EARNING XP AND CHALLENGES IN PRIVATE MODE ISSUE

[random fern]

I am VERY concerned with the fact that players have the ability to cheese XP and multiplayer challenges in a private mode. This essentially will make game progression and cosmetics have zero actual value. No successful multiplayer game allows this to happen, and for good reason! I fear that this oversight will severely hinder the longevity of the game!

My suggestion is to have everything unlocked in the private mode and no XP is earned (or maybe decrease the percentage of earned XP to like 50%). Keep multiplayer progression and cosmetic unlocks in multiplayer matches.

EDIT: This discussion is irrelevant if the game still has a system implemented in multiplayer matches where people in the same party can both be Klown and Human. This encourages Klowns and Humans to team together and to cheese challenges and rewards in muliplayer matches.

[vast canopy]

You know you don’t have to do it, right?

[random fern]

?? Do you not understand the issue? Can you explain to me why literally ALL other successful PVP multiplayer games don't allow XP and challenges to be earned in a private mode?

[vast canopy]

Again, you know you don’t have to do it. Right?

[random fern]

... That isn't an argument and it doesn't address my concerns. Just because I don't have to, doesn't mean others won't abuse it (THEY ALREADY ARE).

I want Killer Klowns to be successful for years to come. Not die in a month

[vast canopy]

Abuse what? Leveling up and unlocking clothing and weapons a bit earlier? How’s it hurting your gaming experience?

[vast canopy]

Having private functionality for xp and rewards will keep it alive.

Some people wanna have fun in privates sometimes and still earn things.

[random fern]

Imagine actually EARNING your XP and cosmetics only in multiplayer matches against actual skilled players... then having other players use (what other games would call an exploit) easy mode to earn everything without the same effort.

What is your issue with them just doing what all other games do in the industry and make MULTIPLAYER progression and challenges only earnable in MULTIPLAYER matches? It is literally common sense.

[vast canopy]

Yeah, this community is cooked.

[random fern]

I agree! It seems like we have imposters that hate everything but DbD come into the community to try to ruin the game so it dies.

[vast canopy]

That happens with every asymm 😭

[random fern]

Exactly! Which is why I want Killer Klowns to not make the same mistakes as them.

I am just bringing up this, because it is a HUGE glaring issue for the longevity of the game. I am hoping a dev will respond to this, or at least read it and think about it.

The beauty of horror asym games is that both the casual players and competitive players can get what they want. This is how DbD has stayed active for a decade. This is one thing they did right. You have all cosmetics and challenges earned in multiplayer matches, and you have a ranked mode with MMR for the competitive players. It gives players a reason to actually play.

[vast canopy]

You could nerf xp gain, but cosmetic unlockables shouldn’t matter. Eventually everyone is gonna have em so who cares about people having a shirt or something earlier than others.

[random fern]

My suggestion is to have ALL unlockables unlocked in a private match.

Earnable only in multiplayer matches.

[vast canopy]

Nah they should be earnable in privates also, it’s just cosmetics.

Classes and weapons though, no

[random fern]

You must be a troll. Do you understand the earnable cosmetics in a multiplayer PVP game have value because you EARN them against other skilled players? Do you understand that if someone can just cheese the cosmetics and progression, it literally devalues all cosmetics?

[vast canopy]

You do understand the base cosmetics are gonna be something everyone is gonna have eventually right?

[random fern]

A good cosmetic gives players a reason to grind the gameplay loop. If the cosmetic is worthless, WHY PLAY?

[vast canopy]

You’re taking this wayy too seriously.

[random fern]

This is a very serious issue! It is about the success and longevity of the game.

[vast canopy]

Ghostbusters has the same thing, and the game is doing just fine

[random fern]

Unless you don't mind the game dying in a month

[vast canopy]

Did you do the same with Ghostbusters?

[random fern]

I never played it. How many active players are playing that game?

Again, it can't be much.

[vast canopy]

There’s plenty, game is still getting support and it’s got a passionate playerbase. Even a pro league for it within the community.

[random fern]

if it has a flawed progression system

[vast canopy]

Nah game is doing good

It isn’t as serious as you think it is

[random fern]

It can't be that good if I only ever heard of it because of Killer Klowns and Illfonic

[vast canopy]

?

It’s a good casual game, the sweats aren’t fond of it because it isn’t abusable like DBD.

[random fern]

Hey, you might be a casual player. You get on after work and play for 30min to an hour and don't really care. I am speaking for the hard core players who will play for hours each night, that play competitively in PVP games, that like to actually EARN things.

[vast canopy]

Bro, I’ve put over 1000 hours into TCM and Evil Dead combined, I’m as hardcore as you can get.

[random fern]

then you have lost your marbles and don't understand what keeps majority of the players playing the game loop.

[vast canopy]

Ok bro

[random fern]

Does TCM have XP and Cosmetics earnable in private matches?

[vast canopy]

No

[random fern]

Exactly

Why not?

[vast canopy]

?

But trophies are earnable

[random fern]

Because it is literally a game dev NO NO to do. It is a flawed thing.

[vast canopy]

Ok

👍

Gonna close this and watch my movie

[random fern]

Can you at least admit, that it is common sense to have multiplayer progression and challenges only earnable in multiplayer matches?

I mean...

[strong orchid]

I’m sorry, but this is such a ridiculous take. Having to sweat for the little bit of cosmetics in the game if you don’t want to is a terrible experience. What you want is a COMPETITIVE experience, these devs do not want the game to feel sweaty or grindy. If you want to challenge yourself then YOU challenge yourself, however if someone else wants a freaking shirt but doesn’t want to go face to face with 25 Klowns and kill them when they’re stealth players then they should not be forced to just to earn the same shirt. It would be completely fine to remove xp gain from private matches but still allow challenges to track. Otherwise they should keep cosmetics as level rewards only. This isn’t a competitive game, it’s a party game with a comedic focus. You need to stop taking your games so seriously and touch some grass.

[random fern]

Buddy... since when is a PVP game "casual"?

Especially when over 75% of the player base came from DbD?

Also, what is wrong with the devs removing the boosting exploit and having to earn XP, etc. in multiplayer matches?

LIKE every other successful pvp game?

I see ya typing Droid. 🙂

[golden crystal]

This post is a bad take and very selfish. I like being able to cheese. I currently have a disability that limits my time and functions on one of my arms. I like the perk of taking it easy and getting some unlocks while being dog water without having sweats ruining the game. Once I am beefed up a little, I can go to pubs and be some what alright. I gotta agree with others and say you can choose not to partake and let others have their fun?

[random fern]

You level up just the same in public matches. If it is too hard for you to play like everyone else, maybe play minecraft?

[golden crystal]

Lol proves my point of a selfish take my guy. Some of us like to play other games too.

[random fern]

selfish? So what you are saying is because you don't want to use a controller or whatever, you want to keep a boosting exploit that will kill the game in a month just because you don't want to earn XP like in every PVP game known to man that is successful. I bet if I look on your steam account, you have DbD or TCM. Do they have the XP boosting in private lobbies?

How do you manage to play those games?

or any PVP game for that matter lol

[golden crystal]

Just running around being dog water but having fun? It's a chill casual game, not the end of the world you gotta win comp game.

[random fern]

The genre is setup, like in Killer Klowns, with rewards for playing. Cosmetics. That is what keeps the game running. IF all "rewards" can be cheesed by non-disabled players who are using private matches to exploit... then what incentive is there to keep playing the same game loop 5 months from now? If everything you earn is literally worthless?

Also, there is a simple solution that solves BOTH of our issues. Introduce MMR. Competitive players will face other people who are competitive, and as you say "dog water" player who are more casual will be matched up with other dog water players. SOLVED

[golden crystal]

Maybe fun aspects? I used to play tide games and other stuff where devs let hackers run muck or don't even give it a time of day with updates. If they can have consistent updates to make the base game better to keep others returning. It'll be alright. Why do you think csgo or kf 1/2 had a long life cycle?

[random fern]

You just answered your own question without even realizing it. Can you cheese unlocks in CSGO?

what makes CSGO so popular?

[golden crystal]

No weapon unlocks and gambling? You can busy cosmetics if that's what you are referring

[random fern]

Cosmetics and competitive gameplay

Before we move on, respond to my idea of MMR?

[golden crystal]

Not really, some like to surf or play mods like tf2. Don't twist my words to make your agenda

[random fern]

That is the beauty of MMR! You will be matched up with other like you on your own skill level and competitive players can be matched up with them! WIN WIN

[golden crystal]

Would be nice to have mmr

[golden crystal]

Would be better to have unlocks open for all while those who want mmr be by themselves having to grind stuff out

That would be the best

[random fern]

see, we can compromise. I understand your argument and I feel you on it! But, can we both agree that private bot modes shouldn't be able to progress multiplayer XP and progress.

