The Eden

[modern flower]

Oh you are a kid

[shut siren]

yesnt

[silk crypt]

💀

[torn forge]

fellas, i'm finally blue now 💀
https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-20-2013/vRkedP.gif

[fathom parcel]

That is actually rarer than getting a banner SSR within 10 pull

[shut siren]

whats the math to figure that out again

[quasi dagger]

Then I got both in 20. I got that, then the next banner, got the pickup girl 1st with a Pilgrim to boot

[shut siren]

nice

[quasi dagger]

But figuring out puzzles is kinda interesting. Playing plenty of puzzle & escape room + logic games helps with just looking at something & figuring it out within minutes

Sure, they're some puzzles even I can't solve easily, but I can say that I'm fairly decent at uncovering answers if I can see how everything works

[static hearth]

Da ba dee da ba die (internally dying)

[oblique ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/tobias-funke-david-cross-blue-myself-arrested-development-face-palm-gif-3567424

[static hearth]

Avatar (2009)

[oblique ravine]

Also, all other avatar movies

[lean lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/yell-gopher-kit-gif-14542575

IT'S WEDNESDAY SHIFTUP

GIB KIT

[visual oyster]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059468005911830558/1232761944759603250/image0.gif

[frosty acorn]

BITCH AINT EVEN PULLING AND HE HERE YELLING

[fathom parcel]

just tradition in this channel moving foward

[lean lichen]

[oblique ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-nerd-cat-blink-big-eyes-gif-15286305703160120854

[timber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

[twin pier]

I just woke up, where's the kit?
My prediction was <t:1715767200:R>

[silk crypt]

what kit

[fervent mantle]

kit is a lie

[twin pier]

Trony's

[meager pendant]

I think ven posted the kit

[visual oyster]

they prob still tweaking the numbers maybe?

[grim merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/968098119717904433/1215544090007969802/RupeeShake_1_1.gif

[vital hatch]

her in battle pose will be without the mech ?

[grim merlin]

Can’t get bullet holes in the gaming rig

[heady gate]

Change the values with cheats

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1239331879987974155.gif?quality=lossless&size=60

[modern flower]

https://tenor.com/view/yell-gopher-kit-gif-14542575

[pale egret]

||Kurwa||

[frosty acorn]

Facundo demands to know if he needs to pull meta

The upcoming snake

[modern flower]

=16 kids

[heady gate]

AaaaaaaAAAAA

[modern flower]

I'm casual player

[vital hatch]

tomorrow is patch day and we dont have shooting pose yet

kinda weird

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/stickers/1088043613671411712.png

[meager pendant]

not really

they post the kit with the shooting pose

[heady gate]

There's still 18h to go

[vital hatch]

could be intern kun forgot to tweet it

[twin pier]

<t:1715767200:R>

[heady gate]

We can post that every hour...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/731034665917349898.png?quality=lossless&size=60

[balmy night]

i get the impression they're still running on 1st gear after releasing the 1.5 anni event for Nikke and Stellar Blade and going on vacation after that lol. Wouldn't be surprised if they still have only a skeleton crew manning the Nikke socmed apparatus and doing the minimum necessary for the upkeep of the game.

[vital hatch]

the SB team is different though

[meager pendant]

nah

that isnt how game dev works

they dont just "go on vacation bcause a game launches"

[vital hatch]

post release is one of the more stressful time

[heady gate]

Also, is it me or did they post Modernia&Crown wallpaper twice and took that down?

[granite sorrel]

guys... just be like me, sleep peacefu- wait, dont be like me, just be patient thats all, dont be like me

[twin pier]

I got the notification

Too

[meager pendant]

For games like NIKKE they will have multiple teams. You have forward teams that work on an event 2-3 events ahead if not more, then you have teams that follow up, some alternate etc

[heady gate]

Failed trony post

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/603607141332287498.png?quality=lossless&size=60

[vital hatch]

live events usually ready 1 month before the live date

[fervent mantle]

kit ?

[twin pier]

<t:1715767200:R>

1h 50m

[granite sorrel]

50 you mean

[meager pendant]

yeah its not one team doing every event, that would be impossible on a 2 week schedule lol

[twin pier]

Yeah, i just woke up

[vital hatch]

yes, and you always have to have backup events in case stuff happen

filler unit exist kinda because of that too, they need more time to cook something else, so they release a very mediocre unit that won't change stuff

Quiry, Bay come to mind

[twin pier]

Nero

[heady gate]

Bay is PvP for "poor"

[vital hatch]

good design though

[heady gate]

Yeah

[vital hatch]

Nikke rarely miss with char design

[heady gate]

Wasted Animation potential

Fking skirt

[fervent mantle]

so when will they release rapi ssr

i am sure they have her ready already

[oblique ravine]

Or scarletless like me

Aka poor

[heady gate]

I don't even use scarlet in pvp

I am not sweaty enough for top10

[oblique ravine]

I legit got knocked down from c1 to c10 overnight. I feel it’s time for me to stop sweating too

I can’t do shit without scarlet and Noah

[lean lichen]

kit doesn't exist

[heady gate]

Damn...

[vital hatch]

in what kind of bracket can you get c1 without Scarlet and Noah ???

[oblique ravine]

In mine

No turbo whales

Just medium sized dolphins

[remote vault]

Everyone pls tag me when kit's out

[oblique ravine]

not just get to c1, stay there since the beginning of this season too

[remote vault]

Idm if there's 1000000000 ping

[fathom parcel]

Well..i do hope trony kits is just mid at best

Slowing down powercreep

[grim merlin]

Time to accelerate it

[oblique ravine]

Inb4 YouTube vids with wide open mouth thumbnails talking about how trony gonna power creep redhood

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1042470672615620648/1239206353738661948/image0.gif

[vernal ibex]

Still no kit?

[twin pier]

My dog ate it

[oblique ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-doge-coin-gif-21718148

[vernal ibex]

Devs be like: It's a skip banner, so we're skipping the kit

[scenic sphinx]

devs be like: you guys already posted the kit, we don't have to

[lean lichen]

no kit

[lean lichen]

LMFAO

[lean lichen]

they saw the kit, thought it looks nice and are not building trony around that kit

[fathom parcel]

kit reveal after maintenance

i can guranteed that

[lean lichen]

[vital hatch]

kit in 10 minutes

[lean lichen]

kit <t:1715839200:R>

[vital hatch]

you actually think we're getting the kit at all

that's some cope

[lean lichen]

timestamp is maintenance end

imagine they just release a unit without kit

she just sits in cover does nothing

[vital hatch]

people would pull so hard anyway

[lean lichen]

[vital hatch]

i believe sanis was in the last 24h kit reveal too

[topaz oak]

kit?

