[Viper] New Unit Megathread

[shut dagger]

more like 2nd rosana

[clever scroll]

Damn they really messed up

[clever scroll]

[left mist]

Let's go

[hybrid warren]

same

[past tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/genki-dama-spirit-bomb-goku-gif-12526925

EVERYONE HELP VIPER

(They make it worse)

[clever scroll]

Well is more like, if they made this mistake now then imagine next favourites items

[odd pendant]

viper is worse in pve with the treasure imo

u cannot run her in shotgun team

[clever scroll]

xd

[austere matrix]

[short wadi]

Viper bond story recording

Someone share when possible

[odd pendant]

i hope the phone that the commander gifts her isn't her broken phone

cuz that is stupid

[fluid terrace]

need a sucker "waifu enjoyer" to invest all their kits for viper

[past tangle]

I will

[warm granite]

Since even guilty getting used now theres more cope for viper

[austere matrix]

Eng translation for Viper’s favourite item missions are so scuffed

Lobby wallpaper is also too zoomed so i’m keeping laplap on lobby

[valid oar]

how strong is her treasure?

[left mist]

Stronger than Crow

[valid oar]

Damn thats good enough for me.

you sold me on that

[faint token]

[short otter]

Did we find out if Viper fav item is worth?

[jolly hinge]

its already been stated multiple times that its shit

its just not worth the resource investment

[modest mountain]

Its currently Viper's best favorite item

[silk iris]

i can say that, with this treasure upgrade, Viper is elevated to the best re enter b2 in the game

[quartz bluff]

Seconded, you literally could do alot better waiting to see if future treasure is ex tier

otherwise go ahead and feed away your hundreds of maintenance kits on Viper

only to have scraps when the better treasure is released

of course maybe all the new ones will be worse than Viper for the next year

[real marten]

Y'all clearly aren't ready for Xmas Jackal CDR B1 who boosts squadmates damage by 500%

[warm granite]

You forget the word substained part of the damage

[quartz bluff]

Feed Jackal 2,000 core dust daily and she will unlock this ability for that 1 day

[short wadi]

Where recording

[quartz bluff]

I think the Viper enthusiasts were more concerned about having Viper to themselves and didn’t remember to share

[short wadi]

Same with exia fans

[odd pendant]

I dont want to make viper worse

tove blanc bsoda noir viper is fkin cope

[jolly hinge]

bunnies already have one fake dps

doesnt need a second one

[real marten]

Noir or Rupee?

[jolly hinge]

noir

[normal lark]

man coming here to see she's even worse than expected is so crazy

[snow flame]

@normal lark Please upvote this to help change it, possibly. Ty ty ty

[normal lark]

gotcha

[noble swallow]

Will she be the next red hood? They will fix her right?

[fleet fiber]

I got viper's 2nd stage treasure, what's the verdict on her atm? I can't be asked to scroll up and read essays and theres nothing in pins either

[real marten]

bad to mid depending on how generous the take

treasure boosts her own damage but not enough to bring her over existing B2s who buff the team instead

her S1 retains the garbage 10s duration

[fleet fiber]

shouldn't this refresh the duration?

[real marten]

As the only attacker 0.5 burst in the game she's easy to slot into any team with a spare flex slot for some more damage

[fleet fiber]

if it stacks to 10, does it immediately drop the stacks in 10s?

[real marten]

but that's her only real benefit

her own hit rate and sustained damage buffs refresh yeah

but not the team buff

so she's a B2 who doesn't buff the team

and in the B3 DPS meta that is Nikke....

you really need support/defender in the B2 slot

B1.5 she can at least run *alongside * a B2 instead of competing against them

[fleet fiber]

wait she doesnt actually need to burst right

her kit works when entering burst, not when self burst right

any way to slot her into s.sakura/s.rosanna team? or does that require her 1.5 burst to be unlocked

[real marten]

basically her burst isn't meta so any team that takes her will put her in slot 5

with final treasure you can use her burst without giving up a "good" B2 so it's a pretty big buff

but not the buff we wanted (boosting her S1 to support the team long-term when target appears)

[real marten]

Yeah, B1 CDR / Viper / S.Rosanna / S.Sakura / B3

and make that B3 Helm or hope you don't need any heals hahahaha

but that's more of a S.Rosanna issue than a Viper one

Viper just excludes the option of taking a healer/defender like Rapunzel or Noise in slot 5

[fleet fiber]

im looking to use this team for UR probably because scarlet/anis team is shit for me to use and SW crit fishing isnt up my alley

But SR is a bit of a problem

[real marten]

Ultimately Viper (with treasure) is essentially a small bonus damage added in the form of a sub-dps

think of her as a very cheap version of Modernia, the much better DPS who doesn't take up a burst slot

her competition is other slot 5 regulars:

• Slot 5 Maxwell just giving her buff to two highest ATK
• Rapunzel giving heals
• etc

[fleet fiber]

hopefully i can make her work in the summer team

[real marten]

If you have Helm then the above should work decently enough

Otherwise you'll have to swap her for a healer anytime the boss deals too much damage

[quartz bluff]

I think Viper stack is bugged? I read somewhere that Viper’s effect instantly drops at end of full burst

[quartz bluff]

Pinging to relate what I just said above

[short wadi]

That's phase 2?

Right?

[warm granite]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1258245783254470698

This?

[quartz bluff]

Yep yep that

I think he was talking about that

Apparently the stacks are tied to Viper having Vamp status. Once that status is gone, the stacks are promptly trashed. RIP

He was asking about the stacks lasting for 10s after burst ended, since they should refresh

Intuitive thinking and ShiftUp kits Naive

[warm granite]

And vamp only continously at phase 3
Either you bricked the stacks or brick b2 reenter then for now lmao

[short wadi]

They fucked it xD

So not only is she bad

She's also bugged

[fleet fiber]

no fking way its actually bugged like that

[fluid terrace]

this is gonna make the 5 viper fans cry

[silk iris]

and since gacha skin sale is ending soon, her bug won't be fixed for a while

[hybrid warren]

and since there's no faithful fan like me for her

no one will notice the bug

[clever scroll]

Lol

Bas unit and bugged

[misty sigil]

it keeps getting worse and worse

[past tangle]

Viper is the s neon of treasures

[fluid terrace]

whoa there, even sneon isn't this bad. She got a minor buff at least

[primal saffron]

[normal lark]

lore accurate viper devs not gonna let her have anything

[fleet fiber]

Devs too busy jerking off to her skin than fixing the bug

[odd pendant]

Me waiting for skill reset

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/793954120377565204.png?v=1

[clever scroll]

[primal saffron]

https://youtu.be/nKZgNqxLL7A

[quartz bluff]

Thank you. Now I can enjoy Viper treasure story

[primal saffron]

[unique swift]

Finally got her item to 15. Now to get dupes lol

[misty sigil]

hopefully this solo raid i can get enough to fully test her

[past tangle]

I’m doing out of love

[midnight flint]

is this confirmed a bug or a feature?

