MoP DK

[slow escarp]

just send it

that if you want to level as dps

but blood generally does a MUCH better job when it comes to leveling

[unreal frost]

aight aight, thx. i'll see how I'll do. never played DK before so it will be fun trying out :)

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[slow escarp]

welcome to the community brotha! there you go 1 day worth of NAG.. just /generate_key and paste it ingame in the nag addon

[random crystal]

Man didnt even think twice about blood being a leveling spec.

Frost blasts is fun though. I enjoyed it while testing.

[naive portal]

Using latest version, dont think its changing at all for me (testing with a 2h still blasting as masterfrost instead of ob) but also looking at the prev img from ravx i have like 2 more rotations 🤔

[slow escarp]

right click the rotation selector, see if its toggled on, swap weapons see if they change

if it is on, try toggling it off and on again

change weapons again

if that fixes i know what it is, will patch

@naive portal

[naive portal]

Tested with a nag reset all, checkbox on true by default, masterfrost dw by default, swapping to gurth and still no 2h rotation.

Setting the thing to off and the on again + nag reload, gurth equipped and still masterfrost.

Same test but starting with dw and then swapping to gurh and still no change on the rotation for me

[slow escarp]

i fixed this yesterday, idk if its live yet

ill test and check

[rare wadi]

Getting some ~5s gaps with no runs or RP to do anything

[random crystal]

Get more haste?

[rare wadi]

I'm full BiS except for rign from Ultrax, pretty sure that would be the issue for everyone else too

[slow escarp]

What spec? I'll add more logic

Just means there's nothing to do atm

And that I havent added a prediction logic for that youre waiting for

[rare wadi]

Frost, but in talking to Dark it may be b/c we can't use PL and BT right now. Once they fix those talents we'll have a few more CPM

[left ridge]

Yeah, not being able to use BT would make a massive difference

For those moments in particular

[rare wadi]

Those gaps feel huge though atm

[left ridge]

Designed to be your replacement for what was runic corruption during cata

[rare wadi]

5s is forever in a live fight

[slow escarp]

2hand or masterfrost?

[left ridge]

For sure

[rare wadi]

MF

[slow escarp]

Ok I'll check

[rare wadi]

I'm not using any alpha builds, just the the prod one

[slow escarp]

Should have the look ahead

We dont push alphas anymore

Good

[rare wadi]

Yeah it has HB for the prediction, but a countdown timer starting at 5s occasionally

then, once I get past that, there's another rune gap with about 3s too

feels rough, but again it may be not getting to use BT and PL

[left ridge]

Well, you get additional runes from both, so for sure

[slow escarp]

With blank icons or another prediction?

[rare wadi]

Someone was saying the Devs have been saying on Github they may push a fix sooner than patch day

HB prediction

in all cases

[slow escarp]

Then that sounds about right

So you're just starving for runes

[rare wadi]

Oh, yeah, they're all on CD

I just wasn't sure if maybe there should be different logic

I'm not as good as Dark at recognizing which runes are available for what on the fly

while keeping up with mechanics

but I generally know when to save CDs and whatnot

[quick echo]

hows the frost nag feeling in prepatch at the moment have had time to test

[slow escarp]

darkfrog made several edits in it recently. still stuff to improve, but in general looks solid so far

[lament bluff]

I’ve been watching all his yt videos haha

I didn’t know he had a channel

[slow escarp]

that will be broadcasted!

im poking him to make some videos

besides fights

[lament bluff]

That helps a lot

To me at least

Mr. Darkrôt

[quick echo]

really got link to them?

[lament bluff]

Yes

https://youtube.com/@deaddarkfrog?si=X6nBYsBun5Dh8NP5

[solemn halo]

Mr editor is on vacation

Im doing what I can in the meantime

New updates to 2h and MF coming soon

[solemn halo]

They should be live now

[fierce cosmos]

I don't know if that's possible, and obviously if it's not too much work, but could you make a version for the prepatch ? Just about the unholy runes to keep one and not having two oblit in the rotation helper when you're not using blood tap (RE being better and not bugged in prepatch right?)

Don't worry if that too much burden / work I'll just start using NAG on MoP and do the rotation myself on prepatch without it 😄

[solemn halo]

Could just take the cata version

But im pretty sure its already in the mop version for if you have RE

[fierce cosmos]

It makes me spend the 2 unholy runes on non KM oblit

[solemn halo]

Ill take a look

Could be misbehaving

[quick echo]

is BT bugged or is it just me when its telling me to use it when i cant

[solemn halo]

the check was built into frost strike

Im making a slight adjustment

So it shouldnt tell you to frost strike with <1 unholy rune

somehow thats better

[fierce cosmos]

So it'll tells you to oblit on 2 runes (or PS without outbreak) and always keep 1 rune ?

[solemn halo]

youll oblit freely and save frost strike

but this isnt making sense to my brain

im doing something wrong in the APL as it was still casting a FS

oh I had a KM

yea that complicates things i gotta keep digging

[fierce cosmos]

I thought you always had to keep 1 uh runes perma with RE, and so the issue was oblit and not FS ?

[solemn halo]

thats in cata

this is mop

idk im digging as im getting dps losses

[fierce cosmos]

Oh okay my bad, I thought it was just a question of Blood Tap talented or not, and not a difference between MoP and cata.
This discussion made me think it was the case

[solemn halo]

I hadnt really investigated RE in the sim until now 😅

since im trying to put it in the NAG

i need to be accurate

[fierce cosmos]

Aha that's fine sorry for the extra-work

[solemn halo]

lol no its good

according to the sim

you dont care about anything with RE

probably due to the mastery buff to oblit making it better than it was in cata

[fierce cosmos]

alright so basically spend everything and voila?

with km on fs obviously

[solemn halo]

Yea I guess so

ya

im adding DnD to it too

[fierce cosmos]

Plague Leech works fine too ? Does it tells you when to press it when you're out of runes / when you're plague about to fade ? I couldn't try since they love bugging things they did debug 😄

[solemn halo]

it should

im going to do a real test right now

gotta fix my weak aura anyway

yea the NAG calls look to work correctly

[solemn halo]

latest black market release

[fierce cosmos]

Thanks for the hard work. I'm not familiar with it yet, can I paste that somewhere ?

[fierce cosmos]

thx

[fierce cosmos]

What's the condition for DnD by the way ? 2+ target full duration or nothing else to press ? But can NAG actually calculate that (for the 2+ full duration) ?

[solemn halo]

it for sure can

I didnt add it to that yet

current requirement is just having 2+

[slow escarp]

what rotation are you in? are you sure thats masterfrost and not oblit rotation? so that we dont go around fixing the wrong one

[slow escarp]

alright should this be deafult?

[slow escarp]

hummmm quite sure we fixed it a while ago

hopping on a dk

[slow escarp]

i REALLY dont see it breaking here

try a '/nag reset all' to get rid of all rotation edits you have

and try the beta release on curse

[rare wadi]

So is the latest push by Dark fixing a slight in the rotation?

[solemn halo]

I dont really know what was wrong with it tbh

[fierce cosmos]

Masterfrost yeah, but it was about a rule with unholy runes pretty much, but darkfrog told me it doesn't change anything so it's alright

[slow escarp]

@fierce cosmos @solemn halo just tested, it was indeed consuming lots more unholy runes.. then i swapped from blood tap to runic empower.. it stopped consuming so much

check if thats the case

also, are there BT suggestions frog?

