Research Dungeon

[atomic gyro]

@restive idol so thoughts about it being recoil dampening and reduction on shotgun spread?

Oh shit, threads have no slow mode too

[eternal heath]

[restive idol]

if that's the case then SG could be broken when used in GD with any units that have stonks hit rate buff which makes miranda useful now too

[atomic gyro]

We just need to test this out

@pearl parcel ARE YOU A HAPPY BOI NOW?

[restive idol]

only if they buff this stupid buff

[atomic gyro]

I mean, we don't know how much a 5% increase is for "hit rate"...

[restive idol]

makes zero sense to give her that buff when it was not explained clearly what is hit rate and her kit being more focused on amping 1 dps

[pearl parcel]

Well you do your stuff

[atomic gyro]

Need to try doing test with just that buff and another dps

[eternal heath]

do we think hit rate also expands the effective range too?

[atomic gyro]

I don't think so? But since it's an encompassing term it could

[eternal heath]

not really sure how to test that though

[restive idol]

people who can test it are only lucky bastards or whale with stacked SSRs

[eternal heath]

cause there's too little hit rate buffs

[carmine tulip]

I've always heard it increased effective range tbh

[atomic gyro]

Test it out in the union firing range

The enemies there don't change their range

And are almost immortal

[unborn glacier]

Let me know results.. and ill add it to damage formula guide also lol

[eternal heath]

nono, testing it is possible but with how small the hit rate buffs are i assume a small +5% is still small, and wouldnt reach medium for example

[atomic gyro]

Question is

Is a range damage multipler and threshold or a scaling multiplier with distance from effective range?

[restive idol]

best testing ground for SG is GD and union to compare since GD whole battle is just close range but its so god damn hard to track numbers there along with GD dancing

[swift lion]

do you want me to add slowmode here

[atomic gyro]

If it's a scaling multiplier, then it could be easy to test

[atomic gyro]

anything daddy cussy wants

[swift lion]

[atomic gyro]

Anyway, gl with testing, I really should get back to work

[restive idol]

I can't test this i dont have units

[atomic gyro]

I don't either

[restive idol]

too pitiful

[atomic gyro]

Scarlet pitiful

[restive idol]

my simulation is so shit because no healers

[atomic gyro]

Scarlet Liter Dolla pitiful

[restive idol]

well, generally they're good and I rerolled for this acc so

but in terms of other cases its shit since it has no flexibility

[eternal heath]

who gives hit rate? miranda, drake

[atomic gyro]

can we grab some whale in here to help test

@leaden wren

[leaden wren]

I would help but I need sleep

[eternal heath]

[atomic gyro]

why sleep when you can test "Hit Rate" and be the first to unravel the mysteries of this buggy shit

[unborn glacier]

what the exact test criteria?

[leaden wren]

Isn't hit rate supposed to just he effective range? That's what cbt people said

[unborn glacier]

and not scarlet please

[eternal heath]

is there even a far unit inside the union test range?

this looks like close and mid range only

[unborn glacier]

there is Long range on the upper right

[leaden wren]

Like I heard it everytime from cbt that it's just effective range. I'll help test tmr I guess

[unborn glacier]

thats where i do my sniper/long range testing

[eternal heath]

oh the boss is far range

?

[unborn glacier]

sigh.. i guess ill pull up a hite rate cube and test my poli

[unborn glacier]

no, boss is mid

[restive idol]

hard to find a criteria but maybe just doing close range vs mid range vs long range but its also hard to track it since bullet spread may also go to nearby enemy in union which could affect numbers too

[unborn glacier]

im just slightly annoyed, why im doing the testing again

[restive idol]

the only place i could imagine it could be tested consistently is on GD if it makes your dps easier and destroy those god damned red circles with and without hit rate

[restive idol]

i mean we could drop this off and continue it later on or never go back to it

[eternal heath]

2.5% (cube)+ 8.62% (drake) + (whatever sugar's s3 hit rate is) 18%? still no change in shotgun effective range

hitting mid still did less dmg than close

[unborn glacier]

give me 5 - 10 mins.. im working on a theory on how to test it

[restive idol]

• miranda

[eternal heath]

i dont have miranda

[restive idol]

welp, can ignore her too ig since her base hit rate buff is just 3.smth%

[eternal heath]

wait a minute

simulation has a 30% hit rate buff doesnt it

testing it might be a giant ass pain though

[restive idol]

yeah, but good luck repeating simulation just to find that buff

plus you need to get a buff in unknown reward that aligns all shape in to 1 shape to increase their rank and multipliers

[eternal heath]

its 42.28% at max ssr

[restive idol]

is SSR better than the red one? was it epic?

[eternal heath]

arent epic buffs only locked to like 5* different buffs

[restive idol]

not really sure i just get it all the time since its good

[eternal heath]

reload, ammo capacity, chance to block damage, 1% dmg on empty mag, reflect damage

[unborn glacier]

very RNG, but average is sorta this or worst
(no hti rate buff)

with + 20% hit rate buff.

overall, its soo RNG, i can barely tell the difference

I will switch to SMG and test that one instead

[restive idol]

thanks for your sacrifice @unborn glacier

[eternal heath]

i doubt its effective range now, think its just spread

36% (simu buff)

• 8.6% (drake)
• 2.5% (cube)

combined these and its still falling off at mid range

unless i need to hit 50%+ hit rate

[restive idol]

yeah look at the white dots on 1st pic and 2nd pic the spread are more accurate in the 2nd pic

so if it makes the spread more accurate it could make GD interruption circle more comfortable to by pass

[eternal heath]

ok, yes

tested with sugar s3

it makes spread very tight

let me upload this

[restive idol]

question is if the more hit rate you get does it make the "spread more tight" which essentially could lead SG users having 100% hit rate hit like an AR but on a straight path with all those bullet spread compacted in one area so its more on precision and not on accuracy already

[eternal heath]

yes

even visually

[unborn glacier]

im too lazy to do the screenshot

[eternal heath]

while im uploading this let me just ss

[unborn glacier]

but i shot at mid range enemy full clip of liter

[eternal heath]

the yellow one is with sugar s3 hit rate buff on

[ocean radish]

Hows the findings

[unborn glacier]

without buff = 96kish damage
with +20% hit rate bonus = 100+k
i target a mid range target (so no range bonus difference)

[restive idol]

4k bonus dmg is a lot considering thats per bullet in those spread or was it total of the spreads?

[unborn glacier]

I "feel" that it reduce the RNG, cause i also see really wild spreads also in the SG testing with hit rate bonus.

[restive idol]

so hit rate also affected smg?

[eternal heath]

wait actually let me test a few more times

[unborn glacier]

total of 1 clip.. so its like maybe a few bullets missed

[eternal heath]

it should affect smg oso

[unborn glacier]

i only did 1 run to test

[restive idol]

how was it?

[unborn glacier]

ahh ignore my test

the cube adds attack

so damage will naturally go up 😂

[restive idol]

aight

[unborn glacier]

my "conclusion" is hit rate subjectively reduces the rng spread of the gun.
no way to 100% verify, since its kinda RNG as it is already 😂

[atomic gyro]

does the other cube that increases charge rate add the same attack?

Could replace with that to see if hit rate affect range or not

[eternal heath]

my tests lines up with this, but yeah the rng on shotguns are fucking me up cause sometimes with hit rate up im missing 2-3 times in a row

maybe if i can find a better map on simu

[unborn glacier]

i made video recordings to study it.. its just goes everywhere, with buff or not 😂

[eternal heath]

i can definitely say without the shotgun buff at most i see 1-2 pellets hit

but with buff it can go up to 3-4

but both can also just whiff again and again

[restive idol]

try it on GD target is so big and close that you'll barely miss every pellet

[unborn glacier]

yep, i even got 1 lucky all center spread with the no hit rate buff.. so its ughh..

