MoP Shaman

[daring owl]

yes, i adjusted the syntax that threw errors but i was able to validate it either way

[vivid chasm]

Okay cool

I’ll try it out when I get home

[regal kernel]

will try tomorrow, thanks for the work !

[vivid chasm]

still the same issue...I just click on import then I paste the string then I click on accept an nothing happens

im in 5.5.6 beta 7

[vivid chasm]

@frank needle

[daring owl]

I'm sharing the entire apl, not an export string

[frank needle]

oops s'up

lemme take a look

ya things gotten a little chaotic with the curse shit dropping

[vivid chasm]

So shall I click on new rotation ?

I have been doing like this

[frank needle]

o, ya that doesn't work. it needs the import string...
the string he shared. edit the rotation and you'd paste that in.. i gotta get all that connected better... the handlers cleanup should help facilitate all that better now
To paste that would click 2nd bottom and paste it there... But i should see if i can let that method work as well and if you paste a valid rotation string in it would just create a new rotation for your current spec and use that

that copies the default to a new and let's you enter a custom string but lemme check if the internal updated and i'll just pop jebs update in

not sure if fonsas got to it or not, i try to let him do them so we don't stop on each others toes with the apl updates

@daring owl that one the new default to go into nag ya?

^

[daring owl]

yup

[vivid chasm]

seems it worke now

but getting this agan an again an again

I did /reload and now NAG does not show

yes, seems I broke everything

[daring owl]

the old default is using a distance to target which was phased out by rakizi, i have replaced it in the apl i posted with the new unitdistance

[vivid chasm]

I was using the APL you have recently shared Jeb

[frank needle]

ya i'm fixing all those atm

@vivid chasm

there few aliases needed etc

sorry!

[vivid chasm]

np np !!!

[frank needle]

gimme hour should have a new beta with the fixes aliases. update validator to not require "target" like i told @daring owl it didn't need at first 😛 lol

just too much info my brain explodes

lol

[daring owl]

[frank needle]

i changed the DistanceToTarget to a UnitDistance as well(missed one of em) and changed CastTime to SpellCastTime. i did add aliases. but would like to get to using the correct versions eventually

again just matching their versions for sanity/schema etc.

@daring owl

[daring owl]

sounds good, i will also keep an eye out if i notice myself using old aliases in the future

[frank needle]

ok the wago beta should have your updated version and updated validator @daring owl @vivid chasm

[vivid chasm]

Thanks @frank needle . Can you please share the zip?

With the latest with those updates

[frank needle]

https://addons.wago.io/download/OwEGBmEQ?expires=1757856842&link=eyJpdiI6InJUR1l2YWp3TC9NS044eXhWQ0M3a2c9PSIsInZhbHVlIjoidU5uenBpSjMrUHFtUGZucGVxV1k4WTdZZWlsV1BLQ0tmcGY4ek94ZE9CV3hQZzU1aXZpNmlXazh2TFI0VlhkNTRGT2NlbXplekd0UXZBaHJoaHkwcm9aT3FBNzdHMzlVMmJ2blRVdy9halFmc04wRW1vWFVScTZNbFRNa3dUSFFQcU9pRkcrUTVVTWFjRFpIdEtaRHUyK3pvSGNPeGVreGp2RXZjcCtjb1hxSDV4N3BlVWxWaGtPY3hrS3R5WnJLIiwibWFjIjoiNTZlNzE2NmFjMDBjMzkzNDY4YWZlMjhlMTJkZmZhNTc1MjA2ZWIzMTY4ZDFjM2VmMjJjZGU1N2Y1OTNhNDQwYyIsInRhZyI6IiJ9&signature=18df5f9a3d1059c464721ff3c81e05f21c0a05bf5091c42f75890b52c490f510

[vivid chasm]

Thaaaaanks

[frank needle]

10 is same thing, just had to inc tag

in #🌟｜nag-updates

[vivid chasm]

Ok ok so 5.5.6 beta 10 the right one the

[frank needle]

yes sir

that should have jebs stuff... i need to find a way to get all the old rotations into my crap so i can 'upgrade' and test that 😛

cause my shit of course always getting wiped and cleared testing shit

so i miss that 'step' often

but ya, @vivid chasm @daring owl that release 10 should have all your updates and all the fixes for the buggy 5.5.6 and 5.5.5 stuff i'd been totally rewriting past week or something23

pretty sure all those bugs are now resolved, everything is so much easier (i think) to implement and override stuff all the handler code is sooooo much cleaner.
The docs would be updated as well(though now they split out, but they are split out by wowsims categories essentially) so not sure if that's better or not.
Could use some feedback on that if a all in one is better or categorized?

All the @daring owl aliases are in a seperate file now as well, so can easily check which are real/not etc

that i thnk should be noted in the docs too

sorry for all the dings at 7am 🤣 time has no meaning anymore to me... it's just sleep or code code or sleep nowadays haha

[daring owl]

its close to 2pm for me so no worries

[frank needle]

you on the old release still jeb? or did you upgrade

@daring owl

[daring owl]

i didnt update to the latest version you just posted

didnt play today yet

[frank needle]

kk np

[vivid chasm]

now the rota feels better in my view. However, look at the weaving bar...now its impossible to weave basically haha

seems broken

first time I see the weaving bar like this...it look extremely lagged

[daring owl]

probably something for @violet edge to take a look at unfurtunately

[vivid chasm]

Yes definitely

[daring owl]

but glad the rotation is working better now

[vivid chasm]

appreciate it. Thank you!

[frank needle]

ya i saw that too wasn't sure if it was like that previously or not seemed jerky at times

[muted lark]

How can i configure the LBs, CL and EB for 5 maelstrons?

[violet edge]

ohh the update rate.. let me revisit that

[violet edge]

the throtle was prob bumped up

[daring owl]

you will be losing up to 15% of your dps by doing that. Are you sure?

[muted lark]

rlly?

prob thats why im not doing the dps i should

[daring owl]

yeah weaving gives you a pretty massive boost

just setting LB to only be used at 5 stacks is around 8-10% dps loss

adding EB to that, its a lot

[muted lark]

so 4 stacks

?

i thought a big part of dps came from swing

[daring owl]

if you are curious you can compare LB and EB CPM (casts per minute) in logs from high parses to yours

[muted lark]

ill do it rn

[daring owl]

i weave at 1 stack at times

but that window is very small, most weaves start at 2-3 stacks

[muted lark]

thats why my dps suck then haha

are there any uis i could use also?

also after i get my parser bot done should i disable the others rotas right

[daring owl]

for weaving the most important is a swingtimer that can show you your weave windows. NAG also has a weave helper which does something similar

so its up to you what you prefer in terms of visuals

[daring owl]

not sure, the latest NAG version should have my latest update on the rotation already

[muted lark]

ye its here, i should only let this one enabled, right?

