Nerf Blue-Shell's Sidebumps to Normal Knockback Instead of Groundpound/Removal (ONLY)

[calm pagoda]

thats another problem

it was just kind of added without any proper consideration / dedicated playtesting

[restive carbon]

PLEASE!

[spark raptor]

well shit no wonder we have this now

😭

[pearl blaze]

i mean, like, you were "i need to release this TODAY"

[calm pagoda]

i was tired of it getting delayed

[restive carbon]

And now that we see it getting cheesy kills in FFA, I personally think it's annoyingly powerful for a mere tap.

[earnest sphinx]

well this in turn is good feedback (and a fuck ton of it too)

[proud frigate]

like if Blue Shell did normal knockback here you'd die

[earnest sphinx]

but the idea of the shell bump is solid because it doesn't make blueshell dogshit

[restive carbon]

the problem is how split people are

[calm pagoda]

with the minimum speed requirement change, no it woudlnt :)

[earnest sphinx]

womp womp

[restive carbon]

but Idk why a bunch of people are defending it with their lives

[earnest sphinx]

people are gonna be mad

[restive carbon]

W

[pearl blaze]

pee is so tuff

[spark raptor]

You arent supposed to take that type of approach regardless of the other guy’s power up anyway

[restive carbon]

This is a bad example though. 😭 🙏

[spark raptor]

bad example yeah

[earnest sphinx]

is it ok to disagree with every decision? of course
is it ok to drag it on because you wanna whine? go get a fucking spoon and feed yourself, quit sipping on your baby bottle

[restive carbon]

I need to get the montage again...

Ignore the fact that many people are "being dumb" or whatever.

[real vector]

god i swear this is like the millionth time ive seen this video

[restive carbon]

the ones at 0:14 and 0:22 are fairly good clips and show that it can catch people off guard

[restive carbon]

I worked hard on it. 😔 🙏

[proud frigate]

everytime I think about "OK y'know I think Blue Shell sidebumping is too much" I keep remembering this

[restive carbon]

,m.n xzcdf ,mnmn,hd sm,kn mfdga.mjhfm kdafd mh

jknbadfkljhhf dkj hjkflndakjnhfdajknlhdfanljkhfd

[potent gull]

It's mvlo propaganda, it's how you get ideas through people's head nowadays it seems
notoss been doing it since forever

[spark raptor]

boy hush

[restive carbon]

no

[real vector]

the only thing im against is just the weird interactions between the sidebump, sometimes you take damage, sometimes you dont or whatever

[proud frigate]

yeah

[pearl blaze]

YES ITS THE COLLISION THING

[proud frigate]

that's not sUPposed to happen

[pearl blaze]

ITS PATCHED

[real vector]

luckily thats a bug

[proud frigate]

I'm an insane fox train, not an unfair one

[potent gull]

we need the patch 🙏

[earnest sphinx]

couldn't we just make this easier and make a poll somewhere?

like an announcement poll on the blue shell changes

[potent gull]

then we'll see if it needs further tuning

[real vector]

i mean yeah the sidebump can be annoying at times but it dont bother me that much

[restive carbon]

WHEN THE IMPOSTER IS SUS! AMONG US! OHIO RIZZ!
THE SIGMA IS COMING. HELP THED THA BLUE SHELL SIDEW BUIMP
THE REAL SIDE BUPM TAP POWERULFUL
FIRE BALL LITTLE MAC WHATEVER THT FRIEKSC
HELP UPDATE LIFE AMONG US SIGMA

[earnest sphinx]

the knockback is too much
thats it

[silk gazelle]

Meow meow meow meow meow meow

[spark raptor]

brought this up several times, ipod almost made one
…then nothing happened… :/
so oh well

[proud frigate]

I kinda wish there was like, a version that'd have the patch, but that's it

[pearl blaze]

SON

[earnest sphinx]

ok then

[restive carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-when-summer-gif-17933637

[earnest sphinx]

make a poll on the blue shell changes

[proud frigate]

I think the glitchy interaction with the blue shell stomping is what really GOt people GOing

[earnest sphinx]

get this shit over with

[restive carbon]

he is gonna

[pearl blaze]

saving this thank you

[vital cradle]

hi buppfuser

[restive carbon]

saving what

[earnest sphinx]

yoooo

:p

[restive carbon]

JKOIN THE CONBVO!

[earnest sphinx]

dms

[restive carbon]

BECOME INSANE WITH US!