[eternal heath]

how do i fight gd

done simulation 3 time already

[unborn glacier]

you can close the game

so you can redo it again

[eternal heath]

as in i cant even enter now

cause i've done all entries

[restive idol]

then we'll continue this next time time for break bois

[unborn glacier]

ahh.. shame.. should do GD before server reset hehe

and no im not testing GD.. that stage is too stressful XD

[eternal heath]

gd ill just screenshot the white spot hit pellets

[restive idol]

if I luck sack hit rate buffers i will test this on GD (which might not happen )

[eternal heath]

probably should use non atk buffers so i can test whether hit rate buffs dmg or not

i dont think so though

cant use drake to test either then since drake gives atk buff

will just solo sugar

[unborn glacier]

i think we can put to rest that hit rate affect damage directly

[eternal heath]

also ill be honest i dont notice the simulation hit rate buff

it might not be working

[unborn glacier]

i just get it for the buff chain bonus 😂

[restive idol]

let's conclude it that hit rate does buff your SG users but prolly about 5-10% added dmg

considering you use them on short to mid range stages

if long range then its just shit

[unborn glacier]

i think their shit at medium range 😂

unless its a huge boss and you cant miss

[eternal heath]

yeah wtf

i just removed my hit rate simulation buff and the spread seems the same

[restive idol]

welp i guess then just close range and its too fkin niche since only a handful gives hit rate buff and their multipliers are also shit

[eternal heath]

in the first place it doesnt make sense cause sugar's s3 buff should only be about 18% or whatever it is at level 1

and i notice a bigger difference using her s3 than i do with simulation 30%+ hit rate buff

god damnit

[restive idol]

also, lets take into consideration that game is full of hidden bugs so lets not try this further

[unborn glacier]

or it could be "bugged" like the range damage bonus lol

[eternal heath]

what i have learnt from this though

is sugar s3 is spicy good

once her aspd is fixed

jesus

[unborn glacier]

affects self only though

[eternal heath]

mm

[unborn glacier]

and burst 3

[eternal heath]

great self dps i would say

[unborn glacier]

too many girls fighting for that slot

[eternal heath]

at least within shotgun i guess

i dont have isabel

[unborn glacier]

ahh, then yeah.. can use sugar for GD XD

[restive idol]

you also need liter + dolla to make isabelle work

[eternal heath]

im mostly lacking pilgrims at this point

[unborn glacier]

you can make do with liter

only

[eternal heath]

and... yulha, i guess

[restive idol]

but won't that make it more rng to keep the uptime of her burst stacks?

[unborn glacier]

her burst stacks last 45 seconds

[eternal heath]

actually, does liter + volume stack?

[restive idol]

she's niche 5 seconds burst window for a 30 seconds cd rotation is not that good unless you can kill boss in that 5 seconds

[eternal heath]

not the burst, but the cooldown reduction triggers on full burst, not on using s3

[unborn glacier]

what?

[restive idol]

yeah, since cdr of volume is activated on full burst

[eternal heath]

the only thing is i have to count 30 seconds in my head yeah

[restive idol]

yulha's atk buff is only active for 5 seconds and hav e 30 seconds cooldown

and you don't have full control on its activation since it activates by itself so you also need to keep track of your multiple buff icons on your screen which is so little

[eternal heath]

does the cooldown for yulha buff start on buff or after it ends?

so is it cycling every 30s or 35s

[unborn glacier]

okay..

1. i dont run isabel on GD.. i run a non-meta team
2. i did test with isabel.. she can rotate fine
   with liter + anis + isabell + privy + whatever

[restive idol]

i think after

[eternal heath]

think thats because anis + privy not being shotgun means the gauge gain is slightly slower

[restive idol]

most likely latter

[unborn glacier]

no

[eternal heath]

in a full shotgun squad i think liter + dolla is needed because they gain gauge so fast

[unborn glacier]

see my research table

[eternal heath]

ah

[unborn glacier]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cZT2PR7nNSh_lAlVJHVCGlrGLmiBREcYnvK-RHROM2Q

Anis generates shit loads of burst

[carmine tulip]

Did we figure anything out about hit rate? Sorry too tired to read whole thread

[eternal heath]

oh wow

[restive idol]

i was referring to yulha not isabel

[eternal heath]

reduces spread, should not increase damage, does not affect effective range

*not 100%, but we assume this for now

[carmine tulip]

Does NOT affect effective range huh? Cool

I legit thought it did

[unborn glacier]

ahh.

[eternal heath]

testing is a bit harder too cause there's not much sources of hit rate, and apparently from what i just found out testing is that the simulation's 30-40% hit rate buff doesnt even fucking work so

[carmine tulip]

Lmao

[restive idol]

won't any RL generate the same? considering if you also fighting mob stages

[eternal heath]

im really surprised by anis generation wtf

[unborn glacier]

Anis generate above normal burst bar compared to other RL

i dunno why

[eternal heath]

how do you test this btw, i can contribute the other characters you're missing

[unborn glacier]

but the test results are consitent

[unborn glacier]

run on auto a few times

[eternal heath]

assuming this is with naked gear too so no hit rate cubes or anything

[unborn glacier]

in union shooting range

[eternal heath]

auto? ok

[unborn glacier]

there will be variations

but you should see whats the max/min average

my old test results didnt do that so wasnt able to do a min and max

[restive idol]

where did you test RL?

[carmine tulip]

Anis generates more burst? I'm interested in that if it turns out true

[eternal heath]

...should we bother testing the rare units too

[unborn glacier]

doesnt matter, stats and damage doesnt affect bar build up (at least from my testing)

[unborn glacier]

union shooting range, so all the testing has same control environment

[unborn glacier]

i think we can skip those lol

[restive idol]

i think you lead to the conclusion anis generate more burst than yuni because if you look at their max full charge yuni has 100% more than anis which also contributes to more seconds to charging per hit

[unborn glacier]

i have a timer to max charge

in the test results

[eternal heath]

guess ill do like 5 runs each?

[unborn glacier]

for whatever reason

Anis charges the bar faster

in seconds

[unborn glacier]

thats a good number

[restive idol]

yeah and i saw yuni charges .5 seconds longer than anis so in the long run thats a lot also in 2 shots thats 1 seconds difference in dps which affects burst charge if im not mistaken

[atomic gyro]

is big booba power

big booba big rockets

So just spread huh, interesting

[unborn glacier]

possibly, I didnt test yuni that hard.. since I was already kinda tired by then

[restive idol]

understandable

[carmine tulip]

Is anis burst 20 sec? Game doesnt wanna show me

[restive idol]

check pins in team building for burst cds

[unborn glacier]

I think she makes the player burst in 20 seconds.. but ohh well

[carmine tulip]

Ah ty

[atomic gyro]

bruh check the damned pins

[restive idol]

there's a photo of unit's burst cd there

[unborn glacier]

ohh he was asking serious quesiton 😂

[carmine tulip]

I dont live on discord so I dunno how it works. Actually pepega

[atomic gyro]

it's also in the pins in questioning center too

[restive idol]

also @unborn glacier if you want to further test rl you can try this method for charging up burst with rl and see which is faster to charge busrt

[eternal heath]

(test variance ~1 second because i have boomer reaction speed at pausing the game)