[daring owl]

as long as you got the correct one active it doesnt matter

[muted lark]

is there a better swing timer aura? cuz it seems a lil broken this one from nag

[daring owl]

what seems broken with the NAG one? I think someone pointed out the refresh rate of it is low but afaik Rakizi already adressed this in the latest update he posted in #🌟｜nag-updates

[daring owl]

i think if you make it an mp4 it is embedded in discord

[muted lark]

ok, sec

[daring owl]

i think you do need https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/libclassicswingtimerapi

so it can get info on your autos, but not sure. Worth a shot regardless

[muted lark]

trying rn

[daring owl]

also from that vid i saw that i should probably force EM etc to be on the left through the APL by default

[muted lark]

oke, just did

[daring owl]

do a quick /reload and let me know if that helped

[daring owl]

probably related to this then and not yet pushed a fix to the live version

[muted lark]

i downloaded a wa for the weaving but no idea how to do that haha

[daring owl]

https://wago.io/cvXoBUYdS

[muted lark]

i have been basically playing the class wrong till now

[daring owl]

this is the swingtimer im using

and i also made a vid about weaving back in cata

[muted lark]

ill def watch it

[daring owl]

https://youtu.be/L-kAbNbFEwc

not a lot of infos about weaving out there sadly, i also mention it in my wowhead guide but there is only so much you can explain through pure text

[violet edge]

@daring owl weave bar fixed. will be live next beta
also fixing your APL, whenever you see '((NAG:InputDelay() + NAG:CastTime(421)) < NAG:AutoTimeToNext())' we just put NAG:CanWeave(421)

[daring owl]

pog very nice

while you are at it, could you force the CDs to be shown on left side?

i noticed it from Rafaels vid but they default to middle becuase i forgot 💀

or NAG:Cast(114049)
or NAG:Cast(51533)
or NAG:Cast(16166)

these 3

[violet edge]

done ❤️

<@&1039585074422747156> <@&1375694308853944351> @vivid chasm @muted lark
Enhance APL update + Weave bar fixed (will be live next beta, quick patch fix in the zip file)
Weave bar explanation here #1347562576774434846 message

WTF is LB/CL weaving and why this is important, here: https://youtu.be/L-kAbNbFEwc

@muted lark n esquece do albino snake e manda bala nesse carrinho ❤️

[vivid chasm]

cool guys. Thank you so much

@violet edge did you have time to look into the weaving bar icons?

its confuing the same icon for both flame shock and earth shock

[violet edge]

hummmmmm, ill check

[vivid chasm]

also, how can I make the bar looking like this?

[violet edge]

just disable preset layout and drag the bar around

under /nag > class > LB Weaving bar

[violet edge]

they share the same CD, they both put each other on cd

i think flame shock its just covering earth shock

but both are there

[vivid chasm]

oh

[vivid chasm]

ill give a try again

the problem is I loose thr NAG reference

in order to adapt to it

[violet edge]

its the same bar, just wider. but same behaviour as the other one

[vivid chasm]

yes yes

[violet edge]

i didnt get what nag reference you said, sorry

[vivid chasm]

but the moment Im trying to change the size etc, when I save changes, the bar is not attached or tight to the NAG

ill record a video tomorrow

thats why I said I loose the NAG reference in order to accomodate the changes to the bar

[violet edge]

Thats true, but you can technically resize as ypu like and position it so it looks like the first option

You can drag it around if I record correctly

[muted lark]

@violet edge is there a ui kit for shaman in classic?

[regal kernel]

on latest nag version, it has some issues with refreshing flame shock on time (even sometimes when its not on the boss during fight because it fell off nag has issues telling to use flame shock)

[daring owl]

the APL is looking to refresh the buff the moment 17 or more seconds are remaining on the debuff

maybe the debuff logic also got changed

will check that later

[regal kernel]

for example, I can tell you that on HM sha of fear, when he repop from his submerge (and flame shock is not on it cuz he dispelled it) the nag doesn't tell to use flame shock on him

[daring owl]

refreshes on target swaps when i tested AoE was a problem, maybe this problem overlaps here too

thanks for the input, i will see if i can find a way to do that more consistently

[vague lichen]

Any chance to make flame shock overlap when refreshing in AoE?

It's recommending rn to only reapply after it's been falling off

[vague lichen]

I don't know if this is related. I can try to elaborate more if needed. Kinda hard to explain

[daring owl]

yeah i know it was struggling on aoe, i just need to find a logic that is better adepted to how real players play. Technically it is looking to refreshes the moment the debuff goes below 17s and you have UE buff up

probably can add higher priority to ue and it might fall into place, just a kind if thing that doesn't matter in a simmed situation but is very much a problem in real gameplay

[vague lichen]

Thanks, that is very kind of you

I'd image the AoE can be rather hard to implement

[vivid chasm]

Yes this is happening. I realised those days as well

Also I noticed that sometimes (in rare occasions) fire nova shows up as full icon in the middle

Based on guide Jeb, fire nova is used with 4+ mobs right? However is suggested even with less than 4 targets

So, is it worth pressing fn when 2/3 targets anyway?

[daring owl]

at 3 targets it replaces/matches earth shock

[vivid chasm]

Ah ok ok thanks for the clarification

[vivid chasm]

guys, the idea is we dont glyph FELE for shorter fights right? shorter means...less than 3 min?

[daring owl]

yeah

[vivid chasm]

When playing with PE, do we need to press the channeled ability from the elemental? Sorry don’t remember the name I’m not at home

All the abilities are casted automatically except the last one

[daring owl]

dont use the channel from fire ele, it stops attacking while channeling and its only a 5% dmg boost for yourself

fire ele does way more damage on its own

[vivid chasm]

Clear. Thank you. I just basically keep it as it is after summoning

@violet edge is it possible to apply a kind of “talent check” to the weaving bar? An example of this is to not show elemental blast at all in the weaving bar if it’s not talented

This way I believe we can avoid confusion?

[violet edge]

Ofc ofc!

[vivid chasm]

Cool

[regal kernel]

Yep great idea :p

[frank needle]

@vivid chasm cd bar should follow the main frame better now. it got wonky if i made the scale massive. but on reset seemed fine again

[vivid chasm]

Which beta Rak?? Sounds good!

[frank needle]

36
#🌟｜nag-updates message

[vivid chasm]

Cool!!!!

Thanks man

[frank needle]

yup, was bunch of fixes there

[vivid chasm]

So I can expect CD bar in line with NAG

[vivid chasm]

Oh really?

[vivid chasm]

it feels much better now Rak. Thank you!! However, one little detail, ascendance seems to be a bit weird

it shows up on the left for both while off cd as well as while im using it

and it dissapears after ascendance ends

and another little thing re the weaving bar. Im using the pre set layout so I changed the custom background--> background with (119) and did /reload after. The thing is, I was expecting everything to be adapted to the new size

[vivid chasm]

so here we can see 1. how ascendance cd keeps showing up even im in ascendance already and 2. the LB/CL/EB + cd bar starts before the full width for both weaving bar and cd bar

And as a bonus track…can we do the CD bar a bit wider so that it matches with the NAG size from the top? Same as the weaving bar is perfectly aligned with the NAG frame at the bottom

[vivid chasm]

(White line)

Of course those are personal preferences so I would like to know what the other folks think

[vivid chasm]

And also another visual thing, is it possible to show Stormblast instead of Stormstrike when ascendance is up?

I mean guys those things are not affecting the playing at all u know what I mean

This is just small feedback for potential polish

[daring owl]

i tried and couldn't get it to work

[vivid chasm]

Np Jeb

[frank needle]

weird, ya. Some reason the wow cooldown api doesn't trigger that until the aura expires not when it's cast.
I added a custom IsReady handler for it to check the aura active for this case.

[frank needle]

where is this setting ya talking about... i've barely even looked at this module so trying to figure oout the various settings haha

[frank needle]

the 119 thing ya mention i can't find that

o shit, you mean width 119.... thought that was a specific background setting to change? lol my b

[vivid chasm]

Yeah 119 width for the pre set weaving bar!

