688636596225> whats ur mast skills
it's only 4/4/4
sure will do
thorny sandal
it's only 4/4/4
sure will do
interesting
that means she has more potential
she scales well on burst
her S2 doesnt scale a lot
I regret maxing my Novel j
like scale so good
because she means Gui can lose HP much faster
kind zealot
foggy flame
umbral parrot
we always thought she was good enough to make it into sr and ur
but never thought she was good enough for campaign or to replace blanc lol
umbral granite
What happened?
the reals one know the secret strat for Mask Free train
Mast Moran EH Crow Anchor
lone willow
I don't know the secret strat
umbral granite
20s clear
umbral granite
Moran burst buff Crit to Final damage conversion
Mast for Mast
EH for final damage to elemental damage conversion
Anchor implant elemental weakness on full burst 
Crow for Crow
foggy flame
It's only been one night and people think Mast is good now?
Always been good, people just only parrot “Crit bad only attack good” without critical thinking skills
lone willow
The thing is I'm worried about investment costs lol
umbral granite
Real talk she's good for what she does which is enable our beserkers , weather that's something you think is valuable is entirely up to what you value
lone willow
I don't have an upgraded Volume, or Mast, or Gulliotine
umbral granite
I don't have an upgraded Volume, or Mast, or Gulliotine
If you plan to build Guillotine in the upcoming future AND you care about UR/SR she's worth considering imo
SR just finished so it's gonna be a while until the next one you have time to raise a few Nikkes
That said it's possible you luck sack her before next SR via standard (or she evades ya)
Also must consider the possibility of Summer units --->Nier ---> Anniversary --> Christmas
umbral parrot
mast is finally a character i can put into the elysian wishlist
i don't want to pass that opportunity up
umbral parrot
more reasons to pull on standard for you
umbral granite
Sakura and D evade me aswell
lone willow
She's not coming home
umbral granite
lone willow
umbral parrot
Sakura and D evade me aswell
do you need them? idk if they have a spot in sr
lone willow
Remember, a 1/15 chance in a 4% SSR is pretty low
You're more likely to get a pilgrim at that point
umbral parrot
that's why you want to make it 2/15
umbral granite
do you need them? idk if they have a spot in sr
Sakura yeah for 5th team, In All the SRs the final team feels like complete garbage because no CDR, D I'm in no rush for, I'd like her for the eventual Moderina SR/UR
Or iron boss memes in general
And I really like their designs
foggy flame
The thing is I'm worried about investment costs lol
I understand some people have reservations over “investment cost” of mast
But let’s not act like we’re not hyper investing into every support that’s worth using in the game
If it’s a support worth using their skills, they get leveled to 10 anyways
rapid patio
How valuable is limit breaking her?
foggy flame
Gets increased def for her def down, increased HP for her burst to better buff Guil/scar and more attack for herself
stoic slate
because she means Gui can lose HP much faster
Scarlet gets a bump in dmg , Guillotine gets a big boost.
I also time Scarlet burst to not wipe bomb so her dmg shown here didn't get boosted with overkill dmg.
It's worth noting that Modernia is weak to Guilty (Wind)
Scarlet and Gui have x4 OL
Mast 4/4/4 x0 OL
Guilty 10/1/1 x0 OL
umbral parrot
SI modernia has good defense at least it says 13.12k
main goblet
<:BlancStare:1121783303922532403> Moran burst buff Crit to Final damage conversi...
I’m having a stroke. I can’t comprehend what you’re on about.
umbral granite
I’m having a stroke. I can’t comprehend what you’re on about.
part of the free train strat
thorny sandal
Scarlet gets a bump in dmg , Guillotine gets a big boost.
I also time Scarlet b...
Thanks
main goblet
<:BlancStare:1121783303922532403> part of the free train strat
You talking about the campaign?
thorny sandal
Scarlet gets a bump in dmg , Guillotine gets a big boost.
I also time Scarlet b...
Her burst scales better with Gui
Right now 444 is 32%
With higher bursts, that will scale much better with Gui
thorny sandal
Scarlet gets a bump in dmg , Guillotine gets a big boost.
I also time Scarlet b...
Also Guilty needs around 55 secs for max stacks
This is so far in line with my prerelease calculation
umbral granite
Scarlet gets a bump in dmg , Guillotine gets a big boost.
I also time Scarlet b...
