MoP DK

[solemn halo]

Thats my theory

[slow escarp]

Hmmmm

[solemn halo]

As for ERW I didn't listen to the full messages but basically, using it during a burst window (spine tendon/hagara or zonozz increased damage) is best and in that case you use it when you run out of a global

[slow escarp]

Ill have to debug all the general trinket tracking functions exactly as they are in these checks

I dont have the top tier trinkets myself

[solemn halo]

Yea the apl is a little confusing but its trying to encompass all trinkets in their checks

[slow escarp]

But if the apl is using general trinket instructions it should work

Ye

[solemn halo]

Maybe its best to super relax ERW and then it's up to the user to press it when they want

But idk why it not showing at all

You fixed the blood rune thing

[pearl snow]

is there a rotation that needs to be copied in or is the rotation native with the updated NAG you're posting? I'm not getting outbreak Snapshotting on mine from your latest

[slow escarp]

they are native.
what trinkets are you using? do you see a pop up when you unequip and equip them back?

[slow escarp]

try this one please, will send in 5

frost with updated outbreak and ERW

for the sake of saving the APL

[lament bluff]

Thanks man. I will test tomorrow morning

Thank you all guys for the effort

I’m soooo hyped to try WW monk

😵

[slow escarp]

thats why so much effort now, we cant carry on bugs, we need it all polished

so that we transition into mop as smooth as possible

[lament bluff]

Yeah no pain no gain 🤙🏼

[naive portal]

Tested this one with a /nag reset and still no outbreak was recomended with a 180s encounter timer, re-equipped both trinkets and all and got everything up and didnt told me to refresh

[slow escarp]

I didnt change outbreak yet, that one had ewr fixed for frost

I'm debugging all snapshot functions atm

[naive portal]

ngl didnt read the msgs, just saw the .zip and tested it right away :p ignore my comment then lol

[lament bluff]

Still no ERW

I have to take a look at runes and press it manually to avoid being stucked with the timer

[slow escarp]

Ill relax it a bit more soon, then.
We experiment ignoring uh runes entirety

[lament bluff]

when I say "still no ERW" is always with +30M damage on dummy

so that I assume the ERW call condition has never been met?

[slow escarp]

Yeah, its never being met

You're always having something to do

[lament bluff]

But what about the timer windows? Better to press ERW and keep going right?

There are not many wait timers but o believe it might be worth

[solemn halo]

it exists

I mean, ERW is very valuable, and you shouldnt need to press it early

You either use your own judgement and send it on a burst window, or

wait for the recommendation

unfortunately the NAG cant see burst windows

the truth is

it just took me a very long time to run out of something to press

@lament bluff

raise dead snapshotting working great too

[solemn halo]

tbh current implementation as I just tested is perfect, we are just at a point in game where we hardly don't have anything to press

maybe relaxing it based on TTD is an option

like, if its gonna die soon, send it with your trinkets and CD's

[sick vortex]

So we should delete the WA and use only the NAG addon now? Or is it still in testing? [masterfrost btw].

[lament bluff]

Thing is Dark, in my case I have never seen ERW as a recommendation

[lament bluff]

Yes that is perfect

[solemn halo]

I just used the NAG he posted and tested

try checking which rotation you have selected

[lament bluff]

I hacent checked the rotation to be honest

[solemn halo]

You can for just Masterfrost yea

[lament bluff]

I’m currently using the last one pushed to curse

[solemn halo]

don't think that includes this fix

thats just the public release

[lament bluff]

I also tested in this version

And no suggestion after 30M damage

Maybe I’m doing something wrong

But I haven’t pasted the APL code

I just installed NAG (3)

[lament bluff]

Can you please share the version you are currently testing on?

[solemn halo]

#1347562324269207624 message

[lament bluff]

I will install this back again

Outbreak was working fine

But strange…maybe I was using a different rotation?

[sick vortex]

Then… If we want a stable version, we should stick with the WA for masterfrost?

[solemn halo]

Masterfrost is stable

unholy is not stable

blood might be?

although, the only issue at the moment for unholy is outbreak

[sick vortex]

Blood DPS you mean, correct?

[solemn halo]

and tank

[sick vortex]

And to be clear, the Curse one is not current and we should use the 4.1.1 version in Core-NAG?

Actually, the curse is v4.1.1

[solemn halo]

yea but its also not the same RC

I believe the last version Fonsas sent has some masterfrost improvements

[sick vortex]

Ok. Where is that version as it’s not in the NAG channel?

[solemn halo]

#1347561798009753621 message

[sick vortex]

The .zip file “NAG (3)”? What is the .json file for?

Not meaning to be difficult, just challenging to keep up with the changes and requirements for this.

Also, do we need to delete the previous version of addon + saved variables prior to installing this version?

[naive portal]

and aoe 👀

[solemn halo]

well thats not an issue its just not in there atm

just cast more HB and ignore oblits

[solemn halo]

sorry thats the NAG addon itself

just drop it into your addons folder

replace all

[sick vortex]

Rgr that. How will we know when this is updated? Obvi Curse client isn’t going to show it. And the TOC still shows as v 4.1.1. 🤷

[solemn halo]

4.1.1 but different RC they're not the same

[sick vortex]

So will this be pushed to Curse or will a final be pushed vs the RC?

[solemn halo]

Eventually but idk when

[sick vortex]

Ok, @solemn halo, deleted the WA, deleted the previous version of addon and installed the one from the link in this channel. No NAG icons show. I went into the options and un-ticked the radio boxes for Use WA Bar and resources. Still nothing.

I also tried the reset all, no delta. Still no rotation icons.

If I toggle EDIT mode, they sort of show up.

[solemn halo]

Enable debug

[sick vortex]

Now I have to regen / enter my key.

[sick vortex]

Seems to be working. Why is Debug mode required? Also, I believe it was already mentioned, but ERW isn't being suggested. Not really necessary as I weave it in for burst, but it was being shown before. FYI

[solemn halo]

So it doesn't interfere with the weak aura

ERW does show but it has more strict requirements

[sick vortex]

I’ll check it more closely later during raid and respond back. Perhaps it won’t fire on a dummy.

And I do not have a WA installed. But it certainly doesn’t load without debug enabled.

I also had to untick the radio buttons for the ‘use wa …’ in the settings.

[solemn halo]

#1347561798009753621 message

It was 100% showing for me

Thats all I know

[sick vortex]

Is this expected behavior from NAG addon in debug mode?

My chat log has a very long scroll from NAG.

[solemn halo]

Yea thats expected

[slow escarp]

as masterfrost,its safe to delete the WA and run the addon

[slow escarp]

uh is all fine, we are missing outbreak snapshot, but other than that all good. I am working on all snapshot functions atm. But nothing a WA pack to the side cant supply/help with the outbreak snapshotting, im updating the DK wa pack that works with this new built-in dk changes

[slow escarp]

blood is fine too, afaik!

[slow escarp]

not an official release yet

we will make it official like later today/tomorrow

new WA pack that goes with the built-in DK changes is

[slow escarp]

i was working hard to have this out this weekend

[rare wadi]

This is a WA to go with .....which version of NAG where?

[slow escarp]

then i tripped and hut my left foot so bad i couldnt put it down for 2 days

[slow escarp]

any of the most updated ones, the cursor version is updated too

curse*

just enable debug

we will remove the debug requirement soon

[rare wadi]

Oh ok, I thought you were trying to build it all into one NAG now

[slow escarp]

we are, the WA is just bells and whistles

not mandatory

[rare wadi]

oh ok so the Curse version is good for MF and Blood at least and the WA is for extraneous stuff

I seem to recall Blood using a lot of blood boil...is that right?

like...a lot

Not working

I deleted the old WA I had that did work, installed the new WA and now nothing at all

NAG is in debug mode

[slow escarp]

thats the only case it should use BB

[slow escarp]

what spec/talents have you got?

[rare wadi]

whatever wowhead says to take

[slow escarp]

but for what spec?

[rare wadi]

BLood

[slow escarp]

ok let me try blood again 1 min

[rare wadi]

the WA isn't working either btw

now I have no NAG window

[slow escarp]

i literally just respecd

it insta shows

[rare wadi]

shrug

[slow escarp]

hahah have you deleted the old WA?

