MoP DK

[median wigeon]

doesn't seem to work either

It has problem with refreshing dot with plague strike & after plague leech

never tells to

[night urchin]

Can you try implementing the same fix that Kime has done?

And just wanna say again ty guys for being so on top of this rly helps us out

[median wigeon]

no idea how to and can't rly do that in raid right now x)

[median wigeon]

From what I've seen, the dot issues are only on bosses

when there are adds in the fights, the suggestions for plague strike & plague leech are working

weird ?_?

[naive portal]

u playing uh or frost? do u have others dk in the group or are u the only one?

[median wigeon]

UH

and there was a blood dk and a frost in the raid

ooooh I see where you're going

nag is checking if dot is on boss but not specificaly yours ?

[naive portal]

yeah, in the current state its just checking that the dot is applied

You can go rn to a dummy that is being hit by someone else (with dots) and get the spellId of any of their dots and throw a /dump NAG:DotIsActive(their Spell Id) in the chat and thats gonna return true even tho you dont even have that spell to begin with

[median wigeon]

will try that tomorrow on latest version ! Ty

(it supposed to fix the issue or just see that there's a problem ? xD)

[naive portal]

I did fix it on my end as i showed it on the video but if i were you i wouldnt download anything from a random person on the internet 😛

its to validate that the problem persists even on the latest version that fonsas sent us

[median wigeon]

Oh okay ! Will wait for fix then :p

[naive portal]

yeah, i hope we get a new beta soon with this to test it out

[wheat rivet]

have yall tried a nag reset?

ive had some issues that werent fixed in versions in the past that were said to be fixed and doing a reset usually fixed it

[viral hedge]

oops.. hah ya, think that was a major oversight.
had a ton of changes to make, def should be using the PLAYER for that one and Global should not for things like rend etc

[lament bluff]

Does the beta 39 have that fix sir?

[viral hedge]

should be yup!

[lament bluff]

Cool!!!

[viral hedge]

added overrides to the UnitDebuff

which will also allow us to not need to use the different DotGlobal variations

one less customization from the default wowsim

[lament bluff]

Let’s go!

[viral hedge]

of course testing these is a pita lol...

[slow escarp]

joining late, we good here or anything still missing?

[viral hedge]

i think i pushed a release too late haha 🙁

the beta has the @naive portal fix and changes to the aura handler and your changes

[viral hedge]

haha, actually think that has all but the actual change. just the overrides. just noticed that as i was cleaning up some other stuff 😛 i push that in a sec

ya, to integrate some of the newer api's into the new module those are just fallbacks atm sorry didn't notice what ya had posted at first

[viral hedge]

40 should have the change. same as what kime had posted, but the version in EnhancedAuraHandlers

[lament bluff]

Then I shoulda test beta 40 not 39 right?

[viral hedge]

ya lol

it had all but the main piece heh

just some cleanup but just pushed w/e was in my repo to 41 lol

6am, my brains mostly stopped fntioning ithink

[viral hedge]

Think most of issues were the stacking issues for buffs, also consolidated lot of the DotIsActiveGlobal etc and the Debuff* checks into the single versions via config override system in the aurahandler
... but it of course shouldn't be breaking the existing stuff too

the reg stuff seems fine. but stacking untested cause dummies were empty lol

ya. the 41 was just cleanup stuff. nothing else. and added some more buffs to the global list that we weren't using but for completion

[naive portal]

nicee, ill test it later on dungeons

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo Hey Sir. Im gonna try RE instead of BT tonight. does NAG consider RE or is hardcoded with BT?

[solemn halo]

it should be saving 1 unholy rune like cata

[lament bluff]

Ok cool so should be there already

[clever yacht]

Is there a WA that compliments the DK rotation in NAG? My friend said he found one on this disc but I'm not having such luck

[night urchin]

The NAG started as a weakaura but that’s been defunct for a while it’s just the addon which provides u all the UI that the weakaura did plus a lot more 🙂

[clever yacht]

cool ty

[lament bluff]

hello! just starte testing unholy NAG

I dont see here the raise dead right? is not suggested anywhere so dark transformation is never suggested

on the other hand, why no Outbreak suggestion when at distance??