[lean lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/yell-gopher-kit-gif-14542575

[remote vault]

Kit's out

[supple raft]

https://tenor.com/view/yell-gopher-kit-gif-14542575

[remote vault]

[meager pendant]

Good kit tbh

[vital hatch]

gacha companies: leakers ruin the surprise

the surprise:

[lean lichen]

kit in 2

[remote vault]

Imagine that was the real kit

Lmeo

[vital hatch]

long ass 2 minutes

I played that shit so good

[meager pendant]

https://youtu.be/YB6c9L7OqCU?si=3NisN9WTgGG47dHA

[shut siren]

there it is

[twin pier]

https://vxtwitter.com/NIKKE_en/status/1790668517198684377?t=gYxrtlGNKk1x6yV7pko5OA&s=19

[shut siren]

oh neat her table IS there

[granite sorrel]

the real kit

i lost internet for 3mins to be revealed real kit

[shut siren]

wait they actually cropped the lower half out of trony's burst

lmao

[granite sorrel]

fine trade

[vital hatch]

selfish dps

no buffs

for team

[shut siren]

thats kinda neat though

but uh

that table is way too small now

[remote vault]

Lmao

What's that scale

100% atk in 10s

[grim merlin]

Bro the FAT 10% def down!!!!!!

[remote vault]

????

[granite sorrel]

big ass wtf is this

[lean lichen]

Hello everyone, we seem to have gotten a new Nikke reveal!
The new Nikke Trony has been revealed! Kindly discuss Trony in the appropriate channel:

Trony: https://discord.com/channels/968096627002851379/1240227443562905661

[vital hatch]

she has the smallest ass ever seen in nikke

wtf

put it back in the oven

[static hearth]

Signal without the heal

[vital hatch]

and some people have this as their fetish

[granite sorrel]

accumulate damage by the caster

meaning that its gonna be shit damage since it only comes from her dmg

thank you shift up

[static hearth]

Ass aside, that's a skip for me...

[granite sorrel]

i will violently skip this unit

[vital hatch]

i dislike her model

so this is a w in a weird way

[shut siren]

i guess i was right about the formatting and background issues. easy way to tell if a kit is fake from now on unless someone goes really into the details

[umbral lantern]

Korea

[vital hatch]

also

what did i tell ya

fake leaks too much effort

real shit is lazy like this

[meager pendant]

We all knew it was fake

[weary ivy]

[meager pendant]

Yall trippin

[vital hatch]

everybody but jeff

[shut siren]

i did too. some people didnt though. but anyway

idk what to make of it

the kit that is

[modern flower]

Not horny

[shut siren]

it was about the weirdly small table under her leg

[static hearth]

I took it with a grain of salt, I wanted to wait and see

[shut siren]

you know im not like that

[vital hatch]

20 people think the fake leak could be real

few ppl argue

[scenic sphinx]

her proportions from the back looks weird

[shut siren]

yeah her ass and spine vanish

its not very well made

i guess it could be hard to draw it but...

[vital hatch]

fire this nikke artist

[remote vault]

This kit is like SBS

[static hearth]

Now that I think of it, it reminds me that one scene from Deadpool 2 where Wade's legs were regrowing

[remote vault]

Need to burst to deal huge dmg

[remote vault]

And lots of charge spd

[static hearth]

Dude had baby legs

[remote vault]

Basically she's fire SBS

[shut siren]

im too casual to understand her kit in the slightest

[meager pendant]

Doro + sbs tbh

[remote vault]

Every full charge stack up 1500% dmg

[meager pendant]

Though I want to see how the skills interact

[remote vault]

But without bursting u can only do 50% of normal dmg

Bursting will double time

[shut siren]

https://tenor.com/view/spacepatroluluco-anime-unsure-worry-ok-gif-10200414

is 1500 a particularly high number or...

[topaz oak]

trony kinda huge

101

[vital hatch]

first time seeing a sniper rifle? haha

alice is the same

[shut siren]

that first burst she does should hit really fucking hard right? her with elegg would make trony nuke something that first time. 40 second cooldown sounds annoying though.

[remote vault]

Bursting will double time stacking progress

The mechanic is same on SBS

Need to burst

[vital hatch]

she looks real garbage

maybe sees use to counter wind raids

[remote vault]

There will be a number like Doro burst

[vital hatch]

because nihilister is ass too

[static hearth]

I'm skipping regardless, I'm not into feet and I have more decent B3 options

[remote vault]

And it will instantly explode when reaching max

So the kit requires u to reach max as fast as u can

To deal huge dmg

That requires charge spd

And bursting

That's all

[shut siren]

elegg + trony + maxwell + charge cube?

[vital hatch]

the dmg won't be huge

doro's burst is based on team wide dmg

[shut siren]

or i guess with enough overload you wont need a cube

[remote vault]

U know that Trony can give stack every's full charge right ?

Her scale is atker

[vital hatch]

trony's effect 2

real nice

50% of dmg hahaha

no i don't think she's very good myself

[remote vault]

It just a condition require you to burst

Like how on SBS

[shut siren]

so are feet like a censored thing or is it because her foot isnt always in front of her crotch for her burst

so theyre playing it safe

[heady gate]

Dirty feet. Ew

[shut siren]

i mean... i guess it makes sense they'd be dirty on a battlefield?

so wait. if idle animations and whats happening in story arent really connected

is trony just walking around on infectious crystals with bare feet?

[heady gate]

And her kit is ass.. meh

Missilis pepega sbs

[heady gate]

Lmao

[long imp]

It's so over

[shut siren]

i think theyre just playing it safe

but idk

[fathom parcel]

tbh, she seems fine i guess

which is good since i don't plan on pulling

[modern flower]

Don't lewd lolis guys

[vital hatch]

her ENG VA is too mature

[topaz plover]

put those devs on the watchlist

[shut siren]

for horribly drawn everything? sure.

why's the table so small? why's her ass gone? why does she have frog feet?

