MoP DK

[fierce cosmos]

Also now it display plague strike to use sometimes ?

Even tho blood plague is on target already

[solemn halo]

if diseases will fall off soon it should have a timer on plague strike

if you have nothing else to press

that there isnt a scenario you need to blood tap

though it should be recommending like erw or something

[fierce cosmos]

So here for example it recommend me plague strike bcs I have nothing else to do, but also blood tap coz it would make me press something else better if I use it?

[lament bluff]

That’s my understanding as well

[fierce cosmos]

but here?

[lament bluff]

Here I understand better sending PS since you can’t send any other stuff since all the runes are on CD

And BT at 9 charges

[fierce cosmos]

can't I just BT and hb ?

[lament bluff]

9 charges it’s not the “ideal” moment to press BT

[lament bluff]

Yes

But I think the logic does not shows up BT at 9 charges?

[fierce cosmos]

giving me then enough for FS

[solemn halo]

ugh PS shouldnt be showing i messed something up

your dot is over 5s

stupid apl

theres nothign wrong with what i wrote

wtf

oh

there is a PS entry

that i thought was deleted

i have to do some cleanup one sec

[solemn halo]

this is normal

youre saving it for when you need it situationally and have to make your own judgement call

as for the sim its a DPS increase to hold as well, and you use it during Pillar windows

these are the only situations blood tap should appear

[fierce cosmos]

So sometimes you just have to hold for like 2-3 secs?

[solemn halo]

yes

this is the difference between holding and not holding

[fierce cosmos]

Alright

[fierce cosmos]

I'll raid so I'll try this lol and if there's issue I'll just tell you afterwards and just swap back to the basic rotation since I do things manually with it

I would love to be able to remove gloves and racial tho

[solemn halo]

its weird cause i dont have that

[fierce cosmos]

how can I make it stop getting back to masterfrog ?

[solemn halo]

reword that

i dont understand

[lament bluff]

I think when he load the custom rotation and he reloads, it switches back the the masterfrog rotation

[fierce cosmos]

or entering a new instance

[solemn halo]

oh

thats a bug

@viral hedge

[viral hedge]

ya i have to take a look at the change made other day, it doing something weird i thinking. might just wanna revert to a old release. prob if it that messed need to remove it 😉

think that change was to 'fix' a diff issue, but seems to have created more isues that it was trying to solve?

[solemn halo]

thats how to remove stuff

[lament bluff]

Not usable atm then guys?

[solemn halo]

wym

this fixed that random plague strike

[lament bluff]

Yeah I mean for the auto-selection of the default rotation

[solemn halo]

oh

i mean

ye

[lament bluff]

How can I solve that?

[solemn halo]

try disable the other one

idk

[lament bluff]

tested several times in dummy

it feels good

I was also paying attention to the PS calls and BT

now I need to test in AoE

to see if BT and PL are suggested different to optimize HB

for me, I dont see gloves and racials

and I just did paste the rotation

If I enable gloves and belt check boxes, then it shows up

otherwise not

I think this is how it was intended, right frog?

[solemn halo]

yes

[naive portal]

is this for any particular version? getting this while importing on this version

[solemn halo]

requires the latest beta

[lament bluff]

okay he is right Frog

its showing like he told us

I imported twice so I dont know which one is the right one LOL

[lament bluff]

this one doesnt seem like it has AoE

I dont know its weird and confusing LOOOL

[solemn halo]

i didnt remove it so

you have a dif issue

[lament bluff]

the default one does recognize nameplates

and it suggest DnD

as im mobing towards dummies

the custom one from the file does not

as well as having berserking as pre-set

andd we cannot get rid off showing gloves

racial yes

[solemn halo]

i dont have any of your issues

very strange

[solemn halo]

if you get rid of the racial showing

what happens

also racial shouldnt be in center

[lament bluff]

its set up in pre-set by default

I moved to the left and all good

[solemn halo]

so its fixed?

[lament bluff]

then I changed to ignored

and it was no longer showing up

but synapse does

[solemn halo]

even with the box

[lament bluff]

no matter what I do/change

[solemn halo]

hmm

well thats a minor thing

[lament bluff]

yes, the box does nothing

[solemn halo]

as long as its not center

[lament bluff]

yes that minor thing

but did you see it does not detect more nameplates?

DnD was not appearing as suggestion

as it does the default one

[solemn halo]

thats because the racial was blocking it i think?

[lament bluff]

no

I removed racial and still not DnD on the left

I believe this version misses something

I mean is just a feeling

compared to the default one

the custom one also suggests full DnD

in pre-set

even in single target

[solemn halo]

thats normal

it should

[lament bluff]

okay thats clear then

[solemn halo]

im just missing the dnd in aoe

thats all i can see

one sec

[lament bluff]

however I set there already

[solemn halo]

im confused

the apl is correct

its the same function even

[lament bluff]

Then I don’t know

[solemn halo]

i cant figure it out

@viral hedge

help me

[lament bluff]

also it gets stuck with HB/FS even in melee

[solemn halo]

or maybe @slow escarp

would know better

but idk if hes awake

[lament bluff]

here you can see no DnD at all

even is set as AoE

[solemn halo]

TO MY current knowledge I didn't fuck anything up

so im at a loss

[lament bluff]

thats why I said it seems it does not detect the AoE (nameplates?)

[solemn halo]

which is so very strange

[lament bluff]

I mean thats not the default one

[lament bluff]

I was testing this one

[solemn halo]

ye default SHOULDNT matter

but maybe it does

[lament bluff]

demo with the masterfrog defaulted one

[lament bluff]

Is there a way to add the missing stuff/improvements to the default one and push?

[fierce cosmos]

can u make a tldr of what your issue ?

[lament bluff]

Same as you faced about the icons (racial + gloves)

Racial can be set as ignore and it does no longer shown but not the gloves

AoE is not working properly. Basically seems like is not even implemented

Which is not true Dark confirmed

There are sometimes split icons HB/FS even being in melee

The range seems to be working done

Fine

But I don’t know how the icons are split in middle with 2 core abilities

In summary, the default rotation (masterfrog) feels quite a lot smoother

But as per Dark’s comments, there some stuff missing

PL/BT calls, AoE, ERW etc etc

[fierce cosmos]

Do you also have the swaps when relog/new instance or w:e?

between masterfrog and the one he sent us

[lament bluff]

Yes I do

[slow escarp]

<@&1075064309534691469> the most recent **beta **version has the most recent APL changes by darkfrog:

it has several bug fixes too, so please try this version out

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nag/files/all?page=1&pageSize=20

[lament bluff]

just installed

[jade phoenix]

Potentially quick question (but probs not):

With BDK, what are the requirements for the NAG to suggest Death Siphon? As I've had it suggested at times when I have Death Runes but near no vengeance.
Unsure if it's getting stuck or something else is happening?

[lament bluff]

did reset and generated new key

lets see!!!

553 beta 6 right bro @slow escarp

[slow escarp]

thats expected, it tells you to AOE because it adds your distance to the target to the count if no mobs around you.
first check: mobs around you in a 7yd radius (i believe it was 7)
second check: if no mobs around you, add to the 7yd the distance from you to your target.

its prompting you AOE because its counting the mobs to the side as well.

[slow escarp]

yes there are. blood is the most polished product we ever had

there are built in weapon damage and atk power calcs

[lament bluff]

correct

death siphon has itw own AP calculation

based on that, its suggested or not

[slow escarp]

if you want to see it more, go blood DW, then wont me as powerful

[lament bluff]

blood DW???

haha

[slow escarp]

hahahaha yeah

[lament bluff]

never heatd this before!!!

