Research Dungeon

[unborn glacier]

T_T

[copper nexus]

[molten robin]

@copper nexus

you say structures killed didnt count, but I assume you meant they did

[copper nexus]

I meant killed doesn’t give extra, it counts structures hits

[molten robin]

well damage done and enemies killed doesnt increase it at all, and structures do, so I think lumping them together here doesnt make sense

you either imply structures dont normally, or you imply damage done and enemies killed normally do, but didnt do extra

[copper nexus]

Structures give energy on hit, not on kill

[molten robin]

yes

so instead of stating they dont generate "more" energy, why are you not stating "they dont generate energy"?

[copper nexus]

Better?

[molten robin]

yea that's much better

[solid relic]

@copper nexus Here's burst fill times for Noah
65s
63s
62s
66s
66s

[copper nexus]

Ty

[solid relic]

@copper nexus Crow's burst fill times when targeting the close ground mob. The numbers I gave allen were auto targeting the mid range center mob.
37s
38s
38s
38s
38s

Soline's burst fill times when targeting the close ground mob. The numbers I gave allen were auto targeting the mid range center mob.
40s
39s
39s
39s
40s

Soline's reload times are slightly longer than Crow's (2s vs 1.67s) which probably leads to the difference in times.

Brid's burst fill times
58s
58s
57s
58s
59s

[sweet ocean]

damn, 20 blues and 20 rainbows for the entirety of Christmas events

about doubled of what I expected

10 more rainbows coming from logins too

[whole fox]

Heh inb4 its true

2 banner at the same time

They gonna hit hard on limited banner

Plus

They r in the event wo

So

There is a high chance they r both releasing at the same time

I think i will dodge anne doe

Will just pull for rupee

[willow pecan]

everyone and their mum prolly dodging anne

depends on rupee's release state

[willow pecan]

Regarding this graph about CP reductions from lord god Costra:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013823581207150622/1048600700969570366/Figure_1.png

Two datapoints to show useful/useless region:

1. useful region:
   new -4% CP = -21.75% stat
   old -4.01% CP = -28.00% stat
   (6.25% benefit after patch)

2. useless region:
   new -12% CP = -37.5% stat
   old -12.01% cp = -39.30% stat
   (1.80% benefit after patch)

3. third datapoint cause I'm doubting myself
   new -30% CP = -57.5% stat
   old -30.01% cp = -57.30% stat
   (0.20% benefit)

My summary: if you're more than 5% CP below recommended CP you don't get any real benefit from the changes.

please ping and correct me if I made mistakes.

[vernal coral]

Speaking of lower CP runs, figured out some good strategies, though B3s targeting at least anywhere from 5 to optimally at least 10, if not room-wide, enemies with high output seem to be necessary along with good manual play.

And actually, leaving the boss alone for a bit tends to be better than trying to rush it down unless you enter full burst with such an AoE as it spawns and thus have the leniency for a few seconds to let your team focus fire the target.

I can't clear 87 yet, this gap seems too big

Anything people want me to look into?

has there been a table constructed yet for bond values, by the way?

[copper nexus]

Don’t think so

[solid relic]

Huh, getting an extra Advising Attempt from the Infrastructure Core gives you the point as well, but getting an extra Stamina for the Brief Encounters does not give you the point. Guess because it's a weekly refresh thing or something.

[molten robin]

do we have a list of factors for character upgrade ranking?

[sweet ocean]

Burst Skill - Roar
CD: 40secs, Damage Type: Water
■ Affects self.
Critical Rate ▲ 31.95% for 20 sec.
Hit Rate ▲ 22.04% for 20 sec.
So with Neve's burst buff being 20s instead of the usual 10, it can be extended and refreshed infinitely with Pepper.

[unborn glacier]

neve is water though right?

[sweet ocean]

yes

that's why I suggested Pepper, Rupee doesn't work

[copper nexus]

Actually huge

[sweet ocean]

Looking at her kit again, she'd be absolutely huge if not for the SR statline

[unborn glacier]

Her statline measurements aren't huge enough?

[sweet ocean]

I distinctly remember SR having less raw stats than SSR in general
might be from level scaling

[unborn glacier]

ahh then yes

[sweet ocean]

what the hell? They're actually buffing old units

Sorry coming from Genshin itself this is like a shock to me

[shell knoll]

fucking kek genshit only cares about their representation which is zhonk lee

not only do they never buff a shit, they made a buff around 3 times including the geo team bonus

whoops sorry for the rant

[sweet ocean]

~~but geo is still a shit element in the end ~~

[copper nexus]

Buff vesti skill maybe vesti bugfix coming too?

[molten robin]

I'd forgotten how ASS guillotine's attack buff is

First my mind went "that's a lot of extra attack around skill 5 compared to before" then I realized she buffs attack by 5% at 50% HP, so it only becomes 7.5 lmao

[copper nexus]

Yeah guillo sucks

[molten robin]

They did her dirty with the burst generation too like wtf

I actually really love LMGs too

That was my main weapon when I played division 2

[unborn glacier]

well she sucks less now?

[molten robin]

Slightly so yea

I mean it's the right direction lol

[unborn glacier]

good for me then

cause i use my guilotine sometimes

[willow pecan]

doesn't feel like the buffs have changed anything tbh

[shell knoll]

A for effort

cuz I thought they wouldn't bother

[tropic patio]

guys, if you have time please help me fill this form
https://forms.gle/5bH5qNMJ7Rp9KQj16

i'm trying to make something like this

[molten robin]

@copper nexus read your first impressions, I think you're underselling xrupee when you're comparing her to admi here, because what you fail to mention (and indeed, barely highlight, despite being a main feature of her kit), is that while admi does offer another some extra offensive buffs, xrupee lets you use your burst 2 compared to running admi - for example, being able to use dolla burst every rotation compared to an admi comp effectively adds the value of dolla's burst to every rotation, which is significant at a decent st hit + her attack/critrate/critdmg

[copper nexus]

Rupee is burst 1 and I do mention it

[molten robin]

not that she's burst 1, that she is a "free" burst

aka, she is providing a stronger version of admi's reload buff, without taking up one of the normally 3 bursts you can do every rotation

[copper nexus]

I'll add a longer section for it

[molten robin]

admi's opportunity cost is the value of another burst 2, such as dolla

every time you use admi you're effectively losing the value of dolla/rupee's/(insert random burst 2 here)

whereas xrupee's opportunity cost is flexibility, you lose the option of a third burst 3 you might only use sometimes, for example helm and her healing burst

personally I think the returning to burst stage 1 is what makes her kit overloaded

she does so much without competing with the others in her burst slot

[willow forge]

heyas

[willow pecan]

Yeah from what I understand current Xrupee comp > admi comp by far in terms of specific performance

By which I mean allowing scarlet to unlimited bullet works

DPS to DPS xrupee setup wins hands down on single target bossing

But flexibility means sometimes you might want that third b3, so both comps need to be kept in consideration

Hmmm, what if that third b3 is Maxwell?

[molten robin]

well you dont need to consider what the 3rd b3 does non-burst, when comparing admi vs xrupee directly, because you arent running xrupee instead of maxwell - you're running xrupee instead of admi

the only reason you can instead detract the opportunity cost of the actual burst effect of a b2 from admi is she is replacing that burst 2

[willow pecan]

Xrupee Liter Dolla Scarlet Privaty

liter admi scarlet privaty maxwell

The comps are a little different

[molten robin]

so it is the actual utility of the third b3's burst that is the opportunity cost of xrupee, not the character

[willow pecan]

Xrupee alone isn't enough to hit 100%, you always need two sources no?

