MoP Rogue

[ripe summit]

just looks in to logs for most used talents

[ripe summit]

im playing with assasination bit now.. and maybe is becuase of old version but it didnt suggest redirect for me

[unreal dawn]

Because redirect isnt in the apl and im not sure nag can detect combo points on a different target so that you can move them to your new one

[desert robin]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[ripe summit]

i think we will need this in fight with targets switch

[unreal dawn]

Have no way of knowing when you want to switch targets

For example first hof boss

He doesnt die he flies away

Its just tech you'll need to learn outside of NAG

[ripe summit]

these combopoints should be stored on event target changing

and used for redirect to make rotation better

its waste of using MFD if u have 5cb stored in redirect imho

@subtle cape do you think is possible to add function to store CB on event target switching and add this to rotations like NAG:StoredComboPoints to utilize Redirect / SnD spell?

[unreal dawn]

Just a question though do you use redirect on target with combo points or without combo points

[ripe summit]

without

[unreal dawn]

Okay so that makes it a little easier

[ripe summit]

if target die u have like 15 second to do it

abilites like recuperate and SnD dont need to have CB on current taraget

and i think it dosnt have range restriction to be cast

[subtle cape]

i take a look ya, do the points just stay on the other target indef until you take them back then? it just a bank basically? lol

[ripe summit]

if target dies it will get lost in -15 seconds if u cast ability generating CB on current target it will get lost immediately

[subtle cape]

ah kk

[ripe summit]

u can have only one target with CB at the moment

[subtle cape]

coulda swore we had this in cata already for snd... or earlier lol musta gottan removed at some point?

[subtle cape]

@ripe summit seeing a little issue, but will look further. The event fires after you swap targets, so can't store then since target swapped already i thinking. first try failed at least lol

[subtle cape]

Ok, i changed the HasComboPoints to use UnitPower not GetComboPoints so this will check any target for this case. so slice and dice will get recommended now if you have 'stored' ones automatically

and CurrentStoredComboPoints() should also return same

[ripe summit]

Nice its iny latest alpha soo i can test it?

[subtle cape]

latest beta yup!

@ripe summit

the SnDshould work already to know if you got em saved, so prob just need to handle redirect?

[ripe summit]

5.5.5beta39?

[ripe summit]

yeah redirect will be nice for sub and assa spec

oh i see let me chcek

[subtle cape]

unfortunately not on curseforge. they want me to be homeless again i think 😛 lol they got issues with $ so they blocked the addon

wago has latest updates, and the #🌟｜nag-updates channel

[ripe summit]

downloaded it mannualy

[subtle cape]

wowup, wago client, other non curse clients i think can/will all serve it

just curseforge having probs 🙁

but i imagine like y'all, even though it has ads and sucks... it's what i used lol

if ya see ANY oddities lemme know please 🙂
Been a TON changed/cleaned up

[ripe summit]

i think its working in assa spec but not in subtlety

[subtle cape]

hrm

[ripe summit]

its probably because of rotation

[subtle cape]

ya, looks like sub has a hard check for 5 combo points, but that check doesn't know what spell it's checking for. so that would probably need to be changed to ((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 5) or NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints() >= 5))

[ripe summit]

and first line of code should only chcek for Deadly and Wound poison

2823 and 8679

[subtle cape]

that is first already ya?

[ripe summit]

yeah at my side its looks like this

((not NAG:IsActive(2823)) and (not NAG:IsActive(8679)) and (not NAG:IsActive(3408)) and (not NAG:IsActive(5761)) and NAG:Cast(2823))

[subtle cape]

probably got a custom rotation?

/nag rot can select the default, /nag reset class should reset that stuff too

/nag reset all will reset all of course

was a LOT changed and lot of things fixed, so might want to do a reset all if you haven't been on a release past 554

[ripe summit]

let me do the reset

yeah u are correct

[subtle cape]

if you wanna paste that into the string

that includes the Combo point check for 5171 for sub

[ripe summit]

yeah let me try

looks good only still not suggesting evis during shadow dance

[subtle cape]

hrm, did i not change that lol.. i know we discussed it last week. we me and someone 😛

ya got id for evis offhand? or ya not got id's shown in tooltips?

[ripe summit]

i got ids on buffs

what ID do u need?

[subtle cape]

w/e evis is lol

to find that line in the string haha

[ripe summit]

eviscirate

[subtle cape]

2098

found it

forgot i got my buttons mapped in alphabetical order 🤣

[ripe summit]

and about redirect should be something Like currentcomboints = 0 stored combopoints > 0 cast redirect

redirect is 73981

(NAG:CurrentComboPoints() == 0) and (NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints() => 1) and NAG:Cast(73981)

[subtle cape]

probably don't want that before a slice n dice though. so position might matter

[ripe summit]

yeah exactly

((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() == 0) and (NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints() > 0) and NAG:Cast(73981))

should be like this first not working 😄

[subtle cape]

ya > goes first

🙂

=

added it directly after the SnD line, imagine that's proper place 😛

[ripe summit]

soo far soo good

only Eviscirate missing

[subtle cape]

ya, looking at that now

[ripe summit]

will you add redirect and SND also for assasination?

[subtle cape]

all changed the same

redirect added after each SnD

and added the CurrentCombo check to both that needed it(that had a CurrentComboPoints() gate to cast

looking at the shadow dance one now. need to make sure change doens't break other things.
Issue is how we hgave to check for some stance/auras so stealth is flagged as a 'stance' so it checks the stealth stance which is triggered when you enter shadow dance

easy hack for now, is to change the AuraIsActive(1784) to IsActiveAura(1784) that bypasses the stance check

[ripe summit]

u know the things 😄

[subtle cape]

i'd hope so haha

just wish i knew all the things

🤣

[ripe summit]

Gonna get some food and can try other thinga for u

[subtle cape]

@unreal dawn added the redirect line after the 2 slice n dice's

[ripe summit]

@subtle cape for assa its redirect before mfd?