AR:
snow white
- tests: 53 48 42 47 49
- min: 48
- max: 53
- avg: 47.8

julia
- tests: 54 72 60 70 41
- min: 41
- max: 72
- avg: 59.4
- note: the 41 she almost exclusively hit the boss

mihara
- tests: 57 55 50 55 50
- min: 50
- max: 57
- avg: 53.4

iDoll sun
- tests: 50 55
- min: 50
- max: 55
- avg: 

SMG:
ludmilla
- tests: 47 57 58 58 51
- min: 47
- max: 58
- avg: 54.2

SG (shotgun):
sugar
- tests: 35 34 34 39 36
- min: 34
- max: 39
- avg: 35.6

neon
- tests: 37 30 34 36 36
- min: 30
- max: 37
- avg: 34.6
- note: on one of the 36 one she was almost exclusively hitting the closest target

ether
- tests: 59 53 53 52 58
- min: 52
- max: 59
- avg: 55

SR (sniper):
exia
- tests: 61 60 60 61 61
- min: 60
- max: 61
- avg: 60.6
- note: literally almost no variance lmao

RL:
centi
- tests: 20 18 24 26 24
- min: 18
- max: 26
- avg: 22.4

n102
- tests: 74 87 85 81 67
- min: 67
- max: 87
- avg: 78.8
- note: it was at this point I realised RL groups are separated by 350% and 250% charge, those with 250% charge burst faster...? sike, see below

mica
- tests: 46 65 52 52 63 (extra, 54)
- min: 46
- max: 65
- avg: 55.6
- note: thanks this unit broke my previous theory, this game just ass
- extra note: the 54 run was done with gear on, but still level 1, wasn't counted into the average, but it seems to be around the same result, so gear shouldn't affect charge rate

belorta
- tests: 71 75 70 72 64
- min: 64
- max: 75
- avg: 70.4

R UNITS

AR:
iDoll sun
- tests: 50 55 50 48 53
- min: 48
- max: 55
- avg: 51.2

soldier EG
- tests: 59 55 58 58 60
- min: 55
- max: 60
- avg: 58

SMG:
iDoll ocean
- tests: 62 64 65 62 67
- min: 62
- max: 67
- avg: 64

soldier OW
- tests: 63 56 75 56 64
- min: 56
- max: 75
- avg: 62.8

SG (shotgun):
product 23
- tests: 28 32 28 28 26
- min: 26
- max: 32
- avg: 28.4

soldier FA
- tests: 54 53 56 50 53
- min: 50
- max: 56
- avg: 53.2

SR (sniper):
product 08
- tests: 61 55 56 61 60
- min: 55
- max: 61
- avg: 58.6
- note: fuck this i keep adhd looking away and missing the burst timing, i'll record it later

snow white is slower than i thought faster, wtf

[restive idol]

@leaden wren

[unborn glacier]

you mean 0 charge build up?
sigh, let me whip out my anis and yuni then... so many tests today

[restive idol]

no need to test it, im just giving out some reference

i can do the testing tomorrow with belorta and anis im too tired and lazy to try it now its 2am already here

[unborn glacier]

the numbers look like normal AR spread

so ill put 45-60

[unborn glacier]

this timing not easy..

[restive idol]

I can try it out tomorrow and post the results here

I kinda have the muscle memory for that already because I've been doing that ever since i used belorta

[eternal heath]

also wait why is volume under AR, isnt she smg @unborn glacier

[unborn glacier]

okay test as many RL as you can 🙂
i dont have the reflex for it

[unborn glacier]

My mistake

ill move her

that probably explains why her bar build up is bad

smg tier build up

[eternal heath]

testing julia results and updating the message in real time atm, holy she's so slow

[unborn glacier]

even for an AR?

[restive idol]

anyways, im going to bed now its too late here will contribute more when i wake up

[eternal heath]

leaning more towards 65 average

[unborn glacier]

its only 12+ midnight where im from lol

[tall fern]

oh

is this a theorycrafting thread

[restive idol]

close to 3 am here

[atomic gyro]

By being in this thread

[restive idol]

kinda

[atomic gyro]

You are subject to start researching @tall fern

there is no escape

[unborn glacier]

okay that seems like close to AR numbers.. still slower though

[eternal heath]

ok sike i updated the above message, she still kind of lands between ar

because the last test was such an outlier

[atomic gyro]

No running away @tall fern

[unborn glacier]

ohh that is late, good night then 🙂

[tall fern]

[unborn glacier]

okay, ill assume same "normal" AR performance

[restive idol]

alex was indirectly warning us in #questioning-centre so @atomic gyro created this thread so we don't get bonked

[tall fern]

well have fun

[unborn glacier]

its not like there was another channel for this kind of talk

[atomic gyro]

how to permanently stick @tall fern into this thread so he can't unsub

[eternal heath]

it is too late, by joining this thread you have signed a contract to help us run tests

[restive idol]

true

[tall fern]

i was already one of those bozo who theorycrafted in genshin so i might come back here if i get bored

[unborn glacier]

you always welcome here then 🙂

and feel free to leave commens/suggestion/improvements for the damage formula

[eternal heath]

updated with mihara also maiden is shotgun, not smg, need to shift that also #1042458757843656774 message

lud done
sugar done
neon done
ether done
exia done
centi done
n102 done

[unborn glacier]

adjusting now

no wonder why maiden cd bar build is so fast

ill set mihara at 50-60, i think that longer reload time hurts her cd build up

ludmilla for a SMG, her numbers seem closer to an AR

[eternal heath]

yeah comparatively i was expecting a long time for ludmilla but it was quite fast

with relatively small variance

...no one tested neon? ok

[unborn glacier]

i think i light tested her and wasnt impressed 😂

ohh neon decent

there seems to be a fast and a slow group for SG

sr sniper (delta) or exia is the test?

lol

[eternal heath]

exia ah

i just wrote SR because thats what its called in game

short for sniper rifle i assume

[unborn glacier]

ahh okay

I thought you mean SR rarity

exia is so constitent lol

[eternal heath]

I think, RL also has 2 groups like shotgun

after seeing centi

[unborn glacier]

ohh.. wow, that make me wanna consider replacing Anis with centi.. ill need to read up centi's skills later

ohh wait, i now remember why i never used her

I dont have her 😂

[eternal heath]

i need to take a shit , dont have much unit else to test cept belorta and mica

[unborn glacier]

okay we can continue tom. i need to sleep soon also

appreciate the help and testing!

[eternal heath]

@unborn glacier mica and belorta done if you're still awake

mica disproved my 250% rl charge theory

shit fugged

nothing else to test alr, except R, maybe i will bother tomorrow kekw

goodnight

[tall fern]

what is this

[eternal heath]

time taken to charge burst

scroll slightly above that message allen has a spreadsheet

[tall fern]

this is with individual characters ?