[potent gull]

Maybe. I can't say for sure but it's definitely the #1 most frustrating thing in the game at the moment

[pearl blaze]

You're alone on this one lil bo

[real vector]

ur like the only one being insane here im sorry

[restive carbon]

true

[proud frigate]

I think it is tbh

[earnest sphinx]

no its not

you're overreacting

[restive carbon]

I've been sane for most of the convo up until like 10 minutes ago.

I go only go in circles one too many times.

[real vector]

and in the next update star fountain is gonna take #1 again!

[spark raptor]

He’s having fun and being overdramatic on purpose
-# but people aren’t gonna understand that and he’s just gonna look like an idiot

[proud frigate]

nah we're bringing back the knockback stomp

[real vector]

lies

[restive carbon]

Thanks for slightly defending me. lolz

[potent gull]

Well it's not like I'm crashing out everytime but i don't see what's more annoying than that atm

[restive carbon]

Because yes, I was being sarcastic in those stupid crashout moments.

Because I'm so done with this convo.

[proud frigate]

I hope so

[real vector]

then quit it

[restive carbon]

nvm I can keep going

[proud frigate]

fuck me sideways

[real vector]

fuck me sidebump

[pearl blaze]

he's lying dont trust him
snayp losing in vc is the worst thing you can ever imagine

[restive carbon]

✨ destroying the blue shell side bump is my passion ✨

[spark raptor]

is upside down okay

[pearl blaze]

spiderman style

[proud frigate]

blud's not a a goldfish, elegant, gentle

anyways my last thing to say on this, I wanna see the patch that fixes the weird glitchy blue shell interactions, if it's still bad after that patch, then we better fucking nerf the Blue Shell

@calm pagoda ^

[pearl blaze]

it was 1500 just a few minutes ago and now its 2000

[calm pagoda]

i'm changing the knockback strength to normal for the next patch

[real vector]

spooky scary blue shell send sidebumps down your spine

[calm pagoda]

BOTH are a problem;
the knockback being GP strength
the glitchy interactions

[pearl blaze]

SPOOKY SCARY MENTION

Ok

sounds fair

Btw be sure to call the playtesters before hahaha

[real vector]

especially snayp

[pearl blaze]

isnt that right booty clarp

[real vector]

yes yes

send everyone

[vital cradle]

id recommend to playtest with a different number of players

[calm pagoda]

i will leave out the speed requirement

[worthy robin]

ah :'3
well im glad this set the precedent that all someone needs to do to get a change in is to be extremely annoying everywhere in the server all at once,,,

[calm pagoda]

i already agreed on it getting nerfed?

[proud frigate]

GOnna ruin the blue shell trust me

[worthy robin]

but what about everyone saying how its fine here!!!

[real vector]

trust me sideways

[worthy robin]

the post didnt even get that many stars,,,

[spark raptor]

source sideways

[real vector]

scientifically sideways

[calm pagoda]

it has no stars cuz the og post was deleted

[proud frigate]

the star that flies out is GOnna land on the player that GOt knocked back

[worthy robin]

yeye ik :3

but when it was up it had like-

7 :3

thats what i meant!

[real vector]

73 👽

[earnest sphinx]

finally

[restive carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-3-squid-game-season-3-gi-hun-front-man-gif-310917822261103384

[spark raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-for-your-loss-loss-meme-heart-locket-locket-open-gif-my-beloved-heart-gif-4089629821230738603

[restive carbon]

Glad you are speaking your truth about me. 🥀

[worthy robin]

-# sorry :'3

i would like you to see how many messages you sent here and in discussion however :'3

[restive carbon]

You know it was the same way around for me to you guys too. 😭 🙏
But seriously no hard feelings. I got very devoted to this but it was kind of over the top from me sometimes. I do understand I was annoying sometimes. I'm sorry.

[spark raptor]

618 messages in this thread alone

[restive carbon]

🤷‍♂️

[spark raptor]

~30% of the entire conversation

https://tenor.com/view/dead-rat-remy-remy-dies-ratatouille-rat-gif-9274384800841473522

[restive carbon]

I had a lot to say.
I was also mainly fighting for it to be nerfed/removed since it seemed everyone all of the sudden liked it again.

[restive carbon]

Sorry not to keep beating a dead horse but I would be frustrated too if this is all that it took.
But I think I provided good reasons as for why I thought it was annoying. And ipod agreed. He also had things I didn't even think of to add as to why it was a bit annoying.
It also felt frustrating when the other side had a lot of weak arguments. (NOT saying they were all weak.) I was a broken record because I had to be one sometimes. Even ipod outed some bad arguments.
Again, sorry I sometimes went too far. But it's not getting changed because I'm "annoying" or something. 🙏

[spark raptor]

wrap it up bub time to touch grass 🤓 👆

[restive carbon]

Just trying to reach a conclusion with no bad blood bro. 🙏 Just let it happen.