[slow escarp]

once you get super high level os atk power, dw is actually better

i mean, a bird told me

[lament bluff]

hmmmm

I can figure out who that bird is LOL

[slow escarp]

he is still cooking

more math required

[lament bluff]

just small feedback and not important

racial is set as pre-set by default

I think it might be in the left

again, thats shit u know

I just changed to left

[slow escarp]

pre-set is whatever the person who made the initial locations wanted it to be

prob left

[lament bluff]

yeah

I think is a matter of personal likes

depends on how the ppl uses the NAG

[jade phoenix]

I just relooked at my AP & the breakpoints on Wowhead and I was just being an idiot apparently. 🤣😂

Also, DW Blood you say? 🤔

[slow escarp]

the theory is that when youre super high in vengence, weapon damage is just a very small part of the equations and the weapons youre using is just a stat stick

give bloodrippa some time to theoricraft about it hah

im just repeating what i heard from him

[lament bluff]

another thing guys Im noticing

I think the range need to be another polishment

there are several cases where PS and FS are in the midle together with HB while in range

like PS/FS in midddle with HB

[slow escarp]

what spec?

frost

[lament bluff]

My understanding is, either FS or PS should be popping up in the midle in melee but not in range

[lament bluff]

yes

[slow escarp]

in range it should show HB as AOE / optitional

[lament bluff]

it shows HB on the middle-right in range yes

so in range it shows oblit | HB

or FS | HB

or PS | HB

but always HB in the middle-right

[solemn halo]

Try a reload?

If HB is never in the center

[lament bluff]

I didn’t mean never

But in some cases

I’ll try to make another recording while doing some dailies

[solemn halo]

Well HB always shows at range, so that parts normal

The split between FS and PS is odd

Unless you moved PS to a different location

[lament bluff]

That’s my understanding as well

HB in range of course

But middle split into FS/Oblig/PS | HB ?

[solemn halo]

Yea shouldn't do that

[lament bluff]

Exactly

[lament bluff]

I’ll send a recording

Doing some dailies

[fierce cosmos]

The new rotation is on baseline now? with beta 6

[lament bluff]

Yes, it is

[fierce cosmos]

Works well?

[lament bluff]

Overall yes

But I think something happens with the HB split with oblit, PS or FS while in range

I’m gonna record a video now

here we can clearly see was I was meant

I think this is wrong

@solemn halo @slow escarp

[fierce cosmos]

• sometimes SR show before 35% on adds

it's preventive calculating dps?

[solemn halo]

It should!

Its calculating if the add will reach 35% in 5 seconds

[fierce cosmos]

Yup it does that's nice

[lament bluff]

Do you guys see anything wrong in the recording?

That HB split right?

[solemn halo]

Im at work I haven't even looked

[lament bluff]

No pain no gain

[shadow sluice]

New to DK and NAG, but raiding tonight and noticed my nag had moments where nothing is populated for spell usage. Is this a rune problem?

[fierce cosmos]

tried to /nag reset all and put your key again / reload ?

[shadow sluice]

I have, i suspect it has to be a rune related thing. becuause it doesnt even tell me to use tap even tho they are available.

[solemn halo]

You just have low haste its normal but it should be suggesting HB with a timer

[shadow sluice]

Occassionally its nothing, but haste could be an issue i guess. (also its for UH)

Ive reset it and made sure the current rotation is selected correctly. just something i noticed so figured i would ask and see if anyone's had any experience similar.

[solemn halo]

oh, dont think UH has any look ahead stuff yet

but yea downtime is normal

[shadow sluice]

ill have to clip it for a proper example

[solemn halo]

i know what you mean

[slow escarp]

Darkfrog blaaaasting
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1039579569801404468/1402478559553130506/image.png?ex=68940f71&is=6892bdf1&hm=898a99c94c0879e5ce3103ee5d85eddbbb41552777788932ceebca074d822633&

Big grats man

[solemn halo]

Died on elegon, stone guard is normalized and sucks

Had a cranker elegon too tho

(But its also normalized, so mightve sucked)

[left ridge]

Yeah, stone guard is prob my least fav boss now lol

[lament bluff]

Congrats man

You blasted

[left ridge]

Thanks man! 🙂

Except on stone guard though

[lament bluff]

Any workaround for this guys? I can test in raid this evening

[solemn halo]

I can look today

After work

Was busy yesterday

[lament bluff]

no problem

[fierce cosmos]

have u tried beta 7 ?

lost some keybinds ;.;

[lament bluff]

yes, im using this one

[fierce cosmos]

I lost some keybinds

[lament bluff]

I will pay attention to this because I haven’t noticed this from my aide

[twilit pulsar]

can pls someone explain me how suddenly DnD goes into the mid of the nag suggest as it should be used on single target ?

[solemn halo]

Because if you have no resources except an unholy rune its good to press

Though howling blast should be in the center here

[twilit pulsar]

never had that before through whole mop

[solemn halo]

Depends when you updated

[lament bluff]

This is not happening to me. I’m in the latest beta

[solemn halo]

You should be getting dnd sometimes, at least I do

[twilit pulsar]

i do update nag every day through curseforge did the whole day without this suddenly I log back and it started to feel odd

[lament bluff]

This used to happen in previous release/s

[solemn halo]

Its not a bug its the intended behaviour

[twilit pulsar]

like HB never pulling center

[solemn halo]

That is a bug

Spell locations hopefully fixed soon

A reload fixes that

[twilit pulsar]

okay

[solemn halo]

BTW sorry ramicie still didnt look at ur thing I was grinding pvp and dungeons

Okay im looking now you have PS and HB in aoe slot

Thats correct behaviour

@lament bluff

[twilit pulsar]

shouldnt it be that u spend your unholy rune to do a oblit and or to refresh blood plague through Plague strike ?

[solemn halo]

If you have no other runes and blood plague is active on the target

Then dnd is your choice

[twilit pulsar]

never getting into those situations either having a left out frost rune/death rune alone or with a plague rune together or no runes at all interesting

I dont think I am doing rotationally something bad but might not realize it

[solemn halo]

Its a rare occurrence

[lament bluff]

No problem at all

[lament bluff]

Sorry that explains the HB split in the middle)

[solemn halo]

Yea its just if youre in range then it will show

As an option to press something

But youre goal is to run to melee and do the left option

Make sense

[lament bluff]

But why it shows PS/FS/Oblit in range?

[solemn halo]

So that you know what to do when you get to melee

[lament bluff]

Okay do left side is what to do in melee rather than HB?

[solemn halo]

Yes

I didnt want to cover the whole thing in case youre in range by accident

[lament bluff]

In my view Dark, if you are in range u shouldn’t see any melee action suggestion. If you are in range and start pressing HB, the melee action is no longer valid so when you are finally in melee, the action/s from the left are no longer relevant so the NAG has to re adapt anyways

Because u are consuming runes while pressing HB in melee?