Mast personal dps + her contribution to Guillotine damage already make up the damage the guilty would have done mmmmh a this is 4/4/4
thorny sandal
With invested Mast + max S1 and Burst, Gui gains 40-50% more dps
umbral granite
Yeah the gap going to grow much bigger for sure
Considering Guillotine is pretty much half the comps damage that big of increase on her sounds like value
thorny sandal
Scar benefits from S1 more
As I said
Scar isnt mandatory in this team
Ive been thinking of using Maiden even
Or Drake
umbral granite
Yeah most definitely but opportunity cost wise this may be the best placement for scar atm
thorny sandal
Yeah most definitely but opportunity cost wise this may be the best placement fo...
No
umbral granite
I'm assuming someone has all the meta Nikkes here just for context
Things change if you missing some naturally
thorny sandal
Scar needs max ammo for Gui's team to work
Cus I tried with 31 + Bastion 7, not enuf regen
stoic slate
Also Guilty needs around 55 secs for max stacks
Its ~25s for 5 stacks on Guilty as she increases her stack count from S2, but true a boss that could last for full 3m would be a better test.
In SR, i would just throw Guilty in with SG team, more ammo and my Drake has more ATK there due to core. From what i've seen, Guilty S1 doesn't copy final ATK.
thorny sandal
Now 47 + Bastion 7, and it still needs more regen
Around 60+ is probably the safe value
Or 55+
thorny sandal
Its ~25s for 5 stacks on Guilty as she increases her stack count from S2, but tr...
Guilty is just better with Pepper
Even faster
Lmao
stoic slate
thorny sandal
<:kekw:1009394634692247632>
Question
Diesel clears when she reaches 10 stacks or 11 stacks
Im sure its 11
So she has 10 max ammo, then the next max ammo resets?
Wait
So if u have 4 max ammo lines on Diesel
She technically never stops firing
edgy hare
I gave in and got mast Please god let her be good
Thank god I also got noah in the same string of rolls
umbral granite
Scar needs max ammo for Gui's team to work
I'm gonna try pulling Mast tomorrow and see if 50 ammo is enough
stoic slate
Diesel clears when she reaches 10 stacks or 11 stacks
no clue, i never ran Diesel + Guilty combo with Gui before.
but saw the youtuber Sky ran that inf ammo comp against Harvester
sky's Gui is max core and dealt 195m
my buddy Gui is only C2 and dealt 185m (Noise variant)
so i don't feel like the inf ammo team of Gui is that huge.
stoic slate
ya
floral yoke
Nice to see other people think this character is mid.
I think she is Garbo in PvE and just mid in PvP. The crit rate stat isn't all that great as a whole in Nikke and the "at the start of the fight" is only good for PvP if not facing stall and even then it's meh
Which sucks because I think Mast is pretty cute
heavy cargo
She's good for Union and Solo raid if you're willing to invest heavily into Guillotine
Guli with full ammo capacity OL + Mast could probably rival Scarlet in damage. Which is pretty good for a third team.
She has no value for a main campaign team unless you have nothing meta.
Guillotine would be the best use of elysion attacker gear.
Since her buff, her personal damage is way better than Privaty or Helm's
thorny sandal
Nice to see other people think this character is mid.
I think she is Garbo in P...
Idk where ure drawing ur conclusions from, but no, she is not trash.
leaden quest
its cope vs cope
one copes that shes trash cuz shes not dorothy/scarlet/liter/twin bunnies/mod/liter
the other copes cuz shes not not op everywhere like dorothy/scarlet/liter/twin bunnies/mod/liter
nikkes split in 3:
- god tier like the metas (need to pull)
- those who can actually support the meta are barely passable (wait for standard)
- anyone not related to meta is trash (dont touch and laugh at people trying to defend them)
umbral granite
so everyone agreed Guillotine is good
And Mast increase Guillotine damage
So how is Mast useless
umbral granite
cuz shes not buffing noir, scarlet, modernia, dorothy
the funny thing is she actually is
leaden quest
shhhh
umbral granite
Somewhat buffing Scarlett
leaden quest
dont tell them the truth
umbral granite
Assuming you meta slave, and you have all the meta Nikkes
Scarlett is going to be third team with Guillotine and guess who buffs Guiltione and Scarlett
unkempt brook
She's not even bad by any means
unkempt brook
just overshadowed by op units / Competes with decent b2's
leaden quest
what meta people considers as nikkes, everything else is walking trash in their eyes
unkempt brook
does not make her bad at all
leaden quest
umbral granite
what meta people considers as nikkes, everything else is walking trash in their ...