[quartz bluff]

Unconfirmed, it’s a feature for now.

It just means that Vamp status has to exist for the stacks to exist. With Vamp gone, the stacks go.

[midnight flint]

ye couldnt get them to stay even with isabel it might just be doomed

[quartz bluff]

I want to say it’s a bug because Viper treasure is so impractical that improving it by fixing this one won’t even make her too strong

But for this kind of double whammy, idk if ShiftUp will care to try to fix

[midnight flint]

im kind of new do they have precedence with bug fixes/buffs? i only know redhood was buffed

[quartz bluff]

Honestly it’s very unpredictable so we don’t know

They recently fixed a PvP bug that apparently was around for over a year and 9 months

It doubled Noah’s burst generation…

So you can see it had gone unnoticed or they didn’t care to prioritize it

Viper’s “bug” and “not-bug” could be fixed in a couple days, or only next year, or never

[hybrid warren]

if you look at phase 3

which allows Viper to Vamp forever

you will see the bug kinda make sense

[misty sigil]

they have done mini updates where they fix some bugs with nikke skills, but whos to say viper will get one

[quartz bluff]

I think the problem is it expires when Full Burst ends?

[hybrid warren]

imagine

[quartz bluff]

So still the same problem. Vamp departs when Full Burst ends, and with it goes the stacks

[hybrid warren]

if it worked like we expected

what's the point of moving to phase 3?

[quartz bluff]

I think they wanted the stacks to stay and just run out whatever duration remains

So if the stack had 10 seconds left, and Full Burst ends, I believe they thought the stacks would be staying on, running through those 10 seconds. Of course, the next Full Burst would renew this because of re-entering Vamp…

[hybrid warren]

which

makes the point of Vamp lasting forever

become joever

[quartz bluff]

I need to find someone that knows if it really does last forever

[midnight flint]

oh i see it doesnt say lasts 10 seconds anymore

[quartz bluff]

I was rereading the skills and it does seem to imply Vamp is forever until hit, for treasure phase 3

[hybrid warren]

the reason she has my attention

very bad one tho

Eshit is better

[quartz bluff]

I’m finding myself feeling too lazy, I’ll just take it to mean that she’s crippled if you refuse to take her to phase 3 treasure

[hybrid warren]

she's not crippled

[quartz bluff]

Saw screenie of someone with maxed Viper doing alot of dmg in SG team vs water-weak enemy

[hybrid warren]

she is just better than her base

[quartz bluff]

So I assume to achieve that kind of damage, as a re-enter B2, Vamp does run forever and does fix the “bug” automatically

[misty sigil]

you got the img?

[quartz bluff]

Should be yours, same name

[misty sigil]

ah

[quartz bluff]

this image https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1261550834261688400/1269296760094724247/image.png?ex=66b22f3a&is=66b0ddba&hm=a6e562ea9c4aa21e8c3108f1c09f5c00d1309f7478f898f8417f0c5723f04a33&

[misty sigil]

i thought it was me, since im like one of the only ones actually doing it, and i remember posting her dmg

[quartz bluff]

I take it you have phase 3 treasure?

[misty sigil]

tho, she is heavily invested

not yet

only phase 2

[quartz bluff]

Oh… then I was wrong

[misty sigil]

that is phase 2

[quartz bluff]

I’m still searching for proof that phase 3 Viper treasure still lets Vamp stay forever

[misty sigil]

next week i should have enough for phase 3, since SR shafted me

[quartz bluff]

Well not searching, but now I don’t have the proof so oh well

Nice

Alright, I guess you can tell us in a week

[misty sigil]

im at like 81

so 29 more

[left mist]

82. So 28 more to go

[real marten]

I don't think enough time has passed for anyone to have stage 3.

Unless they got ridiculously lucky with SR random drops I guess.

[tight pawn]

Anyone has gameplay of Vioer with her full treasure done

Wanted to see what it was like

[tough linden]

The damage doesnt come from her skills.

But rather from the increased stats.

The CP diff says it all.

And secondly, her doll.

Which boosts normal ATK DMG.

[autumn gorge]

So, does that mean we can just stage 1 her?

[real marten]

Without stage 3 she has to fight for a spot against good B2 like Crown or Rosco

With stage 3 she can run alongside a better B2

[quartz bluff]

This. Basically, Viper should go to phase 3 treasure if you really intend to use her to her maximum potential in PvE content

But you’ll have to retire her from competitive PvP to do so, or at least lose some of her advantages there. If that’s not what you want, then well, you’ll have to choose. It’s a one-way street as well, so once you cross over to phase 3 it’s joever

[autumn gorge]

is that really necessary when you can just replace leona on the SG team?

[real marten]

Leona > Viper for SG team

I don't know if the math works out in her favour against B.Alice when no healing is required or not (assuming stage 3)

[leaden sandal]

I am probably the first person in this server that will unlock it, I can show you after 2 daily resets

[faint token]

lots of people have it but nobody bothers to record lol

[leaden sandal]

neither in this server or the other one has anybody mentioned having it finished lol

I got so far by collecting the random item reward before she released + getting 25/120 possible drops from the 2 solo raids, I doubt lots of people did the random reward part

[short wadi]

Zxous has gameplay

[leaden sandal]

10 sec into the video: disclaimer, not the final upgrade

[primal saffron]

I only got her treasure for her lobby her overall kit still sucks ass

[clever scroll]

Damn people really love viper

[leaden sandal]

[clever scroll]

Based

[misty sigil]

i got 2 resets til i have her phase 3, so will also be testing the final one too, when i get it on thursday reset. ill be testing both shotgun and sustain dmg comp

[tight pawn]

Can’t wait to see the gameplay.

[leaden sandal]

ok this is the dmg before the upgrade with the meta dmg dealers and the dot team, one fight had viper burst and the other the buffer.

The fights were on auto against the Wind (fire weak) 3 min boss in the union shooting range so that none of the units get the dmg buff

I will post the 2 runs after the upgrade tomorrow

[clever scroll]

Litera

[clever scroll]

Can you try this comp pls, liter rem viper xlud B3 flex (privaty or something like this is ok, wanna compare those water units)

Against water weak

What is your viper investment?

[leaden sandal]

sorry, I only started in january so no lud

• I reset rems skills 2 weeks ago when it was available

[leaden sandal]

-complains about german name
-has german name

[leaden sandal]

@misty sigil can you do this?

[clever scroll]

[clever scroll]

Well is ok Viper sucks af

[leaden sandal]

949, 4 ol, head chest and arm maxxed

head: 23,56% ele, 11,81% atk

chest: 13,22% atk, 22,15% ele
44,28% max ammo

arms are 10,40% hit rate, 22,15% ele and 11,54% crit dmg

legs:5,71% crit chance, 23,56% ele, 11,81% hit chance

[clever scroll]

Lvl9 skill 1?