[solemn halo]

There most definitely are

Are they broken

[slow escarp]

cool!

no

i tested for 30 secs

you could already see the difference on oblits

[fierce cosmos]

It should be normal that it consumes more with BT since you don't care about refreshing them with frost strike anymore. I just though it was still the cata rotation for RE

[solemn halo]

Did you try my new rotations

[slow escarp]

yea, i used his new rota

its default now

[solemn halo]

I found RE you dont care about consuming unholy runes anymore

[slow escarp]

should be pushed soon

[solemn halo]

So it shouldn't be any different

[fierce cosmos]

I tried it, it's nice having D&D even on single target when there is nothing else to do.
It didn't happened before, but is it normal that NAG disappear when there is no button at all to press?

[solemn halo]

Yea it was a minor dps gain

And yea prob cause I dont have fonsas look ahead checks

It doesnt bother me personally because I know theres nothing to do

[fierce cosmos]

Yeah actually it's pretty nice

I tried only a dummy tho, I'm getting starved really really quickly

Due to no blood tap / plague leech I suppose

[fierce cosmos]

I never did DS (going to play it tonight). Isn't Morchok a 2 target boss ? I'm not seeing any D&D in logs

[solemn halo]

Depends if you stack them

Most people dont

[fierce cosmos]

I tried with Plague Leech, since it seems to work fine ? And it's so much better lol, Unholy Blight is so trash

[solemn halo]

Haha I know

[fierce cosmos]

Sounds like a normal recap for dummy pure mono ? I feel like HB is a bit low and obli a bit high, but that's maybe because no raid buffs at all?

55 vs 46 casts

[astral valley]

any way i can keep this little guy from resetting to default position every time I load/reload? didn't see a "lock" button but I'm probably missing it in NAG settings somewhere.

[slow escarp]

I'll look into it

[fierce cosmos]

Or i'm understanding something wrong maybe

[solemn halo]

Idk I'll dive in when im home

[fierce cosmos]

Sure

Tried in raid, it was fine, just a few thing to adapt myself
Just not sure bout oblit but it sounds fine

[solemn halo]

I havent raided masterfrost with the updated rotation so idk

looks alright

[astral valley]

Ty; meant to put this in sub chat; not sure why it went here 🫠

[fierce cosmos]

Does the 5.0.3 update bring the rotation you did on base ? Or should I keep the one you sent here ?

[fierce cosmos]

I have this

[slow escarp]

i updated his to the new default

plus added some lookahead lines

[fierce cosmos]

Ty, so it's the masterfrog by darkfrog from the 4 july ?

[random crystal]

Our Monk is going to main tank this week so I’ll be going frost. I setup 2h Obliterate and was doing some testing.

Is blood tap bugged? It seems like it won’t refund and convert a rune that is actively refreshing.

[slow escarp]

MASTERFROG is a GREAT name

yes

[fierce cosmos]

Lmao I didn't even do that on purpose

[fierce cosmos]

Plague leech seems to work fine but I had bug with blood tap, doesn't seems fixed yet. But if you have the 4P RE is apparently better anyway for the prepatch since it boost your mastery with RE (unsure bout 2H but DW it's the case)

[solemn halo]

Explain BT bug?

I dont experience it... would help to fix

[solemn halo]

Both of the same type are on CD?

Idk im hearing reports but im unsure people are understanding how blood tap even works

[fierce cosmos]

Ah maybe is it fixed ? It got it like on the 5-6th july

[solemn halo]

Oh lol

Yea it should be

[random crystal]

BT is being pressed at this screen grab right after using obliterate. It doesnt refund a rune, even after 2-3 presses. It finally refunds once i use the 2nd obliterate to fully deplete all frost/unholy runes.

[solemn halo]

You dont have an empty rune

A fully depleted rune is 0 of a type

[random crystal]

Okay , so i wont refund a refreshing rune, only a fully depleted.

[solemn halo]

Also your unholy and frost runes are backwards and it bothers me lol

I mean a depleted rune is still refreshing

[random crystal]

Ive never noticed tbh.

[solemn halo]

But you need a depleted rune ( two empty of a type ) and it will give you 1 death of that type

The fact that it's recommending BT is a bug tho

@slow escarp is your hardcode wrong

What i had to do is look at the specific rune slots

So blood 1 and blood 2 have to be empty or frost 1 and frost 2 etc

[random crystal]

i think its from Line 9 in the 2h Obliterate. It has no other BT check other then just the num of stacks on the buff.
or (NAG:AuraNumStacks(114851) > 10) and NAG:Cast(45529)

[solemn halo]

Ya BT should have a hardcode requirement of a empty rune

So that I didn't have to do that every time lol

And then its the same for all specs

[random crystal]

Thanks for helping me understand.

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

[slow escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

Opened an issue

[solemn halo]

#1347561798009753621 message

Might be necessary to do this since death runes are annoying

[slow escarp]

I thought I had that in

I tested

[solemn halo]

Me too

[slow escarp]

Ill check at pc

[solemn halo]

Yet here we are

[slow escarp]

i really got it wrong bcs im dumb

just fixed it

[solemn halo]

Hehe

Question

Do you have to fix plague strike too then

Sorry plague leech

[slow escarp]

no it was correct

[solemn halo]

Ah ok nice

[slow escarp]

            if spellId == 45529 or GetSpellInfo(spellId) == "Blood Tap"  then --TODO: blood tap hardcodede bcs blizzard cant control it their end
                if NAG:AuraNumStacks(114851) >= 5 and (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) == 0 and NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneFrost) == 0 and NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneDeath) == 0) then    
                    return self:IsReadySpell(spellId, tolerance)
                else
                    return false
                end
            end
            if spellId == 123693 then --TODO: plague leech hardcodede bcs blizzard cant control it their end -- 123693
                if NAG:DotIsActive(59921) and NAG:DotIsActive(57601) and (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) == 0 or NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneFrost) == 0 or NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneDeath) == 0) then    
                    return self:IsReadySpell(spellId, tolerance)
                else
                    return false
                end
            end

oh shit no

this is wrong again

HAHAHAHA

[solemn halo]

Should be OR not AND

[slow escarp]

yes correct

just fixed again

[solemn halo]

The rune type death isn't confusing anything ya

Since you can have unholy death runes

[slow escarp]

good question, should be blood

there ya go

now it should work

[solemn halo]

Ill test it tonight

[slow escarp]

if we dont push until then, here you are

[solemn halo]

Are those the real disease ids

55078 - blood plague

55095 - frost fever

[slow escarp]

it gets by name anyway

[solemn halo]

Ok good

[slow escarp]

as long as they have the same name

it works

[solemn halo]

Wonder if that matters on other language clients

[slow escarp]

nono

[solemn halo]

OK 👍

[slow escarp]

GetSpellInfo(id1) == GetSpellInfo(id2)

so name with name

[solemn halo]

Just checking 🫡

[fierce cosmos]

What's the outbreak condition ? It doesn't appear on pull for example, and sometimes it's not recommend to use even after a plague leech when the cd's is up?

[slow escarp]

@solemn halo you can use NAG:Snapshot now.. headripa fixed all issues.

For example, when you cast Plague Strike to apply Blood Plague, you can check NAG:Snapshot("ap", 55078) to see what your attack power was at the time of application. Then you can use NAG:SnapshotPercent(55078, "ap") to see the percentage increase/decrease compared with what you have now.