But now hear this right, Black Noir with Alice and Mod
SW Maxwell with Novel
Where you running Scarlett with which B2?
Guilty?
unkempt brook
altho definitely f2p's would have a hard time utilizing her generally
as she's only used in bosses for the most part
unkempt brook
what meta people considers as nikkes, everything else is walking trash in their ...
novel not highlighted
leaden quest
TBH Shift Up just need to
- make DEF formula good
- make DEF reinforce shields and covers
- make Crit formula increase damage even more
- give more crit buffers and/or increase the crit buff values
and we can get the fuck out of "ATK buffer or gtfo" loop
leaden quest
<:4kSkull:1009653231514832986> But now hear this right, Black Noir with Alice an...
im not a meta slave, if shes legal, i pull and work on MMD videos
unkempt brook
TBH Shift Up just need to
- make DEF formula good
- make DEF reinforce shields a...
shift up: let's release another blanc
leaden quest
leaden quest
<:4kSkull:1009653231514832986> But now hear this right, Black Noir with Alice an...
dolla & blanc highlighted
umbral granite
im not a meta slave, if shes legal, i pull and work on MMD videos
I just wanna see how bad they make the limiteds
leaden quest
i mean... every nikkes are girls...
umbral granite
no way they'd make 2b bad
Shift Up be like
leaden quest
wait for nikke 2 for dudes
umbral granite
The IP will carry
leaden quest
nikke 4 will have trans
the thing right now
the only content with multi teams since day 1 & always available is Arena SP
the moment we get more "daily/weekly regular" multi team contents
be sure that people will actually look beyond the "huehueuhe 2 teams is enough for me"
UR is kinda irrevelant to have 3 god teams cuz its a union thing, you aint alone to max score
unkempt brook
i'd pay for anderson rate up unit
umbral granite
that's where you're wrong kiddo
unkempt brook
only male nikke char i want
leaden quest
SR you pretty much good is you got 2 god teams, the rest is extra to push a bit
umbral granite
I'm going to use my 5 Dorothys
leaden quest
so right now, we need a multi-team farming content for batteries or valuable ressources
waiting for every blue moons for UR is painful to level up cubes
story is progressing faster than cubes even for the top 100 unions
by the time we make the queen our personal pet, most people will only have 2~3 lv 7 cubes
thorny sandal
just overshadowed by op units / Competes with decent b2's
Not overshadowed if you think about it again.
She's probably still the BiS in a single team.
Overshadowed in other teams, yes.
If we are talking about Solo Raid.
Union Raid? Novel prolly better.
But we don't really have a lot of B2 options, do we?
Whether Dolla, Guilty > Mast in this team, we don't know yet.
So far, we have Guilty, Dolla, Novel, Blanc with Noir, and one flex.
unkempt brook
yeah, that's why
she's pretty alright
but there's more eye-catching burst 2's that can fit in more teams, use her in their place and she'd still put up decent performance
unkempt brook
pretty sure that's the general consensus of her atm
thorny sandal
unkempt brook
umbral granite
Centi need to be buffed*
leaden quest
it aint -14% DEF thats gonna make me go AWWW YISS when she burst
past the burst gen and shield, thats it...
leaden oracle
what meta people considers as nikkes, everything else is walking trash in their ...
Bro circles drake
leaden quest
Bro circles drake<a:kekwa:1092935992811454464>
i didnt to see who would violently react to it
thorny sandal
by the time we make the queen our personal pet, most people will only have 2~3 l...
Dont
Better up Bastion or Resil to 10 for higher attack
Or save
For LBs / new cubes
thorny sandal
i only have lv 4 basti & resi, refuse to go beyond that
Actl trolling
leaden quest
i mean, other than campaign, im in no pressure to surpass any player, much less try harding
thorny sandal
This is a comparison between Novel 1 1 10 and Mast 4 3 3.
Scarlet performs better with Novel but not Guillotine.
But if you pay attention to the time taken, Mast's team cleared 10 secs faster.
This is because Mast herself deals damage!
leaden quest
i was gonna say that
now imagine if S2 Mast was a permanent thing if her HP was below XX% instead of 30s only
leaden quest
the amount of crit those 3 wouldve done
thorny sandal
Which is insane.