Usually that 2nd source is privaty

Unless you intend to xrupee admi

[molten robin]

and you can still run privaty

[willow pecan]

Maybe I'm not quite understanding the whole picture 🤔

[molten robin]

let me try to break it down more concisely how I view the comparison

to drive the point home I'll do an example comp

liter - dolla - admi - scarlet - privaty
xrupee - liter - dolla - scarlet privaty

what are the differences in these comps? in the admi comp, you gain the charge damage and crit damage buffs of admi, you lose the st damage and buffs dolla provides on burst

so in favor of the admi comp: crit dmg buff, charge damage buff
in favor of xrupee comp: dolla burst/burst buffs, burst bar generation buff, defense buffs, taunt

[willow pecan]

Does admi need to burst to give reload?

[molten robin]

yes

[willow pecan]

I don't remember it offhand

Then you can't use the first comp

[molten robin]

that's the whole crux of my argument

[willow pecan]

Dolla doesn't work with admi

[molten robin]

why not?

dolla still provides cdr without burst

[willow pecan]

Huh

I thought she has to burst

[molten robin]

she provides her cdr on full burst, and her set of buffs on burst

[willow pecan]

That changes everything

Thank you, think that was the part I missed.

[molten robin]

tldr, xrupee does what admi does without requiring a burst, and so is almost strictly better as the extra buffs admi provides are worse than getting a different burst 2 effect

• xrupee's own utility

[half grove]

Xrupee does it better

iirc her reload buff duration is longer as well

oh nvm both are the same duration

[copper nexus]

I'd say the big difference is admi can support harran
Liter, admi, scarlet, harran, privaty
Vs
Xrupee, liter, rupee/dolla, scarlet, privaty

[dull zenith]

What if you don't have either harran or scarlet

Or do char evaluations just hinge on their ability to support one of those two units

[copper nexus]

The topic is a scarlet reload comp

[dull zenith]

Ah

Btw, Auster, is your Google sheet still the best place for your work (vs. nikke.gg)

[copper nexus]

I know, I'm still more comfortable with sheets

Still learning the website

[dull zenith]

I prefer your website, but I use your sheet cuz it's usually more updated 🙂

[copper nexus]

I'll get better with time

[dull zenith]

Right now I use Noise + N102, and then usually Admi, Privaty, and Julia (Admi and Julia are 3*, so CP works out). I'm thinking XRupee would replace Noise, especially if they "fix" Noise

But if Noise doesn't get fixed, I think Noise is better than XRupee

She AOE taunts with each shot, and she's extremely durable

[copper nexus]

What chapter/stage are you at?

[dull zenith]

And her heals always top up my team

I'm stuck in Ch 13

[copper nexus]

Hm I see

Noise seems to start dying ch 14+

[dull zenith]

Just a bit over 43k power, against 46k wall

[dull zenith]

Are we sure the XRupee is more durable as a tank than Noise? I find it difficult to believe.

Also Noise's burst allowing my team to heal itself has also been MVP, but XRupee doesn't have any team heals

Noise is like the single solution for sustain for any team comp right now I feel like

Except in encounters with big spike damage that require shields

[copper nexus]

I'll have to see her live testing to have a more confident opinion

My theory is that xrupee has defensive buffs, so she should scale better defensively

She can be run with something like helm or another healer if needed

And getting to use liter or n102 burst more often will let you kill the enemies faster too

[dull zenith]

I guess we'll have to wait until live testing to really know

Noise is so MVP to me right now, but I am planning on pulling for XRupee

Probably will wait on pulling for XRupee until people report their findings and experiences with her

Just like Laplace, I didn't pull until it became clear she's actually good

[copper nexus]

Yeah I'll need a couple days after release to also find any potential bugs

[dull zenith]

Anne is 100% a PvP character. Burst damage and healing debuff

Probably MVP in Arena

[copper nexus]

Anti healing is certainly interesting

[half grove]

well there might be potential issues with Cooldown

unless you Run Liter Dolla

then again you still would have to wait for a little while to get the burst back

assuming you run X Rupee Liter Dolla Scarlet Privaty
the biggest concern about the team is Energy generation. ( unless you switch out Privaty with a B3 RL or a B3 SG in Closerange )
even if your CD comes back up, your Energy bar might not fill up which makes you lose dps.
[ then again might need test on how good is the Energy gain mechanic from XRupee's S2 ]

and if you run X Rupee Liter Centi Scarlet Privaty
you would have enough Energy generation.
but you would find yourself stuck in somecases where your CD isn't back up ( Since X Rupee also increases the rate of you getting Energy back by 7% at Lvl 10 )

Still tho its a theory. OR you could run Harran instead, afterall she is a Very strong Energy Gen Unit
( possible solution. X Rupee Liter Dolla Scarlet Harran ) [ also in theory X Rupee's S2 works with Harran's S1 which means her Energy gens an extra boost on top ]

And about the Tanking issue, the Def increase is not only to herself but whole team iirc
( Last Bullet Mechanic gives DEF to whole team for 5sec )
( Each burst gives DEF to the whole team for 20s but the Multipliers are Very Low compared to S1 But the Duration last 4 times longer )

Still depends on how much base DEF she has, she also has Built in Lifesteal ( Depends as well but in theory due to power deficit, lifesteal on X Rupee might be kinda cope )
It might not be lifesteal because the translation says : "Recover 50.47% of attack damage as HP over 10 sec." not For, which means its a Heal over Time?
BUT if its heal over time, is it based on the DMG she does. IF so then its a VERY VERY BAD Healing value
if its based on her Atk stat then it might work.

[sweet ocean]

Wew, full burst extension from Mordenia

And since her burst isn't an instant-cast, it also benefits from Full Burst Damage Bonus

She's going to print core hits with this kit

[copper nexus]

Yeah it will depend on her stats and how good the energy buff ends up being

[half grove]

yeah the good thing about modernia's kit is the extra full burst

with unlimited ammo

for MG its very good

but it depends on the multiplier on her Attacks ( only hope she has high attack multiplier, that might be the redeeming factor )

[sweet ocean]

If her burst outright gives her two bullets per shot
Or if she can NA the whole screen lol

[half grove]

from 10 -> 15s FB duration, you wouldn't going to encounter issues like not enough CD

[copper nexus]

Modernia hit rate buff is 15 secs... pepper build?

Skill 2 could be perma'd

[sweet ocean]

if you can fill the bar in 5s kek

[half grove]

the only thing that sucked is that her S1 is Crit dmg but we'll see about it because the more heavier the deficit, the weaker the Crit is

her S2 is actually nice

Burst as well

so far her kit is good

except for S1

[copper nexus]

That should hopefully be fixed by her release

[half grove]

someone in NGA also calc'd that the Burst gives her a 20~40% dps boost

[copper nexus]

Op

[half grove]

but we all know that MG has One of the "Best Theoritical DPS but in reality its "

[sweet ocean]

it only is when there are core hits
which most boss fights lack

[half grove]

i could go check the scalings of all MG and start making assumptions
on what if her base attack multipliers are like this and that

[copper nexus]

Not sure if burst is buff or weap change

[half grove]

i mean i did this

for X Rupee w Scarlet

[sweet ocean]

she can't, FB with mord is 15s, buffs also last 15s

I'm gonna go with the burst giving her 2 bullets per shot, might be too much cope but eh

[copper nexus]

Why does that mean it won't work?