Similarly, for Frost Fever NAG:Snapshot("ap", 55095) and NAG:SnapshotPercent(55095, "ap")
it only takes one ID but it takes several stats if you want to check crit, str, etc

for a snapshot logic for outbreak

[slow escarp]

if snapshot was already in, the function was broken, i just patched it

ill check with darkfrog if we can debug that

[fierce cosmos]

You mean for UH ? I'm talking about frost for outbreak

[slow escarp]

it might just not be worth all that much

i know its in for frost

maybe frog can explain it batter than me

ive seen this topic pop up before

[fierce cosmos]

Well it's fine I know my opener / check my cd's anyway, It's just for people that will follow the rotation regiliously and Plague Strike on opener instead of outbreak while running toward the boss (on dw)

[slow escarp]

it should be polished for all, ty for bringing that up.
@solemn halo maybe we can add range checks and bump up the prio on outbreak
NAG:DistanceToTarget() > x

let me experiment with that myself

1 sec

[fierce cosmos]

Of course, good luck for your work, it's always a pleasure using it :]

[slow escarp]

what glyphs youre using?

this might be related to another bug entirely

i see that frog already has several outbreak checks in

they should have kicked in before PS for sure

[fierce cosmos]

Maybe it's the pestilence one?

[slow escarp]

i think glyph of outbreak is buggy

not the case then

let me investigate wtf going on

[fierce cosmos]

Maybe it's also due to Unholy Blight ? Even if don't have it talented, you don't especially have to outbreak often when you're using it

[solemn halo]

Don't use outbreak glyph at all

Thats the one that breaks it

Ill work on snapshotting sometime today or tomorrow thx fonsas

[fierce cosmos]

I do have it on my blood spec if that does matter, but I suppose it don't

[slow escarp]

i got an improve there

wait

try this out

[slow escarp]

try editing the rotation and paste this one..
just added a range check with outbreak having a higher prio if youre running in

@fierce cosmos

[fierce cosmos]

Thanks I'll try that out whenever the game want to launch :]

[fierce cosmos]

Should I combine that with the fix you posted just above ? Or the one in nag-updates ?

[slow escarp]

just click to edit masterfrost rotation and paste it there, replacing whats in
it should be there

[fierce cosmos]

seems to work fine, as it's supposed to be removed when you're too close right? (3 yard)

[slow escarp]

yes, then darkfrogs calls kicks in

where should it pop in the opener if you start melee range right from the start?

[solemn halo]

If youre in melee range its prob better to PS

Outbreak was really only good if you cant PS

Like in range or no unholy runes

[fierce cosmos]

Oh that's why it's not considerate when you can just basically HB and PS after PL ?

[solemn halo]

Yes

I should add a range check to it tbh that would be cool

Then fonsas can remove whatever he added

[slow escarp]

@solemn halo @fierce cosmos its official now

masterfrog it is

let haters hate

[solemn halo]

😂

[leaden bronze]

tbh, i love it 😂

[fierce cosmos]

Should I keep using the version you sent me or the base one is updated please ?

[solemn halo]

Should be updated

[fierce cosmos]

Thanks ! :] You kept the outbreak idea for later right ?
Also I was wondering, KM on FS take prio over reapplying Blood Plague with Plague Strike ?

[solemn halo]

Yea im doing some work tonight on unholy, will take a look at frost again as well

Any suggestions lmk i think I've gathered enough info to work on the code too

[fierce cosmos]

I haven't tried Blood Tap yet since RE is better with 4P but I could try with it if you want
Also Plague Leech seems to appear quite often, even on opener/when I have buttons to press. It's whenever you have a good opportunity for runes refreshing ? I tend to press it whenever I have nothing else to do or whenever my BP is going to fade mostly.

[solemn halo]

It should just be at every opportunity really ya

The problem is that its not in the main frame I think

So its getting calls a bit premature

Its nice for some stuff aka rogue tricks where you know you wanna press it but it might be at a different time

[fierce cosmos]

Maybe it appear more often because I don't have blood tap in talents too. I don't know how it work, but maybe if you have blood tap to press that will generate you a guaranteed rune, and not rely on a proc like RE, plague leech would appear less often

[solemn halo]

Nah it would appear alongside BT

And you choose

As long as you can actually press PL when it shows then I think its alright

[fierce cosmos]

And yeah maybe put outbreak directly in middle/right rotation for opener if you're far enough, since it shouldn't appear a lot in fights anyway, unless you're doing something wrong / you're far ahead from the boss
But that's honestly just personal preference at this point, I wouldn't make you change something so little

[solemn halo]

I can mess with that ya

[fierce cosmos]

Outbreak keep appearing on blood bcs I have the glyph right?

[solemn halo]

If you have diseases already up its probably trying to snapshot vengeance

[random crystal]

I’ll have to test since snapshot was fixed. I’ve been working on correcting the logic behind managing higher AP snap shot diseases with blood boil.

Outbreak should only be requested if your target does not have frost fever or blood plague, or you just cast DRW.

[solemn halo]

so, how exactly is this inserted into the apl

Do I put the snapshot check into plague strike

and then the snapshot percent into outbreak?

[slow escarp]

just use percent

if you do NAG:SnapshotPercent(55078, "ap") it will tell you the AP from when 55078 was applied compared to the ap you have now

so NAG:SnapshotPercent(55078, "ap") > 0.2 is a 20% increase

but if you want raw values

use the other one

[solemn halo]

(NAG:DotPercentIncrease(55078) > 0.2)

this is what the parser gives

is that the same thing

[slow escarp]

yes the same thing

they both work

@solemn halo

[solemn halo]

ok cool

i have an issue with death coil right now

i was trying to fix it myself

its showing at all times right now

[slow escarp]

maybe the rotation got stuck. do you have debug mode on with trace selected?

ping rakizi, i need sleep

plz

[solemn halo]

its not really stuck since DC isnt on the main frame

but dw i figure it out myself get sleep

[solemn halo]

i think you had this in wrath, but im gonna expiriment with suggesting HB if youre not in range, but at the same time I want the player to KNOW theyre not in range

so maybe ill put it in a different spot

aoe perhaps

the only thing is I need it to not show double now when it actually calls for HB

@viral hedge i ideas?

[viral hedge]

BUSY!

🤣

fully drag and drop now make it htf you want

well when it done

haha

what ideas?

[solemn halo]

I want to call a spell for if youre in range,

but if the rotation naturally calls for that spell

it calls double

since i put it in a dif spot

[viral hedge]

Ya, not sure really haha. i did notice that in some when i was trying to debug some isssues

fonsas made that change with positional thing, i haven't really had a chance to look at it

but i believe that would be 'working as intended' atm lol

[viral hedge]

you are calling one with a LEFT or something and one regular?

[solemn halo]

naturally i want to HB, but i put a check in for if youre in range to HB

but i want the player to know this isnt default and that theyre in range

[viral hedge]

i mean it just doing what the logic says haha, only way would be similar/opposite logic on the other check i'd thiunk?

[solemn halo]

yea but then it breaks it lmao

[viral hedge]

lol

hrm

[solemn halo]

like, i want this to show maybe if the other HB isnt showing

[viral hedge]

so the left one is sposed to indicate they are in range of multi mobs and the reg one is just the reg rotation one?

[solemn halo]

yea

it was supposed to be in aoe slot but since they the same spell it does that

[viral hedge]

it won't put the AOE one in the aoe slot if it's in primary?