You know, part of the dopamine hit from completeing a challenge is that you EARNED that challenge, and you can show it off in public lobbies. IF everyone and their mother just cheesed it... it wouldn't be as special

[golden crystal]

It still should be allowed but maybe not in ranked? Could have sworn warzone did a similar concept where stuff unlocked before was usually everywhere but ranked/a special game mode had you work for stuff all over

[random fern]

hmm... well what are your thoughts of having everything unlocked in a private bot lobby? Maybe you can still earn XP, but it will be reduced to like 35 -50%? Challenges shouldn't be able to be unlocked.

[strong orchid]

A game that is 100% RNG based is not competitive. You can be the best clown player in the world but if I find two fuses as soon as I spawn I’m most likely going to get me and both of my friends out of the portal before you ever even find us. PvP is not inherently competitive. This is a 3v7 party game.

and no matter what you say, no amount of playtime hours is going to make you find random spawns faster.

[random fern]

Abracadork, you are making a good argument here, but be advised that I am relying on the fact that the devs will balance these issues out to make it less RNG, etc.

[strong orchid]

I’m sure they will, but that doesn’t have to make the game competitive. A lot of the players from other games, like myself want to play this game because it’s funny and even when dying it doesn’t feel sweaty until you get that one ass hat who wants to call you an f slur while carrying you to the generators just to stroke their own ego.

[random fern]

For the game to last a long time, it needs to have a competitive aspect. Something that makes players want to keep playing the same old game loop over and over. Something to play for. A rank, a cosmetic, both... THAT is why DbD is still alive.

Other than that. We all paid $40+ for a dead game in a month after release

[strong orchid]

But even then, I don’t see them making it less RNG because if they’re are regular spans then Klowns will just camp them. Klowns are already pretty strong as is. I’ve only lost 3 Klowns games in 63 hours of playing the game, but I only escape about 60% of my human games and that’s just because I have experience with Friday as AJ so I’m used to stealth play.

[random fern]

@strong orchid Do you see where I am coming from? Basically I am tired of DbD and want Killer Klowns to be the game. I want it to last, and it does have the potential

[strong orchid]

And there are plenty of players who want to play games without something to earn just because they enjoy the gameplay loop. I’m certain they will add some sort of game pass mechanic but I’m in a private discord with almost 1k dbd and Fortnite players who just play to play with friends

[random fern]

both of those games have something in common though...

do I have to say it? lol

[strong orchid]

Yes, but we don’t play for the rift passes. Most of my friends don’t even buy the rift or battle passes.

I do because I’m a cosmetic goblin.

[random fern]

Yes, I understand... BUT MOST PLAYERS DO. You have a game that is active to play because of that. If not, it would be a dead game

[strong orchid]

Same reason I’ve tried to farm these challenges in multiplayer lobbies. I am 100% the person that camped a bush for 15 minutes to escape with the terenzi brothers for a pair of glasses.

[random fern]

see what I mean? We need to find a solution that will make us both happy. Casual and Competitive

[strong orchid]

That would be separate modes. A competitive mode with its own unlockables and double xp would be nice. But keeping a mode like the one the game currently has for casual players would be nice. There are plenty of people who don’t spend 8 hours every other day playing a game but still want to win half of their matches at least as well as they should.

[random fern]

Also to mention, I think this game is a little different when it comes to what "winning" is. For insance, I was a Klown and there was this ONE survivor that always got away, always killed me. My goal was to not let them leave... I managed to kill them right at the exit van. THAT was fun and made my night, THAT was a win for me.

that survivor was competitive. I was competitive. THAT was fun

[random fern]

Maybe, but DbD has a proven system that works (98%). MMR, where if you get better, you face better opponents.

[strong orchid]

And that’s okay to be a competitive game and it’s completely valid to play like that if you want to. But I’ve noticed a lot of players I’ve been matched with in this game just want to chill and play and they don’t care if they win. Then there are some players like me. gortosh who killed all the other 6 players and there was one minute left and I asked him to let me escape with their terenzis to finish my challenge before the reset of I completed ones and he cocooned me and emoted on me even though he had already won.

[random fern]

When that settles, you are left with casual players playing with other casuals and competitive players playing with other competitive players

[random fern]

I wish I could express what I really mean here. I am not full out saying we need to sweat every game, etc...

My concern is having a built in boosting system that lowers the value of ANY challenge and cosmetic in the game.

Even a casual player wants to feel good when they earn that cosmetic.

[strong orchid]

I get what you’re trying to express, I just still don’t agree that cosmetics should be locked behind grind heavy challenges. Especially in a game with only a few good faces for humans that everyone uses.

[random fern]

Not earn it, and be like "well, everyone else boosted for it and had it before me..."

@strong orchid Do you understand what makes an earnable cosmetic good?

One aspect is that you earn it. The other aspect is because you earned it, you can show it off.

If everyone earns it because they boosted it, that cosmetic is now worthless.

If every cosmetic is worthless in the game. The game will die.

[strong orchid]

I don’t really wear cosmetics to show off, I just want to dress my character the way I like. Having a few challenge locked cosmetics are nice, but every cosmetic in this game is currently locked behind either level or challenges. No one wants to be forced to wear the same cosmetics as everyone else or hate their playtime because they have to grind for simple clothes. Special items are fine but not simple clothes.

[random fern]

Paid cosmetics are different, because the value is the money you paid for it. And others also have to pay, not cheese it and get it for free

[strong orchid]

No other game does that so I understand why they made them earnable in both modes.

[random fern]

Abracadork, other than cosmetics in Killer Klowns... what is the reason for me to keep playing the same game loop in 5 months from now?

You do realize that after a month, the gameplay loop will be stale. Just like DbD. What keeps players playing a stale game loop, is the competitive nature, MMR, and cosmetics

of course, new maps and new weapons/killers

Most people don't want to spend time in a game that they feel like they are not earning anything in.

[strong orchid]

I think that you think there are more competitive players than there are. Most players are casual players that just enjoy the game. Repetitive gameplay loops do not get stale for everyone. As I said before me and all of my friends play dbd just because we like dbd. This is the same reason I play KKFOS. I’ve already unlocked most of the cosmetics and have unlocked all the ones that I want in multiplayer matches alone. I’m not playing with an end goal. I’m playing because I love the movie and I enjoy the game. It’s fun to repeatedly try and get away with sneak shit or just to go in and beat the hell out of some klowns or humans.

I’ve been playing dbd since 2016 and I am not a competitive player, I make it through rift passes within two weeks and still play just to play, as does everyone else I know who plays.

Basically, you can enjoy a game without feeling like you have to constantly be rewarded for playing it.

[bleak shard]

Friday the 13th was successful and it did the same thing. DBD has a ridiculous grind and nobody plays privately because of this reason. The ability to play games with a group of friends over toxic randos who constantly use slurs or try to ruin the game for others on their own team should never be taken away.

[random fern]

Not to mention, this goes beyond the private match issue... People can also cheese the multi-player lobbies because the game allows members of the same party to be Klowns and Humans in the same match.

How fun would it be to have someone on your team rigging the game to cheese it? This game has these glaring issues that will kill it in a month or so.

[bleak shard]

It's impossible to stop people from partying up in Discord, Xbox Party, PSN or whatever. It's unfortunate but it happens in every game. That's why I would never advocate from taking XP, Challenges, and Achievements away from private lobbies. If you find a good group of people to play with just stick with them.

[random fern]

I'm sorry but I don't see your point, it didn't make any sense 🤷

How does ppl partying up in discord, etc. Have anything to do with removing the ability to gain XP, etc. In private lobbies and making it impossible to be partied up in-game and be on opposite teams.

Then, just like all other PVP games, if you are found to be cheating by being on opposite teams and helping eachother... then you get reported and warned/banned.

This isn't like inventing a new wheel... this is common practice in the gaming industry ever since PVP Multi-player games existed.

You guys act like my stance is foreign and insane... my guy... it's how EVERY PVP game has done it.

[bleak shard]

I think you didn't read what I said at all

Or you misunderstood me

So I'll be clear. Public lobbies are always going to be full of people that abuse the game. If you're in a private lobby with friends that don't do that you never have to worry and people should not be punished in private lobbies that just want to play the game free of that nonsense.

If you play in public you may run into some people working together in a party of some kind

Or just yelling slurs.

[random fern]

@bleak shard I understood you, I think you are not understanding me. This is why, every successful PVP game, has a report system. If you are in a match where people are working together, then you report them and the devs can ban them/punish them like we do with anyone who cheats/boosts in multiplayer games.

Having XP earned in private match will kill the game. Period. Most people will cheese the private lobby, and boost xp and challenges. You have to admit, the current system is majorly flawed.

[bleak shard]

Having XP in a private match killing the game is your opinion. Mine is different that's it. I don't know if you're aware how the report systems in these asymmetrical games work. News Flash they don't. I can see why you were upset initially about people farming achievements in public but honestly there is no merit to ruining private games and forcing people to play public. If anything I would say the opposite would happen if you did that. We will just have to disagree.

[random fern]

After the game loop gets stale, which it will (like all repetitive games), what motivates people to keep playing is the rewards. IF you allow (and encourage) people to cheese the rewards, the value of those rewards are severely diminished. THAT will kill the game. It is not a matter of opinion, that is just common logic. This game's major feature is it's customization (cosmetics). Earning cosmetics has to feel rewarding. If we keep the private lobbies the same as they are, you kill the very thing that the game will rely on to keep people playing long term.