[proud frigate]

for me I just don't get it, Blue Shell isn't as GOod as fire, it's just kicking an already sub-par powerUP down

[restive carbon]

or stopping a tap from flinging... which is weird

[proud frigate]

Im off to prepare my 1000 messages to nerf the fire flower

[restive carbon]

Your whole argument to compare fire flower and blue shell isn't great. ipod was even telling you this.
Fire flower is annoying and strong sometimes. We get it. It's just that being tapped by the side of a slow moving blue shell flinging you feels incorrect. Idk how many times I have to bring this up. I'm sick and tired of having to sound like a broken record when you KEEP bringing up old topics that were talked about 50 times beforehand.

It's annoying when y'all keep pointing your fingers at me for being the one that yaps too much and is annoying WHEN YOU GUYS DO THE SAME THING! I only have to keep repeating myself because you keep repeating old arguments!!! 😭

[proud frigate]

being combod feels incorrect, some people even said it was a bug

[restive carbon]

It was annoying and I did dislike 2.0 comboes at first.............. and I still kind of do. 💀
And sometimes they don't make sense. Sure. But at least they kind of fit in the ballpark I'd say.
But a mere tap making you go into the most powerful fling in the game is odd. It's literally unintuative. And it doesn't take much skill.

But don't take it from me.

[proud frigate]

combos take no skill, its unintuitive and ruins games

i fail to dodge one fireball and lose all my stars and my life

[restive carbon]

comboes DO take skill

[proud frigate]

no they dont

[pearl blaze]

What the FUCK do you mean combos take no skill

[restive carbon]

notoss I can't take your arguments seriously if they make no sense
(this sentence is stupid and I'm tired)

[earnest sphinx]

holy shit bro this argument cannot be this good 😭

[restive carbon]

As if the Blue Shell couldn't get anymore more powerful. 😭 🙏

[pearl blaze]

WHAT THE FUCK

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Send the replay bro i need it

[proud frigate]

touching grounded blue shell makes it move

[restive carbon]

I don't remember that being a thing before. 😭 🙏 Like as in making the blue shell a fast moving blue shell. Even if it can, it was immediate. It's so weird!!! 💀

[calm pagoda]

can you get a viedo of the og game

[calm pagoda]

at zero speed i mean

like in the fortress clip

when already pushing too

[calm pagoda]

so if you're already touching it doesnt

what if mario is stationary and the shell slides into him

[calm pagoda]

weirddd

[proud frigate]

not really

OK maybe

they already implied that Blue Shell is "heavy" with the knockback it gives

but it also does this

[pearl blaze]

Hold up, switch characters

[proud frigate]

it happens the other way around, trust me bro

[pearl blaze]

show me

[proud frigate]

I have to open melonDS, for a 5th time today

[pearl blaze]

Oh Okay

[proud frigate]

"now do it with Wario"

[restive carbon]

What.

[restive carbon]

That last part was NOT necessary. 😭 🙏

[restive carbon]

This still looks incredibly odd. Maybe it makes sense though. Idk. At least it's not side bump. 💀

[jolly cypress]

ok but its true that blue shell deserves a big nerf

[real vector]

You say that now?

[wind granite]

Bro new trick collected👽

[restive carbon]

Where were all the blue shell nerfing people when I was having like a 1v3. 😭 🙏

[proud frigate]

y'know what

you guys convinced me to nerf the blue shell

[pearl blaze]

For the love of mario god just dont overdo it

changing the sidebump KB is enough

[stray portal]

More changes... Again...

[pearl blaze]

🤡

[stray portal]

No chance of getting used to anything...

[proud frigate]

but nerfing it to normal knockback is too much imo

middle ground will be needed

[earnest sphinx]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALREADY DECIDED ON

[storm plume]

cant you just do something like making the blue shell require mario/luigi to actually be on the side to get gp knockbacked?

he gets gp knockback when touching the blueshell on the side with his feet. It should only count as a side bump when its near the chest/head instead

[proud frigate]

?

[storm plume]

@proud frigate https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956396409731551266/1494980824498438164/Replay_2026-04-18_03-25-01_-_Trim.mp4?ex=69e494e3&is=69e34363&hm=a828799724e317d8e053dcbe9b7db5594b06e4499383a42880ffcddd7c611faf&

[proud frigate]

that's a bug

[storm plume]

yeah, but notice how the blueshell was supposed to get hit but it groundpounds the mario instead?