[half grove]

lemme post it here so that we would know

[copper nexus]

I thought it works with 15s

[copper nexus]

Inb4 last minute changes and bugs throw all calcs out the window

[half grove]

wait her S2
is it? her procing the Full burst?
or She/Ally can also proc the S2

[sweet ocean]

neve works because her buffs are 20s and FB's duration is normal (10s). Plenty of time to fill
Mord doesn't because her buffs are only 15s and FB's duration is 15s. You don't even have time to fill an inch of bar

In fact 15s buff is already ded for Pepper because pepper's cd is 20s

[copper nexus]

Ah rip

[half grove]

wait

[copper nexus]

Could work with dolla + isabel/vesti maybe

[half grove]

Affects all Allies, activate when Full burst -> Hit rate increase
Burst skill 40s Affects all Allies FB for 5s ( BUT its only on Modernia )

so

if i do

Pepper Centi Scarlet Modernia

FB will still be 10s

no?

and Modernia's Hit rate will proc

with 15s left, instead of 15 it will be 5s

and if you can fill that bar fast enough with Centi

Then it would work

in theory

but Pepper has 20s CD

so nope

[copper nexus]

Yes her skill 2 procs on FB

It should still sometimes refresh even with no CD

[half grove]

this is just pain.

wait Modernia Drake combo

with Sugar

[copper nexus]

I'm sure there's some way to make this broken

[sweet ocean]

she plays very nice with shotties at least

[severe silo]

What are the pros of increase full burst uptime?

[half grove]

you get extra 50% dmg for extra 5 sec

[copper nexus]

Tbh it seems better to burst spam since most FB buffs are 5 or 10s

[half grove]

and you won't have a issue of having not enough CD

but now the question would be
is it worth it

the opportunity cost

[half grove]

^ yea

opportunity cost

[copper nexus]

Pepper, liter, dolla, modernia, isabel/vesti

[half grove]

we'll have to see tbh on her Multipliers

or i can do the calc rn

do i do it?

[copper nexus]

[half grove]

i'm already tired on doing Scarlet calc with X Rupee

[copper nexus]

Do it for fun

[half grove]

really man

do i do a full scale 1:30s

or a FB only

i don't want to do 1:30s

it sounds so much pain

[sweet ocean]

one rot just to check for potentials

[half grove]

i'll check ig

i dunno how her Burst works tho like the
Combat Goggles equipped:
Extending the line of sight and auto-aim at all enemies within fire range. Deals 1.22% of ATK as damage for 15 sec.

[sweet ocean]

prob adds a constant damage tick (same fire rate as MG)

to the whole screen

[copper nexus]

Combat goggles sounds like a weapon change

[sweet ocean]

this gal will need as much testing as lappy once she's out

[half grove]

i assume its just extra 1.22% dmg on her attack

[copper nexus]

auto aim at all enemies

Isn't it aoe dmg?

[half grove]

within fire range

hmmmm

[copper nexus]

Extends her "line of sight"

[half grove]

so the area she can fire will be alot wider

and she can hit more enemies

so basically MG that can do AOE

and instead of her Multiplier
the DMG becomes 1.22% instead

dunno

[copper nexus]

Yeah something like that

[half grove]

how it works my brain is going into a melt down

[copper nexus]

Really hard to know until we see

[half grove]

yeah, i'll try to calc it

[copper nexus]

@half grove they just posted modernia combat video

[half grove]

send it here

i wanna see

[copper nexus]

I mean the one in #datamine

So it looks like weapon change with aoe increase

[half grove]

ok wtf

[willow forge]

looks to be like

attack everything in said area

still mg doe

[half grove]

^

[copper nexus]

Yeah

[half grove]

yes

[willow forge]

but w +damage

[copper nexus]

Attack everything in area with increased dmg

[willow forge]

the said to be 1% one

yus, basically

[half grove]

wait so does that mean that "IF i have attack the same enemy would that proc?"

[willow forge]

enemies showcased def squishi doe

[copper nexus]

I think it could be good boss killer tbh

MG rof with big enough area to hit multiple parts

[half grove]

assuming
my attack is 5.57% with extra 0.76% on top
if the enemy i attack it gets affected on top then, 1.22%
so a 5.57% + 0.76% w a extra number of 1.22%

[copper nexus]

Should scale well with buffs

Though MG gets cucked at start of clip

[half grove]

MG do be having really high theoretical dps but in reality its

[copper nexus]

[half grove]

MG doe be actually having really high theoretical dps

[copper nexus]

I think the burst 1.22% might just be replacing her base 0.76%

[half grove]

man

i dunno if its accurate or not

[willow forge]

is it me

or does modernia has a higher rof?

[copper nexus]

Dunno

It's probably the same

[willow forge]

o aite

scarlet has the highest ar rof noe?

[copper nexus]

Modernia is MG

[willow forge]

or is it cause she only has 20?

[copper nexus]

Scarlet has same rof as other AR

[willow forge]

i know, am just asking cause there might be different rof for different char of same type

oh

aite den

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/892751467423891477.png?size=64

[copper nexus]

[willow forge]

den even w 8% atk per hit

its not much is it?

[copper nexus]

8% is good for MG

Though idk if it will be 8%

[willow forge]

yah sadly gotta test to know

[half grove]

thats.. a lot

[willow forge]

oh?

[half grove]

i'm already starting to do the numbers

[willow forge]

mg hits like 50 hits a second?

[willow forge]

o nice

[copper nexus]

I think the burst 1.22 just replaces base 0.76

[willow forge]

hm

can u do a comparison to scarlet?

[half grove]

yeah imma just try

[willow forge]

w same atk stat

[half grove]

i was gonna do that

i need to finish

it

yeah

[willow forge]

oh nice

[half grove]

i know

[willow forge]

aite den, hopefully i wont miss the result of ur research when u do

[willow pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013823581207150622/1049264758932643880/SPOILER_114514.mp4

time to start counting bullets

[half grove]

my brain hurts

[willow forge]

[half grove]

my head hurts so much

done

again in theory, there are alot of assumptions

@copper nexus

[willow forge]

uwoah thanc for dis

[half grove]

everything is literally "assuming"

[willow forge]

o btw is the screenwipe by scarlet counted?

[half grove]

its ST

shit i need to put that

[willow forge]

oh aite

[half grove]

there

[half grove]

the Burst dmg is counted but towards 1 enemy

[willow forge]

ah aite

[half grove]

the comparison between the 2 is, Single Target
Same Attack Stat, Same Skill level and i also used all parts of their kit

The Rate of Fire is still a Mystery for Modernia, since i don't have the full data so i can only put assumptions

[willow forge]

so theoretically theyre p close

[half grove]

BUT if the rate of fire is faster than i initially thought

then she can do more

hence the Calculation is like Approximate

[willow forge]

i see

looks p gud den

[half grove]

i think yeah this is good for now

also M1 M2 M3 means, Multiplier 1 2 3

it means the different multiplier present in the entire MG category

since we dunno her Base multiplier so i can only make assumptions there as well

and the difference between dps of the two isn't even fair

[willow forge]

y not fair?

[half grove]

scalet just have High RoF ( In AR Archetype ) with High Output of DMG basically

[willow forge]

ah so i was rite, id thought she has higher rof than other ar

auster said her rof is the same as other ar doe

but considering its true that her rof is higher, the same could apply to modernia

[sweet ocean]

Mord's bringing something else too
Remember how your Nikke's targeting is concentrated to whoever you're targeting?