[rare wadi]

All I did was delete my good one, installed the new one and nada

[slow escarp]

have you reloaded after enabling debug?

[rare wadi]

no, let me do that

[slow escarp]

oh there

it needs a reload

try the blood boil things for me

plz

[rare wadi]

So, with the WA I have a suggestion half option and then the NAG appears to be the rotation?

hrm, it looks like you intend the WA to be attached to the NAG rotation. When I deleted the WA and reloaded it, the options show at the end of the NAG, but move separately

[unique estuary]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[rare wadi]

This is the NAG and WA by default

[slow escarp]

yes! i just fixed the name being behind the icon

to move it just open /nag

[unique estuary]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[slow escarp]

unlock frame position and move it around

[rare wadi]

ah okay, that works. The WA allows the option to be moved without the NAG - confused me for a moment

[unique estuary]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[rare wadi]

I'm not getting any BB recommendations now at all

This should recommend one here, yeah?

Golemblood the recommended potions for blood as well? Its recommending that

This also might be a bit nitpicky, but is there a way to remove the Next Action text of the WA right behind the NAG rotation at the top. It's a tad ddistracting to me eyes with it on the top border

[unique estuary]

You need to either alt click or open the /nag options and drag it around from there.
If you need further assistance, contact a mod/dev.

[rare wadi]

Blood also isn't recommending casting Bone Shield up before going into combat

[slow escarp]

if thats on dummy it might bug the fight length checks

[slow escarp]

ok removed this

[slow escarp]

@solemn halo @lament bluff this might do the trick.

[solemn halo]

I had ERW working perfectly last night

So idk why others had issues

[lament bluff]

Which rotation ?

[solemn halo]

Default masterfrost

[lament bluff]

testing it again rn with the NAG (2)

all correct right @solemn halo

"masterfrost (1)"

I just realized that berserking is not there but only blood fury

[solemn halo]

I don't think racials were fixed

Just macro it to raise dead

Thats the wrong rotation though

[lament bluff]

I dont know why it appears this one

[solemn halo]

Click rotation manager

[solemn halo]

Experimental masterfrost

[lament bluff]

2nd one from the list right?

[solemn halo]

Yes

[lament bluff]

definitely the problem was the rotation

now ir clearly calls ERW

BUT, why Raise Dead is on the left by default?

before combat I mean

this experimental one is the latest one?

or shall I test again with other rotation?

I thought raise dead suggestion only appears when trinkets are up?

that is, with 10x Eye of unmaking charges?

[solemn halo]

probably due to timer

it will go away when you hit the boss

[sick vortex]

What bells and whistles? Will that be integrated as well or will the WA be needed for those?

[solemn halo]

Bells and whistles are the WA.
The base rotation is the NAG

Don't need the weak aura

Its just trackers

[sick vortex]

So I need this WA with the NAG addon then? I'm confused.

[solemn halo]

Its not necessary just an added benefit

[sick vortex]

And also, it does not go away post-boss pull.

Dungeon, yeah. But still...

[solemn halo]

Thats interesting

It was going away for me in raid and on target dummy

[sick vortex]

It did not in raid for me last night either, and wanted to verify I wasn't being mental.

NAG addon only, btw.

Debug enabled (even tho no WA)

[solemn halo]

Which rotation you have selected

[sick vortex]

I didn't select one. I am spec'd Masterfrost in this case.

Am I supposed to?

[solemn halo]

You might be defaulted on the wrong one somehow?

[sick vortex]

And with a pull timer, the NAG doesn't change. Which is odd to me as it did before.

Which should I be on? Where is that?

[solemn halo]

There's isn't any pre pull added as far as I know

[sick vortex]

WA version. Apologies for being obtuse

[solemn halo]

But if you go to the class tab and then go to rotation manager

[sick vortex]

Is this something documented somewhere?

[solemn halo]

Hmm okay so that is the right one

Why is my raise dead working and yours not

[sick vortex]

Dunno

[solemn halo]

Oh

You got some blood spells there

[sick vortex]

And fwiw, that was consistent behavior in that dungeon. I just snapped the first boss

[solemn halo]

Try a reload

[sick vortex]

I can. But I have already. And blood spells?

[solemn halo]

In the background I see blood spells

[sick vortex]

7 / 31 / 3 Frost spec

[solemn halo]

I'm guessing you were spec to blood and swapped without a reload

[sick vortex]

Negative.

[solemn halo]

Why is this showing blood spells

[sick vortex]

You mean in the SS I sent yes??

[solemn halo]

Yes

[sick vortex]

Sweet Diff screen now

Standby

[solemn halo]

Yea that makes more sense lol

See if raise dead works now

[sick vortex]

So we need to swap spec, reload, check if the shit is right, then reload again if not?

It is there now

[solemn halo]

I'm not sure I havent encountered this before

[sick vortex]

and my Pillar as well

I have had a challenging time since moving away from the WA. I know there will be growing pains, but to be honest, I'd rather stay on a know good build and transition to the next qual build rather than a release candidate. lol

[solemn halo]

This should be stable lol

@slow escarp @viral hedge some bug to look into, not sure how to replicate it

[sick vortex]

As someone who did SW dev for a hot minute, RC is not, by definition, stable. 😄

Maybe something with ElvUI?

[solemn halo]

I use elvui

[sick vortex]

Hrm

I have Fojji's for raid, Plater, other common addons as tank

[solemn halo]

The only change in the RC one is the raise dead fix

I have all those addons too

[sick vortex]

ok, I am cool testing this on my alt DK. Not as thrilled on my main in prog.

[solemn halo]

Im confident the reload fixed it

[sick vortex]

ok, tried it 7 times on my alt DK, 4 on my main: upon a spec shift, you need to do a /reload as well. I only had it not work once.

That said, why is a reload needed upon a spec shift? Sometimes people get antsy and pull while you are relaoding. Then everything is jacked due to being in combat.

' reloading

Also, why is Raise Dead at the first recommended action pre-pull? I expect a pot and pillar, but RD?

[solemn halo]

I expect thats something to do with the timers, since if you haven't started the encounter it would be at 0?

I wonder if we can fix that

[solemn halo]

This might be an addon limitation

I wish I could be more help, I just make the rotations and find bugs

[sick vortex]

I feel if it were an addon limitation, other classes would be experiencing it. Has it been standard to /reload after a spec change for the others using the addon?

[solemn halo]

I believe so, on rogue it was an issue as well

But I have no issues sometimes too

[sick vortex]

That's... unfortunate. WA does not have that behavior. Strange.

[solemn halo]

Like on feral i can swap aoe and single target in combat and it works fine

Theres got to be something not being detected on a swap I couldn't tell you what

[sick vortex]

Swap spec in combat?

[solemn halo]

Swap rotations

[sick vortex]

Is there a function / setting to switch rotations?

[solemn halo]

There is

• feat: added rotation cycling
  • next/prev through hotkeys
  • /nag rotation next, /nag rotation prev, /nag rotation rotation name, /nag rotation

Not very useful for masterfrost unless I add an AOE part but also should just build that into the standard rotation

I havent gotten around to it yet

Need to sim options, but most likely skip oblits/plague strikes and replace with DnD and more HB

[hazy notch]

@viral hedge -- minor UI glitch - when you open the window to copy out the import string; the window keeps getting wider each time you open it 😄

[sick vortex]

Will check this tomorrow. But that seems... Super extra.

[solemn halo]

It was useful for druid when I was tanking dungeons

The rotation changes a lot

[slow escarp]

i see that too! idk what sorcery is this, i will try to debug it

even out of battle this is telling us all snapshot conditions are true

however when you manually check them

what the actual fuck

AHA got it

https://tenor.com/view/wile-e-coyote-thinking-idea-pacing-pace-gif-22065734

@sick vortex

try this one!

[sick vortex]

Will try it tomorrow and let you know!!