At 10 4 10
For instabce
But no one definitely does that
Id go with 5 4 5
Or 5 3 5
Since blue is cheap till 5
leaden quest
why 3 if 4 is free
leaden quest
i mean it doesnt demand the bigger books
leaden quest
but ye
mast vs novel is clear as day who needs the most investment to do even more damage
not only does mast boost guil and scar but its also foken high dps for herself
novel is stuck in just "here, do damage for me"
thorny sandal
Mod is free testing ground
If Gui Scar clears 1:29, Alice clears in <1 min, Mod clears in 1:23, and SG clears 1:49, that means Im shit.
No, Maiden is not inflated. My Maiden is hyperinvested.
Surely, any hyperinvested SG can do the same.
Spkin of Gui Scar
Both have elm dmg for me
Waut
thorny sandal
apparently
upgrading S1 by 1 level cuts 3 seconds
lmoa
ok so u need her burst to be 4 or 5 for Scarlet to gain crit rate immediately
leaden quest
upgrading S1 by 1 level cuts 3 seconds
S1 is double boost, the crit damage that increases by 2~3% and the stack of DEF reduction that also reflects on her burst damage
lv 6 is the sweet spot for S1
leaden quest
â– Activates when crit attack hits 2 time(s). Affects the target(s).
Sea Breeze: DEF â–Ľ 1.55% of the caster's DEF, stacks up to 50 time(s) and lasts for 3 sec.
â– Activates when HP falls below 70%. Affects self and 2 ally unit(s) with the highest ATK (except caster).
Critical Damage â–˛ 41.68% continuously.```1.55% DEF reduction stacks & 41.68% Crit damage
thorny sandal
```Pirate's Grit
â– Activates when crit attack hits 2 time(s). Affects the target...
and why not 5
why is it like
6
leaden quest
â– Activates when crit attack hits 2 time(s). Affects the target(s).
Sea Breeze: DEF â–Ľ 1.46% of the caster's DEF, stacks up to 50 time(s) and lasts for 3 sec.
â– Activates when HP falls below 70%. Affects self and 2 ally unit(s) with the highest ATK (except caster).
Critical Damage â–˛ 39.36% continuously.```thats lv 5
leaden quest
+0.9% stacks → 4.5% more DEF reduction on max stack
+2.32 Crit damage
thorny sandal
+0.9% stacks → 4.5% more DEF reduction on max stack
+2.32 Crit damage
and why is it better
leaden quest
i dunno... 1.55 looks better than 1.46
if it was 1.45 i wouldve said lv 5 is fine
lone willow
Mathing hard I see
leaden quest
all in all, it depends on your ressources
if you can, do it, if not, dont, if planning for better/future nikke, dont
simple as that
thorny sandal
oh I cleared MatH
muted ridge
Mast seem really troublesome lol, idk if i should pull or not
thorny sandal
with Mod the only alive
at 30% HP
lmao
3rd try gang
not gonna lie it was challenging
firs tmissilis hjelmet
muted ridge
that's not helmet
thorny sandal
hush
leaden quest
lol helmet...
leaden quest
just blue CP gameplay bro
lone willow
My favorite sniper rapture has to be the big sub target that moves
They usually have so low hp killing them is really quick
And they won't get a chance to fire
The small sniper raptures can be really annoying, sometimes they're hidden behind stuff or a bazillion miles away and even your snipers may miss them lmao
lone willow
The big stationary one is annoying, but they're still manageable, one super cuck move they do though is if they spawn behind cover and are given a chance to charge up fully, they will fire as soon as the cover is destroyed, this is because raptures do not fire through cover, so when line of sight is made and they're already charged up they'll fire immediately
thorny sandal
ah I know
the way is to hold burst
dont even burst for first 30 s
l;mao
the snipers tho n
eed to be lu
cky
why arent they shooting the mobs
so dumb
:/
damn
nope
too hard
thorny sandal
The big stationary one is annoying, but they're still manageable, one super cuck...
no
actually theys hud go behind cover
lets try lud strat
umbral granite
My favorite rapture has to be the silencer I love it when I just can't burst
teal patrol
Same, I especially love how when you are on auto they literally untargetable and your team clear everyone except them and then stay in cover and not attacking for the rest of the battle
teal patrol
Mast who?
silent fern
Okay so, what are your thoughts about Mast? Doesnt seem like a good unit, seems like a decent, but not worth pulling for now
main goblet
Okay so, what are your thoughts about Mast? Doesnt seem like a good unit, seems ...