[night urchin]

You should just have ghoul up always we never added a check for whether ghoul was up or not. Isn’t a bad idea to add in though is kind of an out of combat thing or whatever but ya it can obvs die in combat too

[night urchin]

Generally ur opener will be Gerald into PS so you can outbreak with all ur snaps and thus keep spending ur runes on higher dmging abilities while u have ur procs up, is why its like that

And if it took two globals to get into melee ud Gerald into DnD

[lament bluff]

clear!

[lament bluff]

Gerald you mean Gary?

also, what to do when SS|dnd?

what to use?

[night urchin]

Use DnD on CD basically, as long as the enemy is in it for 8 seconds or longer it’s more dmg than SS

So if u get the entire spells uptime basically, and then obvs cut that time needed in half if 2 targets etc etc

Now if it were something like Sha P2 and adds were about to spawn u might hold ur DnD for a few seconds but its a very short CD of 30s so generally sending it whenever its up is better

[lament bluff]

yeah exactly

okay so ST we prio dnd over SS

[night urchin]

Yes the rotation is extremely similar to Cata

Just diff trinkets an actual exe button and obvs only snapping diseases but nuts and bolts r all the same

[lament bluff]

yeah cool

[meager hound]

https://tenor.com/view/dk-deathknight-bfa-wow-bo-s-gif-13062557

[lament bluff]

now I need to find out the optimal way to have macros for both cds and pet stuff

aghhhh missing frost LOL

[meager hound]

i've been running frost but i want to give unholy a try

[lament bluff]

im on the exactly same page

Just got a free Shin'ka so...

[meager hound]

i can buy the celestial shin'ka so might try it

[solemn halo]

I would just have a separate weak aura for checking if pet is alive

Should be one in the resources channel

[median wigeon]

And for me im running uh and want to try frost hahaha

[lament bluff]

Sorry I didn’t read this comment. Can u please elaborate this statement a bit more? What u mean by 2 globals? What determines if we do Gary into PS instead of Gary into DnD?

On the other hand guys, when and where do you place the gloves?

[next stump]

range

ps is melee

if you cant ps

you dnd

and then ps

outbreak should be kept for snapshot

[lament bluff]

Any useful macro? I haven’t found any specific but I just created my owns like /use 10 into /cast outbreak and berserking into gary into petattack

[lament bluff]

Gotcha

[next stump]

should also always be using whatever the speed is called

i use it on prepull every time to get close to the boss, 30s cd

very good button

[lament bluff]

Then here guys, why not showing DnD based on the range check? Or a split middle icon at least? Since we can’t use PS at 20 yards? This might confuse a bit like okay I just wait to be in melee to cast PS

[median wigeon]

hey guys for frost 2h ST+aoe target

is this one the good rotation to select ?

(I guess, but there is "frost 2h" too)

[solemn halo]

Fonas kinda messed up the names but the bottom 2h one is single target only

[median wigeon]

okay ty ! Gonna have to smash a bit less my button cuz' i'm using killing machine proc on frost strike doing that hahaha

Bad UH habits

[lament bluff]

guys, do the disease snapshot benefit form haste?

or just AP?

[night urchin]

Felwinter in Blight Club was nice enough to make this picture 🙂

Shows what’s dynamic vs snapped and which stats affect what

[lament bluff]

oh thank you so much

ok so sending gary + berseking on pull doesnt look so bad then

and synapse + outbreak maybe

on the other hand, I have another question...(oh, suprise!) and is regarding to the PL usage when we have a good snapshot in place

I see NAG suggesting PL even though the current snapshop is quite good...are we not f* up that snapshot by casting PL into PS?

of course we are getting more runes so I assume is worth to loose that snapshot in order to get more runes and spend them into other abilities that do more damage compared to the damage we are sacrificing by refreshing a stronger snapshot?