[solemn halo]

Idk I personally prefer it this way, so I know HB isnt the most optimal thing to press right now but im doing it because I have no choice since im in range

Otherwise you wouldn't know maybe you should really be in melee

If you dislike it you would have to delete a little bit of the rotation code though

[lament bluff]

You wouldn’t differentiate melee/range actions

I get what u mean

[solemn halo]

Well yea but what if you step too far back and it suggest HB full but you have no idea it only did that because youre too far

[lament bluff]

Nah nah nah

[solemn halo]

Idk this is better for my brain 🧠

[lament bluff]

Yes I understand the rationale behind

[solemn halo]

If you had a better solution lmk but its nice knowing what's coming up when youre in melee

[lament bluff]

The only thing man is, seems not to react quickly once you are in melee

[solemn halo]

Yea thats a new thing

Im not sure what's up

[lament bluff]

Do you know what I mean?

[solemn halo]

Yes

Before when I implemented it, it was fast

Now its lagging

[lament bluff]

Yes agree

Yes

Apart from what we are talking about…I dont see any other thing

Of course there might be something to improve but I’m not that good player in order to notice maybe

[solemn halo]

There is for sure stuff to improve... Just need time

Will add a pestilence suggestion in the future....

You notice the BT in AoE working good?

Yea just pestilence i think I wanna add

[twilit pulsar]

btw this is nice 😄

0 death runes

wtf blizz

[solemn halo]

Oh bug

Relog

[twilit pulsar]

today my lucky day 0 bugs with dk until today sudendly everything goes to hell

[lament bluff]

Hmmmm yes??? Let me know where to pay attention to evaluate the BT suggestions in AoE pls

The main goal is to send more HB I believe?

[solemn halo]

Just will suggest BT in aoe when out of runes

[lament bluff]

But we need more FS to send more BT

[solemn halo]

What do you mean

[lament bluff]

Okay I’ll test this as well

But overall fella good man

[viral hedge]

yup, think i got many of the other issues resolved. mostly seems to be related to the db and making changes currently. so working on this atm just trying to catch up with the forums and what else going on here. thx all for patience

[median wigeon]

Did a raid again on my UH dk, on feng, garajal and elegon soul reaper wasnt showing below 35% health (NAG version 5.5.1 ). Next ID i'll try with an older version

[somber viper]

Quick question, how does the ST and AOE rotation works ? I tried to select manually the AOE but I couldn’t. Is the switch automatic?

[random crystal]

If you are blood, it selects automatically based on number of mobs within 8 yards. 1-3 is DPS and more Single target with light cleave and dot management on adds , and 4+ it switches to AOE. Once mobs get killed off an it drops down to 3 mobs in range it auto switches mid combat.

[somber viper]

thanks for the info. I'm UDK but maybe the logic is the same then.

[solemn halo]

It is yes

[median wigeon]

Soul reaper doesn't seem to work with last beta release of nag

(trying it in celestial dungeon, NAG never tells me to soul reaper below 35% hp)

(Single target rotation)

[devout tundra]

seeing same thing

[median wigeon]

reverted back to 5.5.4-beta2 from august 7 which seems to be the more stable one, it has keybind and soul reaper working (For UH)

[solemn halo]

Frost Soul Reaper fix

[lament bluff]

Does it work for beta 1?

[solemn halo]

i have the latest update

[lament bluff]

What do u mean?

[solemn halo]

whatever this one is

updating to beta 8 now and checking

that waas beta 6

beta 8 appears good

well my class tab is just gone tho

relogging lmao

[devout tundra]

any particular reason soul reaper doesn't show a GCD swipe?

[solemn halo]

🐞

[rare wadi]

@solemn halo @viral hedge What happened to SR recommendations? They're missing all together.

N/M I see your rotation import a few posts up and imported that one to check out

[hearty cipher]

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/guide/classes/death-knight/frost/dps-best-gear-bis-pre-raid this still out BiS list for master frost?

and is the rotation master frost or oblit?

[solemn halo]

See pins in the #🔵｜frost-not-retail channel for all my info

[wispy birch]

Anyone a good UH ST and AOE import. I loose May after update

[meager stone]

^ interested. For some reason the NAG for unholy doesn’t recognize when I’m surrounded by 4+ mobs. I can’t tell if I’m supposed to strictly blood boil for aoe or not lol

[solemn halo]

Its being fixed soon

[slow escarp]

newsest beta should have it

aoe recently implemented, please try it out

[jade phoenix]

Has something changed with BDK recently?
Whenever I DRW it wants me to AMS as well. The AMS icon is in the main spot (despite being set as above in the spell locations), and only goes away when I either AMS or when DRW ends.

So I reset a few times and it seems to have maybe resolved. Maybe. Still doing it.

[random crystal]

It must be a bug with spell location with the build you are using. If it’s up to date then roll back to a version it was working on. I’m personally still using 7-28 beta9.

[rare wadi]

Is it just me or is NAG still not recommending SR? @slow escarp @solemn halo @viral hedge

[jade phoenix]

Pretty sure I'm using the most up to date release version.
Will double check, maybe try a reinstall or a older version as well.

[solemn halo]

ive been getting SR

but I was getting death coil suggestions as blood on galleon

that was weird as I was still in range of the boss

[rare wadi]

I'm definitely not getting SR suggestions

[solemn halo]

im on beta 17

[rare wadi]

let me log in and check....

[solemn halo]

I lied

I swear I saw the suggestion

but the ID is still wrong

@viral hedge

[rare wadi]

oh, for SR?

[solemn halo]

yes

[viral hedge]

s'up

sorry kid just left

[solemn halo]

SR still broken

fonsas said he fixed

[viral hedge]

hrm, the fallback should be there still lemme take a look

use beta rav

[solemn halo]

thats a much old version

[rare wadi]

Were newer versions not pushed to Curse? It says up to date

[viral hedge]

might need to select the beta channel rav

[rare wadi]

So this one?

[viral hedge]

ya, that's latest rc/beta

[rare wadi]

Done, I'll see how it goes from there

[viral hedge]

will bump to release if no major issues there

it's i believe def more stable than the 3 beta1 or the beta2

[rare wadi]

I can't think of a way to test on dummies since they never get low enough

[viral hedge]

that most have stuck with

[solemn halo]

Masterfrost

2h Oblit

I have these fixes

[viral hedge]

dummies should simulate low death

[rare wadi]

yeah? hmm okay

[solemn halo]

some of the dummies in shrine are in execute

[viral hedge]

i mean may not be able to use it, but the nag will tell ya to once ya get the 20% or w/e mark

[solemn halo]

you can use it w/e

[viral hedge]

ahh k

[solemn halo]

just is useful after the execute

[viral hedge]

so not like the other execute ones

ya

[rare wadi]

Okay, yeah, that version works

[solemn halo]

the one i just posted

ya

[viral hedge]

ya that's got tons of fixes rav

[solemn halo]

or the beta

[viral hedge]

def most stable we had in a while

[rare wadi]

right on, yeah I normally just update whatever curse tosses out

[viral hedge]

i've fixed tons of long standing bugs etc

[solemn halo]

ah okay so I think fonsas hardcoded the IDs

cuz it shows wrong ID but ya works

[viral hedge]

the spell manager works now

[solemn halo]

oh btw I can't find the resize button anywhere anymore

[viral hedge]

it takes the id from an apl, converts it to a name looks tht name up in your spellbook and gets the id you actually have

so should resolve all the oddities with wow id's needing to be mapped/chaned

long as the name matches(so for the earth wind fire with a comma that wouldn't)

but it should not for IsKnownSpell etc all use the mapping and should in theory be correct

and can remnove all those damn hard mapped id's 😛

[solemn halo]

oh i found the resize, its in legacy???

[viral hedge]

i puke a little each time i see one

😛

[solemn halo]

whats the new resizer

[viral hedge]

legacy = current

[solemn halo]

lmaooo

[viral hedge]

resizer?