Based on the past 3 days of me checking this place she’s neither bad nor good. I don’t want to say mid because people here get triggered and think mid = bad.
silent fern
Based on the past 3 days of me checking this place she’s neither bad nor good. I...
So imma keep stocking up on tickets, not pulling for her
leaden oracle
Based on the past 3 days of me checking this place she’s neither bad nor good. I...
Mid is the best way to describe her
floral yoke
Based on the past 3 days of me checking this place she’s neither bad nor good. I...
V true people getting triggered indeed.
kind zealot
main goblet
not every char has to be meta shaking lol
Fudge you yes they do
Literally unplayable
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I mean it gets old fast
There's 2847239847 chars but you only use 2 because the rest are either super niche or simply suck
Variety wouldn't hurt.
knotty jacinth
play other modes besides campaign
floral yoke
I play whoever I'm just concerned whether or not I NEED to pull her
untold oak
Just pull 
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doesn't matter which mode you play, you use the exact same units until game forces you to use different ones(aka needing more than 1 team)
It's also in those exact situations you realize just how weak most units are.
I would rather have to choose from a large pool of good units for each burst slot, but that's just not the reality. I just use the same meta shit I've been using for ages, because everything else is, as I already mentioned, either way too niche or just bad. And yes, there's always gonna be meta but that's no excuse for Shiftup's weird ass design choices.
Mast seems to be mid which ain't bad but in reality that just means she's getting benched. Her S2 really shouldn't stop existing after first 30s of battle, makes 0 sense to me.
untold oak
^
As just an active casual, this is where I'm at
Sticking to like 8 raised Nikkes
Dgaf the others coz of OL and skill mats factor 
leaden oracle
As an f2p/lowspend you should really only focus on meta nikkes only
Considering this, mast is an easy skip.
solemn oxide
thorny sandal
Ordinary recruit exists tho
leaden oracle
Ordinary recruit exists tho
Yes
thorny sandal
Yes
Hard to say tho
Maybe I should have gotten mine from recruit
Since I have recruits piling up
But you know how many months it takes for me to get J
thorny sandal
I repeat: do not use Scarlet with Mast.
You're sabotaging her damage potential.
Mast does benefit Gui: +30% more damage.
But not Scar.
Only 10%.
I think SW better even.
thorny sandal
Scarlet gets a bump in dmg , Guillotine gets a big boost.
I also time Scarlet b...
I guess the idea is to not use Scarlet then
near plume
Who else benefit from mast besides gui?
neon bramble
nobody
umbral parrot
Volume Mast Gui comps on the rise for pve content
foggy flame
yeah, that's why
she's pretty alright
but there's more eye-catching burst 2's t...
Name them right now
Outside of Blanc and Novel you’re coping
Dolla is only in the conversation because of CDR, not because she’s good
And guilty falls off if there’s a halfway decent buffer
neon bramble
rupee?
clear ginkgo
i used Rupee in 4-5 team coz lack of invested B3
with sakura+emma/noise for cdr+team heal
rapid patio
I repeat: do not use Scarlet with Mast.
Where else would you put scarlet though, the way I see it, there are three teams atm with an invested Guill:
1: Liter-bunnies-Alice-mordenia
2: doro-novel-sw-mw-privaty
3: volumn-b2 slot in question (mast?dolla?rupee?guilty?)-scar-guill-flex
umbral granite
3: volumn-b2 slot in question (mast?dolla?rupee?guilty?)-scar-guill-flex
If you have all the meta Nikkes Sca is definitely Team 3 with Guillotine Mast
thorny sandal
2: doro-novel-sw-mw-privaty
not everyone has access to this team
but kinda makes sense
neon bramble
who is mw?
rapid patio
Maxwell
unique pawn
Or the HP part.
Like. Why increase Max if it doesn't also fill it up to that point? And with such a short window why would you even try cramming in healing?
polar scarab
Or the HP part.
Like. Why increase Max if it doesn't also fill it up to that poi...
have you tried reading the rest of her kit to understand that
or read guillotine's or scarlet who benefit from that max hp increase with no heal
trim badge
Pretty much, her burst was made to trigger skills tied to hp % more consistently.