[vital hatch]

the table looks like a toilet

lmao

[quick lake]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shut siren]

im concerned how she dealt with stuff in her room... i hope she had a bathroom

[topaz plover]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-dog-joke-i-dont-care-about-your-joke-gif-12811244

[shut siren]

i knew the joke but geez

[fringe sundial]

Smol

[tepid imp]

[topaz plover]

???????????

[tepid imp]

@wide verge you were right

although I can't even imagine using Epinel

[quick lake]

Epinel is good

[hushed zenith]

Epinel's screenwipe is the stuff of legend

[white kelp]

Laplace is that bad

[wide verge]

Hey shit. I wasn't expecting a response that fast. But yeah the reason why I thought Epinel was better for specifically Tower was just that everybody plays every single Campaign-styled stage using the same 2 Burst technique. We mapwipe with Burst 1 after the initial wave of trash spawn, we use Full Burst time to finish off the initial elites and take out stragglers in between the initial wave and the stage boss, and then we use Burst 2 on a targetable single target burst, Maxwell, SW, RH, or Alice, to take out the stage boss. Epinel was literally the only mapwipe in Missilis before Kilo.

It's not even like a math thing. It's a stage design thing.

[tepid imp]

problem is her map wipe is kinda wack

450%

[wide verge]

Oh yeah it is.

[tepid imp]

and you have to rely on auto attack to farm those kill stacks

[wide verge]

Epinel still has the issue of needing to kill trash to stack her attack buff, and because you're not investing in her for anything other than Tower, she will underperform Laplace and Drake for a lot of people.

[tepid imp]

I can't even imagine you gaining those stacks later on

even my Midlet with burst 10 and 10 S1 can't even finish mobs in high deficit

[wide verge]

But yeah I just don't rely on her attack buff. It's a thing that helps me chip down the elites and enemies in between the initial wave and stage boss, and otherwise I do not care about it.

That sounds like you're trying too hard in too high a deficit.

I have used Epinel cause she's at the same level of investment as my Laplace on main, and because I'm not gonna spend more than a few minutes attempting tower stages. If I was taking it that seriously, it would be worth the Epinel investment.

Though given Kilo is also a decent PvP unit she definitely takes the crown for Missilis Tower mapwipe even if she doesn't outperform Epinel.

Better to invest in units you can use in more than one place.

[wide verge]

Also Laplace isn't that bad, she just isn't a mapwipe and is worse than Maxwell, so she doesn't have a place in a theoretical hyper optimized Missilis Tower team. For a lot of people she can be better to use than Epinel, but she depends on having significantly more investment than Epinel to avoid CP suppression.

Even if we didn't have a duo using 2 slots to run in Missilis Tower you probably still wouldn't use Laplace, because Drake's attack buff during full burst is more in the 5th slot than Laplace has. Laplace is better than Drake and Epinel for boss stages though.

[modern flower]

Maxwell in manga

[shut siren]

did maxwell shrink

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-nikke-pierce-shot-nikke-gif-14286232215896893941

definitely smaller lol

[modern flower]

I want her skin

[lethal spade]

SU tummy company

[modern flower]

For real

[vital hatch]

Bottom right kinda yikes

Top right best

[dense elbow]

Top right might as well be a guy’s

Top left and middle right best

[dense elbow]

Could be real

[vital hatch]

Could be

But why would they use the burst logo of fake

[lethal spade]

Based they come in with good direction

[heady gate]

Ooooooooh the abdomen...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1136974453503439018.png?quality=lossless&size=60

[vital hatch]

I like em fit like my girl

[heady gate]

Jeff pls

Font doesn't match at all compared to original

[dense elbow]

Jeff pls

[heady gate]

Even I know better font to use and it's name is kinda ironic

[dense elbow]

How is Trony supposed to deal 1536% atk in damage over 5 seconds?

[heady gate]

Math

[vital hatch]

https://vxtwitter.com/NIKKE_en/status/1790668517198684377

[topaz plover]

this is too high detail

fake

[heady gate]

No shit bro

Look bottom left

[vital hatch]

Im lookin at booba

[topaz plover]

shift down corp

lmfao

[lean lichen]

this was fake from the start, check watermark

[topaz plover]

https://tenor.com/view/clutch-kopling-kungfu-tongkat-gif-14241787

[lean lichen]

i'm still confused how they forgot the watermark on trony kit

[lean lichen]

orange trony is real -> posted on official twitter
K is fake -> watermark
green trony is fake -> 90% misalignments + wrong watermark + doesn't match with patchnotes

it's simple

[dense elbow]

What’s the math

[fast finch]

the guy behind this calculator quit?

[vital hatch]

How is green fake when they have to right burst logo for trony?

Where did they got it

[fast finch]

stop working if outpost is above lvl300

[supple raft]

this kit has a lot of stacking dots amirite

[heady gate]

Math says it's a skip.
50% of 1536%

[dense elbow]

she doesn't reach 1536%

[lean lichen]

that i don't know. the point that her kit does not match the patchnotes still stands

[dense elbow]

but yes its' just a 50% buff

to her own damge

which is shite

[lean lichen]

cuz they sure as hell won't completely give misinformation in patchnotes

[heady gate]

Use the one on nikke-db

I mean shows mats

As for calculator on how much it will take, it should be on nikke.gg iirc

I may be tripping tho

[fast finch]

yeah i know that one

[heady gate]

Yup

[rapid harness]

She even shows feet when she shoots

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/841774311538294864.png?quality=lossless&size=60

[fast finch]

the spreadsheet was cool cuz i didn't need to open the game to know where i was

[heady gate]

Yeah,

[twin pier]

You reminded me of the zoomed advising bug

[modern flower]

I liked that bug

[topaz plover]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-deniz-deniz-gif-23653159

[modern flower]

Summer Mihara when?

[twin pier]

In 4 weeks

[vital hatch]

Never

Mihara overrated by cdub

[civic tendon]

guess omega wants summer yuni

[lethal spade]

We prob get mihara summer this time tho

[lean lichen]

summer delta and summer ether

[lethal spade]

Yea I want delta more

[ancient arch]

Free summer Marian pls

ah fuck that she hasnt meet Shikicum yet

[native slate]

Summer Delta

[heady gate]

Delta's Training in rough situations

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1239331879987974155.gif?quality=lossless&size=60

[static hearth]

Rough situations

[ancient arch]

Pure seggs Delta x Shikicum

[zinc quarry]

According to my calculations, Trony has the best cumulative damage skill in the entire game

[dense elbow]

by best you mean

she's dogshit

but i will pull at least 2 copies, one for each foot

[zinc quarry]

Idk bro, name me a unit with a better cumulative damage skill than Trony

[dense elbow]

Dorothy

[zinc quarry]

Dorothy is brand

[dense elbow]

same shit different toilet

let's focus on the feces

[zinc quarry]

Different mekoniks

[zinc quarry]

Nah, im pretty sure she was just chilling at the reclamation site the entire 2 chapters

[tepid imp]

Jeff pls

[amber shadow]

If trony is a succes other games will copy the feet stuff,WHAT ARE WE? DAN SCHENEIDER?