Why?

[leaden sandal]

ye

why not?

[clever scroll]

Useless skill

[leaden sandal]

[clever scroll]

Max 7

Imo

[leaden sandal]

Snake Sense ■ Activates when the target appears. Affects all allies. ATK ▲ 25.98% for 10 sec. Hit Rate ▲ 11.13% for 10 sec. ■ Only activates when attacking in Vamp status. Affects self. Sustained Damage ▲ 4.4%, stacks up to 10 time(s) and lasts for 10 sec. Hit Rate ▲ 1.84%, stacks up to 10 time(s) and lasts for 10 sec.

[clever scroll]

7/4/10 if you love viper imo

Important thing in her kit is burst

[leaden sandal]

thx to her second skill she is basically always in vamp mode, thus her hitrate anddmg buff are always active

[clever scroll]

The stacks and DMG in S1 is a meme

[leaden sandal]

well I can always reset it

[clever scroll]

Backing to thread

Fuck dammmmed

[leaden sandal]

?

[clever scroll]

The heck with those overloads xD

[leaden sandal]

??

[clever scroll]

100% ele

You have the best viper in the game xD

[leaden sandal]

that was vs water weak boss

sorry this

[clever scroll]

Yeah +100% ele is insane

Playing almost 1,5 years and my max ele % is 81% in summer Sakura xD

[leaden sandal]

the next coop raid will be fun, I aim for the top

[clever scroll]

Maybe your viper works really well in SG comp

[leaden sandal]

maybe

but I am not anywherw close to having the resourcws to level them

[clever scroll]

Or even bunnies

Tove viper Blanc bsoda noir

[leaden sandal]

also, I would like to switch the crit dmg for a second crit chance, I had that before rerolling my arms and it was amazing how often the burst crit

• a thir atk would be nice

[clever scroll]

Yeah crit dmg is trash

[leaden sandal]

only 91,42%

actually, with cube I am over 100%

[clever scroll]

+cube

Yeah I meant that xD

Well enjoy your viper, even if her kit is meh +100% helps a lot

And your viper will definitely do dmg

[leaden sandal]

she does dmg comparable to b3 units while also increasing their dmg due to her def down, wait till you sew tomorrows numbers and then reconsider calling her meh

[clever scroll]

[leaden sandal]

looking at the second pic (liter crown viper rh sbs) I would guess that teams final dmg to be around 250m for viper and 300m for scarlet and rh against the fire weak boss

would be very surprised if its any less

[misty sigil]

i could

[leaden sandal]

and will you do it?

[misty sigil]

maybe

[misty sigil]

this is before final treasure, ill get it in 2 days

each run was around 1.4b

[clever scroll]

this is sad xd

[clever scroll]

ele lines in each?

[misty sigil]

you mean on everyone?

[clever scroll]

yeah sorry for my poor grammatics

im working

i have to write in 2 secons xsdsqada

[misty sigil]

doro and viper has 2, priv 0, xlud and rem has 1

[clever scroll]

oh well basically the same

nah poor viper

only+100% ele could works

[misty sigil]

got no rocks

[clever scroll]

imagine having rocks in late game xd

[misty sigil]

true

[misty sigil]

i do also say, xlud and rem did have a massive advantage in this because of the core being available to be hit the whole run, i would imagine the results would he different without the core

[clever scroll]

that's too

[jolly hinge]

yeah you have to account for core

that easily chunks off 25-50 mil on mg for sure

[misty sigil]

if not more

[real marten]

I'm like 4 resets away, I think everyone who prioritised viper since her treasure release is just coming up to phase 3 now

[hybrid warren]

not me

[real marten]

So we'll see gameplay over the following week

[hybrid warren]

I skip her entirely

[real marten]

Well, I say that as if I even have the treasure, gonna wait for Ein to be added before I roll perma banner enough to get the last dupe with silver mileage

[leaden sandal]

@clever scroll and here is the meta and dot team vs fire and wind boss

I also tested naga instead of viper to support crown better and it did slightly more dmg against the wind boss but for the fire boss there is no contest

[quartz bluff]

Looks like Viper gains around 40% dmg going from treasure phase 2 to phase 3

Unsure how it’ll differ between shooting range and real boss fights, but that’s a nice upgrade

[hybrid warren]

someone has full phase 3 Viper?

does she still lose stack when burst ends?

[quartz bluff]

He just posted above

[hybrid warren]

he doesn't say the word

and I don't assume

[quartz bluff]

For this, left pair of images is phase 2, right is phase 3 (well if you can see 4 image previews)

[hybrid warren]

cuz If I assume, you all are in Paris

so her dmg is gained

from constant DoT buff

[quartz bluff]

I think she doesn’t lose stack anymore but it wasn’t specifically asked, let me check

[quartz bluff]

Alright, Vamp status stays forever

Continuously was not a lie

[hybrid warren]

so P3 is essential

looks kinda shit to me tho

let's see

[quartz bluff]

What will that do to her in PvP though?

Just retire her from it?

[hybrid warren]

nothing, a rl will strip her off as fast as the commander

yeah if you run her solo

normally we don't run Viper solo tho

10s

15 SG shot

220.4% each

Guilty is 231.4% each with 48.81% ATK buff

[quartz bluff]

Viper + Guilty on same team is possible though

She’ll probably still lose all stacks if the boss does AoE team attacks and breaks her Vamp status

But those should be well paced and probably even dodgeable

[leaden sandal]

it stays forever
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1261550834261688400/1273504890597150734/Screen_Recording_20240815_065011_NIKKE.mp4?ex=66bedb5a&is=66bd89da&hm=5601246f75b6c7ec31cee7a5334436ec815049c8fb3e20d52228c93502ee56c0&

[hybrid warren]

anyway, Guilty dmg over 10s is 15x1.4881x2.314 = 5165.2% ATK

Viper dmg is 15x220.4%+2500%*2/3=4972%

yeah, Viper is slightly weaker than Guilty

both should have their own room against ele weak

[leaden sandal]

but guilty needs to burst for that, vipers dmg is "free"

[hybrid warren]

huh

I don't even count Guilty burst dmg

and def shredding

[leaden sandal]

you know

I never read guilty

I just assumed

[short wadi]

You have phase 3?

[leaden sandal]

yes

[short wadi]

@hybrid warren so the basic finding is that you need phase 3 to keep the stacks??

Which was
Your assumption

[hybrid warren]

always has been

[short wadi]

Ok now go through both rentry once
I guess you were right

[hybrid warren]

watching some ToF guides right now

[leaden sandal]

and it results in a roughly 40% dmg increase compared to not having the final upgrade

[clever scroll]

Ahahahah that cat

[quartz bluff]

30%-40% but I picked rounding it optimistically to 40%

Too many variables

Conclusion is pretty much Viper lovers can keep her around just fine

[neon pewter]

are you using auto aim on your tests ?

