Research Dungeon

[sweet ocean]

the lab yes, and the break room

and you can do that now I supposed.

And we STILL don't have templates

[copper nexus]

LOL yeah I was confused because of the no template

I can also dump my burst generation article link

though I still have to look more into energy gen on skills

wait I’m confused what is the difference between #1046549179918458890 and #research-results

[dull zenith]

I certainly don't have access to either lab or results

[sweet ocean]

The latter's for compiled info posts so peeps don't have to dumpster dive to find what they want

[dull zenith]

Probably because I'm not the puke green role

[sweet ocean]

I have to say that managing the latter will be more difficult because again
we still don't know HOW to compile them

[copper nexus]

oh maybe I should dump my link in #research-results instead then

[atomic gyro]

which templates?

[copper nexus]

eh I’ll just start a thread for energy gen in #1046549179918458890 since I think other ppl probably have things to add

[atomic gyro]

we'll be going public soon, you won't miss much

mostly organization at this point

[sweet ocean]

single post templates for the megathreads
and for solo threads where people post their findings that don't go into the megathreads

[atomic gyro]

I thought we were using #1046600192700452994 as the template?

[sweet ocean]

usually those share the same one

[copper nexus]

what about the post itself

does the content have to follow a format

[sweet ocean]

weeeelll if we're going to do that then I suggest cleaning up all the replies

[atomic gyro]

For some reason I don't have permission to clean up the replies

Is the issue

I'll see if I can get an admin to clean it up

[sweet ocean]

well shit then we can't go public then
my OCD prevents me from presenting it in such a messy state

[atomic gyro]

LOL

[sweet ocean]

[still drift]

Not like anyone but us needs to see our findings yet

[sweet ocean]

I keep a notepad to write down misc findings that I found here

like this is one of the lines

Noah has a unique RL, she fires 2 blasts per shot - generating faster burst gauge than normal RLs.
#Misuzu

crude but effective

[still drift]

Yeah, me too;
I use a special program called CTRL + F

[copper nexus]

LOL

[sweet ocean]

truly we are the ark's best researchers

[still drift]

Also probably restrict the search to Questioning Centre

[dull zenith]

...is this true?

[sweet ocean]

see, we're already educating the mass

[dull zenith]

Holy shit time to gear my Noah up

[sweet ocean]

did you also know that instant-cast burst 3s aren't affected by full burst damage bonus

[dull zenith]

there's full burst damage bonus?

[sweet ocean]

[dull zenith]

...jk I'm playing dumb.

I didn't know, but I also never thought about it

[atomic gyro]

I think what that meant was the buffs from the skills activated from full burst skills

[dull zenith]

I figured full burst damage bonus only applied to the auto attacks during fb

Wait, my burst 3 attacker isn't benefiting from my liter's atk buff?

[sweet ocean]

it's also applying to skills and burst too, if the burst isn't instant

[dull zenith]

When she does her instant burst 3?

[sweet ocean]

aaaa
yep

[dull zenith]

NOOOOOOO

[sweet ocean]

I lied, it's a yes

[dull zenith]

Oh

[sweet ocean]

if it's coming from liter's burst

[dull zenith]

Okay thank fucking God

[copper nexus]

burst buffs apply with no delay, but skills that cast on full burst have a delay

[dull zenith]

Yeah I mean it makes sense as burst 3 initiates fb

So if burst 3 is instant, it should occur before fb

[copper nexus]

it’s like a 1 full second delay

longer than you would think

[sweet ocean]

yep, that's one of the factors why lappy is blowing scarlet away on certain bosses

[dull zenith]

Whatever, it makes logical sense so I'm not bothered

Honestly instant burst 3's would be straight up better in the general case otherwise

Good to see Modernia and Laplace's "we take time to deliver our burst 3 damage" burst 3's have a relative strength

[atomic gyro]

Yo Jeff can you try and DM me

I need to turn it off for appeals

[dull zenith]

Why would I try to DM you

[atomic gyro]

errrr

on

I had direct DMs off so far, but I'm going to have to turn them on for appeal requests

[dull zenith]

Did you get that

[atomic gyro]

...No

wat

[atomic gyro]

[dull zenith]

Let me check my permissions

Okay it was my permissions

I had DMs turned off

[atomic gyro]

LMAO

[copper nexus]

can we start collecting arena vods btw?

I’m curious about arena range

does range bonus apply etc

[atomic gyro]

That's what I want to know as well

[dull zenith]

Have you guys tested how effective Novel is for Gravedigger-S?

The 5s damage taken debuff looks potent

[molten robin]

I think she's really good

[dull zenith]

I wonder if it's worth bringing her over Dolla

[molten robin]

I used novel for a long time, it depends on your comp

dolla's cdr is wasted unless you're using like, 3 shotguns

[dull zenith]

Liter 5s +ATK
Novel 5s +Dmg taken
Maiden
Laplace
.... someone else Noah maybe

[molten robin]

drake + isabel + maxwell, I didnt need dolla's cdr

and ran novel

[dull zenith]

I don't have any of those 🙂

[molten robin]

my point just being that unless you're running a giga burst generation comp, I think dolla's cdr is overkill

[dull zenith]

Got it

Makes sense

[molten robin]

most people think dolla is "required" because you wait a bit for liter first cycle back around, but her cdr ramps up each time

[dull zenith]

Maybe for my third attacker i'll try Neve

[molten robin]

once it fully ramps you either dont wait, or wait like 0.5-1s

[dull zenith]

Hmm interesting

[solid relic]

Just bring a character who has above average burst generation instead of Dolla

[dull zenith]

Neve or Noah

Hmm maybe... Yulha?

Maybe not

[solid relic]

I think Grave Digger drill lasts longer than Noah's invincibility

[dull zenith]

It doesnt

[solid relic]

guess I just mistimed it then

[dull zenith]

It fully nullifies a drill

[molten robin]

the animation lasts longer, but the damage ends earlier than you expect

[solid relic]

@molten robin Sorry for the delay:
https://youtube.com/shorts/sj7Dfp5Rp08?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/rDEoUzWa4BM?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZYAibH2f52M?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/T3ZdzLDqNJ4?feature=share

[molten robin]

np at all, thanks for the vids

[solid relic]

didn't have materials to level up Admi or Privaty's skills for more incremental tests

also if the youtube shorts format is terrible, I can upload the files somewhere else

they're too big to go directly to Discord unfortunately

[molten robin]

youtube is fine

ill have to pop them into a vid editor, but that 96% looks awfully similar to 100%

[solid relic]

I do think they should change "Reloading Speed Up" to "Reload Duration Down" since I feel with the former it doesn't imply 100% would have no reload.