[solemn halo]

mhm

[viral hedge]

hrm, that mighta been something cusdtom he did, not sure he's done with all that he still working on strict sequences and stuffs

so if you cast it and hb back in middle the hb icon goes left?

from aoe?

[solemn halo]

yes

[viral hedge]

kk

can try to poke and see

think fonsas just crashed few ago

[solemn halo]

maybe if you have 2 icons, only show 1?

but yes he did

[viral hedge]

ya

[solemn halo]

ill do a /issue and get to it whenever

no rush

[viral hedge]

button to change direction of icon flow too 😛

need to make that red or something so more visible

thank you haha

i'll forget in 20 minutes by time i fix what i doing 😛

[solemn halo]

hahaha

[viral hedge]

can i get the apl export ya testing

[solemn halo]

It in the dk discussion channel

Masterfrost

[floral coral]

can someone post me the latest Blood Rota? Since i had to go back to the Version from 7th July. Or didnt change anything since then?

[slow escarp]

bdk? no changes recently

still need an AOE rotation in

[floral coral]

oh, thats exactly why i asked 😂 thought there was AoE maybe. Damn 😫

[slow escarp]

all classes need some AOE love

[slow escarp]

Headrippa just slapped me in the face. BDK has AOE we just failed to updated his new rotation to the new standard ingame

import that one

just out of drippa's oven

headrippa is a god man wtf

[random crystal]

Full Disclosure, that view is by iLVL on my alt. I dont have 410 gear. He was used to tank alt raids to gear them up. So he is just a 397 iLVL parser. lol

My main is the one we full send in 410 gear.

We didnt try competing the last 3 weeks of DS 4.5 though. Too many comps stacking warlocks, dragons staff, gurthalacks, and lego daggers. So we shifted from speed boss kills , to speed clear.

[slow escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/om-shanti-om-shah-rukh-khan-romantic-fall-in-love-gif-7410299839772033675

[proper cave]

@solemn halo So Im using NAG while leveing my frost DK im gonna main in MoP, do we really use howling blast this often? lol it seems like I push that way more and never oblit. Is that correct?

[solemn halo]

Thats masterfrost for ya

Read my guide in frost channel pins

[proper cave]

Okay, I was just making sure I was reading everything right and the NAG settings were all good, I actually like being a howling blast machine gun, just making sure Im not dumb in the process haha, thanks! Ill check it out!

For the forst WA tho, the "both" timer for diseases basically flops on top of the individual ones, so looks kinda redundant, no?

[solemn halo]

Wdym

Show a picture

[proper cave]

the orange one is labeled "both"

[solemn halo]

OH I have to update that

Haven't touched that WA yet

[proper cave]

Okay, gotcha

I just imported them cause you can do it right from NAG now (Which is dope and super handy btw)

Ill just delete the both one for now and wait for the udate then!

[solemn halo]

Yea its just extras not necessary to have

I use my own weak aura i made instead

[proper cave]

gotcha

[solemn halo]

https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1373063160516317235

[slow escarp]

yeah it should be disabled, sorry

[slow escarp]

i liked the BG tho haha

[solemn halo]

Ill work on it soon

[proper cave]

Yeah its one of your built in ones "Lightning Arrow" but looked frosty enough, would love some more of those to choose from as well but I know you all are busy busy with the expac update ❤️

[slow escarp]

Wanna have some fun making them? They are all GPT made.
Feed them to gpt and go crazy making changes. Send my way and I can size it perfectly

They are under NAG/Media

[solemn halo]

I can't for the life of me figure out how to compare two triggers in weak auras

I can do a bandaid fix of just deleting the combined timer

[proper cave]

Sure let me see what I can whip up!

[solemn halo]

Ill see what I can do about BT

[proper cave]

Its probably just a muscle memory thing/ learning curve tbh.

I also might have it on a crap keybind, so theres that

It pops up when I can use it, so I dont think NAG is the problem tbh

[solemn halo]

I have it on F

[proper cave]

Yeah min is on the 3 key on my corsair simitar, but I might move it to E where blood boil is, since I never use that lol

[solemn halo]

interesting

i have a 12 button mouse too

all my main abilites go on the mouse, CD on keyboard

depending

[proper cave]

Ah Im the opposite haha, main abilities on keyboard CDs on mouse

[lament bluff]

Can you please share it?

[solemn halo]

logitech g600

[lament bluff]

Never tried MMO mouse before so can I expect a better quality of gaming?

[solemn halo]

i went up in skill considerably with one

couldnt reach enough buttons before

[lament bluff]

good to know

[solemn halo]

Depends on how you are and how comfortable you are with your current setup...

I bought the mouse like 3 months into playing wow

I really liked the game but couldn't handle clicking all my spells...

[lament bluff]

well im used to bind everything so I feel a bit uncomcortable trying to reach to all of them sometimes

[solemn halo]

I don't touch any numbers with my left hand

And the entire left of the keyboard has a bind

I still don't have enough binds

I click my pot out of bar still every fight

[lament bluff]

I assume you move with A/D + pressing mouse?

I mean horizontally

[solemn halo]

Yes I rebound strafe and turn with mouse

[lament bluff]

Hey @solemn halo . What shall we prioritise when PL and blood tap are showing up at the same time?

There are some situations when I see PL on the top and BT on the left so I was wondering what should press before

[stable locust]

hi there, thanks for all the work ! I cant figure out how to turn on the AOE rotation (for 2h frost mostly), am i missing something or is that not planned at all ? If i recall well we had it in wotlk ?

[slow escarp]

2h frost is getting some more love by both @solemn halo and @random crystal .
Aoe should come soon enough

[solemn halo]

2h frost aoe is going to be just the masterfrost rotation after 2 mobs

Trying to sim what works best thats what I found

Working on a way to switch rotations automatically

[slow escarp]

That can also be done!

Let me make a new function that when triggered swaps rotations

Better than auto detection

[lament bluff]

I think BT to consume the charges?

[solemn halo]

Bt>pl

[lament bluff]

Yeah, cool

Thanks sir

[stable locust]

honestly i prefered the wotlk system where the aoe appeared on top of main rotation, this wasnt relevant for masterfrost ofc since its basically the same, but with 2h it allowed you to keep the single target cycle if need be

[solemn halo]

We are working on a new way to show aoe

But 2h is a special beast... optimizing aoe is a waste of time when you can just use DW for a ton more damage

Doesn't mean I wont do it

I just dont like to do it 😆

[lament bluff]

That’s 100% true

Why to play 2H???

I’m still don’t understand

[solemn halo]

People rlly like 2h or they are offspec frost

But the people who are hardstuck 2h main frost i don't understand

[lament bluff]

Ye but why not DW off spec?

[solemn halo]

Need weapons and dif reforging

[lament bluff]

I dont see the issue 🤣

[solemn halo]

Agree but its just easier lol

[lament bluff]

😣

It takes lot of time from you trying to optimise something that is not optimal by itself

[solemn halo]

I appreciate the offspec 2h frost they can keep it but if you main frost you should want to be the best

[lament bluff]

Just in very very very limited encounters

But not the case of MoP

[solemn halo]

Depends on WCL rules hahaha

[lament bluff]

Ah ya…

That’s another story yes

[solemn halo]

Though its like 1-2% dps single target

Not worth it

[lament bluff]

Exactly…

[stable locust]

yeah true

[solemn halo]

Like the aoe gap is so large its actually insane

[stable locust]

i meant that in a general way, even for Unholy, having a way to show the variation of rotation considering the numer of mob would be interesting

[warped jackal]

2h will be meta when they remove AoE from warcraft logs.