[bleak shard]

See we people think their opinions are fact and that they are absolutely right it's pointless to continue this. If people want to kill 7 bot humans to get an achievement or hide in a dumpster so people can pull them out in a private lobby so what? The devs wouldn't have allowed it. New maps and characters will keep the game alive just like it did for Friday which broke records btw. Illfonic knows what they're doing.

[random fern]

Is it not a fact that ALL SUCCESSFUL PVP GAMES don't allow multiplayer progress and rewards to be earned in a private lobby? I think that is a fact. I wonder why?

btw, it in itself is a contradiction. Nobody with more than 3 brain cells will say "Should MULTIPLAYER progress and rewards be earned in a private bot lobby"? lol

[bleak shard]

For one thing to call this a straight up PVP as opposed to an asymmetrical game wikk not change my mind. I've almost every Asymmetrical game that has come out and most fail and success or not in my opinion has virtually nothing to do with what you're talking about. However you are entitled to your opinion just as much as me but I disagree with your again opinion.

[random fern]

What do you call a game where players verse other players, my guy?

[bleak shard]

Also I don't attack people who don't agree with me and make blanket statements about others cognitive functions.

I disagree with you I have nothing to say about it

[random fern]

To be honest, I am starting to think people like you on this server are actively trying to kill Killer Klowns long term. Why? idk... maybe because TCM is on it's last leg and Killer Klowns being successful can literally put the nail in that coffin.

[random fern]

Derek... what I am advocating for is literally STANDARD practice in the gaming industry.

[bleak shard]

How about you just say fine I disagree with you and leave it like that. Toxic I always think I'm right attitudes is what kills games imo. Just food for thought.

Since we want to attack people and not the argument

[random fern]

What do you call something that is proven to be right? What am I wrong about? Is it not standard practice to not allow multiplayer progress and rewards earnable in a private match BECAUSE of boosting/cheating and because it ruins the integrety of a multiplayer game?

[bleak shard]

Listen talk to yourself since that's what you clearly enjoy. I'm not your echo chamber good luck convincing Illfonic their successful practice in every game they ever made doesn't work. Good day to you.

[random fern]

Just like I thought. You have the same mindset as these delusional far leftist snowflakes that say wildly un-factual things, then when proven wrong it is either "lets just be okay with disagreeing OR I will run away into my shell". It is actually pathetic.

[bleak shard]

If anything you're talking about yourself there

[random fern]

A Texan? Well act like it my guy. Maybe we are misunderstanding each other, idk.

[bleak shard]

I don't think so. I think it's an age gap.

[random fern]

I don't think what I am saying is way off base, and it is proven in literally every successful pvp game. I mean.

Can you give me one example of a successful pvp game that allows multiplayer XP and rewards to be earned in a private bot lobby?

At least have something to back up your stance, ya know

[bleak shard]

Friday the 13th and Ghostbusters both Illfonic games

[random fern]

successful? Where are they now?

See, that is my worry. You want Killer Klowns to end up like them. DEAD.

[bleak shard]

F13 is almost 8 years old and I guarantee Ghostbusters has more players than TCM that's for aure because who doesn't

[random fern]

well, lets be honest. Comparing any game to TCM is unfair. TCM is just a bad game.

[bleak shard]

It is

But this is a genre on it's own

You can't compare it to League or Destiny or something

[random fern]

To be clear, my idea of successful is gaining more popularity and active players than DbD

in this genre, since DbD is the standard at this point

[bleak shard]

Nobody is getting 28k players in this genre

That's pie in the sky

[random fern]

idk, I think Killer Klowns has potential. IF they fix these glaring issues you keep arguing with me about lol

[bleak shard]

Especially for something this niche let's be real

10 k realistic

I'm talking only Steam

Consoles will always make up numbers

TCM is like 600 a day in steam with gamepass life support

[random fern]

@bleak shard Just so you know where I am coming from... I am TIRED OF DBD! I want just ONE horror asym game (that scratches that itch) to be successful so I can finally stop going back to DbD.

[random fern]

so true

[bleak shard]

I've played DBD forever and kill your friends should give you xp imo. You have like 80 characters with 3 prestige levels a piece plus you have to go through a fourth time

So how ever many characters times 4

Ridiculous

That's where I'm coming from

I would love to test my metal against Friends but why you get no XP and the grind is too long

I stopped playing after Pinhead and witch girl

[random fern]

So, maybe we should come to some compromise? Something that we both can agree on?

[bleak shard]

I was also tired of being reported and receiving death threats

You know for winning

Rank 3 killer

Rank 1 survivor

And I got burnt out and I'm done

I don't want to play with randoms

I'm already level 53 and haven't really had the best time because every lobby sucks

[random fern]

Oh I know. I mained killer. Not only did we have to go by the game's rules, but also we had to keep up with the liberal far leftist survivor made up rules or we will get told to off ourselves because they have no sense of accountability and have no ability to reflect on what they did wrong to improve.

[bleak shard]

That's what kills games to me

I never played by their made up rules I bought the game and I'll play how I want

[random fern]

Maybe we can both agree. What is bringin toxicity in gaming in general, is the far left political brainwashed puppets

[bleak shard]

Nope I don't discuss politics

What's toxic is letting everyone decide what you should do

[random fern]

well, they force those politics in our lives and games.

[bleak shard]

For example

Let's say I buy a cheeseburger

[random fern]

So glad Killer Klowns doesn't force us to see those hate flags everywhere

[bleak shard]

And I order it plain and dry and you walk over and say that's not how you eat a cheeseburger and you squirt ketchup on my burger

I would be mad

Because I bought it

That's how I treat so called this is how you're supposed to play a game you paid for nonsense

So at the end of the day

You have the right to your opinion

About this whole thing but I'll never agree with it because my experience with these games

Is how I feel about them

The best and most fun I ever had was playing F13 in private lobbies

Like 90% of our games was that

And it was amazing

And this can be that too

But if you have your way it will never be

I'm 42 I don't want to have to always play with teenagers yelling the N word

You feel me?

[random fern]

I get that, but your analogy is a little off on the main topic of the discussion. A better analogy is let's say a company hosts a competition. They make rules. "Anyone who completes these challenges, will earn the prize!"

Let's say the challenge is that you must find your opponent, and take their flag, and return it to some home base.

The challenge is a challenge because there is an understanding that all participants are going to be playing the same game, with relatively equal difficulty.

--- Then you find out that the game host actually has a system where the challenge can be cheesed by opponents cheating. Where, you earned that challenge against an actual opponent.

Then, that reward isn't as rewarding. You will feel like it would be a waste of time.

[random fern]

reading it now, I was responding for a bit 🙂

[bleak shard]

There is not a single challenge in this game that will magically give anyone an advantage.

[random fern]

Well, new klown weapons....

[bleak shard]

If everyone got supernuke and it one shoted everyone I guess

[random fern]

also, that wasn't my point.

[bleak shard]

My point is it's punishing the many for the actions of the few.

The whole world works that way and it shouldn't

[random fern]

Here, how about this. Simple question. Should everyone expect to have to complete a challenge for a reward the same? Is that fair?

[bleak shard]

Oh one guy blew gis face up with a battery in the heat so nobody can change a car battery on company property

[bleak shard]

Is everyone able to do the same thing?

Nothing is making them do it that way and nobody is stopping you from doing it

[random fern]

what? cheat and boost and cheese? YES, and that is the issue I am discussing

[bleak shard]

So seems equal to me

[random fern]

So, you are okay with every single challenge and reward to be worthless?

[bleak shard]

If only some could do it and there was no way for anyone else to I would agree but that's not the Case

They're worthless in your eyes

Let's look at this logically

A what if

[random fern]

Honest people who want to actually have a challenge and earn the reward, don't want to cheat it. I don't think it is fair to make cheating the norm

[bleak shard]

What if a person played nothing but bot clown rounds till they got to level 100 and never played with anyone?

[random fern]

oh, that is what I am doing lol

[bleak shard]

Is their grind any less valuable

[random fern]

yes

[bleak shard]

I say no

Because

[random fern]

a bot's difficulty is the same as a human?

[bleak shard]

They played the game they paid for how they wanted to

They didn't want to play with people they just wanted a klown simulator

[random fern]

Then guess what the logical fix is for that? HAVE AN OFFLINE MODE NOT CONNECTED TO MULTIPLAYER PVP MODE

[bleak shard]

Point it would take take you hours to grind to that level

And it's just as valid

[random fern]

why ruin the game for everyone else if 1% of players don't want to play against other players in a game marketed for online PVP?

[bleak shard]

They paid 60 or 40 dollars like everyone else

[random fern]

Derek. I didn't buy Skyrim to play a MMORPG.