[frank needle]

ya, having some trouble trying to change anything in that one, might need fonsas to poke it lol. assume he might have better idea whats what in that one @vivid chasm it just mainly seems to want to be in the default atm

i assume the bg once changed, there another setting somewhere to change the bars themselves. but just not seeing it, can't get the top one to go higher atm. we can repoke hehe

[vivid chasm]

fix: Add Ascendance custom IsReady override. Ascendence Cooldown doesn't start until after the aura expires (@frank needle) @frank needle that was fixe yeah ty

[vivid chasm]

yeah let @violet edge do some magic with the weaving bar and cd bar stuff

also @frank needle can u please check if you can fix the Stormstrike/Stormblast icon display? the thing is, while Ascendance is up (114049), Stormstrike (17364) is replaced by Stormblast (115356) but NAG only shows up Stormstrike and not Stormblast icon

[daring owl]

i tried adding stormblast in the APL so it shows that icon, but that didnt do it

[vivid chasm]

yeah no problem Jeb. As I said yesterday...not a big deal at all

if its possible to fix that, perfect, if not, perfect anyways

[regal kernel]

@daring owl Any tips to parse on garalon ? Just full bursting legs or something with nova spread ? (Might be difficult to parse now for me, legs doesn't last rly long lul )

[daring owl]

garalon is purely just padding on legs non stop, no matter what

not much else to it

[regal kernel]

OK Nice ty 👍

[vague lichen]

Flame shock is still not being prioritized over earth shock in a lot of scenarios

I've had multiple fights tonight where it wants me to earth in of flame with the target even having flame shock on them

Both in AoE and in ST

[daring owl]

you mean without the target having flame shock?

[vague lichen]

Yh

Target has no debuff and it tells u to earthshock

[daring owl]

which is weird because UE is higher in the APL and Flame Shock with UE active condition is also higher than ES

[vague lichen]

Yep, idk

On sha with 4 adds on boss it tells me to earthshock insted of flame shock into lava lash to spread it

Giga DPS loss

[daring owl]

the aoe refresh being iffy i know, its hard to fine tune but the st one should work which is throwing me off

i will move FS prio way up and see if that does something

[vague lichen]

Maybe it has something to do with being in ascendance when I think about it

Cuz even in ST opener it would earth shock even when target had nothing

[vague lichen]

Idk if this helps but this was the opener (yes, I manually used ascendance one global too early)

1st boss in hof

[daring owl]

i dont think i ever tested it with ascendance up

so maybe it messes with things

[vague lichen]

That's what I'm thinking too

And then the aoe and another issue on its own prob

[daring owl]

aoe im having some ideas already

[regal kernel]

Yeah I saw that too for flame shock, sometimes (can't say on which specific case) I saw nag not telling to flame shock when it was going to fall off and even not telling to apply it when boss doesn't have it on

[daring owl]

exported it this time for easier import. Cleaned up the APL code a lot, tested FS refreshes even during ascendance and worked fine for me on ST and on AoE FS refreshes also were better in my testing. Please give me some feedback whenever you can 🙂

@regal kernel @vivid chasm @vague lichen

[daring owl]

like i said, this one is actually the import string now

but i can also share the code if you want

[vivid chasm]

sorry

[daring owl]

no worries

[vivid chasm]

now yes haha

[daring owl]

i tested ST on dummy and also on 3 dummies and it worked quite well. For bigger AoE i will have to wait a bit but if you got the chance to test it in raid trash etc feel free to let me know if you find anything

i build in more opportunities to refresh FS and also lowered the amount of UE Novas it attempted to do in favor of more/stronger Flame Shocks

[vivid chasm]

I need to grind tons of dungeon so...

ty Jeb!!

the FS topic in dummy ST Jeb...I find a bit weird sometimes. I see ES is even priored before FS

even no FS on target, I see ES

@daring owl how do you see it?

[daring owl]

from that distance it should first of all recommend UE and not Stormstrike

[vivid chasm]

it recom UE at 15-20 but starts recom SS at 10-15 yards

[daring owl]

UE should be >= 10

[vivid chasm]

also, very good on fixing the stormblast icon issue

[daring owl]

give me a second

[vivid chasm]

u can start wathing at 1:30

take a look at the remaining time of FS

[vivid chasm]

and how ES is recom again and again

[daring owl]

because you send your UE into EB

instead of refreshing FS

might need some protection for that whenever EB is skilled

ye just double checked since it doesnt care about that state of UE on the EB cast you can potentially miss your FS application and it wont recommend a FS without UE buff

[vivid chasm]

I can confirm this is fixed

if UE-->FS is the optimal sequence...can we implement something to reflect this?

bc u are right, I send UE into EB weave

but, what if I send UE and no FS after?

is it better to wait for the UE cd and then do it right or just cast FS without UE?

[vivid chasm]

kind of a strict sequence?

[daring owl]

im trying to make something but i cant get it to validate

damn it is the = im losing it

[daring owl]

OKAY i think i got it, i added a check for EB to allow weaves with UE but only at certain FS durations, also added one to force EBs only without UE up if the FS check didnt pass and i also added a check to ES to not grief you out of FS refreshes

enough headaches for today this is the updated versions import string

[regal kernel]

will test it when I get time, ty for the updates !

[torn roost]

When i import this nothing happens. It goes into rotation manager right?

[daring owl]

yes

[frank needle]

if you are on the old 5.5.4 there is a bug on the 5.5.1 release that you'll need to upgrade for to allow importing/key changes

[daring owl]

i tested it on 5.5.6 beta 38 fyi

[rocky fjord]

i get an error when i try to update it in the 5.5.6 beta

[daring owl]

any specific error?

[daring owl]

weird, on beta 38 5.5.6 it did validate just fine

@frank needle im sure you love this one 😅

[rocky fjord]

i just redownloaded it, so ill try it again

[frank needle]

ya hehe. can disable it. but that should be working... i added a toggle into debug settings to disable it and in the editor. but gotta get it actually fixed haha

[frank needle]

ya what version ya using?

[rocky fjord]

I had 5.5.6 v48 installed

i just reinstalled it and it took it no issues now lol

[frank needle]

it can be disabled via a toggle there or in the editopr

[daring owl]

we love issues that fix themselves

[rocky fjord]

so while yall are in here, just have a quick question with the auto-sync... do i need to summon the albino snake or does it do it automatically now?

when i have the pet sync enabled

[frank needle]

if ya got one, should auto do it

[rocky fjord]

yea i got one, just didnt know if i should keep it macro'd now or if i can get rid of that keybind

[daring owl]

it does it all automatically

so as long as that specific char learned an albino snake you are good to go

[regal kernel]

Rotation seems great, even work with /nagaoe ! ❤️

[vivid chasm]

Man, what is /nagaoe??

[frank needle]

single target override

forces the NumberTargets etc functions to return 1

to turn off aoe suggestions

@vivid chasm hey, paladin gloves still broken? i was asking the wrong person lol

and it also has additional debug functionality built in now to set the number of targets for debug/testing

which can be set via the sliders too

to simulate more targets, raid members/InRaid/InGroup etc

[vivid chasm]

Oh I see I see

So for instance, let’s say I’m in protectors (first boss from TOES) so NAG normally detects +3 targets so the idea is to toggle /nagaoe so the numbers of targets will be 1?