And I super appreciate Wile E! 😁

[lament bluff]

This is not happening in the NAG (3). Raise dead was only showing only at the right time to press it

[lament bluff]

I tested this. Despite raise dead is no longer showing up before pull and first snapshot seems to be fine, then the subsequent raise dead snapshots does not seems to be smooth. In addition, plague strike is haaaaardly ever suggested. It feels like this rotation is still looking into the 2pc T12

[lament bluff]

this NAG version seems to be more stable in my opinion

[slow escarp]

I didn't touch plague strike logic at all. Was not calling PS wrong, tho? Afaik if you're not dropping diseases you prio oblits

[slow escarp]

What do you mean about the subsequent RD not being as smooth? I mean they technically aren't by nature, as stuff/cds tend to desync from the start of the battle

I'm 100% willing to polish, I just need to understand what and where

Not trying to be defensive

[lament bluff]

yeah I know man!

[lament bluff]

this is by far the best one IMO

just tested again +20m fight

almost 50M damage

averaging +4k more dps than other versions

I noted all the numbers

ERW perfect

Raise dead perfect except for showing up before pull but I dont think this is a mayor issue...

PS is more often recommended

maybe im wrong u know

im just a randon person testing things

[slow escarp]

it might be due to the new encounter simulation tool? do you see the new pop up window when you target a dummy?

that triggers a fight simulation for the length preset there

when youre over the timer (when it reaches zero) you enter the 'boss is about to die' mode

hence why no PS past that time

[viral hedge]

think i see the issue(or an issue at least), /run NAG:RefreshConfig() fixes the spellLocations after spec swap. I prob missing a call to update the config

[viral hedge]

is that just due to it being in the prepull? if ya remove it from there it go away?

[rare wadi]

@slow escarp I don't think blood is working right with the new NAG release. It doesn't recommend bone shield up front, or at all ever like the previous WA did. Also, its not recommending any Rune Strikes at all for me on target dummies as well no BB at all even with procs on it

[rare wadi]

It's not recommending DRW either

[viral hedge]

which ya using? defensive or damage?

think only dmg even has it in the apl. not seeing the spellLocation for it so assume it's not there at least 🙂 heh

[rare wadi]

Umm

Just blood

lol

thats what tanks use

[viral hedge]

ah, i might not have fonsas most updated in mine lol

[rare wadi]

you mean the WA?

[viral hedge]

ignore me then 😛

nah, addon

[rare wadi]

The WA string in the new NAG points to a full rotation manager

Fonsas apparently has a newer, slimmer WA to pair with this new NAG

[viral hedge]

ya, he removed the 'innards' left the burst trackers/guitar hero i imagine?

and is using the internal apl's using the addon now, what they been updating based on the wowsim apl's

[rare wadi]

But as far as the actual blood rotation goes, at least practicing on target dummies, its not recommending Rune Strike, DRW or Blood Boil

[viral hedge]

kk @slow escarp thing then and @solemn halo been working on them i think 🙂

[rare wadi]

MasterFrost seems okay

Might want to sync up his new WA and the string in the new NAG from the button though

[solemn halo]

It might be something related to spellKnown in the APL, i was messing with it but then I got distracted and now I'm laying down cuz I'm sick

[viral hedge]

ya not sure he updated that when he modified it. might just be in the beta version if anything on curse?

[rare wadi]

Well get to feeling better man.

[viral hedge]

the beta one has all the most recent

that he'd pushed i believe

[rare wadi]

I think I'll just disable the NAG for now and use the old WA as it seems to be better

[viral hedge]

feel better man

[solemn halo]

Masterfrost is better in NAG, blood needs work yet

[viral hedge]

i know frost/unholy were being worked on first, so ya blood wa might be best still

should be able to /nag disable too

i need to add char toggles in to load

[rare wadi]

Ya, MF was ahead by ~a K or few K dps as I used dummies

[viral hedge]

disable will stop all the timers, frames, etc etc etc @rare wadi will need to do it i think just each session. i hope not each reload don't think it work like that lol

[rare wadi]

yeah I think each logon I would have to disable as I've had to do it in the past working with the WA

[viral hedge]

ya, i try to get a char lvl toggle in 'soon'

😉

but that should be easy lol, i think i had it then it got lost somewhere at some point

i know fonsas made a few changes to how dk loaded from how i had it, so i think both now load ya?

[rare wadi]

It might be beside the point once you can sync up the new WA and blood gets a little more work if the NAG is going to end up doing the heavy lifting going forward

[viral hedge]

ya, i think that's his plan. def using addon make going forward into mop and beyond much easier, least on him 🤣

[rare wadi]

Curse NAG = no WA

[viral hedge]

i just gotta fix/add the rest of the stuffs lol

ya, the beta i pushed on curse has everything most updated atm

[rare wadi]

you have to click the button in the NAG and the one it recommends is an old full fledge rotation, not just resources

[viral hedge]

other than few things in my local

ahh, ya i don't htink he updated that

i'll go find the one he posted and replace that in the beta

tx

but ya i know he was most recently updating UH apl and tweaking the dk fn's and assume would hit blood next
I need to add some toggles in and rewrite a few things to allow some 'better' functionlality that should allow things to coincide a bit better with the wa functionality for dk and continue to use the apl's as an easy way to update the rotyations etc

we've both tried to make ingame editors... both sucked too much i think to release 😛 but plan be to allow easier editing in game too, toggle certain lines etc off kinda crap w/visuals/tooltips and all that fun stuff

workijng on getting core that exists all at 100 though first before reaching futher out 🙂 my rewrite was massive so things got way changed from the OG nag from 6 month ago lol

get more options into burst tracker, so we can rid of the WA totally

add a 'guitar hero' tracker into nag

etc etc 🙂 lol

[rare wadi]

make that an option

[viral hedge]

the GH?

[rare wadi]

personally, I don't prefer GH

[viral hedge]

o ya, i never personally used them lol

[rare wadi]

I like the single window recommendation with options on the sides for utility as is

[viral hedge]

everythiyng is a ace module pretty much, so all are just an enable settiong from being off/on. i trying to make everything modular and shit so easy to expand on things w/o causing extra overhead etc

[rare wadi]

modular is always good

[viral hedge]

ya, my OG was just a wa made into addon when i had no clue... i learned a little now lol

[rare wadi]

not too much though. Apple does well b/c they make people operate within their ecosystem how Apple wants lol

[viral hedge]

ya, i ain't no steve wozniak though

🤣

[rare wadi]

not too many of us are lol

[viral hedge]

lol

[rare wadi]

I just work here

[lament bluff]

yes, it shows

[viral hedge]

the ace framework just seemed like a good 'thing' to use i prob still not using it totally right. i know my options a bit wonky still lol

anyways ya, so if he can find it imagine fonsas and dark when they get better will get some more blood updates. i'll find that wa add that into the curse beta, and umm o ya see bout the char toggle to load/not addon

[bold spoke]

Having issues with rotation manager import, I create my own APL copy but can not import the text anywhere. The photos in the guide are different now.

[rare wadi]

Maybe this one I think?
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[viral hedge]

@rare wadi which version on curse ya using?

i got this from the wa in the develop, which i think is on the curse beta atm

i make sure it the one ya pointed to though

[lament bluff]

@viral hedge hey man, how can I change the reamining time to 300s?

[viral hedge]

on debug page

should change time

[viral hedge]

click "Rotation Manager"

[rare wadi]

4.1.1

[viral hedge]

@rare wadi sorry, meant beta or release

the beta has the updates. click version tab install latest beta

can right click and change to always use beta if ya want, i try not to push crap there 😛 but can manually select in versions

[rare wadi]

version tab in NAG?

