MoP Shaman

[thorn nymph]

Enhance seems to get stuck on this during aoe

[frank needle]

alrighty, bout to crash trying to check all the missed messages here. we try take a look tmw at whats up with it

[thorn nymph]

It did only show icon seen in picture even when you cast it.

When multiple targets are near that is

[frank needle]

sorry @thorn nymph i'd forgotten about this one, i put a ticket in the github tracker so at least it's there and not forgotten and see if i can see whats up

[thorn nymph]

No worries, i dont play shaman so doesnt bother me 😂

[frank needle]

well appreciate the report then :

things like this way addon coded though prob can/will effect other classes. So any bug report a good bug report lol

[regal kernel]

Any update on enh sham nag ? Or are you waiting for MoP rotation ? 😄

[violet edge]

The rotation live now has been polished by jeb a few weeks ago

[regal kernel]

not the rotation being stucked on magma totem aoe

it seems

[violet edge]

I thought it was patched. Will take a look personally soon!

[regal kernel]

Great ty !

[violet edge]

@regal kernel @thorn nymph <@&1257962707777486900>
the updated enhancement rotation we are working on is there, just not made default for whatever reason (my bad).
to use it, just select it under /nag > Class tab > Rotation manager > then select the option in the image.

im activelly working on fixing the weave calls so they are more easily predictable

the rotation goes along with a swing timer, @daring owl shared his with us

test it out. and ping me and jeb in case you find any improvements

i will keep you guys updated here

[daring owl]

i have focused on single target only so far with this, so thats the main point it should be tested one. Im working on an AoE parts already too but that will take a while longer

[regal kernel]

hmm it seems like its working ok for single target on dummy (but at the price of no rotation for AOE I Guess °° )

Gl for the work on the aoe part @Jeb !

[violet edge]

<@&1257962707777486900> new version with major updates.. like MAJOR. i had to complete rewerite several core parts of the nag to make it as responsive as shamans needed it to be.. Plus i coded some extra things for enhances you can find under /nag > class > check the tabs bcs i forgot the exact name > read what they do bcs im exausted atm

tldr: test the autonomous weapon sync tech + the new LB/CL weaving helper + the new APL rotation

do a proper /nag reset all when you install

[regal kernel]

Incredible !

[vivid chasm]

thanks guys

looks kinda difficult to get all the new stuff haha

[violet edge]

<@&1039585074422747156> these features (besides the APL) are usable/testable even without a sub. go ahead and give them a shot.

[vivid chasm]

Where I can find documentation on how to use/interpret the new enha stuff? Im quite confused

[white idol]

Seeing this on characters I don't have the NAG pack for since the most recent shaman changes. If I /nag and then change the location of the NAG display itself it makes no difference.

Fstack shows this when I hover over it.

Anyway to disable it without it impacting the shaman character?

[violet edge]

Non shamans?

Ill patch those soon!

[daring owl]

the circle basically signifies time till a safe weave is possible, if no timer = save weave possible

[vivid chasm]

Understood

If no timer and no bright = don’t weave

Timer means I have to wait to weave

And why CL/LB icon switching sometimes?

[white idol]

I have rogue/hunter/shaman/warrior/pala + core pack. If I log onto a character which is any of these classes, it's fine.
Rogue - Rogue NAG icons appear
Hunter - Hunter NAG icons appear
etc etc.

If I log onto my priest, druid or warlock who I don't have the NAG pack for (they're level 80 profession bots I've not got around to levelling yet) the shaman weave frame loads for all of them.

Your recorded message said to set it from square to circle. When I'm on my priest, I see these options, but when I'm on my shaman (ele shaman, not sure if that's why the options aren't loading') I don't see this.

When on the priest

[violet edge]

Gotcha!!!!

[white idol]

When on the Shaman

[violet edge]

Should be restricted to shamans

Will triple check

[daring owl]

at 1 stack you can weave CL, at 2 stacks LB

[vivid chasm]

so we cast CL and LB? dont we wait for 5 ?

[daring owl]

yeah neither pause or reset your swing

so you weave them between swings

that's what weaving is about

[vivid chasm]

and how desync is incorporated? I mean, how do we know we have wep desync?

[daring owl]

you want them synced and nag does that automatically

[vivid chasm]

ah it does automatically?

[daring owl]

it should do it yeah

[vivid chasm]

so no albino is needed then

[daring owl]

afaik fonsas used snake for it

so you do need it

but maybe he can confirm @violet edge

[vivid chasm]

maybe it does automatically but I need to buy the snakes

[daring owl]

you would see if your weapons were to be not synced on your swingtimer

[daring owl]

yeah afaik you need snake and rest happens on its own but there is a setting for it

[vivid chasm]

yeah he was exhausted those days

but I think we need some basic instructions

[daring owl]

this is still very much a wip, but it's good to get some feedback (once it's clear what to give feedback on hahaha)

this is afaik the only weave helper that exists rn

[vivid chasm]

"once it's clear what to give feedback on hahaha" true story...

ahaha

first I need to understand how that stuff works LOL

[daring owl]

the big new things here are the auto sync that you can config/setup how you want it

AND the weaving helper, showing when save weaves will be available

im sadly not rly able to test till monday

it should also include a swingtimer i believe

[violet edge]

You need the albino. It manages it automatically

[violet edge]

Thes feedbacks are great. Iif the layout isnt straight forward to explain itself, then i might have to re-think it

[violet edge]

On the weaving part. Am i making you clip swings, is any calculation/prediction wrong, etc

I was presuming everybody was weaving

Hence the not so straightforward layout

[daring owl]

enha not being popular in the first place, everyone should be weaving, but it makes sense not everyone is

[vivid chasm]

I promise I try!

but you know...

I need to practice for MoP

[daring owl]

def one of the key class mechanics

people just tend to be overwhelmed by the class, so adding weaving on top is usually enough to completely confuse them

[vivid chasm]

agree

[violet edge]

Ill try to make a guitarhero layout with two strings, one for lb another for cl. Then the gaps to press them are the buttons falling down, these getting bigger and bigger the more stacks you have.. its hard to write but i think it will use guitar hero mechanics so ppl get how it works just looking at it

[daring owl]

[violet edge]

can you try with this version

[white idol]

That's fixed it. Thank you!

[vivid chasm]

@daring owl @violet edge im getting more and more used to this. However, its still quite confusing (for me at least) the LB/CL suggestions together with the LB circle with the timer in the middle

the good thing is, regardless im still tryting to adapt to the mechanics, I have just desynched 2 times in 10 min fight

I have a swing timer and it only turned red 2 times

always with less than 5 MS stacks

So I can see only 2 albino were used

in the other hand, the searing totem remains fixed at the bottom

it never disappears

so unless to take a look at the timer etc, this is not adding value like this

my understanding is, appearing before pull and then again to re-cast it when its needed

[violet edge]

Lb/cl suggestions only show when you NEED to cast it now. If they show you look for the weave helper. If the icon is full with rhe green border, with or without the green border, ypu spam it

The other things idk, id have to test and ask jeb for help

[vivid chasm]

if it has timer, I should not press it right?

[violet edge]

You press when it hits zero

And you press before the green ring completes its cycle

[daring owl]

i will have a look with the reminders once I'm back home

[vivid chasm]

[violet edge]

@vivid chasm searing totem fixed!

will be on beta curse soon

[regal kernel]

What is that thing "albino" ? °_°

[daring owl]

its the albino snake

its used to sync your weapons

[regal kernel]

wut how that lol ?

[daring owl]

using it syncs your weapon and that pet specifically doesn't cause a gcd

[regal kernel]

lol nice hahaha

great to know, thank you :]

[daring owl]

the new nag auto uses it to sync your weapons so you can weave easier

afaik it can also be configured to your needs

[regal kernel]

Oh nice, gona have to try that !

thanks for the hint !