[subtle cape]

Mother Fuckin Disarm? 😛 lol whats mfd

i dunno classes for shit sorry haha

[ripe summit]

Mark for death

[subtle cape]

so abbreviations over my head 😛

ya, why i ping dark or w/e think it'll need tweaks?

so in right position/checks or w/e possibly if needed

i just tossed them both directly after SnD but ya might need adjusting down?

[ripe summit]

Should be before

Mark of death for assa

[subtle cape]

id?

not on mop atm

if redirect is before SnD then that would be a waste of a gcd to use redirect before the SnD so ya prob needs some additional logic there

prob just needs a not aura is active snd to use redirect then can move it up before... so saying redirect should have higher prio than using MFD right?

@ripe summit

[ripe summit]

Let me explain

[subtle cape]

    or (NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false) or (NAG:RemainingTime() <= 30.0)) and NAG:Cast(76089)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false) or NAG:DotIsActive(1943)) and ((NAG:RemainingTime() <= 60.0) or NAG:IsExecutePhase(35) or (NAG:RemainingTime() >= 90.0))) and NAG:Cast(79140)
    or ((NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false) or NAG:DotIsActive(1943)) and ((NAG:RemainingTime() <= 60.0) or NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false))) and NAG:Cast(121471)
    or ((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() == 0) and (NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints() >= 1) and (not ((NAG:AuraRemainingTime(5171) <= 4) and (NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints() >= 5)))) and NAG:Cast(73981)
    or ((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() == 0) and (not NAG:AuraIsActive(1784, "player", false)) and NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false) and NAG:DotIsActive(1943)) and NAG:Cast(137619)
    or ((NAG:CurrentTime() <= 2) and (not (NAG:DotIsActive(703) or NAG:DotIsActive(1943))) and (NAG:AuraIsActive(1784, "player", false) or NAG:AuraIsActive(108208, "player", false))) and NAG:Cast(703)
    or (not NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false)) and NAG:Cast(5171)
    or (((NAG:DotRemainingTime(1943) <= 2) or ((not NAG:DotIsActive(1943)) and (not NAG:DotIsActive(703)))) and ((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 5) or ((not NAG:AuraIsKnown(114015)) and (NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 4))) and (NAG:NumberTargets() < 8)) and NAG:Cast(1943)
    or (NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false) and (NAG:DotIsActive(1943) or NAG:DotIsActive(703) or NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false))) and NAG:Cast(126734)
    or ((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 1) and (NAG:NumberTargets() < 8) and (NAG:NumberTargets() > 2) and (NAG:AuraRemainingTime(5171) < 3) and NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false)) and NAG:Cast(32645)
    or ((NAG:NumberTargets() < 3) and (((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 5) and (NAG:DotRemainingTime(1943) >= 4)) or ((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 4) and ((NAG:CurrentEnergy() >= 55) or (NAG:AuraRemainingTime(32645) <= 2)) and (not NAG:IsExecutePhase(35)) and (not NAG:AuraIsActive(121153, "player", false)) and (not NAG:AuraIsActive(121471, "player", false)) and (not NAG:AuraIsKnown(114015)) and (NAG:DotRemainingTime(1943) >= 4)))) and NAG:Cast(32645)
    or ((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 5) and (NAG:NumberTargets() > 7)) and NAG:Cast(121411)
    or (NAG:NumberTargets() > 2) and NAG:Cast(51723)
    or (((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() <= 4) or (NAG:AuraIsKnown(114015) and (NAG:AuraNumStacks(114015, "player", false) <= 1))) and (NAG:IsExecutePhase(35) or NAG:AuraIsActive(121153, "player", false))) and NAG:Cast(111240)
    or (NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false) and (NAG:CurrentEnergy() <= 60) and (NAG:CurrentComboPoints() <= 4) and (not NAG:AuraIsActive(121153, "player", false))) and NAG:Cast(1856)
    or (((NAG:CurrentComboPoints() <= 4) or (NAG:AuraIsKnown(114015) and (NAG:AuraNumStacks(114015, "player", false) <= 1))) and (not NAG:IsExecutePhase(35))) and NAG:Cast(1329)
    or (not NAG:SpellIsReady(1856)) and NAG:Cast(14185)
    or NAG:Cast(57934)

ok that's my initial attempt w/o explanation 🤣

[ripe summit]

i think yes becasue , when switching targets u are going to multilate to 5CB rupture MFD and then envenom

soo u dont have to generate 5cb here

let me try it in game

[subtle cape]

when should it use the stored... i imagine using a gcd even if it gets CP would be waste of a gcd depending on situation?

like if making an attack is gonna get that stored CP back anyways and this does damage... imagine it's a waste?

i might not grok the actual rogue mechanics correct, never played one

[ripe summit]

redirect has 40y range

[subtle cape]

ya, but it still uses a gcd/action?

or ya mean if ya moving or something

is the thing?

[ripe summit]

yeah u can use it while moving for example

[subtle cape]

ah kk ya that makes sense if ya leaving cp on a target and gotta get to new etc

just not sure how many CP it's worth using it for is the question?

i think the above it'll use it if you have 1

imagine like most... it would be a situational thing

and can't just blindly follow

but still good to suggest

[ripe summit]

yeah redirect should be placed on the left top or whatever side

[subtle cape]

that's when it should suggestion redirect

possible that timing value needs adjust etc

but check below is 3 sec so this should i think work

did you make the evis 'hack' so that's 'working' in the rotations for validation of all etc?

@ripe summit

[ripe summit]

did you send the new rotation with change?

[subtle cape]

what spec was that? lol

[ripe summit]

subtletu

[subtle cape]

i got it in mine atm i think sec lemme check

i don't think i did yet no cause was trying to fix it correctly lol

[ripe summit]

😄

assasination looks good for me ATM

[subtle cape]

that sub has the hack

so should show evis now?

to at least 'test'

[ripe summit]

let me tryyy

[subtle cape]

❤️

i need to get rid of last coffee and get more 🤣 brb

[subtle cape]

oops forgot bout that lol

removed the false

[ripe summit]

🙁 nope still no eviscirate

[subtle cape]

all the checks are true, so think must just be an apl 'issue'

/dump NAG:DotRemainingTime(1943) >= 4, NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 5, not NAG:IsActiveAura(1784, "player"), not NAG:AuraIsActive(108208, "player", false), not NAG:AuraIsActive(58984, "player", false), not NAG:AuraIsActive(11327)

if i move it to top it prompts it

[ripe summit]

maybe workraound with Anticipatin buff?