[willow forge]

unless u ady counted damage instances per second from the vid

[sweet ocean]

inside FB

She's bringing an extra 5s of that. Can clutch

[half grove]

168 Modernia shots = Scarlet's 20 shot

[willow forge]

OH

thats y u mean its not fair?

[half grove]

basically 168 shots = 4.2s to clear

while scarlet just clear it at 2.0s

[copper nexus]

Nice calcs

[half grove]

then again modernia doesn't need to reload

[willow forge]

really need inf ammo supp

[half grove]

so scar goes to 4.3s

[willow forge]

bust scarlet to hell

[half grove]

[willow forge]

[half grove]

my brain hurt btw

[copper nexus]

Yeah, modernia will need to be hitting more than 1 enemy or boss parts with her burst to be compare with scarlet

[willow forge]

take a rest now akekw

[copper nexus]

For ST scarlet is too good

[sweet ocean]

we can already do that with admi/priv and reload cube

[willow forge]

no i mean literal inf ammo

i cant do it well w priv

dun hab admi doe

[sweet ocean]

100% reload = infinite ammo

in fact it's better in some cases kek

[still drift]

Datamines doomed and might get nuked soon.

[sweet ocean]

they probably are blaming us for ruining their xrupee sales

[copper nexus]

Oof what happened

[still drift]

Check Datamine

[willow forge]

lemme try it again later den

[sweet ocean]

yeah for some reason reload speed stacks additively in this game
so if you reach 100% you have no reload interruption at all

[half grove]

Scarlet with 100% reload in 10s FB Comparing with the other one

Lvl 10 Skills with Same attack stat as the one i used above

[sweet ocean]

that's what I had in mind, we won't have someone that can beat 100% reload scarlet anytime soon

[half grove]

XRupee Scarlet it is

[copper nexus]

Yeah xrupee looks good

[half grove]

need to check how reload speed scales with her tho

because lvl 10 burst is like 63%

[copper nexus]

Level 5 xrupee + level 5 privaty + cube hopefully enough

[sweet ocean]

we can already hit 100% with 40+40+ cube

[copper nexus]

Yeah

[half grove]

only if burst level bug gets fixed yes

[copper nexus]

[half grove]

[sweet ocean]

if it isn't fixed by 8th they literally have no excuses

[copper nexus]

Actually the most game breaking bug rn bro...

[half grove]

oh yeah for this one, if we compare Scarlet ( Without Burst, and S2 didn't Proc, Modernia IS actually Better by 47% BUT if Scarlet Burst and S2 did Proc then Scarlet is better ) Burst and S2 is what made Scarlet Better DMG dealer than Modernia [ Ofcourse thats with all the assumptions revolving around the kit of modernia and multipliers ]

But Mg has a better theoretical dps so dunno

[willow forge]

holy shi lmao

she counts as 2 units

[sweet ocean]

yep I'm rolling our wife

canon btw

[sweet ocean]

Can you do a calc on what if
Mord's Burst Mode can hit multiple boss parts? Let's make it 2 just to be realistic

[half grove]

[half grove]

the additional dmg?

[sweet ocean]

only the additional dmg. I assume if her normal shots gain AoE too then she'll blow Scarlet outta the water

[half grove]

ok

[half grove]

2 boss parts with the burst additional dmg

[sweet ocean]

thought so, minimal increase

pray for normal shots AoE

[half grove]

but, the additional dmg can be buffed by any atk boost buff

so yeah

actually wait

lemme fix something

i might have some wrong calcs with additional dmg

[sweet ocean]

My own note
The burst extension is actually pure damage gain if you don't have someone with reduced CD (since B1's cd is still 20s then)
You have 5s to fill, plenty of time for certain units

Even if most FB buffs run out after 10s, the extra 5s of FB is still a gain

[half grove]

yeah. the ATk buff on additional dmg is miniscule

[sweet ocean]

theoretically if like, if NA and even S1 get AoE in FB, those sheet numbers should double right?

[half grove]

yeah

also i did a assumption of the 1.22% additional dmg is that
once you enter burst, it will override 0.76%

if it doesn't the numbers would be higher

so yeah

and if it does AOE dmg on top it will be doubled

[sweet ocean]

eh? Isn't it logical to assume that they will stack?

single target wise anyway

[half grove]

tbh i don't want to try and assume that they stack because if i did that the numbers would be much much higher than i anticipated and will be hard to manage to evaluate her

if i were the devs i will do smth like they won't stack together as a theory

[sweet ocean]

good ol' always assuming the worst

[half grove]

yeah

assuming the best case scenario will hype up the character when in reality

so yeah

worst case scenario is what i like to assume

hence why i did assume like
additional dmg doesn't get boosted by Range and Weakness

[sweet ocean]

Mine's more realistic
And if it's real then she's preeeetty much a better lappy

well, inside burst anyway. I consider RL to be the best wep over all

[half grove]

well if my assumptions are mostly wrong
if Additional dmg gets boosted by range and weakness
if Additional dmg can do AOE
if Additional dmg ( S1 and burst ) stack together
if the RoF is higher than expected
if the multipliers are higher than expected
then there is a chance for her to be SS [ a chance ]

but thats without power deficit

[sweet ocean]

they're gonna rip power deficit out of crit, trust

[half grove]

[copper nexus]

Devs nerfed helm and lap before release so I best not to overhype

[half grove]

^

i expected the worst case scenario already

but if its even worst than i thought then

[copper nexus]

At least she’s pilgrim so there is some hope

I just want MG to be good

[half grove]

if she won't be nerf as of now, she is actually decently good with my assumptions going in the worst case scenario

[sweet ocean]

She's a new year banner too, they don't want to shoot themselves in the foot here

[copper nexus]

Yes

But I’m still pulling xrupee

[half grove]

also pulling her because it enables 4 burst stages in 1 rotation

[sweet ocean]

This is not new to ppl who follow the official news feed but
They confirmed Limited Banner units aren't going into the standard banner

save it for your Microbikini Helm lads

[dull zenith]

How does this datamine gag order hurt us here

[willow forge]

honestly am just here hoping for sir alex to gib me underworld queens role

[molten robin]

anything anyone needs tested still btw?

[dull zenith]

I need 10cent’s legal threat tested

[pearl parcel]

Will have to redo the changes to Research channel

I will try to open it as soon as possible

[sweet ocean]

https://www.prydwen.gg/blog/08-12-patch-notes-christmas-in-nikke
We're getting more than expected. Arena/PvP and Grave Digger Co-op.

[solid relic]

@still drift Should I post screenshots of missing stage info here or DM it to you for Nikke Data Tables?

[still drift]

You can DM it to me for now and I'll key it in a bit, but I've actually transferred ownership to Austerity.
I'm going to be taking a backseat on the data table in the future, since I probably wont be focusing all my efforts on it.

[willow pecan]

moving onto better, more worthy stuff

[pearl parcel]

I have a question...

Are you guys still interested in theorycrafing?

[still drift]

It's just the community for it is growing smaller, which is kinda sad.

[unborn glacier]

intersted yes, but getting harder to theorycraft

[pearl parcel]

I still wanted to open the channel for you and everything

[still drift]

I'm interested in it when I see interesting topics or new things are released, but for my Data Table, I've just transferred it to Auster since ||Staring at a JSON Table|| Google sheets for my entire free time wasnt too appealing.

[pearl parcel]

but the direction the game is taking...