So I just have to buy it at dalaran and the NAG will use it automaticaly to weave if i did understand right ?

[daring owl]

yup

whenever your weapons are not in sync it will do it

[regal kernel]

amazing lol

[vivid chasm]

morning! seems not to be fixed mate

still fixed at the bottom

so its not clear when to cast searing because it keeps fixed

on the other hand, seems like the albinos are not automatically triggered for sync

at least in target dummy

I have like 40 albinos and I forced desync several times and no albino was consumed

[vivid chasm]

it does shows up on the left sometimes but its not casting it

let me record a video

[daring owl]

you don't need multiple in your bags, it's a pet they don't get consumed

[vivid chasm]

okay...u right

then the topic of the searing totem that remains fixed all the time at the bottom

[violet edge]

It only casts searing flame when your tatget has the flame instatnt spell fire thingy

When it has searing flame debuff

The totem reminder will be gone

@daring owl if ypu want to make a shaman catch-up guide and introduce the nag i can hire an editor to help out

[daring owl]

im gonna be home again later today, so i will be able to test the new version and get familiar with it

it might make sense to write a small guide since there are quite a few new features in it which aren't self explanatory to new shamans

[violet edge]

Thats true! Nag has fonsas whispers to remind stuff

But they dont explain why

If you then can make this guide a video i can also help out

[daring owl]

i will see what i can cook up after playing around with it the coming days

[vivid chasm]

It remains fixed

I’m recording a quick video

okay seems like the target dummy gets searing flame stacks sometimes...

[daring owl]

using searing pre comabt will make it not attack/wait for a long time till it attacks

you want to be already in combat/attacking when dropping searing

its a fun little feature blizz added to searing

[vivid chasm]

good to know...

then call of the elemets pre pull then searing totem?

[daring owl]

surely they will work on that with mop

[daring owl]

i just never preplace my totems before the fight

its something the sim does because it starts infront of boss theoratically without any run in time and also without with searing bug

[vivid chasm]

gotcha

then flame shock into searing into SS?

[daring owl]

i personally open with SS LL Totems, UE, Weave, FS

[vivid chasm]

okay

[daring owl]

but im also open to improvements which are easier to visualize once nag has everything done

but also please report searing behavior once beta is out so blizzard maybe feels some kind of pressure from the players

im also going to report it directly to the devs if this stays that way

[vivid chasm]

much better now man

[vivid chasm]

yes, definitely

I def need to get used to 2 malestrom stacks weaving

the rest, I think im doing quite better

[regal kernel]

Anyway the rota is gonna change quite a bit with mop no ?

[daring owl]

nah its pretty much identical

slight prio changes if you play Unleashed Fury or Ele Blast

but besides that the rota stays generally the same, we just get dps cds and raid cds

[vivid chasm]

Good to know because all the effort made now in getting enha NAG polished will be worth

It won’t be like you guys have done your best now in Cata to just change everything when mop releases

[regal kernel]

Was speaking more about the actual shitty aoe 😄

[daring owl]

aoe plays the same too

[daring owl]

new APL that has the fixed searing reminder and now also includes AoE and not just single target. I have tested it myself a bit already but i would be very happy about any sort of input from your side in case i missed anything

[violet edge]

<@&1257962707777486900> check this out when you can! import it and give it a spin! it will be native to the NAG next patch.
for a guide on how to import, check https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1346531275883806740

[rustic oxide]

Will check it out when i get home tonight

[frank needle]

most changes made past 4-5 months been with mop and beyond in mind, or at least attempting to as much as we can. I've tried and am continueing to dynamically do as much as possible under the hood so when new 'flavors' come out will just be matter of rerunning parsers and some minor tweaks other than w/e major changes there are.... Waiting on that beta invite 😛

[daring owl]

for mop we will have 3 different slightly different rotas depending on talent choices and i will need to add an fire ele reminder. But im already collecting data for mop enha

[vivid chasm]

Again guys, thank you very much for all the effort

[daring owl]

any sort of error message when you press accept?

the name should be something along the lines of "AoE vers 1.0"

yes

might it be related to version differences? I highly doubt it but im running the latest beta version

on curseforge, versions, you will find the beta versions and full releases

i just tried importing it myself on version 4.2.2 and it did work

yeah it checks for enemy targets within 10 yards of the player

both the weave helper and the rotation recommendation will change according to how many enemies are around you

if you need any help with that, let me now

fonsas also said some things about it in this channel

[violet edge]

Either works.
Usually left is single target and right is AOE

[daring owl]

at one maelstrom stack you can weave chain lightnings on single target for a dps gain

the one on top was setup by me as a reminder for imbues/buffs but i dont know if those settings are included in an export (i dont think they are)

[daring owl]

perhaps something that can be setup as default in the next big release where the APL i shared will be default too

[violet edge]

thats a bug im trying to fix. quicl solve: make CL be slotted at the top in /nag > class > spell locations

quick tip btw, if you see CL/LB you are or will land (after GCD) in the safe gap to cast it. just spam them for an easy weave

[violet edge]

That LB poping up right there doenst mean you should try to weave a cast when possible. It means its possible to weave one now without clipping your weapon swings

[vivid chasm]

latest version is 4.2.2 rc6 right? (beta)

[daring owl]

thats the newest beta version on curseforge atleast, yeah

[fossil eagle]

so idk if it is because i am leveling but its telling me to drop searing at the bottom there but i have it down im super confused

it is also calling for me to earthshock and no flame shocks, is this due to me leveling and it bugging out? im new to enhance and shaman so im not sure.

[daring owl]

is my latest apl already default in the latest version of NAG? That might have already fixed a couple behaviors, besides the debuff check ofcourse

[violet edge]

Idk yet, im just way to deep into mop atm.
Can you share the import string here?

Plz

So we pin it

[daring owl]

its pinned already

but idk if there was an update since then

[violet edge]

Btw <@&1257962707777486900> <@&1039585074422747156>
Check this guide by jeb!
https://youtu.be/L-kAbNbFEwc

[violet edge]

No, we haven't updated cata. So ppl will need to import the string

Ill only touch cata again after mop is done

Its progressing well, though

[daring owl]

aight then @fossil eagle try the string that is the latest pin

[violet edge]

Will be mass testable soon

[fossil eagle]

this makes sense actually ty!

[fossil eagle]

and i believe it is, its named something like snek weaving

[daring owl]

the one i shared about be something like AoE V1

[fossil eagle]

also is there an explanation to snake weaving? im assuming its an item

[violet edge]

Video!

[fossil eagle]

i will import that string next time im on my shaman

been also playing around in beta

so far im lvl 37 on a brewmaster monk purely leveling only by soloing dungeon content beyond lvl 15

[daring owl]

i did fix some searing detection in there but since its not a pet or buff you can only rly check it through its debuff

feel free to let me know if you notice anything else once you imported the new apl

[fossil eagle]

will do

if only blizzard didnt disable the range function you probably could have used it to track if the totem is within range of the player and if so set it to not show

[solid urchin]

Small note about albino snake: Even if you already have a pet in your collection, you'll still need to go buy the Albino snake on the character you're gonna use it on. Or maybe it is unique to the wow subscription. I was able to summon the snake on my 2nd sub, but the weakaura and macro would not work until i actually bought the snake again.

[daring owl]

nah you are correct, each char needs their own personal snake for some reason

[solid urchin]

i was very for a while cuz i was snake weaving in wrath but it wasnt working on a new character lol

[daring owl]

it left me very confused as well

[regal kernel]

Hey are you planning to release the enh sham nag for mop beta ? :p

[daring owl]

i will try to provide a baseline rotation without the level 90 talents soon

[violet edge]

new weaver in the over boys
playing around with these BGs now lmao

the upper is the old WA we are phasing out

cant be more intuitive that that, right? @fossil eagle @vivid chasm

[fossil eagle]

this is pretty neat lookin

reminds me a little bit of the guitar hero runes

[violet edge]

haha yeah https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1346536482604712038/1379962127787495617/20250604-2315-51.4352304.mp4?ex=68422561&is=6840d3e1&hm=49e60f0aab1b26318ab994d92ea52fd5b0b445a3134414602901ca0394daed5e&

i will leave it to be customizable

can pick nothing too

[violet edge]

i will remake that

not WAs anymore, inside the addon

[fossil eagle]

yooooo

im excited for the future of the nag

[regal kernel]

Nice ! Any news for a beta rotation version ?