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/spell=114015/anticipation

or remove the stealth check for now and leave only vanish buff chcek

i think its caused by Vanish buff

11327

[subtle cape]

if you use shadow blades does it trigger?

@ripe summit

o it's showing now with it as well hrm

[ripe summit]

i think i made workaroud for my problem 😄

[subtle cape]

try that? if ya don't mind

save your workaround here or somewhere 🤣

[ripe summit]

this should be

[subtle cape]

ahh kk, so ya got extra check in there. so prob won't work cause mine don't got that and think that only change? lol

[ripe summit]

i reposted message

posted wrong one

with extra Eviscirate suggest

or ((NAG:DotRemainingTime(1943) >= 4) and (NAG:CurrentComboPoints() >= 5) and (NAG:AuraIsActive(51713)))and NAG:Cast(2098)

when shadow dance buff only

[subtle cape]

whats causing the other one to fail

the not AuraActive(vanish) looks like like ya say ya

[ripe summit]

the second one is original and not working coz of vanish buff 11327

[ripe summit]

still the same

no evis for me

[subtle cape]

weird, i prob not following rotation properly or in time... my reaction time slow with these rotations i dunno lol

[ripe summit]

anyway im happy with redirect and SnD

thank you very mutch

[subtle cape]

o i'm adding the other in too haha

i just leave a note in the apl and can adjust if needed

i dunno the class for shit haha

[ripe summit]

there is definetly issiue with shadow dance and vanish buff

and the roration is not pretty coz of double eviscirate suggetion

but its working

[subtle cape]

ya, i don't like havingto diverge from the wowsims... it 'should' work as is and just need aoe and other minor tweaks

not full mods like this

[unreal dawn]

@soft fiber in what way do you find the assa aoe awful? would love feedback

i dont play rogue myself im relying on you guys

[ripe summit]

its there link for github?

so i can see changelog?

[unreal dawn]

changelog only exists if @subtle cape remembers to write one

its not automatic lol

if he does write one it will be shown on discord as well

[ripe summit]

and its there github? 😄 or not

[unreal dawn]

oh i see he stopped putting it on the post

[soft fiber]

aoe doesn't seems to reflect what wowhead guide suggests which is more about multidot ruptures with 2-3 combos while maintaining snd, and then tab next target.
Or maybe its just me not Reading the nag correctly

[unreal dawn]

Well multi dotting isnt something the NAG handles well at the moment. It only can really tell you what to do on your current target

So at the moment just limited to fan of knives/crimson tempest

[subtle cape]

it is just been broken a little bit cause of a few bag tags someone sent 😛 lol it fixed now

[soft fiber]

Also noticed yesterday that sometimes when at 5 CP And multiple targets, NAG gets stucked suggesting for FoK.
it's ok if NAG doesnt handle aoe very well as long as i can maintain ST rotation

[ripe summit]

assa or sub?

[soft fiber]

it was for Assa

i tried sub but the positionnal requirmnt is way too punishing outside Raid environnement, or im just bad at it 🙂

[unreal dawn]

Thats because at a certain number of targets its more dps to just FOK than to use a finisher

I need to adjust that though so fok will be in the aoe slot

Ill do today

I think I have a target requirement on evis - will remove it

[swift maple]

In raids I just toggle the forced st anyway, also rogue felt kinda fine on the latest update, just a litttle slow on the opener to recommend mfd into envenom

[unreal dawn]

need some help with assa for a sec

so for example envenom between 3-7 targets has a different requirement than 1 or 2 targets

wondering to either delete the 3-8 envenom call, or to put that call into the aoe frame

basically - in aoe you just want to use to only to keep up slice and dice

maybe ill mess around with the aoe frame

[ripe summit]

Im in bed can we check it tommorow?

[unreal dawn]

yea ill send the link and you can check it out

Assassination Changes - Removed the target requirements on rupture and envenom, and added an envenom call to AOE for refreshing snd

[ripe summit]

What is spell ID 76089

ah i see its Potion

[ripe summit]

curently at work will chcek in 3-4 hours

[unreal dawn]

I still need to add redirect and dont think it has stored combo points yet, just look at the changes I made only

[ripe summit]

cant import

[unreal dawn]

I see they changed the wording

@subtle cape

Is it due to caps

[subtle cape]

ya, was never sposed to be caps. that was an error that was setup to take the cap strings

[unreal dawn]

Kk

I cant change till im home sorry Horalius

[subtle cape]

that been changed for while though? whre that come from?

[unreal dawn]

Making new changes to assa

So the most recent string I just sent

#1347562324269207624 message

[ripe summit]

this is working for me

or (NAG:CurrentComboPoints() == 0) and (NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints() >= 1) and NAG:Cast(73981)

[unreal dawn]

Yea i just did a small bit of changes and then worked on other stuff, will finish up today prob

[ripe summit]

im trying to make AOE mode for subtlety rotation thats always show on the right but changing depenes on the number of targets

[ripe summit]

where do u get base info for aoe rotation? wowhead?

[unreal dawn]

Yes

It should be fine for sub?

I did an edit to that too maybe backstab had a target requirement

Dont remember anymore what spec lol

[soft fiber]

that's a good point: is there any way to see stored combo point as a reminder to use redirect? or yall just gonna add it to side/top/bottom suggestions?

[ripe summit]

i made this for SUB

it will show Fan of Knives when 3+ targets and suggest Crimson Tempst

but normal rotation will be still visible

its will show also blue arrov when u have both bleeds up to suggest change target

[soft fiber]

i like very much the idea to have an icon that suggest to tab target so i can rupture more 👍

[ripe summit]

its using guild perk icon as a workaround 😄

sooo im not shure if its works for everyone

[unreal dawn]

Hmm you give me an idea for dk to suggest a tab target plague strike

Ill see what I can do to implement your idea to rogue properly

[torpid quest]

Is that ever better than pestilence?

