MoP Paladin

[hallow crater]

guys

uring wings, we prio jugement over CS

NAG suggests CS uring wings

lemme sen a vieo

[hallow canopy]

make sure you have surv's new APL plz

[hallow crater]

yes I importe

@hallow canopy sorry but my screen recording didn’t work so I had to record from phone

You can clearly see here how CS is suggested before judgment during wings

[hallow canopy]

thats true, maybe a problem in the most recent version/APL

i rolled back a few and it was fixed

[hallow crater]

I just importe this one from Surv

[hallow canopy]

theres a parenthesis mismatch on surv's new apl

[hallow crater]

[hallow canopy]

been looking for it ever since hahaha

will ask gpt for help

[hallow canopy]

found it

@hallow crater

use the default on this one

[cunning lance]

This cannot be installed using curseforge yet right? Needs to be manual?

[hallow canopy]

not yet, just testing if everything is correct before sending to curse

[wanton lark]

holy shit, you actually did it. it works great on my end, I just spent 2 hours in CMs and didn't encounter any problems. ^^

[hallow crater]

im on it

[hallow crater]

You did it bro

All good

Now it suggests judgment correctly during wings

As well as how

I found no issues un dummy

[hallow crater]

NAG (4)?

[sick flame]

Amazing

[desert fern]

Whats the weakaura for the kry spells in the middle? Also is there a weakaura for trinket procs as well?

Sorry if its a dumb question pretty new to ui and shit i usually just played with simple bartender

[hallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/fireworks-elmo-fireworks-gif-4th-of-july-canada-day-gif-10060561666366723056

[hallow crater]

Time for beta 29 I believe guys

Hahaha

[hallow crater]

Tested here with default rota as you said

[harsh kraken]

Did you use the rotation that came with it or the one that Surveilant uploaded recently?

[hallow canopy]

Surv sent the rotation with a typo. I fixed in the default

[harsh kraken]

Got it… thanks

[hallow crater]

NAG (4) + efault rotation as per @hallow canopy

[hallow crater]

this is where I foun the CS prio over jugement uring wings

so the boss sent NAG (4) file

[wanton lark]

yeah, NAG(4) is the one that worked for me perfect, with default rotation.

by the way guys, thanks for all the effort fixing this relatively niche bug that only a couple of people reported, but it was driving me nuts, so much appreciated. ❤️

[haughty relic]

NAG (4) works perfect, ty boys!

the only thing I want now is the possibility to remove gloves from it

[hallow crater]

oh man yes...it works perfect now

[sick flame]

Just delete the 2 rotation lines that end with:

NAG:Cast(126734)
NAG:Cast(82174)

Boom! No more Synapse Springs

Can't you also disable things in the spell locations settings

[sick flame]

Typo?

In one of the conditions or something? I thought if you make that mistake, it won't let you press Save

[hallow canopy]

yeah but you made it be valid still ahahah
it had a parenthesis opening in one line and closing in another, it just interpreted it all as being a single line/check

[sick flame]

Ahhh

Did you guys know it's impossible to think straight while humming

[desert fern]

After the lastest update NAG recommends HoW for around 15 sec after AW ends. Did a full delete and and a clean install. Test on the Training Dummy so that might be relevant?

[hallow crater]

"NAG recommends HoW for around 15 sec after AW ends" ?

[sick flame]

Do you know what line that was

[hallow crater]

NAG simulates a fight in ummy

how much time i you set?

[sick flame]

Yeah try on a real mob not a dummy

[hallow crater]

after the time ens in ummy, HoW has highest prio

[desert fern]

When HoW its not castable

[desert fern]

Will do

[sick flame]

Are you on a target dummy? Against a dummy it is simulating a fight, sometimes it reaches execute in the simulation when its not really execute

[hallow crater]

take note NAG will interpret the ummy as in "execution" phase

after time ens

[sick flame]

Its never happened to me but

[hallow crater]

so HoW has higher prio at that time

[sick flame]

Ive heard it before

[hallow crater]

I can try it

[desert fern]

Noted

Thanks

[haughty relic]

Not right now

It’s like hardstuck

But it works with the removal of commands

[sick flame]

I wonder, you might also be able to simply comment out lines in the APL instead of deleting them

By simply putting -- in front

If it lets you save commented lua code

[hallow canopy]

yes it works!