[proud frigate]

blue shell doesn't take knockback when you stomp on it while the blue sheller is in the shell (and not in attack mode)

[worthy robin]

yes thats a bug :'3

[storm plume]

yeah, but shouldn't mario not take knockback bc he hit the top of the blushell and get a shelljump instead?

[proud frigate]

that's the bug

[storm plume]

oh

[worthy robin]

you arent not supposed to get hit while above someone against blueshell :'3

that is unintentional :'3

[storm plume]

alr ty!

[worthy robin]

np!!! ^v^

[restive carbon]

WAIT, WHAT?

gg

[proud frigate]

yeah now I kinda want it nerfed

but not to Normal Knockback levels

in between normal and hip drop

and it'd apply for touching the blue shell at all, not just sidebumps but blue shell landing on players

[restive carbon]

🤷‍♂️ I prefer normal kb. No need to make it complicated. But to each their own.

[proud frigate]

I played with normal kb against Windows and it's pretty underpowered against a fire flower player and doesn't feel that great for the blue shell player

[restive carbon]

yeah but tapping someone with a side bump while barely moving SHOULD not do that much IMO

[proud frigate]

should be middle ground

a bit more than normal knockback at least

[restive carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[vital cradle]

"cuz why not"

[proud frigate]

just wait until you see my video

[proud frigate]

while Blue Shell sohuldn't be "this" strong it should still be strong and take stars

this powerUP was "so GOod" in the original that it'd override your Fire Flower, and due to the lower screesize

[restive carbon]

Okay but Idk if the tapping part should be buffed. Maybe a different part? It feels too powerful for someting you barely initiate.
The only issue is Idk how you would buff the powerup otherwise. When it's quickly moving, it's kind of perfect as is? Idk.
I know it's not a great powerup... but maybe sometimes we just need to be okay with some powerups not being as good. It would be a different story if the blue shell was completely useless though. I think it still has its uses.

[proud frigate]

thing is tho, how often can you be quickly moving with the blue shell, it's very very hard to be quickly moving especially on stages without hyper speed slopes

you have to shell hop and even then you don't GO at full running speed

[restive carbon]

???

you can quickly move anywhere

just start running a little bit and boom, done

I'm not talking about hyperspeed

[proud frigate]

not if you're GOing in your shell

[spark raptor]

small question
why do you always capitalize the GO
like GOing or GOod

[proud frigate]

https://www.gotransit.com/en

[spark raptor]

this is your Tomodachi Life quirk i see

delicious, delicious transit

[gaunt pagoda]

You forgot about UP

[proud frigate]

https://www.upexpress.com/en

[restive carbon]

I was confused on that too. 😅

[spark raptor]

Delicious, Delicious Transit
Merry, Merry Magalor
Rosy, Rosy Rose
King, Kitty, Turnip
Frosted, Frosty Cake
Steamed, Steamed Hams
Mindful, Mindful Nomad

[real vector]

what is bro saying

[spark raptor]

Cool, Cool Mountain my brother

[restive carbon]

Bro's lost it.

[spark raptor]

No. I’ve ascended

I’ve been enlightened

[upbeat nacelle]

oh no, this is still going

[spark raptor]

Nah arguments over
Knockback has been nerfed for next patch

[gaunt pagoda]

Not yet

[restive carbon]

I mean there are micro-arguments about small stuff but the main part is pretty much over I'd say.

gg

[upbeat nacelle]

:((((((

guess ill have to abuse it as much as i can now then

[gaunt pagoda]

Just the fact you use the word "abuse" tells how it is OP. Even if you don't want to admit it directly, unconsciously you said it

:D

[spark raptor]

lmao i have the same mindset

no more goofing off with this thing

[upbeat nacelle]

...What?

i can 'abuse' the use of the fire flower, and its not op is it?

I dont see your point.

[restive carbon]

I really... REALLY don't like comparing it to the fire flower.
Listen, the whole point as to why we see this as "OP" is because of the action that you are taking and how much power it punches not lining up... that being a small side tap flinging you across the stage!
You can "abuse" any powerup really. And yes, the fire flower is a REALLY good powerup. But sometimes some powerups aren't as good as others and that's okay
Like Blue Shell and Propeller are indeed on the weaker side. Could they use a buff? Probably! But this buff isn't it. That's the whole point. It doesn't add up for a side tap to basically be a ground pound.