[viral hedge]

curse

you use cursefoge? or diff

if so, ya can just click the install on most recent beta

[rare wadi]

oh ok let me look

[lament bluff]

it doesnt

[viral hedge]

@lament bluff doesn't change after starting combat?

mine did

[lament bluff]

ah no no, I was expecting to change it before

intead of still showing 180

[viral hedge]

ya, think it just not constant updating it till it starts

[lament bluff]

ok good

[viral hedge]

easy to fix, it a debug tool though really heh

[viral hedge]

ya, just click install on the 4.2 beta 🙂

numbers are just really meaningless... lot of those were just me figuring out how to automate the releases from github to curse 😛

so i had to keep incrementing to test lol

now it's automated though from repo to curse(i haven't figured out wago/wowinterface yet so i'lkl have to remember to update them)

[naive portal]

pls make it optional lol

just catching up the convo

[viral hedge]

<@&1257964466910527538> If you want the most recent internal updates. Install Beta 'Version' off curse 🙂 Can swap release to beta to keep it updating those as we push them as well.
I have automated the curse pushes direct from github so those hopefully be more up-to-date and don't have the NAG.ZIP sneaking out with experimental features enabled still 😛

[lament bluff]

@slow escarp man, all good now. The only very small thing is I experienced some lag

[viral hedge]

ya, as i said. it's all modular. so everything will be made to be optional and configurable to ppl's liking as much as easily done

i never used the gh/burst trackers myself. i just know some ppl like options 🙂

[viral hedge]

where/when?

frame lag? or like ability lag lol

[naive portal]

ye ikik, i was just catching up I havent been able to test lately, for some reason isp has been a pia

[viral hedge]

oof, that crazy sorry 😦

[lament bluff]

ability lag

[rare wadi]

@slow escarp @solemn halo Blood seems a bit better with the beta version of NAG. It's recommending some Rune Strikes now and the newest WA Fonsas has for utility is recommedning Outbreak/DRW/HoW 👍 .
However, it's still not recommending blood boil at all even with procs.

[naive portal]

Testing a lil of the rc.1 (from curse) is that the latest or should i go for the beta instead?

[sick vortex]

Question: Why is the NAG recommending RD before Outbreak? Like always.

Prepull and during encounter.

[solemn halo]

Check which rotation you have selected

[sick vortex]

I did. It is MF, and I verified that the NAG showed it as well

[solemn halo]

It shouldn't be showing up during encounter

Maybe try a newer version, fonsas did a fix earlier today

[sick vortex]

Y'all are killing me with all the beta builds.

[solemn halo]

#1347561798009753621 message

Oh he sent you that earlier today

It was working before and idk what happened to break it

[sick vortex]

Yeah. That is the one I am using

[solemn halo]

And its still broke?

[sick vortex]

Yerp

[solemn halo]

Ugh I can't even begin to imagine what's causing that

Everything works one day and the next its all gone to shit

Give me a moment I'll send you the version I'm using and see if that works?

Its working for me

[sick vortex]

Dunno dawg. Too much in one tool?

Regardless. Deleted settings and addon, no WA, restarted, and that behavior. It's as fresh as I can make it.

About to bounce for the night but will try tomorrow morning.

I find it odd that I am the only one experiencing this. Or maybe the only one noticing it?

[viral hedge]

wonder if one of @slow escarp updates didn't make it into the develop branch he had put into one of his he posted? I merged em all afaik.

just pushed a new one, again with most recent dev branch

[solemn halo]

The one I linked might show it before combat but it wasn't showing during for me

Until it was supposed to

[naive portal]

using the rc1 and getting the cancel aura on narnia, its on my end or a known bug?

[slow escarp]

whare have you tested? if in a dummy and past the fight duration limit it will enter the 'fight is a bout to end' mode and that does not make you use , as thats not optimal. Its intentional.
If you give it a try on dungeons/bosses or see this hapening within the encounter simulation time window where the simulated boss HP is like above 20%, then thats a bug. otherwise its as intended!

[slow escarp]

are you using the beta version from curse?

[sick vortex]

I was using the file you linked me last night.

[slow escarp]

i didnt think i sent the fix here

[sick vortex]

IDK if it’s beta on curse not.

[slow escarp]

i sent it straight to curse

1 sec

[sick vortex]

This one.

[slow escarp]

its going to be the oficial release soon, but all you have to do is right click then release type to beta, then right click again and reinstall

let me double check the beta and see if i pushed the fix correctly, 1 min

yeah its there

[slow escarp]

see if this fixes for you!

[rare wadi]

I'm using the test dummy in stormwind. I wouldn't know anything about timers or limts. I just target it and go

[sick vortex]

See if what fixes it for me? Beta version on Curse?

Is this confirmed better than the WA I was using for months?

[slow escarp]

yes, way much better at this point

[slow escarp]

if youre using the new version you will see a 'Encounter Simulation' window pop up when you target the dummy.
thats the way we have to test execute phases and stuff that depends on target HP to show/function

under /nag > debug you can scroll this up all the way to 5 min

multiple rotations (not just DKs) adapt themselves to target HP. Blood for instance has these coded. So if the boss is about to die you just send the most damage ability

when the encounter timer ends the simulated boss is sitting at 0% hp and the fight is in a perpetual 'omg, the boss is about to die' mode

[rare wadi]

I did see that window this time. So go into the NAG and raise it to 5m?

yeah, I dunno man....I put the timer all the way up, still no blood boil recommendations

[naive portal]

Have we talked on how to use the trinket registration? Like if its necesary or no, why is telling me to re-register everytime i swap or what to actually set as 'trinket stat' if it is the effect or the actuall stat and what happens if i reforge it?

also is not detecting icds afaik

[naive portal]

if its the actual stat, what happens with EoU

(that it throws an error saying you need to pick a stat and then it bugs out on retry showing a blank view instead of the ‘detecting buffs for x’)

[slow escarp]

alright let me debug that a bit closer, will get back to you with some fallback alternatives to make sure this happens

[slow escarp]

let me take a look at this after fixing blood

[slow escarp]

@rare wadi this should have a backup to secure blood boils is shown when in proper gaps

[viral hedge]

you and your bootleg releases 😛 🤣

on curse now rc3 beta
fixed 'Legacy' Talents check

[slow escarp]

this is on new curse beta now

[slow escarp]

this would be a trinket with 0 ICD and of strength type

[slow escarp]

we use trinket information when calculating the snapshot functions. its used on anything that relates to a snapshot, but on cases like the trinket you showed, i believe they have to deliberately specify in the APL we would be waiting for 10 stacks (i guess)

im working on all these functions atm

including the trinket registration

we hardcoded most trinkets already

but in case you equip something not in the dataset, it asks for you to register yourself

anyway, give me a few more days

i have to debug it all

[rare wadi]

@viral hedge I'm so confused here lol. Is the NAG Fonsas posted with a blood boil fix the live updated NAG on curse or do I need to download another beta version

I think I have the latest?

[viral hedge]

Everything afaik he's posted has been merged into the develop branch which is on curse beta

Ya. Shouldnbe good

[rare wadi]

My head is spinning with all these versions lol

[viral hedge]

I try to get him to use the correct one 😂

Mine too bud... Lol mine too 😂

[rare wadi]

@slow escarp This seems better. There are times when it calls for a DS and runes aren't available for it however....the swiping circular action is done indicating runes should be available, but they are not.

[slow escarp]

thats most likely a blizzard issue. we fetch those directly from blizzard.
can you record yourself so we can try to pinpoint when this happens? its easier to see

[solemn halo]

finally got some Blood DPS ready for testing

[rare wadi]

What do I do with this string?

@solemn halo

I assume it's an import into the NAG somewhere

[solemn halo]

In rotation manager

Should be an import button at the top

[rare wadi]

Got it, how do I make it the primary/active one?

[solemn halo]

On the right side there, the select button

Its already selected

If there's any rotation specific issues direct them to me (I was going off of Ryani's video for ultraxion but may have misinterpreted some stuff)

Any wrong behaviours direct to fonsas or rakizi

[rare wadi]

Seems okay off hand

Still a little dead time on the DS's and no runes sometimes

[solemn halo]

Yea nothing can fix that except more haste

Or you mean showing fake death strikes

That might be the blizzard thing fonsas mentioned

[naive portal]

Im comparing against the dmg default one, is not suggesting ghoul is that ok? is prio'ing HS over DS or did i do something wonky cuz i finished with 36 HS, 26 DS & 31 RS against the default one 35DS, 30HS aand is it ok to have BB taking prio over other things (i might have seen it wrong and i didnt have anything else but a crimson scourge proc)

all those numbers is following the encounter sim that pops when targeting a dummy

[solemn halo]

Its not suggesting ghoul? I def saw it

[naive portal]

is there a way to quick check the condition to pop it? cuz it didnt on either of two tests

[solemn halo]

It either when everything procs or when a proc is about to expire

You might not have a proc trinket

[naive portal]

word, ill test again

[solemn halo]

In which case you can send it whenever iirc, maybe I should put a fallen crusader check in

Its not as big as frost due to no pillar

[naive portal]

Yeah, did another test, got everything up and no ghoul

im using rc2, i dont think it has to do with version but idk

[solemn halo]

It shouldn't as long as it has fonsas trinket stuff in there

I'll add some fallen crusader check later

[solemn halo]

this includes more checks for raise dead

[sick vortex]

What is this for? I tried pasting the link into import and nothing added to WA's.