[molten robin]

yea, normally 100% speed increase would reduce duration by half

in typical video game nomenclature

[solid relic]

Yeah, it feels like a case of diminishing returns

[molten robin]

well yea, what we really wanted to see was whether 100% did something special, like alter the animation

though I was pretty sure it didnt

once I break these down I think itll be the same time or super close

[solid relic]

It's unfortunate that there's still the pause to begin the reload animation.

even if it finishes basically instantly at 100%

[molten robin]

that was what made me suspect she caps benefit below 100%

[solid relic]

I feel like with the Chain Ammo bug, there wasn't that pause?

but I guess that's a different mechanic

[molten robin]

yea

chain ammo was basically like the liter ammo refill

just magic

[solid relic]

ah, got it

[molten robin]

86.98% reload speed: ~0.22s
91.69% reload speed: ~0.18s
96.41% reload speed: ~0.14s
100% reload speed: ~0.12s
@solid relic

not perfect but should be close enough

I think it's clear that scarlet doesnt need 100% reload speed, but it also doesnt look like she needs it to be as high as the 92-94% range I was looking at, either

so even if you do end up using a single unit for scarlet reload speed later on, I don't think the difference in buff strength between xrupee and privaty or admi will be significant

[copper nexus]

what value does cube go to?

[solid relic]

#1042458757843656774 message

[copper nexus]

Ah ty

caught up on the convo

[willow pecan]

for the sake of curiosity, can anyone test liter dolla volume for viability of single b3 setup?

[copper nexus]

I can but it’s not gonna be good lol

[willow pecan]

I just want to know if we can actually reduce 40s to 20s and have a smooth loop going

in case we ever get an absurdly strong b3 we want to keep rolling on loop forever

[copper nexus]

they can’t

they only add up to 9 seconds reduced

so you’re at 31 second burst cd

[willow pecan]

so their skills don't function like Isabel's?

or is Isabel's also only just one of these

[copper nexus]

oh what

[willow pecan]

they all say "previous effects trigger repeatedly"

I assume that to mean that after isabel does her third b3 her burst will now do 550% + increase damage taken by 40%

[dim wolf]

yes

[willow pecan]

better screenshot

This is Liter's

if Isabel's does do 550% and 40% damage up, then Liter's should also give 2.34+2.7+3.17s reduction, while also giving ammo, crit and atk buff.

[copper nexus]

oh you’re right they do trigger repeatedly lol

[willow pecan]

then it's 20s

or close

[copper nexus]

the problem will be the second burst then

since you need to stack

you get stuck for 11 seconds on second rotation

[willow pecan]

I don't quite understand

[copper nexus]

because the second rotation cd is only reduced by 8~9 seconds

[willow pecan]

oh

I don't mind really mind that

[copper nexus]

so that rotation is kinda scuffed

[willow pecan]

even if I get stuck on first 3 rotation it feels ok

but if the end result after 3rd rotation is just first b3 on replay forever

that might be worth the setup

IF we get that stupidly strong b3 as previously mentioned

[copper nexus]

maybe

[willow pecan]

so you could bring liter dolla volume + 2 b3's

[copper nexus]

if you can survive without the full burst for 11 seconds

[willow pecan]

if you bring second b3, can be even maxwell

then that's not an issue

[copper nexus]

hm the flex could just be a supportive b3 yeah

it would be nice if we can get a new unit with cdr

liter + volume feels kinda bad

[unborn glacier]

Does privaty stun, trigger even if Noah invincible is up?

In arena

[solid relic]

Lulz, recommendations can be weaker than what is currently equipped

Really wish they had a "gameplay" category on their bug submission form. Putting this under "Others" feels pretty odd.

[willow pecan]

maybe this is intended

sure, you can put a +4 wrong manufacturer on privaty, but if you have a better user for that this swap is optional

rather clever, tbh

[molten robin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/zhstbj/i_have_read_your_thread_on_defense_buffs_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

This seems to indicate defense against enemies acts as a %reduction against a certain threshold of defense for a stage

Rather than being flat reduction

[dim wolf]

well, I saw other threads when 15% XRupee def buff only decreased dmg by 4%

so it works kinda strange

[molten robin]

Definitely needs to be investigated in more depth

[unborn glacier]

probably, some standard diminishing damage reduction as the number goes higher

[unborn glacier]

Against weaker team

Centi got focused fire (slot 1)

[dull zenith]

Have we gotten any data-backed insight into what's good for PvP? My hypothesis is that running a healer like Noise or Rapunzel and maybe someone like Poli is strong

[dim wolf]

dont put burst1 at pos1

[dull zenith]

@copper nexus why not post https://nikke.gg/rupee-winter-shopper-early-analysis/ to #research-results

[molten robin]

Well it's not really the kind of thing that would be posted there

But that channel I think is largely defunct atm

[keen timber]

There is priority targetting based on weapon ranges, shotgun and smg units get focused first. If every unit falls under the same priority, the left-most unit will be targetted.

Noise and Noah are the best tanks atm but Noise will probably lose value when a unit with heal potency reduction comes out.

Rockets are the best for burst gen, and aoe burst skills are preferred over single target burst skills right now.

There hasn't been a specific team labeled as strongest yet. Still needs tons of testing

[wintry ravine]

pog how did you figure out the targeting?

[keen timber]

There was a streamer who was burning thousands of gems to test some things haha.

[molten robin]

RL are better than clip reload shotguns? Are they hitting multiple units in pvp?

[wintry ravine]

bless that man

[dim wolf]

@vapid geode

[keen timber]

RL are better in regards to hitting multiple units with 1 rocket and also avoiding the aggro priority of shotgun users

[wintry ravine]

honestly I really like how they designed the targeting

[keen timber]

Makes it easier to control what unit gets focused

[molten robin]

So they are hitting more than one unit?

[keen timber]

Yup

They hit the two adjacent enemies

[molten robin]

Cool

[wintry ravine]

yeah laplace is actually better than I thought at first

[molten robin]

Are shotguns hitting all pellets?

Any idea?

[keen timber]

Pretty sure they do, but at the cost of dying very fast due to targetting

[molten robin]

Right

Does this guy have his testing compiled anywhere?

[wintry ravine]

is there not a priority after smg and shotgun?

like is you don't use any

[keen timber]

I don't think so?

I'll go look up his vod after work tho

And link it here

[keen timber]

Correct

If you have all RL and ARs for example your left-most unit will be focused instead

Not sure if snipers are focused last

[wintry ravine]

ah so seems ranged based, makes sense

[keen timber]

Hard to test since by then your team usually wipes from aoe bursts

[wintry ravine]

very interesting

[keen timber]

I assume LMG and Snipers get focused last though if it's consistent

[dull zenith]

Do you think Rapunzel is better than Noise? I'm thinking of running Rapunzel and Helm as alternating bursts for heals every burst

Rapunzel has that full team stun if she gets focused too hard

[molten robin]

I'm not sure his conclusion about shotguns meshes with my own experience, I've been running Drake on my team and it's consistently my left-most xrupee getting hit

[keen timber]

Rez is bugged atm and only revives at 1% hp, so rapunzel holds little value outside consistent heals

[dull zenith]

TIL

Brb removing her dead weight off my Synchro

[wintry ravine]

😕

[keen timber]

I'll have to look at the vod again. His Drake and Liter were being focused first regardless of position

There might be additional rules to it

[wintry ravine]

hmm he's a theory

left most burst 1 and burst 3 get focused

never seen anyone say a burst 2 gets focused

[vapid geode]

[wintry ravine]

I don't see the logic behind ignoring burst 2 though

[keen timber]