[upbeat nacelle]

Im not compariong it to the fire flower. I'm saying that by saying 'abuse', that does not mean i am admitting it is op

In fact, i wasant taling about the shell at all

[restive carbon]

ah okay sorry just a bunch of people have already compared it to the fire flower

and Little Mac 😭 🙏

[upbeat nacelle]

rip mac

[jolly cypress]

nerf shell rn

[restive carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-3-squid-game-season-3-gi-hun-front-man-gif-310917822261103384

[upbeat nacelle]

im so sad

[restive carbon]

I genuinely don't know why.
Honestly just the past few days I've had EXTREMELY frustrating matches thanks to people using the blue shell and slowly jumping around.
It's difficult in tight spaces and timing a ground pound with someone that can jump as high as you very quickly WITH OTHERS around in FFA.

[wary harness]

why the hell is this thread having over 2200+ comments??

[restive carbon]

💀

[wind granite]

💀

[proud ivy]

adding the sidebump and its knockback is pretty accurate to the original sooooooo.....

(I can speak from experience since i trolled my sister with it last week lol on the og )

[restive carbon]

yeah but sometimes changes are better for this online version with up to 10 players
like having enemies drop a coin

also... does the side bump really fling you like that in the OG if ur slowly moving?

[potent gull]

Only mario can do it

[tribal parrot]

If blue shell is exactly like og game i dont see any issues with it

Side bump exists but it doesnt feel nowhere near "op"

Feels more skill base

-# Cant you tell i only play as mario

[proud ivy]

From what I remember, maybe not as far in online, but it is sort of close. I need to play again tomorrow to check. But yes, if does fling you whether you are immobile or slowly moving.

[proud frigate]

yes

[proud ivy]

Now wdym there

[proud frigate]

yeah Luigi can't do side bumps for some reason

[proud ivy]

Wait what????

[proud frigate]

he still does the hard knockback when landing on Mario while in shell, but no sidebumps

it's likely a bug that he can't do sidebumps

[proud ivy]

Maybe? I have to play again honestly it's been a while. You are probably right though

[proud frigate]

Grape keeps insisting it's a bug that Mario can do sidebumps but I think the other way around, after all sidebumps are something they had to explicitly code in, and they likely tested with Mario on Luigi but never decided to do the other way around, and the fact that Luigi can do hard knockback with landing just shows that they messed UP Luigi's version somehow

[potent gull]

you literally can't prove that

[restive carbon]

EVEN if the sidebump flings you in the OG, MVLO is a multiplayer game with up to 10 players.
Just like how enemies give coins now, I feel like the change makes MVLO specifically better.

[potent gull]

by that logic I want the star in the middle of the 2 pipes in grassland back

[proud ivy]

That's honestly the most logical statement because if you see old Nintendo games where you can play as 2+ characters, there are reasons why some people choose some characters over the others, it's just those forgotten glitches. What a Nintendo thing to do

[restive carbon]

We making stuff up to keep this buff now? 😭 🙏

[proud ivy]

[restive carbon]

Idk. 🤷‍♂️

[proud ivy]

[proud frigate]

the Blue Shell is also severely nerfed by MvLO's larger field of view tho....

[proud frigate]

learn to read first before saying that, I said why I believe sidebumps are intentional

[restive carbon]

that's a fair statement
but I don't feel like it helps make "sidebumps are good" a better argument. they still suck. they are still annoying. they are ridiculously powerful in FFA

[proud frigate]

I don't get it, you're saying they both suck but are also ridiculously powerful

[potent gull]

my point still stands

[restive carbon]

again, whether they were intentional in the OG MVL, I don't really care. 💀
they are extremely frustrating and annoying to deal with in MVLO

[potent gull]

the funny thing is that now crouching blueshell is stronger and more versatile than a running blueshell

[proud frigate]

yeah I can't prove it, but I can infer, and when the NSMBDS decomp finishes (and I'm still alive hopefully) I'll be right

[proud frigate]

it always was

[restive carbon]

then again, I have gotten used to them over time I must admit. but again again, they are still frustrating. Heck! Just today I've been annoyed by them!

[restive carbon]

it does not matter 🙏
we are talking about MVLO

[proud ivy]

This is true, but in the end, it is really Ipod's choice to really decide whether to keep accuracy/nostalgia OR comfort of life features to MvLO.

[potent gull]

before the sidebump it wasn't a threat like this

[proud frigate]

and that's a problem

[restive carbon]

Yes. And ipod seems to agree with me and is reverting the buff.