Also, I swapped to my DPS set and I was prompted to add Vessel of Acc. O.o No clue if I did it correctly. Hit a dummy until I had 5 stacks, exited combat, and continued. shrug

[solemn halo]

i pasted the wrong one

[solemn halo]

its not a weak aura its a rotation, gotta click rotation manager and import in there

[sick vortex]

ok. I swear Fonsa said there was a WA for "bells and whistles". Whatever those are.

*looks for the readme file

And why am I importing a WA for the rotation manager? I don't understand.

Is that dynamically updated?

[sick vortex]

This message:
" [20:54:27] [Fonsas] whispers: Hey there! Don't forget to import the new DK WeakAura 'DK Next Action Guide (comp) - by Fonsas' for the best experience! You can find it under /nag > Class > Import WeakAura. "

@solemn halo

[solemn halo]

Oh there is but thats not what I'm posting

If you click the import weak aura it will show you a code you have to copy

Then insert that into the weak aura addon input

@sick vortex

[sick vortex]

Yep, I did that. 100% nothing happened / changed in my WA's.

[solemn halo]

It should have an import thing pop up and tell you what's different

[sick vortex]

Negative.

I tried this on two accounts, both DK's. One FDK and one BDK.

Well. Current spec was anyway.

[solemn halo]

Try ctrl-a to select the whole string just in case it's not properly selected?

[sick vortex]

Yeah, affirm. did that

Also checked for an extra space at the end.

To confirm: I should paste that into the WA <import> string, yes?

[solemn halo]

Yes

It must be a broken link idk

[sick vortex]

Then yeah. Doesn't work for me.

FYI

On two diff accounts.

[solemn halo]

@slow escarp @viral hedge

[sick vortex]

And why tf am I asked multiple times to register the same trinket on gear swaps?

.<

[solemn halo]

A bug fonsas was fixing

[sick vortex]

ok

[slow escarp]

This is the new WA pack with all trackers, no rotation logic. It has a dimilar name than the old one

[slow escarp]

That is being worked on! Its buggy I know

[slow escarp]

It works, it just look identical to the old one. It indeed is the old one minus all the rotation it had

[sick vortex]

Nothing is shown in my WA list. So I’m unsure how it could be working.

[slow escarp]

Wait, have you imported the string nag gives you? If yes, what spec are you?

[sick vortex]

Affirm. Masterfrost spec.

[slow escarp]

MF should have just the ghoul tracker it had before, not a big deal. but it should load anyway

this is the string btw

[sick vortex]

What name does it import as in WA’s? Nothing under Fonsas. Will try again tonight when I’m home.

[sick vortex]

For whatever reason, the import worked this time.

[tulip nymph]

I have a question.
After I hit the reset button, the icons for DK and PALADIN, which I’m subscribed to, disappeared—so I re-entered the keys.
Now, only the PALADIN icon shows up, but the DK icon still isn’t appearing and doesn’t seem to be working.
Can you help me out?

[sick vortex]

FWIW, this happens every time I shift gear sets, regardless of spec. Also repeatable on two diff accounts, both DK's.

[slow escarp]

Let me dm you

[slow escarp]

Thanks!
Something broke the registration

Im working on this atm

[viral hedge]

that was me actually, i left a test line in there i noticed. and was unavailable all day yesterday. I'll get that resolved today on curse sorry!

[viral hedge]

sorry @slow escarp! 😉

[viral hedge]

@sick vortex most recent rc stop the prompting?

@slow escarp @solemn halo Whats the status most recent dk stuff. sorry haven't been following. It out of "RC" status for nausican? 🙂

[sick vortex]

Still a thing.

[solemn halo]

I havent had much feedback on blood but unholy and frost are working great

Blood theoretically great

[sick vortex]

Nah, rotation sseems fine, haven't had a chance to raid with new version.

Constantly prompted for trinket regsitration to improve...

• registration

And just shifting from DPS set to Tank set and back it pops up again. Even tho the settings are already in the NAG window.

It also only asks for the trinket in slot 14. If I swap the trinkets in slot 13 & 14, then 14 gets triggered to register. This time my heart of rage.

Same behavior on 2nd account.

Also, I do not have "Item Suggestions" ticked.

Trying to provide info for y'all to figure it out.

[sick vortex]

@solemn halo @slow escarp in case you miss these messages.

[viral hedge]

i coulda swore i noticed that too lol. We take another look. 110% appreciate feedback though

[viral hedge]

@sick vortex Hey, mind doing me a favor if you got 2 minutes? Can you open the Interface/Addons/NAG/NAG.lua file, and look at line 75 or so and see if it says EXPERIMENTAL_FEATURES = false not true? just to make sure that not somehow not getting changed correct? it should be

[viral hedge]

hrm, ya my bad still.... stupid script. Lemme poke again and see why that not getting changed. I push one with a manual edit now!

[sick vortex]

Confirmed, my lua file has the same code.

[sick vortex]

Pulling the new one and trying that.

Ok, that function is now essentially disabled as even if I select it in the option, no trinkets pop up for registration. Unsure if that was your intent or not.

[viral hedge]

hrm, lol no that wasn't lemme check sorry. been focusing on something else and prob making assumptions again. might need to recheck what i did. I did try to add some tooltip parsing back into fonsas stuff so i prob broke something he did 🙂

i take a look today and see if i can find it. i know he's a little busy with weekend duties atm

definitely not a project manager i would make 🤣 i all over the place 😛

more coffeeee and i take another look

[solemn halo]

@viral hedge its doing this over and over constantly

[viral hedge]

hrm, okie. lucky most ppl don't have debug on? lol

i take a looksie though lol

just trying to get something to eat, been a day lol

always realize as the hunger pangs hit and i go shit i haven't eaten today lol

[sick vortex]

Wait what? I thought we needed debug enabled. Did that req change?

[viral hedge]

Debug msgs, ya confusing sometimes. 😂

The enable debug checkbox was needed to enable the internal version at one point. That's gone now. Can keep log.lvl at error still though @sick vortex

I'm bout to pass out, so just tossed food in oven to eat something so I don't. But I just trying to get the gir workflow fixed now and I'll push the release to curse

[sick vortex]

Another question: how do we know to update the Masterfrost WA (for example) since it's in the NAG addon now?

[viral hedge]

the internal one 'should' just be a shortcut, wago should be getting updated still. I'll try round them up and push them now, was waiting on the release not beta and forgot 🙂 so thx

[sick vortex]

I mean, it is a string to copy / paste. Is that not the intent? Seems an odd place, tbh. Any time the addon and WA has an update, that addon must get an update.

[viral hedge]

Ya it was just intended as easy access mainly for the test versions when don't really want ppl with non beta updating wa

@sick vortex

[slow escarp]

the WA in the addon is just bars/trackers for all 3 specs. For frost it has just that right ghoul snapshotter atm

but i intend to add more

[lament bluff]

@slow escarp are we safe now updating the NAG trough curse right mate? In case this is the latest version at the moment

[slow escarp]

yes!

[lament bluff]

Cool

[slow escarp]

it is the latest

we will have more betas coming out soon too

with more improvementss

[lament bluff]

Mostly dedicated to unholy and blood right? So MF should be OK with the version from curse

[slow escarp]

yes!

[lament bluff]

Great stuff guys. Thank you all

[tame ether]

No need for debug anymore right?

[rare wadi]

@slow escarp Were you all still working on blood? I used it last night in a dungeon for a while and it very rarely suggested blood boil. Also, its still suggesting DS without runes being available for it for a second or two. I would expect the circular shadow swipe while it waits for runes to refresh to use it.