[copper rune]

not sure if it's a known thing, but done everything and synapse still doesn't show up

[hallow crater]

Should be ok with the release

Please update to the release version

Also take note the gloves does not show up as it shows in other classes

Gloves should show up after using wings

Or when ES is ready

[scenic tusk]

still not showing up? I see there's 2 lines in the apl with identical conditions.
Can ya edit the APL. and comment out(--) or delete the 1st NAG:Cast(126734) line. just to make sure that's not blocking it?
@sick flame @hallow crater

[hallow crater]

It shows, it shows

[scenic tusk]

w/edit or w/o ? 🙂

@hallow crater

[hallow crater]

There are some classes that gloves are showing on the left by default when ready, that is no te case for the retri since there are conditions applied to them

Gloves start showing up when we press wings

[hallow crater]

With the current default rota buddy

No edit

[scenic tusk]

ah okie. .misunderstood 🙂 if you click that. it should show like other classes if ya mean that. Was a bug in that autocast forever? but not sure if that the root issue it had

[hallow crater]

There are also conditions applied to execution sentence

[hallow crater]

With that ticked, are not showing on the left by default

[scenic tusk]

ya kk, i just thought you meant they weren't showing up ever and they should be. ya meant they should be lol

ah kk

on beta?

or release

[hallow crater]

Release and beta

[scenic tusk]

o

hrm

[hallow crater]

I don’t have any problem Rak, I was just trying to explain how the gloves are showing up in retri NAG

[scenic tusk]

o ya, i get that now 🙂 i just misread my b 🙂

[hallow crater]

the problem that I have is with shaman weaving bar haha

[scenic tusk]

k, i see if i can see whats up. that one of fonsas babies haha but was lot of clean up and mighta affected it(fuck i hate english 🤣 )

[hallow crater]

try Spanish then LOL

[scenic tusk]

un cerveza por favor

[hallow crater]

hahahaha

una*

[scenic tusk]

donde esta el banjo?

know that wrong

but shit i can order one and get rid of one?

lol

[hallow crater]

hhaha

[scenic tusk]

and can label the boxes for removal... Basura

🤣

[hallow crater]

basura, exactly

trash

[scenic tusk]

lol

prob lost a bit, took some in school. went to few countries on trips etc in previouis lives lol. but that was eons ago

[hallow crater]

in previous lives lol

how ol are you

78?

[scenic tusk]

lol 50

[hallow crater]

young

[scenic tusk]

heh

[scenic tusk]

lol i just don't even know wtf that thing sopsed to show hard to debug it 🤣 @hallow canopy
Whats the 'problem' just not showing, or showing wrong now? and was it working before?

[sick flame]

There is 2 lines one with old spellid and one with new

All we needed was those 2 lines and to add the 126734 spellid to paladin.lua file

And gloves began working

(82174) old gloves
(126734) new gloves iirc

So there is one line for each

So that both work

We are still good right? Still no known issues for Ret Paladin, right guys?

Last APL update working for everyone?

[scenic tusk]

o ya, i gotchanow... i just misread and thought he meant it wasn't working and SHOULD not it should 😉

lol

[hallow crater]

yes Surv but there is some people that does not see the gloves appearing on the left by default so they might think its not working

but gloves start appearing on the left after using wings

or inq

[sick flame]

As in, not seeing them at all?

Or in the wrong position?

[hallow crater]

not seeing

[sick flame]

Hmm

After changing location does it work?

[sick flame]

Are you still having this issue on the newest release?

That should've been fixed last week

[hallow crater]

yes I think we are talking about the same here

let me send some screens

to explain it better

here, I just logge in

[sick flame]

Not looking at the APL rn but iirc the only condition for synapse is that

Either

(Inquisition active
AND
Ancient Power NOT active)

OR

Ancient Power == 12

[hallow crater]

in fron of dummy, not in combat

[hallow crater]

exactly, thats the point

[hallow crater]

gloves are showing up correctly if those conitions are met

[sick flame]

So it wont show up if you have inq active and ancient power is below 12, or ancient power is 12 but inq is not active

Which, you shouldn't be in those scenarios anyway right

[hallow crater]

yes

[sick flame]

So doesn't it work as intended then

You should save until you stack to 12 or use Inquisition

At least when using high level passive trinkets

[hallow crater]

yes, this is being met

[sick flame]

I havent hardcoded synapse around any active trinkets because there are no real good ones

[hallow crater]

gloves start showing up AFTER pressing inq

[sick flame]

But in the future that will be a thing

Changing based on if you have xyz strong active trinket

I guess I could hardcode darkmaster trinket but a bit late for that now and it would be pretty complicated i think

Cause it would also depend on talents and having multiple variables like that always gets messy

Hardcode synapse timing for darkmaster, i mean

But that should still line up decently anyway if you synapse at 12 with sancwrath

Or after inq while building stacks without sancwrath

So it honestly works out already for darkmaster

Just by happenstance

[hallow crater]

okay seems like gloves are not showing up now for me

yesteray night it was, but I replace the gloves for the tier ones

an synapse is no longer showing up

I did raid yesterday night with the same version but with other gloves. I just got the tier ones, enchanted with synapse and now it’s not showing up

[scenic tusk]

tier are the 'mark II' version?

[hallow crater]

what u mean?

[scenic tusk]

dunno lol, the other hyperspeed id surv mentioned. for the mark ii eng thing?