So ST rotations is suggested all the time?

Same for Amber Shaper

That NAG detects lot of targets so no ST at all

In those case is where we have to run the command?

Before the fight?

At what time we have to toggle this

[vivid chasm]

Yes

[vivid chasm]

Basically not shown at all

[frank needle]

anytime. can macro it. also can hotkey it in the normal blizzard keybind section

can do mid fight etc it'll just do it

[vivid chasm]

Macro it like how?

[frank needle]

just make a macro and add /nagaoe in that it

[vivid chasm]

Ah ok ok

Got it

So we manually trigger that based on the fights

It works anytime we press it

[frank needle]

you can

[vivid chasm]

Good good

[frank needle]

ya

[vivid chasm]

Awesome

I’ll give a try in dungeons

[regal kernel]

Yeah it's rly usefull on certain fights when you just wanna mono at certain time(like wind lord)

[daring owl]

i will test the new apl in raids today too and analyze it from my vod. But im happy its working better already

[frank needle]

me too! 🤣 hope i got the last of the non apl issues resolved. prob take bumping to release for it to be more widely used. hard to tell now w/o the curse counter

[daring owl]

i will let you know if this updated APL is ready for the new default after my testing/analyzing

[vivid chasm]

Actually, we should toggle /nagaoe when raiding right? Since any mob counts for parsing?

[daring owl]

wcl is quite random with what they include

but for example on protectors on toes you should turn off aoe

[vivid chasm]

Yeah exactly

Also for wind lord, amber shaper, etc ?

Any boss when aoe might be active ?

Also, is it instant the st/aoe switch?

[frank needle]

yup, should be. it's just overriding the handlers and/or the state the handlers check

one i not 100% sure on is the raid/group ones

didn't validate the events i was using, hadn't joined agroup yet

/dump NAG:PlayerIsInGroup(), NAG:PlayerIsInRaid() be helpful to see output from 🙂

[vivid chasm]

But do we need anything extra for group/raid? I dont get that part

[frank needle]

whatcha mean bud? there some funcs mainly the healers using em i think that use them

i just wanted someone in a raid/group to run that to make sure it works 🙂

like the monk healing stuff wants to know avg hp's of raid

or % that has a buff... the overrides can fake that

that answer?

[vivid chasm]

From dps perspective, I just need to run /nagaoe and that’s all right ?

[frank needle]

o no, i just wanted to know those things for me to test as was part of all the extra stuff i'd added haha

no aoe/ST just nagaoe toggle

the other stuff #'s and the other crap is just for debugging/testing

[vivid chasm]

Yeah just to switch

[vivid chasm]

Ah now I got it

[daring owl]

my key wasnt active so i couldnt test

[vivid chasm]

can confirm both rotation an /nagaoe works absolutely fine guys

[vivid chasm]

@daring owl maybe this is a stupid suggestion since we can track with the WA from either Fojji or Merfin but, could we add Stormlash Totem on top?

also, we are missing Blood Fury

[daring owl]

both should be easy to add yeah

[charred pike]

Is the albino snake weapon sync thing still a thing to sync swing timers? How exactly do you use it? Not quite understanding it.

[regal kernel]

Nag is auto using it. You just need to have the pet and the addon does the rest

And yes it's used to sync your weapons

[vivid chasm]

We just need to have the pet collected and that’s all right?

So I buy it and I right click after

[regal kernel]

better to buy it with your enhancement cham and only have the one you bough with it in your pet collection (No idea why, but it was recommended to avoid bug / snake not synchronizing your swings issues)

and then that's all, NAG will summon it when necessary, you don't have to do anything x)

[vivid chasm]

yeah I bought looooong time ago from dalaran

how can I lets say...start from scratch?

because im not 100% sure the snake sync in working in my case

[regal kernel]

put it in a cage, then delete it or bank it

and go buy a new one

I think you might need to unlock pet battle to put a pet in a cage, can't remember

[vivid chasm]

I can put it already

and I have never used pet battle

[regal kernel]

yeah just saw you can just right click on it and put in a cage :3

[frank needle]

afaik it just needs to be bought ON the toon using it. Same issue when i was trying in cata on my druid. it doesn't work until that character has purchased it

@vivid chasm

i didn't delete or do any shenanigans though when i had to buy

[full ivy]

just starting to play enhance hows the nag for it?

[daring owl]

had some good feedback on my APL, but always looking for improvements ofcourse

[vague lichen]

Was it fixed overall I will try it out tomorrow havent had the time

I guess I will just have to get the latest update and it should be there?

[daring owl]

not yet in the latest default

i will send the latest one i made in a bit, added racials and stormlash totem as requested

[daring owl]

latest import string for the enha rotation

[vivid chasm]

all perfect @daring owl tysm

[vague lichen]

ty

[regal kernel]

OK so rotation works great, CD too.

But i have one thing to say. When you're using Eb and switch to another talent, nag still suggest Eb in rotation until you do a reload.

Its quite annoying (I tend to forget to reload and playing enhance ask you to switch talents soooo many times hahaha)

Dunno if its possible to "Fix" that ?

[fiery ether]

Any new new for the Ele bois?

or is the thought that it's brain dead as ever and #nochanges

[violet edge]

attempint a fix for that now

[violet edge]

oh the date is just wrong, I always forget to update the date

Saji is learning ele to help us out

[violet edge]

alright i made some adjustments while saji is leveling his shaman. can you take a look?

will send the rotation here shortly

[fiery ether]

Would love to!

[violet edge]

ok so i added comments all over

there are 3 rotations in place, we need to polish them all

for ele, that is

here they are

"Elemental ST"

    or NAG:AuraIsKnown(120668) and NAG:Cast(120668)

-- Stormlash uptime: ensure it's up if neither Stormlash nor Ascendance is active
    or ((not NAG:AuraIsActive(120668, "player", false)) and (not NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false))) and NAG:Cast(120668)

-- Other big cooldowns (trinkets, racials, on-use)
    or NAG:AutocastOtherCooldowns()

-- Pre-pull / early Ascendance to frontload damage
    or (NAG:CurrentTime() < 5) and NAG:Cast(16166)

-- Potion usage windows tied to Ascendance timings
    or ((NAG:RemainingTime() <= 26) or (NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 105)) or (NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 10)) or (NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false)) or NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false)) and NAG:Cast(76093)

-- Engineering Gloves (Synapse Springs variants): align with Ascendance/Bloodlust or when Ascendance soon
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(126734)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(82174)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(54758)

-- Elemental Blast: high priority when talented
    or NAG:SpellIsKnown(117014) and NAG:Cast(117014)

-- Unleash Elements: only if Unleashed Fury talent is taken
    or NAG:AuraIsKnown(117012) and NAG:Cast(73680)

-- Ascendance timing: either very soon or far away
    or ((NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) >= 85.0) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 4)) and NAG:Cast(16166)

-- Lava Burst: cast when Flame Shock will be up long enough
    or (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) > NAG:SpellCastTime(51505)) and NAG:Cast(51505)

-- Ascendance: use with long FS remaining to align damage
    or (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) > 15) and NAG:Cast(114049)

-- Flame Shock: apply if missing
    or ((not NAG:DotIsActive(8050)) and NAG:Cast(8050))

-- Flame Shock: multidot maintenance on off-targets (2+)
    or (((NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) < 2)) and ((NAG:DotIsActive(8050) and NAG:ShouldMultidot(8050, 2, 2.0)) and NAG:Cast(8050, NAG.SPELL_POSITIONS.RIGHT)))