Everything I said are things still being tested though, things could easily shift when new tech is found

[wintry ravine]

more testing needed before we can conclude how it works it seem like

[keen timber]

Yup. The left-most target thing is consistent, but not sure about what causes exceptions just yet

[wintry ravine]

if they do ignore burst 2 for whatever reason than noah is like ultra SSS

[keen timber]

I'd imagine Noah still taunts anyways haha

But that could be really strong

[wintry ravine]

yeah that's why she would be strong, pulling aggro from the burst 1 and 3 that are focused

[keen timber]

Noah taunts 2 enemies and makes them focus her, that way enemy damage is split between 2 of your units

[wintry ravine]

noah is SSS tier regardless of focus tbh

[keen timber]

Ya

[wintry ravine]

but if they do focus burst 1 and 3 she even better lol

[keen timber]

Splitting up enemy damage makes it easy to recover and avoid a death

[keen timber]

There are some instances it could be a downside though

For example, it could lead to everyone dying to an aoe burst instead of just the 1 unit being targetted

[wintry ravine]

pvp seems more balanced than pve

[keen timber]

Curious to see the impact Anne has on the current Noise meta

[wintry ravine]

noah / anne is inevitable

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dreaditrunfromit-infinitywar-destinyarrivesallthesame-barexam-gif-12210891

[keen timber]

I see a lot of people investing into their noises

Lol

[wintry ravine]

I have but don't invest at all, she may still be bugged

[keen timber]

Meanwhile I'm waiting for Anne

Tbh I'm hesistant on pulling for pvp units though

Rewards seem meh

[dim wolf]

but that's not true

[wintry ravine]

I think anne will be good in pve too

there are some stages already where heal cut is nice and she has a massive attack buff

I've had a lot of joy with poli in pve and anne is more or less a better poli

[dim wolf]

proof

Scarlet got resurrected with half HP

[dim wolf]

here

@vapid geode just to make sure you didnt get smokebombed

[molten robin]

What in this screenshot is the proof?

[dim wolf]

Rez is bugged atm and only revives at 1% hp, so rapunzel holds little value outside consistent heals

[molten robin]

Yea I saw that statement

[dim wolf]

Okay, gonna make video

[molten robin]

So this ss was taken right after a rez?

[dim wolf]

[dim wolf]

yes

[molten robin]

Ok

I have no opinion I don't even own Rapunzel lol

Just clarifying

[dim wolf]

[dull zenith]

So not true?

[dim wolf]

exactly

[dull zenith]

Back onto the Synchro she goes

[dim wolf]

[molten robin]

Unless he meant it is bugged in pvp

That wasn't specified, though the context of the conversation was pvp

[dim wolf]

it's harder to test then

I'm strongest in my server

[solid relic]

I feel like I've seen the revive bug occur in the Simulation Room.

[dull zenith]

User R units

[keen timber]

There are quite a few accounts saying otherwise, consistent or not

Eevn Indigo mentioned it happening at least once

[dull zenith]

Okay I'm going to flip a coin to see if she stays on the Synchro

[dim wolf]

I posted a video as a proof

[keen timber]

Isnt that the same as me saying Snow White charge isnt bugged because I recorded it taking the full 7 seconds?

[dim wolf]

[keen timber]

Maybe it doesn't happen every single time

[dim wolf]

should be giga rare then, never happened to me

[keen timber]

Yeah I'm not saying you are wrong either, just that I only mentioned it because there was quite a lot of accounts bringing it up

It could be something that only happens occasionally or rarely

[molten robin]

Like soline bug

[keen timber]

Mhm

[solid relic]

I mean, Oleg's video wasn't in simulation

my experience and the posted were

so it might just be bugged in simulation room

both can be true

[keen timber]

Possibly yeah, though there was at least one person who was burning gems in pvp attempts that mention the res bug happening there as well

Just felt it worth bringing up since it's something that very well could cost a fight even if it only happens rarely

[solid relic]

Hmm, another case of Rapunzel not reviving a unit at half HP

this was in Special Individual Interception

[molten robin]

did these always have icons?

or am I tripping?

[wintry ravine]

they always have but it's possible you didn't see them

I didn't see them in bluestacks I think

[molten robin]

I think it might be tied to a graphical setting

[wintry ravine]

they always showed for me in ldplayer, might be a rez issue though

[molten robin]

I upped my settings yesterday

[wintry ravine]

makes sense

btw someone posted a super good pvp video on reddit to analyse

it's quite long, I've tried goin frame by frame to see if I can make sense of it

the bottom guy basically wins cause his harran for some reason focuses the other guys privaty

but all the tops guys characters focus nothing but noise

I'm still only half way through really looking at it

kek top guy actually wins

bottoms guys units are just focused left to right as the die

focus honestly just seems left to right to me

people are just being confused with aoe and taunts, really looks like AI just focuses whatever is in the 1st through to 5th slot if there is no taunt in play

[willow pecan]

Privaty seems to be bugged

For aggro

Otherwise left to right

[wintry ravine]

well in that video the guy on bottom has a privaty which isn't targeted

the one on top is in the leftmost slot so explains why she is shot

[willow pecan]

Teams are mirrored btw

Top guy's spot 1 is rightmost and getting shot

But privaty was spot 5 and got focused first, then aggro went back to spot 1

Better to set naming convention now too

My experience has always been spot 1-5 in aggro order outside of privaty weirdness

Which agrees with the video completely

[wintry ravine]

ah you are right top team is mirrored in postion order

but the bottom guys harran actually fires at admi after privaty dies

you can see it at 28 seconds

from my own personal exp (crappy super fast one sided matches) I did think the order was simply 1>5 too but there does seem to be something a bit more to it

[molten robin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/zie7nb/after_some_more_testing_i_present_you_the_def/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

@unborn glacier

This kind reddit god cracked the formula for defense effectiveness against enemies

[unborn glacier]

I agree it biased letlft to right, but certain comps/positioning ignore this without use of taunt

[unborn glacier]

I'll, check tonight

[copper nexus]

They're supposed to have icons but there is a bug where the icons don't display properly sometimes

[willow pecan]

I see what you mean. 😰 this thing just gets messier with every piece of footage we review

also, anyone notice how top harran oneshot bottom noise?

death with hp remaining

took like 70% of noise's hp in one shot without changing the display

at about 0:21

[willow pecan]

Coop cores roll over from one coop to the next, might be a bug.

Look at:

1. Day 1 coop of grave digger
2. 3/3 attempts remaining
3. cores = 3600

[copper nexus]

Probably intended

I assumed they would roll over

[atomic gyro]

@tepid swift all the maids are in here as well, we typically discuss the lab stuff here as well

I just got home

was scary how you pinged me so precisely

I think we're mostly ready

Unless any of the maids have things that need to be implemented

[tepid swift]

I already set maids only channel perms in #janitor-closet

We are basically ready at this point.

I just need things like a frond-board for any visitors who want to visit the forum.

[atomic gyro]

Originally we had the posting guidelines pinned

We replaced it with something else and now it's gone and I can't remember what

[tepid swift]

I can in-depth search it with Giselle.

Where are the guidelines posted before?