[eternal heath]

some units take long to charge and some are fast fast

yes

[tall fern]

i see

the genshin ER requirement theorycrafting of this game

[unborn glacier]

good night, i semi updated the sheet

[leaden wren]

if this was full duration, Snow white definitely got an edge due to her passive skills. Its still way too slow though compared to a single launcher

[atomic gyro]

@leaden wren found out that blue crosshairs means effective range, GET TO TESTING BOIS

[leaden wren]

Credit to @light rain thanks for this amazing discovery

AR deals FKING LESS DMG when they are close this fking game im gonna morb and like MUCH further than close than you expect

[ocean radish]

GG

[leaden wren]

I just wanna say literally 3-4 units that spawns in front of you in Union is actually not in Effective Range of AR

they are "too close"

teh BOSS is where the affective range is omfg

This effectively makes AR one of the Worst Weapon in teh entire game in my opinon

because at effective range, you are completely inaccurate causing you to miss cores hit a lot of times,
And when you are close enough to accurately hit cores, you are actually dealing less dmg than you would (-30%) because its not within effective range

I cannot

oh my god my poor snow white

[ocean radish]

wait i just realized. if the AR is much further away than the supposed range. so in technicality SMG is still short range

[leaden wren]

yes, AR is much much further almost making it not viable as a weapon

[ocean radish]

SCARLET NERF THIS GAME IS DONE

[leaden wren]

this means at most Literal meaning of effective range, you are always dealing 30% less dmg because of the way effective range work in this game

[ocean radish]

NAH NAH NAH I DONT BELIEVE THIS

[atomic gyro]

SMG MASTER RACE

[eternal heath]

by the way im curious about how DoTs work in this game, for those with harran is the atk dot calculated when you apply it, or is ticks dmg calculated when it happens taking into consideration your atk

[ocean radish]

BUT I DONT SEE MY SCARLET HAVE THE BLUE CROSSHAIR AT ALL BECAUSE ITS EITHER IN THE MIDDLE (SUPPOSEDLY EFFECTIVE RANGE OF SMG) AND REALLY REALLY FAR ONES

yeah this is fked

[leaden wren]

comparison's sake

bottom pic is about mid range, its ACTUALLY too close for AR to deal effective ranged dmg

[pearl parcel]

You guys are really going places with these research

[leaden wren]

you need to hit the boss which is like the furthest away unit to dael effective rang

[eternal heath]

just means hit rate is even more valuable now i guess

[ocean radish]

were getting to see on where the devs left their brains at

[eternal heath]

since charge dmg% cube doesnt work on snow white ill use hit rate instead

[leaden wren]

more like a requirement, you literally CANNOT play AR without Hit rate, because your bullet spread would be too mmuch to hit cores

[ocean radish]

putting the hit rate cube on scarlet is a must it seems like

[eternal heath]

MIRANDA STOCKS UP???

[ocean radish]

this is dump

dumb

[eternal heath]

JP was onto something with miranda t0

hmm

[ocean radish]

they were ahead of the curve it seems like

[leaden wren]

BLUE CROSSHAIR IS EFFECTIVE RANGE CONFIRMED!

To summarize basic testings, specifically for AR:

1. In order for any weapon to deal optimal dmg, you need to hit enemies within Effective Range
2. ARs range is much further away then you think, however because of this, Weapon's innate inaccuracies causes you to miss core hits when hitting enemies at your OWN effective range.
3. When shortening the distance to deal corehit, ARs will always lose this effective range dmg buff. Causing you to trade for either Core hit, or effective range hit.

Couple this with the innately low dmg modifier on AR. you haev got one of the worst weapon in then entire game

[ocean radish]

either way AR is garbage

[leaden wren]

and its on snow white god please save me

[ocean radish]

SMG is the best weapon now 😭

[eternal heath]

[ocean radish]

Novel turns into one of the best DPS in the game

[atomic gyro]

Theoretically

[leaden wren]

not like SMGs is any better, because it also has one of the worst spread in the entire game, BUT at least it fking hits core in its own effective range

not to mention it also just has too low dmg modifier against stats reduction

[ocean radish]

why is the AR effective range so far away ugggh

[leaden wren]

you know what this actually means? it actually means that Sniper rifles, cannot ever deal effective range dmg

[ocean radish]

wait what how

[leaden wren]

the effective range for sniper is literally Too far

[ocean radish]

thats fucked

[atomic gyro]

B-b-but muh alice qq

[ocean radish]

HAHAHAH WITH THIS INFORMATION WE CAN AFFECT SO MUCH TIER LISTS

[leaden wren]

lemme do more tests

[eternal heath]

[ocean radish]

ill do some tests also after my simulation runs

[leaden wren]

Just so you fking know. NOT A SINGLE MOB in Shooting Range is within Effective range of snipers AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[atomic gyro]

WHAT LMAO

[ocean radish]

HAHAHAH WAIT THATS FUNNY AS HELL

[eternal heath]

im at office today so ill let you guys do the testing

[leaden wren]

why are we

playing this game agaign?

[ocean radish]

ass.

[leaden wren]

why must snow white be fking beaten down in every single possible situation

[ocean radish]

and for your case

snow white

[leaden wren]

bro. not only that snow white will never deal 30% effective ranged dmg, Snow white will also never deal core dmg + effective range

im literally sobbing in my office room

[eternal heath]

5x rocket launcher new meta

[leaden wren]

This must be one of the reason why Scarlet is just better than a lot of characters, she has much better hit accuracies than most AR units because she uses a damn sword

[ocean radish]

that would makes sense

[leaden wren]

on my sweet summer child

bro lemme outline what makes snow white shit

[ocean radish]

so ur claim that Scarlet Lb0 is better than some Lb0 C7 units should be correct

i mean in face value it would make sense

but with this in mind

[leaden wren]

1. AR, shit weapon, low modifier
2. Sniper, never effective range
3. Burst is fking bugged
4. She selfbuff crit 💀
5. Low firerate so cant trigger her own skill fast (and even if do so still low modifier)
6. 5 seconds charge time on sniper rifle
7. HER FKING AI WRESTLING AIM FROM YOU DURING S3 CHARGE

[eternal heath]

my biggest issue with snow white is her fucking ai wrestling aim from me during s3 charge

[ocean radish]

is it only snow white? because ive had some situations where im wrestling scarlet AI

wait no Belorta AI

she wants to shoot a Solo mob while im trying to shoot mobs

[leaden wren]

I might actually quit today

I cant take this

I feel like snow white will never be good

[atomic gyro]

REDD nooooooooooo

wait for the fixes

[ocean radish]

i dont think they will fix ranges at all

was CBT like this?

[atomic gyro]

ranges seem like a distance scaling bug

[ocean radish]

or did noone test anything about range effectiveness during CBT?

how are yall going to present this game breaking information

[leaden wren]

imagine this is real life

you see a fking AR

what do you do run to cover? no

just run close

[ocean radish]

HAHAHAHAH

[leaden wren]

it deals no dmg when you are point blank guys

https://tenor.com/view/god-father-kick-door-wwe-entrance-gif-10136675

[eternal heath]

this is the beginning of redd's villain arc

[leaden wren]

Bro I am distraught btw

I was living in complete denial and ignorance

[atomic gyro]

bro

it's been a week

let it cook in the oven and fix this shit

[leaden wren]

@light rain came up and slap me with the truth

[atomic gyro]

if I had to work and provide fixes within a few days I would die

[leaden wren]

fine la

I already said I would give them a month

you see how much I love this game Deli

if this was Valorant im fking gone in half a sec

[ocean radish]

HAHAH VALORANT IMAGINE SEEING SOMEONE IN A CLOSE CORNER AND YOU NEED 5 SHOTS TO THE HEAD BECAUSE ITS NOT EFFECTIVE RANGE

IM DONE 💀

[leaden wren]

I FKING KNOW

IMAGINE PHANTOM NEEDING TO DINK 3 TIMES BECAUSE ENEMIES ARE TOO CLOSE

💀

[ocean radish]

HAHAHAHAHAH

[leaden wren]

well anyways I need someone to write this shit up and post into reddit

[ocean radish]