-- Earth Shock: Fulmination dump at high LS stacks, but avoid colliding with soon Ascendance/FS refresh
    or ((NAG:AuraNumStacks(324, "player", true) >= 7) and (not ((NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) <= 6.0) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0)))) and NAG:Cast(8042)

-- Searing Totem: ensure totem down if FE/SLT not covering
    or ((not NAG:AuraIsActive(2894, "player", false)) and (not NAG:IsTotemActive(3599))) and NAG:Cast(3599)

-- Fire Elemental: timing rules (various encounter-length windows and set bonus handling)
    or (((NAG:RemainingTime() <= 150) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 5)) or ((NAG:RemainingTime() > 180)) or (NAG:RemainingTime() < 35)) and NAG:Cast(2894)

-- Fire Elemental: fallback timing rules with duration-aware checks
    or (((not NAG:AuraIsActive(2894, "player", false)) and (NAG:RemainingTime() >= 5) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 20) and (NAG:ShamanFireElementalDuration() == 60)) or ((NAG:ShamanFireElementalDuration() < 60) and (not NAG:AuraIsActive(2894, "player", false)) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(2894) < 65)) or (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 62)) and NAG:Cast(2062)

-- Lightning Bolt filler
    or NAG:Cast(403)```

"Elemental AOE Multi Targets" kicks in with 4+ targets

-- Elemental Blast near top when talented
    or NAG:SpellIsKnown(117014) and NAG:Cast(117014)

-- Potion usage windows aligned to Ascendance for AOE
    or ((NAG:RemainingTime() <= 26) or (NAG:AuraIsKnown(16166) and NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 105)) or (NAG:AuraIsKnown(16166) and NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 10)) or (NAG:AuraIsKnown(16166) and NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false)) or NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false)) and NAG:Cast(76093)

-- Engineering Gloves: align with AOE Ascendance or Lust
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(126734)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(82174)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(54758)

-- Ascendance for AOE burst
    or NAG:Cast(114074)

-- Earthquake for 5+ long-lived targets
    or (NAG:CountEnemiesInRange(10) >= 5.0) and NAG:Cast(61882)

-- Magma Totem for sustained packs
    or ((not NAG:IsTotemActive(8190)) and (NAG:CountEnemiesInRange(10) >= 4.0)) and NAG:Cast(8190)

-- Chain Lightning spam baseline AOE
    or NAG:Cast(421)```

Elemental Cleave - for 2-3 targets

-- Mana CD: Shamanistic Rage at low mana in cleave contexts
            ((NAG:CurrentManaPercent() <= 0.7)) and NAG:Cast(30823)

-- Unleash Elements: prefer when Unleash Flame (77762) is active
    or (NAG:SpellIsKnown(73680) and NAG:AuraIsActive(77762, "player", true)) and NAG:Cast(73680)

-- Stormlash Totem on cooldown
    or NAG:Cast(120668)

-- Other cooldowns
    or NAG:AutocastOtherCooldowns()

-- Early Ascendance usage
    or (NAG:CurrentTime() < 5) and NAG:Cast(16166)

-- Potion usage rules for cleave
    or ((NAG:RemainingTime() <= 26) or (NAG:AuraIsKnown(16166) and NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 105)) or (NAG:AuraIsKnown(16166) and NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 10)) or (NAG:AuraIsActive(16166, "player", false) and NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false)) or NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false)) and NAG:Cast(76093)

-- Engineering Gloves for cleave alignment
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(126734)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(82174)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(114049, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(2825, "player", false) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 6.0))) and NAG:Cast(54758)

-- Timing Ascendance vs its own cooldown window
    or ((NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) >= 85.0) or ((NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 4))) and NAG:Cast(16166)

-- Lava Burst when Unleash Flame buff is present
    or NAG:AuraIsActive(77762, "player", true) and NAG:Cast(51505)

-- Searing Totem safety net
    or ((not NAG:AuraIsActive(2894, "player", false)) and (not NAG:DotIsActive(3599))) and NAG:Cast(3599)

-- Flame Shock application and multidot handling
    or ((not NAG:DotIsActive(8050)) and NAG:Cast(8050))
    or ((NAG:DotIsActive(8050) and NAG:ShouldMultidot(8050, 2, 2.0)) and NAG:Cast(8050, NAG.SPELL_POSITIONS.RIGHT))

-- Lava Burst if FS lasts through the cast
    or (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) > NAG:SpellCastTime(51505)) and NAG:Cast(51505)

-- Elemental Blast if talented
    or NAG:SpellIsKnown(117014) and NAG:Cast(117014)

-- Ascendance usage
    or NAG:Cast(114049)

-- Earth Shock dump with sufficient LS stacks and safe FS duration
    or ((NAG:AuraNumStacks(324, "player", true) >= 6) and (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) >= 8) and (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) >= 8)) and NAG:Cast(8042)

-- Fire Elemental timing
    or (((not NAG:AuraIsActive(2894, "player", false)) and (NAG:RemainingTime() >= 5) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 10)) or (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 62)) and NAG:Cast(2062)

-- Thunderstorm for mana if very low
    or (NAG:CurrentManaPercent() <= 0.15) and NAG:Cast(51490)

-- Chain Lightning / filler
    or NAG:Cast(421)
    or NAG:Cast(403)

this should have them updated.. try a /nag reset all

@fiery ether dont tell rakizi im sending underground beta zip files bypassing his release script

two things to notice:

• i had gpt help me understand and make an APL out of Icy veins AND wowhead
• i dont have a shaman to test myself, you may face bugs.. but hopefully these will easy to fix

[idle glen]

I’ve been getting a weird bug where on enha nothing shows up, just get the slide bar on the side then no abilities, kinda wild

[regal kernel]

By that you mean its in the current release or you're gonna try to fix it ? :p

[violet edge]

the zip above has this fix

[violet edge]

guitar hero as enhance is telling you what comes next, the empty next action is actually intended here

you will either weave or wait for the next spell to bt ready, the effect should tell you what they are

[idle glen]

Oh then like nothing comes up at all, the next ability just never comes up

[daring owl]

what version are you on btw?

maybe one of them has a bug with that

[regal kernel]

nice ty !

[violet edge]

never ever? yaa thats weird.. plz try a /nag reset all just to make sure you are in the default rotation

[idle glen]

is the latest version

[idle glen]

yeah downloaded the new version and did a full reset, still getting no icons showing just the guitar hero thing and nothing else

[violet edge]

is this happening just on shaman?

if positive, can you record a quick video? do a /nag so we see if the keys are all set up and all

or if youre facing bugs

[idle glen]

i did a full reinstall n it fixed so idk

and yeah was only on the shaman

[frank needle]

the elemental ST rotation has a bug, quick fix: edit the rotation and remove the or from the first non-comment line.

will fix next release/beta

<@&1375694308853944351> ^

[neat frost]

Is there a specific setting for the enhance rotation i can use to show the next ability in the NAG frame instead of it just disappearing until the next ability is off CD/available. I think Jeb said something about using guitar hero stuff but i dont like that particular function personally

video for reference

[vivid chasm]

Hi guys. Been testing the ele rotations

Not too bad baseline to be honest

Of course there are some inconsistencies

Not in game atm but:

1. Searing totem suggestion while fire elemental totem is up
2. Fire elemental is not shown at all
3. Racial/s not shown
4. Gloves not shown even though the check box is ticked
5. Can we put storm lash totem on above by default (as enha shaman has)? Just to avoid cumulating cds on the left
6. Chain lightning/distance to targets interaction. NAG detects there are multiple targets only when in melee so that only chain lightning is suggested then. If in range, the target counting does not work and only lightning bolt is suggested

I think the point 6. Is the most important and impactful one

Others should be quick fix

Point 1-5 are working great in the enha rotation

Just in case you want to replicate the behaviour from there

@meager tinsel tagging you because I was told you were levelling/learning ele and you’ll probably play ele better than many people even though is not your main class lol @violet edge

[meager tinsel]

Relatively simple changes to make if needed. I haven't touched it myself because im still leveling (work has been pretty insane the last few weeks).