[atomic gyro]

The posting guidelines are in the post guidelines, it's the book icon when creating a new thread

I can copy that over and pin it as well

[tepid swift]

I tried searching on the logs and giselle has no records for it.

to make it effective, I think we need more than 1 forum

but if you can direct everyone to "only" posting research-able stuff on the forum then it should be gucci.

[atomic gyro]

Ah

I forgot I need to make a new role

for those that don't follow the rules

[tepid swift]

basically channelban roles?

[atomic gyro]

kinda, just no write, but reads

[tepid swift]

you can try to make that

make sure it's placed under imageban role.

[atomic gyro]

#1051461309973143572 good for an entry banner?

Also, what to call people who are banned from the research lab

[tepid swift]

looks good.

[tepid swift]

"researchlab-ban" or idk.

and make sure the role has no color

[atomic gyro]

Everything I think of would anger people

[tepid swift]

since banned from research ≠ banned from the server.

[atomic gyro]

Yeah

[dim wolf]

the heck are you talking about?

[tepid swift]

I was gonna say "Lost Guinea Pigs" but that's too harsh

[atomic gyro]

I was going to go with Single Digit IQ or Caveman

No Lab it is

[tepid swift]

Stinky Subject

[atomic gyro]

I set the no-write permissions on the category, is that right?

[tepid swift]

I fixed something

now it's right

the baserole have too much perms, always treat a muted role as a skin role that only affects certain channels.

perms synced.

[sweet ocean]

nah we need something extra stinky to tag ppl with
so normal folks can know that they're dealing with

[dull zenith]

The "Research Department" disappeared

I guess it's being worked on

[dull zenith]

@copper nexus appreciate the work updating your tierlist btw https://nikke.gg/tier-list/

Same with Prydwen's @vapid geode

[still drift]

Pinging people to thank them

[dull zenith]

I'm an aggressive thanker

Bursting with appreciation

[vapid geode]

hope people like the new split tier list

more

[dull zenith]

I do

It also differentiates your tier list from others with a unique value add

I found a weird bug in PvP with Laplace: When she bursted, her beam was sideways to the left

Not hitting anything

[still drift]

Except the split tier list was already implemented in almost all other regions already

[dull zenith]

Bro I just use Ant and Auster's

[still drift]

EN has always had a lackluster playerbase compared to KR/CN/JP in gacha games.

If you want the best info, you're going to have to look beyond EN resources.

[vapid geode]

Where. The only split tier list was made by Nikke.gg and it's also Global resource.

Jpn tier lists are generic. The CN Nga tier list everyone uses is also generic.

Also, nice that you mention trusting the JPN tier lists - they rated XRupee as SS and S and now everyone have seen how she sucks they feel baited. Only CN Nga tier list rated her low.

[vapid geode]

The other tier lists people are linking from other regions give each character one rating. I don't have any idea what split tier lists he is talking about honestly. Nikke.gg was first to use that approach.

[vapid geode]

Will look into that!

[still drift]

Gamekee and NGA Community Tier lists have been using this same format since November.
@vapid geode https://nikke.gamekee.com/163885.html

I remember there was another CN aggregator site that used the same format.

on Naver, a similar format was spread.

[vapid geode]

This is burst type format. We were talking about rating each character in various modes

Like now each character on Prydwen has 6 ratings

The burst type sections is just a way to show the data and yes, CN did it first.

[still drift]

Ah, regarding different modes, I see now.

[vapid geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1049651485086060584/1051620488138457219/image.png

[vapid geode]

Yeap

And yeah, the split by burst type visual design is superior to just lumping stuff together. So that's why we also added it to the site.

[still drift]

Never mentioned the JP tierlist specifically, nor anything about trust. You shouldn't trust one source as your de-facto place to get your rating.
But generally speaking, higher populations would generate more accurate results.

[vapid geode]

Yeah - sorry about that remark. Overall any tier list is just there to help you and you should never 100% trust anything.

[wintry ravine]

I trust in myself because I am a superior being

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[still drift]

I don't trust any tier list because we already comprise a significant majority of the EN research into Nikke

[dull zenith]

I trust tier lists over myself because I'm pepega

[still drift]

If you're going to take someone's subjective tiering, at least :

1. Take from different sources and lenses.
2. Understand their underlying testing methods and tiering logic.
3. Ignore ratings for a set amount of time after release

[dull zenith]

Bruh did you not read that I'm pepega

You can't give me these instructions asking me to think

[still drift]

But its not really thinking, its just following instructions.

[dull zenith]

Step 2 starts with "Understand"

[still drift]

Im not telling you to make a new recipe, im telling you follow the instructions to cook.

[dull zenith]

That's too much for me

I just see SSS and put it on my team

[whole fox]

Any team that can help me progress = SS

[unborn glacier]

i did some extra arena test on positioning

current updated working theory

1. initial few seconds enemy AI will burst slot 1
2. Ai will then target Privaty or Burst 1 unit (liter for me).. currently, which of the 2 is semi-random/depends on you and your opponenets positioning I think
3. taunt will interrupt this targeting priority
4. after the 1st target falls, ai will aim either left to right
   or
   right to left sequentially

[dull zenith]

How to completely fix or greatly reduce lag/stuttering in LDPlayer and maybe phones as well (but I verified in LDPlayer):

1. In the highlighted Graphics settings, change to Basic.
2. The game will prompt to restart, and you may need download some stuff.
3. Once back in the game, change the settings back to High.
4. The game will restart again.
5. ???
6. Profit

[sweet ocean]

@dull zenithstill getting stutters in squad/nikke details, but ty anyway
looks like we need to wait for shift-up themselves for the fix

[dull zenith]

It's a night-and-day difference for me in LDPlayer. Previously, anytime I quit out of a modal UI element back to the home page, or transitioned from another place into the home page, it'd lag like 5s

That is completely gone

[whole fox]

it def helps to make the game slightly more smoother

stutters n stuff still happens but at least its bareable

unlike u click and u be like r we there yet?

[unborn glacier]

I got a language/setting reset this morning

The game runs faster now after the reset (had to redownload some language stuff)

[sweet ocean]

looks like Snow White is climbing in CN/JP
people realized that if you time buffs right, you can oneshot boss mobs with her burst at 10k deficit

[molten robin]

and anne has a long cd, high attack buff 😍

so you can do what, liter anne yulha (if you can line the boss up with a 30s mark)

[dull zenith]

Anne might be MVP for PvP with her 1-time atk buff

[sweet ocean]

anne'll be the pvp queen once they fix noise

[molten robin]

I mean she singlehandedly kills healing

[sweet ocean]

pvp ends only after 1 burst cycle anyway

[dull zenith]

Exactly, and if that burst cycle includes Anne, that means big damage

[molten robin]

noise wont do much against 60%+ healing reduction

[unborn glacier]

Unless it's a Noah vs Noah team comp with healers? Guessing here

[molten robin]

I've def seen vods of fights timing out

the attacker always loses if it times out btw

[unborn glacier]

What's the time out comp used?