[hallow crater]

sorry not getting Rak

[scenic tusk]

🤷

lol

Mark II

haha

if same recipe though just on the upgraded gloves... then ya that def not right

[hallow crater]

yes, same receipt but on diff gloves

[scenic tusk]

kk just making sure again 😉 haha sorry

[hallow crater]

i dont have a clue about what mark II means haha

[scenic tusk]

ya same haha. i know surv asked bout iot long ago... guess it just some upgraded version available sometime in mists 😛

[hallow crater]

It was working with those gloves last night

but not with those ones

[scenic tusk]

wtf

lol

so maybe tierset checks cockblocking the hyperspeed check. will have to see if i can figure that one out

[copper rune]

Ya it’s not showing it at all, I’m currently using a quick and dirty weak aura to track it easily 😂

[sick flame]

Mark 2 is the better version from MoP

Mark 1 is from cata

They were working before

Idk what changed

Is 126734 still in the paladin.lua file???

For tracked spells

[harsh kraken]

I hate changing subjects but I am trying to replicate some things I noticed during the raid on a target dummy but I find that the NAG behaves differently in the Dummy. Is this the case?

[desert fern]

Yo whats the theory behind DS on 2+ targets over TV? Is it the mastery proc?

[austere meteor]

Is DS still > TV with 15% 2pc bonus dmg on only 2 targets

[scenic tusk]

yes, there are some differences with the dummy in calculations. Especially all health/time related functions. Whatcha notice/testing maybe we can figure it out or theorize the issues based on your observations? @harsh kraken

[harsh kraken]

The rotation in the dummy has its issues of their own. I am going to make my observations based on what I have experienced in raids and dungeons.

I made a comment a while ago about the NAG waiting on an HP builder to come off GCD when you could cast TV (while having 3 or more HP) and I think it has been consistently happening when it is almost time to refresh Inquisition.

The NAG shows that the next action will be an HP builder and I haven’t waited enough to see if it switches to Inquisition or something else before I cast TV but I have been looking at what the remaining time on Inquisition and it has been consistently happening when Inquisition has ~4seconds left

What could be happening is that the NAG is showing a placeholder when it should be Inquisition

I don’t know code 😞 to check it myself but that might be a good place to start.

[hallow canopy]

@sick flame is this intended? I could try to investigate ofc, but maybe thats something as intended in the apl?

[sick flame]

Its at least partially intended the way it sounds to me

This is almost certainly related to the look-ahead actions at the very bottom

Like sounds like it plans to go builder > spend HP on Inquisition after

Instead of TV now and potentially not have HP for Inquisition?

There is an inquisition look-ahead action at the bottom

Its going to be related to that

[sick flame]

ive got a fever or the flu or something right now but i can investigate more in a few days, idk just woke up today with a horrible fever

sounds like something that is at least partially intentional to me tho

with the look-ahead functions at the bottom

[sick flame]

I mean we could remove the inquisition look-ahead and that wouldn't happen anymore, but the NAG would also go blank when everything is on CD + you will refresh inquisition before anything comes off CD, until inquisition is about to drop then it would go from blank to inquisition

so if that sounds like behavior you'd prefer over what it is doing now

you can -- to comment that line out

at the bottom of the APL

the NAG:Cast(84963, 4.5) line at the bottom

iirc

you can comment that out to switch the behavior back to going blank inbetween

[harsh kraken]

Not really, I would rather keep it that way, it just felt weird waiting for the builders to come off CD instead of casting TV before knowing the reason. If it is intended, just leave it as is

[harsh kraken]

Not that I think about it, if Inquisition is next in line, why not show that as the next cast?

[sick flame]

Cause you can get a builder on CD first and inq after when the duration is even lower, right?

Saving you a few extra GCDs of inq

[harsh kraken]

Got it… that makes sense

[slim drum]

So i got the paid version of nag for ret a few weeks ago and was super impressed, i just came back to wow at the end of cata for the first time since wotlk 1.0. but our tank quit and ive never played prot. ive been fighting with it all through raid and tried a fresh reset of the addon. I did the APL directions to import from wow sims and its still not working. ive spent the last 3 hours fighting with it and im running out of time before raid tonight. i still have to sleep 😭 the screenshots in the directions dont match my class tab on the addon. after i converted the apl in the parser thread i download/copy/paste into import and its giving me a bunch of errors and not doing it. i also tried the fonsas rotation but its not showing cooldowns or switching from crusader strike to hammer of righteous. i pulled 15 or so mobs and itll prompt for holy wrath but not hammer of righteous. is this purposeful or am i bugging out?

in my screenshot fonsas' is toggled off but i turned it on to test and it just didnt feel right. im going to bed, i only have a few hours left and i still have to research bosses and set my bars 🙁

ty

[slim drum]

@sick flame i probably shoulda @ you this morning. ^

[hallow canopy]

Prot pal needs way more love

true

i will add a quest/reward to that

surv focused on ret

prot was all me, but i dont main prot so i YOLOed it

sorry for the mess

let me find someone to fix that for us

[slim drum]

yeah, honestly the prot rotation is pretty easy, but where im learning all the mechanics all at once while also trying to shot call it would be nice 😛 i do like the setup tho

[sick flame]

All good. Ive been busy irl and getting over being sick anyway

But yeah we haven't had anyone who plays prot to do prot for us yet. There are likely some hints you can take from the ret one, using ret as a template, then change stuff around for prot

I could possibly try my hand at it

[slim drum]

@sick flame honestly it wouldnt need much changing, im more of a gamer than a coder or i would help. The main things i noticed:

Not tracking engi gloves or wings.
Crusader strike doesnt switch to righteous hammer when multitargetting
Sacred shield is tracked wrong, its a 30s buff that youre supposed to refresh around 5s. When you get hit "it may be auto time trigger i cant remember" it gives you a 6 second shield buff, and nag is promting you to refresh off that instead of the actual 30s buff.