[violet edge]

Jeb sent a few sketches.
But everything should go faster when we get wowsims actually released

[dusk trench]

there a reason why NAG keeps reminding me to drop Searing Totem, even though its already down?

[fossil eagle]

Jeb answered that here

@dusk trench

[regal kernel]

Hey guys

I've tried enhance weapon sync with albino snaek on mop beta (ON DUMMY), and it doesnt seem to work. The Nag addon whispers me that even tho I have an albino snake, it can't sync my weapon.

It's a premade lvl 90 character template, so I made the trip to dalaran to buy the albino snake (cuz the character didn't have any)

[violet edge]

Please enable debug umder /nag

And set print level to trace

It will print what it is trying to do

See if that gives more hint

[regal kernel]

I guess it might be because of the beta server lag

[violet edge]

MoP Shaman

[karmic sapphire]

anyone have their enhance shaman nag stuck on searing totem? i have the latest update from today

nvm i found it in https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1387846351282245682

[violet edge]

should be to the side by default now

[regal kernel]

Any chance we get a MoP nag rotation when prepatch hit ?

[violet edge]

@daring owl will soon have more polished rotations

but in short, i already have 3 to send

will do them now

[regal kernel]

nice !

[vivid chasm]

@daring owl hey mister! What has been changed from the last Enha update? I can see now is not "really" needed to look into the weaving bar? (but recommended ofc)

is it NAG now telling you the optimal moment to weave by adding the icon spell to the right (good time to weave?) and to te middle (optimal time to weave?)

but it needs to react quickly?

[daring owl]

With MoP weaving becomes an even higher prio compared to cata. Whenever it recommends you to press LB/CL/EB it already checked your swingtimer to confirm that the spell would be weaveable. Confirming with your own weaving bar is important to see upcoming weaves ahead of time but also checking your global if it will fit the weave in time

[vivid chasm]

thanks for the explanation, as always.

[vivid chasm]

LB/CL/EB will always be shown to the right (good time to weave) or to the middle (optimal time to weave)?

[daring owl]

optimal will be always middle as that would be your next ability to use either way

[regal kernel]

Hey

Just tried the new nag version on dummy on beta

Seems like it always recommend casting LB on right side (even without maelstrom charges, the icon is always showing) while CL only shows on right side when it should be weaved.

The bottom icon for searing totem never disappear even if searing totem is out

Other things in rotation seems to be working fine. (Even tho I was quite surprised when the NAG told me to pop earth elemental in middle )

Will test it further on dummy when i've got time

/e : And the main icon sometimes don't tell me to cast lb/cs with full maelstrom stack and everything else on cd
And aoe rotation doesnt seem to work on 4 target (as I see, fire nova is not in the spell locations tab so I guess aoe is not yet in the rotation)

/e2: Yeah middle button kinda never tells me to weave even tho everything else is on cd and 3-4+ maelstrom stacks

Fire elem and stormlash are never suggested like ascendance on the right side

[regal kernel]

Sry if I made a big post, but hope it help

(Now that I think of it, it maybe was just a weave update and not the full rotation ?)

[daring owl]

full big updates will come once i get around to implement the new apl with the changes necessary to make it work smoothly in nag, so this is more of an update to make it workable in mop. The check with searing i think i already know whats wrong since the searing flame debuff was changed to a buff

in regards to the weave recommendations @violet edge should know since he did the logic about them showing to the sides at times

stormlash i wouldn't recommend in there, i think its better to be tracked elsewhere in case you got multiple shamans and an order assigned to them

fire ele def should be recommended, i will look into that

[regal kernel]

True for stormlash and thanks for the great work !

[violet edge]

right is what you should weave but not in gap yet.. center is the OH SHIT PRESS IT moment

[violet edge]

this is bcs you can weave, even without MS charges, no? no

[regal kernel]

@violet edge Yes, but i saw that sometimes even when everything was on cd (like 4+ seconds on next ability), with maelstrom stack, the middle button wouldn't suggest a CL or LB

[violet edge]

ok so, its telling you that weave is in prio queue, it will pop in the middle when you hate the gap for it

[violet edge]

the middle only suggests when you can actually press it

[regal kernel]

hmm okay

[violet edge]

it should chante icons

[regal kernel]

will give it another try with those explanations, ty

[violet edge]

im working on a glow effect to highlight the OH SHIT moment

if you are indeed with full MS stacks it would change the middle icon instantaly

from my tests

[regal kernel]

pretty sure it did not, cant test right now tho

[violet edge]

plz do, it should

[regal kernel]

might it be because I tried it on dummy

[violet edge]

it should work on dummies too

[regal kernel]

will try later today when i get back from work thanks

And about LB always showing on the right side ?

[violet edge]

Same behavior, it should pop in the middle when in the weave gap.
Ill check again

[regal kernel]

just asking this because chain lightning only pop on the right side when you can actualy weave it correctly

see here, i'm doing nothing just waiting for cd, neither CL or LB is showing in middle instead of the 2sec cd stormstrike

when i'm at full mael

here you can see that i have 0 maelstrom stack and right side is suggesting lb and CL

while not on weave "safe zone"

(sry my weave bar is a bit hidden, just moved it fast when i installed it)

duno if it made it clearer

another one when i'm at full maelstrom, everything on cd and the nag not showing either LB or CL in middle

i'll try to take a video caption of it when i have more time

[violet edge]

move your weaver! let me seeeeeeeee

i worked a week on it, dont hide it please

hahahah

[violet edge]

alrght!!

[regal kernel]

Don't worry, i tried the weaver alone a lot, it's fantastic 😄

it's just today i installed the new nag on beta and put it there quickly to test lol

later today i'll give it a try

[violet edge]

nvm i fucked up on that one, its worse.. let me test some myself

[violet edge]

ty for the reports! it was a bug on my positioning algorithm

got it patched

[regal kernel]

👍

Already uploaded to test it ? Or in next release ? 😄 and btw Will it work on mop prepatch ?

[violet edge]

Yes it will work on prepatch. I need a few hours to push

Wife said no more work for a few hours

I'm hidden in the bathroom answering you

[regal kernel]

Hehe Nice ! Dont get catch !

[vivid chasm]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[regal kernel]

i wanna teeest

[violet edge]

hahah im still patching some small shit in the weaving bar

but here it is

informal releases here we go

[regal kernel]

ty !

[violet edge]

also, clear your WTF folders

it was causing problems here

at least all NAG related files from WTF

[regal kernel]

oh

isnt a /nag_reset doing it ?