[willow pecan]

I suggest continuing with minimal effort

do it if something catches your eye, for your own enjoyment

otherwise sleep

[still drift]

Again, I think the game is rather interesting and the research COULD be complex, but I have an itching feeling things are going to be more difficult from here on out, compounding upon less "math enjoyers" and "researchers" actually present in the game.

[dull zenith]

I'm interested in theorycrafting, but I can't without Elevated Access

[still drift]

For Blue Archive, I've seen top mathers and researchers migrate over from GranblueFantasy, Arknights, Genshin, and FGO, but I didnt see it for Nikke.

[still drift]

Elevated Access isnt required for that.

[dull zenith]

I know. It was a cheeky way to try to get Alex to re-instate it for me, a second time.

[molten robin]

I test something when I see it mentioned here once in a blue moon, but otherwise I wait lol

what gives elevated access? isn't it just chat xp?

how do you not have it?

[unborn glacier]

we can start with pulbishing/sorting out all the findings

then see how much attention and help we can get

[pearl parcel]

Will try to open it soon...

[unborn glacier]

no rush

ill be hyper busy until after december 19

[pearl parcel]

We need to fix stuffs here

[pearl parcel]

Good to know

you guys are a blessing

[unborn glacier]

honestly,
my humble opinion is
fix stuffs
create bot question channel
then research channel

[still drift]

Oh the guy got wiped

[molten robin]

?

[still drift]

Precisely

[molten robin]

while we have people here ill reiterate my question from earlier

anything still need testing?

[unborn glacier]

testing not yet, coding yes

[slow pulsar]

Im kinda wondering how damage sharing work with nikke like Yulha and Poli if you dont mind 🙏

[molten robin]

anything specific you want to know?

[slow pulsar]

1. Does damage sharing really affect Yulha first skill

2. Distribution of damage when shared between char

3. Distribution of damage when 2 nikke that can share damage simultaneously proc (Poli and Yulha skill) and does it affect Yulha skill 1

[molten robin]

I dont have poli so cant test 3, unless there's another nikke that does it I cant think of offhand

[unborn glacier]

Anis I think

Has damage sharing

[molten robin]

yep

ill be back

yes the damage she takes from damage share counts for her s1 proc

method: I controlled yulha with 1 other character in range and kept her behind cover whole time, she sometimes got hit anyways but rarely, but I still procced calm

19 hits taken

37 damage taken total, I procced calm a bit before I took the ss

the damage tracker only counts damage directly taken (1 per hit in range), and not indirect from sharing, but it does proc s1

also fun fact, the damage sharing damage must round up or be floored at 1 since I took 1 and not 0

not surprising

2 units with damage sharing on each other do not enter an infinite loop of sharing the shared damage

changing test methods for other stuff

[molten robin]

there's some weird stuff going on, trying to drill down on it

[meager elbow]

Does damage share ignore shield? have Folkwang shield on Yulha, then Yulha shares damage, then has shieldless take damage. And see if Yulha loses hp.

[molten robin]

ok my first test was a bit of an outlier, and I could have made a mistake in my timing, but followup tests indicate yulha's damage share is 50%

damage done is determined by the defense of the target of the damage, then is split (roughly) in half with yulha

so helm took 50% reduced damage for the duration

interesting that the observed floating damage numbers when controlling helm in my helm + yulha test are visibly reduced by half, while the damage taken meter in the esc menu shows unhalved damage

ill test anis + yulha now

[molten robin]

anis + yulha appears to reduce damage to helm by 2/3rds

let me test if anis' share is 50%

[slow pulsar]

So it really spread evenly hmm

[molten robin]

anis' reduction is only 33%, not 50%

gonna retest to to be sure

yep

conclusion: 1. yulha shares 50% damage, anis shares 33%
2. damage sharing effects are multi, so yulha + anis was 66.66% reduction
3. shared damage is not shared
4. shared damage DOES count as hits for yulha's s1 - logical to assume it counts for all "on-hit" skills

[molten robin]

dont have a shielder so cant test this

[molten robin]

@unborn glacier ^

[solid relic]

Oh, ok, I'll just send it to Austerity then. Thanks for all your work on it.

[molten robin]

poli needs to be tested to see if her share is 50% also

it could be an SR vs SSR difference, or each unit could have unique values

[slow pulsar]

Thank you so much for testing

Appreciated

So Yulha might be better paired with another share damage since everytime the damage is shared it proc her skill (something like maiden too)

Btw what does point 3 exactly mean

3.shared damage is not shared?

[meager elbow]

prolly means the shared damage doesn't keep sharing. thus create loop

[unborn glacier]

@slow pulsar will you be typing a guide or anything on this?

[slow pulsar]

No, I'm just a normal player, dont have a platform to write also....

[unborn glacier]

Okay, another summary for me to type once the research threads are fully up

[wintry ravine]

how much stats do you get for the +2 dupe along with the 20>30 bond levels anyways? What % increase are we talking?

[wintry ravine]

you guys see that none of the new characters are going into the regular mileage store?

It's not the worst thing for regular characters (though still not great) but for limited's it means you need to pull at least 3 copies to get max bond

some have mentioned the bond stats are w/e at high levels but I'm unsure

it would be good if we could get the stat difference between a level 200, no star, bond 10 character vs a level 200, 2 star, bond 30 character

as far as I can see there is no sheet displaying this data

[molten robin]

how much does max bond increase per lb?

[unborn glacier]

did someanswer you already?

[molten robin]

I just asked so no

[willow pecan]

5 per lb afaik

[wintry ravine]

nah it's 10

[molten robin]

if it's 10, then does the 4th star not increase bond for non-plgrims?

[willow pecan]

Hmm, then all nikkes max at 40? In retrospect 5 is definitely wrong

[wintry ravine]

1 dupe takes you from 10 max to 20, next one to 30 I believe

you only need 3 star for pilgrim to get to 40 max bond

[molten robin]

so you technically only need 2 dupes of limited non-pilgrims to max bond, not 3

[wintry ravine]

yes I believe so

I've not been able to test the 2 Star non pilgrim bond max

but I can 100% say 1 star is bond 20 max

others have shown pilgrim is 40max bond too

[molten robin]

guess the only question is whether they reduce the scaling to 5 per at 2 and 3 to make the cap at 3 stars

[wintry ravine]

yes it needs checked

it's possible, the game is weird

[unborn glacier]

its by 10

okay looks like the rest answered already

and yeah max is 40

[willow pecan]

For all or just pilgrims?

[unborn glacier]

all

[willow pecan]

Poggers

[unborn glacier]

ahh to be extra clear

All ssr

is max 40

[wintry ravine]

oh I had seen people say only pilgrims went to 40

[unborn glacier]

SR i "think" is max 30 cause you only lb twice

[molten robin]

non-pilgrim is definitely 30

there's screenshots floating around of mlb SSRs maxed at 30

[unborn glacier]

uhmm..

let me think if i want to test/prove it

[wintry ravine]

get out that wallet allen

[molten robin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/z0g8h5/pilgrims_max_bond_is_higher_than_nonpilgrim_nikkes/

this was the original post I saw on it

this guy's helm is max core even

[unborn glacier]

1. the uhhmm.. what must not be spoken about too much.. says 40
2. let me see if i can test without testing

[molten robin]

as always, I trust what's observed in-game more than the forbidden document, not that I have access to it lol

I've seen at least one other ss of it too, though I'd have to look for it

there's many whales out there that have max bond I'm sure

[unborn glacier]

okay

max is 30

[wintry ravine]

I'm assuming the limiteds will be 30 max too but may not be the case

[unborn glacier]

at lb 5

since we currently have to assume forbbiden dcument is inaccurate

ill have to assume that lb's impact on max bond might be wrong also

[wintry ravine]

are the stats gained for every bond level the same?

rank 26 bond stat gain on liter (a sup)

[unborn glacier]

same for the same class

its by class

[wintry ravine]

yeah figured it might be by class, so it's the same gains every bond level from 1 to 30/40?