[molten robin]

let me see what it was

[molten robin]

it was a union mate, he didnt post a vod but sent this ss

he was the attacker

he let it time out since he assumed more alive or more hp or something would win, but he lost

[unborn glacier]

So it was a timeout due to noise

[molten robin]

yea

[unborn glacier]

Okay defiently makes It broken

With a time out focused comp

Anyone have list of non,burst healers in the game?

[wintry ravine]

rapunzel would heal herself on every shot she does

[near sigil]

But isn't turning off effect quality the same as turning off jiggles

[dull zenith]

bruh did you read/understand all of the instructions

[near sigil]

I'm still getting disgusting lag even after having all of them on low

Except effect quality

[dull zenith]

...Guess not

Do you see the red box in the graphic?

[near sigil]

Yes I have them on basic

[dull zenith]

If you can see that red box, can you tell me what you think red boxes mean?

[molten robin]

failure to read simple instructions

lol

[dull zenith]

When you see a red box, do you think it's important to focus on the settings inside the red box, or the settings outside of the red box, like effect quality

[near sigil]

I'm saying

That it doesnt change

Anything

For me

[dull zenith]

I'm sorry

[near sigil]

Even if i did what you listed there

[dull zenith]

I'm sorry it doesn't work for you

[near sigil]

[wintry ravine]

dude you are meant to toggle them to low > restart > toggle them back to high and restart again

graphics should be exactly the same as when you started but a bit less laggy

and I can confirm it seems to have helped a little for me

[dull zenith]

It helps a lot for me, but if I close Nikke in LDPlayer and relaunch it, I have to do it again to get back to best performance

[molten robin]

something I've never really seen mentioned, but with sugar's attack speed being fixed, she should in practice be the best non-aoe burst generation in the game, head and shoulders above the rest

if you're using her burst

since the attack speed remains for 5s after full burst ends, maybe she could enable comps where you can use all three burst 3s?

at the very least you cycle back into burst very quickly

[solid relic]

maybe could pair with Isabel since she reduces Full Burst duration for more time outside of Full Burst for Sugar?

[dull zenith]

RIP

7x5/5 = 6.6 poor Julia

[molten robin]

well sugar only gets her attack speed during her own burst, and isabel only reduces full burst during her own burst

so they don't directly interact

though sugar is obviously a good option for getting back into burst quickly in isabel comps

[solid relic]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Will have to try it out on Special Individual Interception Grave Digger.

[copper nexus]

oh I forgot to change that

[rare shell]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J1JPGG-zzRJ2N5w35nmPUeVtnbDOxhGqfOR5IxIh_Ak/edit# any other suggestions for this document?

[meager elbow]

I wonder if tanking team could work in interception S. At some point boss can’t oneshot you anymore even without using cover.

I try using noise. Boss down her to 20% before she heal back to full again

I don’t have pepper and other durable supports to test.

Pepper Rapunzel Centi and 2 SG might do the trick

[sweet ocean]

@meager elbowit's possible, but you need two sets of bursts to rotate
I can facetank it with pepper+helm, but I don't have another healer for the next one since helm's on cd

I think -atk% works too, but generally traditional heals work better once you can survive a drill without cover

[molten robin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/zjl9al/outpost_dispatch_missions_rates_analysis/

not sure if this data had been datamined, but I've seen him collecting data for a while and he finally released

[copper nexus]

Damn my ssr mold dispatch was hella rare eh

[solid relic]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-gif-9001354

@copper nexus I forgot, did you still need Christmas Rupee testing?

[copper nexus]

Do you have special interception unlocked?

[solid relic]

Yeah

[copper nexus]

Could you test her against the intercept bosses? Also I saw she dies instantly against alteisen and wondering if lud dies too

[solid relic]

Will do.

[copper nexus]

[solid relic]

I'm pretty sure Alteisen just kills everyone at the moment with that damned missile launcher.

[copper nexus]

Lol fair

[solid relic]

We'll see tomorrow. Today's Modernia

[still drift]

It's not datamined. He's using image screenshots from his unionmates.
I know the dispatch missions and their rates are in the files though, so we could get more accurate deets if we wished.

It is an interesting topic to pursue, so maybe I will take a look when I can.

[molten robin]

I know HIS isnt, I was just wondering if it wasnt even useful if the underlying data had been mined

but it's there either way

[still drift]

Ahh. I see.

I'll take a look regardless

Don't think anyone released any info on it.

[still drift]

Just noticed something in the Outpost, theres a series of 5 flashing lights that intermittently turn on and off really quickly.
Might be code for something if someone wants to take a closer look at it.

[dull zenith]

I want to know why we have 3 extra plots of land that have persistent + icons to annoy me

[whole fox]

morse code?

[willow pecan]

It's the overworked shift up sending a distress call

"tencent gun head, send help"

[ornate solar]

[copper nexus]

regarding laplace arena bug, can someone test and confirm if it is friendly fire or visual bug?

[solid relic]

Both of mine die in one volley of green missiles from Alteisen. However someone else is able to reach stage 7 with Winter Shopper Rupee, so it seems she does work.

LB3 vs Core 7

[copper nexus]

rip I guess there’s no way she could live without high core though?

[pearl parcel]

There is a song called

6f6e6573656c66

It's wrote in hexcode

And it came out as Oneself

Also Cosmograph left a message:

4120776f726c64207768657265204e696b6b65732061726520676976656e2066726565646f6d206f662063686f6963652e2e2e
5468617420636f756c64206272696e672061626f757420612063617461636c79736d696320736869667420696e206f757220776f726c642c20706f74656e7469616c6c7920696e2061206469666672656e7420646972656374696f6e207468617420796f7520696d6167696e65642e
497420616c6c20646570656e6473206f6e20686f77204e696b6b657320616e642068756d616e7320726561637420746f206974
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4e696b6b65732077686f2068617665206c6f6e67656420666f722066726565646f6d20636f756c642072696f7420616e64207475726e20616761696e7374207468652068756d616e20726163652e
57686f20796f7520636f6e736964657220796f757220656e656d792c20616e6420686f772070656f706c652073656520796f75
6d6967687420616c6c206368616e676520646570656e64696e67206f6e2074686520726573756c7473
4e6576657220666f726765742074686520706f74656e7469616c2072616d696669636174696f6e73
6f66207768617420796f752061726520646f696e672068657265

||A world where Nikkes are given freedom of choice...That could bring about a cataclysmic shift in our world, potentially in a diffrent direction that you imagined.It all depends on how Nikkes and humans react to itHumans might demand greater control over Nikkes.Nikkes who have longed for freedom could riot and turn against the human race.Who you consider your enemy, and how people see youmight all change depending on the resultsNever forget the potential ramificationsof what you are doing here||

[willow pecan]

spoilers for ch16+ secondhand from a friend, but like small spoilers with 0 details since I'm not there yet

||cosmograph hexcode message will be explained in detail from ch16 onwards||

[pearl parcel]

Yeah I basically did a big spoiler

I think I should move this

[willow pecan]

it's publicly available on Cosmograph's yt so I think it's fine.

[pearl parcel]

to lore spoiler

[willow pecan]

but you could move it, yeah

[pearl parcel]

Hmmm makes sense

[willow pecan]

his channel has banger Nikke OSTs and other music

it's gucci

[pearl parcel]

he is truly something else in this game industry

his soundtracks have emotions

[sweet ocean]

behold
Real Splendamin

[copper nexus]

@molten robin hey can I DM you?