[slow escarp]

Yes im working on it!
But keep in mind these are all ST rotations and Blood boil has its proper place in the prio list, it wont ask you to send it as soon as possible nor as frequent as possible.

Is the DS without runes you're saying the 'what to press next' logic when youre waiting for runes? It has abtimer in it no?
Can you record that so i understand what you mean?

[slow escarp]

No need!

[rare wadi]

It's basically the next suggested action, which is fine. However, as an example, when I'm using MF, it has a circular swiping action as the GCD or next rune becomes available to actually use it. That is not happening in some cases where DS is the next recommended action and no runes available for it.

[slow escarp]

Oki, understood! i will try to replicate that and see how it looks on my end! Thanks.

[sick vortex]

Question for the big brain's here: I use the Wago companion to upkeep many of my WA's, and DK NAG showed up today. *Happy to see that!

My question is are we able to 'update' vs 'create a copy'?

[slow escarp]

it does work, but it only updates what you have. (doesnt do a fresh install)
WAs with code are known to bug when you dont delete and import again

its a thing they have for a good while now

its not like they bug everytime too, only when something meaningful changes

[slow escarp]

<@&1075064309534691469> <@&1039584892209594500> would you guys mind testing the snapshot functions in this version.
i mean. if you can test both frost and unholy, please so.
otherwise, test obliterate outbreak (thanks darkfrog), summon gargoyle, raise dead snapshots

major updates, want to make sure i didnt break anything

[solemn halo]

And outbreak ^

[rare wadi]

Should it work on Target dummies properly?

[slow escarp]

yes

wait i will send another one for frost

shit i keep finding upgrades everywhere

[rare wadi]

Yeah I only do Frost and blood on my DK

[slow escarp]

Frost updated too

@rare wadi

[solemn halo]

Need to update raise dead a little on frost too to anticipate upcoming trinket/cooldowns so you don't send it early too

Something like wait up to 30s depending on TTD

[rare wadi]

I mean, I just throw PoF, Gloves and then Raise Dead. I don't try to line up trinkets - it's just too hard

[rare wadi]

The new NAG seems to be good. It's less Oblits than the current version, which seems okay since I thought there were an excessive amount of Oblits in the current version

HoW seems to be recommended more, I assume to build RP.

I never really understood the half raise dead icon to the right of the main NAG. It will sometimes have a tracking arrow on the right side of it sliding down from the top...I assume this is to point a window of opportunity to use it at a peak time?

[solemn halo]

Correct

[solemn halo]

That trinket could be a decent chunk of dps but the new nag will pop up raise dead at the optimal time for you

[rare wadi]

Yeah I hear you about the trinkets. I read it all the time about rogues getting PVP trinkets and trying to pop them before combat, etc

That's just not me. When the countdown hits zero I just go and do my thing

I don't have enough focus and weak auras and what not to keep up with what trinket procs when and what the ICD of it is

[solemn halo]

You want to oblit with KM as much as possible, will look into behaviour here as this seems strange

[slow escarp]

fixed a bug with golemblood pot not being tracked correctly

[lament bluff]

guys, been away for some days. For frost, do we need the WA now? is it needed to track the raise dead snap?

because I can see raise dead icon on the left already withouth WA...I assume its the same, when it shows up on the left, its supposed to be the right time to snapshot it

[solemn halo]

Weak aura is not needed, its helpful for snapshotting but if you follow the NAG calls youre good (depending on boss though you may want to save it)

[slow escarp]

i intend to add more trackers, but no mandatory need. i can remove my whispers in future versions

[lament bluff]

That was it. Thanks

[mossy viper]

In the old WA we only ever saw the death coil prompt when we had runic power for it, but I’m finding the icon appears in the nag version when there’s no runic power. Is this intentional?

[slow escarp]

Did you have the free DC buff?

The icon has so many layers of checks that its virtually impossible to show when it cant be casted, unless hard-coded

[mossy viper]

Pretty sure the icon was there, I was hitting the button and nothing was happening, looked at main action bar and it was greyed out and runic power was empty. I’ll try to capture in game if it continues to happen and post screenshot here.

[slow escarp]

Thats weird. Try a /nag reset all

See if it persists

[radiant nexus]

something similar happening to me, cant see the runeblade icon even if i have the RP

[solemn halo]

Because you have runes to cast death strike which is a higher priority

[radiant nexus]

it nevers procs anyway, even if i have full runes used

[solemn halo]

Oh you're talking drw I saw from the other pic

[solemn halo]

That will only show with fallen crusader proc in base APL

[radiant nexus]

all runes and bigger CDs

even crusader activated

[solemn halo]

Hmm might be an issue since there's a check for "aura known" (basically checking if you have the rune equipped)

That will have to be adjusted

[radiant nexus]

im not sure if this is important,

since the change, im kinda confused

https://tenor.com/view/waluigi-sad-super-smash-bros-ultimate-wah-gif-11605196823861176959

[solemn halo]

The weak aura just has trackers, it's not necessary

[radiant nexus]

then no idea why im not getting the proc available :c

[solemn halo]

Needs an APL fix I can do that when I get home today

[radiant nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-cooking-kitchen-fire-hot-gif-17241904593596478119

thank u boss!

[rare wadi]

Is it just me or is this latest NAG Fonsas provided recommending lots of Oblits? I'm getting fights where it seems like I'm getting 3-4 in a row sometimes

[solemn halo]

check your KM procs during those oblits could be getting real lucky

[rare wadi]

What is going on with RD here??? So many RD icons lol

I'm so confused

It seems like it REALLY wants me to use RD here

[rare wadi]

I'll check KM procs for it. I guess with versions of the older WA it wasn't suggesting near as many

[tame ether]

Pot and use rd, if not use howling blast

[rare wadi]

Why the RD icon to the right and then another even further to the right?

Yeah the potion is something I was mentioning to Rakizi it would be nice to turn off. I know when I want to use my potions and it's annoying seeing it there

[solemn halo]

It just means it's "optimal" if you were to use it (though I think it might need tweaking as it's up far too often)

As for raise dead the far right is the weak aura tracker

Well both of the right ones are

Tbh if you don't care about that just disable weak aura for frost

I do all the tracking myself personally

[lament bluff]

I’m my opinion, WA for frost is adding no value but confusing people. As the guys said, ia not needed at all. RD snapshot is more than enough with the NAG only.

And yes, I agree the potion suggestion is bugging sometime

Every player should know when to pop the potion

[solemn halo]

It should only pop in execute to be honest when boss is below 35% HP

Or when time is less than 25s

[lament bluff]

Yes, this is what is doing

It was just my personal thought

[slow escarp]

hhahahahah i guess i will just remove the RD tracker bar for frost.

then you will be left with 2 RD only

[rare wadi]

Honestly I'm not sure which is for what. I'm guessing the left one is what it's suggesting I should press right then? And the right one is a tracker and the furthest one right is another tracker?

[slow escarp]

the one furtherst to the right is the tracker. the other two are within the nag addon itself

it really wants you to use it

but if you can see, you have a buff about to expire

so it went send it, omfg, send it mode

[rare wadi]

With that tracking arrow on the right huh

[slow escarp]

oh nono, the two to the right are both from the tracker

[rare wadi]

Well I meant the arrow on the furthest one to the right it sits on the right side of the icon

[slow escarp]

yes!

[rare wadi]

It usually runs from top to bottom

[slow escarp]

yes!

[slow escarp]

yes, thats a snapshot tracker

for your next expiring major buff

[rare wadi]

That makes sense. I'm trying to determine if it makes more sense to have the NAG one or the WA one on the right hand side

I get now that the left icon wants you to send it and the furthest right with the tracking arrow is telling you an optimal time to send it

Too funny. That was all coming up while I was trying to kill tendons for Zonozz trash

[short meadow]

In the old WA we could also see the seconds of the diseases. Is this possible in the NAG version and I haven't found the setting yet?

and I noticed that plague strike is sometimes proposed later after the disease has expired and before that an oblit is already suggested (which makes less DMG without plague strike I guess)

[solemn halo]

Yea the one on the left gives you a 3 second window to use it

[solemn halo]

The oblit showing might be some bug thats odd, normally it would wait until you have 2 unholy runes to reapply plague strike

[slow escarp]

a video would be great ! so we know where to polish or if it was the right call

[short meadow]

my mistake, had not yet installed the latest version 😅 Runs perfectly now.