[violet edge]

control F 'nag' inside the wtf and delete all that pops

no, for some reason some persist

[regal kernel]

roger, gonna do that

[violet edge]

some old version broke it

we are at the 70th alpha release so

not worth looking where it broke

[regal kernel]

okaaaaaaaaay

now i see what you wanted to do

that's realy great, nice work !

and when jeb gonna add aoe / fire golem suggest its gonna be realy sick

nice works guys 👍

[violet edge]

problem im at right now is that theres some delay between the press and start casting

which is clipping the swing

if you go too tight

[regal kernel]

yeah saw a bit of that

and i guess my MS on beta isnt helping either

[violet edge]

technically the math would work but you pressing and taking 200ms to start casting is killing it

im trying to adapt around that

[regal kernel]

i'm at 110 ms it's not helping for sure

[violet edge]

even added a safezone bar, but i didnt like it. i wanted you to be able to press whereever it shows, if youre in the gap youre in the gap

the gap itself should adapt

[regal kernel]

should be way better on mop prepatch tho

with our servers latency

my snaek is happy to be out again

[violet edge]

auto summons on? haha cool
jeb said hes happy with the presets atm

its not bothering to sync if you swap targets too often

or if your targets die fast

but they are tweakable

[regal kernel]

i'm having no issues with the basic presets

except when serv is lagging like hell

I hate mop beta server

[violet edge]

i made server lag to be included in the weaver

and now am making a multiplier value that checks/adjusts the bar if youre clipping swings

https://tenor.com/view/jump-hole-brave-daredevil-gif-7881831

quick fixes on shamans is always like

[regal kernel]

never ending work

[violet edge]

got it

its not only lag

theres 200ms builtin delay from the moment you click to the moment you start casting

you can queue that by aligning gcds one after the other

but if youre waiting

200 flat ms

cast time in my tests, the moment i sent

when comparing timestamps in wow

or in my case this is what happened in order

gained a haste effect

casted

lost the haste effect

the cast time in the tooltip changed

the actual cast time didnt

kekw blizzard

[regal kernel]

that's some black magic you're speaking of for me hahaha

[violet edge]

that on top of the 200ms delay from when you click to when you start casting

i neecd to get these out

i mean

it helps me thing

think

you dont necesseraly have to answer hahah

[regal kernel]

okay

[violet edge]

action bar updates 200ms prio

exactly 200ms

then the spell cast is sent, with its casting time being full time

[violet edge]

didnt mean to be rude

sorry

[regal kernel]

haha i'm joking dont worry

[violet edge]

in other words ill have to add 200 ms + user input + lag

userinput delay

[violet edge]

Oh and there's the spell haste too.. it reduces the tool tip cast time but doesn't reduce the actual cast time

Did you know that bug @daring owl ?

[daring owl]

never seen that one

[violet edge]

Yeahh, I've been getting nag prompts telling me I'm safe to weave and they kept clipping swings.. so I investigated

Mw stacks work

Just other spell haste effect s that dont

[violet edge]

ok so i had an idea

@regal kernel follow me on that one

WHAT IF

i go guitar hero all the way

something like

im clicking LMAO

hence why i clipped a swing there

ill add a third line with your other core spells falling off

as they get off cd

just for aesthetics

[violet edge]

like this

[regal kernel]

no idea i've never played guitar hero lulz

but i see what you want to do

personaly, i prefer to have distinct things

like the weaver on top of the "rotations + cd suggest"

but visualy yours is better yes

[violet edge]

youll be able to select between both styles

im loving it

time to use the upper part

[violet edge]

hell yeah

[vivid chasm]

It looks great tbh

[torn roost]

Looks super good

[violet edge]

thanks guys

3+ weeks of work just for the weaver lmao

[torn roost]

So you cast your abilities before the white? And weave on the black?

[violet edge]

its just like guitar hero, you cast while the bar is actively touching the left side. if the bar is gone, dont cast or else you clip swings

[torn roost]

Fancy

[daring owl]

basically the white line moving is your swing hitting your target, after that are the lines for your weaveable spells. Like Fonsas said these bars need to hit the left side before you can weave, meaning you need to be early into your next swing

[torn roost]

Got it, I'm bout to play the fuck outta enh this xpac

[vivid chasm]

What if the spells are on the left inside from the bar?

White bar and spells right after white bar means I have to weave that spell before the white bar is gone?

[violet edge]

means you wait for the swing

and you weave when the bars or icons are activelly touching the left side

[vivid chasm]

AKA fuck don’t weave ?

[violet edge]

yes

AKA upcoming gap

[vivid chasm]

Gotcha

[vivid chasm]

But always white bar followed by the spell

The distance between white bar and the spells ?

[violet edge]

i have no idea what you talking about

let me illustrate

[vivid chasm]

Ahhh okay the distance is the cast time?

[violet edge]

this is the weave barsee how it comes from the right to the left..
White is your swing..
weaving means you want to cast and finish cast before white bar hits the left side.

nothing touching the left side means you CANNOT weave now, if you do you will clip swings.. meaning you will reset your swings and F yourself.

the upcoming gap is illustrated right after the swing bar via the two lines

[daring owl]

the bar ilustrates the window you got to weave after your swing hits your target

[violet edge]

in this second case the swing just happened ( white bar all the way tot the right) you are in the active gap touching left.. you weave
you can start casting these spells anywhere from this moment to right before the icons themselves hit the left side

the gray bar means where the GCD is going to land (right at the black mark) In this image the GCD will land in a spot that might be too late for LB but its just fine for EB (purpple).. so even if tight, if you spam EB youre fine

if you start casting TOO late your GCD bar will turn red. you should cancel the cast.. or just play along and eat the L

here I started weaving when the bars were touching the left side.. GCD bar green, we gucci

the second layout is this with extra steps

NAG in the left telling you to cast a blue glowy spell (LMAO, sorry for not remembering)
the weaving bar to the right, as the above..

with the adition that now your spell CDs also fall

the spells cd up top mean nothing, just a CD tracker

the actual weave bar is the bottom part

NAG also tells you what you should weave and when

now understanding this, watch this video again https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347562576774434846/1389756718132625498/20250701-2355-53.4495587.mp4?ex=6866700e&is=68651e8e&hm=930f0bee819ac272b0d6ab5460122907fd3aa896f6fd071ba4cbafef036497ef&

the magic here happens bcs the NAG is tracking exactly where your GCD is going to land and making calls if you should weave or throw something else

meaning

brotha

you gotta spamm that LB/CL/EB icons when the NAG tells you to weave

the gap sometimes is short, but doable

ggs, youre owning

just buy your snake and chill

[vivid chasm]

Hahahahaha

You are a genius

Very well explained

I’ll just basically follow the NAG

As you said, if LB/CL/EB pops…ohhh man just press it

It does also counts on the maelstrom stack right?

Yes, of course

It’s also suggesting to weave when less than 5 MS stack

So it’s fine

[violet edge]

yes, everything

haste procs

all

your latency

[vivid chasm]

Wow…

Fuck yeah man the enha NAG is ready then???

Nothing to polish?

[daring owl]

apl needs a little bit of Polish but not a lot, need to double check the aoe breakpoints if they changed compared to cata but i dont think so

[vivid chasm]

Awesome

Thank you very much guys

[violet edge]

pretty much. anything that comes after we just update with 2 clicks and 2 line edits

i will just make the default weaver a lil bit wider as jeb requested

[vivid chasm]

That would be good as well

[torn roost]

I appreciate the whisper. I didn't have a snake

The point of the snake is reset your swings? So I'd use that after taking the L on a weave?

[violet edge]

Snake syncs both your weapons

So they are hitting the target at same given time

So you're not clipping any of them when you weave

[vivid chasm]

Btw @violet edge all that great stuff is already in place writhing the current NAG version?

Just to spend time in dummy to practice

[violet edge]

yes

[violet edge]

Shaman ele to be re-done.. fixed a lot or stuff for a lot of casters

[humble reef]

Hello, all! Sorry if this has been asked 100 times: is there going to be any support for MW in the NAG?

[carmine cedar]

You'd prob be better off asking that in either the monk or #general-sub-chat your asking this is in the shaman channel. Which it just isn't relevant to.

[neon dew]

@violet edge Hey man was wondering it would be possible to have some custom options in there for the WA to be less spammy? Like for example if I wanted to activate on 3-4 maelstrom weave only / no CL weave only LB etc

so it's more "slower" to the eye

[umbral matrix]

Can there be an option that Searing Totem is not shown when it is Placed allrdy ?