[clever scroll]

Oh I just watched his video, screen vibration and full auto

[leaden sandal]

yeah so that its consistant

[neon pewter]

i mean, you lose DPS doing that cuz hit rate debuff, i think the difference between RH/alice and viper wouldn't be so big if that was off imho

[leaden sandal]

you mean rh/alice would be higher?

[neon pewter]

yes, maybe weaker than viper for fire boss but overall they should perform way better

[neon pewter]

especially with this team, just don't forget to enable aim assist at max

[primal saffron]

SBS should be hitting much harder if anything

kinda sad SBS is only matching a RH that core hits and 1x pierce only

[quartz bluff]

You’re assuming his BS Scarlet OLs though, might be weak

Oh he listed the OLs elsewhere, sec

Pasting his OL list to here, he wrote the below:

Viper: 9/4/9, 4 ol

• EleDmg: 23,56% + 22,15% + 22,15% + 23,56%
• Atk: 11,81% + 13,22%
• Ammo: 44,28%
• CritD: 11,54%
• CritR: 5,71%
• HitR: 10,40% + 11,81%

RH: lvl 15 ssr doll, 10/10/10

• Atk: 6,18% + 11,81%
• ChargeSpd: 2,86%
• Ammo: 68,93%
• ChargeD: 8,29%
• CritD: 16,44%
• HitR: 11,81%
• Def: 13,93% + 11,81%

BS Scarlet: lvl 5 ssr doll, 10/7/10, no ol arms

• EleDmg: 24,96%
• Atk: 11,81% + 9,7% + 11,11%
• CritR: 2,3% + 2,64%

Naga: lvl 5 ssr doll, 9/7/8

• Atk: 4%

Modernia : lvl 1 ssr doll, 10/8/6

• Atk: 7,59% + 10,40%
• Ammo: 68,93% + 48,39% + 81,26%
• CritR: 5,71%
• HitR: 13,93%

Alice: no doll, 10/4/9

• Atk: 11,81% + 11,81%
• Ammo: 68,93% + 68,93% + 81,26%
• ChargeSpd: 3,16% + 4,63%
• ChargeDmg: 11,11%
• HitR: 11,81% hit rate

Hmm I’ll reorganize it for easier reading

[leaden sandal]

thx

[quartz bluff]

And merging the numbers

[leaden sandal]

gimme a sec, I posted modernia and alice also somewhere

[primal saffron]

SBS just missing the charge speed and pairing with alice for her S1 really

I guess ammo too since you aren't running her with noir

[leaden sandal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1261550834261688400/1273539272074334208/image0.jpg?ex=66befb5f&is=66bda9df&hm=0e90977fbf396b3265fd7cc3fa0e24ddd6f3d23e1de3116a088436d1b4c61ccd&
modernia : lvl 1 ssr doll, 10/8/6

head: 5,71% crit chance, 68,93% ammo

chest: 13,93% hit rate, 7,59% atk, 48,39% ammo

legs: 81,26% ammo, 10,40% atk

Alice: no doll, 10/4/9

Head: 68,93 % ammo, 11,81% atk

chest: 68,93% ammo, 11,81% atk, 11,81% hit rate

arms: 3,16% charge speed, 81,26% ammo

legs: 4,63% charge speed, 11,11% charge dmg

[leaden sandal]

yeah she and rh need work, I am focusing on rh now and then sbs

[clever scroll]

Rh, Alice >sbs

I know Alice is hard to build

Well if you play auto Rh, SBS>alice

[leaden sandal]

I play mobile so alice will never be that good

also

in terms of investment alice already ate 35 stones

[quartz bluff]

Alright, done condensing. Moving ele dmg and atk to the top of the lists…

[leaden sandal]

rh 7, sbs 4, viper 9 and modernia 6

[primal saffron]

you can still fast shoot on mobile with alice

the problem comes if you need to aim while fast shooting

which good luck

[quartz bluff]

Ah adding in Modernia’s and Alice numbers now

[primal saffron]

mobile only originally and one handed friendly game btw

[leaden sandal]

anyway, this and the reason I really don't like her are the reason why I want to focus on the others for now

[quartz bluff]

And done

[leaden sandal]

looking at it like this, my viper is really insane

she will be so much fun in tomorrows coop battel

[quartz bluff]

If they cooperate

Crown bursting all the time before you can

[clever scroll]

Is your mobile strong?

Can it run at 60 fps?

[leaden sandal]

yes

[leaden sandal]

playing with union members through discord so shouldn't be an issue

[quartz bluff]

Would think SGs would perform worse than SRs if it was a device issue

[clever scroll]

Nice good mobile

[leaden sandal]

they just need to wait a sec for me to select the target for the burst

[clever scroll]

Mine sucks af, it runs at 45 fps xD

[quartz bluff]

MGs > SMGs > ARs > SGs > SRs = RLs would be the order of weapon types suffering from FPS slowdown

[clever scroll]

Old 2021 mobile

[leaden sandal]

yeah I bought a galaxy s24 ultra

[clever scroll]

I can but idk what to do with a big mobile like that

[leaden sandal]

my only issue was in the first few months the game would regularly crash due to that unity bug

[primal saffron]

pretty sure that phone throttles after having nikke open for a while

[clever scroll]

I'm only using my mobile to watch reels and Whatsapp xS

[leaden sandal]

I also wish it would be slightly smaller but I can manage, I have big hands

[clever scroll]

Anyway if one day you wanna try competitive game in solo raid you have to use a tablet or better a pc

Last raid was a crime to mobile players

[quartz bluff]

Perhaps they learned from it

Possibly too late for the Collab Boss though

But the one after it might be adjusted to address all our complaints

[leaden sandal]

hopefully

we also should have a union raid next week

[misty sigil]

2.5 hours for me then testing can begin

[leaden sandal]

have fun

[misty sigil]

[clever scroll]

Damn +9,6k atk

[misty sigil]

welp

water weakness

against fire weak

[clever scroll]

Can you try bunnies pls?

Tove viper Blanc bsoda noir

[misty sigil]

this is against wind weak

[clever scroll]

[misty sigil]

what weakness?