What about the seconds of diseases that were displayed in the old WA? Are they implemented in the NAG or not?

[slow escarp]

i can get that in, yes!

[sick vortex]

@slow escarp Heya sir, this is what I was referring to about updating with WA addon. I have the WA companion, which then will allow me to either update or make a copy of the revised WA. I also use Fojji packs and most times we are able to do an update unless there is a significant re-write / update.

[solemn halo]

You should be able to update the new weak auras no issue, but if you're transitioning to the NAG I suggest a full re install

[sick vortex]

Rgr that. I suspect at this stage very insignificant changes are needed. Until MoP at least. lol Thanx!

[lament bluff]

Was this fixed already mr frog?

Now I have time to test stuff

Shall I test something in specific?

[solemn halo]

I havent looked into it but I dont believe it's wrong behavior

Was going to do some stuff tomorrow

[lament bluff]

ah cool

🙂

[slow escarp]

@solemn halo included AOE rotation for masterfrost + some blood fixes
<@&1075064309534691469> <@&1075065000927957032>
I really wanted you guys to test overall. I changed several core parts in the code to make predictions more responsive and accurate.

will be on curse beta soon

[mossy viper]

Getting "You don't have the required role to use this command" when trying to generate a new key after installing the latest Shaman/DK release and doing a 'nag reset all'

[slow escarp]

youre missing your core sub role. do you know where did you sub for these? so i can double check

[mossy viper]

Ahh I took out the core originally through Patreon before class packs were a thing. Recently cancelled it thinking I had the core + classes pack in Tebex, but looks like the latter is class pack only. I've just done the core sub via Tebex too.

[unique estuary]

If you need to cancel your sub, please visit https://checkout.tebex.io/payment-history
They should send you an email with a link to manage all your subscriptions.

[rare wadi]

Will this fix blood issues where it wanted me to DS and no runes were available for it for days? lol

I mean, as I was saying thats okay, but I would expect the shadow swipe on the icon as runes become available

[slow escarp]

Please try! Idk atm. I haven't tested yet. Last time i did it had the swipe on my end.
I will try replicating again soonish

[quick echo]

is their supposed to be a different rotation for the masterfrost aoe or is just added into the already one there

[slow escarp]

its flexing into AOE / ST dependint on the nr of targets. its the same rotation as the default

[rare wadi]

Blood seems to be working better. The gaps with DS being recommended and no runes seems to be eliminated. There were a few small gaps with DS recommended and no runes, but it was short. Most of the time if there were no runes for an action, there was no icon to do anything at all.

[slow escarp]

there was no icon to do anything at all.
thats bad, we dont want that.
Im way to deep into the next next action predictions, but i promise to take a look at your reports as soon as im done.

[rare wadi]

Oh okay, I just assumed it was too far out in predictions to put something up. I didn't realize something should always be there even with a shadow swipe in

[solemn halo]

With basic APL there won't be, but there's a few extras that fonsas is adding per class to make some future predictions

[rare wadi]

After using it some more on Ultrax, I think the blood rot is worse actually. Many spots where there is no NAG icon at all and still spots where DS is recommended but it can't be used for 3-5 seconds at least -- oh and no shadow swipe for when it might be available

[slow escarp]

waiting 3-5s for DS is normal. When you got nothing to do is should fall back to check whats going to be next available. in the prio. Since we cant consume runic power at this point and we cant predict procs, whats left is waiting for runes. As blood you mostly use runes for either DS or , DS having the higher prio it will fall back to wait for it unless you have two blood runes schedules to be ready before DS is going to be castable.
However, you having empty predictions indicates that you are in the wrong rotation

because the last thinfg it falls back to is a DS wait with a 10 sec tolerance so you never ever get empty predictions

check /nag > class > rotation manager

is the default blood is not select it, go ahead and select it

if the default blood is indeed selected, try a /nag reset all

so we get that to its default state, no edits

when it comes to now showing the swipe, i will take a look. but we didnt program those. these are fetched directly from blizzard. And it looks like blizzard broke them recently

i havent experimented with that myself, idk if its related, but might be

[solemn halo]

Oh yea that one doesn't have predictions

It was just a dmg oriented one i cooked for ultraxion

The one below it should be good

[rare wadi]

I'll switch to the one below then and try that one out, but Ultrax is where I usually use Blood most of the time lately though hah

Where do the SIMs get our numbers from exactly? In my 403 ilvl gear, with all defaults for Frost, it has me at about 48k dps, but I can never reach anywhere close to that unless I'm doing some AoE shens.

Single target I'm doing about 38, 39k DPS on avg

[solemn halo]

Sim is perfect and fights aren't pure patchwerk with 100% uptime

[rare wadi]

@solemn halo did you ever get a chance to look at the blood dps rotation? Gotta admit I'm not as good at managing runes in blood for dps as I am just tanking

[solemn halo]

The default one should be good tbh

Notice anything strange?

I havent been blood on ultrax in a long time

@rare wadi

[rare wadi]

Deafault tank rot? or the last one here?

Oh, well I can't choose the last one anyhow

[solemn halo]

DeathKnight Blood - Damage

Blood DPS I cooked was just a side project but its a lot of work to cook an APL from scratch and Blood DPS wasn't high on my prio list lmao

[slow escarp]

<@&1039584892209594500> MoP Masterfrost first sketch added by @solemn halo !

[quick echo]

what the talents looking like for frost dk in mop

[random dome]

depends on what u like and whats needed on a boss to boss basis

[rough crescent]

On MOP Beta, Should my rotation list show Darkfrog's masterfrost when downloading that NAG? I only see 3 rotations all with Modified By "Unknown"

[solemn halo]

I dont think he updated the rotation by accident, just inserted the fixes i needed

All I have right now is the list view

((NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneDeath) == 0) and (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneFrost) == 0) and (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) == 0) and (NAG:NextRuneCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) >= 3.5) and (NAG:NextRuneCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneFrost) >= 3.5) and (NAG:NextRuneCooldown(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) >= 3.5) and (NAG:CurrentRunicPower() <= 30) and (NAG:CurrentTime() > 10.0)) and NAG:Cast(47568)
or (not NAG:DotIsActive(55095)) and NAG:Cast(49184)
or (((NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneFrost) == 0) or (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) == 0) or (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) == 0)) and (NAG:AuraNumStacks(114851) >= 11)) and NAG:Cast(45529)
or ((NAG:CurrentRunicPower() >= 89) or NAG:AuraIsActive(51124)) and NAG:Cast(49143)
or ((NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) == 2) or (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneFrost) == 2)) and NAG:Cast(49184)
or (NAG:IsExecutePhase(35) and NAG:Cast(114866))
or (((not NAG:DotIsActive(55078)) or (NAG:DotRemainingTime(55078) < 3)) and (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) >= 1)) and NAG:Cast(45462)
or NAG:AuraIsActive(59052) and NAG:Cast(49184)
or (NAG:CurrentRunicPower() >= 77) and NAG:Cast(49143)
or ((NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) >= 1) and (not NAG:AuraIsActive(51124))) and NAG:Cast(49020)
or NAG:Cast(49184)
or (((NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneFrost) == 0) or (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneBlood) == 0) or (NAG:CurrentRuneCount(NAG.Types.RuneType.RuneUnholy) == 0)) and (NAG:AuraNumStacks(114851) >= 5)) and NAG:Cast(45529)
or (NAG:CurrentRunicPower() >= 40) and NAG:Cast(49143)
or NAG:Cast(57330)
or ((NAG:DotRemainingTime(55078) < 3.0) and (NAG:DotIsActive(55078))) and NAG:Cast(123693)

[wheat rivet]

for masterfrost in beta do we wanna go 2 1h weapons or a 2h?