[lament bluff]

And does it make sense to dedicate the resources and your time on it? Just thinking out loud man

[solemn halo]

Eh I dont think so

Not big enough dps gap

[warped jackal]

Yeah I'm helping the copers cope.

[solemn halo]

Hahaha

[solemn halo]

I mean thats why I haven't done it and if you can show 2 rotations at once it would

[warped jackal]

If you wanna play 2h just play ret, basically the easiest 2h rotation beside frost

[solemn halo]

Thats the goal of aoe anyway for nag

Basically 2h aoe would be recommending HB when you have runes

Thats as far as id optimize it

[warped jackal]

And you won't be in mastery reforge, so why play 2h at all then. Also 1h str are free.

[solemn halo]

I spent a good time on sims finding it out.... it was a nightmare and changes every target you add where you prio oblit

[warped jackal]

2H frost = Ret pally for me

[solemn halo]

If theres a chad 2h frost feel free to do it yourself but it ain't me hahaha

[warped jackal]

Now if we could get dual weird Obliterate and feel like ICC again that would be to much for blizzard to let us have fun.

[solemn halo]

I mean you can

[warped jackal]

But it does no dmg.

[solemn halo]

Its like 4-6k dps loss or something

Thats not the worst

Maybe can be less reforging

[warped jackal]

Yeah but then we would be mid again.

[solemn halo]

I prefer masterfrost either way

Tho wotlk was fun it was static and thats what made it fun

[warped jackal]

Yes my point exactly, but I enjoyed MF either way.

[solemn halo]

The new oblit now isnt really static

[warped jackal]

I played 2H gurth in DS week just cause DS is all ST and Gurth is just OP when it procs.

[solemn halo]

"When it procs" is key

I hate gurth

Giga ultraxion but 0 procs

[warped jackal]

It's wasn't too bad as Frost. Avg like 7 to 8% dmg

[solemn halo]

That's a lot

Less than UH since mastery but ya

Doing 8% less dmg means no parse

[warped jackal]

But my fury warrior did morchok with zero procs with 2 gurths that felt so bad. I was demoralized the rest of the raid.

[solemn halo]

DW doesnt give more procs sadly

[warped jackal]

I thought melee off hands had a chance. Just no abilities

[solemn halo]

Nah they fixed that before DS launch so fury didn't do insane dmg

Also messing with frost and souldrinker 😡

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo is there something pending to polish for MF?

I’ve been testing in dummy today for so long

53k dps maintained

I’m full bis of course

[solemn halo]

I think its pushed

I have one without many changes, its just stuff for the weak aura im updating

So you dont see the stuff twice

[fierce cosmos]

Hello, I tried playing with blood tap (on a dummy) and I was wondering what was the conditions for it ? Sometimes I have like 6 stacks and nothing else to press and yet it doesn't appear on the NAG (yet it glow on the WA for BT / plague leech you made)

[proper cave]

a fully depleted rune, aka, both runes used, one regening, one empty waiting to regen

[fierce cosmos]

Hmm shouldn't it show me when I have nothing to do and can press BT for a HB ?

[proper cave]

Not if you have an unholy rune sitting there not used, then you have to wait for a frost to spend it on oblit, so some times its just not available to use because of how it works

[fierce cosmos]

A frost on oblit ?

[proper cave]

oblit takes a frost and an unholy, and if Im correct its our only wya to spend unholy runes

[fierce cosmos]

Oh yeah alright, so even if I have like 6 stacks, it's worth waiting over ~ 3 seconds rather than pressing BT for fishing an HB ?

[proper cave]

So if an unholy rune is up, the other one is regenning so you dont have a "depleted" rune to spend BT on

Thats a question for someone smarter than I, I just press it when it pops up on NAG lol

[solemn halo]

The weak aura doesnt tell you when to press

It just tells you when you CAN press it

The NAG tells you according to the APL (and is working afaik)

There is no prio for nothing to do and use blood tap

[fierce cosmos]

Alright thanks, so basically press it whenever it pop on NAG and I'll be fine. It would never overstack I presume ?

[solemn halo]

it shouldnt

unless you miss the window

im looking to extend it

it goes away currently

maybe its better to have in the main icon

or I can sneak in a strict sequence

BT->HB

[lament bluff]

This is how it does atm right?

[fierce cosmos]

Yeah the window is really tiny, so I often just press it after reaching 8-10 stacks or whenever I need a rune currently, it's hard to react at first

[lament bluff]

Every time we press BT, it suggests HB

[fierce cosmos]

even on KM ?

[lament bluff]

Good question

Didn’t notice tbh

[fierce cosmos]

I remember having a obliterate after (no RP and KM)

[lament bluff]

I will pay attention next time

But yeah the BT is a big thing

[solemn halo]

thats a very specific scenario ya

it will be a second sequence Ill look to add

but yea if you have RP do not Oblit

[fierce cosmos]

Thanks, I still have to adapt to BT myself, but I was a bit lost at first, seeing it sometimes or not or disappearing really quickly, so I was pressing it randomly whenever I needed a rune for HB or high stacks

[solemn halo]

yea that works and its much of a dps loss

[fierce cosmos]

How big is it ? I'm unsure how to train it honestly

[solemn halo]

like 1k dps

sounds large but

its not

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo I have a raid today in some hours. Wanna me to check some new version of FDK?

you said there were some minor changes/adjustments if im not wrong?

[solemn halo]

They're all live friend 🧡

Usually released same day or next at latest

Haven't had time for weak aura yet

[lament bluff]

weak aura for what brody?

I thought there was something strange with the BT calls that it dissapears so quickly

[solemn halo]

Oh im still working on that

Im busy making videos

[lament bluff]

YT live

[solemn halo]

What would you prefer video or BT fix 😉

[lament bluff]

hmmmm

BOTH AND AT THE SAME TIME

dont sleep

dont talk

dont eat

[solemn halo]

Im working rn cant do either

[lament bluff]

LOL

I can introduce you my indians

[solemn halo]

That provokes something bad i cant say

But either way im good lmao

[lament bluff]

[clever yacht]

I noticed that when Death Siphon is Talented, it will say next action will be Death Strike when waiting on Runes then swap to siphon once they're up (even when runes are death and not Frost/UH)

for Blood i mean

[solemn halo]

Probably doesnt have the death siphon logic at the bottom @random crystal

Need that above the death strike look ahead check

[random crystal]

I think that is something Fonsas added before adding it to the default rotation. Id rather it be showing nothing then a 3 second look ahaid that is wrong.

[random crystal]

Rotation Manager > Import

Try that , its the new rotation with snapshot fleshed out. Its good for 1-3 targets and 4+ it just manages dots on them, it wont do a full AOE rotation though for 4+.. Thats in the works and still being cooked.