[clever scroll]

Water weak and neutral

Neutral for everyone, bsoda and noir, so maybe fire weak

And if you can, tell me your lines in bsoda and viper

[misty sigil]

bunnies with water weak

[clever scroll]

[misty sigil]

viper gear

[clever scroll]

Well I guess is enough to pull viper in SG cope against water weak boss

[misty sigil]

soda gear, it is rather bad

[clever scroll]

Because she is the only water damage dealer unit in SG comp rn

[misty sigil]

i got no rocks

both are 10/10/10

[clever scroll]

Don't worry boda is a monster in SG comp

[misty sigil]

yeah, its just annoying having no rocks to change gear lines, ive gotten 0 this whole week

actually, maybe 1 or 2

[clever scroll]

Is ok is ok

Viper could works in sg team as damage dealer

That is enough to build her

I'm still building exia

[misty sigil]

replaces leona

[clever scroll]

[clever scroll]

Ehhh is ok but I prefer heal, not everyone has core 7 to survive in solo raid xS

I mean balice is the healer in SG cope but idk

Viper being re enter and balice being re enter too

[misty sigil]

ill most likely use viper in sustain comp in SR, depending on boss and if it does crazy dmg where heals are needed

against fire weak bunnies

[clever scroll]

Dam soda

The real mvp

My soda 7/7/7

Ok thanks for your support

I have an idea now

[misty sigil]

sustain comp against water weak

[clever scroll]

That comp seems possible when a boss with a lot of parts appears

[neon pewter]

against neutral she seems to be in the same level as mpriv

[clever scroll]

But instead of shadow I prefer a healer

[misty sigil]

yeah, and ill swap some units around, prob doro and helm instead of liter and sbs

[clever scroll]

Yeah something like that,

Imo su error was makes her a B2 re enter

It was fucking easy makes her b3

[neon pewter]

yeah

[clever scroll]

[neon pewter]

if it was optional

[clever scroll]

Well for now she is the carry against water weak

In SG cope

[misty sigil]

water weak

[clever scroll]

mmm if you put off aim assist and play manual xlud

And rem

Trying to not hit the core

[misty sigil]

im trying with on first

already half way in the run

[clever scroll]

Xlud is a debuffer too

[misty sigil]

well then

water weak auto

my xlud is lb0 10/8/8 for the record

against train in SI

[quartz bluff]

Sexy damage for the water-weak shooting range

[clever scroll]

Yeah

[misty sigil]

for comparison

[quartz bluff]

I’m concerned about the loss of healing for comps like that, but is fine if you get away with

If healing is needed, Viper might be pigeonholed to run with Helm or Quiry, idk who else. Frima?

[clever scroll]

in easy raids seems possible

[quartz bluff]

Well, could also run Viper + Marciana

[clever scroll]

In raids like M container only whales can

[quartz bluff]

The healing options are there so nothing to worry about, I suppose

[clever scroll]

Play without healers is possible with good cores and at least lvl 5 Sr doll

Otherwise like lb0 no doll hahaha better play with healer

[clever scroll]

Is this full auto neutral?

My Rh neutral synchro 377 makes around 1b

[misty sigil]

full auto water weak

[clever scroll]

mmm ok

Anyway thanks for your help

[misty sigil]

thats a good idea, tove, viper, marciana, soda, mpriv

[misty sigil]

ill be testing a few other teams in the mean time, but no worries

weird ish water dmg team

[clever scroll]

The cope team

[neon pewter]

how much ele dmg % for viper/lewdmilla ?

[misty sigil]

water weak

[misty sigil]

viper is 37.3, lud 23.56

iron weak

[midnight flint]

are you still testing can i make a request?

b1 with no dmg boost idollflower or something
viper
crown
blanc
rosanna
cover burst with viper screenshot a non crit dot tick
burst with crown blanc rosanna screenshot non crit dot tick

[misty sigil]

ill do it in the morning when im on my pc

[midnight flint]

ye no rush ty

[clever scroll]

What a specific test

[midnight flint]

not really looking for like which ones bigger than the other im just pretty sure crown doesnt even work

since its after

[misty sigil]

like crown doesn’t work for sustain dmg?

is that what you mean

[midnight flint]

yea the dot goes off the attack when its cast and doesnt update when crown gives attack

like ssakura not wokring with maxwell cuz she casts then maxwell gives when entering fb

[misty sigil]

ah ic

[tight pawn]

How did u like the Viper+Marci comp for SG

[copper dagger]

Marci kit will be crippled, tove increase ammo, marci is last bullet unit

[tight pawn]

Say less

So for SG comp u just ditch B.Alice and got Viper+Leona and just don’t die?

[copper dagger]

Technically Marci can still be used as her S2 is heal on burst, it's just she won't perform her 100% of her capability.

Other option maybe slot in Helm as B3

The other other option would be getting good at dodging boss attack I guess

Or, SG+bunnies just like when wind weak bosses and people use Guilty

[quartz bluff]

Putting treasure phase 3 Viper with Blanc & Noir is probably the easiest option

Even if opting for no Tove goodness for those two, you can still run the original SG team separately

[hybrid warren]

[leaden sandal]

her dmg vs the coop boss

[clever scroll]

"KUNNYHUB" "NIKKUNNY"

[leaden sandal]

yeah I am in the casual clan but the global ladder is about to be full with us

[misty sigil]

how u didnt get stunned is beyond me

when i did coop, i got stunned every. single. time.

i lost so much dmg

[leaden sandal]

in this run alice had the most hp

[quartz bluff]

its based on current hp value. Character with highest hp gets stunned

[leaden sandal]

she always git stunned when it was time to burst so we had a good 30 sec delay by the end if it

[misty sigil]

is it off hp? when i looked at the deets, it doesnt mention it

[quartz bluff]

RIP if you’re super dolled and geared, but the others aren’t

Especially Crown who’s a Defender…

[leaden sandal]

but I also lost a lot of hp since I had to do the circles, if I could fire all shots into the boss I would also vave a lot more dmg

[misty sigil]

me and my union was doing sg team,

i got 92m in my run

[quartz bluff]

Treasure 3 Laplace did like 70m while getting stunned everytime, and the only B3 in team, because people went troll like Liter, Rei, Mary B1s

Yes, three B1s

I got a 370m run later so all good, I think it’ll survive top 10%

With Xlud tho

[misty sigil]

oh wait

we miss coordinated in the team section and got confused on what we were doing for team comp

[leaden sandal]

lol only 1 b3

[misty sigil]

when i did solo coop without coordination, i waited full 55s to see if anyone would choose another b2, but didnt (also idk how this dudes name is allowed in game, but had to cover it bc it was n word)

[short wadi]

Use Leona over crown and check

Do water weak

Tove viper M.Priv B.Soda leona

[short wadi]

Can you also share mPriv's skill and gear

Crown is a bit biased towards viper cuz viper bursts every 20s

Leona should be more fair

[misty sigil]

her OLs arent the best but here

[misty sigil]

only idoll and viper burst, no one else, gonna do other bursts now

crown burst, also hit 288k non crit

blanc, but also hits 247

rosanna burst

this is on fire weak btw, ill do water now

[midnight flint]

oh so crown does work even bursting after

[misty sigil]

solo viper burst on water weak

also solo viper burst, nearing end of buffs i presume

viper, blanc

[midnight flint]

hmm i just retested sakura with maxwell and the dot is bigger with her

idk if this was changed or the person testing was wrong before

[misty sigil]

viper and crown

this was more consistent

rosanna, every hit was 523, hit 445 once, then hit 523 all the other times

[clever scroll]

As I said yesterday I like this comp against water weak solo raid

[misty sigil]

this was the comp

[misty sigil]

want me to do this test?