I'm unfamiliar with the target matching at ranged, I'll check to see what actions are available and test against them to see if that's something already solved.

[vivid chasm]

7. Elemental mastery is suggested even though EB is talented

update on 2. Fire elemental is not shown at all: it is shown only when BL is up

[vivid chasm]

we need to take a look at the unleashed elements logic as well. It is suggested on pull which is good but then during the combat it is sometimes suggested before lava burst instant cast and many others not

I dont see a consistent usage/management of unleashed elements

[daring owl]

those are two different talent rows no?

[vivid chasm]

Man, too much wine last night I guess

[smoky cloud]

agree with Ramicie. at this point the elemental rotation is really bad 🙁

[vivid chasm]

sorry, EM is suggested when echo of the elements is talented

also FS defuff on target swap is not working fine

[daring owl]

does it always do that or only after swapping talents? I think someone reported that nag doesnt updated without a reload when changing talents? but im not sure

either way probably something a dev should check

[vivid chasm]

always!

[vivid chasm]

yeah

enha is working great man

[meager tinsel]

I started work on ele and have at least some if not all of these issues fixed. I build my rotations from scratch and verify the logic between all steps, so it takes longer than usual to get a solid rotation, but usually has less issues. I'm hoping I can squeeze in finishing it this evening.

[zinc oyster]

Hello , as enh are you using the default rotation or you using parse bot for create one rotation per boss ( regarding the talent swap per boss ) ?

I don’t have a good logs and not an sham expert but I practice a lot to try to be better 😅 and maybe it’s not a bad idea to use parse bot for every boss I should change my talent

[daring owl]

the current rotation works great out of the box with Elemental Blast and Primal elementalist talents, same for elemental mastery and echo of the elements. Only Unleashed Fury and Ancestal Swiftness around completely accounted for in the current iteration, but its on my list

it was mentioned above but nag will need a /reload after you changed a major talent to notice and stop recommending the old ability afaik

[zinc oyster]

Oh ok thanks ! I’m just bad for the moment 🥲, but thanks for the tips

[regal kernel]

saw that with some of the newest release, while I thought Fonsas said he had fixed it ? So it wasn't ?

[daring owl]

im not 100% sure, im just going off of what is being shared in here

[regal kernel]

will see with latest one on next ID :>

[zinc oyster]

regarding this

that mean i can cast LB or EB right ?

[vivid chasm]

yes

[zinc oyster]

but i've to do before white bar touch left ?

[vivid chasm]

at the moment the white line reaches left siDe

[zinc oyster]

oh ok

that something i miss

[vivid chasm]

thats the swing

[zinc oyster]

i need to practice this better

sometime i got red light and not green light

[vivid chasm]

yes its normal. I had to spend time trying to get used to

[daring owl]

at any moment between the white bar and the icon

[zinc oyster]

so need to practice more

[vivid chasm]

once you get it, you will no longer fail any weave

ulesh u are F by elemental mastery haste increse lol

[zinc oyster]

and the weapon for enh is a myth ? xD never see one in HM... xD

[vivid chasm]

im used to do it once the white bar reaches the left border from the weaving bar, maybe there is a more optimal way to weave

[daring owl]

earliest after the white bar reached is best since its the fastest but any point between the white bar and icon will be a save weave

[regal kernel]

got 1 on first shek'zeer HM kill on raid release, second one the next ID with charm of good fortune 8D

but I had no weapon (483 pvp ones) before that, so it's Karma haha

[vivid chasm]

yes exactly. Then Im ding right

Im used to weave right after the white bar reaches

[vivid chasm]

appreciate it that man. tysm

[regal kernel]

Tried on dummy, as enhance, I can confirm that NAG still suggest elemental blast if you just respecced from it (you have to reload for it to get remove from rotation after changing the talent) @violet edge @daring owl @frank needle

[violet edge]

ok! i will give it another look

[frank needle]

fixed next beta. 5

[regal kernel]

noice !

[frank needle]

lemme know if ya see any other issues! 🙂

[regal kernel]

I was wondering : would the Weaver in the nag add-on work on ToT ptr? (if there's one )

[violet edge]

ya, it should

[regal kernel]

nice !

[uneven sorrel]

Anyelse feeling that the APL is no longer as crisp for Enhancement as before? For example not suggestion flame totem when its not up?

[daring owl]

are you using the default?

i believe the last apl i posted in here fixed all of the pain points people posted about

[uneven sorrel]

Got the latest beta of NAG

5.6.1-beta8

[daring owl]

can you let me know how it feels with this one?

[uneven sorrel]

Still does not suggest searing totem or Fire elemental totem when no searing flames buff

or well, no searing flames generator

Also noticing that earth elemental totem is not suggested when off CD. These are things that have been working before (about 1 week ago).

[daring owl]

then it has to be something internal, since those are def in the apl

it also shows nothing to the left/top which it 100% should

on the left should be the fire ele/cd reminder

and top should have stormlash

[uneven sorrel]

The only thing showing on the left is Wolves + acension, on the top, nothing has ever shown

never had stormlash showing on the top.

[daring owl]

@violet edge could you take a look when you are free? Looks the one of the latest updates is messing with something. The APL def has those things in it but they arent shown

[uneven sorrel]

Adding a picture with settings (pretty default except AOE-spells that ive placed on the right side). All CDs up at the time of this screenshot as you can see on the weakauras

For whats its worth, Stormlash totem has NEVER been visible as a cooldown above. Fire elemental has been visible to the left and searing totem on the bottom.

[daring owl]

yeah the stormlash change was new with the apl i linked you

[uneven sorrel]

Alright cool, im running the APL you sent right now. No change with the stormlash

Let me know if i can be of any help. Thanks for the quick reply.

[daring owl]

lets see if fonsas could give some insight why this might be happening

[karmic sapphire]

i cant for the life of me figure out why NAG wont show up on my enhance shaman.. but does for all my other classes nvm i think the rotation was not enabled for some reason

[violet edge]

thats not the defaul! do a "/nag reset class"
you may have a corrupted copy

tag me if it persists

[thorn yacht]

For when do i know when i want to use aoe and single target for nag do i want aoe for ceelstial duegeon and raid for single target ?

sorry for asking

[violet edge]

it should auto swap between the two depending on the number of targets

you can force one or the other with /nagaoe

elemental will be revised soon, btw

im patching locks and will dive into ele myself after that

[thorn yacht]

what do you mean revised ?

[violet edge]

I will work on the rotation, make it better

[thorn yacht]

any idea how many weeks it will take until done 🙂 ?