They should buff the duration to 10s though
polar scarab
they need to update how often the game checks hp % values first
cause shit is bugged
umbral parrot
the damage portion of it
say you managed to get 50 stacks on the enemy
4,52% x 50 = 226% of your final atk every second for 7 seconds
so 7 x 226% = 1.558% of your final atk in total if skill is 10 and if you have 50 stacks
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Cheers
leaden quest
the boat sank bro
2 summer pirates
1 heretic shark
1 pilgrim cannon ball
it wouldve never survive all that
warm glade
she has potential, too bad shift up can't utilize it yet
cinder gull
shift up wondering why players aren’t spending gems and tickets on majority of releases
umbral granite
shift up wondering why players aren’t spending gems and tickets on majority of r...
They getting their bag from $60 skins
heavy cargo
It's not hard to make an OP character. They're intentionally keeping non pilgrims on the weak side
Which is actually good for players. They have a long period of time to save up for good stuff and don't have to pull for every new character to keep up with the meta.
Makes you wonder if they didn't intend for Blanc and Noir to be as good as they are. Because aside from those, every non pilgrim gacha has been niche since Laplace.
I think we can expect this standard going forward with banners
Non pilgrim: niche. Either arena or very specific pve usage.
Pilgrim: universally good in pve
You do need some of the arena niche characters if you want to keep up with its meta. No jackal or biscuit is a handicap for SP arena
leaden quest
true as sad as it sounds
you either go full collection, waifu haver, meta slave and gameplay wise, everyone but emta slaves needs to giga invest in their favorite that aint a pilgrim to keep up
thorny sandal
@stoic slate can u test me something
They said Mast S1 is broken
It doesnt stack
Never mind
It does stack
stoic slate
ye, a lot of peeps misinterpret her max HP bug so there are a lot of spreaded false information out there.
most of her stuffs work but the bug get blown out of proportion through word of mouth.
umbral granite
she wont sleep with me
Real
umbral parrot
Makes you wonder if they didn't intend for Blanc and Noir to be as good as they ...
they 100% intended blanc + noir to be this broken
you don't give them the best buff + debuff in the game as well as one of the most rerolled OL buffs (more ammo) + immortality + a shield which is a reason why centi is popular and to top that off make them heal so you can run 2 pure dps b3 along with it
i have a hard time seeing how this was an 'oopsy'
teal patrol
Bunnies was right after overzone so I assume it was a bait for those who spend everything on dorothy
Also alice banner was right before overzone
4 meta banners back to back so people who care about meta and don't save enough will have to whale
Expect something similar on anniversary
neon bramble
debuff?
umbral granite
4 meta banners back to back so people who care about meta and don't save enough ...
They hated Jesus for speaking the truth
Double pilgrim banner incoming
untold oak
heavy cargo
they 100% intended blanc + noir to be this broken
you don't give them the best ...
They needed them to be good enough to justify using them both together but they might've gone a bit too far. The fact remains that they're an outlier.
It's actually not uncommon for devs to understand meta less than the actual players.
umbral parrot
It's actually not uncommon for devs to understand meta less than the actual play...
this is true for someone like centi who you need to manually shoot with for fast burst unlocking her true potential
or alice who needs end game OL gear with macro for top dps sure
but the bunnies?
they do top performance on auto play
brain dead testing
thorny sandal
It's actually not uncommon for devs to understand meta less than the actual play...
Bro?
The dev plays the game.
The CEO plays the game.
heavy cargo
That doesn't matter. You can play the game but not understand meta as much as the diehard players
heavy cargo
Like I said. It's not uncommon.
thorny sandal
No, Noir and Blanc aren't overtuned.
They know well how to establish a good rhythm.
Every once in a while, units must be broken.
And the other times, it is either bad or non-meta or niché.
That's the standard of gacha games.
Even Honkai.
It is the only way to gain revenue without making F2Ps and light spenders angry.
Since whales will pull every unit.
But only F2Ps will skip.
cinder gull
it’s just retarded that elysion gets the shaft all the time
Helm is alright but then Blanc came along
D stands for disappointment and now this
umbral granite
I'm Positive the devs know what their doing with the characters Ceo lives in Gacha
dusty sparrow
No, Noir and Blanc aren't overtuned.
If a unit is indisputably best in slot for 99% of content at any stage of the game I would call that pretty overtuned. Though Nikke's problem is more how borderline useless half of the cast is even if you are being a charitable as possible (coming from someone who thinks Mast/D/Sakura/etc are fine). Would like to think the devs know what they're doing but then again you have stuff like the Miranda "buff" from a while back
umbral parrot
some ssr's shouldn't even be one and i'm looking at crow specifically that's just a bad sr kit
cinder gull
nikke’s meta or trash problem stems from the core design choices of the game itself.
things like damage formula, reliance on burst or bust, time limit nature of the game, raptures’ attacks being delayed but deadly af etc.
umbral granite
nikke’s meta or trash problem stems from the core design choices of the game its...