[midnight flint]

na i did it

dots do increase with buffs that happen after

ty for testing viper

[misty sigil]

[misty sigil]

did it answer the questions you had?

[midnight flint]

yes

[misty sigil]

well since nex union raid has water weak, i could do more testing when that happens next week

[misty sigil]

thats good then

[short wadi]

Thanks

[misty sigil]

want me to do anything else or is that all

[short wadi]

2 ele 2 atk 2 ammo on viper
2 atk 2 ammo on soda
1 ele 1 atk 1 ammo on mpriv

[short wadi]

Just can you give me skills for Leona?

Also, geez

How do you have 101010 on all sg units

[short wadi]

Buni

[misty sigil]

i think she is 1/7/1

[misty sigil]

i heavily invested into sg team

[clever scroll]

[misty sigil]

lemme check

[clever scroll]

Now wait for drake treasure to save fire element in sg cope

[misty sigil]

thats what a guy in my union wants, he is the shotty fanatic, and invested into them day one, and converted me, hes built sugar, guilty, drake, mpriv, soda, viper, even neve

for all the elemental coverage

[clever scroll]

My love is 9/7/7

I'm happy now

Actually drake's kit isn't bad, just increase their numbers and she will back

I mean, is bad because low numbers in self buff

[short wadi]

Good lad

[misty sigil]

[clever scroll]

666

[misty sigil]

leona has been left in the dust for the time being

[short wadi]

Hmm might be time to ol her xD

I don't know how strong her damage can be compared to viper

[misty sigil]

been upgarding summer rosy and sakura, for sustain comp

[short wadi]

I'm pretty sure that

S.sakura only comes into play against wind weak

[misty sigil]

7/10/7

4/7/9

[short wadi]

Well, s Rosanna is good

Proven to be good

On 2 raids

Buffers are always nutty

[misty sigil]

planning to 10 her burst, afterwards have no plans on skill mats for time being

[clever scroll]

Rosanna and Rh saved p5

[misty sigil]

maybe invest into xlud skills a bit more

[misty sigil]

shes also hot, which is nice

[clever scroll]

[misty sigil]

also summer sakura needs parts for good dmg too

[clever scroll]

Is ok we need more pure element dmg

At one point we'll see pure element teams

[misty sigil]

water weak for the record, not bad

[clever scroll]

Nah keep viper in SG

Feed you Leona and you are done

[misty sigil]

for union raids yeah, solo raids may need to use this

[clever scroll]

Solo raid sometimes is a mess

[misty sigil]

wind weak

[leaden sandal]

eventually we will get the liter and helm replacememt

[drifting beacon]

I wont

[quartz bluff]

I have no idea if T3 Laplace is weaker than T3 Viper, but

Which T3 character is weaker doesn’t matter since they’re different elements

[hybrid warren]

🤷‍♂️

[quartz bluff]

Viper > Laplace?

[hybrid warren]

yes

[quartz bluff]

RIP

[hybrid warren]

so invest on her

and cry later to no me

[quartz bluff]

Put it in writing

[hybrid warren]

I did, berate her so hard Snake had to rewrite it

okay exit done

only Piper left

[misty sigil]

viper is bae

[clever scroll]

Wild

[hardy charm]

Just did a run with fully upgraded Favorite Item viper and she wasn't killed by the Blacksmith tentacles if she had burst at least once.

Stunned, but the "attack" didn't hit to kill her like it would normally.

[leaden sandal]

hmm while that is good to know it sadly doesn't matter, the stun is whats the annoying part

[hardy charm]

The stun cleared after the attack failed to hit though.

It certainly felt like a bug, but favorite items make the game play weird.

[leaden sandal]

yeah but the immunity shield is still there till you clear the atk

[hardy charm]

True, and in pick-up coop, no one else will.

[leaden sandal]

yeah but I am trying to use her for max dmg

don't have a screenshot of our best run (was 720m with a second alice) but this one was close

[quartz bluff]

Yeah, Blacksmith should not be targeting Viper while she has Vamp status

That includes the stun

[real marten]

I wonder if the lock mobs can target her

The ones that deal no damage

[leaden sandal]

no single target attack will hit her

[real marten]

Yeah but Blacksmith does

So the question is now whether it's a Blacksmith bug, or a non-damaging attack bug

Perhaps applying conditions (e.g. stun) isn't considered an "attack" for example

In which case it's not even a bug but just poor wording

[hardy charm]

Blacksmith usually won't. I think it is a rare condition where Viper also has the highest HP

[real marten]

Actually hold up

You said that no damage was taken?

That's very weird

1 sec should've passed so she shouldn't be invulnerable

Unless you entered full burst while she was stunned

Timed perfectly to save her

[hardy charm]

No, it happened three times during that run.

Between bursts

The coop team didn't interrupt the attack, so my Viper should have been one-shot. She didn't take any damage at all.

My Viper was properly ignored on the two coop runs I used her in today (third run I used XLud).

Then again, hard to properly judge because one of the runs was with a Crown who certainly took the taunt.

[misty sigil]

for me, in coop, my viper got stunned every single time, but didnt take any dmg at all, and all the others got downed and i stayed alive, til i was the only one left.
either i got stunned again, and got downed since i was only one left, or battle ended. also bursting just before stun didnt work either, still got stunned

[hardy charm]

The stun doesn't count as an attack because Viper shouldn't be targeted at all, but the lethal hit from the tentacles doesn't occur. Very strange.

I'm leaning toward it being a coop Blacksmith bug, because previously even before her Treasure, Viper would get ignored in Solo Raids.

[leaden sandal]

dmg vs lvl 8 nihilister

[crystal dove]

Mind doing a run using SBS/Alice? 👀

SBS should outperform RH vs Nihi

[leaden sandal]

sure

[leaden sandal]

she does

but maxwells atk buff is just amazing

*this was against lvl 9

[crystal dove]

Thanks!

Viper's treasure is the last one I don't have, so I'm having to decide whether to go for it or save my kits for next batch

[leaden sandal]

well she is very good

but keep in mind my viper has 100% elemental dmg

maybe go for the random boxxes, the next treasure should get added to the loot pool just like vipers and then you can get both at the same time

[fleet fiber]

i am around 70% towards my last treasure skill unlock

is she like, still unusable or?

[leaden sandal]

with her final upgrade she fills a similar spot as modernia, the 3rd dps unit in the team

[misty sigil]

lvl 10

[crystal dove]

Have you tried her against AI Harvester?

[leaden sandal]

yes but the adds are annoying

I play on mobile and can't put abilities on auto since it always targets the adds instead of the boss

[crystal dove]

Oof

[hardy charm]

I tried Viper on Harvester. She helps. But I'm not sure it is ideal. I can't get to stage 6 on any of the bosses due to stats, but it is closer with Viper.