Just like people shouldn't buy a game marketed for ONLINE PVP and complain about playing against other players

[bleak shard]

That's the thing when they play privately and you play publicly it has zero affect on you

If anything

If they did start playing publicly at level 100 they will most likely get stomped

Since bota don't even try to escape

[random fern]

Oh, yes it does. IF the same rewards and progress are given for NOT THE SAME EFFORT.

[bleak shard]

I hear you but I just can't get with it

[random fern]

Do I want to rock a special pair of sunglasses that took me 5 hours to earn, if there are players just cheesing it in 5 minutes?

Then everyone in the game will see those all the time and think everyone who has them has cheesed them

The value is gone.

[bleak shard]

Except you can do the same thing if you want but you want a better experience and it's their prerogative if they don't because Sunglasses don't win games

[random fern]

That is the problem. How about we just make it so you can't cheat? Simple solution, right?

idk, what I see as just common sense, others see as a mind blowing new invention. It boggles my mind, man.

[bleak shard]

No you're placing a high value on these things and I say what's more valuable is new maps, new characters, maybe even new game modes

But cosmetics aren't making or Breaking the game

[random fern]

Maybe. I guess time will tell. I mean, this whole discussion is worthless about private matches when the game randmonly puts you as Klown or Human even if you are already partied up. It is like the game encourages cheating and boosting already, IN the multiplayer matches. Maybe the game is dead on arrival due to incompetent game devs?

[summer abyss]

I’ve also noticed that the color of clothes, skin, and hair don’t really matter in the lighting system, since they just go way darker

[bleak shard]

The game loop will get old eventually with or without cosmetics but as long as new things like maps and characters come people will keep playing. DBD constantly has these

It keeps them going

If they quit making maps and killers people would stop playing

[random fern]

What game loop? People tend to take the path of least resistance. IF the game allows cheating and boosting, that is what majority will do eventually. AND that isn't fun.

[summer abyss]

Hey, did any of you guys finish repairing the generators? I can loop all day here! I’m gonna get hooked!😜

[bleak shard]

Again you call it cheating but the devs wouldn't have allowed it in the first place if they felt that way.

[random fern]

incompetent devs that don't know what they are doing will do it that way.

[bleak shard]

So somebody's friend gets in a dumpster and gets pulled out and they get an achievement so what. Maybe they allow it because nobody hides in those lol

[random fern]

I call it cheating, because in the gaming industry, that is what we call it when people cheese the game

[bleak shard]

Well cheesing and cheating are two different things and did you ever consider people that work 60 plus hours a week may not have an hour to play everyday let alone 5

[random fern]

"The game objective is Klowns VS Humans" --- "Oh, but we designed a system where it is easier and allowed for players to be both Klown and Human in the same party, encouraging players to who should be opponents to work together" --- It ruins the objective of the game.

[bleak shard]

That's a separate every game ever issue

If I'm in an xbox party with somebody and we are on opposite teams and I help them that's cheating and unavoidable

[random fern]

When I am a Klown, I want to expect my other Klown friends to have the same objective as I. I don't want a system where every game I join is Humans and Klowns working together to cheese objectives

[bleak shard]

That would public matches and no bearing in the private one

So you're arguing two different things

[random fern]

It is unavoidable if the game doesn't allow those partied up together to be on opposite teams

allowing it, is encouraging it

[bleak shard]

So your solution is no parties or every party of 3 is a klown team so nobody else is clowns

Which is it

[random fern]

Right. If you choose Klown, your party limit will be 3. If you choose Human, party limit will be 7.

[bleak shard]

And has nothing to do with private lobbies at all

[random fern]

Right, because I pointed out that the discussion on private lobbies is irrelevant, if they allow people to cheat in multiplayer anyways

[bleak shard]

People playing for the opposite team happens in every game and all anyone can do is report it which never helps anyway

But that reasoning is weird because it's not the norm

[random fern]

idk, the more I discuss this with people and think about it, the more depressed I get because it just seems this game is on it's way to be dead in a month. There is just too much wrong with the implementation. It will be a party game that majority of people cheese, then die.

All I am asking for, is for them to setup multiplayer progress and rewards LIKE EVERY PVP GAME that is successful today.

That is all lol. Why is that so hard?

[bleak shard]

Again goes back to my original point. Make a good group of players to play with and do private lobbies and you will never have issues of cheaters.

Problem solved

[random fern]

I don't like playing with large groups. I play games with my girlfriend. Just her and I.

[summer abyss]

TF2 doesn’t need updates because most of the weapons are balanced and the gameplay loop is fun

[random fern]

Why do I have to go out of my way, just because the devs can't implement multiplayer like every other game does?

[bleak shard]

Transformers 2

[summer abyss]

Train Freights 2

[random fern]

I am starting to regret my purchase.

[bleak shard]

Dude I play Helldivers 2 a P VS E game and randos will still shoot you and ruin your game once in awhile

It happens

[random fern]

I did too. I quit the game.

[bleak shard]

But I can also que up with 3 others playing privately basically

[random fern]

and have the ability to cheese the game systems?

[bleak shard]

Friends only

[bleak shard]

How

It's Helldivers

[random fern]

sorry, I added a question mark

[bleak shard]

You helldive

[random fern]

exactly! You have equal challenge in every match

like a normal game does

[bleak shard]

And you can still get achievements whether with friends or not

This is basically the same

If they changed it to friends only mode instead of private would that make you feel better

[random fern]

right, but Helldivers isn't a PVP game. Imagine if the enemies were actual players instead of bots, and they allow you to kill them with no challenge to gain XP and rewards?

[bleak shard]

If you honestly think a person standing there while another player throws a baseball at their Klown nose somehow ruins the entire game I don't know what to tell you

[random fern]

It isn't about that. It is having the entire reward system of the game being allowed to be cheesed. That makes all of the rewards worthless

[bleak shard]

Of course you are in this discord why don't you ask people here to play with you on your platform

[random fern]

Also, having a system that encourages Klowns to work together with Humans. It defeats the purpose of the entire game

[bleak shard]

I don't think it does

Just because some people do it

[random fern]

This is why private mode should be the sandbox not connected to online rewards

[bleak shard]

I have 40 achievements and nobody helped me get any

So what

Doesn't make me special

I take that back the Klownpocalypse those guys were getting it

[random fern]

Look. Lets say they release a Klown cosmetic that looks amazing and the challenge to earn it is hard. The appeal to get it is it's worth, because of the challenge. Meaning, you know not everyone will complete the challenge, and when you earn it and wear it, it is like wearing a trophy.

IF someone can just cheese it with no challenge and everyone has it, it is worthless.

[bleak shard]

If it's really that good they will ask for money

Let's be honest

[random fern]

Fair point, but guess what the value is then? The money value. If they had a system where someone can get it for free... while also selling it for $10 === it becomes worthless

same idea here

[bleak shard]

I don't think they will do TCM prices and look at Helldivers. Grind or buy the Battle pass. They're making lots of money

I actually think that's fair

[random fern]

Do you not see my point. The point wasn't the price. It is what makes things have value. You don't sell something while also having a system for someone to just cheese it easily without paying

[bleak shard]

You keep people that don't want to spend money grinding and the people who don't have time spend the money.

If anything I think a perk system would be more valuable

You could lock something like that to both modes really

Do this in a private match get this do that in a public match get that

Then you get use out of both but your standard stuff is irrelevant

You never want to block players access to something

[random fern]

These systems are already in games. illfonic just has to do what the industry norm is, because it is proven to work.

If something is on sale, to get it for free you have to GRIND for it. The system in place for Killer Klowns is EVERYTHING is worthless, even the game loop, because their own systems encourage players to cheat and cheese it.

[bleak shard]

Well sorry you feel that way

Anyway I'm about to eat

[random fern]

Yes, will be fun as a "nobody cares" party game. But guess what, when the game loop gets stale, the game will die.

especially when everyone is cheating in every lobby

[bleak shard]

So anyway nice chatting with you

[random fern]

You too. Time will prove one of us right and one of us wrong. We will see. Hopefully you don't have to come back a month from now and say I was right.

Right. That is my point. Why do you think there is no longevity. Because of stupid descisions devs make that eventually kill their own game.

LIKE, the very topic of this discussion.

[native lion]

Some of these challenges are realistically never being completed in a timely manner. Discover 3 humans in hiding spots? Yeah right, haven't ever done that once in all my non private matches. Same goes for a lot of other challenges.

It becomes random if you complete them fast or take weeks to complete them

And not a skill thing

[nocturne torrent]

If they can’t have fun whiles not earning things, the game can’t be that fun lol

[nocturne torrent]

That’s why I’ll wait it’s no rush to earn them lol

[random fern]

@nocturne torrent You should read how these ppl were attacking me and defending the bad game design. It makes you wonder if they are larpers trying to make sure the game isn't successful

[nocturne torrent]

Tbf the argument I don’t get from a lot of these people saying they should be able to have fun in priv matches whiles earning things literally goes against the whole you should be able to have fun without the expectation of a reward - the reason they do priv matches is to cheese

[random fern]

@nocturne torrentRight... it is all a cover for them to cheese everything.