[solemn halo]

scale

it was too big for me

[viral hedge]

scroll wheel no scale while it unlocked?

[solemn halo]

oh idk i didnt know it did that

[viral hedge]

ya

for long time

[rare wadi]

That works

[solemn halo]

lmao it doesnt say it in there so I dont instinctively know that

[rare wadi]

gotta use that intuition man

[viral hedge]

you sure dark? 😛

waanna check first?

🤣

says it 2x

[solemn halo]

yep I just saw that

LOL

[viral hedge]

2x

😉

[viral hedge]

i can't help ppl read haha

3x

i def have it everywhere 😛

lol

[solemn halo]

well you move things around im used to hahaha

[viral hedge]

lol, ya

that been there ever since i fixed the unlock long ago though but ya stuff changes so fast 😛

[rare wadi]

j/k j/k lol

thanks for the help guys

[deft vault]

So I had a consistent problem with NAG disappearing on me randomly - in dungeons, raids, out questing, etc. I had "Show Always" toggled off because I didn't want it appearing unless I was in combat - a setting I've opted for for over three years. Well, I finally just set it to Show Always regardless and now it's no longer disappearing on me. No idea this is relevant info, or if I just got lucky for two hours straight, but hey, thought I'd mention it in case others are having their NAG just disappear on them and also have "Show Always" toggled off.

[solemn halo]

That is good info, best place to put that would be #1028578761572110356

Makes sense why it wasn't actually a key issue

[jade phoenix]

Went though a bunch of versions and the change occurs between V5.1.0-alpha5 & 6.
Alpha5 works fine, alpha6 has AMS in the main spot as long as it's off CD & DRW is active.
Just an oddity I found.

Will post it in bugs now as well.

[viral hedge]

thanx, i'll take a look and see if i can see what happened there. appreciate the diagnostic assistance! 🙂 @jade phoenix

[slow escarp]

@deft vault thanks a bunch!

[slow escarp]

could you plz try this #1347562002306043977 message

see if thats a fix

[jade phoenix]

Only just saw this (love discord not notifying me earlier), I've set myself a reminder to check when I'm next back on my PC. Will let you know.

[jade phoenix]

Just checked with the most recent ver on Curseforge (5.5.4-beta27) and it works like it should.

[slow escarp]

hell yeah!

ty

[rare wadi]

@solemn halo is an AoE rotation being worked on I thought?

[solemn halo]

for unholy?

or frost

or what

[rare wadi]

Frost

[solemn halo]

yea I have plans for it but I got a lot of stuff on my plate lol

making a heart of fear bis list for example

[rare wadi]

All good man. Appreciate all the work you're putting in man

[rare wadi]

@solemn halo @viral hedge NAG seems to be calling for SR before 35% health on some mobs. Is it trying to predict how quickly hte mob is going to die maybe?

[solemn halo]

Yes

If mob will reach 35% within 5 seconds

[viral hedge]

did you happen to have the 'monitor' open? or just normal

[rare wadi]

I'm not sure what you mean by monitor. I just let it do its thing

[viral hedge]

Ya good then haha. Was a bug in the test thing that was causing that so wanted to make sure you weren't using it. I'd ya don't know ya good prob haha

[rare wadi]

I get that it's trying to predict maybe, but it doesn't feel right to see it pop up at 70% mob health and even sometimes even be on CD as a suggestion if runes aren't available for it.

[naive portal]

I mean you could always modify the apl if you ‘feel’ that theres a better way to pop things, in theory is suggesting what its optimal. If the target is X hp but based on dmg is about to reach the 35% under the SR time for the dmg it seems thats the way to go.
Again its just a tool and you need to actually know the class/spec and fights

[solemn halo]

Yea tbh I dont like using SR on low HP mobs so thats something I want to fix

And in aoe its still suggesting SR

Which im positive HB is better

[pliant elk]

Is it possible to tweak the APL/Rotation to be more "healing focused"? Currently I am AOE leveling with a Blood DK and It only suggests Death Strike when Im low, not sure if its 30% HP or something and it suggest blood boil alot more which probably is better for dmg but Id rather use a bit more self sustain in this case, when mobs get easier I can swap back. IF possible ofc

[random crystal]

You can toggle off auto change rotation in the rotation manager. That will keep you topped up more than the AOE rotation. The AOE will send every blood and death rune as blood boils if you have four or more targets and won’t deathstike unless below 40%. It’s a DPS rotation. The non AOE rotation will prio death strikes or death siphons with death runes and still keep light AOE, dnd down, proper use of blood boils with disease management on mobs, and increase snap shot of disease with scaling vengeance.

With that being said , you can for sure use the rotation manager to copy the rotation and tweak it to your play style and use case.

[solemn halo]

I also found unless you are pulling huge packs you stayed alive pretty ok

[pliant elk]

Should i still use the Blood AOE rotation or Blood DPS in Rotation Manager?

[random crystal]

If you plan on doing the tweaks to the rotation. You would want to replace the 2nd line down that calls to switch to a rotation. Renaming that line with the AOE rotation name you make your custom rotation. Then you would want to go into a AOE rotation and make sure its calling back to the other DPS more Single Target rotation name.

If you toggle off the Auto Change Rotation. Stick to the Blood DPS rotation and have it selected.

[median wigeon]

Is there a way with current rotation as UH to disable the AOE part of rotation for one fight ? Like on amber shapper its not that great to go full aoe when boss is on P3 (and nag is suggesting AOE rotation, which is a big loss in term of dps on this phase )

[random crystal]

Yes, its in the /nag menu under CLASS , just uncheck the "Automatic Rotation Switching"

[median wigeon]

did that, it was still suggesting aoe °°

will search about it more tomorrow

(and on latest nag release, aoe and ST are in the same rotation if i'm not mistaken, the only one there is for UH)

(so duno how this option work with just one rotation)

[limber topaz]

Anyone else with UH sometimes see the nag say to death coil despite not having enough rp?

[night urchin]

does it flash between GCDs being ready, or stay there?

@limber topaz

[limber topaz]

Stay

@night urchin

[random crystal]

Ahh okay, i see now. It looks like the AOE is baked into the default rotation. It doesnt actually have a separate AOE rotation based on Number of targets that it automatically switches to during combat. So there wouldnt be a way to toggle off AOE..

[night urchin]

If ur at 31 rp, I believe it’s a blizz issue with rounding. If not, then if it’s possible for u to record a moment of that happening, would be helpful 🙂

[limber topaz]

I think its exactly 31rp actually yep

Ill try and make note of when

[night urchin]

Great Tyty

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo jus realize berserking is not part of the spell location for the 2H rota mate

[solemn halo]

Blood fury prob isnt either

It should be in autocast

[lament bluff]

yeah it isnt too

[lament bluff]

whats that?

[solemn halo]

Theres an AutocastOtherCooldowns call in the APL that SHOULD catch it but its not lol

Which I get why or we have to hardcode every cooldown a spec knows I guess

[lament bluff]

yeah I see

[limber topaz]

@night urchin kept an eye out today and it is 100% the 31 rp thing

Might be bias because in looking for it but felt like it happened a lot

[night urchin]

Ye Fonsasnhas talked about this in the past just nothing he can do about it afaik, sucks though 🙁

[limber topaz]

I dont think much would be lost if nag just required one more RP to coil, no? A req for 33 rp to suggest coil?