[molten robin]

Yes?

[solid relic]

They probably also have all tier 9 equipment that's fully upgraded whereas I'm still using a combination of tier 9 and tier 8 equipment that's semi upgraded. I'm also going to assume they have skills at higher than 4/4/4 since they've been playing longer. I'm not sure which of those vs the cores matters the most.

[dull zenith]

So how good is Anne

Is she SSS

[still drift]

You're asking for an eval literally 50m after release

[solid relic]

I rate her a broken/10 since she still has html code in her skill descriptions in English.

[dim wolf]

[whole fox]

[zealous tapir]

looks like a granola bar entirely made out of coconut

[wintry ravine]

something we must be missing about burst gen in arena

the team on the right beat me to burst 2 games in a row

the privaty cancel each other out

pepper should beat liter in burst gen fair enough

Noah should hanidily beat Rupee

Anne should beat Dolla

Laplace should beat sugar

maybe sugar beats laplace actually

[molten robin]

laplace is worse than sugar

[wintry ravine]

yeah

still even considering that I should win no?

I wonder what Anne's burst gen numbers are, do we know?

[molten robin]

I mean pepper and sugar are both top tier burst generators

[molten robin]

140 per shot

not great

if hitting 2 targets (and actually getting burst gen from both in pvp), non-clip reload RLs are worse than snipers

[wintry ravine]

dolla generates 280 a shot

so a RL hitting 2 matches

since most of them are 140

but yeah that's more than I thought for sniper to be fair

[molten robin]

oh yea, I was looking at the class of RL with 1.5s charge, which n102 is part of

but anne is 1s

rupee and laplace will be similar, slight edge to rupee

sugar is better than liter, pepper is better than noah

[wintry ravine]

nah noah is better than pepper for burst gen

[molten robin]

that isnt true though

[wintry ravine]

noah does 300 burst gen per shot per target

[molten robin]

yes

[wintry ravine]

I mean that's likely 600 per shot she gets off

[molten robin]

and pepper does 450 and firing much faster

you can basically take the near-ST times and cut them in half

for RLs

[wintry ravine]

what sites that table from?

[molten robin]

nikke.gg

austerity's site

https://nikke.gg/burst-gauge-generation/

not sure what the SG fire-rate is offhand, but it's obviously faster than 1s

[wintry ravine]

huh well I've been underestimating shotgunners I guess when it comes to burst gen

[molten robin]

clip reload shotguns specifically

of which pepper is

and sugar

[sweet ocean]

they gen a ton
in addition to their damage. Shottys are kings in boss fights

[molten robin]

same for rocket launchers, clip reload RLs are way ahead of their peers

[copper nexus]

We still don't know the range for arena :(

But it does seem like it's somewhere between 0~35 since shotguns are performing so well

[molten robin]

yea, though my working assumption atm is SGs hit all pellets

[copper nexus]

Could be correct

[molten robin]

primarily because I don't actually think these fights are being simulated as we are used to seeing it, I think they're undergoing a simplified combat process, and whichever target is chosen is simply being hit

with RLs hard-coded to hit adjacent

[wintry ravine]

time to rethink my pvp teams

[molten robin]

it wouldnt make sense to run real combat scenarios in the backend for so many pvp games if you can simplify it

[copper nexus]

Good point

[molten robin]

• if they did, they could just show us the real fight

but they dont

but those are just assumptions

I cant think of a good way to test it

[wintry ravine]

@copper nexus has anne been mined at 140 burst gen per shot?

[copper nexus]

Yes

[wintry ravine]

[slow pulsar]

AR still perform better than SG in arena maybe since my strongest unit is Drake and her damage is still below scarlet (no burst) scarlet is around 350k+ and drake is 300k+

[copper nexus]

I meant for energy generation

[slow pulsar]

Oh ok

[copper nexus]

I think shotgun energy is a more accurate way to figure out what range arena is

And then we can try to calculate if range bonus exists from there

[slow pulsar]

Oh yeah, I lost burst race when I attack the rank 2nd and 3rd in my bracket (eventually lost) but when they attack me I win, maybe someone experience the same thing?

[copper nexus]

Interesting

They could've just changed their team, but if they didn't then it would mean there is rng to it

To the targeting priority probably

[slow pulsar]

Probably, cant get info on what they attack me with sadly, but it's pretty consistent about the attack = lose part. Because my point keep rising when I off but if I attack them I lose (because they burst first)

[molten robin]

anyone have a pvp vod handy that includes shotguns?

[copper nexus]

https://youtu.be/x7UZTBCf2Uw

this one has a drake

[molten robin]

hmmm it doesnt start from the beginning though

oh but there's multiple

[molten robin]

is there a way for me to look up, say, rapunzel's health at lvl 58?

[copper nexus]

we’re working on that

should be done in a couple days hopefully

[molten robin]

I tried counting shots in arena, but they're so smashed together I cant

[copper nexus]

yeah it’s hard

[molten robin]

but if I could estimate the health of, for example, the enemy rapunzel I kill, I could make a decent estimate of how many pellets are hitting

[copper nexus]

I tried too but I started losing my mind lol

good point

rapunzel level 58?

I can try to find it

[molten robin]

yea

[molten robin]

@copper nexus nvm on rapunzel health, I can confirm all 10 pellets are hitting

or very close

testing method: for starters, I verified that when killing an enemy, shotguns dont consider all pellets to hit - only the required # of pellets to kill will register

I can video that if anyone wants, verified with very near enemies in lost sector 1 with only ~4-8k hp

next, I redid my arena match against a 10k power guy with solo drake and looked at his rapunzel damage taken at the end, since I verified shotguns have very little overflow damage being registered, it should be close to accurate

82005, I divided by my non-crit hit of 2982 which gives me 27.5 hits

some were crits, so that would reduce the actual # of hits, but also my third shot was only a partial because of overkill

after first shot:

after 2nd shot:

then third shot obviously kills

given how partial the third shot is, even subtracting from 27.5 hits due to crits, I think it's almost certain all 10 pellets were hitting

[copper nexus]

I found it

[molten robin]

in fact, going a step further, it's trivial to estimate how much damage each shot did, because I can take the % of the total hp bae she comprises, which is 18.83%

and setting 18.83% as her full hp, I can look at the meter after first shot:

[copper nexus]

123308 HP
802 DEF

[molten robin]

and divide 7.47/18.83 = ~40%, and 40% of 82k is 32.5k, divided by my non-crits that's ~10.9 pellets hit to deal that much damage

[molten robin]

yea I realized it wouldnt matter much anyways because arena has penalty applied, reducing his hp lol

[copper nexus]

so it’s 0 range confirmed?