They are probably the players who boosted their XP in private matches... then found my post complaining about it, and then they attacked because they want to keep boosting and cheesing

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh pretty much, I wanna know these peoples argument against those who can’t do priv match because they only can solo q as of limited friends who may or may not play the game with them - making them disadvantaged and unable to get the same lockables - even if it is just cosmetics rn it’s also xp just crazy shouldn’t be either

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh no 100% it’s that lol

[random fern]

lol makes sense

[nocturne torrent]

I’m higher than most of these stupid priv match players anyways

And as I should be, because I’ve dedicated my time and if I have a bad match with not much xp it’s not the end of the world

[void zinc]

Challenges in private mode are actually really good feature, but exp should be twice less than in quick play

[random fern]

so true!

[nocturne torrent]

Explain how challenges in priv are good, for example I can go to my friend, let the lackey jump on me so you can hit it off lol

Yeh that was really challenging

There’s no thought for those who don’t have the ability to even priv match themselves

[random fern]

Right... then us actual gamers go in and actually EARN the challenge how we should in a multiplayer match

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh it’s challenges for a reason, you’re not supposed to speed run them, what’s the point in that - that’s so boring

[void zinc]

Because a lot of people play these kind of games just with group of friends and don't want to bother and sweat on quick play. Me for example did remaining 3 achievements on private and I'll leave challenges once the game goes fully out on Tuesday.

[random fern]

Yeah, if you could cheese the challenges in ANY other game... what happens. The game gets boring and ppl stop playing. Good way to kill a game pre-maturely

[void zinc]

xp abuse can be an issue tho

[nocturne torrent]

Even earning achievements is kinda just ridiculous because there’s no achievement in people letting you earn them tho imo

Xp abuse kills everything cause what’s the point in putting hours in

[void zinc]

I'd put xp on private as 50% instead of 100%

And problem solved

[nocturne torrent]

If they don’t bring our a lot of new challenges or content then it will be killed so fast by those who have rushed all the challenges as fast as possible through cheesing them

[random fern]

What if... hear me out... what IF... they just do it like ALL OTHER PVP GAMES do it?

[nocturne torrent]

I’d put it on 0% if you can’t have fun without earning anything you just ain’t having actual fun are you?

[void zinc]

I mean it's up to you and everyone individually the way they want to play this game. I personally think it's better to leave challenges after full release

[random fern]

yep

[nocturne torrent]

You don’t need to have a reward to have a good laugh

It’s just why work hard for something when someone else is just cheesing it all with there friends lol

[void zinc]

if someone wants to rush to unlock everything asap on private, let them be, the only thing that's not fair is xp abuse. They just need to put 50% less xp gain on private and that's about it

[random fern]

Maybe give them different awards? Like "I had to cheese this..." achievement for steam lol --- THAT would be funny

[nocturne torrent]

That’s my point and I’m also arguing for those who can’t do that as lack of people to play with etc

[void zinc]

A lot of people don't understand the game at all and do not care about other players challenges and achievements, having that option on private is actually quite nice when you have few remaining ones

[nocturne torrent]

The thing I like about not cheesing stuff is, in multiplayer I wanna be able to tell if I’m with competent players now you can’t cause every body will have everything lol

[random fern]

btw, let's not forget the ELEPHANT in the room in this discussion about private matches... With the current matchmaking, parties are able to cheese everything in multiplayer matches because of the ability to be both Klown and Human in the same party.

[nocturne torrent]

Yep that’s very true actually

[void zinc]

I mean there's nothing really wrong with that, it's not giving any player some sort of 'boost' or what so ever. Nobody will gain better in game stats, essentially it's all cosmetics, challenges and achievements. The only thing 'unfair' in this case is that a single player can farm 20k xp + in a private match, and yes, I agree that that part is an issue

[random fern]

I hope they listen and fix it.

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh but unfortunately levels and cosmetics are the only things that set people apart so?

[void zinc]

Even with someone abusing private matches, they have a really long way to get to a lvl 1k

[random fern]

How is that fair to players who want to earn them... and they realize that everyone and their mother cheesed them anyways? All challenges become worthless... and at that point. WHAT IS THE REASON TO KEEP PLAYING?

[void zinc]

Plus, essentially they are ruin the game for themselves mostly, not for the rest of us

[nocturne torrent]

If they implemented something that can’t be earned through priv match like multiplayer challenges that give unique cosmetics then sure whatever - but they have to also remove the xp thingy too

[nocturne torrent]

But it’s not about rushing, this is why priv matches completely ruin everything a priv match should be where you have fun with your friends without rewards not a xp farm lobby which on any game is banned lol

[random fern]

Cosmetics are the foundation of this game. That is the issue. If all cosmetics can just be cheesed... well there goes ALL the incentive to keep playing

[void zinc]

I do not see a problem in that.

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh idk how anyone can actually argue against this point, as cosmetics are what currently sets those apart that have tried to play the game

[void zinc]

Xp abuse is the only valid point in this

[random fern]

You will when the game dies because of it lol

[void zinc]

Essentially this game is more about levels than challenges

[void zinc]

This game has much bigger potential than you personally assume. Game is not even fully released and majority of you are just being negative and trying to find something to trash it.

[nocturne torrent]

So you think it’s fair that a group of 4 can pick and choose killer and non killer - to let one another earn cosmetics over someone who solo q as they don’t have a party etc, who can’t earn the same cosmetics

[random fern]

Look. We have THE standard of horror asym game to go by. Dead by Daylight. Love it or hate it, their systems are what keeps it alive (and the fact that there is no real competition).

[nocturne torrent]

No it’s not levels don’t mean anything at all, in any game on existence levels means nothing - they don’t contribute to how good you are as a player it’s more just time consumed on the game ultimately- where as with challenges there’s a level of skill with completing them

[random fern]

Oh no, I see the potential... THAT is why I am trying to advocate to improve the game so it doesn't pre-maturely die off in a month or so.

[void zinc]

You simply do not understand that a lot of people playing this game are playing it just because of the movie. I've come across more than a dozen of players who have zero experience in horror asyms. This game is suppose to be casual and I don't have a problem with challenges nor achievements.

[nocturne torrent]

Challenges are not a casual thing lol

[nocturne torrent]

I also decided to play the game because I love the film

Quick flex

[random fern]

Not to mention, just today alone I got 3 matches in a row where players were teaming with klowns and it ruined the game. They literally helped the klowns kill the players not in their party.

[nocturne torrent]

Sorry had to lol

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh it promotes toxic behaviour within multiplayer

[void zinc]

As I already told you, there's no penalty leaving a match and reporting those players. I've come across teaming just once

[random fern]

For instance, In one game I helped get the boat ready to escape. A player jumped on first, and then 2 of us did. They just sat there and waited for their klown buddies to jump to it, cocoon 2 of us off the boat and didn't touch the one guy.

[void zinc]

I like fair play and if I get split with my team-mates we deafen each other, but not everyone likes to play fair

But that's a different subject

[nocturne torrent]

I like the game, I just have a few problems with that it that’s all, it’s like the whole “wow you have unlocked that” fully ripped from the game

There’s no incentive at all

[random fern]

That isn't the point. WHY should the game ALLOW IT? By allowing it, it is literally encouraging it!

[nocturne torrent]

Not even levels as I can’t see other peoples

So I can’t even go wow that dude is 100+ he’s sad with no life - joking cause I’m high leveled but still

[void zinc]

The game is expected to be goofy and funny. Like people playing game like that won't be here long anyway

[nocturne torrent]

So you agree the game won’t be here long anyways?

[random fern]

Just think about it... would anyone with more than 3 brain cells developing a game go " Huh... in this PVP game, we should let parties be both sides in multiplayer matches"... NO! That is just stupid

[void zinc]

Not really, I think the game will have a decent future but all DbD trash will go back to DbD and complain to their devs,

Playerbase will be in a couple of thousands but it will sustain

[nocturne torrent]

Dead by daylight is awful yes

[random fern]

YES

That is why Killer Klowns should improve on these issues so it doesn't die prematurely

[nocturne torrent]

But dead by daylight has ranked which is cool that’s it

[random fern]

I don't want to be playing DbD for another 5 years just to scratch that itch bc devs are incompetent

[nocturne torrent]

It can improve by giving hard challenges that can’t be cheesed

[random fern]

exactly! If they just fix the private match and matchmaking issues, like we discussed. Maybe introduce a MMR system (ranked) --- even if it is hidden.

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh completely solves it, then they can now and then add more challenges like in waves and even seasonal challenges as everyone loves that then it is fixed

[random fern]

100%!

[void zinc]

sorry dude, but you're giving too many negative and bad ideas. Showing lvls and making mmr system backfired TCM player base than they had to remove visiable lvls.

[nocturne torrent]

I’m sorry but does seeing a high level really make another play that insecure?