(not to detail rogue chat)

[unreal dawn]

For frost DK yes

[ripe summit]

should be something like NAG:Icon(XXX) 😄

also with position tag

[unreal dawn]

Yea id put it on top personally

Left/right is for cooldowns

[fiery solar]

Sir how do i setup my nag like yours?! thats way nicer looking haha

[ripe summit]

got issiueicon dissapers when "pooling energy" for rupture refresh

any tips and tricks?

[ripe summit]

@unreal dawn want me to tune assa rogue rotation?

@subtle cape its possible to have one ability on 2 spots? like Middle and Right?

[rapid moon]

For combat rogues is there anyway to make adrenaline rush move out of the primary spot? it stays in primary no matter what position i tell it to move to

[ripe summit]

are u using latest version? can u post screenshot from options pannel and CLASS tab?

[rapid moon]

yep im using the latest beta ill post a ss

[unreal dawn]

Sorry been raiding past 2 days, should have time soon

[ripe summit]

try to mark first option Use Custom Spell Location

or use the function to reset all

[rapid moon]

i tried that originally and also just use the /nag reset all

the other spells seem to work - killing spree and vanish can be moved but adrenaline rush stays primary for some reason

[ripe summit]

ill try to spec combat on my second rogue

and let u know

[rapid moon]

its not a huge deal - its great on bosses i just dont want to burn my AR on trash mobs although it comes back quick - its just slightly annoying

the blade flurry icon was a great addition

[ripe summit]

can u try this?

@subtle cape does NAG:StrictSequence ignore spell positions?

[rapid moon]

cant seem to create a new rotation with the latest beta - the new rotatiion name prompt seems broken

combat is kind of a full send spec so ill test in raid - me clearing a quick dungeon is just a minor annoyance so ultimately not a big deal

[ripe summit]

make copy of curernt one and replace all text

[ripe summit]

@subtle cape

[subtle cape]

At the same time? or in different scenarios via diff apl lines?
You can use the location field in the Cast to change it if by line:

[subtle cape]

yup. currently. what i was trying to look at yesterday, but hadn't really looked at that system much but it's all over and confusing haha. so i'll hold off on that change till after i get .6 released. have it partially fixed/working just don't want to introduce more variables into the current release

[ripe summit]

i want to suggest Rupture for AOE and Single target soo it can show in both window

[subtle cape]

ya, like how darkfrog has the hb i think setup in frost.
or when certain things go to center/aoe/alternate path location

if you want same line to do both, prob need to add a 2nd version with the 2nd location and the diff NumTargets to show it there?

[ripe summit]

ill try to use NAG.SPELL_POSITION.AOE

with new line

[subtle cape]

ya, that would be 'proper' way to do it i think
are you trying to get a single line to show in both at the same time?

from a single apl action/conditional

[ripe summit]

now single line will create extra for AOE

[subtle cape]

o, i add that to my list and take a look today thanx

[ripe summit]

ill try to utilize Anticipation when waiting to refresh Rupture

Added Rupture AOE , changed to utilize last second Shadow Dance down from 2

[ripe summit]

fixed window when no ability was suggested coz of rupture, changed window to cast Ambush when Find Weakness down from 2 to 1 Second

[subtle cape]

5.5.6 beta/5.5.4-fixed release on wago should resolve that. was same issue as the key with the editBox=>EditBox blizz change
Lemme know any probs thx

[tight patio]

dose anyone know what happend to AOE off button

[fiery solar]

Any chacne to do that for Assassination? i noticed that in raid last night that when rupture had about 4s~ it gave no suggested/next ability

[ripe summit]

yeah ill try to have look today

disclaimer my rotation isnt official

i see the problem

[ripe summit]

try this, i changed logic to refresh Rupture to 3 second from 4 and envenom to 3 second from 2 when rupture faiding

[fiery solar]

Will do tyvm!

[ripe summit]

will try to add same aoe rotation logic like for sub later this day

[rapid moon]

we should probably look into why the adrenaline rush doesnt show up where it is supposed to because it does lock up the rotation if you choose not to use it when it recommends it

[unreal dawn]

I know exactly why it does that, will provide a fix this weekend when I polish all specs

[rapid moon]

ok ty Dark!

[old arch]

hello! how u update trhis into the game? 😄 im new

i have same issue with rupture

[ripe summit]

What kind of issiue?

[rapid moon]

for combat is it possible to have a rotation just for the opener or is that built in? the opener usually has us rupture after killing spree + AR

[ripe summit]

ill try to add prepull for combat today/tommorow and ill ping u

[rapid moon]

ty!

[languid rover]

which nag version is that referred to? i cant validate this

NAG[ERROR]: Invalid rotation configuration: Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Unknown NAG function: NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints()
Unknown NAG function: NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints()
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(1784, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(1784, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(108208, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(5171, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(121153, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(121471, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Unknown NAG function: NAG:CurrentStoredComboPoints()
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraNumStacks(114015, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(121153, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(79140, "target", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraIsActive(121153, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2
Invalid arguments in NAG:AuraNumStacks(114015, "player", false): Too many arguments, expected max 2 

[ripe summit]

latest from NAG updates

[languid rover]

is it possible to download betas via wago as well?

[ripe summit]

yes but u nned to change

in wago settings

[ripe summit]

i added some more things

[ripe summit]

@subtle cape please update

[old arch]

good

hey subtly rotations feel way better!

[old arch]

also assa so good so far:D

[ripe summit]

Will try to polish combat/assa too

[torpid quest]

Are these in the newest beta @subtle cape ?