Might be missing something but probably a smaller loss then the confusion 😅

[night urchin]

@slow escarp curious on your opinion here

[slow escarp]

thats blizzard! what we could do is put a RP check in the APL

think that could solve already

[frosty kernel]

Hello guys. Im not sure if this discord is only for MoP?
But if no. Heres my newly dinged frost DK that im trying to gear.

Not sure if i should go upgrade weapon and live with 710 for a while, then craft 2 off pieces in 720. Or just craft weapon. What u think?

[lament bluff]

It is only for classic yes

[lament bluff]

https://discord.gg/acherus

[naive portal]

On latest beta (with the rotation changes) after a /reset all. its this HB location intended?

[solemn halo]

No its not do a /reload

Happens sometimes

[rare wadi]

@solemn halo Did I read that you found time to update the AoE rotation?

Appears not to actually

[solemn halo]

Pesti and tab target are not working

But there was some updates yes

[turbid wyvern]

has anyone loaded a festblight rotation

or know of a decent one

[slow escarp]

atm no, its not worth it unless you have super weak weapon.
what we are working on is fixing the snapshot math so that the NAG naturally holds festerblight if the math is right

makes sense?

[turbid wyvern]

UNDERSTOOD

//generate key

[rare wadi]

It would be nice if there were another option instead of soul reaper on short-lived mobs

Maybe stack it with HB or FS because it gets stuck on SR

Especially for AoE. Recommending SR for that seems kewk

[solemn halo]

It shouldnt suggest if less than 5s but idk that part not working

I just send a HB and ignore

[limber topaz]

SR on something that dies for the 50% haste aint half bad

[solemn halo]

Ye but cant rly sim so I have no idea the real impact

[limber topaz]

Nah thats true but atleast imo its very noticeable

Whether it does more than a SR hit i doubt but its not entirely lost

[solemn halo]

Ye for sure

Not a waste of a rune

[merry kite]

How do you register trinkets in the addon?

[rare wadi]

AoE rotation yet? doesn't seem like it

[solemn halo]

Idk what sort of aoe improvements youre looking for but its all implemented

[rare wadi]

I guess I think it was going to be a lot of HB>HB>HB and some FSs to reset rune back to HBs

[limber topaz]

All of this is already in the rotation i believe

I play with the aoe override and just. Manually decide when you aoe admittedly

[solemn halo]

Nah current weaving is optimal, the nag doesnt really take into account the HP for that to do a HB if they're about to die, thats just a personal judgment call

[half wedge]

/generate key

[lament bluff]

not fixed even after /reload

just updated to the 5.5.6 beta 7

and this rotation is the one set up by default. i think dark confirmed this is not the right one but the AOE

seems like the distance to target is making conflict here

@viral hedge alse here FYI mate

[viral hedge]

❤️

[viral hedge]

lol arg... always trying to overengineer shit haha. fme gimme a few 😛

[lament bluff]

As a quick summary, Howling Blast should never show on the left but only in middle

[viral hedge]

ya, got cops outside again lol. bit distracted

neighbor feud again

[lament bluff]

This has been fixed after /reload in other versions but seems here it does not fix the problem. Seems like it moves to left as soon as we are approaching to the target

So that’s why I thought is still a problem with the distance to target as we saw in the shaman?

[viral hedge]

lol that better

hrm, @lament bluff ya that's kinda i think a problem with the override positions logic they have in

sorry, cops at door again

my damn cameras didn't pick up shit 🙁

lol

ok lemme try get back to this, my brain bit frazzled now lol

[lament bluff]

without targetting

targetting

[viral hedge]

hrnmmmm lol

@lament bluff

[lament bluff]

exactly

[viral hedge]

i have def seen it in middle though

i got nothing targeted there

[lament bluff]

in my case, if nothing targeted and in melee or far away it shows in middle. If I target in melee it shows up on left

Something weird with the distance to target for howling blast lol

[lament bluff]

Guys, this is still happening in the latest beta. I just went back to 5.5.4 beta 30

[viral hedge]

i gotta run an error but i'll take another look when i get home

[viral hedge]

ok home finally. lemme take a look

[viral hedge]

@lament bluff afaik, @solemn halo has that coded like that specifically unless i'm misunderstanding the problem?
There are places in the frost apl that it's set to go to the AOE spot. Is this something different i'm not grokking? 🙂

[lament bluff]

Hey!! Yes, I thinks it’s coded like that but HB should never be shown on the left iirc

99,99% sure about that

[viral hedge]

ya i mentioned that and @solemn halo said it's intended. it's hardcoded in the APL with a AOE

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo can confirm better than me

[viral hedge]

hardcoded to AOE

so ya, lets get dark feedback but i know i asked about that a month or so ago and he said it's supposed to be like that

[lament bluff]

I think the AOE part of HB has been always intended to be shown in middle

like split icon yes but never on the left

I think that has been reported sometimes by other people and the fix was to /reload

but now this does not work

[solemn halo]

Ye so then the issue becomes- aoe getting shown on the left

@viral hedge

[viral hedge]

so whats the problem sorry.... in AOE situations it's going left... or not going left sorry

[solemn halo]

It is going left

Should always be middle half icon

[viral hedge]

ah ok

lemme check those funcs then see if i can see whats up... mine here is never left

i can't reproduce that yet

[viral hedge]

@lament bluff do you happen to have custom position overrides, or that happen on a full /nag reset all too?

wonder if there something odd in the wtf file doing it leftover? I know @slow escarp has mentioned he'd seen ppl with issues where even a reset all didn't fix and the wtf file itself needed to be wiped?

[lament bluff]

I tried every thing

deleted WTF etc etc

all works fine in 5.5.4 beta 30

I think that was the first release before starting sending new betas/alphas again

[viral hedge]

ok appreciate all that... I'll try to get back on 4-beta30 and see if i can see what the difference is between 2

[lament bluff]

Yeah maybe this might be helpful? I don’t know mate u are the boss here

[viral hedge]

i trying boss!

😉 lol

just trying to finish up this schema modification crap atm

📊 FIELD COUNT ANALYSIS SUMMARY
============================================================
Total APL message types analyzed: 103
Same field count: 94
Extra parameters in handlers: 1
Missing parameters in handlers: 2
Types with schema modifications: 8
Fixed by modifications: 6
High priority differences: 0
Medium priority differences: 3

🔴 HIGH PRIORITY (need immediate review):

🟡 MEDIUM PRIORITY (review recommended):
  APLActionCastFriendlySpell: 2 → 1 (-1)
  APLActionCastSpell: 2 → 3 (+1)
  APLActionChannelSpell: 4 → 3 (-1)

🔧 TYPES WITH MODIFICATIONS:
  APLActionAutocastOtherCooldowns: 5 fields (FIXED)
  APLActionCastAllStatBuffCooldowns: 1 fields (PARTIAL)
  APLActionMultidot: 2 fields (FIXED)
  APLActionStrictMultidot: 2 fields (FIXED)
  APLValueAnyStatBuffCooldownsActive: 1 fields (PARTIAL)
  APLValueNumberTargets: 2 fields (FIXED)
  APLValueSpellCanCast: 1 fields (FIXED)
  APLValueUnitDistance: 1 fields (FIXED)

✅ Analysis complete! Check field_count_analysis.csv for detailed results.
(venv) rakizi@patchwerk:~/project/NextActionGuide$ ```
lookin good 🙂

that had a TON before 😛 lol

[lament bluff]

What is that???