[potent gull]

a running blueshell should be stronger than a crouching one imo

[proud ivy]

[wheat harness]

https://tenor.com/view/bowser-bonk-concussion-falling-die-gif-16575417706396457926

[proud frigate]

a running blue shell is so easy to hip drop, you can see it on the minimap that it's not a threat

[restive carbon]

It's not useless outside this update. 😭 🙏
You are acting like the Blue Shell is unuseable without this.

[proud frigate]

it is

[restive carbon]

BRO!

😭

[proud ivy]

I just caused a whole war

[potent gull]

you can see anyone on the minimap and punish them
the approach is the problem

[proud frigate]

blue shell is the equvielant of the mini mushroom in MvLO

[restive carbon]

the Blue Shell has a lot of uses outside slowly moving and side bumping 🥀

[restive carbon]

no... you re-ignited a war lol

[proud frigate]

you can't mix UP your approach with blue shell attack

[proud frigate]

opponents literally do the same moves and techniques, hip drop, hip drop, hip drop

[restive carbon]

it is on the weaker side
but every game has weaker powerups. Mario Kart has weaker powerups.
but it's not on the same level as the mini

just because it is a weaker powerup, doesn't make it useless

[proud ivy]

Why are we on Mario Kart now

[proud frigate]

in the original, Blue Shell was SOooooooooooo strong that it would override your fire flower

[proud frigate]

yeah and those weaker powerUPs are for first place, which Blue Shell isn't for

[restive carbon]

and again, yes, you can argue that because it's on the weaker side, it deserves a buff
I can agree to that! but this suggestion thread is about the side bump... and it's annoying... and should be changed back

[proud frigate]

there is no other way to buff Blue Shell that's not giving it a projectile

[restive carbon]

Huh?

[proud ivy]

Yes it is true

[proud frigate]

yes, if you GOt a fire flower in the original and had a Blue Shell it'd GO into your reserve

[restive carbon]

Blue Shell can tank EVERYTHING besides ground pound!!! (and ofc starman and mega) it has uses!!!

[proud frigate]

the only way you could get fire flower is if you damaged yourself

[proud ivy]

It was probably Nintendos way of advertising the blue shell imo

[proud frigate]

so what, once you crouch the other player just has to hip drop you, and as soon as you uncrouch you get fireballed

[restive carbon]

play better? 🤷‍♂️

[proud frigate]

play better how?

[restive carbon]

I don't understand that statement.

[proud frigate]

You can't control your movement in the air while crouched

[restive carbon]

If you get in a bad spot with a blue shell, ur gonna get punished.

[proud frigate]

you're so predictable af when you crouch in blue shell

[proud ivy]

Ground pound cancel?

[proud frigate]

you're out of your shell though, asking to get fireballed

[restive carbon]

yes but it is easy to tap someone with a side bump
the arguement is that it should be reduced to normal KB or removed, NOT fling you across the stage!

[proud frigate]

their fault for running into you

[restive carbon]

not really at all

[proud ivy]

We got to stay on topic here guys

[proud frigate]

yes really

[restive carbon]

that's a bad argument and even ipod has shut it down

[proud frigate]

here we GO again

[restive carbon]

because MANY times you are put in a position where you can't avoid getting hit by the side bump

[proud frigate]

that's great

[restive carbon]

We are already going. 🥀

[proud frigate]

many times you are put in a position where you cannot avoid a fireball

yet no one is saying "nerf fire"

[restive carbon]

okay yes cool and you should get hit
but NOT flung!!!

should we invite ipod to the mix? 💀

[proud frigate]

fire has way more of a reward to its hit than blue shell does

you have been decencitized to how strong fire is

[restive carbon]

ipod can argue and bring up points better than I can.
these points you are bringing up have been TORN down before. I just can't think straight

[proud frigate]

ipod glazing right here

[restive carbon]

it's true tho 🤷‍♂️

[proud frigate]

you are so passionate about saying Blue Shell is STupIDLY STRONG yet you rely on someone else to back you UP

[restive carbon]

no! I'm passionate about saying the SIDE BUMP specifically is dumb!!!

[restive carbon]

I have the thoughts, I just can't argue well.

[proud ivy]

Alright listen, just NERF the sidebump, it is that easy. We do not have to choose between exterminating the side bump as a whole or keeping the insane knockback from the sidebump. We split the candy between accuracy and quality of life. Also what you could do to nerf it is make it a bit more difficult to sidebump but don't start arguing about that!