[night urchin]

No you would PL before resnapping basically

it should be suggesting that when you have procs rolling so you're going to resnap

so basically you're spending an extra global to get 2 runes instead of just resnapping at that moment

I didn't see it erroneously suggesting PL when I had worked on it so it should be good

[lament bluff]

yeah im sure about that

it might be just me haha

ill try to pay more attention...(maybe im getting fucked by the Merfin's snapshoting numbers shown in the dk WA)

[night urchin]

Are you saying you're having PL show when your snapshotting WA shows negative numbers and there's a lot of time left on your diseases, and no trinket procs are up?

Just want to nail this down so we can clear up any confusion, or if there is an error identify and fix it 🙂

[lament bluff]

this is what I found

However, outbreak is suggested right after PL, which I believe is ok

[lament bluff]

here seems like I f up the current snap

[lament bluff]

but here seems im getting an even better snap since FC did proc

[night urchin]

How long do your diseases have remaining?

if it's 3s then that's why it's suggesting PL cuz ur diseases are about to run out

So is higher value to get the PL off and get the runes back than to let diseases tick one more time then fall off

[lament bluff]

it happend exactly what you said yeah

[lament bluff]

gotcha

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo hello sir. Im testing the oblit build and im noticing the following pattern: PL-->HB-->PS which is okay but its even the same when KM is up. Its RNG of course but if KM is up at the moment u press PL, NAG is strictly suggesting HB into PS and then, oblit to consume the KM proc. Wouldnt that be more optimal to prio oblit in all the circumstances when KM is up? for instance, if KM is up after PL, why not consuming the KM proc on oblit and then PS since PS dps is kinda residual?

[lament bluff]

in that scenario, we are using 2 globals until we press oblit with KM so we are potentially loosing chances to get another KM during that period?

[lament bluff]

same thing for masterfrost

[solemn halo]

I think you would rather not oblit without diseases

That’s 25% of its damage

[astral silo]

This sounds like an APL question, which is better suited to simming no?

[timid cargo]

Question regarding masterfrost build if anyone can DM me would be great or I can vent here lmao

[solemn halo]

What’s up

[timid cargo]

I played frost DK back in wrath, had alot of fun. This time around in MoP, to min/max masterfrost feels like fatigue. All I am doing is staring at my ability bar, rotation feels so clunky, and even though I am doing well in DPS, just not having the most fun. Is it common to feel like this at all? What can be done? Sorta wish we were back in wrath with just focusing on obliterates..

[solemn halo]

It’s not that clunky honestly

Spam howling blast

Keep up blood plague with unholy rune

Oblit with the other unholy runes

Frost strike on KM procs and when full or no runes

That’s it

Sure there is thinking involved in using runes instead of spamming oblit

But it makes it more fun to me

[timid cargo]

I appreciate your honesty, and your YT videos are very well done. I’ll go back to them and watch them a bit more and see I guess. When I stare at the NAG during fights trying to copy it, there just doesn’t seem any familiarity with the sequence really

[viral hedge]

ya using the 48 or the new beta ram? 🙂

[lament bluff]

48

[viral hedge]

O, give the new one a try see if things back to normal? Ya my most vocal critic I need ya 🤣 ❤️

[limber topaz]

@night urchin whats the new experimental unholy rota about? Curiosity 😀

[viral hedge]

uses the GroupRef and Variables stuff wowsims implemented recently.
I added support while back, allows cleaning up the rotations things are calculated less often by using reusable groups/variables etc @limber topaz

think it's just a ST experimental thing atm

[limber topaz]

Interresting, ty !

[clever yacht]

what's the lightning icon on prepull bar for unholy?

[slow escarp]

prepot, let me fix that

oh, it should already have been fixed

just realized this was a while ago

[clever yacht]

ah, nice. thx!

[south cosmos]

Hello did nag handle unholy blight?

[foggy quail]

@here New to NAG, yesterday was my first run with it (on BDK) and I keep getting an alert to use Death Coil instead of Rune Strike... thats correct?

[random crystal]

What weapon are you using?

[foggy quail]

517 BDK with Heroic Shinka

The only fight I test it was on 1st TOES boss, Protectors. Solo tanking. After that I just turned it off…

[slow escarp]

The BDK APL compares your current attack power (AP) against a live weapon-damage snapshot before ever spending RP on Death Coil. Specifically, it only flips from Rune Strike when both conditions are true:

1. You’re holding at least 40 Runic Power.
2. Your AP satisfies AP ≥ 6.268 × weaponDamage − 4,476.92.
   Only then does Death Coil (47541) fire; otherwise it defaults back to Rune Strike (56815), which is always ready at 30 RP and has no AP gate.