[viral hedge]

python validation code lol

for wowsim->our handlers etc since we have overrides and diff values sometimes. this'll let validator/apleditor eventually etc use same set of code which'll get updated based on the proto files being updated which is what they use to generate their code

reason shit takes me forever, i don't do shit the easy way 🤣 spend all day every day to simplify something so i don't gotta spend a few days doing it manually 🤣

[lament bluff]

Hahaha smart

Painful now but smooth for future

[viral hedge]

ya, i got systems in place now to modify the schema, use schema for validation. the apleditor is using those fields. got function overrides now, think things are looking pretty good really

[lament bluff]

Is there a way to make a comparison between versions?

For the cases like “this was working in version XYZ”

[viral hedge]

not really easily with the amount of changes i've been making to standardize and shit... between then and now like 20-30-40k lines prob changed along with many many many files getting deleted and recreated which will cause a problem with diffs

normally yes once things in the proper place

[lament bluff]

Ah I see

[viral hedge]

but all this moving around to get things 'right' makes that a little harder

[lament bluff]

That’s the aim then!

[viral hedge]

ya

[lament bluff]

I understand

[viral hedge]

our filenames mapto the categories now

before it was just shit everywhere

numerous duplicates

etc

but ya, the 'system' can pull all the actual fields from the wowsim web thingy for rotation editor, gets the fields used, validates this against ours, we can add fields or override as needed etc

so in our editor i hope eventually... all the tooltips are already there etc no need to manually enter it all

but yes, standard patterns, standard usage, similar calls. standard locations etc is what i've been driving for... this mop push kinda caused me a few months of pain with cleaning up stuff 😛

[lament bluff]

You are doing great Rak!

[viral hedge]

iu trying, i prob overengineer shit.. but i think that's what makes it fun... if i was just data monkeying shit wtf fun is that

i get that quest solving/raid boss #1 world kill feeling when i can fix some of the big problems/bugs 😛

like keybinds... holy fuck that's a world boss and a half 🤣

😢

those keep me up at night, feel like shit those are a mess still

[lament bluff]

Still HB on the left in beta 17 guys @viral hedge @slow escarp

[viral hedge]

ya just posted in the thread there

[lament bluff]

.

[lament bluff]

.

[lament bluff]

And here

[viral hedge]

@lament bluff #🌟｜nag-updates

believe that what ya were seeing fixed... my ptr dk had a 2h equipped forever, so was never hitting that apl to see it

[lament bluff]

Cool buddy. I’ll check this out soon!

Thank you

[viral hedge]

ya, was just the default return value for UnitDistance. returned 999 when no target so that of course is greater than 1 so was trying to send the hb that way with no target or something

[lament bluff]

Makes sense ye

So what happened then when you target?

I mean, the 999 is an expected value?

[viral hedge]

it was.. but probably didn't account for that lol. prob coulda handled diff... but i think how we use unitdistance that should be sufficient/work

could just fix in apl with another check... but then that means changing bot to update apl's etc and rather mimic the behavior 'properly' or at least w/e i think is properly lol

[lament bluff]

@viral hedge cheers, seems to be fixe

[viral hedge]

great

[lament bluff]

however I have one doubt

[viral hedge]

just 1?

i got more than that alreay

🤣

[lament bluff]

hahaha

[viral hedge]

it's a one or the other problem possibly

haha

[lament bluff]

nI think is just a concept

[viral hedge]

whats the doubt ya see hehe

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo can help here

let me record a video

maybe im misunderstanding the way its coded

[viral hedge]

kk i'll look at icons that just make my brain go boom

🤣

darkfrog can explain to me like the 4yo

🤣

if this causes issues, we can just do what fonsas had suggested at first and just code in the apl so it ignores the 999 but i just rather not hardcode is all if we can 😉
So ya, lemme know if other things seem off too

[lament bluff]

there u go

wouldnt make more sense the other way around?

if im not in melee range, only HB but at the moment im in melee range, it makes more sense to me the split middle icon PS | HB

even oblit though

on the other hand, the default rotation should be "Masterfrog AOE" and not "Masterfrog ST"

since Masterfrog AOE has the ST included

[naive portal]

And follow the same convention as the 2h with ST/AOE in the name imo

[lament bluff]

agree

[solemn halo]

Why split in melee, hb is split at range due to just showing you can hb right now since you cant plague strike, but optimally youd plague strike if you could run forward

[lament bluff]

Then it might be only showing plague strike if I’m in melee since it’s the optimal cast (meaning that I’m good to cast it?) and PS|HB in range, following your explanation

[solemn halo]

Yes

Thats the idea

[lament bluff]

yeah cool mate. However in the recording we can see that only HB is in middle even though we are good to cast PS right?

[solemn halo]

I didnt watch the recording Im just saying what's supposed to happen 😅

[lament bluff]

ahhhh

LOL

[naive portal]

lol it does happen that, havent noticed it before. Also its not a new thing cuz im rocking an older version

[solemn halo]

The half icon at range tho ya?

Its been a while since I added it yes

[lament bluff]

yeah

[lament bluff]

based on the screenshot from the left, only HB should be shown and only PS or PS|HB from the right screenshot

[median wigeon]

As UH, there is issues with plague leech and DoT snapshoting in general

When you plague leech, NAG never tell to reaply disease just after

And for snapshotting in general, duno why but nag keeps telling to spam outbreak sometimes (when there's no new proc to snapshot)

[night urchin]

Are you on the newest version?

#🌟｜nag-updates message

[median wigeon]

will try whats left of my raid with latest one (i did update last night, but yeah there's new versions since)

(and just wanted to report while I'm doing my raid and thinking of it xD )

nope doesn't change anything

now it doesnt tell to plague strike to apply DoT when engaging fight / switching

(and still doesnt tell to reaply dot after plague leech)

will test on what's left of my raid to tell exactly what doesnt work

on protector, it never tells to put dot on pull / when you switch back to them

but it does tell to plague strike when switching on adds

thats weird

[night urchin]

Ok thank you for reporting this and appreciate the testing hopefully we can get this figured out soon

[median wigeon]

Oh yeah I just saw that sometimes nag doesnt tell on left side that gargoyle / unholy frenzy came off cd

[night urchin]

If the fight is projected to last less than 3 mins longer, it should be saving them for exe phase

So that would be normal depending on fight length

[median wigeon]

yeah i saw that on some boss they were showing when off cd, so I guess nag is keeping them for exec

[tacit chasm]

i need some help

the addon and my key is not working

[viral hedge]

ya use tebex or patreon?

[tacit chasm]

tebex

[viral hedge]

it work in town?

/claim for now see if that works

while i go take a look

ya good now

just told tebex to resend

/generate_key

ya purple now lol

ya one of us now 😛

[tacit chasm]

nice

[viral hedge]

@gray sand ya having prob too?

o nm ya look good

[tacit chasm]

yeah

thx

[gray sand]

im good i think

[median wigeon]

Any news / update about those issues ? 🙂

[night urchin]

No im sorry, not at this point 🙁

[slow escarp]

@median wigeon can you please record?