Im still learning prot pally so im not an expert, and i was mid raid so i didnt get to do focused testing but those are my main complaints

Honestly i dont think most people need nag for prot unless youre trying to parse, but its definitely helpful in instances like mine where i have to learn so much all at once. Its nice to have the rotation spelled out for you so you can focus on other things. Esp where tanks are shot calling

[sick flame]

Thanks this is helpful. With feedback like this, we may not even need a prot paladin to fix it. Ofc the NAG would be optimized for threat above all else

Or rather damage, if there is a distinction

[slim drum]

threat is easy even with full mit gear, also im not sure the exact relationship. but i know its not an issue. i would prio damage

mostly its just fixing the cooldown tracking and changing skill prio for aoe

[dusty trench]

Sacred Shield should not be refreshed off a timer but the current vengeance amount you have, which could very well be every 5 secs.

[scenic tusk]

ya, that and there is a damage taken value we aren't handling that the prot pal uses. it's on the long long long list lol

ProtectionPaladinDamageTakenLastGlobal

believe i recall seeing that in the current sim

[hallow crater]

hey ! anyone still not seeing the gloves appearing?

I know the synapse springs spell ID is the same but it started not showing up after replacing the hands by the HC set gloves

[storm hull]

I swear there is something wonky with paladin and the glove tinker.
Got the same weakaura on all my characters, to play a reminder sounds when they come off CD. It works flawlessly for all classes so far but the paladin. It just goes nah sometimes and does nothing

[humble robin]

I don't see glove Tinker on shaman either

[harsh kraken]

While raiding yesterday I noticed that neither the gloves or GoAK was showing.

I didn't download the Beta until now. I was running the latest version that was on Curseforge

The latest beta is showing GoAK but not the gloves.

[hallow crater]

Yeah that’s it

Something happened with the gloves

[scenic tusk]

will look thx

[sick flame]

Gloves still not working for yall?

We did have it working a few weeks ago

Needed added to paladin.lua file remember and a small APL tweak to handle both types

[scenic tusk]

ya i asked few ppl but haven't heard since i don't got no eng gloves hard to test 🙁

[scenic tusk]

dang, ya none of 'our' toons got engineering to test it... pita. does it work if you just have one of the 2 lines? is it the mark II maybe catching it and causing the next line to not trigger for MARK I?

[jaunty jay]

NAG key not working?

[scenic tusk]

should be. unfortunately if ya using curse ya gonna need to use the wago or nag-updates version. curse stopped letting us send updates

i'd suggest updating to the beta release, it's def stable and should be 99% keybinds ignored of course 😉

lol

❤️

[harsh kraken]

Still not working

Not working on Warrior neither

at least on arms

[austere meteor]

Aye engineering gloves haven't worked for pallies in quite some time

[arctic geode]

anyone know this ?

do the nag addon tell me when to use aoe like hammer of the righteous or defensive like divine protection shield of shield of righeteous hand of freedom hand of protection turn evil argent defender avenging wrath hand of sacrifice guardain of ancient kings or blinding light ?

for prot pala

[desert fern]

anyone having trouble with Exo not showing up in rotation ever?

[hallow crater]

No

[desert fern]

Weird, Exo never shows up in my rotation

Tried reinstalling nag but didnt change anything

[scenic tusk]

which version? ya on the old curse or the newer updated betaS?

[desert fern]

Tried beta 56, beta 54. Now trying more versions

[scenic tusk]

o, well it shouldn't matter by diff ones

long as ya using the 5.5.6 not 5.5.5 betas 🙂

#🌟｜nag-updates message ie this

[desert fern]

Yes I am, tried throgh Wago and manually from #🌟｜nag-updates

Still the same

[scenic tusk]

ah k, and whats Exo again? lol

ya might be using a custom rotation? or ya i assume reset?

[desert fern]

Exorcism

[scenic tusk]

ya using the default ret rotation?

[desert fern]

Dunno how to even set a custom one, im using this one

This was set by default i never switched anything on/off. But exo should be in every rotation

It does work on 5.5.4. stable version btw, just tested that one

[scenic tusk]

hrm, i'm on most recent(of course heh) i don't have the tier set on this paladin though but that only applies when targets beteween 2-4

@desert fern

it show on a single target?

[desert fern]

I was testing on single target the dummy in org and in the world too

must be something on my side but dont know what

As i said on 5.5.4 it works but as soon as i update it exo stops showing

[scenic tusk]

/nag reset class and see if that helps? shouldn't need it but ya, not sure. maybe it got set to ignore in the spelllocations section?