IMAGINE USING THE OP AND YOU NEED 3 SHOTS BECAUSE THEYRE NOT AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP

[eternal heath]

oh right do any of you guys have pin power here

[ocean radish]

the valorant example should make sense for people who dont understand LOL

[eternal heath]

can you pin allen's burst spreadsheet

[atomic gyro]

which

linky

[eternal heath]

let me get the message link

#1042458757843656774 message

[leaden wren]

bro im like an old man seeing my grandson going to school 10 days ago and then suddenly he started doing drugs

💀

[eternal heath]

[eternal heath]

son cant see the whiteboard because its out of his vision effective range

[leaden wren]

💀

[ocean radish]

this is going to be a meme

[unborn glacier]

they are shit a building burst bar though

[leaden wren]

man if I can make a game like this and make $10m maybe I should

💀

[eternal heath]

its all in the art

[leaden wren]

yea just hire people to design units for oyu

[eternal heath]

im holding out for kr and jp backlash

kr forums are on fire as usual

[unborn glacier]

core hit bonus (100%) > range bonus (30%)

[leaden wren]

💀

[eternal heath]

[leaden wren]

this basically means that AR will NEVER stack range bonus on core hit

[unborn glacier]

what eactly you want written? i can add it in the damage formula

[eternal heath]

scroll up to 1 hour ago

and read through i guess

[leaden wren]

tbh i dont really know, I just know that in the way that this works its flawed. How can a weapon shooting in effective range deals way less dmg than not in effective range

thats just BAD design

since this means that effective range has no value apart from just bonus here and there

not to mention that enemies within union shooting range, even the furthest ones are too close for sniper rifles

which means snipers will also never get that effective range bonus in 99% of the missions they fight in

[unborn glacier]

yeah, but which of it you guys wasn added in?
AR specific stuff?
the blue for cross hair? (i assume this one is a yes)
what else?

[leaden wren]

1. Blue crosshair
2. Flawed design of AR
3. Useless effective range for sniper rifles
4. weaponry needs improvements in terms of spread to ensure effective use at effective range.
5. Enemies needs to reflect the REALISTIC effective range in gameplay: possibly reducing the range spread on the mob

[eternal heath]

does the blue crosshair change to white when a mob jumps out of eff range

[leaden wren]

yes

you can see it changing color

this confirms that when bosses moves, their effective range is changed as well

[eternal heath]

so sniper and ar stocks are down

[leaden wren]

@eternal heath you know the closest enemies in Shooting range?

its actually too close for SMG

[eternal heath]

[unborn glacier]

okay thanks, let me think how I can explain but TLDR, sections 2-5

[leaden wren]

i'll provide some SS sec

[unborn glacier]

try shot gun

some are too close that the crosshair cant reach it and generates bug in auto

bug = girl stands up and goes down endlessly

[leaden wren]

Drake on closest mob has blue crosshair

while Liter dont

[eternal heath]

does at least confirm that smgs are mid range than close

[unborn glacier]

well its expected for Liter, since smg is "medium" range

[leaden wren]

blue crosshair only on enemies at boss's range on AR

and as I stated. not a single mob in union shooting range is within effective range on sniper rifles

[unborn glacier]

okay my damage formula pin has Only 79 characters left as space lol

[atomic gyro]

How about

[unborn glacier]

Ill type here the draft, once everyone agrees with it. Ill post it in questioning

[atomic gyro]

We theorize here

And make a new thread only for findings

[unborn glacier]

any works for me

[atomic gyro]

So you have plenty of space for finished theories

and I think wider screen space compared to shitty pins

[leaden wren]

ah yea thats good so all the findings dont et lost in chat

[unborn glacier]

Analysis Summary #1

1. Range Damage Bonus + Bullet damage Spread makes certain weapons not perform ideally in their "effective" range
   a. AR -
   Effective Ranged Damage Bonus is Medium to Long, but cause of bullet spread, core hits are generated less often. This makes AR's generate sub-optimal damage situations.

2. Long Range Effective Damage bonus is so far that SR cant get their range damage bonus

3. High spread weapons need hit rate, to increase reliability to hit core, which gives 100% damage bonus

4. Without the Blue crosshair, its not that easy to determine what range an enemy is, hopefully devs, improve on this.

Credit to REDD

@leaden wren Sniper rifles damage bonus should be both medium and Long.. in your testing did the sniper rifle not get blue crosshaird at medium range?

[leaden wren]

not at all

not even on bosss

so the boss in union range is not even considered at the beginning of effective range

[unborn glacier]

aside from blue crosshair

[leaden wren]

I would take SS for you to show that its not but I cant since im on phone

[unborn glacier]

the actual damage, did it change?

[leaden wren]

sec

[unborn glacier]

cause tw testing says it didnt change

[leaden wren]

it didnt

yea

same dmg throughout

[unborn glacier]

so blue bar

not 100% accurate either

[leaden wren]

no no

there is no blue bar

there is no mob

[unborn glacier]

blue corsshair i meant

[leaden wren]

that is in effective range

yea

there is no mob within effective range

of sniper rifle

[unborn glacier]

shoot near/short range

[leaden wren]

so its normal that it deasl the same dmg

[unborn glacier]

you do less damage

[leaden wren]

same exact dmg

40495

sec I really wanna try screen shotting

dmg for you

[unborn glacier]

ill test now

[leaden wren]

but I cant cuz phone

but yea its exactly the same dmg on every single mob in this entire screen

because every mob is not within effective range

[atomic gyro]

So it's not a scaling thing, but rather an effective range threshold

Either you do +30% damage or no

[leaden wren]

yea the effective range is waaaaaaaaaaay too far however

its not applicable for literally any weapon

for sniper its too far to have uses

[unborn glacier]

yep yep

@leaden wren okay verified on my end

[leaden wren]

for assault rifle its too far to not deal dmg on core

[unborn glacier]

whole union shooting range.. same damage

[leaden wren]

ok good

[eternal heath]

initially i thought eff range was an "up to" point, rather than an "only"

[unborn glacier]

i know have to update damage formula again T_T

[leaden wren]

this is ruining so many things for me

[ocean radish]

so ur telling me they basically ruined every aspect of the game because they didnt know how to balance stages?

[atomic gyro]

na it sounds more like

[leaden wren]

This means that in 99% of the missions that you do Snipers will never deal effective range

[atomic gyro]

an intern fucked up the numbers

hard

[ocean radish]

they nerfed so much already like effective range, combat power, burst being bugged

[atomic gyro]

ran all the shit through a random number generator

[ocean radish]

all of those shit affect progress

[ocean radish]

dw guys theyre hiring

[atomic gyro]

pls i dun wanna end my career

[unborn glacier]

more like, some intern fucked up the effective range damage files lol

but dont over ove think this bit

its a 30% damage bonus

[ocean radish]

how do they fuck it up this bad they already have CBT

lhfgljkfhfjlksfhdsz

[unborn glacier]

they probably didnt notice it

[eternal heath]

the good news is today is gstar convention and shiftup are appearing there

we need to channel our inner protest trucks to korean bros

[ocean radish]

and they dont talk about nikke

[leaden wren]

Someone better be there to throw fking tomatos

[unborn glacier]

@leaden wren this good for posting?

[leaden wren]

that looks fine, you probably could redirect them to our discord too if someone wants to contribute

[unborn glacier]

wait i post on reddit? omg.. i hate that platform

[leaden wren]

meh its fine you dont need to, I was just thinkign thats how we would get awareness to other countries like CN/TW/KR too

but im sure they already figured this out

[unborn glacier]

ill take the poison

and post it.

i just wish i could turn off comments

[eternal heath]

inb4 deleted by mods for misinformation

[leaden wren]

thanks @unborn glacier

[unborn glacier]

there are 2 nikke reddits

the smaller one needs permission to post

the bigger one (like 3k only) needs no permission so i posted there

[eternal heath]

wait, theres another one?

isnt it just nikkemobile

[ocean radish]

can you send the thread?