[violet edge]

it only goes off when the totem starts attacking

[violet edge]

mann, yes.. but that would more or less kill the idea of having a NAG for it. the cool part is that if you chain gcd cast after gcd cast it can sqeeze the tightest of the weaves with ease

i ges its sometimes moving fast.. id suggest to put CL/EB/LB on keys you can spam click really easy and fast so you react as fast as possible.
when it comes to the moments you got nothing to do and is waiting for a spell to be ready.. then you take a look at the weave bar so youre able to know when its going to swap for what spell and how much time you got to react to that

[normal kestrel]

currently for me it stays even when searing totem is attack. This is as elemental

[violet edge]

ill take a look! but a quick fix is to remove the totem reminder under /nag > class > spell position

[violet edge]

i got the errors ! fixed it

ty for reporting

[normal kestrel]

Thank you for the fix. If there is anything else I’ll report it 🙂

[violet edge]

ill send you the rotation in a sec

[violet edge]

when you can, please go to /nag > class > rotation helper > click to edit ELE SINGLE TARGET rotation and paste this there

    NAG:Cast(120668, 'LEFT')
    or ((not NAG:IsTotemActive(3599)) and (not NAG:IsTotemActive(2894))) and NAG:Cast(2894, 'LEFT')
    or (NAG:CurrentTime() < 5) and NAG:Cast(16166)
    or ((NAG:RemainingTime() <= 26) or (NAG:AuraIsActive(16166) and (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 105)) or (NAG:AuraIsActive(16166) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 10)) or (NAG:AuraIsActive(16166) and NAG:AuraIsActive(114049)) or NAG:AuraIsActive(114049)) and NAG:Cast(76093)
    or ((NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) >= 85.0) or (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 4)) and NAG:Cast(16166)
    or (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) > NAG:SpellCastTime(51505)) and NAG:Cast(51505)
    or (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) > 15) and NAG:Cast(114049, 'LEFT')
    or (NAG:DotRemainingTime(8050) < 2) and NAG:Cast(8050)
    or NAG:SpellIsKnown(117014) and NAG:Cast(117014) 
    or ((not NAG:IsTotemActive(2894)) and (not NAG:IsTotemActive(3599))) and NAG:Cast(3599, "DOWN")
    or (NAG:AuraNumStacks(324) >= 7) and NAG:Cast(8042)
    or (((not NAG:IsTotemActive(2894)) and (NAG:RemainingTime() >= 5) and (NAG:SpellTimeToReady(114049) <= 20)) or (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 62)) and NAG:Cast(2062, 'LEFT')
    or NAG:Cast(403)

also, please right click the selector and disable auto swapping rotations
set your rotation for ELE AOE and tell me how totems look

if you miss anything, ill just add

[normal kestrel]

it works! Thank you!

[regal kernel]

hey guys, sometimes when i switch from enh to heal and switch back to enh, nag come back with a "NAG ON TEST MODE" text on it ?

[violet edge]

oh crap.. does a reload solve?

[regal kernel]

Nope

[crude spoke]

Can you set a Red tint over a spell if you're out of range to use it?

[vivid chasm]

@violet edge @daring owl very very intuitive guys. Ive been spending long time testing this and I could say I would have failed couple weaves in 30 mins

only the format is what I would make wider

and anchored to the NAG because when I move it, both weave helper and NAG are separated

[tawdry finch]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[violet edge]

Does it anchor back in place when you reload?

You can actually make it wider under /nag > class

[violet edge]

Ill add that as an option

[vivid chasm]

yes, but not well tighted

also Fonsas, I tried to find feral spirits and BL to change to display feral on the left and BL on top but those spell are not part of the spell list locations

since those are blurred behing the weaving bar

Might be possible to have a scale option for both NAG and weaving bars ? So if I change the scale both modules are adapted accordingly so they both are always tight and anchored each other

[floral blaze]

I got the same, well anoying :/

[violet edge]

Try the default rotation. These spells should not be on the right side

/nag > class > rotation manager

Then select the default oland/or delete all rotations you can delete

I do have work to do, I know.
@floral blaze and @vivid chasm
They need to be anchoring on the go and be 2 different modules so you can adjust as you like.
A quick fix is to not use the preset and use the regular bars. You can also find that under /nag, class

For now I need to finish mages and then wrap up the prepull and burst trackers

[vivid chasm]

its defaulted already

[violet edge]

There should be no spells to the right at all

Let me check again

[violet edge]

what sorcery is this brother.. these two are literally hardcoded to be on the left

do me a favor

[vivid chasm]

hahaha

[violet edge]

when we change how stuff are tracked

there might be remainign files with old configs

please check your WTF folder

control F, look for 'NAG'

delete all saved variables

left here

they should also only show when you got nothing else to do

thats in the APL

[vivid chasm]

that format is the one im looking for

[violet edge]

why you seeing them with LB

theres something wrong with your APL. try the WTF delete fix

dont delete the whole folder

just NAG variables

[violet edge]

got a chance to test now?

[vivid chasm]

im on it!

@violet edge not able to delete those

[violet edge]

you prob already did. it worked first time

try searching again

windows is weird

[vivid chasm]

now nothing is there

what shall I do after deleting the nag files from WTF?

@violet edge

[violet edge]

what does it look like ingame?

your keys were prob deleted too

import new ones

the default is to make it hide out of combat

[vivid chasm]

shall /reset before?

[violet edge]

yeah do that too

[vivid chasm]

same

nothing changed

[violet edge]

these are NOT nag

different borders

do you have an old NAG WA?

no WAs needed anymore!

[vivid chasm]

maybe this?

yes yes

I havent clean up for shaman

just removed the WA

solved guys

but I find it quite a lot laggy in dummy

[vivid chasm]

Hello @daring owl . I hope you are doing fine!!

Just read your phase 1 guide carefully and it’s pretty clear so thanks a lot.

However, I see the opener is Feral > SS > Fire elemental > EM + cool-downs > LL

Can you please share some macro/s that makes the cool-downs easier to align? Instead of pressing all of them one by one?

Like EM + macro/s > LL

And also, once the fire elemental is down, we use searing totem till fire elemental is ready back so we align cool-downs for it again

[daring owl]

i do have a macro that uses all my off gcd stuff together + ascendance which i press after my first stormstrike

i can send tomorrow

[vivid chasm]

That would be awesome

Thank you

[vivid chasm]

The idea is to press the macro will all the CDS to have a better fire elemental snapshot right?

So before FE but not after

I think the guide says before FE?

[violet edge]

I don't think any pet/guardian snapshot anymore

All dynamic

[daring owl]

it does not snapshot anymore, it updates every 5s

[vivid chasm]

Okay then it does not have major impact CDs burst before or after fire elemental?

[daring owl]

aye

it is important tho to have your agi procs up for ascendance, since stormblast is scaling rly well with ap

[vivid chasm]

Okay I get it

That macro you use I assume it casts ascendance at the end?

After the first SS

[daring owl]

ascendance always after ss since it resets the cd of ss and replaces it with stormblast

[vivid chasm]

Gotcha. Feral>SS>macro + ascendance > fire ele

Thanks bro

[daring owl]

I'm not sure if the full rotation guide is out on Wowhead, i only recently handed it in for review

[vivid chasm]

I dont think it is

At least I did not find it

[daring owl]

review was 2 days ago, give it a bit. It will be updated with mop abilities/cds

[vivid chasm]

Okay good

Is the one pinned in the shaman dc?