With your weapon (14,525–21,788 damage), the breakpoints work out to:

• Low swing (14,525): AP ≥ 6.268 × 14,525 − 4,476.92 ≈ 86,600
• Average swing (~18,156): AP ≥ 6.268 × 18,156 − 4,476.92 ≈ 109,000
• High swing (21,788): AP ≥ 6.268 × 21,788 − 4,476.92 ≈ 132,000
  Whenever raid buffs, trinkets, or Dancing Rune Weapon push AP past those thresholds, the optimizer routes RP into Death Coil; otherwise it sticks with Rune Strike for reliability.

You can show the exact check straight from the APL:

or (NAG:CurrentRunicPower() >= 40 and NAG:SpellIsReady(47541) and (select(1, UnitAttackPower("player")) + select(2, UnitAttackPower("player")) >= 6.268 * NAG:WeaponDamage() - 4476.92)) and NAG:Cast(47541)
or (NAG:CurrentRunicPower() >= 30 and NAG:SpellIsReady(56815)) and NAG:Cast(56815)

That’s the “under the hood” math BDK NAG has

@random crystal made it, im just using his APL and brains to answer. correct me if im wrong plz ❤️

In short, if you see , you send

just means youre in your super sayan mode

[foggy quail]

GOAT answer, 100% clear. Ty ! ❤️

[random crystal]

You would have to be north of 100k+ Vengeance to see it request Death Coil over Rune Strike. Which is possible on this fight solo tanking. I dont know if you are 10 or 25 man raiding. In 10m raiding its usually ~40 sec into the fight when i get this much AP to send DeathCoils. I send alot of Death Coils in this fight.

/run local base, posBuff = select(1, UnitAttackPower("player")); local ap = base + posBuff; local wd = NAG:WeaponDamage(); print("AP:", ap, "WD:", wd, "Threshold Dcoil:", 6.268 * wd - 4476.92)

You can paste that in a macro, or in /say - it will print out how much AP you need for NAG to suggest Dcoin over Runestrike

[foggy quail]

Was on 25m Protectors solo tanking. High veng encounter.

[random crystal]

Working as intended then.

Death Siphon or Death Strike is also calculated with another formula that goes off AP thresholds.

[foggy quail]

Around 120k+ AP for DCoil threshold, not that high tbh. Ill just follow the NAG suggestions and check results

ty for the answer boys

[random crystal]

[random crystal]

Our 10m is on 8 heroic Sha of Fear kills, Me and my Arms Warrior has used a Reroll token each week. We have only seen 1 Shinka drop from the boss and neither one of us hav rolled one. So thats 24 chances at the weapon.

[opaque kernel]

Is there a "recommended" second profession for DKs outside of engineering, or is it just whatever? Blacksmithing maybe? I've got a lot of stuff covered on my alts, and I don't really need a gathering prof.

[limber topaz]

Theres talks about herbalism

For unholy

Otherwise its blacksmithing

[opaque kernel]

So, I finally have a somewhat respectable blood tank set, its mostly cele + some others. I am overwhelmed with how to gem and enchant and reforge between offensive, defensive, and balanced. Is there a general recommendation on which route to go based on current gear, or is it based on the players playstyle, or something else? Would say, offensive be better with all 517, and maybe defensive better at 483, etc.? I have no idea how to approach this lol

Here is what I'm rocking right now if it helps. It's a mess, I know:

https://shorturl.at/gQQiJ

[limber topaz]

I would strongly suggest just following the wowhead guide written by riyani, go balanced. If youre unsure, its for sure your best option.

[random crystal]

Starting out as a BDK with Celestial? Id play it safe and go Balanced and reforge for Parry>Haste, and match up the gems for a stat+stam. So Haste+stam, Parry+stam. This will give you more of a HP cushion to soak big hits while learning the class and the haste brings faster rune regen for deathstrikes to heal back up + blood shields. Since we are going into Throne soon ill be switching most my offensive gems/reforge to balanced as well for heroic progression.