[arctic geode]

hey guys i have a question

hy dont my nag tell me to use hammer of the righteous on aoe it tell me to use crusader strike

[austere meteor]

use enemy nameplates

[arctic geode]

what do it help me for

i just dont understand why nag dont tell me to use hammer of the righteous for aoe for my nag it say i want to use crusader strike

[austere meteor]

Addon has to see that there's multiple enemies you have to have nameplates on for this

[arctic geode]

so i need enemy nameplates for it to show for nag ?

[austere meteor]

Yes because blizzard is a tool and disabled addons ability to range check

[arctic geode]

ohh

i didnt know that

is it the top one i need ?

[austere meteor]

So ya use nameplates or just do the aoe rotation you know when "you" know there's more enemies

[arctic geode]

The nag dont have any aoe rotation for prot pala

[austere meteor]

No just in game hit like shift + v

Default hotkey might be something else can't remember if I changed that one

[arctic geode]

are you the guy that did make prot pala nag for mop classic ?

[austere meteor]

No sorry

[arctic geode]

is this addon the corect one i need for nag to show me when to cast hammer of the righteous ?

[austere meteor]

You don't need an addon you just need to turn on the in game nameplate healthbars above mobs heads check your hotkey options for what key combo to press to turn them on/off mines shift + v

[arctic geode]

i aleredy did it

but i dont understand why nag tell me to use crusader strike for prot pala instead of hammer of the righteous

[austere meteor]

Maybe prot is bugged does it work for you on ret with nameplates enabled?

[arctic geode]

i dont have ret active

[austere meteor]

@hallow canopy

[arctic geode]

oh god

fonsas will come here and be angry at me

it is probaly early for him

[hallow canopy]

[hallow canopy]

hahaha it isnt, its fine

[arctic geode]

i am desperate

plz help

[hallow canopy]

you dont need an addon to allow the nag to count mobs around you.. just press V to show nameplates

[hallow canopy]

thats probably bcs prot pala sucks

[arctic geode]

ohh

[hallow canopy]

i made it out of a wowhead guide

[arctic geode]

but my guild want me as prot pala

[hallow canopy]

im trying to find someone to help us out

[arctic geode]

ok thanks

[hallow canopy]

theres even an https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1414877674786000999 prot pal specific quest

[austere meteor]

Beta 58 still no engi gloves showing for ret pali rotation

[sick flame]

yeah i dont have the expertise to fix this unfortunately just have to wait for rakizi or fonsas to find a fix

i have no idea what happened, we had it working for a bit there

[dim sable]

just macro to exe sent

[hallow canopy]

got it. will be live next beta

[austere meteor]

still not seeing this 5.5.7 beta 1

[hallow canopy]

huh! do you have an addon like dragonflight UI that shows you the ID of the buff when you hover the mouse over it?

if so, can you plz screenshot the ID/name of your version of the buff so i can test on my end

[austere meteor]

i do not is there anything non intrusively entire ui changing i can download just to check it

i will try idtip

[austere meteor]

agi version seems to be 96228 dont have an int user engi unfortunately

[scenic tusk]

@austere meteor can ya hover over hte item, whats the enchantID for that one? sorry just catching up with the channels

[harsh kraken]

if you are asking for the Synapse Springs I am seeing it on 5.5.6 as a strength user

It started to show up after one of the most recent updates

[scenic tusk]

hrm. wtf lol.. @austere meteor 's isn't

was a bug previously in the scanning for trinkets not getting updated which got fixed, so assumed the rest had been too but seems something goin gon still

[harsh kraken]

yeah, it stopped showing for everyone a while ago and with one of the most recent updates got fixed but I am not using any of the betas

still on 5.5.6

[scenic tusk]

ahh.. kk

[austere meteor]

Ya I'm 5.5.7 b3 updating to b4 now

[austere meteor]

Are you specifically a ret pally

Not prot or war or dk because I think only ret has been broken no?

[scenic tusk]

no sense, same one still working fine on the DK @austere meteor

[austere meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/never-ending-gif-24810109

[harsh kraken]

I am

Check it out... It is showing

I noticed it wasn't showing on my main ret with higher ilvl

going to test it out on my main ret

@scenic tusk are you on?

[scenic tusk]

always

[harsh kraken]

do you wanna see my screen while I test it?

[scenic tusk]

sure i suck at seeing things get overloaded 🤣 but ya let's play 🙂 haha

[harsh kraken]

As I said, it is showing on my alt ret but it is not showing on my main character

c

[austere meteor]

ya im 517 gloves on all my rets

[harsh kraken]

@scenic tusk are we having memory issues with the NAG where it is lowering the FPS in game?

[scenic tusk]

There have been reports yes, try the one i just pushed a few ago though

last 2 updates should have some big performance fixes... still the memory issues to address. and garbage collection could def cause probs... still working on that one

[harsh kraken]

got it... I have been going crazy trying to find out why I have been having low fps for the past few weeks. I was almost reinstalling windows.