[daring owl]

that's just the overview

[vivid chasm]

I can only see the guides were updated on 1/2nd July

But anyways, I have time enough

I just need to keep practicing

🤙🏼

[violet edge]

and no PTR, no Shaman to test the layout improvements in the weaver

https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-10607292567092564523

[regal kernel]

No idea why but, EVERYTIME i'm doing theramore scenario, after leaving, NAG goes on "NAG IN TEST MODE"

Only way to remove the line is to /nag reset all and put my key back

quite annoying since i have to redo all my settings (size, weave bar etc)

also tried with latest version, and deleted wtf folders files

@violet edge @frank needle

[frank needle]

made another issue for it. Yes this would be very frustrating, not quite sure where that whole hting started though so debugging it diff haha. ... @violet edge 🙂 lol

@regal kernel

this just on the shm ya @regal kernel ?

or it happen on dk or others too

[regal kernel]

on sham

for the sham (which i have subscribed) it does it everytime

going out of a dungeon systematicaly put nag in test mod

and sometimes changing spec (changing from enh => healer then changing healer => enh) does weird thing

then i do a reload to fix the weird things, and it put nag on test mod

literaly tried everything that was said on discord to fix the bug

it does fix it, but it come back as soon as i'm playing lol

Will try a bit more tomorrow, i've cleaned some things from my old WA and shit, will see if it fix things

[frank needle]

id check if it does it w/ weakauras disabled fully. esp if it's fully repeatable as ya mentioned.

@regal kernel

[violet edge]

please try to record one of those. we will be looking for patterns of when it happens.. do a /nag and also record your tabs. If i manage to locate what triggers it i will be able to fix

[vivid chasm]

hi experts. Why NAG is always suggesting unleash elements as first action?

according to the guides, should be SS right?

Feral > SS > CDS > Fire ele > LL > UE > Flame shock > Earth shock

so in terms of main actions shouldnt be SS>LL>UE>FS>ES?

[daring owl]

i did set up the apl to suggest UE while at range to fill empty gcds

makes the recommendations more fluid

[vivid chasm]

Ahhh

But it’s even suggesting UE at melee as well

At least in the dummy

[daring owl]

maybe something changed with the last apl adjustments coming into mop, but the general idea is to always recommend it at a certain distance to the enemy

but regardless of that its still not a bad gcd generally speaking, since flameshock is very strong in mop. Are you practicing on live realms or beta?

[violet edge]

i can add a range check

and then place it again at the bottom

[daring owl]

was 10 yards i think

[violet edge]

where does it usually go`?

[daring owl]

wasnt it in the placeholders i send? I need to check later after work

[vivid chasm]

Live

I mean I’m following the NAG at the pre patch

I understand it might make no sense but it’s just to be used to it and practice

[vivid chasm]

@daring owl please share the burst macro when u have time after work m8 🙂 the one for MoP and the one used now at pre-patch

im feeling a bit overwhelmed with so many CDs to pay attention to

hahaha

[daring owl]

/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ascendance
/use Elemental Mastery
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Lifeblood

its rly nothing special

my gloves are actually on most of my binds, but you could send them there too if you wanted to with /use 10

[vivid chasm]

ty brody

[violet edge]

added a range check to UE first call

[pine moon]

hey can you link weakaura in chat?

[violet edge]

https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1288840702851285093
No WA needed, just the addon

[vivid chasm]

Hey guys. Is there something pending to polish here?

What about making the weave bar wider?

So that we can increase the size all together?

[violet edge]

/nag > classes > weave bar > weave bar
the prefix is the rigid one

disable the prefix

preset**

go with a full custom option

[vivid chasm]

I’ll try but sounds too complicated for me 😆

[violet edge]

it really isnt!

[vivid chasm]

I will try to customise!

[regal kernel]

aoe rota ? 😄

[daring owl]

should be in afaik

[vivid chasm]

Hmmmm I think fire nova is never suggested 99% sure mate

CL yes

When cleve time

Cleave *

[daring owl]

which rotation are you using?

[vivid chasm]

I’ll check when I get home

[daring owl]

i know my cata one had all the AoE in it and i thought that was the one we modified for mop

[daring owl]

i think that one doesnt have aoe in it

[vivid chasm]

I did not touch anything...just updating NAG

@violet edge need your heeeeelp

whats the right and most updated enha version that might be set up as default?

[daring owl]

i will have to compare the cata aoe apl to the current and add the missing stuff

but thats after msv race

[vivid chasm]

of course

are you in main roster man?

will it be streamed?

[daring owl]

race will be streamed

[vivid chasm]

by you?

[vivid chasm]

Waiting to have the correct rotation by default with aoe guys

My shammy needs to start doing his stuff

🦃🦃

[daring owl]

if someone wants to test the MoP rota with AoE function, this is the first version and some feedback would be appreciated

[safe matrix]

Can someone clarify for me, for Single Target rotations, with the Unleash Elements talent, I should channel the LB cast, then UE while it's in the air, right?

[daring owl]

might i ask what made you believe that?

[safe matrix]

Might just be from my inexperience, I went through the sim and it seemed to be casting that way, so I was trying to verify the correct cast priority

[daring owl]

you dont need to force yourself into such a sequence

Unleash Elements empower your next fire spell, usually you want to empower your flameshock and with the unleashed fury talent it also buffs your lightning bolts against the target its used on. That means after you used UE you will want to prio lighnting bolts more

[safe matrix]

It doesn't seem that my NAG is consistently calling for UE casts, at least on on CD like the sim seems to do, so partially just trying to make sure I understand what I'm meant to be casting. Which talent build does the NAG suggest?

[daring owl]

i think its mainly setup for Elemental Blast

well and PE since on PE nothing changes in your rota

[safe matrix]

That makes sense. I think if you're a god gamer, Unleashed Fury sims a bit better, but it alters your whole gameplay lol

[daring owl]

i think actually the unleashed fury sims the worse out of the 3 on a pure single target non moving boss

but it has its moments in raid

[violet edge]

how did it go? can i add the ones above? hah
ty for sharing man

[daring owl]

i couldn't do much testing, I'm hoping someone else might also give it a shot

maybe @vivid chasm if he has time

[vivid chasm]

I have been full focused on the DK and Retri broskis

but I will!

[daring owl]

no worries

[orchid kelp]

Hi, quick question — I started using the free version of NAG for Elemental Shaman, but I don’t see Unleash Elements in the rotation. Is that expected, or is it a limitation of the free version (i.e., it doesn’t include the full/optimized rotation)?

[fiery ether]

I wasn’t aware that there is a free version…

[daring owl]

there is a free version, but it doesnt include any of the rotation helpers

without a sub you can also see those in safe zones to see how it looks

[orchid kelp]

In the safe zone, the free rotation behaves the same as the subscription version ?. This suggests that the elemental may not be fully optimized yet

[daring owl]

the APLs are the same as far as i know

but i also think there is no ele apl specialist here atm

i only do enha

[fiery ether]

Silly question… do you have unleashed fury talented?

[fiery ether]

It sims lower than not using it unless it’s talented…

[orchid kelp]

i take it on spec yes

[torn roost]

remind me how to get the weave bar please

[violet edge]

As enhance it will just show.
Its fully configurable under /nag >class > weave bars

[rich vapor]

@violet edge I convinced my guildy to pick up the NAG for ele shaman, since I swear by it for hunter/dk/war

His damage in raid is piss poor, when diving through his logs i had noticed he hadn't had a single cast of unleashed elements when talented in the 90 talent over the course of the entire MSV raid.

He stated it never once prompted him to cast it. Not sure if this is a bug or what. Wanted to bring to your attention for either clarification or a possible fix

[daring owl]

i have an apl posted above ready for testing

probably needs some tweaking, so feedback is appreciated

everyone can copy it into their nag ingame

[daring owl]

this one

[vivid chasm]

copy the text an import from the rotation manager

[daring owl]

yeah create an empty rotation in the rotation manager and copy the text into that

[daring owl]

gonna take a look in 2h when im done at work

might just be formatting

[regal kernel]

I did tried the aoe APL (forgot to post feedback lol)

It seemed to work fine, only thing I noticed is the searing totem icon always poping in middle instead of popping below. Maybe sometimes, it had some issues with getting constant fire shock spread and was doing "single" fire nova.