[slow escarp]

Yep, that was me. Ill add siphon to the logic

[slow escarp]

checkout this very simplistic line addition for siphon prediction

or NAG:IsKnown(108196) and ((NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) ) or (NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy)) or (NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy)) or (NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy))) and ((NAG:AuraIsActive(49028) and NAG:CurrentHealthPercent() > 0.5 and (function() local base, pos = select(1, UnitAttackPower("player")); local ap = (base and pos) and (base + pos) or 0; local wd = NAG:WeaponDamage() or 0; return (NAG:AuraIsActive(53386) and ap >= 7.07 * wd - 55147) or (not NAG:AuraIsActive(53386) and ap >= 10.1808 * wd - 79351.68) end)())) and NAG:Cast(108196, 10)

[random crystal]

yea i think that is why i didnt have it added

I tried a variation but couldnt get it to work out correctly so i ended up scrapping it

[slow escarp]

the last 4 lines look like:

--check if you may get enough RP for a rune strike before runes
or (NAG:CurrentRunicPower() >= 20 and not NAG:IsReadySpell(108196) and NAG:CurrentRunicPower() < 30 and NAG:Cast(56815, 10, 'RIGHT'))

-- check if the next rune available is blood, use death strike if it is
or (((((NAG:RuneCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost)) and (NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost))) or ((NAG:RuneCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost)) and (NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost))) or ((NAG:RuneCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy)) and (NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy))) or ((NAG:RuneCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy)) and (NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) < NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy))))) and NAG:Cast(55050, 10))

Check if the next rune available is death and if you meet the conditions to Siphon
or NAG:IsKnown(108196) and ((NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) ) or (NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy)) or (NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy)) or (NAG:CurrentRuneDeath(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightFrost) and NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotRightUnholy) <= NAG:RuneSlotCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneSlot.SlotLeftUnholy))) and ((NAG:AuraIsActive(49028) and NAG:CurrentHealthPercent() > 0.5 and (function() local base, pos = select(1, UnitAttackPower("player")); local ap = (base and pos) and (base + pos) or 0; local wd = NAG:WeaponDamage() or 0; return (NAG:AuraIsActive(53386) and ap >= 7.07 * wd - 55147) or (not NAG:AuraIsActive(53386) and ap >= 10.1808 * wd - 79351.68) end)())) and NAG:Cast(108196, 10)

--fall back to DS
or NAG:Cast(49998, 10)```

should these siphon conditions be ok?

besides all the rune checks

[random crystal]

"-- check if the next rune available is blood, use death strike if it is" Heart Strike 🙂

[random crystal]

Yea should be good enough. Could add a HP threshold to it as well to align with the other death siphon calls. NAG:CurrentHealthPercent() > 0.5

[slow escarp]

i just tested, almost there, but not quite

[slow escarp]

yes! correct

[slow escarp]

this one does it.
however, siphon is one of those spells that have overlay naturally bugged by blizzard

it will not show a count down like DS does

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo just seen the video! Very cool mate

However, do we use pillar before outbreak or outbreak into pillar into RD?

I normally cast pillar while running into the boss and then outbreak for stronger deseases, is that right?

On the other hand, does your WA of plague leech and BT means to press any of those when are highlighted?

Thanks for the video. That was white helpful

[solemn halo]

snapping blood plague is such a small benefit, and you might even plague leech in the opener

if you need runes

raise dead doesnt snap anymore

thats why its in pre pull

so that its up and attacking already when you hit pillar

I will make another in depth rotation video in future

[lament bluff]

That’s clear

[lament bluff]

Why shall we use plague leech in the opener?

[solemn halo]

gets it on CD quickly and gives you runes

its not really a loss to drop blood plague

[lament bluff]

Hmmmm I see

I will pay attention to the NAG if it suggests PL at the beginning but I’m 99% sure it’s not?

Also reaching 12 charges of BT, does it necessarily means we must consume at this moment?

Sorry for the questions

[solemn halo]

if youre about to frost strike yes

but if you are using HB or Oblit then its okay

Im also working on the PL logic

im just saying you CAN use it in the opener

but the 25% strength to blood plague is kind of minor, and what would be more benefit is 1 more GCD of Howling Blast

I just thought of that tbh

[lament bluff]

Makes sense

I’ll take my notes

[turbid wyvern]

is it just me or is frost and blood getting all the LOVE here, what about us UH pumpers where is our love !

[solemn halo]

Whats wrong with UH the NAG should work fantastic already

If nobody gives feedback I assume its perfect

[turbid wyvern]

It’s perfect
Don’t get me wrong
Just looks like the love is for master frost lol
Just UH fan for life !

[solemn halo]

Thats because I play frost

I just know unholy too

Same reason you wont see rogue updates, I dont play it, just waiting for someone to tell me something is wrong or give a suggestion

They all have aoe already

Was easy to implement

[lament bluff]

What other classes do you play apart from FDK? 🌚

[solemn halo]

None right now I havent decided for mop

Thinking mistweaver monk

I have 2 maybe 3 frost dks ill play tho

[lament bluff]

Ill play ret and fdk because of the accuracy and how polished is the NAG for those classes tbh

I will only have time for GDKP twice a week

[solemn halo]

My pally is only lvl 29

[lament bluff]

My daughter is coming end of month so…

Still in belly

MAAAAYBE I’ll also play enha

Because Jeb is a master too

And I don’t play blood because I don’t have a clue about tanking

And UH…meh for me

[solemn halo]

The nag works very well for UH

[lament bluff]

Yeah I’m sure eh

But I like more the FDK play-stile

And I think it will scale better that the UH

Not in P1 ofc

[lament bluff]

Well…what can I say

Shall I give it a try?

[lament bluff]

This is purely following NAG? Omg…

[solemn halo]

Its not frost ofc

[solemn halo]

Yes

[lament bluff]

I only share the 99 with you on Yor

[solemn halo]

I was never in guild runs on DK in DS

[lament bluff]

Me neither

Just gdkp

Mines

But this is not pre-patch

[solemn halo]

Oh ya mine weren't pre patch either

But the nag for mop is just as polished

[solemn halo]

How did you manage that 100 on morchok

Thats pretty sweet

[lament bluff]

Staying in vortex

And keep dpsing

[solemn halo]

Oh you did that before everyone did lol

[lament bluff]

Yes kinda

Hahaha

I was rank 2 after that fight lol

Many months ago

[lament bluff]

Guys, is the NAG working properly while levelling? It appears and it suggests something but…

[slow escarp]

what spec?

blood works perfectly

why would you level any other spec

[lament bluff]

because sometimes im dps in dung hahaha

nah im doing as blood

[slow escarp]

the other 2 i really doubt would be as good as blood

blood is really flexible atm

[random crystal]

Just as a heads up, the blood rotation is still a very old rotation thats pre-loaded in NAG even on the latest beta release. v5.0.6-beta6 .

[slow escarp]

oh no thats just me never changing the date

but last i changed is was "16/07/2025",

will send another push

i mean, last time i changed the date

[random crystal]

Can you add the DPS / AOE auto select rotation based on targets in range?

I jumped on beta last night to test some dungeon stuff , and had to manually import those two.

[slow escarp]

oh yeah these are in

in my version

i thought we had sent it

sorry

[lament bluff]

hello @solemn halo . Ive been reading the sims APL and it triggers PL at the very beginning after casting PS. However, Ive been replicating the same rotations as per the sims and I dont see that early PL suggestion. Am I correct?

[solemn halo]

Yea i was talking about PL in opener before

I still have to fix nag

But im not home for a week

[lament bluff]

enjoy your days off

[chrome ivy]

Hey is there a way on live servers to set the addon to auto select or a way to switch between aoe and single target

[random crystal]

If you are playing blood, and on the most recent beta version v5.0.6-beta7 from 7/19, then it will auto change between two rotations based on the number of targets within 8 yards. It switches to AOE at 4 or more. When you you kill a few mobs and get to 1-3 targets, it switches back to DPS rotation.