[zinc quarry]

And idle animations arent canon

[dense elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036760639709921422/1240268226437316702/GNm9-sNWoAAvXon.png?ex=6645f14c&is=66449fcc&hm=805daca31ebdf1479d10779ac3e97ca0143132a2f57011270b1721c72c59608e&

[tepid imp]

[dense elbow]

1 copy each toe?

c6 ez

[vital hatch]

c6*

[dense elbow]

i can't math

only swipe

[atomic wagon]

https://vxtwitter.com/NIKKE_japan/status/1790668630369423603

[dense elbow]

Superior English ver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB6c9L7OqCU

[zinc quarry]

Dont forget Trony is currently the best Naruto collab unit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101917583537602600/1233125143484563476/image0.png?ex=6645aa08&is=66445888&hm=b0b42348895c03e8950edaec02c4b7208c7289663ea5fed80d34dd3d1ee6d3c0&

[dense elbow]

Also the worst

[atomic wagon]

superior and english version in the same line... that cant be right at all

[dense elbow]

Stop self hate

Be proud of who you are

[zinc quarry]

Tbf, EN is the 3rd best ver

[atomic wagon]

en is my second language though

[dense elbow]

It' salso mine, but damn I sure wish it was my first language

I'm proud

[remote vault]

why Jeff is being weird in here

Icgi

[vernal ibex]

It's not self-hate when the hate is simply the localization industry

[atomic wagon]

its not a bad language just shitty translation and shitty VAs

[atomic wagon]

indeed

[tepid imp]

Jeff pls

[atomic wagon]

you are right as always

[vernal ibex]

Sick of EN localization using Asian media as a cash grab

Monopolize licensing rights then put in the minimum amount of effort possible

[atomic wagon]

same

[vernal ibex]

Still wonder where "Carrier-Class Raptures" even came from

Definitely not the Japanese

[dense elbow]

I'm sure your sis will make an exception for me after I bring heaven to her ||in bed||

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/841774311538294864.png?quality=lossless&size=60

I must say it, because someone needs to:

Disgusting.

[dense elbow]

Why you mean to me

Deleting your dirty messages is cheating

[remote vault]

huh

I know nothing

Sir

Any proof?

[dense elbow]

Don't make me install better discord

I will and I will post all the sauce

[whole oxide]

[remote vault]

Better discord is not gonna help you

Only Sincord can help

LMEO

[dense elbow]

LMEO isn't a thing

just say LMAO

smh

brb going to mute you in sincord

[topaz plover]

jeff pls

[dense elbow]

[heady gate]

I have

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/887780669521027082.gif?quality=lossless&size=60

[remote vault]

?

I did nothing there

U have to mute me here

[dense elbow]

I mute you there for here

[remote vault]

To make it sense

[dense elbow]

Makes sense to me

[heady gate]

Bro, that makes 0 sense if you don't have proof

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/603607141332287498.png?quality=lossless&size=60

[dense elbow]

Makes sense to me

[heady gate]

Especially when I am the one who has proof cuz I see deleted shit

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/makes-sense-gif-4670408

[remote vault]

Just show the proof by your self Jeff

[dense elbow]

I don't need to see Santa to know he's real

[remote vault]

Or it doesnt make it any sense

[heady gate]

I ain't no snitch tho

[remote vault]

Weirdo

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/922464123600646195.gif?quality=lossless&size=60

You guys weird

*Sees deleted messages

[remote vault]

I know u'r on my side

I trust u

Jeff's is a weirdo

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/733995763368984686.gif?quality=lossless&size=60

[remote vault]

Dont believe him

[heady gate]

Me and 3 screenshots in my pocket

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/394889166132871180.gif?quality=lossless&size=60

Also funny cuz Omega can see this sht too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/603607141332287498.png?quality=lossless&size=60

[remote vault]

where's my omega role

delete it

Before he's in

[lean lichen]

sure

[lean lichen]

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/887780669521027082.gif?quality=lossless&size=60

[quasi dagger]

Random, maybe Eclipse might find this interesting

[vital hatch]

sakura ninja skin better

[civic tendon]

indeed

[native slate]

Just saw trony kit

Isnt she kinda good?

She's got doro burst but not tied to burst skill

[vernal ibex]

She may not even be able to proc it outside of burst

Has to deal 30x ATK in 5 seconds as a sniper rifle

[zinc quarry]

Teammates cant fill up the dmg cap, only she can, but at 50% rate.

[native slate]

Oh

Damn

[vernal ibex]

EN is bad

[zinc quarry]

I think EN was being pepega on that

[slender tinsel]

Elegg synergy intensifying

[vernal ibex]

EN messed up the burst, too

S1 and burst both have issues

[slender tinsel]

Oh?

What’s correct?

[vernal ibex]

Ah wait, no

I second second guessed myself

S1 is okay

Reread the JP too quickly

[native slate]

Hmm what if doro, elegg, trony, maxwell, flex healer?

[vernal ibex]

Burst makes it seem like it buffs her S1's damage

[vernal ibex]

Trony likely can't proc her S1 in that comp

She needs attack damage up buffs or damage taken up debuffs

She's actually kind of bricked by ATK buffs

[native slate]

Does the effect only last for 5 seconds or does it proc again if she shoots the same target

[vernal ibex]

It does proc again, but assumedly the stocked damage resets

[broken kindle]

will Trony get powercreeped by treasure exia or frima?

[vernal ibex]

If you fail to stock the required damage, nothing happens

[native slate]

Bruh

[broken kindle]

both are 20s burst 1 cd

[vernal ibex]

It's not like Doro where you just get partial damage explosion at the time limit

the explosion simply doesn't happen

[native slate]

Thats almost impossible then

[vernal ibex]

Nah, easy with Crown + Alice

Just have to kick SBS out of that team

[broken kindle]

why not just use sbs at that point

[native slate]

1500% dmg at 50% scaling in 5 seconds?