[subtle cape]

i think fonsas added em in ya, looks like both are updated though now and are possibly the same. the horalius and darkfrog versions mighta been consolidated now heh

[ripe summit]

if u think something is off or weird let me know

im planning to add fask and food reminder before combat

[rapid moon]

tested it on dummies so far and it looks good horalius

[ripe summit]

subtlety is most polished if u want to try, im currently leveling second rogue 86-90 to play combat soo i can see it in raid

[rapid moon]

im only playing combat atm - really enjoying the spec

the icon from the bottom left is gone for blade flurry though when its active - that was a good helper to know if you still have blade flurry active

[ripe summit]

i see this when blade flurry active and one target

i see the problem

sometimes it disaapers

[ripe summit]

can make it to show again when u against one target and BF active if u want

[rapid moon]

yeah - i think a reminder is good because its hard to look for the buff sometiems - i guess i can make a weak aura for it as well

[old arch]

yea subly is way polished! gg

[rapid moon]

one note about combat- for the opener we should make sure we have shallow insight active before killing spree -> AR -> Rupture

[ripe summit]

will do

only to use killing spree when Insight up

[rapid moon]

yeah thats just for opener - we want to make sure we have that insight up before we KS into AR and then rupture - other than that combat is just use everything on CD pretty much

[ripe summit]

in first 15 second in combat it will only suggest to cast Killing Spree if Shallow Insight is up

after 15s in combat it will remain the same

[ripe summit]

also different approach fo blade flurry

[ripe summit]

im talking with rakizi to shwo it differnt icon when its on

[subtle cape]

ya, till these server issues fix i prob just take a break and do some cleaning haha. i still on old server, so maybe something to do with that lol

[rapid moon]

trying the rotation above i find some inconsistencies with when it decides to KS/Rupture - sometiems it waits for the insight to proc sometiems it doesnt

[ripe summit]

only in first 15 second of combat it will wait for Insight to KS

[swift maple]

Can we turn off redirect into snd from the rotation? kinda useless or xd

[ripe summit]

in what spec please?

[swift maple]

sec, im p sure it was sub and sin but ye, but ill double check

[rapid moon]

it works for the first 15 seconds but wheni wait and try again it goes right into rupturing

[swift maple]

ok works for sub, but in sin it wants u to redirect into snd

[ripe summit]

it will suggest redirect only if its 4s and more on SND duration

if its will be fine

[swift maple]

I mean its only in little niche thing where I open and swap target it wants to redirect into snd on a fresh pull

https://gyazo.com/87a46cef6f1ecb480d340770d6e57811

it happeneded few times during raid on my alt rogue and some dungs

its only during like trash, and swappin on some adds. but yeh nothing major

[ripe summit]

i know what u mean if u wan to test

it will dont suggest redirect into SnD unless SnD is up with 5 second and more remaining

thanks for poiting it

[swift maple]

now it wont redirect at all xDD when I got full snd and cb on a target when i try to swap, just for testing

[ripe summit]

Ill post new rotation tommorow with proper snd and redirect

[swift maple]

Thanks for the work ur doing

[rapid moon]

hey Horalius - i think its a minor issue - ty for the updates to combat!

[ripe summit]

it can happens to suggest Redirect into SnD if its SnD about to fall i think i cant do mutch about that

ok maybe this one last i post can do the trick

[ripe summit]

@rapid moon as far as i understand u want to utilize anticipation to dont overcap CP while waiting for insight buff to rupture right?

also removing rupture from rotation when 2+ targets for combat

[old arch]

hey! in assa it reccommend you the ingeniering gloves buff but in subtly wont, can you check this? the gloves that gives you agility bonus:)

[ripe summit]

its possible, didnt notice because i macro it in Shado Dance because of same cooldown

ill add in next version

[ornate ingot]

hello guys, any chance you know of any good addon to keep track of the combo points built on enemy? also feel free to suggest other amazing rogue addons ❤️

[ripe summit]

i think any class weakaura should do the trick

[ripe summit]

https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueMop

[old arch]

ty!!

[lunar scroll]

Still some issues with middle recommendation dissapearing when multiple mobs around, was there a way to disable aoe?

[torpid quest]

"/nagaoe 1"

Will make rotation always act as if only one target present

[craggy swallow]

Why with ‘1’?

[torpid quest]

thats the target count

in case youd want it to assume 2 targets

etc

[craggy swallow]

Yeah I was asking because I ve been using just /nagaoe

[torpid quest]

Fair that probably works too

[ripe summit]

What spec?

Should not happen wuth latest rotation

[soft fiber]

I concur, it still happening blank middle suggestion when 5cp and aoe situation

Im also a bit confused to see tott suggestion only at 5cp, any reason behind that Logic? Most guides says to tott at pull before SS

[ripe summit]

what spec u are talking about soo i can have a look?

[keen beacon]

may i ask why it doesn't suggest shadow dance earlier. i think the sub sim apl suggests shadow dance immediately after your first rupture

[soft fiber]

sorry forgot to say its for assa, actually playing with basic rotation, didnt imported anything you suggested previously

[ripe summit]

please try download beta

i fixxed many things in rotation

[soft fiber]

i'm already using beta version from Curse, something more to do?

[old arch]

I usually download from here the version! 😄 in the chanel of NAG updates

[torpid quest]

Course doesnt update atm

Curse

Get it from #🌟｜nag-updates or wowup

[rapid moon]

some feedback on the new rotation - i think the cancel blade flurry icon being primary is a little too much - in some fights when you have a good amount of movement or mob spawns it blocks your rotation when it should really be a suggestion and not a core reminder

[ripe summit]

waiting to rakizi to allow some changes in NAG addon so i can move it to right

[desert robin]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[ripe summit]

will post u with update once i got back home

[keen beacon]

newest version still doesnt seem to have the correct sub opener i think. after shadowblades ambush hemo rupture should be shadow dance but addon tells you to backstab a bunch of times before shadow dance

[ripe summit]

because u still probably have Find Weakness debuff from Ambush Opener on target

[keen beacon]

yeah but i think for your opener the sim doesnt care about overlapping your first find weakness window (sim pops ambush 0s, sd/ambush at 3s) but i guessing you can't add in logic to account for that in nag