[scenic tusk]

o 🙁

Ya, see if it seems better after this release

er beta/release

#🌟｜nag-updates message

[harsh kraken]

cool

[scenic tusk]

still no fix for the synapse for y'all other than putting it on a different set of gloves lol

will look at that soon as i can lol

[sick flame]

dang

[late wagon]

i have gotten the newest nag but i still dont see my synapse psrings anyone know hyw ?

the only class i set it synaps is on my rouge

[austere meteor]

read one post above surveillant which is above yours

[lofty sun]

going to be making a ret pala is the nag in a good spot as havent played with it as ret

[hallow canopy]

best possible, literal perfection

timing is important as ret.. spam skills before GCD is off and you can squeeze more spells in the burst window

[austere meteor]

Can't be perfection until we get a real glove fix for synapse springs for high ilvl gloves nag doesn't seem to like

[hallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/please-hold-stewart-peter-dinklage-30rock-hold-on-gif-21961118

i broke it to fix locks, all i have to do now is break locks again

nobody likes locks anyway

hhahaha but for real, i know where to fix. i will take a look if i can hardcode gloves solutions

[hallow canopy]

define high ilvl gloves

so i can test

[austere meteor]

@hallow canopy I tested my 517 ilvl tier gloves with razki having me do custom rotation with just synapse cast in it and nothing was making it show up we tried a few different id's acquired with idtip addon

[austere meteor]

@hallow canopy was around this date

[hallow canopy]

Gotcha. Alright will see where i can get us!
Hopefully not breaking anything else
Ill tag you here when i get a new version out

[hasty jay]

i saw that 😛

[hallow canopy]

@austere meteor alright got it patched ( i think) could only test with 509 gloves

let me send a beta in 20-30 min

[hallow canopy]

and i didnt break locks back hahaha

[austere meteor]

nada sent you dm of test rota and statemanager dump

[hallow canopy]

i sent a beta that fixed it and gess what

broke DKs, locks, rogues and more

LMAO

what a life man

patched them now

hopefully it wont mess items with spells anymore

[placid pebble]

props to you! I just realised I used a very old NAG version up until now, because I didn't notice the addon wasn't updated on curseforge anymore since august

only that I never would have noticed if I only used the ret NAG, because it was very good from the start 😄 Only noticed today because (after he arms warrior nag feeled let's say... unpolished) the fury one from august felt liek a total alpha version xD

[hallow canopy]

sent another one. still shows gloves, not breaking anything else

[harsh kraken]

That is fine... maybe we can catch up with their DPS now

[austere meteor]

i have some bad news for you my friend (go to wowsims they have the new gear for phase 3 and just build any semi bis list and test dps) its not looking any kind of remotely good for us pinks

lets just say ret is like 232k dps and fire mage is 333k dps

~_~

neither of those are in 100% bis but sim was having an issue reforging with some better trinket options but gives a general outlook for tot if blizz makes no changes

[harsh kraken]

I think we simmed close to 245k... not even close to fire mage but a lil better

I have faith that Blizz will give us a lil buf

[austere meteor]

Ya avg seems to be around 265k-270k I'm not suprised if you got a little higher numbers for ret as I said I did it manually and I know it wasn't 100% bis because our bis trinket was causing a reforging bug making every piece reforge hit rating for some reason when I did this 10 days ago

Mainly propped up by fury feral rogues and mages haha

[mint gyro]

im testing at dummy this new update, nothing appears when i start the encounter @hallow canopy

[hallow canopy]

Ty! i will run some more tests!
Last i double checked it was working. Can you run a "/nag reset class" just to be sure?

[mint gyro]

this is after nag rest class and updated beta18

[hallow canopy]

found it! sending the fix!

next beta should be live soon, plz test again

[mint gyro]

and just in case, ive already done nag reset class^^, the problem still there 🙃

[hallow canopy]

thats actually a new one. ty for reporting again. i did a full scan and sent another beta

plz tr it out in a few min

[south tendon]

Oh shit thats my bad was late when i pushed it😅

[mint gyro]

Sorry for the late feedback, but the baby woke up^^, the error is still there

[hallow canopy]

guess what i found out

i was making the fixes and testing them in the wrong addon folder

let me run some more tests and send another beta

[hallow canopy]

plz try again!

[mint gyro]

no errors now, ty

[pseudo flame]

my nag for prot pal isnt showing up on the screen

[south tendon]

om looking into it

[south tendon]

are you on the latest build? and still nothing when attacking a target?

[pseudo flame]

NAG-5.6.1-beta23.zip

nothing

[south tendon]

try "/nag reset class" then do a /reload and try on a target again

[pseudo flame]

that worked

thanks

[hallow canopy]

just saw your DM

was about to test

[pseudo flame]

sorry i shouldnt have dm'd u

[hallow canopy]

haha

np at all

[south tendon]

wonderful glad it worked

[mint gyro]

i want to ask something, is it normal for the nag to recommend the sacred shield even when it's not on cooldown?

[south tendon]

might need som adjustments to the threasholds good catch

[ocean slate]

Any reason the new Prot rotation doesn't use Holy Wrath, AV or Cons in single target at all? Noticed it had an update and decided to play around with it.
Hit a target dummy for 3 minutes and it didn't prompt me once to use any of those 3 and instead told me to way 2.5 - 3 secs for CS to come off CD.