[violet edge]

it depends on how active the help testing is. but should be fast (1-2 weeks) with progressive updates. we recruiting help

I mean, 1 or 2 weeks from the moment we actually start

[uneven sorrel]

@violet edge got the same issue still. Even did a /nag reset all, updated to beta11 - Still no searing totem or fire elemental totem in the rotation.

Im trying to uninstall and install a fresh copy

@daring owl @violet edge - Did a clean install of beta11 (deleted all NAG addons). The reinstall did not fix it. Deleted everything again and installed Stable (5.6.0). This fixed the issue. So it seems to be some sort of issue with the new beta releases? Or some corrupt WTF files on my end, not sure. Ill run 5.6.0 for now. Let me know if i can be of assistance in any way with troubleshooting/screen sharing.

[daring owl]

most likely a change in the beta that is messing with it

[uneven sorrel]

Stormlash change is a banger tho

Now integrate it with fojji stormlash tracker so it only pops up when its your turn to stormlash 😉

[violet edge]

I will see wtf going on with it sometime tomorrow. I know @coarse shadow made progress on it today.

we send another beta once fixed!

[violet edge]

what about it? sorry i get lost hopping from class to class

did we change anything? is it working as intended?

what about fojis? what is it it does?

you have to be very specific, i tend to break stuff i dont understand

[daring owl]

i added stormlash as a cd recommendation on top of NAG since people requested it

i guess the request is to only show it when you are supposed to use it, shown in fojjis and merfins stormlash trackers

they give you an alert when its your turn

[violet edge]

how do they know its your turn?

[daring owl]

the order is set in the tracker weakaura

[violet edge]

hummm

[daring owl]

there is a default order by specs and then sorted by names alphabetical but raid leaders can manually change the order through another WA or MRT as well

im not completely familiar with fojji since we use merfins stuff but i assume its all similar

[violet edge]

they should communicate at least

can you send me so i can take a look

please

may be easy to have a solution for that

[daring owl]

i will DM you merfins one in a bit

[uneven sorrel]

Oh that was mostly a "joke suggestion", but ofc very helpful addition to NAG if possible. My real issue was the problem with Cooldowns (searing totem, fire elemental, stormlash totem) not showing on on the beta. Downgraded to stable to fix it. Clean install did not work for the beta.

[violet edge]

but if it can be done it should be done.. i mean if thats really something people care, why not

[violet edge]

@daring owl alright totems fixed.. but whats the shenanigans to get searing totem to attack again? does it always wait for a flameshock?

we can now track when the totem is active but not attacking. I wanted to make it possible to "fix" this by maybe adding flameshock higher in prio.. and if you did flameshock still no attack, means its just out of range and needs to be casted again

[daring owl]

on dummies yes, on normal enemies it attacks whatever you are in combat with

been like this since forever that dummies and fire totems hate each other

[violet edge]

then we good

i just made an alert to tell you when the totem is not attacking

[fiery ether]

Searing totem being recommended when Fele or anotehr searing totem is already placed while Ele ...

[violet edge]

ill take a look

just confirming, thats on the latest beta, right?

[violet edge]

and that on ele or enhance?

i think its ele. enhance was working fine when i tested. Will send a patch for ele now

sent. new beta will be live soon

[fiery ether]

Ele - yes!

[split tree]

what is the tracker in the top right for enhancement shamans? How do i turn that off?

it looks like some type ot weaving bar, not sure how it works though

[violet edge]

thats a guitar hero style of whats coming next in your rotation.. you see, different from other classes, as enhance you always have the option to wither weave or wait for a upcoming cast/spell, so we dont really tell you what to cast next in the NAG mainframe, we show your spell CDs in the upper part

thats just how far away they are from being available

they will pop in the main frame when ready, following their prio order

[split tree]

so when am i supposed to cast LB, before or after the white bar. This could be very useful i just need to figure out how it works

also how to toggle off elemental blast

[violet edge]

elemental blast turns itself off when you dont have the talent

[split tree]

i dont have it on and its still showing

im running primal

[violet edge]

see if this helps #1347562576774434846 message

[violet edge]

try a /nag reset class or just a reload, it should not be there

if it persists lmk, i will take a look

[split tree]

still there

[violet edge]

you on the latest beta or release version?

so i know where to fix

[split tree]

yep

latest release i should say sorry

[violet edge]

try the beta, see if it persists: https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1257963268169797663

if it does let me know, i will fix it asap

it seems to work on my beta end

[split tree]

hmm now it doesnt even show up on the beta

[violet edge]

try the "/nag reset class"
or even "/nag reset all"
then reload

[split tree]

ahh ok got it

no ele blast ok cool

thank you

[violet edge]

❤️

[split tree]

The autosyncing makes the shaman nag worth it alone

[violet edge]

thanks mate ❤️

[split tree]

what is this error im getting now

is there a prediction manager option

[violet edge]

in think youre in a very old beta version

#🌟｜nag-updates message get this one

[mint vault]

I was actually wondering the same thing here. Are we to press LB as the white bar hits the main action button?

[violet edge]

yes! and before the LB/CL bar goes away/fades

[violet edge]

but also, plz check the explaination in the pins

[mint vault]

oops, thanks

[split tree]

@violet edge So i dont want to use the weaving bar, but i love the auto sync, however the auto sync wont work if the weaving bar is turned off. Is there a way to fix that?

[violet edge]

huh, let me take a look at this tomorrow. they worked separately on my end. just make sure you /reload after making the selection.
also just for the sake of starting off with the standards, try a "/nag reset class", then /reload, disable the weave bar, /reload again.

[split tree]

I just tried all this, and it doesnt work. Everytime i log out, I have to start the encounter, reload nag, and then start again to get the autosync to work

[dawn basin]

Auto sync works for me no problem, but occasionally I have to re-add my "blank" rotation for the UI not to show up in cities. Is there any way for me to like, permanently disable everything that is not the snake auto sync

[violet edge]

i think you can do it by using /nag disable

while logged on your shaman

just be sure to test if the snake weaving gets disabled too

[wheat sparrow]

why is ele blast not showing up in my rotation with this most recent update?

been using the beta version unless i need to change to release?

[violet edge]

we had a few problems, rakizi sent another update. plz try again

if needed, please try a "/nag reset class" and reload

if it persists, tag me/rakizi here

[karmic sapphire]

v5.6.2-beta26/27 enhance shaman getting stuck on Lightening bolt, tested by going back to beta25 and rotation was going

[violet edge]

try a "/nag reset class" in the latest, if it doesnt work, roll back to the last working one and tag rakizi here please ❤️

[rotund tide]

I'm not sure if I'm missing a setting or something, but in beta 26/27 there are no longer any MW3/4 LB/CL suggestions for Enhancement. I rolled back to stable version 5.6.1, and it's working again as intended. Before I tried /nag class reset, changed nothing

[violet edge]

Yeah better roll back. We are wotking on the errors

[vague lichen]

What happend to the enha rota? Is there any way to revert it back to an older patch where it it was working

[frank needle]

ya, wago can install older version and alataria's app in config can select to lock to specific version @vague lichen we working on fixing that. was a few issuessorry 🙁

[violet edge]

yes, jsut install an earlier version, we will be fixing these soon. you can see them on https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1257963268169797663

[violet edge]

@frank needle

[vague lichen]

Nice, ty is there a guide for this?