By that I mean that sometimes the fire shock was not always spread before pressing fire nova (and of course, after lava lash everything went good again)

I tried that on training dummies tho, might be different in raid/dungeons

[daring owl]

it has breakpoints for 2-3, 4 and 4+ targets iirc

[daring owl]

i jsut imported it myself and it did work. Are you sure you copied over everything? Sometimes the file preview of discord isnt showing everything is the file is too long

ye thats a global problem

can take 5-60 minutes to launch atm xd

[daring owl]

im on nag 50503, the latest release on curseforge you might be running some experimental version perhaps? since yours says 50504 which might be a beta release

[daring owl]

minor changes with UE usage

[rich vapor]

Bump

[daring owl]

import worked this time?

[daring owl]

@violet edge if you could take a look when you got some time

[daring owl]

all the updates lately making me dizzy

[vivid chasm]

Overall how does it look?

I haven’t had time yet

[daring owl]

i had it overlayed in my last stream, need to review the footage later

[vivid chasm]

👀👀👀👀

Your feedback will be always the most important LOL

[violet edge]

i took wowsims and made some improvements, but its old at this point. i will re-look.
@daring owl have you got an ele chad to help out?

[violet edge]

also @daring owl , I got lost.
what are ppl trying to import?

[vivid chasm]

seems like the efault rotation is not the right one

because AoE is not in there

plus other improvements that Sir Jeb have been oing

[daring owl]

he didnt answer me yet, but he is generally not super motivated sadly

[daring owl]

my aoe test apl, it didn't work with some version of the addon that got pushed lately

[violet edge]

i dont have a shaman to test and PTR is down, can you plz check with the latest beta version?

[daring owl]

yeah i will check in a bit. Also i should be able to review my raid footage this weekend to see how the aoe apl is performing

[rich vapor]

thanks for responding fonsas! ❤️

[daring owl]

it does not work

this is the error

i did a full reset after updating as well

used this version

on the latest release version it does work

[violet edge]

Now we getting somewhere. Thats an easy fix

Send me your apl plz

[daring owl]

modified the one you made as a placeholder with my aoe code

i checked the VoD and overall it looked quite solid already

one like very prolonged aoe with many target swaps and movement like before garajal it might miss 1-2 fresh flameshocks spreads but i cant rly think of any way to reliably get that in there

[violet edge]

its just that 'LEFT' and other positions changed to NAG.SPELL_POSITIONS.LEFT instead of a string

[daring owl]

alright, thatdoes sound quite simple ye

[violet edge]

see if it works

[daring owl]

yup this works, this syntax change probably also affected some other classes from what it looks like

but nice, i think we can use this code as the default enha one imo

[violet edge]

done! just pushed a new beta with this as default

[fiery ether]

god bless you nerds - Signed, a boomer gamer trying to keep up.

[smoky cloud]

i installed the beta 13 release but there are no new rotations?

[violet edge]

its the new enhancement default that was updated

it now has AOE in it

plust jeb's changes

[smoky cloud]

ah ok was playing elemental. any update on a rotation with UE in it?

if talented that is

[violet edge]

Will check now

[violet edge]

Haven't had time to check earlier today. Will have to send later.

[mossy junco]

how optimized is ele single/aoe

[mossy junco]

ele shaman needs some work - aoe is not implemented

[violet edge]

ele needs work, true. i will be remaking it soon

give me a few days

[mossy junco]

thanks fonsas

[mossy junco]

just some things to look out for - NAG is suggesting spells that are in asecendancy mode when you are out of it or didnt cast it yet

[violet edge]

what do you mean?

[mossy junco]

it recommends lava beam when as part of the regular rotation

[mossy junco]

it seems to only happen after i use ascendance

[regal kernel]

ok after multiple try, i can tell that there is some issues with latest release for enhancement (beta 28)

After using ascendance (and after it has ended) the rotation get sometimes totaly fucked up

NAG doesn't tell to do other things than ascendance stormstrike (while i'm not in ascendance)

And sometimes it works a bit and then get stuck again telling to spam ascendancy stormstrike

@violet edge @daring owl @frank needle

(tested in celestial dungeon and in raid )

(quite weird tho, previous rotation was working very well, i guess it might be because of aoe interactions maybe ?)

[frank needle]

ok interesting damn, thought that was all working well fawk 😛

[pine mural]

Can also confirm I am getting the same issue.

[violet edge]

ye, maybe AOE changed the rotation? plz record a quick video

tag jeb

[daring owl]

aoe used the old rotation you made and just added in the aoe rotation parts i used for cata + moved them around in prio ofcourse

[violet edge]

let em make the AOE spells show to the right

i will enforce them

just when in an AOE line

opps, not right, maybe up

[violet edge]

@daring owl big grats on world firsto!!!

[daring owl]

thank you

[regal kernel]

Is the problem solved with the new release ? (5.5.4) Or not yet ? 😮

[violet edge]

plz try this one.
/nag > class > rotation manager
copy the enhance rotation, click to edit, replace all with this.
still has AOE but i changed two lines. check how it feels

[crude spoke]

Is anyone else having issues with the Shaman Weave Bar? I have it set to Hide out of combat, and it never shows up. I have to keep this checkbox unchecked and have the bar constantly visible in order to make it appear. Then, it seems like there is no longer any context in the weaving box. I thought it might be due to an older version and the lua files that get stored, so I deleted my WTF folder and only enabled NAG, but I still experience the same issues. I am on version 50504.

[violet edge]

Ill have to exaustivelly test when PTR is back up.
But in short, we have two bars in place. Plz check if this happens in both of them

Theres the preset and the one beside it called just weave bar

[crude spoke]

@violet edge I conducted further testing to determine the last version in which the weaving bar functioned properly. For my testing, I deleted my WTF folder to have a clean folder. The only addon I had enabled was NAG. The latest version of NGA where the weaving bar was working for me was Next Action Guide (NGA) V 5.5.4-beta 15.
I did test both weaving bars, and Beta 15 was the last working version.

[violet edge]

i just boosted a shaman, let me take a look

[violet edge]

can you plz try this one

[crude spoke]

Yes, this fixed the issue. The weaving bar is now showing up when I enter combat and goes away when I leave combat.

Thank you for the quick response and resolution to this issue. 100% amazing customer service.

[vivid chasm]

Rotation-wise all good?

[regal kernel]

Seems good with latest release from what i ve tried in celestials.

[vivid chasm]

Latest release and default rota or imported one?

I’ll start taking enha tomorrow

[daring owl]

i believe the latest default is the AoE one with all my changes

[mossy junco]

any eta on ele shaman update

[regal kernel]

it is and it seems its fully working with no ascendance buggy thing

[vivid chasm]

anyone knows why the weaving bar is not showing up?

I just installe the latest release version and did reset all

im un ummy

dummy*

[zinc oyster]

hi

which version we need to use as Enhancement actually ?

[vivid chasm]

im using the 554 release

[zinc oyster]

ok thanks

i've lost the Sync bar with it

for weaving

[vivid chasm]

same happens to me

[zinc oyster]

and you've found to increase the size of the icon ?

[vivid chasm]

in my case the efault size is ok

so I havent trie

[zinc oyster]

ok maybe try to report this bug

and now i've to found how change the ui scale

[regal kernel]

Got this when switching to heal spec

(from enhance)

[vivid chasm]

On the other hand guys, when I press ascension, the ability is still suggested on the left

[frank needle]

ya that was me sorry 😉 Been doing a ton of cleanup and some modules were inadvertently affected it seems. Hope we got the last of them now

[frank needle]

ah, that prob why. If ya get errors, if you turn on the devmode toggle/check it should spit out trace w/line numbers and other info to help with debugging

but i did make ton of changes in rotation selection etc. so think i prob know issue i see

[regal kernel]

got this with devmode on

[frank needle]

added some additional error checking in that should fix in latest beta

[candid hound]

Does NAG only work on training dummy's?

[daring owl]

the free version includes the auto sync and weave helper. It will show the rotation helper in cities but to gain access to the rotation helper in raids you need a subscription.