I need help replicating so I can understand the exact conditions

[median wigeon]

just updated on latest release, I'm not seeing those bugs anymore on target dummy

Gonna try in dungeon to see if everything is working

[median wigeon]

ok yeah there is still an issue with plague leech, got it on video

just trying to see how to compress cuz its 500mb lulz

here you can see that when nag is suggesting plague leech, I'm pressing it and then NAG doesn't tell to reaply dot directly

(first 20 seconds of video, rest is just me trying to switch on dog to see if nag is telling to apply dot, but runes where on cd and i took a stun so couldn't see shit, but i think that the switch / pull dot suggestion is good now)

if you need more footage feel free to ask

btw on target dummy it seems to work fine, no idea why on "real" encounter plague leech & dot reaply doesn't rly work

[next stump]

doesnt work for me

easiest way is to upload on youtube

[median wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGng9whiLRI

[night urchin]

Do you not have an active sub Elwers? It requires an active sub to work properly anywhere except target dummies, which would explain why ur having issues 🙂

[median wigeon]

i had a sub whe i recorded, it just dropped an hour ago and i'm not home right now to reactivate it kek

[limber topaz]

Guessing its not a time-to-kill issue since target should not be expected to die that fast, not sure what the threshhold is set to if any

Top prio in rotation should probably be and probably is already to plaguestrike if no dots present so i'd assume its not a rotation thing but an addon thing, no?

I cant say i've seen this myself though

[median wigeon]

You think the issue could be caused by my nag installation ? Can try to do a full clean one with deleted nag wtf folder maybe ?_?

[night urchin]

You’re still not showing up in discord as subbed to the NAG, I’m assuming that’s why ur having issues when in instances but not when on dummy

Can try to ping uh

Someone and get help if ur having issue with Tebex sub, wanna say Rakizi or Liv

[median wigeon]

It's not the case, I just didn't resub today...

to prove you that when i reported the bug and when i did my video footage I was subbed on nag

[night urchin]

Ok, I only say that given you’re saying you weren’t having these issues on dummies right? Putting up dots should always be the top prio basically ye

[median wigeon]

Yes and that's why I find this bug particularly weird

[night urchin]

There might be something weird with the newer version though, hoping that’s not the case but

[median wigeon]

Maybe with a clean install it should fix the problem, will give it a try tomorrow when i get time

[night urchin]

Do you know the version you had last been using before this one by chance?

[median wigeon]

on video footage, v5.5.6 beta 36

On my raid test and issues from last week, 5.5.6 beta 20

[night urchin]

So you’ve had the same issues since at least beta 20?

Did beta 20 work for you for a bit and then break or didn’t work once you installed it? And do you know what version you were using before beta 20? I know that’s probably far back but just trying to get as much info as possible for debugging

[median wigeon]

din't work when I installed it, I was on a previous version that didn't worked too (something like beta 15-16 maybe, can't say which one because I have bought a new computer and I don't have my last downloaded files from previous computer on it to track which version I was on before going to 20)

But I can remember previous versions that were working very well before that

Might just be my nag addon thats corrupted with all the versions change / things I had to do to fix other problems (like with enhance sham nag a month ago) which may have made my NAG unstable

Will try a clean one tomorrow

If no one else is having issues with UH nag its coming from me

[limber topaz]

I can tell you which version im on later which works perfectly for me, i havent updated since the /nag aoe got added iirc

[slow escarp]

@median wigeon @left ridge @night urchin this should fix DK snapshots

plz try again, see if everything else falls into place

[median wigeon]

is this based on latest nag update ? (asking because latest nag fixed issues for enh cham logic, just to know if I have to switch nag versions if I wanna play my sham (if the version you linked fix my problem)

[slow escarp]

This was built on whatever was most updated! It should have all shaman fixes there

[median wigeon]

Ok, trying it in dungeon right now, Dot / plague leech seems to be fixed yes !

Can confirm after testing it, it's working ! Issues are gone ! Thank you

[slow escarp]

Yey!! Thanks!!

[limber topaz]

Remember to thank yourself aswell, contribution and even taking the time to record evidence / debug material, Kudos to you 💪

[viral hedge]

amen

🤣

trying to look at an icon, determine wtf that icon is, if it should be active etc etc when i got no clue what rotations hsould be makes it quite a pita for me 🤣

[novel egret]

Is HB supposed to show as a half icon in melee and full icon at ranged? I assume its supposed to be the opposite? lol

[solemn halo]

It is the opposite yes

I havent updated to the latest version so I havent even seen this

Suspect my versions old already

Is it just that function misbehaving @novel egret ?

[novel egret]

Yeah pretty much.

What version of NAG are you using btw?

I have not noticed anything else.

[solemn halo]

I dont even know what version

Think its the last one curse offered

[novel egret]

probs 5.5.4

[solemn halo]

@viral hedge seems the checking for range check is backwards in the latest version?

[novel egret]

Yeah latest stable release is fine. So no big deal.

[lament bluff]

Guys plague leech is F again? I’m in beta 38

Frost spec

Yeah is completely fucked haha

It shows up on top but no usage

It does never work

[solemn halo]

Shouldnt be

Try reset all?

I made no changes also havent updated

[lament bluff]

Tried already

[lament bluff]

Seems like something got wrong while trying to fix another DK stuff

PL is showing up when the conditions are not met

I’ll send a recording in some time

[lament bluff]

Okay the issue is with PS suggestions

Not suggested at all

It doesn’t tell to cast nor re-apply

[lament bluff]

in dummy it works fine but it didnt work in raid. The issue is with PS, not the PL calls (those are correct)

[lament bluff]

may be this possible? I mean, could that make sense ?

this has been always working ok except for today so thats why I was wondering if this may have been impacted after the snapshot workarounds recently made

[lament bluff]

It’s exactly this

[lament bluff]

Eeeeexactly this

No PS suggestion after PL but all working fine in dummy

I’m in the latest beta 38

[night urchin]

Did you try the link Fonsas dropped yesterday in here? That fixed the issue for Elwers

[lament bluff]

Well, no

[lament bluff]

Because of this reply from him

So I assume this fix was part already of the latest beta

And I updated to beta 38 this morning

[solemn halo]

Well plague strike on frost is only pressed when you have a non death unholy rune

If you had one of those and weren't full on other runes to prio howling blast or full on RP then it should show

Its kinda low on the prio

You do not need to keep up blood plague all the time

[lament bluff]

Yeah right but has been always suggested after PL right

[solemn halo]

Not for me at least

It shouldnt be immediately

Unless the situation of your resources called for it

[lament bluff]

So this replaces the existing beta 38?

[solemn halo]

Idk it wasn't really a recent change

[lament bluff]

Not immediately

[solemn halo]

If it never asks then thats an issue ya

[lament bluff]

Sometimes yes

[lament bluff]

Yes

Is never suggested but in dummy is working perfect

[solemn halo]

Okay

Theres 0 snapshot logic for frost so

Has to be something else

[lament bluff]

So I should try the file from Fonsas

[solemn halo]

I also didn't make any changes

[lament bluff]

This should fix it as per Elwer’s feedback

[solemn halo]

Maybe he tied something to plague strike globally on accident

[lament bluff]

Ya maybe

[solemn halo]

Should fix then ya

[median wigeon]

The fix fonsas gave here yesterday is in the beta 38 if I'm correct

but maybe fixing UH issues created frost issues ? weird °___°

[lament bluff]

thats the one im using yes

but facing exactly the same issue you faced yesterday @median wigeon

[night urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-thinking-spin-infinite-gif-18476342

[naive portal]

i thought this was fixed?

[lament bluff]

Strange it was fixed here but not in beta 38 LOL

[median wigeon]

that's weird lol

[lament bluff]

Indeed!

[slow escarp]

hmmmmm

what up, what broke?