[regal kernel]

hey guys

Tried the latest release, weaver is still not working properly

[vague lichen]

Yes its broken atm. Huge dps loss

[frank needle]

ok will purchase a boost today and see if we can figure out the issue @vague lichen @regal kernel thx for feedback

hopefullynot dependent on a lvl 90 ability... f'n PTR lol

[vague lichen]

Thank you

[frank needle]

thank you ❤️ shit always happens when PTR gets ripped away from me lol. sorry again

[regal kernel]

no prob, just using an older release for now 🙂

[frank needle]

appreciate the patience, been a rough month. and then the nag issues lol on top of that

[violet edge]

@vague lichen @regal kernel please check beta 35. will be out in a few mins from now

beta 36 now. i forgot to push the change, kekw me

36 should have it

[regal kernel]

gona test

it seems to work, but when doing a LB weave, the bar turn red like i missed the weave timer (when i'm not missing)

yeah whenever you weave, the weaver bar turn red

[violet edge]

alright! ill check it now

found it and fixed it

[regal kernel]

seems to work perfectly !

trying it more tonight, if I see something weird i'll tell you

[vague lichen]

Do i just download the latest release?

[frank needle]

latest beta @vague lichen where all that's been fixed

waiting on some feedback on the random freezing issues some yhave been seeing and we'll 'release' release it in a day or 2.

but for now, can update to the beta release

[vague lichen]

Nice

[frank needle]

yup, let us know ya see any other issues and we go on hunt again haha

[regal kernel]

hmm I might have seen some issues with weaver, like the weaving timing on 1-2 maelstorm stack doesn't feel like the older version

might be just me thinking that but its strange

[regal kernel]

/e : after more dummy test, I just think that the feeling is coming from me. It feel a bit "tighter" to weave at 1-2 stack but everything is fine

[zinc oyster]

Are you using standard rotation from NAG or parse bot ? Like for every boss on TOT ?

As Enh

[violet edge]

The standard is the best

[undone orbit]

@frozen sedge

I think the WA is required right? @violet edge

@frozen sedge

[violet edge]

no WA!

[zinc oyster]

hey someone get trouble with Nag, sometime lag and stop working next actions still block on last spell, only weave bar works

[violet edge]

plz try these steps: https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1455650883890184212

[vague lichen]

@violet edge If fire ele is glyphed, searing totem isnt show in rotation

So if u follow nag it will have 30 sec searing downtime after every fire ele

[violet edge]

im sending a beta with this fix, please test it for me!

all specs should now be aware

[vague lichen]

thank you i will test

[vague lichen]

still doesnt work sadly

[violet edge]

Can you try a "/nag reset class" or make sure youre in the default rotation?
Ill check again later today!

[daring owl]

very weird behavior since it should only check for spellID available to cast or not

[vague lichen]

Yes idk what is causing it

I could just play with a weakaura that shows it but still

[frank needle]

hrm, don't got damn glyph on the lowbie shm 🤣 hard to test, this the ele or enh shm with it glyphed? 🙂

[vague lichen]

Enha

[frank needle]

good to know, was lookin at ele at first 🙂 hehe

[ornate bridge]

Any good ele shaman here ? Pm

[karmic sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/elemental-shaman-bongo-cat-gif-17222884347728734133

[hidden osprey]

Looking at logs for council, 3rd boss, ele shamans almost exclusively press chain lightning. But when I’m at the fight, my NAG is almost exclusively showing Lightning Bolt casts.
So far elemental Shaman has performed the worst of all specs I’ve tried with NAG. If I follow the rotation the parse results are typically grey. Not sure how to adjust NAG to be more accurate.

[regal kernel]

Ok, so with latest update, searing totem fix isn't working anymore for Enhance

Had to revert back to 5.6.10 (from 31-01-26 ) which is the last time searing check was working

(Did clean install, character setup / nag reset when trying to fix latest version, none of that worked)

@violet edge @frank needle

[frank needle]

thx, will take a look see if i can see what hpnd.

[frank needle]

check next beta when ya get a chance please thx (beta55)

[regal kernel]

It seems like it's still having issues with fire elem glyph, not telling to use searing totem after fire elem faded

without fire elem glyph it works fine

[violet edge]

hmmmm was it fixed at some point and broke again? or has the fix we sent never worked?

i do remember working on it

i will double check again

[violet edge]

alright i sent another proper fix

sending a beta soon!

[frank needle]

.

[regal kernel]

Seems fixed, will try it more tomorrow in raid

[regal kernel]

Didn't notice anything wrong, seems good 👍

[smoky cloud]

i switched back to 5.6.13 because 5.6.14 , 5.6.15 and 5.6.16b6 do strange things with the elemental rotaton. Ascendance gets completely ignored. After some time of casting lightning bolt immediately disapears when it's cast leaving a blank / empty spot instead of the next lb with a cd swirl in it, like it does in 5.6.13 en for a few casts (1 to 2 mins?) with the other versions. Did all the usual stuff like full reset but that does not fix it. the rotations seem to be all the same.

[violet edge]

I think i know exactly where to fix. Ill hit you up soon

[violet edge]

sending a fix!

next beta will be out soon

plz give it a try

[smoky cloud]

yes the fix works! thanks for the fast fix!

[hidden osprey]

During Elemental's Ascendance NAG no longer recommends using Lava Burst, it is just wanting more Lightning Bolt. I believe Lava Burst is the only spell you should be casting during single target fights. Did something change with the rotation, or is this a bug?

[violet edge]

im sending a fix, new beta out in 5 min

[hidden osprey]

Even with newest update version it still does not recommend Lava Burst on single target during ascendance. Its wanting me to cast lightning bolt almost every gcd. When its 2 targets it cant decide between lava burst and the CL lava spell

[violet edge]

im sending a beta with another fix in an hour! can you plz try that for me when you get time?

[hidden osprey]

With newest version - During Ascendance, NAG displays Lightning Bolt as the "next cast" while Lava Burst is being cast. Once Lava Burst cast ends NAG displays Lava Burst again as the next cast. It also suggested Earth Shock be cast when it was not at 7 stacks and while Ascendance was active.
So it seems its predicting the wrong spell until the next cast can be made. Maybe a month ago it was not the case, and would correctly display next spells

[violet edge]

@slate orbit how does Ascendance change other spells cooldown for MoP Ele shamans?

[slate orbit]

Something went wrong. Try again!

[violet edge]

i just sent another fix!

the above is me testing the bot

i changed how spells are not shown as spammable when youre already casting it and they have a cooldown, to fix most cases for casters

but then i had to open exceptions for the cases you described

thanks for clarifying

hopefully it works this time

@slate orbit how does Ascendance change other spells cooldown for MoP Ele shamans?

[slate orbit]

Something went wrong. Try again!

[violet edge]

@slate orbit how does Ascendance change other spells cooldown for MoP Ele shamans?

[slate orbit]

Something went wrong. Try again!

[violet edge]

@slate orbit how does Ascendance change other spells cooldown for MoP Ele shamans?

[slate orbit]

In Mists of Pandaria, Ascendance for Elemental Shamans significantly alters the cooldowns and functionalities of several key spells. When activated, Ascendance reduces the cast times of Lava Burst and Lightning Bolt to 0 seconds, enhances their damage, and ensures that Lava Burst will always critically strike. Additionally, it reduces the cooldown of spells like Earth Shock, allowing for increased damage output during the duration of Ascendance. The transformation also interacts uniquely with the cooldowns of Earthquake, especially when a Storm Elemental is gained.

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[violet edge]

thanks