TBC Warlock

[prime swan]

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[unique niche]

rmindr about lock rota

[wooden viper]

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[prime swan]

Yes — you should still use Corruption as demo in TBC even without Improved Corruption.

• In TBC it only reduces Corruption’s cast time (2s → 1.6s → 1.2s with 0/1/2 points). It does not change the spell’s damage or whether it’s worth casting.
• Without the talent you spend 2s to apply Corruption. That’s about one global (or most of a Shadow Bolt). In return you get a full DoT (e.g. 12–18s in TBC) that ticks with your +damage. Over that duration, that’s usually more total damage than the single filler you gave up, so keeping Corruption up is still a net gain.
• In wowsims-classic, Corruption’s cast time is 2000 - 400*ImprovedCorruption ms — the sim still uses Corruption at 0/2; it just models the longer cast.

TLDR: Use Corruption as demo in TBC regardless of Improved Corruption. The talent just makes refreshes faster and less of a “tax”; it doesn’t decide whether to use the spell at all.

[autumn vale]

For Affliction spec, shouldn't Unstable Affliction be included in the rotation, if talented? Also, I think that the Imp would normally be the preferred pet in a party/raid environment rather than a Succubus due to Blood Pact.

[prime swan]

Allow me to go over these tomorrow! Ill hit you up whenbi check all

[prime swan]

for the imp/succubus, thats up to you. as soon as you pick one it should stop prompting
Unstable Affliction is now added according to the SIM prio list. should now be out next beta, ty for reporting!

| Sacrifice | Succubus | +15% shadow |
| Sacrifice | Imp | +15% fire; only for fire builds |
| Pet out | Succubus | Lash of Pain for more personal DPS |
| Pet out | Imp | Blood Pact for raid stamina buff |

[subtle folio]

@prime swan # 2026 comments
SL and DL don't snapshot debuffs like they used to. This means "SL only when ISB is up" is no longer accurate.

The above was from the warlock disc. What the subsequently mentioned was that it's no longer worth snapshotting SL with ISB. It can be used while walking and you are not doing any other thing of priority

[prime swan]

alright sounds good! i will make it still usable while walking

[woven surge]

any leveling tips?

specially on config nag

[small verge]

is there a rotation for destro lock?

[thin moat]

For Destruction Warlock in TBC, the recommended rotation includes using Shadow Bolt when Improved Shadow Bolt (ISB) is up, and including Unstable Affliction if talented into it. Additionally, Corruption should be used as Demonology even without Improved Corruption.

Use Shadow Bolt with ISB up and include Unstable Affliction if talented into it. Use Shadow Bolt with ISB up Include Unstable Affliction in rotation

[prime swan]

ST wise you should be fine, but AOE will only shine when you get seed.
NAG is made for level 70s / raiding in mind. However, you may see a rotation while you level and as you learn new spells.. it should adapt.

[prime swan]

yes, NAG has a destro lock rotation in place

there are like 6 lock rotation variations in the NAG.. all self detectable

plus you can assign your curses, etc

[rough minnow]

I just got this question
*"Does next action guide optimize your rotation accordijg to your gear? For example as a warlock player if i am fully decked out in fsw with shadow dam off hand i just wanna spam sbolt, but if i use t4 or w/e immolate would be part of rotation as well.

So is nag follow these kinds of caveats"*

[prime swan]

it could, yes.
atm i dont think i coded anything like that

tell me what to aim for and why and i can have that in

[rough minnow]

idk some random person just asked me

[prime swan]

formal answer would be

For TBC warlock specifically, not yet in a true gear-aware way. The current NAG warlock logic uses a fixed spec priority: Affliction/Demo keep Immolate up and fill with Shadow Bolt, and Destruction keeps Immolate up but swaps filler between Incinerate and Shadow Bolt based on sacrifice buffs/procs. It does not currently inspect gear or set bonuses like FSW vs T4 to decide whether Immolate should be dropped from the rotation.