[unborn glacier]

Damage Formula:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/yxepu5/damage_formula/

Analysis:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/yxergg/analysis_based_on_damage_formula_testing_1/

[ocean radish]

ty

[unborn glacier]

"Yesterday, a new bug that applied all burst 3 skills as level 1 despite the actual skill level was found. "

I saw this in random reddit post

if anyon is able to verify, would be great... that would mean that aside from power rating... no point upgrading burst 3 skills

[leaden wren]

This is actually a known bug yea, every single burst no matter how much you upgrade it stays at level one

Try buffing with liter and see your buff in pause menu, it doesn't apply the current level but level 1

[unborn glacier]

ohh its new to me T_T

[leaden wren]

My snow whites burst is level 6

But it deals the same amount of dmg as level 4

Which means it deals thr same amount of dmg as level 1

[real marlin]

Oh dis

Effective range 🤯

[unborn glacier]

guess, ill level up burst skills as power upgrades, instead of usefulness for now lol

[restive idol]

what did i miss?

just woke up

[unborn glacier]

we have a new thread called research finding to summarize and store what we have learned XD

[restive idol]

oh btw how do i test the thing for RL

I'll try comparing burst charge with RLs I have with the ammo spam that i do so much

[unborn glacier]

Testing methodology:

Go to union shooting range

set 1 girl only in middle slot

run the battle 3-5 times on auto targeting and no auto burst

also, observe that each run is not doing attacks abnormally (like a shotgun user hitting far away enemies) or been hitting the boss non-stop.

send me the time in seconds for each run and any special observations that might have had.

[eternal heath]

he cant auto tho if hes manually doing rl charge

[unborn glacier]

ignore the auto bit if doing RL chain shot

shouldnt be too big a deal as RL doesnt have range damage bonus

[restive idol]

if that's the case didn't @eternal heath already did the testing for that?

[unborn glacier]

he tested without chain shot i believe

[restive idol]

if we can't do it on manual then I can't do the thing i do because that's purely manual

i only use the aim assists to reduce the time i have to aim

[unborn glacier]

its okay

do the chain shot, which ever way you need to

[restive idol]

aight

btw do i need to reset the characters level for this or is it fine even they are leveled?

[unborn glacier]

its fine

level/stats dont do anything

i didnt test burst bar

so that chain rocket might have impact or not

[ocean radish]

what is chain shot

[unborn glacier]

@ocean radish this

[restive idol]

AMMO SPAM:

Belorta:

• approx. 40 seconds to gain full burst doing ammo spam and alone assuming you won't mess up the spam
  - 1st run: 40 sec; 2nd run: 42 sec; 3rd run: 38 sec
  - could go faster or slower depending on the number of enemies hit from aoe explosion
• Damage: Charge goes from 120-140% which affects damage from 4222-4987 (without crit/core hit)

FULL CHARGE:
Belorta:

• approx. 78.3 seconds to fully generate a burst bar alone
  • 1st run: by the end of fight almost complete; 2nd run: 67 seconds; 3rd run: 78 seconds
• Damage: 12064 all across ranges

NOTES:

• It seems that ammo spamming and doing full charge generates the same burst bar which makes ammo spamming ideal if you want to generate more burst bar quickly

@unborn glacier

[leaden wren]

great info

[unborn glacier]

can you do this on Anis?

[restive idol]

will do now

[ocean radish]

oh spam shot

[restive idol]

OMFG ANIS DOES SO MUCH BURST REGEN

from first try with ammo spam just 14 sec burst bar is full

[molten robin]

is she hitting more than one target in the range?

[restive idol]

she's hitting 1 or 2 at a time

but she and belorta were tested in same environment

[unborn glacier]

I told you ANIS the Best XD

and i dont know why lol

i got some test result for harran

she also has crazy burst bar build up

[restive idol]

AMMO SPAM:

Anis:

• approx. 16.3 sec to fully generate burst alone
  • 1st run: 14 sec; 2nd run: 15 sec; 3rd run: 20 sec
  • Notes:
    • it seems that anis regenerate more burst bar than belorta
    • it can be due to her having a unique reload mechanic of being able to stop her reload after reloading 2 bullets (but with my testing i stopped reloading with 4 bullets)

[unborn glacier]

Harran
Charge time: 1 second (average), 250% charge
Reload time: 2.3 (average)

Burst reload times: 23.1408 (average)
run1: 22.728
run2: 23.365
run3: 14.689 (Invalid due to pierce hitting 2 enemies at the same time + DoT)
run4: 26.809
run5: 18.801
run6: 24.001

Note: DoT damage counts for burst bar. Pierce counts per enemy hit and separate DoT ticks count as separate hits as well. Harran is very broken

Edit: 2 reloads each run before the bar is full.

[eternal heath]

no point having so fast gen though since we cant reduce cd fast enough

[unborn glacier]

seems that Anis, benefits slightly less for chain rockets, but thats probabl cause she charges so fast already

[unborn glacier]

we can

liter + dolla

hell liter + volume + dolla

if you wanna go crazy

[restive idol]

i think also because her weapon is more like a grenade launcher than a rocket launcher

[eternal heath]

then we run into the issue of full burst time though

[restive idol]

i mean look at its barrel design its seems a grenade launcher

[molten robin]

volume reduces it to 5s like isabel

oops not volume

who was it?

[eternal heath]

mihara.

[unborn glacier]

lol, that probably true. that would explain things quite a bit

[unborn glacier]

isabelle

shorter full burst time

[eternal heath]

yeah but if you run liter dolla vol isabel and mihara then theres no space for a fast burst generator

[unborn glacier]

will probably be

[molten robin]

dont need mihara

[unborn glacier]

something like

liter - dolla - anis - harran
and something

[eternal heath]

makes me wonder if spamming burst and cds are worth taking over other comps

[unborn glacier]

probably burst bar builds up in 8 or 9 seconds

[eternal heath]

i managed to build burst in 5s in union ytd

from entry

with a full team

[unborn glacier]

lol, who did you use?

[eternal heath]

centi anis drake sugar and someone else i forgot

basically everyone low cd

[unborn glacier]

centi and anis lol

[restive idol]

double rl goes stonks on burst charge

[leaden wren]

HOLY shit my snowwhite deals 1m core crit + 1.1m core crit when used double shot bug

im easily missing 2000% on each shot

Thats fking insane

[restive idol]

what double shot bug?

[eternal heath]

with the max ammo bug you can make snow white bust multiple times

[restive idol]

yet again i woke up to discover a new bug

[eternal heath]

i was testing it to see if i could go infinite with yuni but couldnt do it

[leaden wren]

this is JUST from her burst

that is insane

[light rain]

when people are testing burst building, are they checking the damage chart to see if it's the same damage value for when the burst is ready?

[unborn glacier]

what double shot bug?

[leaden wren]

it is the same dmg through out

[molten robin]

the fuck

[leaden wren]

my snowwhite with burst level 6 deals the same dmg as level 1

if you pair snow white with liter

you can charge up to only 700% and sshoot your first shot, continue holding

it will continue to charge up the second shot

I believe I shared this before

[eternal heath]

wait then you could at the very least turn this into a triple shot

[light rain]

same damage through meaning you fill the burst bar at x damage caused?

[eternal heath]

with privaty

[restive idol]

wait, is this on normal ammo or burst of snowy?