[molten robin]

so I have 10.9 pellets hitting for my first shot

the 0.9 is from crits

[copper nexus]

[molten robin]

unless someone pokes a hole in my testing methodology, I'm pretty confident it's hitscan

[copper nexus]

this makes shotguns p good

hitting all pellets per shot

I wonder if there is range bonus

but if it’s not like real battles then maybe there isn’t

if all weapons just get guaranteed hits then hit rate cube sucks in arena

[molten robin]

ok well that took 2 hours and 4 of my tickets lol

glad rank doesnt really matter

[copper nexus]

I think you might be right about arena being a simple simulated battle thing, all hits landing on enemy units

lmaoooo

[molten robin]

yea im pretty confident

[copper nexus]

so how does target priority work

[molten robin]

uh, pass

[copper nexus]

[molten robin]

im gonna put off the neve and hp potency testing I told you I'd do until tomorrow

gotta actually do my dailies now lol

[copper nexus]

lol fair

[slow pulsar]

Hmm

So why does my drake deals more damage at close range vs scarlet but deals less damage than scarlet in arena

I should've taken SS

[copper nexus]

I assume there is no range bonus in arena then

[molten robin]

well that can be broken down and tested as a separate issue

[copper nexus]

maybe there isn’t real range at all and all units just get guaranteed hit rate

more tests to be done

[dull zenith]

I need someone's tier list to tell me whether to pull on Anne... I'm pepega...

[wintry ravine]

you should def pull on anne

we can build 3 pvp teams in special arena and she will for sure be useful in one

[dull zenith]

Fuck. That's the logic that I was afraid of

[wintry ravine]

even if you don't care about pvp she has the largest burst 2 ATK buff by a long ways so is great for clearing content

[dull zenith]

I'm gonna have to dip into my Modernia savings... for Anne.... AHH

[copper nexus]

my current thoughts is that her kit is good for pvp, but currently pvp rewards are meh

so not a must pull

[dull zenith]

OKAY THANK YOU

I WILL HOLD OUT LONGER

But I do like to be on top of PvP even if the rewards are meh...

Fuck.

[molten robin]

she is so strong within her niche I think pulling her is a no-brainer for a limited unit

[dull zenith]

Shit.

You guys. This is like a rollercoaster.

[copper nexus]

we might be able to find a good use for her other than pvp

[molten robin]

wait until they release a healing boss lol

[trail falcon]

It depends on the units you already have, as a f2p player without rapunzel I'm skipping her for sure. Thinking about skipping modernia as well

[wintry ravine]

she's also the only heal cut in the game atm which is valuable in and of itself

[trail falcon]

you need to look at your goals and then make the call yourself

[dull zenith]

I kinda hate that you keep making sense

[copper nexus]

they might release more later though. rapunzel was the unique reviver until anne release

[dull zenith]

Well, my PvP team right now is Noise, Rapunzel, Noah, Privaty, and Maiden (this one doesn't matter)

[molten robin]

it'll be hard to match the ease and magnitude with which she applies her healing reduction though

[trail falcon]

you really shouldn't care about PvP imo

[dull zenith]

Okay, 10-pulls, or single on Anne

oaisjefiojsaefoijasefoij

[molten robin]

80% on last bullet (which as a RL you can do on command)

[trail falcon]

idk how special arena is going to work in terms of who you're matched up against but its probably cross server, idk how whale you are but the fact that you're even asking whether to pull for her already tells me you're not whale enough

[dull zenith]

I spend, but I'm not whale

[copper nexus]

special arena rewards don’t even look good

we’ll have to see if they upgrade the arena shop

[dull zenith]

But if they do that, Anne will be gone already

[copper nexus]

it doesn’t unlock before the end of the event?

[dull zenith]

Does it? I have no idea

[trail falcon]

My perspective as a f2p player who doesn't care about how "waifu" a nikke is and only cares about meta. My long-term goal atm is unlocking special intercept and short-term goal is getting 5 lb3 nikkes. I'm skipping her for sure

the only question for me is whether I'm skipping modernia

But if you can map out long-term and short-term goals as well as what kind of player you are, you'll be able to help yourself make the decision

[dull zenith]

Well I have 4 mlb and three 2-stars

So I'm not worried about that

I'm just worried that I'll need her for my second PvP team

But then PvP doesn't matter.... right or does it

My goal is to get Modernia

[trail falcon]

Whether it matters or not is your call to make. I don't think it matters

[dull zenith]

So I can one day start doing Pilgrim tower

My goal is also to get Drake and Sugar and Rupee

[zealous tapir]

id like to skip modernia but its not possible because of pilgrim tower

[dull zenith]

So I have shotgunners

and... Rupe

[zealous tapir]

unless u alrdy have all the current pilgrims in the game

[trail falcon]

My plan is to just exchange modernia with the golden mileage and avoid investing further tix and gems

[dull zenith]

I skipped XRupee and was planning on skipping Anne so I can dump everything on Modernia and hopefully pick up Drake along the way

[zealous tapir]

by investing do u mean spend money or?

i think most ppl will use gold mileage ticket for modernia from the looks of it

[trail falcon]

I'm a f2p player so I don't spend money. I meant using my reserves

[zealous tapir]

oh that

yea but u could potentially get dupes from pulling too so idk if saving is valuable

[trail falcon]

There's little point for me in getting dupes, chances are pretty slim and my main priority is lb3 on 5 nikkes. Her banner only has her at 1% as supposed to 2% on other rate up banners

[zealous tapir]

hmmm

i mean yea the 1% aint rly worth

but how about standard?

though arguably u could also get nothing from standard so understandable

[dull zenith]

I think I'm going to pull. @wintry ravine @molten robin are both convincing

[zealous tapir]

do u care about pvp this much

u get no gems out of it

[dull zenith]

Yeah, but it's fun to win against players

[zealous tapir]

mamma mia

nothing fun about autoplay pvp

[wintry ravine]

anne is very good in pve too, het atk buff is massive

probably the best laplace buffer in burst 2 position

[copper nexus]

what stages are you using her in?

[zealous tapir]

yea but yulha does more dmg no

[copper nexus]

yes yulha is better if you can get the timings

[zealous tapir]

i thought the caveat of anne was rather that she takes over a potential dmg slot

at least for pve

for pvp she is top tier

[wintry ravine]

you can't time yulha with 2nd burst very easily I would think, never tried though

[zealous tapir]

yulha takes a bit of rng but its doable

[copper nexus]

it shouldn’t be that rng, just takes practice to learn

[trail falcon]

There's that clip of snow white taking out more than 4 bars of health from s-interception with yulha/miranda/poli atk buffs

[wintry ravine]

I mean nothing stopping you using yulha and anne 😛 in a 1-2-2

[zealous tapir]

some ppl say its rng after a few retries and some say its just a matter of timing the skill

[trail falcon]

basically dealing 15 million dmg in one shot ?