[ripe summit]

i probably can

let me check

[ripe summit]

this will ignore Find Weakness debuff in first 10 second

will be updated in next version

[keen beacon]

works well ty

[old arch]

Hi! I’m playing Subtlety Rogue and noticed the rotation helper isn’t recommending Premeditation during Vanish or pre-pull anymore. I only see it suggested during Shadow Dance. I’m pretty sure it used to recommend Premed with Vanish and on the opener. Could you check if this is intended or a bug? or maybe i have wrong version ty

[ripe summit]

will try to move it higher in priority

ill check when i get back home

[ripe summit]

THANKS for noticing!! 🙂

[ripe summit]

will add also Vanish and Ambush for combat to use only when insight buff is up

[robust fulcrum]

When you're in here crafting it up, do you then put the changes in both the Horalius + Darkfrog & Horalius packs or only in the @ripe summit one -- (referring specifically to Assassination for this question)

[ripe summit]

everything should be in horalius one

[unreal dawn]

I’ve kinda taken a step back and I’ll just port it over to wowsims when he’s done, but @ripe summit is doing a super great job so far

[ripe summit]

should be fixed in this one

[tight patio]

how do i import this fix ?

[wraith moat]

same question here ^ . pls ping me if answered

[ripe summit]

Ill send u a import string

[tight patio]

Thank you very much

[ripe summit]

@wraith moat@tight patio

is this ok for u guys?

[wraith moat]

Works fine to me thanks

[tight patio]

i just tried to import it and wouldt work ?

[ripe summit]

can u post screenshot please? or what isnt working?

[tight patio]

unknown nag funtion

[ripe summit]

download please latest beta version

u are using old version of NAG

[tight patio]

arrr ok ez

[tight patio]

download latest and then inmport ??

[ripe summit]

please try but probably its already inside

soo u dont have to import

[tight patio]

yea rotation is saying by darkfrog and hor

[ripe summit]

let me know if u find something odd

[ripe summit]

Will post today or tommorow update for combat with blade flurry

[ripe summit]

nvm one thing still not working 🙁

[ripe summit]

Rogue Combat updated in lastest version please download via companion APP

[old arch]

hey! 😄
When a fight starts, the rotation correctly suggests Shadow Blades, but after the 3-minute cooldown is over, I haven’t seen it recommend it again if the fight keeps going longer than those 3 minutes.

It looks like the addon doesn’t trigger the ability a second time during long encounters once it’s off cooldown again. can you check this please? t hanks!

for assa

[robust fulcrum]

It shows up in the left panel for me, 100% of the time

[ripe summit]

are u using latest version of addon? and rotation from it?

will include ingame guide for using NAG rotation for rogues

[old arch]

Mmmm I download it with the app. What the name of your rotation? 🙂

[ripe summit]

Should be default one

For everyspec

[old arch]

hey! ure right is working shadow blade in sub.
only think I found was mark for death on assa is not getting recommend 🙂

[old arch]

nvm

mark for death is working!

[wraith moat]

@ripe summit at raid atm, the lag is back when NAG is on Sub rogue

[ripe summit]

rotation is working fine only lag?

[wraith moat]

yup

massive fps drops

[ripe summit]

@subtle cape any idea how to debug this?

please post screenshot of your talents please

[wraith moat]

is there a way to check if any of my WAs affecting it ?

[ripe summit]

looks like its WA 66% of CPU using

can u update your WA via wago?

[wraith moat]

its updated all of em

actually let me double check

[ripe summit]

i have issiue with fojji like 2 weaks ago

[wraith moat]

yea all updated sadly not sure if i want to disable fojji when raiding xd

[ripe summit]

it was dont realease WA

[craggy swallow]

how did you fix that? im facing the same

[ripe summit]

delete the Dont realease WA 😄

[craggy swallow]

LOL ofc ahaha

[ember canopy]

Whos the rogue to look at for the "go to WAs" current leveling my alt rn

[wraith moat]

I actually never had that I have a seperate " dontrelease" is it still related to the issue?

[ripe summit]

are u using english client_

?

because i dont have issiue with NAG in raids

[wraith moat]

yes

[ripe summit]

its in fojji esential pack afaik

[ripe summit]

try to update foji it has been removed

https://wago.io/Fojji-EssentialsMoP

[wraith moat]

yea i am aware i dont have it improted even

[old arch]

hey! what the blue arrow mean at the end of the rotation? 😄

[ripe summit]

its to change target, go bleed next

ill need to try it after update

[ripe summit]

yes in AOE situiaton the right side is for AOE

anyway thaks for poiting ill need to make one update

[subtle cape]

arg sorry dude, totally ignored you i see 😛

but i been working on that shit anyways haha

[ripe summit]

yeah its working i think now

[ripe summit]

yeah u dont love me anymore

[subtle cape]

i don't love myself or anyone shit, my cats hate me now even

[old arch]

haha heyy thanks!!

[ripe summit]

🙂

Is quiet here

[torpid quest]

Everyone in here are stealthy

🥷

[tight patio]

Rouge rota is just that good

[ornate oar]

I had to revert as combat not showing KS or AR

[shut imp]

@ripe summit maybe another formatation error from the parser?
whats AR and KS btw, so i can take a look tomorrow

[ripe summit]

probably Adrenaline Rush and Killing Spree

[shut imp]

ok!

i found and fixed other 2 parenthesis missing and didnt even tell you, @ripe summit

someone reported

it MAY be another one

[ripe summit]

maybe reuse the version before "parenthesis accident" 😄

[shut imp]

ummm you/we didnt touch combat recently

let me log a rogue and see

[ripe summit]

working on my side

let me see latest beta

[shut imp]

i broke it on the latest beta

[ripe summit]

😄

[shut imp]

found the fix

[ripe summit]

what did you broke

[ornate oar]

Thank you, now i can continue trolling my guild by playing combat

[shut imp]

nag was messing up spell IDs with item IDs

im trying to split those

[ripe summit]

u also broke subtlety too

bad fonsas!

