Artifact Substats

[quick bramble]

I've tried it with GC tools and in the console itself but I get the wrong values in-game

This is what the artifact is supposed to be, for reference

[alpine jasper]

GC Tools simply uses the game values all the same as cmd does, it doesn't matter whether you use one or the other since they both are pulling from the predefined pool of stats

If you want to get a very specific value then use GA plugin instead, it already is bundled with the AIO if you followed the quick setup guide

Also you're giving the artifacts at level 20, which is why rolls are being done. Give it at the base level and then level it manually to 20 if you want normal rolls.

Or use the GA plugin for final specific values that aren't being rolled. In any case, this is a result of how you are giving it

[quick bramble]

So if I use the built in artifact function of GC it will always give me incorrect artifact rolls? Then what is the point of it?

[alpine jasper]

No.

[quick bramble]

That's what it's doing

[alpine jasper]

Ok so give yourself an artifact at level 0 with any stat you want

[quick bramble]

Why would I do that?

[alpine jasper]

[quick bramble]

You're obviously not listening to what the actual problem is

[alpine jasper]

I am

You're saying that it is giving an extra roll when you give an artifact at level 20

No?

[quick bramble]

Yes. Is it supposed to give you an incorrect set of rolls whenever you make an artifact lvl 20?

[alpine jasper]

No, it gives rolls equal to what makes the artifact at the level you've specified. If you specify 5 stats and a level 20 artifact has 8, then 3 will be rolled.

[alpine jasper]

If you're still not understanding let me break it down for you.
The artifact you have chosen: 94534

• Starts with 4 substats
• Will roll 5 times total (4, 8, 12, 16, 20)
  = 9 total rolls

You have made the artifact with 8 substats (rolls)
8 < 9 so 1 roll is made

Now you have a level 20 artifact, with 8 rolls, and 1 "random" being made

If you were to give yourself the artifact starting with 3 substats instead, you will get the artifact you have said it "should" be

and there you are

[alpine jasper]

But you're obviously not listening to what the actual answer is

[quick bramble]

Thank you for your explanation. That answers one of my questions, but doesn't actually address the "problem"

[quick bramble]

This is obviously not true then, since there is no option to specify whether I'm using a 5-star 3-sub artifact in this panel

[quick bramble]

So this is still accurate

For any 3-sub 5-star artifact

There is a similar problem with the shop editor. Where having no value for the purchase limit is valid for the grasscutter server, but not valid in GC Tools and causes an error. Unrelated to this post though, of course

[manic gull]

try editing builds.json and use /build command

[manic gull]

or just split one of your rolls into two so the total rolls will be 9 (for example make 1 roll of def+16 to two rolls of def+8)

[quick bramble]

None of that has to do with the actual problem

[manic gull]

ok, I thought that your problem was you're having a hard time replicating your artifact from official GI with GC tool or artifact command. So I gave suggestions.

[zinc garnet]

#resources message

Also, AFAIK this is a third-party tool. The problem isn't in grasscutter itself

[zinc garnet]

Notice that, in this message, Thoronium highlighted the last number (3) in the artifact code, as it is responsible for determining how many initial substats you have

[alpine jasper]

This is the case. You're using a 3rd party tool which may not let you specify the number of substats, but that's an issue with the tool not GC. All artifact ids are available in the GM Handbook as well, but the resources link above about artifact codes will help you a lot.

[alpine jasper]

This is inaccurate because you gave an artifact with fewer rolls than it should have had. It gave an extra roll to match what you specified.

[quick bramble]

Yes, I specifically mentioned the tool multiple times and my initial screenshots also contained the tool, so obviously I'm talking about the tool usage. I also specifically asked if the commands generated by the tool were different as opposed to just using the command line. You said they were not. Obviously this isn't a place to talk about problems with GC tools.

[zinc garnet]

This makes sense, considering it's Grasscutter's server

Third-party tools, mantained by their authors, are not Grasscutter's responsibility

[alpine jasper]

I also specifically asked if the commands generated by the tool were different as opposed to just using the command line. You said they were not.
Because they aren't

The artifact id was for a valid artifact, all substats are the same, whether you made it by hand or with the tool you'd get that. You came in here saying you knew it was a valid substat combination so I came in with the assumption you knew what you were talking about

[alpine jasper]

I tried to explain that to you way back here but you were just being aggressive instead of listening

I call that a certified you issue

[quick bramble]

I know it's a valid substat combination because I got the artifact...in the official version of the game. You can't have an invalid substat combination in the official version, obviously.

[quick bramble]

Asking you why I would give myself a lvl 0 substat artifact with modified stats instead of a normal lvl 20 rolled one that would be scanned into other tools like GOOD easier is being aggressive?

[alpine jasper]

This was your response

I'm taking my leave here, good luck to you. Hope my explanations helped!

[quick bramble]

Because you weren't. Idk what kind of perception you have of this interaction, but I didn't have any intention of being aggressive. I even thanked you for the explanation you gave

But whatever. It's obvious the problem is with the tool I'm deleting this waste of time post

[alpine jasper]

Ok well then one final explanation for you:
if you gave it at level 0 and leveled it up manually you would see how many rolls it started with and how many it got
instead you just told me I wasn't listening, when I was trying to give you a clear hands-on explanation of why it was giving you what it was