[vernal ibex]

attack damage buffs increase damage without increasing the max damage required

Crown gives 1.5x damage, and Alice rapidly increases charge speed

[quasi dagger]

I think you DO NOT want to increase her attack at all. That's 1 thing that's correct.

[vernal ibex]

Also, during burst, the ratio increases to either 81% or 112%

[quasi dagger]

What you do want on Trony though is either damage taken or attack damage or charge damage.

[vernal ibex]

we don't know yet if additive or multiplicative

so she may just be like SBS where her damage spike is during burst

[quasi dagger]

The biggest issue there. This makes or breaks her

[vernal ibex]

Mhm

We'll know quickly once she's out

[quasi dagger]

If Trony is like Leona, she's useless

[zinc quarry]

Why tho?

[native slate]

If you can do the damage in more than 5 seconds she's good, otherwise too much attention on her for little reward

[quasi dagger]

You don't want to because the tool tip specifically states FINAL attack

[acoustic sorrel]

Not true

Leona doesn't have feet like Trony

[quasi dagger]

Hush lol

[vernal ibex]

Increasing ATK increases the amount of damage she has to deal to cause explosion

[quasi dagger]

Bingo right here

[vernal ibex]

[quasi dagger]

So, unlike Dorothy, don't want to augment Trony too much

[zinc quarry]

But it also increase her auto attack dmg by the same amount

[native slate]

Cant even run her with elegg lol

[keen schooner]

nah, novel would be better than elegg

or blanc or naga

[quasi dagger]

I understand that, which is what you'll mostly want. Problem is, it'll also raise how much she needs to do in order to explode said "mark"

[vernal ibex]

Same squad being synergistic is mostly copium

unless duo

[quasi dagger]

Naga if it has a Core
Novel if it doesn't've a core

[vernal ibex]

When do you see Jackal, Viper, and Crow in the same party even though their burst types are synergistic?

[zinc quarry]

Does the mark not auto explode anyway at 5s like doro. Or does it have to be maxed?

[vernal ibex]

Has to be maxed

[native slate]

If she can do partial explosion like doro its gonna be fine, but if it really doesnt do anything unless you hit cap its gonna be fucked

[zinc quarry]

Oh if it needs max then shes supreme dogshit

[quasi dagger]

If you want to cause it to explode early, you need to max the damage.
While also, I think hitting the same target resets the timer UNTIL it explodes.

[vernal ibex]

At least, that's what the skill kits say

Unlike Dorothy, it can explode early

meaning that if you can pump up her damage without increasing ATK, you'll get more explosions

[native slate]

Really hope its not the case

The needing cap to di anything i mean

[vernal ibex]

Doro is restricted to a single explosion that's map-wide, while Trony ideally can trigger multiple in a smaller radius during burst

[quasi dagger]

We all need to test Trony. Until then, it's all theories right now

[wide verge]

It says it doesn't reapply while any enemy on the field has it.

[vernal ibex]

radius probably not an issue since I don't see her being used outside of bossing

that's why she's honestly more like SBS than Doro in function

[quasi dagger]

But yes, Novel & Crown & even Blanc has a good sitting with Trony.

[vernal ibex]

only the trigger resembles Doro

[native slate]

Budget sbs

[vernal ibex]

Fire a certain amount of shots and deal radius-based distributed damage

[wide verge]

I think there's a question on if it fully falls off when it dumps damage at cap or if you just lose time.

[vernal ibex]

SBS is just way simpler since it's literally number of shots

[quasi dagger]

Same target, not trying to hit multiple targets. I understand the wording perfectly, but I still appreciate this because someone else could be confused on my wording.

[vernal ibex]

Trony has to get enough juice into her shots

[keen schooner]

this is the issue rn, how many times you can proc her s1 in full burst

[keen schooner]

that's what are we waiting for really

[vernal ibex]

And that will require live testing to figure out

[native slate]

The skill description says it procs immediately once cap is hit

[vernal ibex]

If the burst 101% ATK is post-snapshot, that also makes a huge difference

Because if she's doubling her ATK but the threshold she needs doesn't double, she's golden

[quasi dagger]

We'll know everything once we commit a full surgery on her after she's live

[vernal ibex]

Then your ratio is effectively 100% ignoring the bonus 62%

[zinc quarry]

Tbh im not sure if you can cap it early. 5s for 1500% dmg at 50% rate

[native slate]

She also doesnt want to spam shots cause S2

[wide verge]

If her S2 works how Elegg works on Dorothy, then you might not care about her S2.

[quasi dagger]

Then the only thing I can think of is her hitting the same target, resetting the count until it explodes, or until the target dies, which causes an early explosion

[vernal ibex]

Target dying won't trigger anything

[wide verge]

She can't reset the timer. Her S1 explicitly says it does not apply if an enemy on the field already has it.

[quasi dagger]

Oh fuck, that's garbage…

[native slate]

she'd be boss unit anyways

[quasi dagger]

Then the only way to do that is through someone like the 3 Nikkes that were called.

[wide verge]

Also Dorothy doesn't say her Burst triggers on enemy death, so we have no reason to believe Trony's S1 won't fire when the enemy dies.

[quasi dagger]

Since anything augmenting her attack stats will mess with her in a bad way

[native slate]

DD not that good on regular stages

[zinc quarry]

But even so, atk buff shouldnt interfere with that.

With let say +100% atk buff, you double the cap, but also double the rate you acumulate.

So still same # of shots

[vernal ibex]

S1 explcitly states that exposion triggers when accumulated amount is reached

Unit dies before that, you just wasted time

[quasi dagger]

Actually you could cause it to explode early, but it only effects the targets when it explodes. Anything that comes mid explosion after it starts remains "invisible"

[native slate]

It could just be saying that it can proc before 5 seconds is up

[wide verge]

Fundamentally the main things I'm thinking is we might want to fire 1 Full Charge shot to trigger her S1, then quickfire to fire it off faster. Her S2 will just bump her cap if it works how Elegg's Burst works on Dorothy Burst.

[tepid imp]

remember, 5s ~ 4 hits

you never go 5 hits

[vernal ibex]

Two different lines

[tepid imp]

so if you can't deal at least 400% per shot

[wide verge]

It depends on how easily she hits that cap and if her S1 falls off entirely when it pops or if it just sits there.