Currently using v5.6.1 stable (not sure if it's fixed in a beta?).

[hallow canopy]

@south tendon question right there! can you tweak that for us plz?

[south tendon]

Ya for sure we can fix that, will look into it tonight👍

[ocean slate]

I figured it wasn't intentional.
I will say, it always wanting to SOTR at 3HP feels weird. curious, are there any situations it takes you to 5 in the newer rotation or nah?

[wind star]

Have had the same issue, Feels like it recommends sacred shield every 10-12 seconds, even if its already up and rolling.

[south tendon]

Going to push a fix for it👍

[harsh kraken]

The NAG is showing Holy Avenger even if you don’t have the talent

[scenic tusk]

bout to crash, but i'll take a look in the morning see what i did lol

[hallow canopy]

newest beta? I totally reviewed talents a few betas ago. If the newest beta broke then @scenic tusk can patch it when he wakes up ❤️

[harsh kraken]

I’ll check in about an hour and let you know

[south tendon]

Quick check what specc?

[harsh kraken]

Ret

[scenic tusk]

@harsh kraken assume this was on latest beta?

[harsh kraken]

It is fixed on Beta20

[scenic tusk]

ah kk

ya i couldn't reproduce. was banging my head haha ❤️

tx

assume the charge issue the same?

[harsh kraken]

That one isn’t fixed

[scenic tusk]

o, interesting

damn ptr down too now grr

[harsh kraken]

@scenic tusk When having less than 5HP and everything is in CD it should recommend Divine Storm on 4+ Targets but it just doesnt

I'll send you a vod

[mint gyro]

Paladin[ERROR]: SaveRotation: rotationString is missing - rotation will not execute, on beta 26, on spec protection

[chilly matrix]

Nag showing denounce to anyone else is Prot spec?

[south tendon]

It should cast denounce

[chilly matrix]

Denounce is holy only or am I missing something?

[austere meteor]

sir that is holy only

[austere meteor]

beta 27 the latest ret is blanking out more than it should and not showing wings gloves gotak inqusition cds when they are off cd @scenic tusk @hallow canopy

[south tendon]

My bad was only reading the id s denounce inharited the id from holy wrath, will adjust it

[austere meteor]

reseting and also hard reseting (deleting saved variable file in wtf) did not fix

[harsh kraken]

yeah.. this is still an issue on Beta 28

[austere meteor]

@scenic tusk @hallow canopy can confirm still hapening on beta 28

[hallow canopy]

roll back, the latest 2 versions are a bit buggy overall

we working on it

but theres another major error we are trying to fix first

[austere meteor]

any advince on which? was getting some major lag issues on beta 9 which was what i was using prior

updated and it helped alot just having these rotation issues

[hallow canopy]

try 25

but tbh idk when it started. we are wrapping up these issues we are having soon.

and will fix all other bugs we inserted

likely tomorrow will be another major fix

[harsh kraken]

Beta 25 is better

it has a couple of issues but it is better

[austere meteor]

tyvm

[scenic tusk]

which abilities misbehaving now on the paladin? won't be able to jump on one till tmw. but hope to have some of these resolved then and fonsas might find few today lol

[austere meteor]

Avenging Wrath, Guardian of Ancient Kings, Execution Sentance, Inquisition, engi gloves

[hallow canopy]

@scenic tusk

[scenic tusk]

<@&1375695907277897778> upcoming beta32 should resolve paladin issues.. not sure what happen other than i know it was me 🤣 but someone first 15 lines were missing from the rotation. Apologies again, been bit chaotic past week.
#🌟｜nag-updates message

@harsh kraken

@austere meteor

❤️ lemme know any other issues

[ocean slate]

I've been holding off updating since I noted issues a few weeks ago.
I'll update after work and have mess around to see how it feels now.

On this, is there anyway to see a breakdown of the rotations in game? Kinda like how you can view it in Wowsims? Just a curiosity question really.

[scenic tusk]

@ocean slate not a great way. you can view the string itself in the rotation editor. the visual editor, while it's not fully working can see one but nothing nice like on wowsims really so can see all at once

string has id's of course, so that hard to 'read' editor just shows 1 option at a time.

then could look at the apl monitor from debug section which is a bit better

[ocean slate]

I take it there's no way to go backwards and take a NAG rotation, convert it to a point it can be loaded into Wowsims?

Mostly just curious at what the current rotations are, and maybe dabble / tweak for my own personal use & for the lols.

[scenic tusk]

not yet, but the stuff i was working on when i broke things i was working on that. i would like that ability

well related to that

monitor like that so it readable at least and some things converted for us heh

and visual editor be like that

so similar output on right, but just 1 node at a time

[harsh kraken]

@scenic tusk

jk.... it seems to be working now

lol

[harsh kraken]

The nag is still showing to cast Exorcism (879) even it if is on cooldown when you could spend your Holy Power on Templar's Verdict (85256) or Divine Storm (53385)

[scenic tusk]

hrm, after a /nag reset class still like that mal? mine (granted it's only 85) but it's not showing that

@harsh kraken

[harsh kraken]

I just turned the computer off. I’ll check it again tomorrow.