[slim anchor]

Sorry if it's been answered but ele shaman rotation doesn't seem to recommend unleash elements, is that correct?

[candid hound]

Where do you get NAG sub?

[uneven urchin]

https://nag.tebex.io/

[slim anchor]

@daring owl Fonsas said to tag you and ask about the rough timeline for the ele update?

[daring owl]

i said it below there, i asked an ele friend if he wants to take a look at the ele parts of NAG and still waiting for his response

[slim anchor]

Ah thank you! Sorry new to the server and all of the overlapping chats

[daring owl]

no worries

[vivid chasm]

@daring owl it is intended not having elemental mastery to be displayed at all?

or maybe am I using an obsolete rotation?

im beta 30

[daring owl]

im not sure if the APL would affect the spell location stuff tbh. I will see if just putting it into the apl separately will start to add it there

[vivid chasm]

This still happens btw

I’m just giving feedback since I started taking the shaman

[fiery ether]

Only if you have It talented

[vivid chasm]

@violet edge the weaving bar does show flame shock icon for both, the flame shock itself + earth shock

in other words, earth shock does not show in the weaving bar

[daring owl]

this should show all cds on the left from my testing, Ascendance is also not recommended anymore when its on cd for me. I tried getting the stormblast icon in there when ascended but it wont let me :c

feel free to give it a try

[vivid chasm]

Thank you mate. I’ll give it a try soon

[regal kernel]

Thinking about that, I noticed that fire elemental totem is not suggested when its cooldown is finished on current nag version and on the version you just sent

(By that I mean, on "pull", on left side you see fire elemental suggested, but when its cd is off and you can use another one, NAG doesn't suggest it.)

Other than that, the one you just linked seems to work fine for EM (it wasnt showing on left side for me but in middle instead, had to change it in spell location)

[daring owl]

weird, that was working just fine in my dungeons yesterday

[regal kernel]

Hmm maybe it was because of FE glyph

will investigate that more on my next ID

[daring owl]

i will also keep an eye on it. Maybe it came back for me since i was fiddling in the rotation manager

[vivid chasm]

im not able to paste this ingame!

[mossy junco]

rotation still not using unleash elements

[daring owl]

unfurtunately cant help with ele stuff, but im talking to a friend who can. But no promises

[mossy junco]

np jeb!

[daring owl]

i hope he can find some time in the coming weeks

[fiery ether]

Would love an Ele rotation tweaking things!

[regal kernel]

Can confirm after my raid that sometimes when fire elem totem comes off cd it's not suggested on left side

with the rotation you linked with elem mastery showing on cd side (which is working very well)

[vivid chasm]

Which version are you using?

Because I tried to paste that rota and nothing happened

[regal kernel]

5.5.5 beta 26

[vivid chasm]

Ty

You did as always right? Copy and paste on import rotation

[regal kernel]

hmm yeah

if i remember right, nothing special

[vivid chasm]

Okay thank you!

[vivid chasm]

Stupid question guys…is the weaving bar a swing timer right?

So when I weave and I see green bar, all good

When I see red bar, then the auto sync should happen right?

Also let me share with you some things that I’m finding:

1. this has already been shared by @regal kernel so that seems like fire elemental totem is not suggested on the left when it’s off CD
2. Elemental Mastery is not showing up on the left and not available in the spell locations. I know the rotation string was shared but I wasn’t able to paste it.
3. Weaving bar: flame shock icon shows up for both flame shock itself and earth shock, which is causing some confusion. Would be possible to add the earth shock icon as well?
4. Earth shock priority. Seems like earth shock is strictly suggested every time is off cd and seems like NAG does not check the time remaining of earth shock. The idea is to have always flame shock applied right? So that earth shock might not be suggested if flame shock buf is about to expire?

Just a small clarification on point 1. It is suggested but not right after it’s off CD. The same applies for wolves, ascension etc

[violet edge]

red bar means youre clipping your swing, either interrupt the cast or east the L

clipping swings means they will reset after cast

maybe @daring owl can assist with the other questions?

[daring owl]

@frank needle using the new version you linked in nag updates, getting this error spammed

i assume something with that syntax changed? I can still validate the apl with it in it tho

[daring owl]

check what version you are currently running, im usually testing on the latest full release whenever i can for number 1.

Number 2 is fixed with my latest APL changes so once we can get that imported should be good to test

3. is for fonsas

4. i just tested it for like 10 minutes hitting the dummy and at certain points it might feel weird to Unleash Elements and not Flame Shock the target but that is fine. The APL is set to recommend a flame shock refresh once it falls below 15s when Unleash Elements buff is up so you should basically never have it fall off or at worse 1s when following the apl

[frank needle]

ah, ya i can add that alias back

i standardized all to use the 'correct' wowsims versions. we had 2-3-4 versions of some same funcs etc

[daring owl]

what is the new alias for it?

[frank needle]

i can make an alias so existing rotations work for that

[daring owl]

that would also work yeah

[frank needle]

target not needed

it's default

but wowsims sends unitDistance via the message APLValueUnitDistance so i just standardizing all etc

we had 300 some odd 'handlers'

before

lol

[daring owl]

aight, gonna change the APL to use unitdistance then

[frank needle]

a global search/replace for DistanceToTarget to UnitDistance all needs

[daring owl]

since im tinkering with it rn anyway

[frank needle]

i changed so many, i can try to get AI to make a list for me haha

everything was moved

into properer files/organized etc

but basically all those that had to do with a Unit or Target etc that should work on both take sourceUnit or targetUnit etc

[daring owl]

UnitDistance will not work with the current release of NAG or is it fine?

[frank needle]

Ya, i thought of that bout 30 minutes after i pushed the bot update

🤣

[daring owl]

latest release on Curseforge is 5.5.4 and latest alpha is 5.5.5 there btw

i think your file had 5.5.6 already?

[frank needle]

curseforge dropped us

so gonna have to fix the wago uploader i guess lol

pain in the ass

but violation tos bs

i'm like fuckers tebex taking 1000's prob

your parent making money

haha

[daring owl]

probably image stuff who knows

[frank needle]

ya just annoying

[daring owl]

but alright, unitdistance is working on my version i think

validated just fine

[frank needle]

the zip i sent?

ya, i was gonna go through that next and make sure all good

i've loged all class and think spec so i think all seemed ok

[daring owl]

nah im rocking 5.5.5 from curseforge

[frank needle]

ah, k. ya some of these were right and good chance they work still haha

[daring owl]

[frank needle]

i tried to make things backcompat but i got lost a few times

ie i gotta sleep then basically start fresh in my brain lol

fucking groundhog day shit

lol

but i did test all the stuff that was in handlers

o, there was one shm thing

umm, is that totem check for fire totem working still?

o, nm you not on the beta

[daring owl]

@vivid chasm @regal kernel try this version of the APL. This has the fixed CDs showing on left and also a slightly adjusted timing for flameshock refreshes since Rami pointed out that it feels clunky. Feel free to report back to me if you notice anything. I have tested this version of the APL on version 5.5.5 of NAG

[daring owl]

im only using IsTotemActive basically. That seems to be working fine

[frank needle]

ya, i just saw he'd made some specific totem one. musta been for other spec

[daring owl]

slight update on AoE part too, noticed some small error

[vivid chasm]

Thank you Jeb. 5.5.5 release?

[daring owl]

yup

[vivid chasm]

👍🏻

[daring owl]

import worked this time?

[vivid chasm]

I can’t find the 555 release

Im so confused on which version is the latest stable one

[daring owl]

rakizi mentioned already that curseforge is not supporting NAG anymore. So you need to get it through different means if you always want the latest updates. That being said, my NAG was updated through curseforge to this 5.5.5 version (its the latest alpha) and he also linked a 5.5.6 version in #🌟｜nag-updates

[vivid chasm]

But this will work on 5.5.6?