[opaque kernel]

thanks for the advice. for about 20 years I've been playing rDPS. mDPS is a whole new world to me. This DK is my first. I solo leveled as blood, and then switched to unholy while doing celes with the purpose of getting a full cele set for blood to switch back to. I'd love to do more tanking...but I don't have a lot of confidence in my ability to do that for groups, lol. Melee as a whole feels very uncomfortable to me.

[limber topaz]

Is there any implementation for festerblight yet?

I may have missed it

[south cosmos]

tested yesterday not working or i get a problem with my NaG coze no change in rotation, only tell to use Festerblight, but don't use more festring and loose snapshot

[slow escarp]

thats a @night urchin question ❤️

[night urchin]

Hey guys, ye I’ll be implementing new Normalsauce rotation with better AoE and an actual Festerblight rotation (which should only be used with Feather AND Shado-Pan trinket, but the APL itself will work once u get Feather if u just want to FB, it’s about even with Normalsauce then) hopefully this week, so yall can test on next PTR if u use new trinkets

[limber topaz]

P o g

[limber topaz]

@night urchin any news or something you want tested for FB rotation?

Seeing as a lot of people play that way already

[left ridge]

I mean, they shouldn’t be lol. It’s not viable really until you get your hands on Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun

[limber topaz]

Periodically, no?

[left ridge]

Not sure what you’re asking

The only current applicable use for Festerblight is if you get the 60% damage increase buff after returning from one of the platforms on Sha of Fear. Outside of that, you wouldn’t ever do it until you get your hands on Feather.

[limber topaz]

I mean i see people with 97-99 average parses who prio festering strike quite a lot

A lot more than the current rotation does atleast

[left ridge]

Are they maintaining their original snapshot the entire fight? Or are they only resnapping their diseases one other time in the fight with all procs, CDs, and potion? If not, they’re just incorrectly prioritizing FS.

[limber topaz]

A single resnap on a 4 min fight for example, with trinkets and second pot

[left ridge]

Which boss was it

[limber topaz]

Lei shi and Empress were the ones that stuck out to me

But just in general the guy i looked at did 30-40% more FS than me and does 99avg

[left ridge]

I mean, Empress you can nearly do whatever you want with your rotation and get a 97 if your group is skipping the add phase tbh lol.

[limber topaz]

Which seemed a bit much

Its almost every boss he does a lot more FS than i would have thought was correct

[left ridge]

Also, just because someone parses well doing festerblight doesn’t mean it’s efficient, if it is truly festerblight.

[limber topaz]

No no, but its clearly not dogshit so thats why i wanted to know if there was something ready for testing of some sorts

[left ridge]

I mean, it’s a few thousand dps less than the normal rotation

According to the sims

But, that’d be something only Diurdude would be able to answer 🤷🏼‍♂️

[limber topaz]

A lot more situational im sure, just wanted to know if theres something available at this point for testing, more testing should be better than less afterall 😅

[left ridge]

Sure.

[next stump]

i wouldnt be surprised if those are all just carried by kill times

[limber topaz]

Perhaps it is but still being just a few thousand behind on sims does put it close

And clearly atleast viable

[next stump]

i mean

the dk of winner of race to world first

ran festerblight i believe

[limber topaz]

So... Worth testing the rotation already if possible, was my logic

[next stump]

during the race

[left ridge]

The way it needs to be done optimally isn’t really possible to test and set up without the rppm trinkets available was part of the point I was hinting at.

Since the way you would approach it is entirely dependent on the number of stacks of strength you have from feather on pull.

[limber topaz]

The Feather part sure but can still aim for biggest snapshot and perfect the rotation to keep it up, no?