[solemn halo]

Masterfrost is never played with a 2h

This is because it require razorice

[wheat rivet]

gotcha

[solemn halo]

Also razorice goes in the offhand in MoP

[wheat rivet]

so razorice off and crusader main?

[solemn halo]

Yes

And 2h is actually good in beta as well (for single target)

[wheat rivet]

i was paroozing the ancient texts you posted and under glyphs it mentions 2 that are damage upgrades but only names loud horn

[solemn halo]

You also can't get them yet

They come in a later patch

[wheat rivet]

oh i see there are 3 i cant get

er 4

was trying to find them on glyphatuar

[solemn halo]

I'd recommend AMS, IBF, and death grip, idk not much use

The no taunt death grip, and gore fiends are the useful ones

[wheat rivet]

what about talents what would you suggest for masterfrost?

[solemn halo]

The ones in the guide

As for Blood tap vs RE vs RC theyre all pretty close

[wheat rivet]

im assuming RE for lazy blasting?

[solemn halo]

Getting suggested DC even though I don't have enough RP (in cata) and I swear it didn't do that before

[slow escarp]

It did

Blizzatd bug right there

Did I fix that for mop?

[solemn halo]

Don't think so, I'll just add RP requirements to the apl

Instead of hardcoding

[slow escarp]

Thats best. Idk how I would do otherwise without having to verify game version, glyphs, spec, and presence to get to a verdict

[solemn halo]

Ah yea ill have to add a presence thing too... like if in frost presence, RP = 20 for frost strike

Instead of assuming

[slow escarp]

it always gets wrong for 1 RP

its always when you have 19 but it thinks you have 20, or when you have 31 and it thinks you have 32

prob because the functions round up and down

you could just check if RP is not 19

or not 1 less of whatever it was supposed to have

[rare wadi]

Is PL going to be built into the NAG for MoP

[solemn halo]

For frost it already is

Unholy I haven't really had a chance to put it, its kind of complicated and needs sims to see the proper prio

For blood I don't know if its any good but I also have no idea where to put it

[rare wadi]

Well that works for me since I'm going to be playing Frost. I just saw where different talents were better for some bosses but overall PL was the better spend

[lament bluff]

I’ll be playing frost as well. But seems like blizzard didn’t touch it at all!

[rare wadi]

I get the feeling Blizzard doesn't like Frost

Or maybe there's just not enough of them to complain lol

[solemn halo]

Its not really in a bad spot

[slow escarp]

MoP DK

[unreal frost]

Hey, planning on rolling DK in MoP and have never played it before. What would be the best alliance race for DK? I will only be playing PVE and mainly DPS with frost/unholy.

I've seen that Worgen racial gives 1% crit (Viciousness) now in Cata. Does that follow into MoP?

Any advice about this would be appreciated. Thx

[slow escarp]

Hej Mr saturday! your best shot is to SIM them in https://www.wowsims.com/mop/
and/or carry out the discussion on #🟢｜unholy-not-retail #🔵｜frost-not-retail

[unreal frost]

Thanks for the hjälp!

[solemn halo]

Am aware of an issue with Blood Tap/Plague Leech

Had a busy night, will investigate in the morning

[left ridge]

Notes from playing with the Unholy NAG tonight:

• Prepull Army prompt?
• Horn of Winter prompting with runes available
• Festering Strike prompting to use on 2 death runes or with only death runes available
• Outbreak being suggested when it's a dps loss on snapshot and diseases aren't expiring
• D&D not currently being suggested on CD
• No plague leech prompts if talented (never tried unholy blight)

Army prompt pretty minor and prob not necessary unless you could get it to coincide with a pull timer

[solemn halo]

Snapshotting logic will take a bit of work

But the rest shouldn't be too hard

[left ridge]

Hell yeah

[solemn halo]

Theres a proper sim apl to work with now

[left ridge]

trueeeeee

[solemn halo]

Prepull was just not in because I didn't add it to the basic rotation lol

[left ridge]

ah lol

It is suggesting gary on pull though right now which is nice

[solemn halo]

Horn of winter is a weird one ill investigate

I think i just need to be strict with it

Dnd idk why its not showing, maybe I forgot to add it

And plague leech logic don't think i added either

Ill start with the new Diur apl and work from there

[left ridge]

actually, D&D might be fine

Think I only had issues with it when my nag was scuffed

[left ridge]

Yeah, it's fine, I'm a liar

[slow escarp]

there will be a module just for prepull stuff

it will come soon

[left ridge]

dope, hell yeah

[slow escarp]

it will slide upcoming casts in a guitar hero style

the rest i think dark frog is working on.
Just patched BT/Plague Leech

[left ridge]

Sweet!

[solemn halo]

@left ridge can you give this a go and let me know

oh nvm there are issues hehe

[solemn halo]

Ill let you know if fonsas doesnt when theyre fixed

[left ridge]

kk

Is the Frost NAG not prompting synapse springs?

[solemn halo]

it should be macro to pillar

kinda useless to have a prompt

would just be more bloat

[left ridge]

ah gotcha

makes sense

[left ridge]

Looks like the Frost NAG is prompting for plague leech with no dieseases on the boss on pull

[solemn halo]

hmmm, should have been fixed with a hard code by @slow escarp .

[left ridge]

🤷‍♂️

Also, idk if this is just different with the masterfrost rotation, but after using plague leech, it never prompts using outbreak to reup diseases

Only using plague strike?

And unless I'mt rippin, I don't think it always prompts for plague strike either

Or it does, it's just delayed, wants a HB first

[slow escarp]

should be there, just update to the latest alpha on curse

is it there? kekw

[left ridge]

If it was posted on wago.io, that's what I grabbed

[slow escarp]

let me send again just to be sure

im about to send updates to monks

[solemn halo]

outbreak is just a weird one

IDK why but on frost its barely a dps upgrade to even cast

thats the current apl for the sim not the nag but you can change it around or even delete it and have hardly a difference

This is the best implementation I found so far

I didnt add the no unholy rune to the sim APL though since I just found this

and it was only a 60dps increase lmao

[left ridge]

wtf

60 dps for outbreak? That's odd

Saves you a rune

[solemn halo]

yea I have no idea

Im trying to find a better way just dont see it yet

[slow escarp]

1 GCD, no damage, refreshing dieseases youre refreshing just for the sake of using the rune anyway.. doesnt sound all that weird.

@left ridge should be out in a few

i know this version has the hardocoded

[left ridge]

Hmm, still has PL on pull

[slow escarp]

on pull how?

the moment you start?

let me hop in

[left ridge]

before pull

Waiting to test with another pull here in a few

But yeah, shows PL prepull

[solemn halo]

I dont see it on curse

[left ridge]

Takes longer with curse I believe

It's showing on wago.io already

[solemn halo]

did he dm you one

oh wago

[left ridge]

nah

https://addons.wago.io/addons/nag/versions?stability=alpha

[solemn halo]

yes plague leech shows until you cast plague strike or outbreak

kinda funky

[slow escarp]

got it

let me patcha that rq

ok kekw, its gone

its just me getting conditional IFs all wrong

@left ridge there ya go, wago already has the newest alpha

@solemn halo now it worked. will fix rogues tomorrow

[solemn halo]

Unholy too?

[slow escarp]

what was it with uh?

kek sorry, im all over the place today

[solemn halo]

Um

Snapshotting built into the APL check

Info in https://discord.com/channels/963490632851132456/1282054236435255387

[slow escarp]

oh shit thats true

will do that now

i neeeeed sleeeeep

but i think its fast

[solemn halo]

Haha no worries, if it ends up being complicated just do it tomorrow

[naive portal]

quick question, which rotation is the latest/stable/better_for_my_lil_dmg_numbers for frost? (experimental or the other one?)

[rare wadi]

Do you have this little icon on your screen?

Click it and choose Masterfrost by Darkfrog

[slow escarp]

@naive portal @rare wadi until you toggle off by right clicking the N icon floating (rotation selector).. it should auto select rotations based on your weapon

if you go 2hand, it selects 2 hand

but the best is to go dw and masterfrost

[unreal frost]

Unholy or Frost for lvling in mop?

or just blast it with whatever

[slow escarp]

masterfrost

always aoeing, always blasting

always ready

no snapshotting shit