i can have it be assingable

if it makes sense

[marble estuary]

just checked out the addon, i have some concerns as a destro lock seeing immolate as the suggested first spell cast

is this the up to date rotation

ive picked it up to manage my tapping and trinket usage a bit more effectively but it doesnt even look like i have a WA for trinket slot 1 or 2

[prime swan]

NAG picks the Warlock rotation from your spec (Affliction / Demo / Destro). For Destruction, there’s one default rotation: it keeps Immolate up on single target when the fight is long enough, then Shadow Bolt if you’re Succubus-sac (Touch of Shadow) or not fire-sac, and Incinerate if you’re Imp-sac (Burning Wish). So if you’re “shadowbolt destro,” Immolate showing up is normal—the addon doesn’t have a separate “SB-only, no Immolate” preset.
DS/Ruin–style destro usually does maintain Immolate

The addon treats Immolate the same whether you’re shadowbolt-style or fire-style: it will tell you to put it up or refresh it when the target doesn’t already have it (or it’s about to fall off soon), you’re allowed to cast it (known spell, in range, etc.), and the fight isn’t treated as so short that the dot isn’t worth it (roughly, it wants either a long enough fight or no reliable “dies in X seconds” info). The only thing that changes with “fire” vs “not fire” is mostly what you spam between refreshes (Incinerate vs Shadow Bolt) and Conflag, not whether Immolate is recommended.

lmk if that answers and/or sounds off

[marble estuary]

i think most top parsing destro locks completely sack of immolate as a whole, and just maintain alloted curse SB and shadowburn, in relation to the trinket slot 1 and 2 i note in the UI there are tick boxes to consider is there a built in WA to inform the user when would be a good time to pop them, also is tap built around a specific level of mana (i.e. when mana gets below 15% tap icon pops up) or is it more tuned to certain mechanics for example gruul shatter mag earthquake

[prime swan]

does it depend on the fight? or they dump immolate on all bosses regardless of kill time?
i will have to get back to you later on what we do, im about to leave for a few hours

we can adapt/polish

[marble estuary]

i mean looking at dotterx's parses on nightslayer immolate is not used same goes for the vast majority of high level locks, i guess what im getting at is that the warlock rotation is very simple and the difference between a good warlock and a great warlock is mana preservation, trinket management, when to shadowburn, when to pot etc. If NAG is literally just maintaining and judging when to press immolate and telling you to tap at 15% mana its not really useful...

[prime swan]

i asked about kill time bcs some fast fights you may get to a point you dont apply/refresh dots, thats already coded in. I am not saying youre wrong or anything. I am trying to understand what are the circunstances.

NAG is not a fixed code, we keep polishing everyday. Help me correct it and i will have that in

[marble estuary]

Being that nag is raid focused and therefore for the most part single target, if you are 2 set t4 with a few pieces your arnt going to be throwing up immo

Unless you are fire

[prime swan]

we dont have tricket usage coded in. we can have that in for sure. but what are the use cases? the SIMs just send on pull (but again, SIMs are not usually the reference)

[prime swan]

alright great, i can have that checked

any combo 2 set tier 4

[marble estuary]

I just made a WA alert to remind when trinkets are off CD does what I need it to do now

[prime swan]

SIMs just send immolate both hardcoded and in the new APL they made

[marble estuary]

Tbh even with pre raid bis im not sure immolate should be in the rotation

Although tbh i would confirm with some higher parsing locks than me im only mid 80s

[prime swan]

i think we can SIM it

let me try

its literally whatever

thats the correct spec? @marble estuary

if its whatever, im gonna remove it and just make it assignable so you can opt in

with and without immo when you have t4 pieces its literally the same thing in the SIMs

[marble estuary]

I've just stuck it on as a banned spell but a toggle would be nice

[prime swan]

will be out next beta

[prime swan]

i will make it show 4 secs after you enter combat and everytime its off CD after that. would it be enough?

[marble estuary]

Thats what I have set up atm

Im running two on effect trinkets as despite running 30+ sp I still don't have eye

[prime swan]

alrght will also be out next beta

on top of those i added a smarter mana tap management too

i pulled the mana usage predictions from arcane mages

will send beta soon

[marble estuary]

Oh that sounds decent