[unborn glacier]

your referring to the increments?

[wintry ravine]

yes

I couldn't find any data on it

[unborn glacier]

30 - 31 is slightly higher

than the 20+ increments

31 -40
each level the increments shift between higher or lower

[wintry ravine]

oh I'm a dufus you can just see how much additional stats you've gained through bond in game

seems you gain around 1000atk on an attacker comparing bond 10 to bond 30

I've not actually got a bond 30 attacker, just estimating

level 200 attacker with no items is 25,544 attack

the two dupes also give stats but idk how many

idk how much attack a full kit of overloaded gear gives either

eh I guess the folks saying to pull just one copy are right, when gear is taken into account the stat differences are surely going to well under 10%, very likely a good bit under 5% even

the 2% per dupe you get for core breaks might even be worth more per copy than your very first two dupes even with bond factored in

[sweet ocean]

bond lvls matter that little?

[dull zenith]

How much do bond levels and lb levels matter again?

[wintry ravine]

until you reach high level they will mean more

in % terms

idk my advice and what I'll be following is just pull 1 copy of whatever you like

I don't think the extra stats can justify the currency when power creep is bound to exist

obv if you are a proper whale and want to compete in high, high pvp then disregard advice

doesn't seem like it's worth going for high, high pvp reward wise atm though

most whales don't care about the reward anyways

[willow pecan]

Probably another exclusive border from pvp

8th will be a salt mine

[copper nexus]

I’d like to invite @keen timber

[keen timber]

[copper nexus]

[wintry ravine]

damn that's a cute emote

[keen timber]

An emote worth right-click stealing if I say so myself

[wintry ravine]

I never considered doing that before 😐

[keen timber]

Hopefully pvp is an interesting twist in how people approach team building. I wish we had some sneak peaks of the system but I suppose we don't have to wait much longer.

[wintry ravine]

I've actually already being prioritizing characters that I figure will be good in pvp 😛 A bit premature probably since the system could work any which way but hell I figured why not lol

[keen timber]

Assuming burst cooldowns relatively line up, the Scarlet/Harran players are going to mald when Noah/Poli absorb aoe bursts lol.

[wintry ravine]

yeah noah has the potential to be the single best pvp nikke by a wide margin

poli actually only blocks 1 ally from an aoe attack though

[keen timber]

Oh is she still bugged? I just assumed it doesnt physically show the shields similar to Centi.

[wintry ravine]

personally I've never actually tested her tbh

[keen timber]

Ah okay. I know Centi doesn't put blue bars on your teammates HP either

But she definitely works

[wintry ravine]

I've never really tested centi either tbh, I just use her and hope she works as people say she does

probably unwise choices given how wrong most folks are about most things in this game

[keen timber]

fair enough. I only know because otherwise my units would be dead half the time due to oneshot lasers.

But yeah it'll be interesting to see how things shift around Noah and such. If stuff like pierce ignores cover Alice could also be super broken.

All speculative though

[wintry ravine]

privaty might be the singlest biggest gainer this patch for a few reasons

she should be really good in pvp because of the stun

but also her screenwipe is at a point currently where it doesn't completely clear but after the patch if they fix scaling bursts then she should be able to clear the screen

[keen timber]

Stuns cancel burst skills completely if done during the initial animation

[wintry ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[keen timber]

It also ends stuff like Laplace laser early

[keen timber]

Reverting her back to normal weapon

[wintry ravine]

she even gains more relative to other bursters who go from not screen wiping to screen wiping, as her passive will be much better since her burst should clear mobs and leave elites to be hit by her passive proc

all in all privaty set to have a great patch and she was already top tier

who else is really set for success

I guess like I said anyone who crosses that screenwipe threshold should feel much better

what other characters you fancy in pvp?

[keen timber]

Scarlets skill 2 retaliate against fast shooters could be dangerous.

Does it have a cd?

[wintry ravine]

don't think you mean scarlet

do you mean the crit damage goth looking girl?

[keen timber]

Scarlet skill 2

Unless I'm reading it backwards

Wording could be interpreted both ways and it could mean when attacking enemies instead

[wintry ravine]

I think it means when she attacks enemies

wording is bad there, let me check in game

[keen timber]

Yeah the wording is just a bit weird, not as OP if that's the case

[wintry ravine]

huh reads the same way in game

I always though it was just a % chance to do extra damage on auto attacks but mayeb I'm the one who has been reading it wrong all this time

[keen timber]

Should be easy to test

If you do 5k per hit you'll randomly see 25k procs

[wintry ravine]

yeah I'm gonna test it

it is a retaliate style skill

I've just always read it wrong

[keen timber]

Ah I see. I just assumed such since 30% proc at 137% would be broken as hell otherwise lmao

[wintry ravine]

that's half the reason I thought she did so much damage

[keen timber]

But yeah that skill can be scary in pvp if your team is heavy on ARs

[wintry ravine]

weird skill to have on a dps

yeah a machine gun could kill themselves attacking her

[keen timber]

But at the same time idk how effective shotguns will be in pvp

[wintry ravine]

watch pvp not even be vs other nikke

[keen timber]

I personally thought it wouldn't be

Since weapon ranges exist

[wintry ravine]

I suppose they could just make the distance rng

[keen timber]

Being called "arena" just muddies it a bit lol

[wintry ravine]

[keen timber]

Just seems weird since shotguns will either be garbage or OP depending on range

[wintry ravine]

easily fixed by making the distance random which you can't see before match start though

[copper nexus]

Yeah, there might be different maps tho

[keen timber]

But that leads to never risking a slot on shotguns

[copper nexus]

So there might be different meta for different maps

[wintry ravine]

yeah it resets every couple of weeks so they could also rotate a map every reset

[keen timber]

If they change the distance like once a week yeah that could work

[wintry ravine]

it's so gonna pain me if it turns out nothing like actual pvp

[keen timber]

But part of me doubts they put that much effort into it

[wintry ravine]

hopefully they release a video before the patch

[copper nexus]

Devs communicating?

[keen timber]

I just hope they fix burst skill levels this patch. Absolutely no excuse for not having it work after the update.

Well, no excuse outside of making whales spend more money to progress story with the missing damage.

[keen timber]

While testing Alice I just only now realized that the charge speed buff in Sim Room is multiplicative to other charge speed buffs lol

Delay between every 100% reload speed Alice shot is ~0.25 rounded up a bit, so going from 60% charge speed to 90% charge speed is about a 2.26 damage multiplier if you are reload capped

11 shots to 25 shots on average

Theoretically Alice should be able to reach 30-40 shots during burst (up from baseline of 11) by pushing past 90% charge speed but I can't raise it that high due to burst skill level bug atm

https://streamable.com/bvwroq

+76% charge speed + 15% decreased charge speed Alice with capped reload (0.29 second charge)

Since the 15% sim buff is multiplicative, it goes from 0.35 seconds to 0.29 seconds instead of 0.135 seconds if it was additional

Trying to see how hard Alice scales off her burst levels in reload buff teams, with Rupee coming out and such.