[tepid imp]

no need to lv her S1

[quasi dagger]

Which then indicates she wants Max Ammo so she's not reloading much after she tags it 1st

[tepid imp]

also, it looks like she only converts 50% of dmg

so she needs to deal 800% atk per shot

that's wow

[vernal ibex]

Jumps to 81%/112% during burst

depending on if multiplicative/additive

[native slate]

So its impossible to proc

[tepid imp]

it's possible

100% atk up within her own burst

should be barely enough

having core = easier

[vernal ibex]

Also attack damage buffs

[zinc quarry]

Atk buff wouldnt change the speed tho?

Both auto attacks and dmg cap affected by atk buff

[vernal ibex]

Not if it snapshots

Proc S1 at Burst II stage, proc burst

Now S1 is scaling on her final attack pre-full burst, but she has her 101% ATK + full burst bonus

Then she's getting effectively over 100% ratio before the burst's extra 62%

[wide verge]

I mean ideally we're hoping she doesn't need outside buffs to cap her S1, in which case we can wait till after she hits her B3 to start her S1 then hit for the higher cap.

[vernal ibex]

S1 outside of burst definitely seems like it'll be a meme without Crown tho

[quasi dagger]

That's precisely why I mentioned you DO NOT want to augment her attack stat

[tepid imp]

I feel like she deals less bonus dmg than Dorothy

[native slate]

Whats even the point of her then if she can barely proc s1

[vernal ibex]

She's an off-SR standard banner unit

What's the point of her?

What's the point of Bay? Quiry? Ade?

[wide verge]

She does. Assuming equal attack stats, Dorothy's Burst does has just under 6x the cap.

[quasi dagger]

Elemental damage does fair well in the equation, if it applies that is

[zinc quarry]

That dont make sense. It would be same # of hits.

Let say cap is 1000
Each auto is worth 100

So 10 hits to cap

With +100% atk buff.

Cap is 2000
Auto worth 200

Still 10 hits to cap.

[vernal ibex]

Element OLs are practically mandatory

[wide verge]

Given, Trony can hit circa 3 S1s in the time Dorothy gets off 1 Burst.

Maybe 4 if the buff falls off when it deals damage.

[wide verge]

Zee is thinking that it may only be possible to cap her S1 by hitting an unbuffed S1 with a buffed Trony.

[quasi dagger]

My thing is that I'm more focusing on outside ways to increase her damage, not using her own attack stat. I would want to be able to cause it to explode, not just sit there & do theoretically nothing.

[keen schooner]

nerd ass character, the tldr is to skip her if you don't want to think

[native slate]

Fair enough but like she has potential

[tepid imp]

hmm

in the end I skipped 2 gacha skins + Snow skin

[wide verge]

Like it's probably gonna work exactly like Dorothy's Burst and trigger at end of timer or on enemy death, but in theory if you can cap it to fire it early, and if it falls off completely when it does, you might be able to set them off faster than once every 5 seconds.

[native slate]

Oh well just wait for trony treasure in 2 years

[modern flower]

You skipped naked king?

[zinc quarry]

Dont worry theyll prolly rerun within this century.

[modern flower]

[vernal ibex]

The skill explicitly states that maximum damage must be achieved

[native slate]

I liked fake trony kit more

[tepid imp]

i skipped both

[modern flower]

Ahahaha

[tepid imp]

[modern flower]

Blocked

[tepid imp]

gotta send

[modern flower]

Not my whalefriend

[tepid imp]

a message

it's not about the money

it's about a message

[modern flower]

[native slate]

Gimme the 60 bucks and i'll send the message for you

[ancient arch]

Yu're not alone

[quasi dagger]

The message was sent when the 1st 1 was released. When it showed that they can make bank with these outfits, it was over

[native slate]

I got the SW skin

Worth

[vernal ibex]

I got all three

[rapid quiver]

I got all of them. Worth eating ramen for weeks.

[quasi dagger]

What should've happened was it died on the spot, forcing them to use these outfits as variants instead, then it'd've been a better deal with all the work they put into it. Event pass outfits was good, gacha outfits was a mistake

[native slate]

Im too broke for gacha skins

Turning gacha skins into alts wouldnt work lmao

[rapid quiver]

Everything changed when the Fire Nation Rupee wore a bunny suit.

[dull cargo]

Account bricked

[quasi dagger]

Then what the hell was all the work for?

[dull cargo]

[quasi dagger]

……………………………

[vernal ibex]

I want a slower unit release rate, so the idea of turning gacha outfits into alters is terrifying to me

[tepid imp]

by slower

how slow?

3 weeks?

[vernal ibex]

Yeah, I like the special event pace

[tepid imp]

problem is we only hype first week

meh 2nd week

and died by the third week

[vernal ibex]

I don't care about hype

[tepid imp]

this is not Genshin

[vernal ibex]

I want time to stock up mats

[native slate]

Would fuck the banner schedule, not to mention they'd have to design actual kits for them and make unique cover poses instead of the copypastes ones gacha skins get

[tepid imp]

u don't have CN zombies to back you up

[vernal ibex]

I rarely even notice hype

[rapid quiver]

And special event maps designed every time.

[quasi dagger]

Each 1 of them would be a 3 week period. Geez, make a random story for each of them. I wouldn't mind more Noise or Dorothy.

[rapid quiver]

To keep pace with the 3 week event.

[native slate]

Im happy with current release schedule tbh

[vernal ibex]

Also could add banners for existing characters relevant to the events to fill the gap a bit

Like having had a Poli banner with the Bay event

[rapid quiver]

This part is okay. I like this.

[quasi dagger]

That's perfect, if shift up actually used their heads

[native slate]

Third week is always dead even on big events like last kingdom, so having that on every event would suck

[vernal ibex]

Idk, I've been busy with For the King

[quasi dagger]

Damn…hard mode week is a dead week no matter how you cut it though Harlof

[native slate]

Skill issue

[keen schooner]

who remembers alice's banner, I remember 🧓

[vernal ibex]

Bay event was two dead weeks

[rapid quiver]

I think Bay event was the only one where I skipped the whole dang thing. Just had no time.