😄

51713 shadow dance and 14185 Preparation

[shut imp]

try the new beta

sending it now

[ornate oar]

Thank you, I'll have to try it first thing in the morning, I appreciate you

[ornate oar]

perfecto

[vestal pagoda]

Hey guys i am new here, i recently got the rogue mop rotation. And i had some questions. First of all, can we put the aoe rotation and single target rotation in the same box and only use 1.
And second the sub rogue rotation only cast backstab no matter if we are behind or infront of the target. Is there any fix for this so it ahows hemmo and backstab according to circumstance.
Please Help, cheers

[unreal dawn]

I’m leveling a rogue finally

Maybe get around to making the wowsims apl with your changes

There’s a few things I saw while leveling I don’t like as combat

Redirect being shown all the time when I’m in aoe is annoying I moved it to above

And I had to ignore a different spell I don’t remember which one now

[ornate oar]

I like that the aoe is not all together, as it gives options, I like that you can turn aoe on and off too

[shut imp]

@unreal dawn that was a sub rotation for when solo leveling, right?

[unreal dawn]

I had one made yea

Though @vestal pagoda it’s impossible to tell if you’re in front or behind the target

To “fix” the aoe you can fix spell locations for aoe spells into primary

[vestal pagoda]

Ok i will try that thanks 👍

[vestal pagoda]

@unreal dawn where can i find the spell locations settings for aoe . i tried searching it in the nag options couldn't find it.

[unreal dawn]

Class>spell locations

[ripe summit]

I think its better this way , because there are situation if u want to focus one enemy while aoe pack is there or they are immunne or something

turning AOE OFF and ON is just another keybind u have to use

[ripe summit]

shadow blades was bugged during leveling beacuse of incorect level check for that spell

[ripe summit]

i can add chcek for group to sugest home istead of backstab if solo

[vestal pagoda]

yea that would be cool.

[unreal dawn]

i remembered now I ignored it telling me to go into stealth

thats a pre pull thing i dont really care to see every time im just running around hitting mobs

[ripe summit]

i should add prepull only in group i think

[unreal dawn]

yea would be good there

[unreal dawn]

okay im trying out sub

you removed all the aoe from it?

[ripe summit]

nope its show on right side if there are enough mobs

[unreal dawn]

ok i did an entire dungeon didnt see it once

and i double checked my aoe settings

[ripe summit]

let me check

[unreal dawn]

hmm thats odd i never saw it

ill do a reset

[ripe summit]

let me know if u find something else odd, ill make update during the workdazs

[burnt cairn]

Does anyone know what rogue spec is going to be king in ToT? Is it asa or sub?

[burnt cairn]

Also does the sub rotation work if you arent level 90?

[unreal dawn]

I think sub but assa viable?

The rotation should work mostly

[burnt cairn]

word, I just set up my sub bars.

I was curious of the rotation will work if you don't have shadowblades and other abilities unlocked. IM only 85 and wanted to see how it feels

[unreal dawn]

Shadowblades is off to the side or should be so you can ignore it

[burnt cairn]

I dont know if it lined up exactly liek this

[unreal dawn]

Prob is sub is hard to level since it will show backstab all the time

It’s impossible to know if you’re facing the target front or back

So mentally just replace backstab with hemmorhage

[burnt cairn]

Yeah i will level as combat, i just wanted to dummy test the sub rotation

[unreal dawn]

It’s kind of brain dead in mop

Rupture can’t be extended anymore

[burnt cairn]

like braindead ez?

[unreal dawn]

So you’re basically just keeping up slice n dice, and rupture, else evis

Not even using recuperate anymore

[burnt cairn]

yeah recupe was dumb in Cata lol

[burnt cairn]

you dont even use garrote right?

weird the rotation gets me to press shadowdance after hemmorrahage

[unreal dawn]

I didn’t see anything for sub but I still have to look more into it

[ripe summit]

its optimized for raid encouters

[ripe summit]

ill suggest sub for raiding and assa for daily quest or solo content on lvl 90

im making some changes to sub for solo leveling will test in raid today if its didnt breaking anyting and post after

[ripe summit]

even shadow dance is hard to utilize because of ambush

[ripe summit]

@burnt cairn if want u can try this while leveling/not in group

[keen beacon]

im sure you're already aware of this but they will be changing prepull behaviour for premed for throne patch

[burnt cairn]

No worries - appreciate the clarity, I have combat as my leveling spec !

[burnt cairn]

kk ill slam this when i get home - thank you

[ripe summit]

tell me more 🙂

im interested

[keen beacon]

https://github.com/ClassicWoWCommunity/mop-classic-bugs/issues/2527

currently, if you do pre-pull sequence correctly you can have slice and dice active and premed is off cd on pull. but theyre changing it to where if you have 2cp on boss or slice and dice on pull, it'll put premed on cd.

[ripe summit]

still thinking about best way how to execute shadow dance

[burnt cairn]

I don't think any sub player is going to be ripping a perfect opener in open world leveling. It's almost judt fine having it be used line with shadowblares if it's up and on cd when shadow blades is on cd. But I'm not an expert lol

[ripe summit]

updated version

[ripe summit]

should use this spell locations

[tired kindle]

how do i import this into NAG

[ripe summit]

/nag then Class > Rotation Manager > Import Rotation

[tired kindle]

Copied this but nothing happened

[ripe summit]

it will autoupdate in next version of addon i think

[white meadow]

agree, shadowstep shouldn't be a 'rotation' ability. also, i've tried 2x now to import that string, and it crashes wow.

[shut imp]

maybe you should remove the malware from the string @ripe summit hahah

was it the one you sent? is it already part of the nag?

i can make it be updated and send another beta

[ripe summit]

will be removed in next version

[ripe summit]

in cataclysm it gives 30% bonus damage to next ambush

[ripe summit]

its same i send to you in channel

[shut imp]

alright! thanks!

ill update

[white meadow]

agreed, in cata it has a more 'rotational' use (i still even use my shadowstep/ambush macro for opening, bc find weakness), but even then i'd argue it's probably better to have it like a cd - if it didn't have a movement component, i might feel differently, but there are lots of reasons to not use it - for example, timing shadowstep to hop back behind the boss after sha fear for more uptime, etc. and, i do like the whole, 'you have me targetted, but i'm out of range, shadowstep' reminder. 😛

anyways it sounds like it got fixed, for which i'm glad! i just wanted to advise about the whole crashing thing in case relevant, i'll keep an eye out for updates. (happy thanksgiving!)