[molten robin]

76% charge speed?

is her burst not bugged, like every other burst?

[keen timber]

It includes buffs from Yuni, Maxwell and her own skill 1

I was trying to get as close to 90% as possible to simulate her skill level 10 buffs, but then I found out the charge decrease buff is multiplicative

[molten robin]

so the ones from units are additive, but the sim buff is multi?

[keen timber]

Yeah, sim buff multiplies into base charge speed first

So it would be 1.5 x .8995 (10.05 decreased charge speed), which brings it down to ~1.35 second charge speed

Then your 76% charge speed or whatever multiplies into the 1.35 seconds

I was confused with my results at first because I was assuming otherwise

[molten robin]

im surprised any of it is additive tbh

[keen timber]

Yeah I was just reading it wrong lol, the 'decreased' part should've been on the nose.

Or did you mean Yuni/Maxwell and such?

Which yeah all of it is additive

Thankfully

[molten robin]

that's what I meant yea

really surprised they let that be additive

[keen timber]

Yeah it's crazy strong in Alice's case, since it lets her remove charge speed.

Well, assuming they fix the skill levels lol.

[molten robin]

her attack buff also has abnormal scaling

[keen timber]

I noticed that, baseline 14% up to 55% or so.

[molten robin]

it goes from 14 to 55

that's very unusual

[keen timber]

She's missing WAY more damage than your average unit from burst skills being stuck at 1.

I'm going to keep an eye on her and probably raise her skill levels if they fix the bug tomorrow.

[molten robin]

most values in this game are like...10, increases to 15 LOL

[keen timber]

Yeah, 50% at most lol.

Alice basically goes 300% or maybe more, haven't calc'd her attack into the equations lmao.

[molten robin]

hmmm knowing charge speed is additive definitely improves my expectation of her build-around dps with burst bug fixed

she must have the best scaling in the game at some point, right?

[keen timber]

If not the best scaling (her out-of-burst damage probably isn't super impressive), she definitely scales the hardest during burst mode.

[molten robin]

well that's what I meant yea

[keen timber]

We've pretty much been testing her at 14% attack buff + 70% charge speed max lol.

She just kinda caught my eye when I was looking into reload calculations.

[tropic patio]

Result from 1st Community Tier List survey is out guys

[copper nexus]

What in the spaghetti lol

So are the buffs supposed to be multiplicative or additional or is the difference intentional? Very strange

[unborn glacier]

last test was just atk and crit i think, not speed?

[molten robin]

They're two different categories of buffs - charge speed buffs are additive, and charge time decrease is multi with charge speed buffs

[copper nexus]

Ahh I see

Is simu the only source of charge time decrease?

[molten robin]

I think so

[copper nexus]

interesting

[molten robin]

Being multi is bad though, so it's really good for Alice that the rest are additive

[keen timber]

Only source of decrease charge speed atm yeah. It's a decent buff if you have no charge speed buffs but quickly loses value if you do

[dull zenith]

Okay guys the fixed issues list is long and I have research requests

HOW GOOD/BAD IS CRIT NOW

[molten robin]

where's the list?

[dull zenith]

It's in the app. Not sure if it's online anywhere yet

[molten robin]

ah

[willow pecan]

just checked nikke-en, it's not there yet

jp or kr might have it

en always dumb slow

[molten robin]

tbf it's night for most of the en workers prob lol

[dull zenith]

They have to send it out for localization to en cuz they have 0 staff who knows english

[willow pecan]

could send it to singapore

it's noon, we'd have it settled in 30 mins

without mistakes

[unborn glacier]

i posted the list in image form

in the other chat

[molten robin]

where?

[molten robin]

ok so: crit is still bad lol

to be clear, the fundamental issue with crit across all modes is it scales poorly

the issue they fixed, specific to modes with power penalty, is the penalty was decreasing crit damage too

so crit will be much better when under power now

[unborn glacier]

short answer yes

that one is bug

the other crit issue is a balancing issue

they can fix that later

[dull zenith]

Sigh....

Okay I have a second research request! @copper nexus Is XRupee actually good or nah?

My read on her kit is nah

[molten robin]

I think she's gonna be crazy personally

[sweet ocean]

it's literally free taunts and reload speed

and those are always premium

[dull zenith]

Hmm

Did Noise get fixed?

[sweet ocean]

I know that burst's lvling is fixed at least

FUCK
They fixed buff refreshes, one stack buffs can't be extended now

[atomic gyro]

shit

Rupee got nerfed

[wintry ravine]

oh btw there must have been significant manufacturer ranking bug fixes, cause I shot up a few places on one ranking

[copper nexus]

xrupee healing doesn’t look too impressive rip

[sweet ocean]

Ok so I just read the bug fixes notes
I shit you not, literally all notable problems are fixed

you can think of it and it's fixed

[atomic gyro]

Only reason why I spent, before realizing there's a ton of performance issues now

[wintry ravine]

yeah they are absolutely cracked patch notes lol

[sweet ocean]

most peeps should have like a 20-30% dps boost when they clear with deficits now

[wintry ravine]

the performance issues could easily just be because of the server being overworked

[trail falcon]

Should I pump up my ludmilla with skill ups now that she's fixed

[copper nexus]

lud is tankier than xrupee but also still seems to die faster because she taunts more

[trail falcon]

I'm actually curious whether she's as good as prydwen claimed

[sweet ocean]

I don't wanna say it because I don't wanna jinx it
But minus pvp, this game's in a healthy state now

[willow pecan]

oh no

yousaid it

gg

jinxed

[atomic gyro]

fuck

[willow pecan]

tencent gonna introduce scarlet selectors in cash shop tomorrow

$50 ea

[dull zenith]

I just scanned through all the bugfixes and there was nothing obvious that suggested Noise is fixed

[trail falcon]

you know what they could do, add buffs to cosmetic costumes

bonus stats if you equip costumes

[dull zenith]

Her bug might be related to Charge?

[sweet ocean]

oh fuck they put in a retry button for event mat stages too

[unborn glacier]

sounds good, but players will go crazy

[dull zenith]

It doesn't even sound good to me, cuz I want to wear what looks good instead of choosing what to wear based on stats

[unborn glacier]

@trail falcon see others players reaction

[copper nexus]

what are you guys’ thoughts on xrupee so far?

[wintry ravine]

huh anne is in the nikkepedia so we can see her skills, seems unchanged from the leak upon a cursory glance. Her burst tooltip is a bit bugged though

[molten robin]

I think reload speed is a very strong buff, which will be seen more with liter not giving free reloads

[wintry ravine]

I don't have a spare slot in my syncro so I'm waitinf 4 hours until I use Xrupee

[molten robin]

and this is a lot more "free" than admi

[dull zenith]

I think she's mid. Her DEF buffs are mid. Her best is 7.9 burst cooldown and reload buff, but on the flip side she forces you into 2-1-2.

Other people think she's amazing because of reload buff. I think there's Admi, Privaty, etc. I think it depends on whether you evaluate characters for flexibility or for Scarlet.

I think her potential Ace card is that she allows you to do 4 bursts per Full Burst. I don't clearly understand the potential there right now.

No one has done any testing.