I lost Crown on this run, but it gives you a good idea how Viper performs.

[crystal dove]

That is considerable damage

[real marten]

I don't know if she's team 1 tier for water weak bosses (aka AI) but she'll definitely appear somewhere in any future water weak raid

Likely in a Crown team

Crown's S1 is just too good for her

[misty sigil]

2.1b in union range

[clever scroll]

How good is viper against Harvester?

[shut dagger]

what was the weakness ? whats the investment on other sg's ?

[misty sigil]

water weak

all sgs are 10/10/10 full OL

[misty sigil]

she was quite good, i nearly one shot lvl 10, got to 2b dmg

[misty sigil]

[clever scroll]

Yeah, because +12% of Ludmilla damage taken

[fleet fiber]

Im couple days away from maxed viper treasure, what team would she fit in in SR? is it a shotgun?

[hybrid warren]

not really

[fleet fiber]

what team then

[misty sigil]

wym

[clever scroll]

Remember xlud buff the party

She debuff the target with -12% damage taken

[misty sigil]

ahh

i did other runs

2.7b

[clever scroll]

Water weak right?

[misty sigil]

all of them are

[sleek mulch]

How does she perform in AI

[misty sigil]

this was auto

albeit my viper got some major upgrades

[sleek mulch]

oh i meant the new interception.
but if that was auto...

[misty sigil]

oh, i havent tried it on new interception

it was also done on my phone and not on my pc too

so idk if that makes any difference

[hardy charm]

Viper makes a difference on Harvester, but I'm not sure about what the optimal teams are.

Your choices are no Dorothy or no healer when you include Viper. And no Dorothy is really not an option because she keeps the adds down.

[clever scroll]

I know is viper thread but...

sbs xlud best comp?

@misty sigil can you try my comp but viper instead of xlud?

sbs alice (manual no macro) as damage dealers

[hardy charm]

Xlud is presumably better because once you take off the head, it is a core for her to proc off of.

I'd be more interested in trading out Alice.

[clever scroll]

alice for viper?

yeah why not

anyway this is manual alice+ xlud filler

if you can octo try replacing viper for xlud and alice

[misty sigil]

what do i need to do for harvester

never done him yet

looking at the short attempts ive done with liter, viper, sbs, alice and crown, sbs is on top, then viper is behind by like 100-200 mil

my xlud only has 1 ele roll so her dmg is dreadful against this

doing same dmg as alice

[clever scroll]

Shooting range is kek better try with real bosses

[misty sigil]

that was against harvester

[echo sable]

Fire boss
Viper 10/4/10 3lmb
Atk 26%
Ele 36%

Soda 8/10/10 3 lmb
Atk 35%

PriM 10/10/9 Core 6
Atk 40%

Iron boss

[short wadi]

Huh

mPriv and viper should have same performance on iron boss as fire boss

[echo sable]

Fire boss >>> water weak

[short wadi]

Ohh my bad

[short wadi]

The reason why viper is accepted as good shotgun is because of crown

In tove she is not as good of a fit

[short wadi]

Similar to exia, she can burst every burst, and hence gets crown atk buff every burst

Soda and mPriv only get it every other burst

[echo sable]

water weak
Viper 10/4/10 3lmb
Atk 26%
Ele 36%

Xlud 9/8/8 0lmb
ATK 22%
Ele 20%

sbs 10/7/10 core 1
ATK 40%

[echo sable]

harvester test

[shut dagger]

can I ask how the hell sbs survies there

[clever scroll]

Cover

[echo sable]

compare SG team (perfect run)
Viper + Marciana and Leona + B.alice
Boss wind ( fire weak)

[echo sable]

Leona 10/10/10 3 LMB
ATK 7.59%

[echo sable]

Marciana 5/5/1 0 LMB
No ol.

[misty sigil]

my viper investment is unrealistic

[echo sable]

My viper can still upgrade skill 2 and reset OL to increase ATK and find Hit rate.

If this were done, damage should be about same as PriM with neutral Boss.

[shut dagger]

mine just gets shredded

I guess its sync issue

[clever scroll]

Probably

[fleet fiber]

bro says not really but every post here is seen viper in a shotgun team

[echo sable]

If there is a new DPS SG B3 instead of PriM

Might be able to play Viper + Marciana instead of Leona + B.alice.

If the new DPS doesn't need Leona's buff......

[fleet fiber]

care to remind me on what leona does

is it hit rate?

[echo sable]

Hit Rate and Increases pellets for PriM

[fleet fiber]

uhh, hit rate, pellets, crit, effective range and crit dmg, everything that a SG dps wants?

lol

[echo sable]

The effective range is good, but the added range is too short to barely see the effect.......

Leona is needed for PriM more than SG team needs Leona.

[misty sigil]

the core units for sg team are tove and msoda

[clever scroll]

msoda...

[hardy charm]

B.Alice buffs Viper too, but you can't use them together practically since they both recycle the burst stage.

I failed to screenshot, but it's amusing and impractical.

[misty sigil]

just need a 20s b3

[hybrid warren]

that's her most optimal team except it has no practical use

it's like you put Crown and Naga for Laplace

I mean, sure

but who does that in serious content

[fluid terrace]

viper simps will do that

[echo sable]

Could you please tell me what your viper OL do you have ?

[misty sigil]

gimme 5 mins, my OL for her is unrealistic

[lament ermine]

How many rocks did that take?

[misty sigil]

maybe around 25-30?

[leaden sandal]

ohh you rerolled them quite a bit

[short wadi]

The final idea is that

Viper is essentially meta when there is no core and water weak

When there is a core, neutral element units tend to outdps her, units such as Alice, SBS, redhood, mod

xLud obviously is better

[midnight flint]

why no core tho? half the ppl with viper treasure have her skill 2 at 10 and black hit rate lines xD

[fluid terrace]

sg and rl can't really exploit core as well as all the other weapon types (so no amazing damage increase when core is present) but sg's performance is generally better for no cores compared to the other weapon types

[misty sigil]

against water weak? or against neutral weak?

[short wadi]

Water weak

[misty sigil]

[leaden sandal]

tbf, she can reach 90% hit rate on her own with her inate 40,5% hit rate + 4 OL, in the new ol stone economy having 4 ele, 4 hit rate, 3 atk and 1 ammo isn't that outlandish

I have 4 ele, 2 hit rate, 2 atk and 1 max ammo on her already and thats with a total of 9 stones invested

[short wadi]

Try on Harvester

[short wadi]

Dorothy viper xLud SBS crown
Or
Dorothy viper SBS Alice Crown

[short wadi]

Maybe use liter if you want to since you have SBS

[misty sigil]

would it make any difference?