Yeah alot of the junk Nikkes would benefit heavily if defense and Crit were actually useful
There's really only a handful of Nikkes I feel need a complete rework
near dagger
But tbf crit is also hard to balance
It’s either useless or the only thing to go for
umbral granite
I just need to understand wtf they were thinking with crow and Rossana
I'd pay money to sit in on the creative process for them
main goblet
Makes me wonder if the other heretics will also suck.
leaden oracle
Watch liberalio be the best defender after centi/blanc 
umbral granite
You heard it here first folks
main goblet
Watch liberalio be the best defender after centi/blanc <:ScarletDrunk:1070786937...
Watch her be the worst defender
kind zealot
old echo
The dev plays the game.
One thing to add to this, we have not gotten a 3rl unit limited (I forget if jackal is 3rl). So the devs at the very least know those units are crazy powerful
thorny sandal
To be fair I shudnt have pulled Mast, and used my 150 ordinaries instead.
She is good but not priotity, so I could have waited.
Refund me my gems please.
leaden quest
ayo close this thread, anis summer banner soon, almost everyone forgor mast exists now
good bye oppai pirate
umbral parrot
threads are never closed if someone finds a new combination with mast that works we want it posted here
leaden oracle
Watch her be mid so I can see people cry again just like they did for neon
main goblet
Watch her be mid so I can see people cry again just like they did for neon
Or cope with Mast.
thorny sandal
Ok, Novel deals more damage than Mast in 3-min games, while Mast deals more damage in shorter runs.
In UR, Mast is useless.
In SR, Dolla is used in a different team (so you need Mast there).
And yes, Rupee does rival Mast's damage.
In other words, Novel, Blanc, Mast, Rupee, Guilty, and Dolla are all viable B2, but only 5 shall pass.
This is caused by the fact that Scar benefits from Novel way more than Mast.
And someone please tell my Doro to stop stealing Max's buff.
WTF NO ITS PRIV
Thats worse
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Makes you wonder if they didn't intend for Blanc and Noir to be as good as they ...
I'm fully convinced Blanc and Noir were a happy accident, just like Scarlet. They added a downside thinking it's enough of a drawback, but in practice it doesn't do shit.
Also true, niche banners are better for everyone except whales. But it's incredibly boring when you know we'll get an interesting potentially meta changing unit only once every ~6 months, and everything in between is just whatever.
Mast could have been super interesting if they didn't "intentionally" gimp her. Why is the burst 7s? Why isn't there secondary effect on her S2 which can be triggered repeatedly?
leaden oracle
I'm fully convinced Blanc and Noir were a happy accident, just like Scarlet. The...
I agree
old echo
Ok, Novel deals more damage than Mast in 3-min games, while Mast deals more dama...
novel's damage taken buff isn't up on the first cycle, so that makes sense
thorny sandal
novel's damage taken buff isn't up on the first cycle, so that makes sense
Because of that now I use Novel with shotgun teams
Pepper can help stack faster
Should be ready by 2nd burst
thorny sandal
She is good with Gui only.
Slightly better than Dolla.
The problem is who pairs well with her?
Let's see if either Summer Anis or Helm is the answer.
Really want a char or boss that takes more damage from each debuff.
That will bring out Mast's value.
And a lot of other chars like Eunhwa.
warm glade
what about Mast with Julia ?
I know crit formula isn't favorable in this game
but maybe they're useful on certain raids
jolly ice
Julia needs stacks to maximize her Crit Dmg and she self boosts her Crit Rate every 10s or so. The issue I see is that trying to get the timings in sync (Mast's Burst and S1 in this case). You also have to make sure Julia will be one of the highest dps in the fight which is hard without gimping your other dps units.
warm glade
even in environment where there are only 2 DPS ? Volume, Mast, Guillo, Julia and Noise
jolly ice
Not in that situation (I was thinking of the 3 B3 scenario). I've had times where Julia fell behind Rupee in some fights. She's doing pretty good now without a strict synergy team but that's because of the amount of OL gear and lines I pumped into her... as opposed to putting into anyone else. I'm willing to give the team a try if I get Mast but I feel like you could easily get better results with more standard meta teams.
thorny sandal
Just use Sugar