I’m didn’t do a full reset thou

Just an update

[scenic tusk]

np thanx for checking

[harsh kraken]

it seems to be working properly after a /nag reset class

I'll test it out more extensively tomorrow in raid

[harsh kraken]

Ret is working fine

[hallow canopy]

can you plz try a "/nag reset class"

[scenic tusk]

nah

that's fixed in the next beta

[hallow canopy]

oh cool!

[harsh kraken]

Good morning,

We need to make a slight adjustment to the Paladin's APL... Once we have the 4PC T15, the prio during wings is no longer Judgment > CS, CS becomes higher prio than Judgment

[hallow canopy]

Can be done! Do you have the 4pc for us to test?

[harsh kraken]

I do

[sturdy geyser]

Is this adjustment changed ? just wonder if i need a specific version of nag for it ?

[harsh kraken]

It got updated a few betas back

You should have it if you have the most recent version

[wanton lark]

anyone else have their Execution Sentence recommendation stay permanently, even after the ability is used and on cooldown?

correction: after I use Execution Sentence it recommends me Light's hammer lmao.

fixed it by changing this line or (NAG:AuraIsActive(84963) and ((not NAG:AuraIsActive(86700)) or (NAG:AuraNumStacks(86700) == 12)) and NAG:SpellIsKnown(114158)) and NAG:Cast(114158) by adding and (not NAG:SpellIsKnown(114916)) conditional as well.

[austere meteor]

Which version? I'm not having this issue but I'm on either beta 65 or 68 can't remember off the top of my head

[void flame]

how do i get the key ?

[hallow canopy]

/generate_key

[harsh kraken]

@scenic tusk can you please look into why the NAG is not recommending Divine Storm on 2+ targets?

it stopped doing it a few updates ago

[scenic tusk]

o dang, that not good haha. hrm, ya i think we got a paladin somewhere lol gimme few

[harsh kraken]

I'm online if you want to test it out

It isn't consistent thou... sometimes it does recommend DS on 2+ sometimes it doesnt

[scenic tusk]

hrm ok

[wanton lark]

for me the nameplate detection was messed up, I fixed it by enabling the interact mode. maybe it's that?

[harsh kraken]

It might be that… I’ll check in a few minutes

[austere meteor]

is DS more dmg on 2 targets if we have 4pc proc tho?

[harsh kraken]

No but sometimes it isn’t showing ds on 3+ targets

[harsh kraken]

Where did you enable that?

[wanton lark]

class tab

[coarse orbit]

nag keeps saying my key is invalid

[hallow canopy]

try to update the addon plz!

[wanton lark]

hey guys, is there no prot rotation being shipped with the paladin package? I only have Surv's ret rotation available but I remember there being prot before.

[split apex]

can you pls point me to the discord channel where i see all the updates? i swear i cant find it anymore

[hallow canopy]

https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1257963268169797663 or just https://github.com/afonsohfontes/NAGHelperApp/releases/ and it will keep it updated for you

[wanton lark]

hey guys, is there a prot rotation in the works? there for sure used to be one before.
just wanna know if I should wait or if I have to write one myself.

[austere meteor]

seems ret has lost synapse gloves display again @hallow canopy

[hallow canopy]

kekme! we may have lost the "make gloves be item again" hack i did last time.. let me check again

[hallow canopy]

did we hide it? let me check what hapened

[hallow canopy]

there is a prot rotation in place. plz try a "/nag reset class" see if it was corrupted or somehting

[hallow canopy]

gloves should be back, plz try beta

[wanton lark]

that worked, cheers

[scenic tusk]

.

[ocean slate]

.

[torn cloud]

N

[austere meteor]

@scenic tusk @hallow canopy getting some hard freezes with this error message on new mop patch

[hallow canopy]

i will send another beta soon! when i do, plz try a /nag > enable the performance mode
see if that helps

[austere meteor]

I mean my game runs at 240fps pretty consistently if there's no errors this seems more of a error with the new patch that broke a lot of add-ons like details elvui and a ton of others

[hallow canopy]

can you please run the NAG with a few less addons? blizzard is silently reducing the processing tolerance time in addons so if one breaks we all break

i mean

it would help a lot if we could corner whos making them break

im sure your machine can handle, its blizzard being blizzard and freezing addons when one of them breaks

[austere meteor]

I use
1: atlasloot
2: auctionator
3:baganator
4: bugGrabber
5:bugsack
6: details
7:fojjicore
8: gargul
9:Nag
10: postal
11:prat
12:rclootcouncilclassic
13:reforgeliteclassic
14:syndicator
15:weakauras

Its already extremely slim without breaking basic functionality

[hallow canopy]

bet, i meant more in a way of us knowing if this is a NAG problem or anything else breaking the NAG

but in short, the performance mode just chops down memory usage and clears cache more frequently

worth a try

let me send you a zip