[lament bluff]

#1347561798009753621 message

[median wigeon]

Seems like beta 38 snapshot isn't working for frost spec, but the version you linked to us is working lol

Tho I didn't test myself beta 38 on UH yet, I assumed it was working °°

[lament bluff]

Guys, it’s working on dungeons…

I dont get it haha

Beta 38

[slow escarp]

it might be the rotation selector fro frost not automatically switching between the 4 rotations it has

[lament bluff]

how this should work ? enabling auto-swap rotations option so we have 1 rota for ST and 1 rota for AOE. However, @solemn halo confirmed the AOE one has the ST as well

[slow escarp]

it should auto swap between the 2, and also between the 2h and dw options

[slow escarp]

its not something you notice, it happens automatically

[lament bluff]

I think it checks the equipped weapon right?

[slow escarp]

yes

[lament bluff]

And what’s the purpose of having those 2 rotations if one of them has everything inside mate?

[slow escarp]

but that isnt working atm

thats with darkfrog, but i bet some ppl just wanted to have it ST and thats it

[lament bluff]

Yeah most likely

[naive portal]

I unchecked the autoswap rotations, tested with both ST and AOE and im getting the same result on anything else but dummies that work as intended. Its not showing PS after Leech and it keeps suggesting leech when is not usable

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo hey sir. Does "Automatic Rotation Switching" make sense for frost DW? what was the argument on having 2x frost rotations ST an AOE if you said that the AOE one has everything? Im trying to fix the problem with the PS. It works ok generally but Fonsas is right on the rotation selector on not working as expected so I was wondering what if I switch the auto rotation selector off and I just set up the AOE rotation as default and that's it

[solemn halo]

I had the ST rotation before the aoe toggle was added

Its no longer needed

[lament bluff]

ok so is completely obsolete then...

then @slow escarp , can we remove "Masterfrog ST by darkfrog" from the available rotations and make "Masterfrog AOE by darkfrog" default?

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo am I correct mr?

[solemn halo]

Yea oblit can do the same

[naive portal]

wait wym by ‘it works ok generally’? I cant make it work as intended at all but dummies, which version are u on cuz i might be on a another one lol

[lament bluff]

beta 38

I think the problem is the auto rotation

[naive portal]

How so? I did comment the ST one leaving just the AOE by default and still happened to me aand leaving the checkbox for autoswapping rotation unmarked. PL suggested while no disease and never suggested PS. but tbf I dont even know if thats the right way of doing that

[lament bluff]

just tested again in random dung. U are right. Not always PS is suggested after PL. However, PL is still suggested even though PS is not on the target

but sometimes I see PS suggested right after PL

hard to find here the pattern...

maybe the auto rotation switch does not work smooth anyway? maybe unchecking the auto rotation does nothing?

[naive portal]

Yeah but my idea was that if i dont have others rotations for the autorotation to mess with it shouldnt matter and work as intended right?

[lament bluff]

maybe something with the target count?

[lament bluff]

I think thats the idea yes

[naive portal]

So i even commented both 2h rotation so i just have the AOE for frost and it keeps happening. Reading the APL im seeing this (that i think i get it right) so the fact that is suggesting when no blood plague is up might be the cause? idk

[night urchin]

That specifically checks that both diseases r up

So wouldn’t be that entry

[lament bluff]

now just done Stormstout Brewery and it worked absolutely fine in every boss encounter

but not in scarlet

[naive portal]

oof, i havent had a single time that its showing me as intended besides dummies 🙁

[lament bluff]

I faced the same yesterday in TOES

then I double checked in dummies and yeah

that was the same issue Elwers was facing the other day

then Fonsas sent a file that fixed the problem for him

but he confirmed this fix was part of the beta 38

[naive portal]

Yeah but does not the other line that suggest plague leech also checks for that same thing?

[night urchin]

they have the exact same check, so if anything is wrong with it it would be wrong with both entries

[limber topaz]

Unholy one is pretty nuts on this version, havent updated since

[naive portal]

yeah thats why im asking, is that stupid to think that is not considering only the dot applied by us and that being the issue? I had no PS suggestion but a plague leech instead on dungeons with dks on the group and the disease applied to the target not being mine

[night urchin]

No this might be what it is ty good catch

@viral hedge plz read Kime’s message if you would, I remember Headrippa saying he was having the same issue so might be what’s happening here

[naive portal]

Reading the unitDebuffUnified function is just filtering by "HARMFUL" and not "PLAYER|HARMFUL" but idk if thats something we wanna have for all scenarios

ill change that and test it out

[night urchin]

You wouldn’t ever rly care about other debuffs since NAG isnt like applying dots to cover raid debuffs

[naive portal]

maybe for buffs? like to not override buffs that does the same? like HoW or something

well now i dont have an extra dk to test it on dungeons lol

that seems to be the issue and the fix for it (again, dont m have a second dk to help me out rn to test it lol) but at least is now consistently working on dungeons

[viral hedge]

Ya, sorry i had a rough day today. felt like shit. lemme try to catch up to whatever was here

[lament bluff]

I can 100% confirm thats the issue

just done a dung with another dk and PS is not suggested at all. Previous dungeon, there were no other dks so PS was working as expected

[slow escarp]

hell yeah im fixing this atm

@viral hedge i might have a solution for this in place. testing now, will push soon

[limber topaz]

This also explains why ive never seen the issue, as i play 10m with no other dksn

Good catch indeed

@naive portal ! 💪

[lament bluff]

Yeah really good

[slow escarp]

@naive portal @lament bluff @limber topaz plz try this one! should be fixes

fixed**

[naive portal]

Huuuge, I didnt have a single dk last night to test it right away but Ill be testing it in tn’s 25m

[naive portal]

Did i forgot to turn off something? lmao

[naive portal]

i dont think its fixed @slow escarp 🙁

[naive portal]

https://youtu.be/GL3qDWOd2Ms?si=IGzHlzCF3f8685-Y video proof 😛

[viral hedge]

no. fonsas is just sending stuff out he shouldn't 😛 bad @slow escarp 🤣
that sposed to be stripped in the release process, why those are .3mb bigger than the regular releases

safe to ignore it though, the regular wago/nag update releases won't have that, just the test versions he sends out. no biggie though

[lament bluff]

Yep…seems not to be fixed

[naive portal]

I tried with the version fonsas sent (prev img sent) and also i did the change on the function i was thinking was the guilty one but after a nag reset it happened again (video)

[lament bluff]

So that change does not fix it right

[naive portal]

i dont think so, im looking for a dk to hit a dummy with plague strike to see if doin /dump NAG:DotIsActive(55078) its returning true or false after that change

[lament bluff]

Smart

[naive portal]

Its incredible how when i need a second dk is literally not a single one lol

[naive portal]

well i just grabbed the black arrow dot and its showing as active so its not that function (added a print too to see if it was called) . So i did find which was the actual function that was being called and its working with a quick change. Adding 'PLAYER|' to the default UnitAura does the trick, that or by just passing to the DotIsActive the filter "PLAYER|HARMFUL" instead of just NAG:UnitDebuff(targetUnit, spellId) @slow escarp @viral hedge

The quick test was, first the addon without the change and /dump NAG:DotIsActive(whatever dot spellId u find someone else is applying to the dummy) then adding that extra filter + /reload and run the same /dump .... it should now return false instead of true

https://youtu.be/B5KqRlUvUW0?si=wrxynsR4L0r0_yCN with the change

[median wigeon]

Ok i'm testing it in raid right now, the first version fonsas linked here (that I said was working in dungeon) doesn't work in raid, same for beta 38

trying with latest one fonsas linked here now