Or am i missing something

[left ridge]

You can, sure

[limber topaz]

Was just offering a helping hand at testing if there was anything out to test yet, is all

[left ridge]

For sure, It’s just a bit early imo. I’m sure Diurdude would let y’all know when he has something worth testing, but also, technically you could import the APL from the sim and test that if you really wanted to

The FB APL is currently one of the default rotation options on the sim right now

[solemn halo]

I got at 98 on an absolutely garbage pull I was very unhappy with and was 20k dps lower than my previous 99

So yea do whatever if u skip adds hahahaha

Tbh, a 97 on that fight skipping adds seems like a bad parse

[left ridge]

Aye aye aye, chilllll, that’s what I got on my first skip lol

[solemn halo]

Maybe it’s different for unholy than frost haha

[wheat rivet]

@slow escarp getting a flagged error around my runestrikes in the rotation

for blood dk that is

[random crystal]

Im still using 5.6.2-beta9.

[wheat rivet]

this the version im on

[viral hedge]

afaik nothing should have changed related.. but lookinmg into it thx @wheat rivet

[stone shadow]

Using the latest release of NAG with default Masterfrog ST rotation, and Howling Blast is appearing squished on the left.

I tried manually setting the spell location to primary, and nothing changed.

[slow escarp]

left is only AOE when right is occupied, i believe

it will show middle if it is the ST action

[solemn halo]

It’s a bug, /reload fixes it

[radiant nexus]

is this ok? why it is showing me ice touch if the add already has the fever?

[south cosmos]

Rune conversion for long aoe situation

[slow escarp]

yes, its intended for AOE

[median wigeon]

any idea what this is ?

got this selected

(i'm playing 2h frost)

@solemn halo @viral hedge @slow escarp

it's spamming this error when i'm unlocking the nag frame

(on dummy, rotation seems to work fine)

[slow escarp]

someting corrupted rotations, try "/nag reset class"

[median wigeon]

already did, doesnt do anything

no big issues as long as the rotation is working tho

[viral hedge]

@median wigeon ya, i gotta clean up a few. I'd gone super heavy handed adding prob too many Error trying to see if we can see wtf causing that odd issue where it stops updating randomly. I'll clean those

'normal' ones out

[viral hedge]

43 should cleanup any of those non-Error ones

[south cosmos]

Hello, did i'm the only one who have the nag stop working mid fight ? it freeze on the skill he suggest and never move again, forced to /reset class every time mid fight it's happen mostly all fight on lei shen

[unique estuary]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[random crystal]

Try the latest beta 53. I used beta52 today with no issues for a few hours testing new rotations for Blood.

https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1257963268169797663

[viral hedge]

yes, let us know if you see it post beta 52 and we'll take another look

[south cosmos]

I was playing on 53 last night during raid

[radiant nexus]

well guys, which spec is breaking it more this phase? frost or Uh?

[south cosmos]

Hello last night same happen 4-5 times freeze rotation and need a class reset to rework, i think it happen mostly when you fast tab a add or clics a ally for brez. I m on last beta and add the problem on two different computer

[limber topaz]

The "hb on left" happened to me yesterday on newest beta, with /reload not fixing it

Unsure if something could have changed?

[solemn halo]

Hmm, may need a hard reset

[limber topaz]

I did that

to no avail

reset all nag settings and it still happened

@solemn halo

[solemn halo]

💀

I changed nothing

Last thing then - update to latest beta, or if you are on it, then rollback to when it worked lol

[limber topaz]

Believe i did it on 64, maybe one of the raziki changes could be the culprit? Im not familiar with what the terminology of it all means 😅

[solemn halo]

I could just push my latest version that doesn’t include the aoe Howling Blast and just has it primary icon when in range

[south cosmos]

Hello, Did someone try Festering blight rotation by importing from wowsims directly ?

[viral hedge]

.

[limber topaz]

Would it be possible for unholy to not recommend Plague strike AND unholy blight on pull? As in just unholy blight in middle frame instead of PS

heres the current

Not sure i can think of a time where youd rather PS over UB on pull but i may be wrong

[slow escarp]

its just there out of choice. you may be pulling trash and seeing UB where you want to save it for bosses

[limber topaz]

Thats a fair point, did not think of trash tbh

Can rotation act differently based on boss combat and/or pull timer?

Mostly curiosity, ofc its a very minor thing

[slow escarp]

yes, could make it primary if you target a boss

let me make that happen