[copper nexus]

yeah

[zealous tapir]

i can see anne maybe having potential in teams that run 0 defender

but centi atm is kinda like

[dull zenith]

I'm sitting on Anne's recruit screen reading this chat and being indecisive lol

[zealous tapir]

hmmm

[copper nexus]

should be even more with anne over poli

[wintry ravine]

yeah and Anne is pretty much better than poli tbh, poli has some niche pros but overall anne better for pve

[zealous tapir]

like a team with only good supporters and attackers

[copper nexus]

tbh anne’s supporter healing kinda sucks

[dull zenith]

Poli's shield is great

[copper nexus]

I haven’t been able to make good use of her in pve

[trail falcon]

I'm not sure if you aware of special arena rewards, but you can take a look at them to better inform your decision

[wintry ravine]

Probably annes best team is with pepper since they buff each others healing

[zealous tapir]

i think anne needs specific synergies

[zealous tapir]

yea smth like with pepper

since pepper is a decent dmg dealer as well

[copper nexus]

[zealous tapir]

what are those numbers

i cant read korean

[trail falcon]

Rank/Chips/Special arena pts

[copper nexus]

special arena rewards

[dull zenith]

Yeah but what can you buy with those ships?

[copper nexus]

arena shop

rn it’s just skill mats

[molten robin]

what's in the arena shop for special arena?

[copper nexus]

dunno if there will be a diff shop or same shop

[molten robin]

it cant be same shop...

this is a different currency

[trail falcon]

its a different shop but we don't know whats in the shop yet

[dull zenith]

It can't be the same shop. The seasonal rewards for Rookie Arena are like 13000 for 1st place

Special arena is 600

[molten robin]

these are arena coins, I believe

not the tickets or w/e we are getting

[copper nexus]

it was changed from the leak

in the leak, rookie arena also was supposed to give coins

they changed it to tickets

rookie and special arena gave the same arena shop currency in the leak

but this could change too

[copper nexus]

this is hourly rewards

[trail falcon]

not sure if special arena is going to be cross server but champion arena will 100% be cross server

That's how other idle games do it as well

[copper nexus]

400 arena shop currency per hour, 600 sp arena points per hour

probably there will be more things added to arena shop

or there’s legit nothing to buy

you can already buy most of the things as rank 1 rookie

[trail falcon]

rn I'm only purchasing iron manuals because most of the units I use are iron attribute

[wintry ravine]

I've not bought anything from the arena store

[molten robin]

same

[trail falcon]

have you guys seen t9 or the module to overload gear in the shop ?

[molten robin]

it's just t5 gear isnt it

[trail falcon]

I've only seen t5 gear yea

I was wondering if those of you who've progressed past chapter 16 have different rewards

[copper nexus]

I think shop is the same

[trail falcon]

even the datamined union battle info doesn't show additional ways to accrue gems

I really hope they introduce more ways to obtain gems

[willow pecan]

If PvP is hitscan then missed shots from rocket launchers are those that attack an enemy that's already dead?

[molten robin]

could be

got any video of it in action?

[willow pecan]

Nope, but it happens pretty frequently for me. Rapunzel aiming for a Nikke that dies just before she shoots, it whiffs off into thin air.

[molten robin]

I also wouldnt trust the visuals of the projectiles, because when testing shotguns, my damage appeared before I actually shot any bullets

[willow pecan]

👀

[molten robin]

this is the first frame damage appears above folkwang:

and this is the very next frame:

you can see the bullets spraying out in the frame after the damage appeared

[willow pecan]

I see it

Damn. Shotgun meta in PvP then? 🤔 Shotgun to first strike burst3 and win off that unless noise.

@molten robin friend is reporting that drake is not outdamaging scarlet despite even or better gear like it would if every pellet hits (in GD intercept)

Unsure why there is a discrepancy

Gonna confirm their gears, bonds and stuff, will get back here.

[molten robin]

not sure about that, but it's not necessarily contrary to my pellet hit testing anyways

also is his scarlet using burst?

[willow pecan]

Yes, but damage gap happens before burst

Will explain his setup soon-ish

[molten robin]

you can check damage before the end of the fight??

am I missing a button?

[willow pecan]

Hmm, good point. Why did he say that 🤔

[molten robin]

because most people are pepega and cant contribute to testing lol

[willow pecan]

This one's pretty stonks especially in priconne etc though. I'll check and get back to you after work, sorry for delay.

[dull zenith]

@wintry ravine @molten robin @copper nexus I did it #show-off message

[molten robin]

That makes one of us

Don't have her yet

[dull zenith]

BUT YOU RECOMMENDED

[vapid geode]

honestly, I don't think Anne is worth it

unless you pull her because you like her

[dull zenith]

Great. There goes 20 tickets

[trail falcon]

how are you unhappy lol, you got insanely lucky

[molten robin]

Well yea, because I think it's a no brainer

I'm pulling for her just gotten unlucky

[dull zenith]

Eh not “insanely” lucky. There’s a 40% chance to get 1 SSR per 10 pull

I pulled twice, so 64% chance to get at least one SSR, and 50% chance SSR is Anne

[molten robin]

More like 34%, but that chance is halved for specifically anne

[trail falcon]

at least it wasn't 200 pulls to get her

[dull zenith]

Oh right, something like that

[still drift]

I personally don't see the hype around Anne.
Sure she might have a 43~% ATK+ on her burst.
But her CD is 60s, and that also then predates on the fact you're going to bring another B2, which is the current cast is very lackluster atm.

I think she only really shines in one-time burst scenarios, such as PvP.

Rez already niche.

[solid relic]

Feast your eyes on these amazing tier 6s.

General Shop can actually provide me tier 8s now, but I've only seen tier 6s in the Arena Shop.

[willow pecan]

Scam Shop

[vapid geode]

Yeah, she's like pure PVP unit

in PVE

she is like average at best

[dim wolf]

Just for notice XAnne burst doesnt get applied immediately (bug?) so it sucks a lot with immediate dmg on auto, need actually delay it a bit

@vapid geode may be interesting

Auto

Delayed by 2s

[vapid geode]

That's weird

[dim wolf]

so it kinda sucks for Arena

if you use her for immediate dmg burst

[vapid geode]

can you just to be sure, test it again?

if it was one time thing

or really it happens 100% of the time

[dim wolf]

100% of the time

[vapid geode]

also, do check the status window

if the buff appears there

[dim wolf]

I learned about this because my friend told me

[vapid geode]

hmm

[dim wolf]

so I tested too

[vapid geode]

can you check if the buff appears in the status window?

during the initial 2 second gap

[dim wolf]

I'll try

immediately after burst2

immediately after burst3

no buff

[vapid geode]

damn

thx for reporting

[dim wolf]

1s later buff appeared but too late

[vapid geode]

will mark her as bugged on the site

what I wonder

how could this happen

[dim wolf]

oh wait

looks like pause also affects it

[vapid geode]

so if you pause then what happens?

[dim wolf]

so if you pause enough it will apply for Scarlet burst

[vapid geode]

[dim wolf]

well I pulled XAnne for pvp

so gonna test it tomorrow

dont feel to spend 100 gems to test it

[vapid geode]

if it breaks in PVE

it will break in PVP too

high chance

[dim wolf]

but you cant pause in pvp

so useless

[vapid geode]

did anyone test if Anne even counters Noise in PVP?

as in, if the S2 affects 'healing'

[dim wolf]

I wanted to test it as well after reset

[vapid geode]

[dim wolf]

100 gems per attempt is a robbery

[quick vector]

I tested

and Noise S2 is not "Healing"

[vapid geode]

she got stunned right when the debuff was applied

Anne uses the debuff when she uses last ammo in mag

so she used it and then Noise got stunned