[wintry ravine]

Anne has like the best model in the game seriously check out her combat model

her wings constantly change color, her dress is see through, so many little details. Really well done

[dull zenith]

Since both banners expire on the 28th, I'm holding my gems and tickets in wait-and-see mode

[molten robin]

counterpoint: admi is less flexible because you cant use a different burst 2

[dull zenith]

Sure, different strengths and weaknesses. It's just not clear to me that XRupee is a must have. She definitely doesn't help with damage

relative to Admi I mean

[molten robin]

well sure she does, she offers a whole burst 2 worth of damage/buffs over admi

[dull zenith]

No she doesn't. She offers her burst, which does 0 damage

Oh

burst 2

misread

[molten robin]

dolla's burst is worth more than the buffs admi offers, certainly

[dull zenith]

Dolla's burst is also mid. It's her s2 that's great. I usually run her with another burst 2 to Dolla's left

Like Poli or something

[molten robin]

I mean it doesnt necessarily matter which you choose, any burst 2 is better than the buffs admi provides, which are very minor

setting reload speed aside

[dull zenith]

Hmm hmm true. Still gonna wait and see

Give us the data @molten robin

🙂

Did you pull XRupee yet

[molten robin]

I did

mlb

[dull zenith]

Jesus

[molten robin]

not core lol

[dull zenith]

Jesus

[molten robin]

I mean if you want anything specific tested, I can

though im actually playing counter side rn, something expires in 20m

[dull zenith]

That's another point to consider. 1-2-2 and 1-1-3 setups are, generally speaking, superior to 2-1-2

[molten robin]

significant loss of what? and what are the teams?

[dull zenith]

Go read #1049651485086060584

[copper nexus]

nobody’s done testing so far?

[molten robin]

I mean, what do you want tested? lol

[copper nexus]

what skill levels do you have rupee at?

[molten robin]

1-4-5

[copper nexus]

I’m curious if she can get any better in terms of tanking at higher skill level

oof

I also have her at 5

she seems to die pretty easily :(

and I think I prefer admi for reload speed rip

since admi lets me bring harran or alice in 1-1-3

[dull zenith]

Her Defender roll doesn't do her any favors for her damage-dependent self heals

[copper nexus]

the delay between xrupee and liter kinda feels bad

[dull zenith]

Does anyone know if Noise is still still bugged?

[copper nexus]

no noise sadly but I think she is

[dull zenith]

Okay I'm going to go test Noise brb

[copper nexus]

I tested ludmilla fix and she seems underwhelming as well

I can try ludmilla + healer

[dull zenith]

I think there needs to be a healer for a team with taunter

[copper nexus]

hmm

[dull zenith]

because the only self-sufficient taunter+healer is bugged Noise

[copper nexus]

then you lose liter slot

[dull zenith]

You'd run 2-1-2 with Noise and Liter

You can put Liter on the left and just manually do Noise's burst when you need heals

[copper nexus]

I meant for lud

[dull zenith]

Oh

Yeah that's bad

I hope Noise is still bugged and I hope she never gets fixed

[copper nexus]

does noise not die in higher chapters?

I thought she starts dying too

[dull zenith]

I'm on Ch 13 but yeah there has been some encounters where I had to manage her more carefully

She self heals with each fully charged shot

[copper nexus]

she starts dying from ch14 from what I hear

[dull zenith]

but she can be burst down, especially by those kamakazie raptures

They do a ton of damage

She's not immortal/unkillable

She's just head-and-shoulders the most durable taunt right now, if she's still bugged

[copper nexus]

@molten robin can you do durability test between xrupee/ludmilla/noise? I don’t have noise :(

[molten robin]

nor do I

[copper nexus]

rip

[atomic gyro]

I have noise, but no xrupee/ludmilla

;-;

[dull zenith]

Same

[wintry ravine]

I have all 3 but no syncro slots open atm

[dull zenith]

Julia has definitely gotten buffed this patch. Aside from crit no longer being a debuff when punching up, the magazine bug fix where it now no longer auto-fills after Privaty's 50% debuff expires means it takes a lot less time/effort for Julia to reach 5 stacks of Crescendo.

[molten robin]

also despite the difference in wording between xrupee/helm for healing, they appear to work the same

[dull zenith]

Basically Privaty's burst -> Julia to 4 stacks, so just need to down one mag clip to get to 5 stacks

[molten robin]

helm says "for 10s" xrupee says "over 10s"

[dull zenith]

I'm 80% sure Noise is still bugged.

Just used her for 4A-C Simulation

[vapid geode]

Yeah, look like Noise avoided the nerf hammer

[dull zenith]

I'm saving my pulls until tier lists gets updated.

[molten robin]

anyone noticing a significant difference in I-S? I'm getting smashed

heard a rumor that full burst aiming is bugged

ai laplace wasnt following his aim on special intercept modernia

[dull zenith]

They "improved" the aiming such that auto now aims at lowest HP. That might've created this bug where full burst manual aim is broken

[sweet ocean]

arena right now is basically sniping abandoned reroll accounts kek

[molten robin]

lol

[still drift]

[willow pecan]

I suspect aim assist was turned on for everyone

Once you turn that off full burst should be ok

[sweet ocean]

so after the bug fix Pepper's healing properly now

chart in hard ex 3

[vapid geode]

Pepper finally being as good

as she was in test

praise

[sweet ocean]

she's a friggin god for sure

[vapid geode]

Yeah, and I had so many people complain about our rating

for her

[sweet ocean]

I'm afraid I won't be able to drop her IF I ever get a Liter

[vapid geode]

I will prolly drop Rapunzel and use Pepper now lol

[atomic gyro]

Why not use both?

[sweet ocean]

mvp for Mord

[atomic gyro]

[whole fox]

pain

[plush gazelle]

these teams are no good cos scarlet will fucking kill herself

oh wait i’m like fucking 3 days late

LOL sorry

[dull zenith]

The problem with Pepper is that Liter exists

[still drift]

And Rapunzel

[still drift]

@copper nexus
Your pull Income Calc on your guide has some minor issues.
You're using Friendship Pulls as a 1:1 to Gem/Tix pulls when they have a 2% SSR Rate.

[copper nexus]

I added gem/tix pulls only fields to show that

[still drift]

Hmmm, I don't really like how it's summed on Total though. kinda misleading.

Almost implies "Total amount of pulls" which isn't the case since you've also just added the molds straight up.

[copper nexus]

the separate numbers are there

the calculator is inaccurate anyways, a lot of the numbers there rn are just assumed

like the dispatch income and event income

[still drift]

Eh, whatever then.

[vernal coral]

got xrupee and scarlet and dolla at the same time so now I'm torn...I've always used 2-1-2 but if I add Scarlet it messes with my entire setup and would also make me have to remove either Harran or Helm...

2-1-2 felt a lot better for punching up especially with Rapunzel, who I dropped for xrupee

[willow pecan]

scarlet is pretty much a 99% must bring at this point

now that harran has been fixed

helm can go out anytime

no need to hesitate

also why in research dungeon

[vernal coral]

Because it seems like you were discussing 1-1-3 against 2-1-2

and it's something I was wondering about if it's worth doing testing for in this scenario especially against a high power deficit

[willow pecan]

ah gotcha

[vernal coral]

might actually try dropping Harran instead since Scarlet has no sustain otherwise...wondering if there's any interest in the result of that?

[vernal coral]

XRupee also having some durability issues at times for me as well, need to test some more after work

[willow pecan]

unrelated but I think I found something stupid

xrupee liter yuni alice privaty

instant charge instant reload alice during her burst

and you can just spam uncharged shots during privaty burst

[vapid geode]

[vernal coral]

I'd been running somethint similar in interception s, but without Priv