[leaden wren]

I misunderstood your quesiton

sorry let someone else answer

[unborn glacier]

what exactly did you mean by this question?

[leaden wren]

you cant do it with yuni if thats what you mean

[light rain]

I was looking at the chart for burst bar build-up and I originally thought it was damage based, but I was just seeing time values on the chart

is it actually hit based or something?

[leaden wren]

its definitely amount of hit based, yes

my harran builds the same gauge amount against 15k deficit

[unborn glacier]

yes, its hit based, not damage based

[leaden wren]

and no deficit

[light rain]

ok cool

[molten robin]

yea damage never made sense, or we'd just keep getting faster as we progress

[leaden wren]

faster? more like slower with the deficit

[light rain]

I thought it could scaled based on mission or something but hit based sounds better

[unborn glacier]

to be clear though, we focused on how fast the girls can fill the bar, and not the individual bullets

[light rain]

yeah

[eternal heath]

ok nvm triple shot isnt possible, after 2nd shot theres no anim so it goes straight back to rifle

[molten robin]

is it related to being after the 2nd shot, or is it just being out of full burst by then? can you reduce your charge time to fit a third?

[eternal heath]

think its cause its the 2nd shot

[unborn glacier]

@leaden wren @eternal heath
type me a summary later for snow white
then ill polish it for research findings posting

[eternal heath]

the reason a second shot is possible is because when an ammo capacity buff runs out you are refilled to max ammo

so during snow white s3 burst, if a max ammo buff runs out within the time of you shooting and before she swaps to assault rifle, 1 ammo is credited back to her s3 burst so she can burst again. but because the animation for swapping from s3 to assault rifle played already earlier she instantly swaps back and so i dont think the third shot is possible

[unborn glacier]

applicable to other simillair girls?

also, not identical, does it work on charge burst characters like maxwell?

[eternal heath]

yes, its also a known bug

iirc thats what ppl said about yuni and scarlet infinite ammo

[unborn glacier]

worth putting in research finding then?

[eternal heath]

you pop yuni full charge manually every 5s so her buff will run out and refill ammo

[unborn glacier]

I dot want us to look like idiots

[eternal heath]

uhh, up to you, id say its relatively well known so no point

[unborn glacier]

posting known bugs 😂

[eternal heath]

ya

[unborn glacier]

okay no point then hehe

[leaden wren]

thats not it

you can actively recreate this bug

without a single ammo capacity buff at all

this bug has to do with Snow white changing weapon during liter's ground glowing animation for sure

because if you shoot her burst while liter's buff is about to disappear, only then will it allows you to shoot twice

[unborn glacier]

liter has same ammo manipulating mechanic

[molten robin]

that's how the ammo bug woks, yea

[unborn glacier]

people just for forget to mention it

[eternal heath]

i realised we didnt post our hit rate findings into the research findings thread, can someone do that

[leaden wren]

oh actually you're right

[molten robin]

when an ammo capacity change expires, it reset your ammo to max

[leaden wren]

for some reason I just thought liter doesnst give ammo

[unborn glacier]

exactly which one?
i though i covered it all

[leaden wren]

so the timings of 700% is basically the timings of when ammo buff expires

[eternal heath]

oh did we? just the one where it doesnt affect effective range and seems to only reduce rng on spread

[restive idol]

@atomic gyro you started this because of hit rate so do the honors

[eternal heath]

[unborn glacier]

analysis summary #1 in research findings.. did i miss any?

[eternal heath]

oh it is there

i missed it, thanks

[unborn glacier]

@trail falcon post here, your results once done 🙂

I need to do work so cant watch your whole steadm T_T

[leaden wren]

@trail falcon do you still have low fps emu opened?

Wait nvm I forgot that it's applicable in campaign

[trail falcon]

success.
Try to adjust your power settings to lower performance.
If you have multiple processors, change your processors to 1.
Set priority of emulator to low.
Try to overload your system so you lag.
Phase 1/2 hold down esc key when the red circle is 1/4 remaining.
Last phase, hod down esc key when red circle is 1/2 remanining

This isn't the only way to do it but this worked for me

[leaden wren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NikkeMobile/comments/yxbyld/accidently_found_another_bug_instantly_kill/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

@trail falcon

[restive idol]

now i can stop malding simulation

[leaden wren]

I cannot believe this is a game

[restive idol]

more reasons for you to hold on your swiping

[leaden wren]

Already am

The only reason why I'm still here is snow whitr

One and only

[restive idol]

as for me, i just like talking in discord as well as discovering new bugs everyday

at this point im just playing for the lols of the game

[trail falcon]

lol wtf

[restive idol]

its so messed up that almost everyday you get to discover a new bug

[leaden wren]

OPEN BETA TESTING

[trail falcon]

there must be some specific condition

do you have drake ? I don't have her

[leaden wren]

It might be specific to Sims?

[eternal heath]

could be fps lag again?

[trail falcon]

oh yea, something happened to my friend where the first hard EX stage, the train self exploded and drove away and he won

he didn't use any of the characters the reddit guy was using though

what happened was the boss was slamming towards him in the 2nd phase and then he lagged for a moment and then it drove away

I heard if you lag when the train comes into the screen there is a chance it will just drive away as well

[vocal vale]

is low fps still needed

[trail falcon]

depends on your spec, for me I needed it to be 60 fps because 60 fps made me lag more, I couldn't handle it

[vocal vale]

I mean 10fps dps will be lower but hey

[restive idol]

@plush gazelle

[plush gazelle]

what so you just lag the game super hard?

time to put all my settings to max

then what do i do? pause the game,

[shell knoll]

open 10 instance of premiere?

[restive idol]

^^

[plush gazelle]

i’m playing on phone tho

[restive idol]

then try to open as many apps you can lol might lag you too

[plush gazelle]

nah it won’t

but i lah when all settings at max

so i’ll try that

[restive idol]

then try changing its performance to low

[plush gazelle]

so after lagging is there anything i need to do?

[plush gazelle]

don’t think u can do that on phone can u?

[restive idol]

you can in battery optimization

[shell knoll]

will this get noticed by the devs if I used it for EX stages

[vocal vale]

first red circle or 2nd?

[plush gazelle]

mans using an iphone

set to low power mode?

[restive idol]

oh dang no landscape mode even

idk now im an avid android user never liked iphone

[plush gazelle]

i like it. only issue is no customisation but i’d be too lazy to do it anyway so it doesn’t matter.

[trail falcon]

I don't get what you're asking, phase 1 has two red circles, when they have 1/4 of the time remaining start holding down esc. For phase 2 it has 3 and you start at 1/4 remaining as well. Phase 3 is 1/2 time remaining on the red circles.

[restive idol]

iphone monetization of iphone exlcusive products is too insane and every product of iphone is as brittle as a glass

[plush gazelle]

don’t matter to me i don’t buy them

[vocal vale]

two red circles
but also 2 stages of red circles

[plush gazelle]

only real issue is that the charging cables are expensive i guess

[restive idol]

and that shit breaks so easily but either way we're getting derailed from this thread's point

[trail falcon]

try not to hit the red circles if you can, look at the time remaining of the red circles, you want to wait until the 2nd stage of red circle, but for stage 3 the first red circle you have to start pressing esc because there's no 2nd stage if you don't clear it

[ebon pulsar]

wdym u just hold down esc key on keyboard ? or do u spam it ?