[proud frigate]

yeah and it is nerfed, but he keeps bringing it UP

[proud ivy]

More like me

[proud frigate]

bro it's his whole personality

[proud frigate]

nah not you

[restive carbon]

yeah give it knockback as if you were tapped on the head as a normal player by another normal player. THAT kind of KB. I'd rather it be like b4 with no KB but honestly... I'm warming up to the idea of a little KB

[proud frigate]

it does that

[restive carbon]

Hey! I didn't start the conversation... not this time. 👀💦 😅

[proud frigate]

lol

I am kinda happy with how it's dealt tho

[proud ivy]

Just wait for the next update and inform Ipod about this sidebump problem. Conversation done.

[proud frigate]

because, you can still land on another player and crush them, it's more of a sweetspot thing now

[restive carbon]

he knows and he is reverting it

[proud ivy]

Phew l

[restive carbon]

he's been in this thread arguing with us before

[proud frigate]

L?

and not a W?

[restive carbon]

💀

[proud ivy]

typo

[restive carbon]

me?

[proud ivy]

And I replied to the wrong comment

[proud frigate]

mfw you sent 800 messages in the thread

[proud ivy]

My brain is fried

[restive carbon]

I'm not denying I didn't argue???

[proud ivy]

And we're back to arguing.....

[restive carbon]

where the heck did you see me say I wasn't the main person fighting for this side bump revert? 😭

[restive carbon]

🤷‍♂️

[proud frigate]

nah but you are a main character now

[proud ivy]

Me?

[proud frigate]

no not you

[proud ivy]

[proud frigate]

you're sUPporting character

[restive carbon]

I am the main character. Thanks for noticing. 😏

I'm being sarcastic btw.

[silk gazelle]

has anything new been said or is this all filler

[proud ivy]

Supporting character even though I reignited the war

[proud frigate]

oh this is us just reigniting the flames... again..

[silk gazelle]

but like, why

[restive carbon]

there's talk about how the side bump was supposed to be a thing in the OG MVL so therefore it should be in MVLO
besides that, mainly all filler

[proud frigate]

it's a weekly tradition

we GOtta complain about somethin

[proud ivy]

You can scroll back up to see actual conversation between us 3

[restive carbon]

this conversation hasn't been that long tho

[silk gazelle]

id usually do that but this is blueshell so a lot of the things said here are time wasters lowkey

[restive carbon]

not compared to other times lol XD

[proud ivy]

Alright guys, good night I am glad we talked about this anyways

[silk gazelle]

night man!

[restive carbon]

there's been a SURPRISING amount of stuff to debate about

[restive carbon]

GN!

[proud ivy]

[proud ivy]

[proud frigate]

can we reach 3k messages?

[restive carbon]

Just scroll to the top and start reading. 💀
Granted, there's a lot of filler episodes in this Anime. But there are some banger 10/10 moments. Worth the watch. It's like One Piece ngl.

[restive carbon]

😭 🙏

WAIT, THIS IS NOW THE SUGGESTION WITH THE MOST COMMENTS I'M PRETTY SURE!

HISTORY HAS BEEN MADE! LOL

[proud frigate]

nah

[restive carbon]

Look!

* sheds tear *

[pearl blaze]

crop this shit up

[restive carbon]

???

oh like remove the empty space?

I just did like the whole thingy thing (my brain hurts)

[pearl blaze]

remove your brain yeah

[restive carbon]

here

[pearl blaze]

There we go

[restive carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-super-mario-bros-depression-sad-mario-and-luigi-gif-14815881022592239601

[violet schooner]

@calm pagoda thanks for porting this amazing game. It's helped me out a ton.

I'm sorry if anyone has made you feel any type of way-

but I hope you know I'm glad for what you've done.

[proud frigate]

glad for what

[violet schooner]

Just the game, and how it's personally helped me.

[proud frigate]

oh

[violet schooner]

Literally going through my entire family falling apart.

[proud frigate]

I'm glad the game is helping you through it

[violet schooner]

any time I can sneak on it, it helps me out a ton

[violet schooner]

^

so @calm pagoda

if there's anything YOU feel like needs considering

please do whatever is needed in a way you are comfortable with.

Sorry if the community is a bit rough.

Still maybe looking forward to that 1v1 one day- eh?

heh

anyways

thanks again

amazing project you have here

[restive carbon]

What type of filler episode is this?

A wholesome one it seems. Not sure why it was said here. 😭 🙏 But yeah no, ipod should be proud of the port/remake/remaster of this game. It's genuinely amazing.

[boreal gate]

this is not true

[restive carbon]

Okay so the OG game IS indeed that way.