[solemn halo]

Are you on 2h

Or unholy

[slow escarp]

soon AOE will have its own set of frames

so you can fully opt in between switching rotations in the same frame or showing them individually

[lament bluff]

I have just read in the DKs discord that we can macro BT into FS?

[slow escarp]

just keep in mind that sometimes you want to sit on stacks to push in a burst window

[lament bluff]

Yeah true. Maybe the normal BT and a macroed one in case BT+ FS is more efficient out of burst windows

[chrome ivy]

Unholy

[solemn halo]

Aoe hasn't been implemented yet , but its coming soon

[devout tundra]

2H Frost - running into a situation where its locked on frost strike at 19 RP

[solemn halo]

I thought i put a 20rp limit...
Will fix Sunday

Blizz api broken and thinks you can cast it

[slow escarp]

yeah its annoying. thats a BLIZZ bug!!

we has several hardcoded fix

[hazy lantern]

I cant wait to see this update. Very excited. Btw NAG is amazing yall do gods work.

[lament bluff]

@solemn halo hey dude. Did you finally add PL during the opener?

I still don’t see recommended from early

[solemn halo]

Im still not home until sunday

And im very busy leveling/grinding gear

[lament bluff]

It’s okay !

[fierce cosmos]

Hello, I haven't tried yet, but should NAG prioritize using a blood tap to get a soul reaper?

[night urchin]

If u don’t otherwise have any runes for it, yes

[fierce cosmos]

Is there another condition ? I don't feel like it does or maybe I'm doing something wrong? (frost)

[night urchin]

ST or AoE?

And r u sure u have 5+ blood tap charges?

[fierce cosmos]

ST and yes

since I do it manually

[night urchin]

Is KM active?

No that should be below still

Hmm then @solemn halo worth checking the above out I guess

[fierce cosmos]

Also on pure aoe scenario should it recommend some blood tap for more hb?

[solemn halo]

Yea there's a bunch to look into when im home sunday

[lament bluff]

hey! death syphon is never suggested in the blood NAG

[solemn halo]

theres a threshold to where you want to cast it based on AP

you dont cast it yet

[lament bluff]

oh I see,,,

okay so its because my gear/ap

[viral hedge]

<@&1375693464267915344> found the display bug ya guys were seeing, was leftover from the WA days when y'all had special load needs sorry! 😦 be fixed on curse shortly

[fierce cosmos]

Will you update the dk rotation before the raid Darkfrog ? Just to know if I have to adapt myself for the bloodtap -> soul reaper

[solemn halo]

i swear thats already in there ill check

it is in there

also theres an issue with the t15 set bonus but thats a non problem right now so im leaving it

[fierce cosmos]

So whenever I have Soul reaper up and 5 runes or more it should show me blood tap?

[solemn halo]

if you have no runes and need to soul reaper and you have 5 or more charges

if you already have runes then it wont show since you dont need to press it

[fierce cosmos]

Yes of course, it'll show me soul reaper directly

Also, should I use it on aoe scenarios ? it shows on AoE whenever a mob I target is low enough

[solemn halo]

yea for sure

the haste buff is worth it if anything

[fierce cosmos]

Ah yeah true, even if the monster is like deleted in 4 seconds?

[solemn halo]

yea

depends on the number of targets though

have to weigh in the HB costs but if theyre all about to die I send a SR

[fierce cosmos]

I only tried on big pulls like dried waste farm and it always show soul reaper no matter what

[solemn halo]

id have to sim it but thats pretty impossible to sim a dying target

[fierce cosmos]

I usually try to weave one then as many HB as possible

[solemn halo]

should be fine

[fierce cosmos]

And I probably didn't checked right for the blood tap thing but I was sure that I saw some scenario where I had to manually press it but maybe I was just too fast

[fierce cosmos]

In the first situation is ask me to FS because I've high amount of Runic Power ? (Soul Reaper isn't on CD) and the other one because of KM ?

[solemn halo]

It looks like it

Is that 8 stacks of blood charge

Dont care for the ui

[fierce cosmos]

Yes

[night urchin]

what's the timer next to BT? to the right?

[fierce cosmos]

SR availability

[solemn halo]

In that case of 88 rp it should technically not care about capping

[fierce cosmos]

either CD or either refresh

[solemn halo]

But the timer is rune cooldown

[fierce cosmos]

Yes, but it also shows by rune refresh

like if my rune is coming in 3sec then the timer is 3 sec, whatever if i used it or not

[solemn halo]

Something might be up with your UI and you actually have 89 RP

Or APL is off by 1 RP

[fierce cosmos]

so 89 prio over SR ?

[solemn halo]

Yea thats exactly rune CD

[solemn halo]

Yes because using SR will generate 12 RP

[fierce cosmos]

Oh alright so not overcapping is more worth

[solemn halo]

Yes

[fierce cosmos]

KM too?

[solemn halo]

You might benefit from going to wowsims and reading the APL if you can understand it

Yes using KM is prio

[fierce cosmos]

Oh alright, that's why

[night urchin]

SR isn't like for UH where it just blows everything out of the water also

[solemn halo]

Its only 50% mastery not 100

So it dropped down in prio again

Still a boost, but not enough to care

[fierce cosmos]

Wb here?

better for first pic *

[night urchin]

2nd pic mob prob dies in sub 5s but first pic ya would make sense to BT and SR there if its off CD and just waiting for runes

[fierce cosmos]

Even sub 5 wouldn't show because of the haste buff you get ?

[night urchin]

on that I'm not sure

[fierce cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkR4rTw4FzA

[solemn halo]

Might be a bug with blood tap then because my APL logic says it should show

Its showing sometimes tho?

[fierce cosmos]

Well not really sure honestly, I had more this "oh weird it doesn't show" rather than "cool it show"

[solemn halo]

Its showing for me

[fierce cosmos]

But that's hard to test with KM prio and stuff

[solemn halo]

But im not watching super close

Would have to re watch my stream and slow it down

[fierce cosmos]

Honestly it's fine, I do that manichally. Well it'll be more harder with KM / runic power to check now but yeah

[solemn halo]

Ye but if its wrong be nice to fix it

[fierce cosmos]

Of course, it'll be perfect with that 🙂
Speaking of Blood tap, should I strictly follow nag on heavy AoE scenarios, or basically HB / FS as much as possible and BT for more HB ?

[solemn halo]

Its not set up for BT aoe

I can do that too

[lament bluff]

that would be nice ye

also the PL suggestion at the beginning after pull

[solemn halo]

Idk why youre not seeing that, im 100% seeing it

Or what was the issue

I forgot

[fierce cosmos]

@solemn halo don't you wanted soul reaper on middle ? or on the side is fine ? since it's top prio under 35 if no km / 89

[solemn halo]

It should be middle

Try a reload

[fierce cosmos]

not on newest versions

[lament bluff]

Correct. Is no longer in the middle

[solemn halo]

I didnt make any changes

The spell locations got messed up

[fierce cosmos]

yes fonsas changed a lot of things

[fierce cosmos]

#1397786977511673958 message

[solemn halo]

Soul reaper is only optional in aoe

If fonsas made the change idk

Id change it back

[lament bluff]

The spell locations for the retri were messed up as well

[fierce cosmos]

Would you officialy change it on the rotation or we have to do it manually?

