Use the Boone & Crockett and CIC Scoring Systems

[round nymph]

In real life, most hunters in North America follow the Boone & Crockett (B&C) scoring system when it comes to scoring big game.

For example, for deer, they are scored based on the width of their spread, length of each point and main beam, the girth of their antler bases, etcetera.

I would highly recommend looking into the B&C scoring system, as it would definitely help the game immensely.

Older games like theHunter Classic and Deer Hunter: The 2005 Season use the B&C scoring system, so why shouldn’t a newer game use it?

Additionally, the CIC Trophy Evaluation system seems to be the popular method in Europe, so it would also make sense to incorporate this as well when it comes to European species.

[unique loom]

Adding onto this - the CIC system could be used for European species or species that B&C doesn't have scoring evaluations for

[round nymph]

Yeah, I also meant to include CIC into this post but I simply forgot the name of it

I’m dense

[primal swallow]

So I'm not 100% sure but I think both scoring systems are licensed and they won't let games use them. I wanna say classic is the only current hunting game that does. Pretty sure the cotw devs have talked about why they didn't use b/c for their scoring

[prisma holly]

this here. b/c is copyrighted and you have to get a copyright claim to be able to use it, and since woth is getting a new game, i would imagine they wouldn't go through all of that trouble.

[sick dragon]

They are happy to purchase the rights to Steyr, Remington, Bergara, Bear Archery, and Kawasaki products. I don’t see why they would draw the line at scoring systems.

[junior mantle]

Just because certain companies sell their rights of use of certain things forward, that doesn't mean other companies will do the same.

[sick dragon]

I agree and never said otherwise, but theHunter: Classic having rights to B&C shows that they are, or once were, more than willing to sell the rights to their scoring system.

[solar vine]

It also depends on how much the Copyright holders demand for the License

In the worst case that could mean:
If the license runs out and is unable to be renewed the Game can't be sold anymore.

But that again the absolute wort case

[tropic flax]

COTW uses B/C but it’s not outright called B/C since it’s literally just a form of measurement

Albeit, it’s not applied in the best way possible

[primal swallow]

Thats not what the devs said bud, I watched every livestream they did from release and they put their own version of scoring in the game because B/C is copyright and they weren't allowed to use it. Classic however uses it because apparently it wasn't copyright back then. Anyway I'm not gonna argue about it, thats something to take up with those devs

[sick dragon]

We use the Douglas Score system almost exclusively in New Zealand, with the main exception being high-fence game reserves who typically use SCI, as they cater predominantly to American hunters, and Douglas scoring applies only to free-range trophies.

The system is fairly similar to Boone & Crockett, but is even less forgiving of asymmetry.

I suspect most players wouldn’t want to see it implemented in-game, as it would be unfamiliar to non-Kiwi or Australian players and only has systems in place for New Zealand and Australian species.

That said, I would personally love to see a system I actually understand at a glance.

https://www.deerstalkers.org.nz/resources/animals/trophy-scoring-douglas-score/

I doubt a Kiwi scoring system would be as protective of their brand anyway. I’m not sure who has the rights to it though, or if it’s even copyrighted.

[tropic flax]

It’s literally the same thing just named slightly different lol

[round nymph]

CotW doesn’t use B&C

[tropic flax]

Israelgpt please generate me a generic response to “It’s literally the same thing just named slightly different lol” and be sure to not actually say anything substance.

[round nymph]

276 inch typical whitetails 💔

[round nymph]

Deer Hunter 2005 and 2004 used the B&C system as well

also WotH is no stranger to partnerships

I’m sure arranging something with B&C and CIC is definitely possible

[tropic flax]

Very large individuals, in lore it’s stated all the reserve locations are highly dense in calcium.

[round nymph]

sounds like a weird way to justify their awful scoring system

legit feels like they came up with their own scoring system and just tried to follow how B&C is without keeping it true to reality

[tropic flax]

I absolutely hate cotw’s scoring system my guy. With the exception of bears which is (mostly) spot on and on par with B/C.