[clever scroll]

Liter>Dorothy

Don't worry, SBS kills everything

[misty sigil]

they died with 5s left

[short wadi]

Can you tell build of xLud, SBS and viper

[clever scroll]

SBS 500m

Oh no Alice but anyway

[short wadi]

@misty sigil oh this is good actually because your viper did exactly as much damage as deo's

You can check the difference between built SBS and xLud compared to a built viper here

[short wadi]

The fact that ditching viper gave more damage is also smthng to look out for

[short wadi]

It's not about investments, it's about the gain

It seems that units like MGs and SRs simply gain more from core hitting

Vs nihilister this would be a completely different story

Viper would dominate almost all of these units, even xLud

[misty sigil]

with liter

sbs died with 2s left

[short wadi]

Try changing viper to Alice now, don't burst with xLud

[misty sigil]

crown died at 7s, then liter at 5s, then sbs and alice at 2

for the record, im doing all these tests on my phone

[misty sigil]

very useful getting 9 viper mats

[fleet fiber]

I just got my viper last treasure upgrade, what’s the verdict on her. What sort of team would she be usable in, in terms of SR? What about her investments

[real marten]

Treasure raises her to a Mid tier water DPS who occupies slot 5 (flex) in a team due to being B1.5

Good News! We have almost no high tier water DPS units! So bring her out any water weak soloraid.

OL's should be elemental damage since she's unlikely to see use dealing neutral damage.

Teams: Crown is her best friend due to synergy with Crown S1, and Crown giving the team durability which lowers the pressure to swap Viper for a healer in the flex slot she occupies.

Possibly worth swapping bunny alice for her if shotgun team doesn't need the healing? I haven't seen the math done for that one yet, but presumably her damage is preferable to Bunny Alice's reload & stack count buffs.

[echo sable]

not bad for this solo raid

[fleet fiber]

im so sad not seeing viper being used in Skyjlv's SR spreadsheet

[hybrid warren]

you can try removing Marciana

and run a healer-less

or Marci => Alice

[clever scroll]

I guess he has viper stage 3 so he has to use another b2

He has he he

[misty sigil]

yep

need 2 b2s

[glass tusk]

skill investment on Viper?

burst to 10?

10/4/10?

[clever scroll]

7/7/7 the beat breakpoint for people who isn't whaling books

10/10/10 only if the character is insanely broken, ~~or you whale enough ~~

[leaden sandal]

4 is more then enough for her second skill

the other 6 level only add about 15% hit rate iirc

unless you want to reach 90% without leona then you need it at 10+ 4 good rolled OL

[short wadi]

Should be up on prydwen
Share here as well cuz I don't remember what I put there

[glass tusk]

no pins

[short wadi]

Yeah cuz I don't remember it

[clever scroll]

7/7/7 low investment?

Probably we need her the next water weak raid

[low gust]

If Cinderella is Water like it's hinted we'll need Viper for 2nd Anni SR

[misty sigil]

i 10/10/10 bc she is best unit

[peak moat]

I am left with Viper’s and Frima’s treasure to do. Is Viper’s of higher priority than Frima’s? It looks like ppl’s opinion on Viper treasure has changed.

[short wadi]

Yes

[peak moat]

Is it just because we don’t really have a true damage team yet?

[quartz bluff]

It’s because they sabotaged Frima

Let’s talk about recent Massive Object solo raid

Boss starts with a thick shield and it blocks Frima’s on-full-charge-hit debuff

So she can’t stack it for the first or even second burst unless you quickly break it by then

Without that stack, she can’t activate her true dmg selfbuff, which is needed to do the true dmg teambuffs

Oh and she needs it ready before she bursts

It can’t in the middle of the burst, RIP

So what happens? With the phase transition QTE, and the start of battle thick shield, Frima basically has what I felt like 50% uptime on her true dmg teambuffs By that, I meant, half the time you expect to have it, you won’t That kind of uptime

So my “true damage team” did only ~500m. It was in the 440m or so.

[real marten]

Honestly it's because a generic water DPS is way more useful than a niche B1.

We can only ever take 5 B1s, while we can take up to 15 DPS.

Even if viper only sees use for water weak raids that's at least a reliable use

And until like another 5+ water DPS are released she's in no danger of being powercreeped out of soloraid use

While Anachiro being B1 will basically be the nail in Frima's coffin

[noble swallow]

Im thinking of getting her treasure after diesel

Is it a good idea? I already have laplace

[clever scroll]

If you like and enjoy solo raid

It is

[short wadi]

Lack of water dps

No water dps exist

Apart from xLid

Situationally emidlia

Maybe rem but she replaces blanc-noir at best

[crystal dove]

Also true damage is gimmicky

The main issue with true damage (as well as majority of Nikke's with DEF▼ debuffs) is that defence usually isn't really that big of an issue outside of PvP, meaning that true damage only provides a relatively small boost to damage; unless the units with true damage are very strong to begin with, one is better off just using stronger units

Elemental strength, on the other hand, is the most meta method of damage production we have, and, as Snake said, Water is on the thin side atm

[glass tusk]

high def will be annoying if applied to mobs

mother whale screams

and it's not ideal for laplace, but laplace burst technically MG

[hybrid warren]

SMG

and MW converts raptures into something else

true damage can't bypass 1 dmg check

[misty sigil]

hes figuring it out

[wild jetty]

He's cooking

[misty sigil]

SU pls cinderella b3 water sg

[wild jetty]

[clever scroll]

People want Cinderella to be mg or sniper

Or both xD

[neon pewter]

it'll be RL like noah

[quartz bluff]

SG Burst 3 sounds a lot like Isabel

Now I sorta dread some event where Cinderella and Isabel fuse into an alter

[misty sigil]

isabel treasure then

or drake treasure

[jolly hinge]

drake treasure 💯

[clever scroll]

Just make drake S1 and S2 X5 and it's done

They don't need to cope sustained damage or re enter B3 shits on her

[hybrid warren]

Drake skill is so strong she performs at 1/1/1

and doesn't scale at 10/10/10

that shit crazed

[clever scroll]

Yeah from 7% to 11,85% is kek

If they make her some cope like true damage in burst or re enter B3 gosh

[fluid terrace]

cindy to be b3 water dual smg

[clever scroll]

Dual mg

Dual sniper during burst

[quartz bluff]

Quad sniper

Go big!

https://tenor.com/view/lyca-productions-attack-हमला-rajnikanth-guns-gif-12726110

What's a word that describes infinite guns?

[hybrid warren]

she will use a new gun

the 7th one

one gun to rule them all

[clever scroll]

New weapon seems possible

Would greatly increase the hype

[hybrid warren]

her weapon can be like: Mirror the damage dealt by your team

then you burst with Alice

that shit crazed

[glass tusk]

cinderella smg

hmmm.......

[clever scroll]

Smg smh

[glass tusk]

then solo raid boss on cinderella banner has charge speed debuff

cinderella provides remove debuff

[clever scroll]

-100% charge speed