[solemn halo]

Idk @slow escarp was that an intentional change

Can compromise and change spell locations based on aoe or single target

Why are people chatting about that in that thread anyway lol

[fierce cosmos]

Lol it was my sort of "issue talking" thread so I also asked about this

[slow escarp]

I moved it to the right, yes.
Can move it back and check the opitional AOE/right thing. If thats there then we good

[solemn halo]

masterfrost and 2h aoe rework coming soon anyway

[ashen iron]

why is there no NAG for dks?

[solemn halo]

Its in core, dont need a separate pack

[solemn halo]

By soon I mean after raid so dont get too hyped

[fierce cosmos]

Of course, could you share what version of NAG you were playing on, please ? Since your spells location sounded quite right (unless you've rearranged everything manually)

[solemn halo]

i havent touched anything

i can't figure out why you guys are having trouble

[fierce cosmos]

it's fine now with latest update

just doesn't show macro keybind but that's fine

[fierce cosmos]

Work pretty good now, just sometimes I'm not seeing BT for SR but that's probably bcs of KM / 89 or something I do wrong

[lament bluff]

Hey I have a question about AoE for masterfrog

Apart from suggesting DnD, is the BT and PL also optimised in order to suggest more HB?

Maybe I have asked an inaccurate question

Sorry in advance

Apart from the rime/KM windows that is clear what to use

Out of those windows I mean

If the AoE implemented tries to exhaust using HB as much as it can be

[solemn halo]

coming in the new update sometime

PL isnt in there for aoe I forgot ill act do that rq

[lament bluff]

That’s a greate news man

Glad it’ll come soon

[fierce cosmos]

Do you know if there's a possibility to have a WA tracking SR cooldown only and not the one refreshing with runes?

[lament bluff]

I use Merfin’s class packs

[fierce cosmos]

It does that ? Fojji also track rune refresh

[lament bluff]

Yes, it does

[night urchin]

R u tracking the dot from SR? If so, when that goes away u know its about to be ready again, but that also means another icon so idk if thats the solution you want

[fierce cosmos]

That's indeed a good idea

Something maybe that glow when it's active on the target, replacing the cooldown

Is there any dummy that lose life ._.

[night urchin]

Smart idea for sure

[fierce cosmos]

I'm bad at making those I have to find a way

[fierce cosmos]

That being said, the dot only stay for 4 sec no?

[night urchin]

5s

And 6s CD

So if u were going to for example BT to SR, once the dot goes away if u have no runes u can just hit BT and spam ur SR button

[fierce cosmos]

It tracks the dot on my plater but that's not usually where my eyes at since I have a 36% reminder

[fierce cosmos]

There's something I'm not understanding well about the APL, (I took the screenshot a bit later but it was the same case at 2-3 sec refresh on HB)

Why in this scenario wouldn't it recommend me using blood tap to get an HB faster ? Wrong rune disposition or something ?

or here

[solemn halo]

so you would only want to use blood tap in that situation if you had pillar active

athough

you have KM active

it should definitely be showing

[lament bluff]

Yeah he is right

Something wrong

[solemn halo]

I might have to change it to death runes or something, stupid blood vs death situation is super annoying

[quick echo]

just starting blood dk is the blood dk nag working well?

[fierce cosmos]

Yeah it appear like that quite often, I obviously still press blood tap since waiting 4 sec is the end of my fight but I wasn't sure it was the right thing to do

Seems to be the same with horn, it appear quite a lot even if I have ressources to bypass one

[solemn halo]

Thats not a bad thing to have horn recommended though

[fierce cosmos]

No obviously not, I had 12 on 5:30 fight, which seems fine apparently from what I'm comparing to Eri/exdeekay and you

[solemn halo]

HOPEFULLY in the next update I solved this

the current update requires a function that fonsas has not included yet

so its waiting for that

regarding time to reach execute

in the meantime try this

[median wigeon]

Quick question : i played Uh with nag in raid today and on every bosses, when you should be using soul reaper, nag doesnt show the icon. It Just keeps telling to do the "normal rotation"?

[solemn halo]

@fierce cosmos @lament bluff

[solemn halo]

thats interesting, it should definitely be showing

I would rollback right now to an earlier version

the newest one has some kinks

[fierce cosmos]

Thanks for your time

I have to reload sometimes on newest because it shows HB on the left

[solemn halo]

yea thats a NAG spell locations issue that should hopefully get fixed soon

[lament bluff]

Thank you @fierce cosmos @solemn halo

Let me try this

Let’s test it @fierce cosmos 🤙🏼

[lament bluff]

im using this version btw. Shall I roll back to another one/more stabilized?

[solemn halo]

idk the state of things atm

[lament bluff]

Me neither

But seemed all more stable some time ago

Now it feels like we go back and forth

[fierce cosmos]

The beta 4 with frost update pushed the rotation you send us or not?

[solemn halo]

I think it somehow didnt get in

use that

[fierce cosmos]

Ty

[lament bluff]

what additions has this one compared to the current one from the release?

[solemn halo]

the current one is not updated from previous at all

at least it wasnt for me

didnt make it in somehow lol

[solemn halo]

huh

it works for me

[fierce cosmos]

what version are u on?

[solemn halo]

latest beta (4)

[fierce cosmos]

Ah works with this one (the latest you sent)

[lament bluff]

should I be in beta 4 to work with this one? im currently on release 5.5.3. quick fix

[solemn halo]

yes

[fierce cosmos]

is that your addition ? gloves/racial

[solemn halo]

those should have alwasy been showing nice to know its fixed

[lament bluff]

based on this, I have macroed pillar + gloves and RD + racial

so if I press pillar, gloves disspear?

[solemn halo]

yes

[lament bluff]

and if I press RD, racial disspaear?

[solemn halo]

you can remove the icons too

[lament bluff]

good

updating to beta 4 then

[solemn halo]

well no option to remove racial

[lament bluff]

I wish the gloves are shown for the retri as well

[solemn halo]

there should be

[lament bluff]

thats the main problem we are having

no gloves are shown

even though are part of the spell location list

enable trinket slot means, lessons for the darkmaster icon will be displayed?

just an example

[fierce cosmos]

Where is that ? couldn't find it

[fierce cosmos]

Oh okay it was unchecked

battle potion would show.. ?

[lament bluff]

in case it shows, I assume it will show like a pre pot and at 20-25% missing boss health?

are there any other improvement mr Frog?

apart from the gloves display etc etc

[solemn halo]

Im bad at changelogs

i just make changes

[fierce cosmos]

Wait do I need to have them checked or unchecked to not show?

Since both show them anyway

[solemn halo]

oh

SHOULD be checked to show

i dont see it on mine tho

only when checked

[fierce cosmos]

hm

[lament bluff]

Hahahahah

King

[solemn halo]

mainly a time to execute function for soul reaper, blood tap/plague leech/erw for AOE

[fierce cosmos]

Ah it switched back to masterfrog after a reload

[solemn halo]

oh an hopefully a blood tap fix for other scenarios

[fierce cosmos]

I'll try on a dummy rn for blood tap

[lament bluff]

Great

That was basically what I had in mind…

BT/PL optimisation for AoE to send more HB, ERW and soul reaper stuff

Now I’m debating if I switch to orc from troll or not