[round nymph]

yeah the bears are the only ones with an accurate scoring system

kinda hard to mess up length and width of the skull

[tropic flax]

Trust me, it’s easy for EW

[round nymph]

i know this

[round nymph]

Use the Boone & Crockett and CIC Scoring Systems

[round nymph]

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[crimson ridge]

any sort of real scoring system would go a long way. I just want hunter classic 2 man 🙁

[round nymph]

real

[solar vine]

Izt shouldn't become a mere copy of tHC tho

Simmilar systems sure but with it's own identity

And not a F2P or Subsription based Game

[crimson ridge]

obviously not, but i still haven't had any other game where I get that rush from seeing non-typicals, rare skin/fur variations

For example even though the racks in classic are pretty dated they still have the most amount of variation than any other hunting game

You'll never shoot the exact same deer in theHunter Classic

[solar vine]

I get your point, just wanted to say it

[crimson ridge]

I don't think there's anyone here advocating for a f2p model or sub based hunting game haha

but i getcha

All I'm saying though is I would do things I would regret for a game that was just theHunter Classic with 2026 graphics and animations

[solar vine]

Yeah I gotcha.

For now we will have to wait and see how the direction of the game even looks like

[round nymph]

this

that’s how widely diverse the antler scores are

Seeing that level of diversity in a modern hunting game is what we’d like to see

[crimson ridge]

2009 game better antlers than 2026 games like how are we here

[round nymph]

Modern hunting games are trying too hard to be arcade-y and fast-paced.

I mean, a lot of older hunting games are like that, too. But we’ve yet to receive a good actual hunting simulation game since theHunter Classic, and Deer Hunter 2005 before it.

[crimson ridge]

like don't get me wrong theHunter classic has some pretty unrealistic things about it like shooting 10 deer standing next to eachother with a bow without spooking them but it's almost a mechanic that I enjoy because it rewards good shooting

[solar vine]

Well I think they consider more Diverse Antlers since it was another major wish/complaint of WotH

But again: We will have to wait and see

[crimson ridge]

that's why we're here leaving feedback 🫡

[round nymph]

eeeyup

[solar vine]

Exactly.

[fallow isle]

Classic still holds up well. The fact there are so many people who have played for 7-10+ years and still play it is pretty crazy

[round nymph]

it has a pretty dedicated community, but hasn’t grown all that much considering the older playerbase, and a majority of the demographic it was aiming for are playing cotw

[fallow isle]

Idk if that’s necessarily true. It grew quite a bit with becoming fyp. Slowed down now of course. I don’t think classic and cotw really target the same people either. Most people I know who play classic very much do not like cotw

I personally think that need zones kinda ruin hunting games

[solar vine]

That's actiually one of the things I likt the most on WotH.

Tho I admit that for NHA they should be more Dynamic rather than fixed

[fallow isle]

Woth did it better than cotw imo but it’s still not great imo. Having animals tied to need zones makes it play way differently and makes most people use way less of the map than if animals wandered around without need zones

[solar vine]

Hence why I said they need to be more Dynamic rather than static.
Having Weather impact them (https://discord.com/channels/961392142482292817/1451758102302031996) or also Hunting Pressure that Need Zones can be completely abandoned even

[fallow isle]

I still think it will play similar or the same. The only way to truly have animals be found at random instead of just knowing where stuff will be is completely random pathing

[crimson ridge]

TheHunter classic true randomness every time you load a map is both a blessing and a curse. Everything is session based and that deer you saw today is gone tomorrow but definitely opens up explording vast areas of maps instead of visting the same location over and over again

[fallow isle]

If you lose a big animal you have to track it down and find it. You can’t just reset the time and find it at a drink zone. I would rather have a random set of completely different animals and possibly miss some cool things than be able to just reset and find it or just check zones for it. Plus like you said it makes it so you explore different areas that otherwise wouldn’t be touched

[crimson ridge]

I think they could and mostly likely will still keep the herd management and persistent animals they just need to find a way for them to dynamically move around the map rather than stay in their set partitions of the map

[fallow isle]

Yeah if they did it right I think it could do well