[random fern]

No... TCM died because the devs were literally dumb, and the customization was BAD, and NO CONTENT

[void zinc]

I'll give you credit of being valid for xp abuse, but aside of that you're not really making valid points

[random fern]

plus the OVERPRICED DLCs that SUCKED

pay $20 for a blue shirt that looks the same ---TCM

[nocturne torrent]

Bro this game the deluxe version is £50 to just cheese every challenge under neath the sun

[random fern]

yep... that is why it concerned me that it is just a cash grab scam

[nocturne torrent]

£50!! I wanted to be able too try and earn the achievements the hard way and as soon as I found out you could cheese it completely deflated me tbh

[void zinc]

Not really, but some people have issue with that. Point is to unite community, not divide. I had a guy dodge my friend and me even tho that entire night we were the only klowns in every single of our matches that did not 'camp cacoons lol

and ofc he trashtalked us

Saying 'We dont have a life and we're playing game 24/7

[random fern]

for real! I spent 100 because I bought it for my girlfriend and I... we both like to earn things the right way

[void zinc]

and actually left lobby lmao

[nocturne torrent]

Just tell me one thing, what is my incentive as someone who wants to earn things in game, bearing mind I spent the £50 over those who can do the same thing in a priv match which takes no skill, I’m not bashing it entirely it’s just true I think everyone knows that as it’s why they do it

[random fern]

Robin Hood... do you think this is a product of our current modern society? People are so used to "Participation Trophies" and never expecting to actually EARN anything? Just everything given to them?

[nocturne torrent]

It’s a huge problem with the game for sure, I mean I just don’t understand anyone who finds it fun to not earn a challenge when it’s called “challenge” like what

[random fern]

same. We must be living in a different world than them

[void zinc]

I understand your frustration and you'd have a point if this game wasn't casual. This game is suppose to be casual. You can still do everything your own way

[random fern]

But then... we run into the issue of WHY TRY, if everyone is just cheesing everything? One reason to earn a cosmetic is to show it off... if everyone already has it because they cheesed it... what is the point?

[nocturne torrent]

I get that I really do, but if it was so casual I’m really not sure there would be levels etc and unlockables that matter on levels which realistically earned faster by trying hard - which gives you more xp

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh I mean Freedia bro I respect your side of the argument of course as it’s only fair but how can you disagree with this point

[random fern]

Very good point! This isn't Wii Tennis

[void zinc]

The problem with that is very simple to solve. Devs can change exp gain from private 25-50% and people won't abuse private matches. I am truely against someone having twice more lvls than me just because they played private, but challanges and achievements are really not a big deal

[random fern]

Wait, I take that back. Even Wii Tennis is competitive

[void zinc]

It's Feedia, there's no R

Why people always read my name with R

[random fern]

Idk, that is how I mentally imagined your name too.

[bleak shard]

I would like to point out DBD is successful because it has almost every horror IP ever plus their own. The other thing I would like to say it's not an argument that solo players can't do what people do in a private lobby. Games like this encourage you to be social and play with strangers. If you don't want to make new in game friends that's a you problem not something that you've been restricted from.

[nocturne torrent]

I think achievements and challenges are a big deal - for example resurrecting a whole team as the last survivor right? You do it in a private match and it’s eh sure whatever not hard you just wait and someone lets you do it - in multiplayer this won’t happen often and it will give you quite the thrill of wow damn that actually was a crazy fun in game moment - that’s now ripped entirely cause a lot of people will now be cowardice claiming they have earned there stuff legit when in fact they have not

[void zinc]

Derek is a very reasonable player, let's see what he has to say

[random fern]

Also, THIS whole "it's casual" NEEDS TO STOP. Since WHEN is a PVP Multiplayer game EVER really "casual"?

Even FALLGUYS was competitive

[void zinc]

I love playing comp and casually. If I see a brand new player I won't destroy them the moment they spawn lmao.

It's all about the perspective my dude

[nocturne torrent]

I literally play with my friends, and idk what game you have been playing but me and my friends barely run into any players who talk in this game and I’ve played 40+ hours - we have found maybe 5 solid people are willing to communicate and play after the game is done - besides this point I can imagine it’s real difficult for people who solo q in a lobby where nobody talks as being a little crap especially when that’s there only way of earning challenges

[void zinc]

F13 was a blast and this is the first time after VHS that I am having a blast with an asym. Since VHS shut down, I haven't touched any asym games until KK

[bleak shard]

You would have to read from last night. I'm for everything in private lobbies. It's no different than saying friends only like in Helldivers in fact I would advocate for the name change so people would stop complaining about it.

[void zinc]

I rather have devs focus glitches, bugs and xp abuse than anything else tbh

[random fern]

Oh I wish I played VHS. The game looked promising. Why do devs have to be incompetent?

[void zinc]

People will keep crying about balance and whatnot no matter what is implemented

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh we have different perspectives on life I think if you are okay with private lobbies in the current state they are in

[bleak shard]

If you Play with friends and you have the numbers why would you do it public?

[void zinc]

devs made too many mistakes with marketing and advs that game, as well as just moving on to a different project. That was very stupid, but nothing I could've change

[random fern]

So true. They are probably one of those "participation trophy" and everything given to them people.

[bleak shard]

In fact every streamer plays private lobbies because then they don't have to deal with randos shouting the N word on their streams

[void zinc]

I don't know what happen last night and there are too many channels and topics on KK discord to track everything

[random fern]

Yeah, the monster balance needed re-worked too... but the game had VAST potential. Especially since it was a unique game not relying on an IP. Such a shame.

[nocturne torrent]

Me and my friends do it public we don’t have a 10 man team - I play with 3 other friends so there is 4 of us but most it’s 3 of us we would never do a private match it’s not fun in anyway shape or form to earn stuff that way- also randoms add fun to the game sometimes especially when they talk - I mean literally that’s how you find people in the first place

[nocturne torrent]

Never came across anyone who has said the n word let alone talked much lol and I’ve got 40 plus hours so idk

[void zinc]

VHS never had a problem with balance. All of us actual VHS players know each other and we can all say balance was never an issue. They even add 'danger sence' to monster very quickly. Problems were of a different kind.

[random fern]

Every streamer likes to cheese XP and challenges too.

[bleak shard]

Good for you I have in many games

In lobbies and when people get killed

[random fern]

They have a mute button for a reason my guy... OR, go to settings and turn off voice

[nocturne torrent]

Welp sorry for that but I think that’s just how people are tho unfortunately- online they are very online lol

[void zinc]

People just assume VHS had problem with balance because they played game for 2 hours and left negative review without any wish trying to learn a different team based horror asym

[nocturne torrent]

Right guys I’ve gotta head out, so I’ll be back to further continue this Great War against the private servers 😂😂

[random fern]

What happened to people? Guessing you never played old school Call of Duty? You would literally have a heart attack in those lobbies if you are so sensitive of gamer words

[void zinc]

I have around 1000 hours in HVS, over 300 in closed beta and almost 700 in EA. Game was very special, so is Killer Klowns

I love how Killer klowns is a game between VHS and F13 in some aspects

[bleak shard]

Exactly but when you have Discords like this and you go out of your way to get your friends to buy this game you should have the option to play with those people only. I don't think people should be punished because a minority of people abuse private lobbies to get cosmetics.

[void zinc]

Safe travels

[random fern]

I am jealous. I want the game. There is still a server that hosts game lobbies (with a mod) for those who already bought it

[void zinc]

I can give you some of my vods and video's if you'd like? Still waiting our tournament host to upload fairwell tournament' videos

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh go for it play with friends in private lobbies I don’t have anything against that but why should be rewarded for having fun in a casual private lobby when players are trying to earn it with yeh harder people to communicate with in multiplayer??

[random fern]

sure! DM them to me

[void zinc]

I have to respond to this question by DM-ing you

[nocturne torrent]

Right I’m gonna shut up, but thankyou for the discussions

[random fern]

100%

[bleak shard]

There is virtually no difference between the 2 except you're choosing who you play with which will be people who actually play the game correctly as intended.

With mics and actual teams

Besides Illfonic has done this with every game they've made so the likelihood of this being changed is virtually 0 anyway

[random fern]

This is just not true. In a private lobby, you literally have the ability to set your preferences and cheese everything much easier.

[bleak shard]

As of tomorrow you will be able to set your preference in public

So try again

[random fern]

The only way it would be the same, is if you party up with 10 people in multiplayer matches

[bleak shard]

Ok and still doable

[random fern]

Bro... you have no argument. I don't know why you want to cheese everything so badly.

[bleak shard]

And if they farm with a 10 man party then whose going to say anything

Your arguments are moot and lack any substance

[random fern]

You are projecting now.

[bleak shard]

You just assume I and everyone else want to cheese thing that's not projecting those are your words. These are you problems.

Not me

[random fern]

You can literally sum up your arguments as "NO! I don't want to earn everything the normal way, I want to boost and cheese"

Literally.

[bleak shard]

No that's your argument is everyone will do that

False

Stop projecting

As you want to say

[nocturne torrent]

Play the game correctly lol? Ahhh all the survivors are dead, so me as a known won’t kill the last one I’ll show my friend where the resurrection machine is so he can revive them, yeh seems pretty fair and legit that

[random fern]

I call a spade a spade.