Did I miss anything there

[vernal ibex]

I kind of regret not reading it cuz I like Poli

[native slate]

I obtaines my top 1 in union spot like a few days after story 2 was out and havent touched minigame since

[vernal ibex]

but Bay's kit was so underwhelming that I couldn't be bothered

[wide verge]

I mean 2nd week is always dead on small events anyways. That's how the hype cycle goes, we check twitter the few days in the lead up to the event for info on new units, Story 1 and Story 2 are dictate how hype the event is overall while it is happening since they're the story content, then we cool down after Story is over through early Hard mode.

[native slate]

Nah

Event story was

Poli was best part

[keen schooner]

you missed the commander asking eunhwa to be a cheerleader

[rapid quiver]

[native slate]

True!

[vernal ibex]

glad I skipped now, thanks

[rapid quiver]

Fuck, that would have been funny to read.

I usually never skip and read the stories so that's a shame.

[quasi dagger]

After Day 3, the event is dead to me
After Day 7, I forget about it until the next one comes
So there's a lot of dead periods each event
& 3 week ones are worse. But I like it because I get to focus on other things during these periods & I never mind a dead day in games, ever.

[languid spoke]

https://vxtwitter.com/nikkeleakss/status/1789986883423830058

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968098119717904433/1240236879497138186/Trony.Burst.Feet.Only.gif

[remote vault]

Time to do this

[rapid quiver]

Someone, somewhere in Shift Up had to animate this in perfect detail.

[languid spoke]

noticed it wasnt full showing the same final shot in the video, cutting the bottom part

[meager pendant]

what wqatch list, the watchlist of devs making games for Paradox?

[oblique ravine]

Damn even turbo leviathans aren’t safe from red cp gaming

But why are you using 4 units

[remote vault]

5 are just too easy

[oblique ravine]

Should’ve considered that before whaling smh at this rate you have to play the campaign with only 1 unit

[vital hatch]

Porpel mold

[modern flower]

[fathom parcel]

didn't expect tower 650 still have old ass modernia

[remote vault]

[modern flower]

My gosh privaty stronger than dwife

[topaz plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805896280080908350/1231620885169963028/CrowKEK.gif

[pale egret]

Could tell that the kit is fake from here
1s Charge time is 250% damage
1.5s Charge time is 350% Damage ( like alice)

[vernal ibex]

It's not like Shift Up hasn't made new weird normal attack values before

Imagine an Assault Rifle with lower ATK scaling than an SMG

[keen schooner]

and SMGs can have like 5 different attack values

[vernal ibex]

With the DoT S1, they could've justified lengthening charge time to slow stack time but not increase charge damage since extra damage is coming from S1

[vital hatch]

bruv thats the running joke here

its like the 5th time i posted the same kit xd

[native slate]

Jesus that trony burst

She aint beating the foot fetish allegations

[oblique ravine]

I thought I’m playing booba game

Trony event is good cuz it means +10 advanced recruit vouchers

for summer

https://tenor.com/view/monkaw-peepo-monka-cool-style-gif-21478410

[topaz oak]

bout to check a early impression of trony

but not this one

[thorny sand]

Dorothy: 100% of damage dealt by all Nikke

Trony: 50% of damage dealt by Trony only

[heady gate]

based.

let's just watch sky

cuz he's actually cooking well

[dense elbow]

But Trony isn't about strength

she's meek and smol

trony is about foot odor

anime girl foot odor

if you bottle that up and sell it in Japan you can become millionaire

[jagged shard]

Trony 2night
very excite

[heady gate]

I am more excited about next event assets
(not Hero's one)

[modern flower]

Hero part 2

[silk oxide]

what is up with that one trony kit that was leaked? was that an old one they scrapped before they officially showed the real kit?

friend sent me like two different kits before X.com posted the official

[keen schooner]

it was a fake leak

[mint vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/mis-gif-happy-military-dictator-gif-14671670

[silk oxide]

i figured, i didnt hear anything about it. Why i wait for Nikke to post it. He was pissed thought his alice would be dropped for another sniper.

i dont use alice so i dont really care

[vital hatch]

Was it tho?

It had to correct burst logo

[slender tinsel]

Trony burst… features feet…

[topaz plover]

probably should look for a new friend

[heady gate]

nahhh

[vital hatch]

red forest , emission hit perfect time for my ironman to die and deleting the save

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1136974453503439018.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=cooming

[vital hatch]

i hate when they do this , i just cleared the checkpoint

[heady gate]

random spawn/stealthy

damn

[vital hatch]

Never refresh gang

[balmy night]

They fixed it, finally @scenic sphinx

bulletin board notifs work again on PC

[native slate]

Real

[shut siren]

personally more excited for the black ark ranger but eh

[native slate]

Im skipping trony even if she turns out to be super meta

[shut siren]

people say shes garbage

so no meta

[native slate]

Her kit has potential, just gotta see how it works ingame

[shut siren]

but anyway hope they hint towards whatever the black ark ranger nikke does

will probably see her again in like 6 months or so

[native slate]

Im not even gonna do the usual 10 pull on trony banner, saving as much as i can for summer

I've a feeling summer will have a unit i like

[topaz plover]

@vital hatch https://streamable.com/fgunbn

[vital hatch]

what was his goal

[topaz plover]

he got naded...

the timing was just so perfect

[vital hatch]

oh stationary ?

xd

[shut siren]

oh? I'm curious. who's that feeling pointing to?

[topaz plover]

the way bro folds

[vital hatch]

loot his shit xd

[native slate]

Im feeling Delta tbh

[shut siren]

I see

I guess I should've expected that lol

[native slate]

If delta gets summer alt i hope signal either doesnt get a skin or at least isnt mission pass cause im full broke rn

[oblique ravine]

I already miss FTK

[shut siren]

personally not sure theres anything they could do thatd both make them money and appeal to me. like... quency, epinel, etc. privaty got an alt this year and most gacha games don't double down in a year

so summer is likely gonna be skip for me as a whole

at least I'll get a ton of tickets right

[native slate]

If summer doesnt have anything i like i'll just do the usual pull for unlock

[shut siren]

oh and ill finally be able to max anchor

[native slate]

Might try going for some more sanis dupes

[shut siren]

good luck

[native slate]

I have enough mileage that i can safely get whatever pilgrim we get for anniv so i can dump for summer

[meager pendant]

Where Datamine

Where next NIKKE

where next NIKKE KIT

[shut siren]

idk anniversary datamine still incomplete

[vital hatch]

its Sima

[meager pendant]

Where Eclipse_Koray next MLB

[shut siren]

looking like 6 months from now at best

unless they knock it out of the park with summer

which I dont think they can without losing money lol

[balmy night]

4 summer banners and 4 re-runs =

[thorny sand]

I mean let's be real at least two of them are gonna be shit kits

So 1 copy at most

[native slate]

I've got like 300 pulls worth right now

Unless i get really unlucky im big chilling for summer

[thorny sand]

Last year we had what?