[boreal gate]

this is just luigi's version

[restive carbon]

I have a 2DS and DS Lite. I could literally test this myself. lol

[restive carbon]

oooooooh I see

[boreal gate]

i honestly thought you'd know that at this point

[restive carbon]

🤷‍♂️

As much as it looks like the opposite, I don't think about blue shell side bump every minute of my life. lol

[proud frigate]

find it weird how Luigi bounces off like he was running into Mario while crouched

[boreal gate]

yeah that's luigi's little quirk
I'd be fine with not having that in particular though

[pearl blaze]

MvL is actually unbalanced omg*!!!*

[restive carbon]

GG!

[upbeat nacelle]

duuuude this is still going??

[restive carbon]

No. It's over. 👀

[proud ivy]

It will never end

[restive carbon]

It literally did though.
ipod changed it in the latest update.

[silk gazelle]

im glad it was a light nerf tho! notoss did a good job working on a middleground for this
-# at least I assume it was notoss lol

[pearl blaze]

There's no middleground?

I didn't play the newest version so im not sure

Is there??

[silk gazelle]

kind of yeah, if its got some speed to it itll still send flying, and it still sends flying from below

and the speed you need for that isnt that bad

[gaunt pagoda]

Is the bug where you get hit when you're clearly above fixed?

[ashen lily]

this is only semi related but I think I would be fine with the shell balancing changes if you could freeze shell players, maybe that makes the ice flower too strong tho lol

[ornate jay]

are over (i guess...)

[wheat harness]

holy coaly

[pearl blaze]

Uh what's the point of the clip here lol

[wind granite]

shell

[gaunt pagoda]

First hit is legit, 2nd hit didn't deal hard knockback. As a fervent hater of the blueshell changes, I think it's fine

The shelljump at the end was unnecessary cool xD

[restive carbon]

WOWIE!

I feel like that should be in #mvl-media and not here but sure. XD 😭 🙏

[loud sluice]

i like the new changes alot they make shell not utter garbage on pit maps

but can we bring back ice balls slowing down shells now

that was lost in 2.0 and before it was fine because ice was already op and shell was not but now ice isnt op and shell is so i think its time again lol

would also make ice flower a good powerup on ice which is quite thematic

[violet schooner]

the word is rad (shades)

[violet schooner]

I feel like I should have put the shell in motion instead of getting "hit"

[violet schooner]

I wish Ice Flower was more common

it's actually my favorite p-up I think

[restive carbon]

ngl... after playing with the new changes... I still think the side bump is annoying and too strong 💀

I'd have clips to show but the replay system is bugged.

[proud frigate]

Im all for ice being more of a counter to Blue Shell, in the New SoUP games you use it against enemies where fire doesnt work

[proud frigate]

I thought it was too much until someone said this

[gaunt pagoda]

Im very specific situations, it's still too OP. The same can be said about ice flower and hammer

[upbeat nacelle]

so... Still complaining after you got what you wanted?

new idea: remove blue shell

we should just remove blue shell because its WAY to op

[restive carbon]

dude you make it sound like I'm throwing a tauntrum over this
the ONLY reason the debate in this suggestion lasted as long as it did is because me and vin kept having counter points and it went in circles
if vin never did, I wouldn't have been this invested in this
all I'm saying is that it's still annoying to deal with. I did not say to dial it back. I'm not even really complaining. but if I have wild clips, I'll show them to back up what I mean

[pearl blaze]

Can you describe some of the clips

[restive carbon]

mainly just a blue shell that isn't really moving sending me flying as if it was. it's weird. maybe a bug.
honestly the clips thing and the me still finding the side bumps annoying are kind of unrelated? my brain hurts

[pearl blaze]

groundpound strength still?

you're going underneath blueshell

it still gives that knockback

[restive carbon]

it could be that it could be that

I wish my clips saved 😭 🙏

[pearl blaze]

Idk what you want us to do

Removing it will make it lame again imo

[restive carbon]

no no it's fine as it is

man I really shouldn't have said I still dislike it 💀 I was just voicing my rage at that one comment

it was mainly just a blue shell not moving that still sent me flying once or twice that seemed like a bug

[upbeat nacelle]

soooo... you dont think it was nerfed enough because something happened once?

[restive carbon]

no gosh

[upbeat nacelle]

ok just checking

[restive carbon]

then again

[upbeat nacelle]

oh please no

[restive carbon]

I guess not_ss13 isn't posting their montage here. 💀

[pearl blaze]

Leave this fucking thread bro

/s

[wheat harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297014904317935677/1357094426568036443/sewaddlemini.gif

[restive carbon]

careful, you might get yelled at 💀

[vital cradle]

i think blueshell is o-