♠️

[nocturne torrent]

Everyone is doing that lol

[random fern]

Exactly! didn't we JUST 15 min ago in a differnent chat have a guy post an image of a challenge he completed in a private match that he cheesed?

[bleak shard]

That happens in public so again I'm saying you can play with people you know will play the game as intended in private

It's not a hard concept

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh as of tomorrow and doesn’t mean you’ll get what you want as everyone will most likely set preferences to klowns as it’s harder to come by

Priv lobbies guarantee there’s a stark difference

[bleak shard]

As it stands now people lobby dodge to get what they want anyway

[nocturne torrent]

I don’t so again you’re projecting just like what you claimed the other dude in this chat is doing lol

[random fern]

Bro... this is literally "I want to play normally with a challenge" VS "No! I want to boost and cheese because it's too hard".

[nocturne torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/wii-sports-baseball-out-of-the-park-home-run-wii-gif-24548729

[bleak shard]

Honestly playing 100s of hours of F13 in private lobbies with the same 20 or so people in a tight community who wanted to do it as intended it absolutely is the best way

So whatever think what you guys want

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh sure, but why should you get the same level of rewards for having fun?

Just have fun

It’s not difficult

[random fern]

yep 100%

They want to bake the cake and eat it too

[nocturne torrent]

It can’t be that fun if you need the rewards and I’m sorry but the xp abuse is absurd

[bleak shard]

Because we played the game the same as everyone in a public lobby but we didn't have to play team abusers and screaming teenagers

[void zinc]

it took a while to send them all the content I've made lol

[bleak shard]

So you want to play with many random cheaters, exploiters, hackers whatever you do you

[random fern]

Derek, go into a VC lobby once on this server. It is usually people asking "Who wants to party up and go into a private match" --- to boost and cheese

[nocturne torrent]

If it gets to that point I’m not gonna play the game lol

[bleak shard]

That's a you problem

[random fern]

nobody but the boosters will... until they get bored. THEN--- DEAD GAME.

[bleak shard]

I'm done explaining this. Illfonic won't change it anyway so keep complaining IDC

[void zinc]

Yes, that's the part I wanted to add. By having option to grind achievements and challenges in private, there's much lesser chance of having cheaters and hackers. I've seen more than a couple of people having all achievements on steam with like 10 hours gameplay and they don't have even VAC bans lol

as I said, xp abuse is the issue here and I believe they'll lower gain of xp in private matches

[nocturne torrent]

How are you grinding achievements in priv if your friends are letting you get them?

I don’t understand that

They should lower it to 0% you don’t need xp to have fun

It’s ridiculous

[random fern]

200iq

[bleak shard]

Assuming that's what everyone is doing instead of idk playing the game as intended

[nocturne torrent]

But tonnes of people are doing that lol

[bleak shard]

Who cares

[void zinc]

I've focused mostly achievements rn. I did like 95% in quick play and last night I did like 3 on a private match with friends, actually the last one was lvl 100 and it was on quick play too

[bleak shard]

If it's not me idc

[random fern]

Yep! Remember "It is casual fun"! Why do they need the rewards if they just want to have fun, casually?

[bleak shard]

I don't care if you get a cosmetic

[void zinc]

Challenges I wanna focus more on full release

[nocturne torrent]

This is what the game has become lol

[bleak shard]

I only care about playing the game with people I like

[random fern]

in a private lobby so your friends can help you get them?

[bleak shard]

Fuck everyone else

Get it now

[nocturne torrent]

I just do both, me and my friend legitimately earn stuff in quick play it’s simple and more rewarding

[void zinc]

We all helped each other. Majority had only 2-3 left. All of us are Quick player players

[random fern]

Farming sesh!? yep, that is WHO disagrees with us

[void zinc]

So by playing Quick play you can easly unlock them regadless

[nocturne torrent]

No you can’t

[void zinc]

huh?

[nocturne torrent]

What are you on about?

[void zinc]

🩷 But some randoms with good soundboards gave me a blast too lmao

[nocturne torrent]

The problem is we see your guys point of wanting to play with friends not toxic people but you refuse to see ours except Feedia cause you agree with the xp abuse is bad

[random fern]

You said "in quick play you can EASILY get them" ---- No, we can't. We actually have to EARN them the right way. Not "easily" have our friends stand still so we can bop them in the nose.

[bleak shard]

I would rather play with a full lobby if people I know or friends if same. Hopefully tomorrow when the game actually releases and we can invite each other I will actually be able to have numerous fun games in a row instead these no talking body blocking randos

It's really taken a lot of the fun away for me

[nocturne torrent]

Sounds like you are just a skill issue I don’t have any of these problems in quick play except the bugs that are in the game

[bleak shard]

I made to 53 but it was struggle

[nocturne torrent]

You’re level 53 from priv?

[random fern]

same

no issues like that.

[bleak shard]

News flash I haven't had anyone to play with privately

[random fern]

but BUGS and ppl TEAMING

[bleak shard]

It's all public

And I hate it

So I can't wait

These weekend is going to be fun for a change

[nocturne torrent]

Bruh, I play with my friends in public and despite the games flaws that ruin the experience occasionally we have fun

[random fern]

sounds like you need to stick with single player games, my guy.

[nocturne torrent]

A lot of fun actually as I’m level 83 from just public games

[void zinc]

Again, challenges and achievemnts should be a personal preference doing them the way you like. As I said, I unlocked 95% of achievements by playing QP and without some 'sweat'. The thing we all agree here, is the exp abuse. I love people griding levels fair and square and xp gain on private matches should not be the same as in Quick play. They should probably put %25 xp gain on private tbh when I think more about it since 15 min can be a lot of some uncreative people lol

[bleak shard]

You really can't read. So just stop talking to me. I'm done wasting my energy with you

[void zinc]

I am not that far reaching a 1000 lvl in a different game and xp gain there is around 1 lvl per hour, so I do have a problem if some players reach lvl 1000 here fast

[random fern]

I think I am stuck at 50... was 50 yesterday and today. Played quite a bit of matches. Must be a bug?

[void zinc]

I think I am at 101 or 102 lvl

[nocturne torrent]

Hmm yeh no that is odd, I’ve only ran into when it says like -01 to -02 lol

[random fern]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-monke-monkey-cry-gif-11763130847124576621

[random fern]

I might have to just restart my game. Didn't think about that. I did leave some matches once I escaped after I learned that XP is recorded in real time

[nocturne torrent]

Can’t reply original message lol

[random fern]

He did that to me yesterday too. Very rude fella

[void zinc]

This entire debate does feel like a bit of waste of time. But I hope people see positive sides of it rather than negative ones

[random fern]

It is only negative, only positive for the people that want to boost and cheese

that is the issue

[void zinc]

You're very wrong, and Derek was actually very respectful and reasonable with all previous debates he had with other people. You must crossed his line of patience.

[random fern]

he doesn't like people that disagree with him, and prove him wrong and point out his errors in logic

[nocturne torrent]

It’s not a toxic debate in the slightest tbf, as both sides clearly highlight huge issues with the game, I mean if you feel forced to go priv matches just shows the lack of punishment to those who rage quit / DC when getting captured/killed in multiplayer or who talk crap in game

[void zinc]

Anyhow, long story short, I've said my peace. XP abuse a big NO, challenges and achievements YES

I hope you two manage to find enjoyment in this game as I did

[random fern]

At least you have HALF a brain... lol j/k

[nocturne torrent]

Eh achievements sure, challenges and xp no

[random fern]

🙂

[random fern]

Fully agree

[void zinc]

GL debating with others on this subject

[random fern]

feel free to join our cause. We want to make Killer Klowns Great...now.... yeah

@nocturne torrent Thoughts, after you debated a little with the opposing side?

anything new or different? or the same? They just want to cheese and boost?

[nocturne torrent]

The same lol

[random fern]

yep, I agree. They don't actually have an argument... they try to just have mental gymnastics around "I want to cheese and boost". That is all

At least @void zinc is halfway on board. That is good.

[nocturne torrent]

Yeh respect to @void zinc

[random fern]

respect.

I hope the game devs reads this thread.

🙏

[void zinc]

I'm an old gamer and I like playing fair and square. XP was always something I respected in each game and people who gained their lvls fairly without any abuse. And you two please stop tagging me lol, I want to see what others are talking about.
Thank you for the debate as well

[bleak shard]

I just don't have time for discussions where other people go my opinion is a fact and then insult you because you won't bow to their nonsense. After that I'm done.

[random fern]

You just said it! 100% "FAIR AND SQUARE". That is what this is all about. Everyone playing on equal ground. The game shouldn't encourage boosting and cheesing by having the ability for ppl to boost and cheese. People take the path of least resistance.

[nocturne torrent]

I’m not insulting you. There was at no point tho did you agree with us xp abuse in priv matches are bad

[bleak shard]

I wasn't talking about you

[random fern]

when did I insult you? Pointing out logical errors in your arguments is not the same as insulting. You are the one who insulted me.

TheDerekRubyShow — Today at 9:25 AM
You really can't read. So just stop talking to me. I'm done wasting my energy with you

That is pretty insulting.