• Sneon, trash
• Smary, niche mid
• Shelm, mid
• Sanis, meta as fuck

[native slate]

Pretty much

[heady gate]

don't call SHelm mid, lmao

[native slate]

Tho shelm is not mid

[heady gate]

she's a good dmg buffer

[native slate]

She's good

[dull cargo]

She might be niche but not mid LOL

[native slate]

Shelm is bis in electric raids

[shut siren]

to be fair shift up doesnt have a "character at this time will be meta" pattern outside of anniversary so worst case scenario all four summer units are great

[thorny sand]

If you're only good for one element you're mid

[dull cargo]

I expect the Summer Part 1 to have meta units now and Part 2 be eye candy but trash unit like Summer Part 1

[native slate]

True

[thorny sand]

Tbh Shelm's biggest issue? She's iron support but the best iron DPS are too good for her lol

You're not gonna pair her with RH

[native slate]

SW

[thorny sand]

I guess

Forget she exists since she continues to evade me

[native slate]

SW loves me

[shut siren]

one day you'll get the queen of plumbing cosplay

[native slate]

Core 2 that bitch

[thorny sand]

Me with Isabelle

The most useless of the pilgrims

[native slate]

Ooof

[shut siren]

rip

my condolences

[thorny sand]

I think I have 6 or 7 Isabel and still no Noah or SW, to give context to my absurd pilgrim rates

[shut siren]

id like Noah one day

recently got harran and shes... confusing

[static hearth]

Signal still not in shop

[shut siren]

soon

[thorny sand]

Harran is better than most people give credit, game just doesn't give us a mob version of SR

[native slate]

I got mod core 1 SW core 2 and mlb scarlet, harran and lb2 noah, still no rapunzel

[thorny sand]

If we ever got a SR that's more like shooting range, killing most mobs possible with 5 teams, Harran stocks would rise

[native slate]

Eh

Harran still outclassed for mob killing

[shut siren]

I have... mlb snow white lily, snow white, 1 star dorothy, and harran.

[thorny sand]

Currently you only really fight mobs in hard mode and overclock, both of which you only need 1 team

[native slate]

Definetly would be good but she wouldnt stand out

[shut siren]

what burst is harran anyway

[thorny sand]

My point is that she's not team 1 in her niche, so she's considering quite low

But in reality for mob killing she's probably around team 3

[native slate]

999% dmg on all enemies

[shut siren]

I mean number

[thorny sand]

B3

[native slate]

3

[shut siren]

of course...

[native slate]

Noah, Rapunzel, doro and crown are the only non b3 pilgrims

Rh if you coint her

[shut siren]

oh i already forgot I got crown yesterday. ill have to try pilgrim tower now

[keen schooner]

nihilister

[native slate]

Oh yeah nihil exista

[balmy night]

was open yesterday, closed today

[shut siren]

shit.

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/376056327404781568.webp?size=48&quality=lossless&name=Stare

understandable

[native slate]

Pilgrim tower open on saturday reset and tuesday reset

[shut siren]

I forgot. its been months since I even looked at tower

will be nice to get more pilgrim molds though. I can continue saving to 500

[static hearth]

I finally got one Pilgrim mold ready, but I'm too afraid to use it

I am not mentally prepared for the pain of opening a Pilgrim mold

[slender tinsel]

My thoughts mostly concur.

S Neon - skippable
S Mary - skippable (hear me out, it's only because now you can do just fine without her unless you desperately need Water Nikkes, same deal for S Neon)
S Helm - really nice to have in reserve, esp. Elysion Tower...
S Anis - goddess

So this Summer, probably 1 meta shaker and the rest varying degrees of mid to good

All of which except maybe the meta shaker, you can easily get by with 0LB

[topaz plover]

S Mary - skippable (hear me out, it's only because now you can do just fine without her unless you desperately need Water Nikkes, same deal for S Neon)

[slender tinsel]

400 pulls to have a fair shot at 1 of each, and this will also get you 2 mileage purchases anyway. Meaning pulling on 4 banners, 100 pulls each, to get 1 copy

[topaz plover]

are you smoking?

smary is one of the best healers wtf

she literally outheals SR Nihilister breath, ultra poison and other shit at 444

everyone but sneon should be pulled

full stop

[slender tinsel]

And probably could still make top 3% without her

[quasi dagger]

What's the insane hate for Mary? What the total fuck mate

[topaz plover]

ok buddy

[slender tinsel]

Not hate

[meager pendant]

S Neon was never realyl used even in elem fights. Her kit is sadly really bad.
S Mary is a sometimes meta healer and basically the best healer. People that are going for top 3% should try for her anyways as they are more competitive.
S Helm is probably worse a choice than Mary. There are better options for UR/SR and for Elysion Tower she isnt worth too much
S Anis is the best unit ever conceived

I agree you CAN skip S Mary, but at the same time you can skip all but ANIS

[olive oyster]

ayo we shitting on S neon in here?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147940862584705055/1239874803385761842/justieat.gif

[meager pendant]

S Helm and S Mary are also only good pulls cause you only ever need 1 copy

[quasi dagger]

Who the FUCK is Neon‽

[olive oyster]

captain planet

we just need her other elements first

[slender tinsel]

This is better articulated and I agree

[olive oyster]

then she'll be good

[quasi dagger]

I thought we all agreed to forget Neon existed!!

[olive oyster]

[slender tinsel]

Though I like S Helm more than S Mary, maybe I'm biased

splashes more water on S Helm

[shut siren]

missilis squad anis when

then ill consider it

[meager pendant]

I dont forget her, she is a good design and it was nice to see Shift Up do the nipple thing

She also has funny lines

but she isnt incredible by any standards. She did pave the way so that XLewd could be so successful!

[quasi dagger]

Lol most like to forget she existed because of how atrocious her skills are

[meager pendant]

Most also have the memory of a canary

[quasi dagger]

Lol.......

[meager pendant]

If you were around then you dont really forget her

[slender tinsel]

To add context to the S Mary stuff, when Crown came out and Naga was bugged, I was considering what healers to pair with Crown, and actually tried