[trail falcon]

if you hold down esc, its basically spamming it

[ebon pulsar]

ok so u just press it once I asume

[unborn glacier]

He said hold down

[restive idol]

just hold it if it spams esc key because if you only press it once it will exit you out of full screen mode before opening the pause button in game

[ebon pulsar]

I am not in full screen so it just opens up menu by pressing it once

what I am basically wondering if the key is to just open menu once or u need to spam open it up and close for period of time

[trail falcon]

you want that screen to pop up and close several times

[ebon pulsar]

it needs to do that until X and red circles are gone ?

I will test it on alt after reset. When I tried it I just used burst at points when u say to hold esc

[vocal vale]

yes same

[ebon pulsar]

that usually worked apart from 3rd one which one was hard

[vocal vale]

yes
also because 2nd to 3rd is a long way and my damage is not enough without burst but if I use it I might risk it moving

[ebon pulsar]

also you don't need to do all those things to stress your cpu if you open multi instance you have optimization and can limit your multi instance performance

[vocal vale]

just limit fps

[ebon pulsar]

yes basically

[unborn glacier]

@trail falcon @leaden wren @eternal heath
Shall we test some builds in coop after we exhausted the reward runs?

Ohh wait

Are you guys in sea server

[leaden wren]

can we enter after rewards runs?

[unborn glacier]

Or where lol

[leaden wren]

I am at least

[unborn glacier]

Great we can tes Lt together

[real marlin]

why dont you join our union

[unborn glacier]

Someone said you can run again for ranking only

After 3rd

[unborn glacier]

What union? And is it south east Asia lol

[real marlin]

@leaden wren

we in SEA

[trail falcon]

I'm in KR server

No one plays in this barren server

[real marlin]

waa this whole time i thought you were sea

[trail falcon]

I thought KR game so KR server, but I was wrong

[eternal heath]

im in sea too yes, though im going to site tomorrow so wont be home to play until later in night

[leaden wren]

Literally questioning center squad assemble

we have space I've been meaning to kick people

[real marlin]

[unborn glacier]

What is union name? And is there cooldown switching?

[trail falcon]

CD is either none or 5 mins max

[unborn glacier]

Thanks

@eternal heath if your moving to redd's union, then I'll move also

[eternal heath]

ill feel bad abandoning my friend so ill check with him first

[leaden wren]

Atheria

[eternal heath]

unless said union somehow has space for 1 more then ill see if he wants to hop

[leaden wren]

just take him with you

lol

[eternal heath]

[restive idol]

you gotta add one us first tho @unborn glacier union list is also bugged

[eternal heath]

i think with union id its ok

cant give name

[restive idol]

you can only apply on specfic unions in search by adding ppl who are part of the union then opening their profile to be directed at their union page in game

[leaden wren]

im not in game rn still working

someone has to do it

[unborn glacier]

Lol, are you also in redd unions already or not yet?

[ocean radish]

the questioning centre gen chat group

[restive idol]

already there

[unborn glacier]

Send me an id

@restive idol @leaden wren

So I can search you

And join union

[unborn glacier]

It's for science

[eternal heath]

messaged my friend, will wait for his reply

mans probably in the middle of ocean doing fuckall, said he was busy with a navy sail during this time

[unborn glacier]

That's some harem in the middle of the sea, with all that fucking

[restive idol]

busy doing things with helm

@unborn glacier 03923374

just wait for redd to accept

[unborn glacier]

@leaden wren

[leaden wren]

I accept in a sec

im busy atm I almost got shit on for spending too much time on disc

[unborn glacier]

Okay 😂

[eternal heath]

btw yall think noah in mileage is a bug or the rest not being in is a bug

[ocean radish]

i think they forgot noah is a pilgrim

[eternal heath]

im just hoping they let us know

cause if noah is the bug im spending my silver mileage to simp rather than saving for pilgrims

[leaden wren]

if its a bug and they meant to not put any pilgrim in

im quitting and never looking back

[unborn glacier]

I heard claims that they have seen scarlet in mileage

[eternal heath]

theres probably like 4 ways they could take it

1. noah is a bug, removed
2. noah isnt a bug, rotates monthly
3. noah isnt a bug, but other pilgrims got bugged out
4. noah is a bug, they remove but add pilgrim crystal to the mileage shop instead so you can gacha while you gacha

[unborn glacier]

@eternal heath your missing number 5?

[eternal heath]

oh no, what is number 5

[unborn glacier]

Pilgrims are possible

The thing is there was a patch for mileage

Before patch everyone got different stuff in mileage shop and I heard scarlet and Noah are possible

After, patch everyone has same stuff in shop

So the rotation is different now.... and maybe the other pilgrims will come later

[eternal heath]

yeah, sounds more likely

[unborn glacier]

We have the same stuff in sea shop right?

[eternal heath]

wtf you spent your silver mileage already

[unborn glacier]

Uhhmm yes?

Was liter or privaty that I bought

Most likely privaty

[ebon pulsar]

there is also 5th.. its nikke and bug is beyond our understanding

[eternal heath]

differento

[leaden wren]

well I think people saying that other pilgrims can appear are completely bullshiting

we haven't seen a single picture of other units

but we have seen thousands of noah

I'm inclined to believe 2

[eternal heath]

a monthly rotation would make sense, unless they end up adding so much pilgrims you have to wait months for one to come back

...then thats fomo marketing and exactly what they want

[unborn glacier]

Ohh, different. Hmm .

[unborn glacier]

The other pilgrims claims are before the patch though. Not after it.

[leaden wren]

even so

not a single picture

not 1

its easy to say you saw it

but its not easy to provide evidence for it

if you think about it, there is ZERO% chance people would not take picture to their friend and say "scarlet's in mileage" if its real

[eternal heath]

oh, actually

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829877355539464234/1040857201700524092/scarlet.png

found this in the maincord posted 12 november

the guy sent it in fucking gacha rolls so no one paid attention to it

[leaden wren]

holy shit

this is the first

first one

I've ever seen

the very very very first one

out of 100000 noahs

does the thing on top also says scarlet?

[eternal heath]

i may be chinese but i cant fucking read or write the thing for shit

[leaden wren]

I mstill incline to not believe it though still

I guess we'll see when more people post

[ocean radish]

wait does this follow the spreadsheet

i saw a spreadsheet with specific nikke in specific spots

of the shop

[eternal heath]

theres a what now

[leaden wren]

yea

there is a spreadsheet that has all guaranteed units on it

[ocean radish]

if i remember correctly someone made an excel file

[leaden wren]

definitely other pilgrims aint one of em

[ocean radish]

all the 9 slots have assigned sets of nikkes to it

[leaden wren]

ye apparently its also datamined list also not collected info

[ocean radish]

do yall have it?

[unborn glacier]

Are we done trash talking about scarelet in mileage now? 😂

[leaden wren]

i mean i dont think its real but thats fine lol

[unborn glacier]

I'm skeptical that the list is from datamine, I saw a version before and it didn't seemed data mined info

There might be other list/tables floating though

[leaden wren]

it still doesnt make sense as to why there is so little confirmation on mileage shop

if scarlet or any other pilgrim is real

we are FOR SURE going to have confirmation by now

you cant say its before patch either since in the picture Helm is there

[eternal heath]

we should ask the korea bros to prepare a list of qns and hold a face to face conversation

they"ve done it before to a lot of companies

[unborn glacier]

Also, I need to have a scarlet 1st before this topic is relevant to me 😂

[eternal heath]

scarletless gang rise up

[unborn glacier]

@eternal heath @leaden wren @restive idol

What buils are we planning to try out? So I know what skills of my chars to raise today

My "best" unit would probably be guilotine + liter + privaty