[nocturne torrent]

Well thanks then lol

[random fern]

You know... I can spot gaslighting and projection from a mile away. Those manipulation tactics don't work with me 😉

[bleak shard]

No when you get me to a certain point I'm done I'm 42 and am not going to argue till I'm blue in the face over a video game. So you can go play a single player game and kick rocks

[void zinc]

Okay dude, for the last time let me explain to you what do I mean by 'FAIR AND SQUARE'
Challenges and achievements are personal preference if you want to do them and they way you want to do them and it was actually a** good idea Dev**s letting people getting them in private matches because a lot of players are planning just to play with friends.
XP abuse is something I am highly against because as I said, 95% of my xp is from Quickplay matches and quickplay should be priority of getting xp while I'd leave 25% gain on private matches.
I'd like game to have resonable lvls compared to their playtime and that's we all agree about.

[random fern]

I never said that. I replied to a comment you made about how you hate public lobbies and hate ppl talking because of n-words and such. All I said was, "Maybe you should stick to single player games, my guy" --- How is that insulting. It is the logical conclusion and solution to your complaints.

[random fern]

I was literally agreeing with you lol

not completely, but fair and square I agree with

[void zinc]

Okay, thank you. Now let me be on other channels

[random fern]

Achievements I am okay with, Challenges we disagree

[nocturne torrent]

You may aswell play single player in a priv lobby - this is just a joke btw

[random fern]

@bleak shard Plus, Derek. This is all about trying to make the game better for all of us. I hope you also want the game to be successful? These discussions should be a way for us to reason with each other and hopefully the devs can read them and fix the game.

So far though, I haven't heard an argument of substance from the opposing side...

1.) I don't like multiplayer games, but I play them and I like the ability to earn XP and Challenges in a private match even if it hurts the multiplayer side of the game for everyone else

OR

2.) I want to boost and cheese (said in mental gymnastics)

[bleak shard]

Nobody says they didn't like multiplayer games. I just can't anymore.

[random fern]

@nocturne torrent am I about correct on my assessment so far?

[random fern]

Derek... what is the conclusion to "I don't like playing in public lobbies" , "I like to earn XP in private matches against bots" and "I don't like hearing ppl talk because of n-words and such" -----? THAT is multiplayer games.

I mean, tell me when I'm telling lies.

[bleak shard]

Before i go to the dentist

[random fern]

@bleak shard And Derek, I can sympathize with you... There are a lot of ppl who are mad that they didn't have a single player story mode in this game. Could it be possible that you are just trying to compromise because they didn't add a story mode? I can see that, if that is the case.

[bleak shard]

The arguments I hear is I don't like it it's not fair it will kill the game it's a fact

1. Its not fair. Since you could do it if you wanted that's invalid.
2. It will kill the game. It didn't jille Friday or Ghostbusters
3. It's a fact. Its an opinion not a fact that's a fact.
4. You don't read half of what I say so this is pointless.

[random fern]

1-3 we have demonstrated and provided substance to why those are true. #4 is you projecting, because this list proves that. You didn't read half of what we said.

[bleak shard]

You demonstrated nothing and as many times as you put words in my it tell me you don't read what I say.

[random fern]

Derek, putting what you said into their logical conclusions isn't putting words in your mouth.

It is actually demonstrating that I did read what you said, and took the time to think about them enough to come up with their logical conclusions.

I even listed step by step what you said, then demonstrated how when you put them together it equals the logical conclusion.

You gave no argument for that. No refutation. You quit the conversation. Which means, you conceded.

[bleak shard]

Lol I'm in a dentist chair at you at least made me laugh saying this is logical

[random fern]

Glad I can make you laugh!

I hate dentists.

[bleak shard]

I never conceded anything that's not how that work. I disagree with you that's it convo over.

[random fern]

Well, I am a professional debater in my free time... When your opponent gives you a push back on your argument, and all your response is "You can't read, you are wrong, I'm not wasting my time".... THAT is conceding the argument, because you gave no argument.

do you see?

[bleak shard]

Well this isn't a professional debate setting. The fact that you've never acknowledged my arguments is the point.

[random fern]

Yes I did. I can give a summary right now. 1.) You don't like public lobbies (for various reasons) 2.) You want to be able to earn XP and Challenges in private matches 3.) What does it matter if people can abuse the system, if they can abuse it anyways in public matches ---- That is a summary. Did I steelman that correctly?

So, my conclusion was this: 1.) I don't like multiplayer games, but I play them and I like the ability to earn XP and Challenges in a private match even if it hurts the multiplayer side of the game for everyone else

Now, you have yet to actually refute that.

[native lion]

Derek is just complaining to complain and has no good refutation

[nocturne torrent]

Factsssss

[bleak shard]

@native lion @nocturne torrent I never complained the game is how I want it. So what's there to complain about. You guys are the ones that want to change the game. If you ever Played Ghostbusters, F13 or Predator then you would no this won't change so. Illfonic makes games the way they make them. Lol

[nocturne torrent]

Apparently with bugs

[bleak shard]

You know I'm talking about buga lol

[native lion]

F13 isn't this game, that argument is irrelevant

This is supposed to be a casual game so why not help completionists

[nocturne torrent]

Cause they are called challenges where is the fun in people letting you get them without earning them lol

[native lion]

Except some challenges aren't like that

Pulling people out of hiding spots isn't gonna happen quickly because barely anyone actually does that

There's quite a few luck based challenges

[nocturne torrent]

True that, so it will take time, not a problem really at all

What’s the point in speed running the unlockables

[small snow]

Robert d yap

[nocturne torrent]

Who is Robert lol

[nocturne torrent]

Idk mate I’d argue world of Warcraft a multiplayer game was thriving around the time if not before the ps2 so irrelevant take on gaming if I’m honest - and I don’t even like wow myself

RuneScape aswell lol

[small snow]

Ngl flying gorilla is Peak tho

[torn ether]

Narc

[native lion]

Did they change this or no

[small snow]

I Hope not

[quartz orbit]

It’s not giving anybody an advantage so there’s not a problem.

[quartz orbit]

There’s no advantage it’s cosmetics. Calm down lol

I can in private😂

Look if you don’t like it. Play something else. It’s cosmetics maybe friends don’t want to play with randoms. It’s not a big deal.

Games are only “dead” to the people who stop playing. I played Socom back in the day there were no unlockables and that went on for years. Just say you hate anybody having fun that’s not your type of fun. Have a good one bud ✌️

[vernal vault]

I like the private matches, mostly where I play solo, because it gives me th opportunity to enjoy the game. There are no game breaking items in the game. I'm not that great with the multiplayer because I don't understand the movement and hitboxes of characters. I'm glad private matches allows me to do this. It sucks because there are some challenges that need to be done in MP, but totally relies on random people being at certain points

[ebon ingot]

I dont get why everyone says DbD folks come to Killer Klowns 99% of the playerbase from KKFoS is Xbox/Playstation and the portion of console dbd players is very slim compared to the pc fanbase and considering KKFoS playerbase is already way more toxic then DbDs is, especially with the negative downside of the game having VC. But overall to say something about this topic aswell private games rewarding xp and challenges isnt something bad imo atleast not for Killer Klowns, i mean what does it do for you? You get XP what does the level get you? Amazing 8 total weapons that most "perhaps younger generation people who play 18 hours a day anyway" get in less then a day regardless. The game isnt competetive yet at all there is no MMR no SBMM or anything thats in other Asyms. So god chill man. The cosmetics are for the most part atleast killer wise not even worth playing for and all the weapons feel somewhat similiar in terms of power each have a weaker and stronger side to them dont really feel the necessity to "balance it out" by removing the way of "farming it" which doesnt even take longer then 8 hours playtime regardless of if you farm or play normally the progression in general is super fast. Just leave it in for awkward challenges if people dont wanna go thru the pain to do it in actual matches, if people want to play premade with friends let them have their fun and get rewarded for it, its that simple.

[plush mauve]

The reason to keep playing is cause it's fun? Not because everyone has a cosmetic that you don't have..

[summer abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/chao-garden-chao-sonic-we-dont-care-meme-ratio-playing-gif-26069397

[small snow]

https://tenor.com/view/joueur-du-grenier-no-fun-fun-fun-is-not-allowed-stop-it-gif-16558170

[trail zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/pon-gif-15097379091171620462

[latent meteor]

I agree with you're idea I don't want this game to die and people grinding xp is a main part of games but it's not fair there playing with buddy's just giving out free xp,then what's the point of xp by then?

[bleak shard]

I can't believe people are still talking about this lol. 47 downvotes.

[latent meteor]

I'm just reading some suggestions

[bleak shard]

It seems the overwhelming majority based off vote if this post don't want this change yet it goes on for weeks.

[warm portal]

I know I'm late to this convo but just let bro yap

[nocturne bluff]

Love how this dudes WHOLE argument is that making challenges feasible in private makes the rewards worthless..

Bro, they're cosmetics, already worthless lmao

[restive spindle]

You know this is an illfonic game? Might end up going mia in the near future 😆