[keen beacon]

pretty sure sub is broken on latest update. the rotation is all wrong. it recommends garrote and spamming hemo into evisc. did you overwrite it with the solo levelling rotation?

[unreal dawn]

I used it on Sunday no issues

[keen beacon]

5.6.2-beta8 is fine. beta9 is bad. I believe that one was pushed today.

[unreal dawn]

Hmm double check what rotation you have selected

But yea might be some solo stuff bugging

[keen beacon]

it is default. i did a reset to make sure it wasnt an error on my end

[ripe summit]

its ok, i suggest to spam hemo if u arent in group

like solo contant u cant use ambush if u are alone probably

[ripe summit]

its ok for you to have 1 rotation to change depens on solo/group content? or just want to have one for group content and thats all?

[keen beacon]

I didnt realize it changes based on whether you're in a group or not. that is kinda annoying because I use NAG on target dummies to practice my rotation in a raid setting and any alterations i make to the rotation for my personal environment. personally i find the solo rotation feature useless because you shouldnt need a reminder to spam hemo like what else are you going to press lol but I guess some people find it useful.

[soft fiber]

subtelty spec with current beta 5.6.2-beta9
pops when aoe situation

[ripe summit]

@shut imp what this error means?

[ripe summit]

Ill have a look in morning

[shut imp]

ill try to check now

[ripe summit]

we found the issiue thanks to @subtle cape

will post fix later this day

[ripe summit]

update done , should be in next beta, if not then spam rakizi

[soft fiber]

confirmed it's fixed 👍

i have 2 more side questions :

• i don't see any ToTT suggestion?
• in aoe scenario, hemo and fok are both suggested to do the "tab dot" thing, so the idea is to 1CP rupture with hemo or fok, both builders are fine?

[ripe summit]

ToTT ist just for prepull , itsnt in rotation anymore

[ripe summit]

Crimson tempest with 5 CB build up with FOK Use rupture and then go next

[old arch]

is garrot normal on subtly rotation?

[ripe summit]

Only solo mode

[unreal dawn]

Did my first tot raid as sub it went pretty horrible lmao

I’m not sure on the proper aoe

My single target is decent ish

But grey parsed every boss hahaha

[ripe summit]

i think same will happen to me today

[ripe summit]

any rogues on Horridon HC right now? what happens when vanishing with spirit?

[tight patio]

@ripe summit you recon combat is almost viable yet ?

[ripe summit]

did you play with combat rotation? did you find anything odd?

[tight patio]

not yet just wondering if any work had gone into it

[ripe summit]

should be pretty mutch okay, only prepull is missing afaik

i was playing in yesterday on horridon

[tight patio]

it looks like combat is getting up there and its my fav spec

[ripe summit]

yeah you should go like sub/combt or assa/combat for ToT

[keen beacon]

combat is ok but like every other spec, you can't follow it blindly. for ex stacking cps when you're about to get deep insight is better than just evisc when nag tells u to

[ripe summit]

i can make change to try to utilize anticipation before deep insight

if u mean that, didnt think about that to be honest

[keen beacon]

ya there is also stuff like saving your vanish ambushes/prep vanish ambush for deep insight

and when you get 4pc t15 i think you want to do it when you have sbs active cause it is basically free.

[ripe summit]

this probably dont want to do everytime

[keen beacon]

i dont really use nag in raid but a tip for ppl who use nag for combat. when you get 4pc t15 your gcd is so low during ar/sb you probably dont want to follow nag. you want to spam 2 ss then eviscerate. your gcd is too low for you to react to nag. youre gonna queue wrong spell or miss a gcd.

[keen beacon]

i think it sims the highest if you only vanish ambush during deep insight idk when else you would want to ambush tho.

[ripe summit]

curently is only during any of insight

[keen beacon]

i dont think that is the case on the current sim apl.

[ripe summit]

thanks ill change that

[wind prism]

Question: should I put up a 4 or 5 point Ruptures for Assassination? And 4 or 5 point Envenoms? I’ve heard conflicting information on both. The NAG says fire off both with 4 stacks. When I watch online I see quite a few Rogues popping off at 5 on both.

[ripe summit]

if u dont play anticipation talent 4-5 combo points are OK because u are wasting combopoints if u multiplate on 4 combopoint

or in execute phase should be only with 5 combpoints for envenom

[west warren]

@shut imp Is it possible to add a Time to Death to Rupture. The combat rota is suggesting 5 cp Rupute into adds that die 2-3 sec afterwards

[ripe summit]

Ill do that

[ripe summit]

should be in next beta

[west warren]

Nice ty!

[subtle cape]

.

[sick cypress]

With the new SOO patch, sims and rogue discord are using revealing strike over sinister strike as part of the rotation. Is there plans to build this into the combat rotation?

[shut imp]

i can update, for sure. can you be more specific? what spec that is?

oh you said

combatr

ill check

sending a beta soon!

ok wait

it was already doing that

wait no

im going mad, was comparing the old APL

i see whats new. will have a new rotation for it now

[sick cypress]

Thank you heaps ❤️

[shut imp]

should be out already! install the beta update and run a "/nag reset class" to make sure youre using the new rotation

check it under /nag > class > rotation manader

or right click the floating selector (floating N) and check the selected rotation

theres a combat SOO

and a regular combat

[ripe summit]

according to WoWsims its usesss SS during first Adrenaline rush

strange

[unreal dawn]

Maybe something to do with all the procs being active

Or, could be bloodlust

[ripe summit]

funny is if u prolong the fight to 600second it will use it during 2 first AR 😄

but yes u have probably true its because of BL

ill chcek it tommorow